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Will Toad return in X3' Well, Ray Park thinks so...

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with some interesting talk from Darth Maul himself, Mr. Ray Park, who appeared in beautiful, windy Wellington, New Zealand this last weekend at Armageddon Con. Here's the tip I got about his words on a possible return to the X-MEN franchise:

Hello there Harry.

I'm living in New Zealand at the moment, and yesterday went to the Armageddon convention in Wellington. One of the panel was Maul himself, Ray Park. Top fella, he got all the geeks onstage doing lightsabre and kung fu thwacking and answered questions. Someone asked if he was up for X3 with Matthew Vaughan, and he said he was in negotiations with the producers to reprise the role of Toad, as you never really saw him die in the first movie, (although Halle Berry's excerable "Do you know what happens to a toad when it gets hit by lightning?" quip would kill most peole with auditory functions instantly).

Don't know if this is any use to you, it might be a particularly slow news day or something. If you use it call me Applenose.

Cheers mate.

So, how seriously can we take that... I'd just say to keep in mind that most actors are the last to know about what's really going on with big projects like these. If they are talking about bringing back Toad, then I just hope that Matthew Vaughn takes more advantage of Park's physical skills than Singer did in the original X-MEN film. Toad felt bulky and way too wire-fu-y in the first film and I know Park could do some great work if freed from wardrobe and wires... Well, by freed from wardrobe, I mean the layers he was wearing in X1, not that he'd be jumping around with his Toad dork flapping about. You know what I mean.

Anyway, just the fact that they're talking about bringing in all these minor villains... from Juggernaut to Toad... I wonder what Vaughn has up his sleeve. I can't wait to find out!

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  • April 18, 2005, 12:54 a.m. CST


    by El Fuego

    And this news really doesn't mean much to me. I'd love to see more minor villains, but if the script isn't gonna hold up, then what does it matter? Get me a sript review way in advance like for X2 and I might have more to say.

  • April 18, 2005, 12:55 a.m. CST

    I wonder

    by BigDogg

    maybe these villains will be holographic exercises in the Danger Room while the X-Men are training for the main villain (which will probably be Magneto again ever though not EVERY X-Men story has him as the villain as Hollywood thinks)

  • April 18, 2005, 1 a.m. CST

    by Taxi War Dancer

    While I like the character of Juggernaut in the comics, I have my doubts as to how he'll translate to the big screen. I thought Toad was pretty cool in X1 though, I'd like to see more from him if this is true.

  • April 18, 2005, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Fruity robo-squid...

    by zacdilone important part of this balanced breakfast.

  • April 18, 2005, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Man, how many characters do they plan to cram into X3?

    by FrankDrebin

    They should put the Brotherhood on hold for this episode, unless they play some part in the Phoenix Saga.

  • April 18, 2005, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Snakes-On-A-Plane Alert: FLIGHT 121 is now called PACIFIC AIR 12

    by FrankDrebin

  • April 18, 2005, 1:28 a.m. CST

    DarkHawke - Sentinels need to be a little bigger than that...

    by El Fuego

    25 feet tall... just big enough so it looks natural for them to pick up and throw cars around. Because you know you want to see cars getting thrown.

  • April 18, 2005, 1:30 a.m. CST

    toad dork?

    by jonastheangel

    suddenly i feel like i just read an article about the monster squad. no complaint, just odd word usage. tho ill that over graphic xxx reviews of how making a jug head like sandwich is like being double teamed by the olsen twins.

  • April 18, 2005, 1:41 a.m. CST

    i'm sorry

    by KneelBeforeZod

    i just don't think this movie will be any good. they should just leave it alone after x2 until singer wants to come back and finish what he started

  • AND Toad sucks.

  • April 18, 2005, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Sentinels should look like friggin Gundam Mobile Suits....

    by Monkey_King

    but in two shades of purple with some blacks and gun metal thrown in. Maybe have Shirow Masumune or Ron Cobb design them based on the comics design. That is, if they go with Sentinels at all. Take it up a notch I say.

  • April 18, 2005, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Sentinels designs...

    by turk128

    "Gundam Mobile Suits" = over designed; those big ass shoulders and skirts would only trip the mech and up the queer factor. Just steal from Shirow like 90% of the cool mechs out there and you'll have something that'll translate well onscreen.

  • April 18, 2005, 2:55 a.m. CST

    The Brood...

    by ZeroCorpse

    Yes, I know they look like xenomorphs from the ALIEN series, but they'd be fun.

  • April 18, 2005, 2:56 a.m. CST

    What happened to Iron Fist?

    by Mechakong

    Or did we dodge that disaster?

  • April 18, 2005, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Frankly, I could care less about the Sentinels...

    by googamooga

    All I know i there BETTER be more of Colossus in X3, or someone is going to PAY! (and it will probably be me, in the ticket line...)

  • April 18, 2005, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Whoa... Juggernaut isn't a major villain?

    by PianoMonkey

    I'm gonna cry "foul" on that one, Quint. I mean, I won't say he's the deepest, most complex character in the X-enemy pantheon, but come on, man! Issue #12 doesn't earn an unstoppable force some respect? He's no Apocalypse or Mr. Sinister, but hell. He's got Silver Age credentials, he's appeared countless times in each of the books, he's got a lot of backstory potential with Prof. X., and everybody loves a guy who punches really hard. It says something that he was in the comics, the cartoon, AND (perhaps most importantly of all) the Genesis video game (the first one).

  • April 18, 2005, 3:15 a.m. CST

    I just like watching Jean Gray have a mindgasm!

    by Kampbell-Kid


  • April 18, 2005, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Sentinels justified

    by Recognizer

    No matter what sort of story they build X3 around -- Days of Future Past, or Sentinels, or Dark Phoenix (minus the Shi'ar lunacy) or Genosha or even (fucking) Age of Apocalypse, you need to have some Not That Good mutants in the movie. The point of Mutant Paranoia is that there *are* some mutant who are dicks, and will fuck things up for the rest of them. (I don't mean to get too political, but in many cases, real-world racism stems from the actions of a few, projected onto the majority.) So having Toad and Juggernaut and, I dunno, Blob in the movie would help to put the main story in relief -- Legacy Virus, or Sentinel Madness, or Cable or what-have-you.

  • April 18, 2005, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Oh, yeah, and...

    by PianoMonkey

    Also let's not forget the whole Juggernaut-joining-the-x-men thing that happened a little while back. Hello redemption storyline. Oh, and he's not a mutant.

  • April 18, 2005, 3:58 a.m. CST

    "What happened to Iron Fist?"

    by Voice O. Reason

    I, too, was wondering this.

  • April 18, 2005, 3:59 a.m. CST

    What this movie needs is Cobalt Man!

    by PianoMonkey

    Come on! He had COBALT ARMOR!! Beware the power of cobalt!

  • April 18, 2005, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Big Purple Robots Please

    by Dog Of Mystery

    I just rewatched X-Men and noticed that after they destroy Magneto's doohickey at the end, there is a shot of Jean looking confused, like a great power has just manifested itself in her. Nice that Singer had the foresight to subtly set the Dark Phoenix storyline up then. Also, I'd like my great power to manifest itself in her.

  • April 18, 2005, 5:38 a.m. CST

    What happens to the X-Men 3 audience when the director defects t

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    The same thing as everything else.

  • April 18, 2005, 5:51 a.m. CST

    F*ck Toad, goddammit! Go for new villains!

    by Judge Doom

    No magneto either, maibe Piro. We want White Queen, Sentinels, Dark Phoenix... not toad.

  • April 18, 2005, 5:52 a.m. CST

    I hope they make Juggernaught a mutant, and he's still prof x's

    by The Founder

    Juggernaught as a mutant is a change i can accept onthe screen. All that Mystical ruby crap is just to much to try and cram in a movie. Please let Juggs remain prox's brother. I think it'll be interesting. Juggernaught after all did work on the Brotherhood, so no problem there.

  • April 18, 2005, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Vinnie Jones cast as Juggernaut!

    by bigjeffrey

    According to reports over here in Britain, Vinnie Jones HAS signed on to play Juggernaut. Apparently, he'll have to bulk up a lot and will be required to wear a 50lb costume/suit for the role.

  • April 18, 2005, 8:16 a.m. CST

    I know it's hip to hate Halle Berry right now...

    by John Maddening

    ...and yes, I assume that CATWOMAN sucked (no, I didn't feel the need to pay good money to see how bad it was), but let's not blame her for that "toad hit by lightning" line. You know who wrote that line? Everybody's favorite, JOSS WHEDON!

  • April 18, 2005, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Must include "The Locust"

    by cookylamoo

    Greatest X-Man villain of all time. Changes tiny bugs into rampaging monsters. OK, so he's not a mutant, neither is Juggernaut. As to why so many characters in this film? The answer in three words, Toys, Toys, Toys.

  • April 18, 2005, 8:27 a.m. CST

    How much time is Vinnie Jones going to have to bulk up??? This

    by Barry Egan

  • April 18, 2005, 8:43 a.m. CST

    And if the sentinels are in the movie they must be 50 + foot tal

    by Judge Doom

    Come on DarkHawke, 10-12 feet? I mean, Jackson is turning King Kong into a Midget, but they can

  • April 18, 2005, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Maybe Toad will show up just long enought to get vaporized by a

    by rev_skarekroe

    But whatever. This story reminds me of how Tom Arnold is always saying they're going to make "True Lies 2".

  • April 18, 2005, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Why Toad? Why not Sabertooth?

    by andrew coleman

    I felt kind of ripped off how he was taken out in X1 they should at least bring his ass back into the mix. Also they should have kind of a final showdown and take Magneto and his gang out for good and make room for Mr. Sinister or something

  • April 18, 2005, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Iron Fist DOA?

    by Karl Childers

  • April 18, 2005, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Please allow the whole Phoenix storyline to develop...

    by Wungolioth

    I just don't want them blowing the whole Phoenix load on one movie, let Jean be Phoenix for at least a movie or two before unleashing Dark Phoenix. And as far as Halle Berry bashing goes 433, she deserves it, she was bashing her role in X1 in the press before it even came out, and the infamous Toad line was a misread by her because of her completely wooden performance.

  • April 18, 2005, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Toad is a lame bad guy.

    by jimmy_009

    They would be stupid to bring him back. I like Ray Park though, so give him another role.

  • April 18, 2005, 10:32 a.m. CST


    by GOB

    They're considering bringing him back? Was their some outburst of fans pleading for his return that I missed?

  • April 18, 2005, 10:37 a.m. CST

    After rewatching X2 last night...

    by the Grobe

    1. Halle Berry is not as bad in X2 as I thought, definitely not as bad as she was in X1. But her character is written poorly and needs MORE of that queen bitch attitude (she was originally worshipped as a goddess, wasn't she?), not less. 2. The setup for the Sentinels is pretty clear. Even if they did expose Striker's crimes to the president, there is more than enough mutant fear to make this a feasible storyline.

  • April 18, 2005, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Doesn't this qualify...

    by Childe Roland another "scoop" in the tradition of "I ran into Christian Bale the other day..." and, if so, shouldn't we be ridiculing it more? I don't know. I'll have to call Fuck You and ask him.

  • April 18, 2005, 10:45 a.m. CST

    why not instead go with what works.

    by dr.bulber

    it wasnt toad or sabertooth because they werent in xmen 2.

  • April 18, 2005, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Missing the point

    by New in NY

    I'm willing to say I'm wrong, but I think most of the posters here are missing the point about "X3." The movie won't succeed or fail based on whether they work in a particular character or storyline - they have to create a believable universe and then write intelligent characters to interact in that universe. I'd say they could easily bring back Toad (the action was never really that realistic anyways), but I'd like to see HUGE batches of mutants going nuts ... because THAT'S THE KIND OF UNIVERSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT! "X3" will definitely need a tight core of main characters and (please God) ONE main storyline to move those characters forward, but in the background, for this universe to work, you're going to need hundreds of mutants - NOT NECESSARILY "GOOD" OR "BAD" - but MUTANTS scaring the crap out of the public ... Here's my take: X1 - mutants introduced, public wary but not sure what to do ... X2 - mutant mayham seen for the first time (nearly every human dies? that'll freak people out) ... X3 - IT'S WAR! Bring in whatever character you want; I want to see mutants and humans throw down!

  • April 18, 2005, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Re: Toad/Lightning line

    by kadath

    If that line had been delivered *as written*, it would have gotten a laugh. In the script, Storm asks, "Do you know what happens to a toad that gets hit by lightning?", then fries Toad. As she's walking away, she says off-handedly, "Pretty much the same thing as everything else." If it had been handled like the funny little quip it was, it would've been fine. But to make it into a frigging line from Hamlet totally ruined it.

  • April 18, 2005, 12:20 p.m. CST

    gundam sentinels

    by smylexx

    Forget Gundam Sentinels, we NEED GUNGAN sentinels!! Big FLoppy eared Carribean speaking CGI Jar-Jars would be scary as hell! I'd see this film TWICE if they do that! And THAT'S a promise!!

  • April 18, 2005, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Cor Blimey Guv

    by Trevor Goodchild

    The way things are going, I'm surprised that Dexter Fletcher isn't up for the role of Toad (Mortimer Toynbee,great name). Maybe Ray Winstone as Sabretooth, Bob Hoskins could be Magneto. Nick Moran as Cyclops and Mike Reid as Wolverine. As for the women in the film, well just some FHM manequins cause it's all about blokes ain't it Vaugny

  • April 18, 2005, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Bring Back Maul

    by JeeBus

    Sounds like X3 is going to be more action-based than the previous x-movies. In which case, bring toad back.

  • April 18, 2005, 1:54 p.m. CST

    The toad/lightning line is lame.

    by rev_skarekroe

    It doesn't matter how you say it.

  • April 18, 2005, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Toad Line

    by JeeBus

    The Toad line was, at the very least, unexpected because it was just so blatantly obvious that it wasn't worth even saying. I would've preferred if Storm just zapped his froggy ass and not said a damn thing!

  • April 18, 2005, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Toad needs a prehensile...

    by FranklinDaTurtle

    ... penis. With that tongue, he'd be a sensational porn star.

  • April 18, 2005, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Huge Giant tentacles of stell with A.I. are trully reality

    by Judge Doom

    Next thing they choose some skinny brit to play Juggernaut or something!;)

  • April 18, 2005, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by Darth Melkor

    I saw Ray Park at DragonCon last year and he said he thought he was coming back for X3. Super nice guy by the way.

  • April 18, 2005, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Sentinels justified, explanation of racism not.

    by samsquanch

    Funny, I ususally shake my head at the ideas popping out of this forum, but I totally agreed with Recognizer's take on what the film should be like, up till he threw an underhanded pitch in about racism being the fault of the victims. It doesn't sound like you're a cross-burning psycho or anything, but I'd like to point out that this sentiment is a product of propaganda. There is no good reason for racism, there's just hate, a natural, basic human emotion that will rear it's ugly head every chance it gets. Racism exists because we're hairless apes, not because black people really are thieves or Mexicans really are lazy or any of that other nonsense. perpetuating these ideas does nothing more than apologize for the real lazy morons out there, the ones who seek to justify their primitive beliefs with half-baked theories, pseudo-science, and a complicit media. Personally, I enjoy the race/class allegory of mutants in the X-Men comics, I think it's a clever and sophisticated method for teaching the values of tolerance and inclusion to kids, who need it most. I was raised to be racist, homophobic, fearful of the "other", and the X-Men comics were one of many resources of progressive thought that came from outside my small, isolated backwater. I don't mean to attack you, recognizer, just thought your point needed to be addressed.

  • April 18, 2005, 4:21 p.m. CST

    How about Nimrod coming back from the future to hunt down the mu

    by Darksider

    Nimrod is small and can shapechange like the T-1000, but more badass. There could be a Terminator-esqe scene in the future with the large Sentinels kicking ass like in Days of Future Past. That would make so much money.

  • April 18, 2005, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Darksider, you beat me to the punch - Nimrod would be perfect!

    by ComputerGuy68

    And takes care of the 100 foot Sentinel problem..

  • April 19, 2005, 5:49 p.m. CST

    worst things about x-men films

    by Dr Spaulding

    toad sabretooth rogue coulda been better, so get em tae fuck!