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24 4.17 !!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
President’s plane go boom!
Which of course explains why …
Dennis Haysbert rejoins the cast in two weeks.
Less publicized, by the way, is the fact that James Badge Dale returns the week after President Palmer to reprise the role of Kim Bauer’s pork-buddy Chase.
9 p.m. Monday. Fox.
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Why?
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...a bionic hand!
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Let's hope that this episode can make sense. A couple of campers/hikers gets a hold of the thing and Jack tells them to run for it. Hmmmm... I guess 24 does it all the time, I mean 'redshirt' background characters get to do the work but then get killed, right? Let's hope that this episode can bring the pain for the Jack Bauer Power Hour. Oh and hulkdog, whoever you are, you should stop pretending to act like Z0D and ___KNEEL___ before Z0D.
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Do you have a lisp, saareman?
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That's not part of the show? I thought Palmer was just having the worst ex-Prez career ever, homeless and wandering the street, talking to the air about paranoid conspiracies of car insurance fraud. I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to see who's the first to drive up next to him and say, "are you all right, Mr. President? You're not well, please come with me. I'll help you." Somebody from CTU, or one of Marwan's people. Thank god it's only going to drag out for two more weeks.
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I'm not sure, but is it possible that they guys who find the "Football" are Arab-American or American Muslim who save the day, defeat the terrorists and teach us all, once again, that they really are our friends and honest hard-working Americans? 'Cause I can never learn that lesson too many times. Also, I hope they are prepared in case they run into Johnny Drama and his Mountain Lions.
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Keeler was the text-book red shirt.. He would show up a couple of times to take credit for Jack saving the world, and then his son shows up 10 minutes before the plane blows up to spend some "quality time" and remember about his dead wife? I never heard anything about a 'football' tho.. what that about? is it like the amnesia thing?
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Apr 11, 2005 9:12:33 PM CDT
am i crazy or is the female hiker the same actress who is playin
by toe jam
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MY Local FOX Channel went
out when Jack was heading to
to chopper....I missed the whole
hour almost...anyone known where
to download it, or if anyone lost
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though now that you mention it, how come f/x doesn't air rebroadcasts of "24" anymore? that always seemed like a good idea but i think they only did it for the first two seasons.
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i thought he looked like ronald reagan when they showed him briefly last week, but now he looks amazingly like nixon. he even gave the "no. 1" sign nixon was so fond of as he approached the podium. does that mean he's evil?
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Is it just me or does Novick seem WAY more sleazy now that he's back?
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Apr 11, 2005 10:17:18 PM CDT
Did anyone try calling the NON-555 cell phone number Jack gave J
by boynamedsue
Also, why is David Palmer's senior advisor from seasons 1 and 2, a Democrat, a top dog in the (Republican) Keeler administrations--you know......the one with the glasses.......or is it just a case of two actors looking alike?
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It's Mike Novak. Remember, Palmer fired him. He's a power whore and will work for anyone who gives him that. Besides, advisors and the such can work for more than one party. It does happen.
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Did anyone else hear the Zod music from Superman II in the scene where the Vice President is deciding to get sworn in?
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Sorry........I missed the first three seasons of 24 because I was in college at the time, and am now watching the DVD's. So far, I'm about 1/4 of the way into Season 2. But still......one of Bill Clinton's senior advisors, David Gergan, held a similar capacity in the Reagon White House, but he was a MODERATE. In season 1, Novak struck me as a political ideologue who would go out of his way to defeat the Republicans. Can you imagine Pat Buchanan or G. Gordon Liddy working in the Clinton administrations???
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Apr 11, 2005 10:30:07 PM CDT
i don't think they've ever identified which party palmer belongs
by toe jam
of course, common sense would tell you his blood runs blue ... but i have read that the show's creator is a staunch republican, so you never know.
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Good God. Everytime I think we've hit rock bottom. A camper emerges from his tent because he 'thought he heard an explosion'. Whoa! There's part of a downed plain! Perhaps he was listening to his iPod and didn't hear the bulkhead plummeting to the desert floor. But wait, it gets better. Coming upon a single black briefcase he quickly deduces that this is the key to America's nuclear launching capabilities! What else could it be?!? The White House doesn't put their insignia on anything else, right?? But lets add some realism and not have him remember, its just something 'with a funny name'. So bloody awful.... Its unfortunate that the rest of the episode was so damn entertaining and I had to watch. Damn you 24!! Can't wait for Fury next season to hopefully pick up the slack on the writing end of things.
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Two Jack Bauer "Dammit!" episodes in a row! That brings us up to 11 for season 4. Pretty lame with the "we're trying to make a baby" dialogue in an attempt to make us emphasize with this week's "Red Shirt" characters. Some great Bauer strategizing with the bullets in the flaming can bit. Novik(sp?) looks every bit as shifty-eyes as always (although that actor *always* looks shifty-eyed). Kind of a gyp that they didn't off POTUS. I mean, he's out of commision for the remainder of the season anyways, nobody liked him, so why not go whole-hog? Oh well, at least getting Palmer back will be worth it. Unnngh-PLOP, "Dammit!", Unnngh-PLOP, "Dammit...!"
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that whore had a brutal rough look I thought, the camper wife looks nicer, named claudette mink?
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It was stated late in season 1 that Palmer was seeking the nomination for the Democratic presidential nomination.
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1) Why didn't Jack tell the campers to destroy the code book?
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Thank god it wasn't just me hearing things again!
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There are some things I really get anoyed at nowadays since I am military minded. One, stupid people. Two, stupid people who come up on the wreckage of an aircraft. Three, stupid people who come upon a downed aircraft which is AF1 and they think it's not that serious at all to not run for the hills when they see vehicles coming after them while speaking to Jack. When they open the thing they don't try and destroy it. First of all I would find some flamable shit and burn the plastic binder and smash the control board. But then this wife of the dude thinks her husband is more important than the keys to the whole nuclear arsenal of the United States getting into the hands of terrorists. She want's to make babies. I may be overanalyzing this stuff, but come on. Otherwise a decent action packed episode with no movement storywise except Marwan has more nuclear toys to play with. *sigh* ___KNEEL___
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how does Palmer get involved? What if the VP, the speaker of the house, and the chief of staff are all wiped out? Is the ex-prez next in line?
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Okay, most here know, and you could figure it out from context even if you'd never heard of it, but in case Punto wasn't kidding, the "football" is what the Secret Service has nicknamed the briefcase containing the nuclear launch codes, carried by an agent who shadows the President 24/7. In January of 2009, watch the next inauguration. There will be a person holding a briefcase, standing on the podium near the former President, who, upon utterance of the words "so help me God" will very quietly take a few steps away from the former President and toward the new Commander In Chief. I saw that happen in 1980 and have watched or it ever since. That moment is the REAL transfer of power.
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The last I saw of Behrooz (sp?), they were cutting the transmitter out of his head. I'm sure it wasn't buried far enough to really hurt him, so where is he?
And do the Cabinet have to vote on the 25th Amendment? Guess I wasn't paying attention that day in American Government. I thought it was a matter of, "the President is out, take over Mr. VP" -
you're an idiot, best season to date, only one thats always been entertaining and believable... shut your stupid idiot face and get off my plane.
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Pardon me, but isn't this guy wanted for CONSPIRACY FOR MANSLAUGHTER or something? He locked that one chick in the room to prevent her from informing the President on a matter of national security. Sent some armed guard to take her down, she falls down the stairway and.... DIES (?) We never found out, but I know at least 5 laws were broken here. What is this guy still doing whispering in the President's ear?
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I'm glad everything is within 5 minutes of CTU, except the desert crash site which conveniently enough is next to Marwan's Desert Lair(TM). You'd think that a terrorist like Captain Anderson and Aziz would locate himself a bit further from federal agency dedicated to stopping terrorism. However since it took Jack about 5 minutes to get from Anderson's house to CTU he must live next door, probably next to Chloe.
And where the hell is Heller? Jack calls Audrey to find out specifics about the football but not the Secretary of Defense? And Jack's redshirt partner this week barely lasted 5 seconds, did he even die on screen? The plane crash that the camper "thought he heard something" was funny as hell. "24" is so far fetched at this point it's science fiction. If it wasn't so sadistic it would be a comedy. Yet still I love it. Dammit. -
it would have worked better if they flashed back a few minutes when they could have gotten all the clunky character exposition before the pieces fell from the sky. But it would have totally thrown off the whole format of the show. FOrgivable offense, I think. As for the "everything is within five minutes of each other complaint", my question is WHY THE HELL ARE YOU WHINING ABOUT THAT NOW? A little late in the game for that, ain't it? It's just one of the things you have to accept in the show. I got over that in the first season. Frankly, I think this is the best season of 24 thus far. NO cougars or amnesia or Adventures in babysitting, just pure, undistilled Jack Bauer going up against one of the most resillient, unstoppable villains this side of the Terminator. WHat have you got to bitch about?
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The damn plan crashes and behold!!! The President is alive. Pussies should've just had him DOA. God damn it, just when you think the show would have some balls they pull back. ugh!!!!
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:) Just sayin. But actually, I think it's probably MORE realistic that Air Force One can't be taken down that easily with 100% casualties from a single missile. As for Palmer's political party, the entire show they were careful to just call it "the day of the Presidential primary" except for ONE episode, when Sherry mentions something about "the Republicans" being the opponents. If it wasn't for that one mention, it nicely would have existed in politics-free land.
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Underwater in a straightjacket is for teh sux0rz. Last week Mummy evaded a tactical assault team by... get this... going upstairs. This week the escape wizard seems (* see below) to give the slip by the uber-complex technique - "you go that way, I'll go this way," in the desert no less. And again with "going in" undermanned and outgunned. "OMG, the most important briefcase on the planet is unsecured in the middle of the Mojave. We NEED to secure it. The safety of the citizens of this country depends on our ability to find it and lock down our nations nuclear stockpile. Let's send in a couple agents in 1 helo..." Fuhchrissakes we sent a SWAT team in to reclaim a 5-year old Cuban boy. *Maybe, hopefully for the sake of common sense, the helo will stop him. He'll be arrested, but not before making an "important" phone call.
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***SPOILERS ***
I was thinking this season was gonna suck. Then they proved me wrong, and I was sucked in and thought this season was gonna be the best yet. Then the last couple of episodes have made me concerned... I'm losing my faith in where they are going with the storyline. Not to mention... tonight's episode was one of the WORST that I can think of. How in the hell do 4 terrorists with only a PDA be able to track down two hitch hikers, armed with a cell phone? And yet... CTU has to have their entire branch with millions of CPU's to try and track cars and trucks and then lose them all the time? Then... just when I thought it couldn't get any worse... Jack Bauer shows up in one helicopter, and with only one back up guy. Yet we were told 30min earlier that he was being prepped with a full on team. This was just about as stupid if not more... than last weeks when ONE FBI AGENT (which never happens), walks into an unsecure house, and is shot. Only to have Jack Bauer walk into the same house with guess what??? Only one back up guy - who gets killed by the way. So it just goes to show you - if you're out on the field with Jack alone... you might as well kiss your family good-bye. Sorry... I really like 24 - but the last few episodes were just BAD. -
Apr 12, 2005 5:09:45 AM CDT
A) Dammit count is at 10 so far B) "5 minutes away" has been a s
by tall_boy
Thank you, come again.
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Apr 12, 2005 7:04:27 AM CDT
"24" ceased being realistic sometime toward the end of the secon
by jim jam bongs
I think the producers know it too but no longer care much about maintaining a sense of realism when it comes to time and space. I think they see what they're producing is akin to a modern-day movie serial. It's about maintaining the momentum first, with logic and realism taking a backseat, and driving each episode toward a cliffhanger.
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You KNOW there's gotta be one in there and that if ever there was a time to use it, now was that time. No way they'd have let the President just sit and wait to be blown up. Of course then he'd be leaving his son to die, and that would be yet another father not doing right by his son this season...but still, there should have been an escape pod.
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Just in that Harrison Ford movie. There wouldn't be room for one and there is no need for one. But 24 hasn't been too keen on logic, so I don't see why the writers didn't drop in a escape pod here.
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Have one of them blow the crap out of any rolling stock within 10 miles of the crash site, fachrissakes.
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Apr 12, 2005 10:02:46 AM CDT
Why was that abandoned station lighted from top to bottom??????
by mister man
Yes, I heard that "music" also, but didn't know what the hell it was. A crashing plane sounds like a bomb going off, not a "thump" waking up campers....especially within 100 yards.
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Apr 12, 2005 10:03:06 AM CDT
Sometimes, you just have to be willing to SUSPEND YOUR DISBELIEF
by boynamedsue
Believe me, I used to get all wound up about logic flaws in a lot of movies and TV shows, until I got older and realized..........IT'S JUST ENTERTAINMENT. As long as there are no plot holes, I really don't care anymore.
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u know how big this plane is? one indirect missile hit can't destroy it. its a tv show. suspend some disbelief for a day
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Hasn't it been cool this season how Jack waits for the bad guy to look at him before shooting him in the face? Haha. Its great stuff. 24 rules!
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...that was hilarious.
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Is what I've done for 4 Seasons now, and have enjoyed "most" of the show. It's obvious to continue this seasons "countdown to world domination" the baddie had to get his hands on the Football (or whatever was in it). Worse than almost any other plot device in any of the seasons, was the fact that AIR FORCE ONE went down... not too far away from this abandoned station... and Jack Bauer and one back up guy are all they have to go after the Football? We were shown a team investigating AIR FORCE ONE within minutes, which is only 5 min away from the station, but it takes Bauer 30-40min to get there, and yet the baddies can track down these pedestrian civilians can so easily sniff out these people within the exact alotted time they need to get out. I wouldn't have such a hard time with it... if it wasn't such a major plot device to keep the story moving forward. Had there been more baddies, and more support with Jack... it would seem a little more plausable. The only thing I can remotely think of... is if Jack was set up by the SOD. But would Jack really be that naive to only go in with one guy when something as important as the Football is at stake?
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The explosion they heard was the attack in the air. Audrey tells Jack that the football was lost from the air long before the plane went down. Do you people even watch the show?
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The ex-President is not in the line-up of succession for President. They're put out to pasture and that's it. The whole damned line of succession could be killed and an ex-President STILL wouldn't be up to bat.
Also, the hikers didn't hear or visit the crash of AF1. They just came upon a piece of AF1 that fell out of the sky. So it wouldn't have sounded like a "bomb" going off, just a big thud.
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but then I wondered what would happen if they did? The whole nuclear arsenal would be in the hands of no one until they could reprogram them with new codes. In other words, it would be useless. How's this for a scenario: Jack destroys the playbook, rendering the entire US arsenal useless. Without the ability to strike back if attacked, another nation launches a first-strike nuclear attack on the US, which was the plan all along.
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writing just gets worse and worse. I was just reading the web writeups for a while there, it's pretty much sufficient so you don't have to listen to the bad acting and the trite dialogue.
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as they said on the episode, it would only take about an hour to reprogram the codes. so your idea is actually a perfectly good one, except in the world of 24 where they need more PLOT TWISTS.
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No AF1 does not have a pod you morons. The President really isn't that important. Ultimately Congress has to authorize war and the launching of nuclear weapons. And any President who says tough luck to the rest of the people on the plane and gets on a pod to save his own life would be fucked politcally if he survived anyway. The captain goes down with the ship. Oh and way to answer that phone this week Secretary Stiles. Kill Edgar!
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Apr 12, 2005 2:24:13 PM CDT
Nope, Big Jim (Slade?), your idea doesn't work logically (but th
by diskatopia
If the US arsenal is useless without the "football", then the US has been defenseless on the show since Air Force One was shot down-- plenty of time for a first strike. In your scenario, the Mummy would just have call his backers when he saw on his tracker that that the "football" was not moving. The real reason that jack doesn't have the campers destroy, or at least disperse, the pages from the codebook is because the writers had already clearly decided that the Mummy was going to swipe one section ....... To others praising this season as the best-- yes, we know, you love the show blindly, no matter how contrived and Bond-ish it gets (or maybe you love it moreso because of that), but if you can't yet see how much more Deus Ex Machina the writing has become this year, well, you probably never will. That stated, I do expect that things will wrap up this season with much tighter writing.
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I love this show and try my best just to go with the flow....
BUT!!!!
Shouldn't they have blowed up/disabled the jeeps so the fucktards couldn't drive away???
Why the hell would you send one heli with 2 people to bring back probably the most important suitcase in history.
For once I found myself yelling at the tv wondering how the hell they could be that stupid.
Straw that broke the camels back I guess.
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Breifcase... suitcase, same difference.
I hate this site and I hate all of you.
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Apr 12, 2005 3:39:33 PM CDT
Palmer has more knowledge about the "football" than say.........
by boynamedsue
So that may account for his appearance.
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I think the president will die, leaving the VP free to select a new VP which will be Palmer.
There's no excuse for not disabling the Jeeps prior to going in. It wouldn't have taken much. There's also no excuse for only focusing on one jeep when they tried to escape. Jack would/should have known that they might try to fake him out. The copter should have disabled both Jeeps. And if the mummy gets away, that must be the fastest jeep in history. -
What happens when Marwan gets the "football"? Nothing. First off, when AF1 crashes, the VP becomes P right away -- and he has his own football. But let's assume that everyone involved is an idiot, and they keep the old football active. The President always carries a credit-card sized list of code sequences to authorize the use of the football -- and he is the *only* person who knows which of the codes on the card is the correct one to use. End result -- Marwan now has a nice briefcase with attached chain & handcuffs... stupid, stupid, stupid writers.
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Jack, you
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Apr 12, 2005 5:18:25 PM CDT
Complaining about contrived plot twists on 24 is like complainin
by tall_boy
Any and all complaints can be directed to that brick wall over there. It might by sympathetic to your objections. Maybe.
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Why oh why did they have that "person concerned for another person gives baddies what they want in exchange for no-kill promise that will shortly be broken" moment? I can suspend disbelief with this show but that was a major movie cliche.. Still 24 roxxx.
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It sounded like he said Jack? But why would Jack call from out on the field. And how does he know Mike so well to call him up with a "Hey Mike, it's Jack"?
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While I agree that there are some obvious things that any number of characters, Jack and Marwan included, could have done to achieve the victory they are seeking, and I also agree that the writers have kept them from doing so to keep the story going, I have not felt like it was too contrived. When in tense situations, even people like Jack don't always think clearly or see the obvious out before their noses. The adrenaline, the noise, the confusion and fear can all quickly lead to stupidity. So there.
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From last week's thread: "...wait until next week. They'll suddenly reveal that the plan still managed to land despite losing the tail section, or that the president and his son ejected in some "Escape from New York" pod and landed safely in the desert. If you re-watch this weeks episode you'll not they don't confirm it actually went down, just that "pieces of it are falling into the desert". Either part of the plane survived and landed, or the president somehow ejected. Wait for it, I'm telling you." I'm not saying this makes me some kind of genius, it was in response to a poster saying this season was actually good. Here's the stupidity from this week: 1)-Jack being a 10 minute helicopter ride away from the middle of the f'ing desert in Nevada (already mentioned above). 2)-The tracking device on the most important classified security item in the United States being disabled with a small rock and a compass 3)-After shooting up Jeep #1 and realizing it was the wrong one, the fact that the helicopter could not catch Marwan's jeep (it had a whole 30 seconds to drive away at that point) 4)-More proof that anytime you see Jack and ANY unnamed character run into a firefight, that everyone but Jack will die (see the part where Jack approaches the power station with the other 'unnamed" CTU agent). 5)- How about burying the book part of the football in the desert, or better yet - burning it? whatever? No, keeping it with the red shirts is best. 6)-Why does Jack sometimes call Audrey directly to check on her and tell her he loves her, and other times he calls Edgar just to say "Put me through to Audrey". Check this last episode for this, sloppy screenwriting. Please oh please make the writing better next year. You can make a taught, engaging thriller without all of the gunplay, explosions and spaghetti plotlines.
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I agree the last couple of episodes have been subpar compared to the rest of the season but overall this is my favorite season today. Putting the nuclear football in the script bothered me. From what I understand, if the President is compromised in any way, the nuclear codes are cancelled and a pipin' hot new football comes out of the oven. And its never locked in some case in baggage, it's handcuffed to a military officer at all times who is always very near the President. Besides that Marwan is a cool badguy even if he does get away without breaking a sweat or getting dirt on his Bruno Vaglis. Next week's episode looks like it may be back to form.
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See here:
http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Trans/Archive2005/050411c.html
From brett: Will Kim be back on? What about Dennis Haysbert?
Haysbert, definitely. Kim, definitely. While the current prez was busy getting blown up on Monday night's, I was at The Music Box Theater enjoying an evening of mind control with "illusionist" Keith Barry. I was hoping "Gob" Bluth would make an appearance, but instead I ran into Elisha Cuthbert (love her, hated that character), who was picked out of the audience as a random participant in the show. Asked about the chances of Kim coming back, she said, "There's been talk. There's been talk. It's a possibility. That's all I can say!" But her face said it all--it was as if she swallowed a Big Bird-size canary. -
A Stealth fighter doesn't have air to air missle capablity. It is primarily for bombing targets. Not to mention that when it loads a missle, it is no longer cloaked.
"The name "Stealth Fighter" does not justify the use of this aircraft as it does not have the capability to fight air to air combat and has no defenses as chaff, flare, dispensers,jammers etc, As it relies completely on its stealth capability and the night to avoiid air defenses and enemy fighters."
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Because the majority of the viewing public isn't a bunch of crazy, military-obsessed weirdos!
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terrorists blow up a train, not the REAL plan. Terrorists kidnap sec of def, not the REAL plan, terrorists try to melt down nuclear reactors, not the REAL plan, Terrorists blow up AF1 and try to kill the Pres, not the REAL plan. Terrorists get "The Football" and aparently steal a warhead. Still 7 episodes to go, so I think they still have more up their sleeves. God, I would have loved to have been sitting in at the terrorist planning session. For them to pull this off, makes 9-11 Intelligence failures pale in comparison. Is Jack the only competent antiterrorist person in the entire government? Must be.
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...Why did he pump bullets into the male camper looking for the case with the console in it? Or am I missing something?
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What is better on TV isn't really the point. Most of us who are vocal about not liking this seasons (we aren't 24 haters, we're 24 Season 4 haters) are just pissed off because we wanted better writing this season than this bunkum. I can't for the life of me understand how you think this is the best season yet. In terms of what is better (for me, as it is really a matter of personal opinion, I think that the following shows are far better that 24 Season 4: Lost, House, CSI: Las Vegas (yes it is getting repetitive, but I still like it...and like it better than this year's 24), The Sopranos. Here's another great show (only for us Canadians): Holmes on Homes (8pm Thursdays, on HGTV). If the question is, "What is better on TV this season that plays in the same timeslot as 24", then I would say nothing. I get moderate enjoyment out of watching this season, enough so that I'll tune it in if I'm home. Other seasons would have me re-arranging my schedule just to watch, which I'm simply not driven to do this year.
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Apr 13, 2005 5:25:44 PM CDT
Grando, I did not think of that. But I think he wanted the whol
by big jim
but when he saw Jack was catching up he took some pages and left the rest with the other guy so if one of them got away they could still do some damage. But I think his initial plan was to get the book and the board. Kind of like the nuclear plants: they are happy one melted down but they would have preferred if all had.
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Why in the hell didn't the president and everyone else sit down and strap themselves in if they thought there might be some trouble? You don't go walking around on a plane when you KNOW you may have to do some fancy flying.
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I'm not only military-minded, I'm IN the damn Military. US Army to be exact. I see more cool shit that any of you civilians would see in your entire lives. For example, one day I visited a top secret bunker in South Korea when I was there. I saw the main war room and other shit that you might see examples of in shows and movies. So, I'm talking from experience that Stealth fighters do NOT have air to air capability. Having only two agents and a chopper try and recover the football is ludicrous. And then only to go after the one jeep and let the other one get away? Come on. Better story telling, ie WRITING, is needed for this stuff to be exciting as those episodes in early seasons. They are trying too hard this season to grab our attention. Oh well. I do still enjoy the show. ___KNEEL___
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Did anyone besides me think it was the coolest thing in the history of civilization when the preview for next week's episode showed JB threatening to blow someone's brains all over the windshield? JB=GOD.
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