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Variety Sources: CARNIVALE
I am – Hercules!!
It looks like we're not going to find out what dustbowl dweller Ben Hawkins' connection is to a future nuclear holocaust after all!
Thursday morning’s Variety reports that HBO has already picked up “Deadwood” for a third season, but the same piece has this:
Sunday's season finale for "Carnivale" delivered an above-average 2.4 million viewers, but insiders insist the show is not likely to return.
An HBO spokeswoman said a decision has not yet been reached. "Carnivale" creator-exec producer Daniel Knauf, however, has already begun developing a comedy series project for rival pay cablercabler Showtime.
Read all of Denise Martin’s Variety story here.
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I'm done with HBO...hello dish network, I would like to cancel my subscription to HBO. It's not TV...it's utter crap.
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...but I wanted more of this show...how many years has it ran?
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...OZ again...starting with the first one and wait for season 5 to come out...
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Carnivale or Doctor Who? I think both items are bad news. I liked both shows
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My understanding is they have till June to make a decision. If they look at the ratings and the dvd sales, that should convince them a bit better.....hopefully.....that is.....ah shit!!!!!!!!
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Neither the Carnivale or Doctor Who news is good news, but neither is an April Fool. At least the Doctor Who news isn't as terminal as Carnivale's.
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This would really suck if they dont pick this great series up for a 3rd season..we need to know what happens next for chri sakes..
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You may be first but your still a moron , this show rulez and uhh you don't..
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Damn. :(
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I do agree, most of the ladies on carnivale are really ugly. They are all over weight, and look like they are very old. Wouldnt be surpised if it is cancelled, atleast HBO is come out with Rome. Its notlike Showtime, which canceled Dead Like Me to put on more "Queer" Shows.
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Geez, is HBO going to be as bad as the networks? How do you introduce a story to over 2 million of your subscribers, get the totally involved, and not pay off with a finish.
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This sucks balls. This past season Carnivale became my all-time favorite HBO show. It figures though. None of these idiots ever know what they got till it's gone. First there was Twin Peaks. Then it was American Gothic. The animated The Tick. Farscape. Andy Richter Controls the Universe. Then Family Guy. Now it's Carnivale. At least those morons at Fox finally wised up and are bringing Family Guy back. But I tell you, I haven't been this jazzed to see a third season of a show since Twin Peaks went off the air back in the early nineties. Of course, just like now, I knew Twin Peaks wasn't coming back. I like The Sopranos, I like Entourage, and I like Deadwood. This season, Carnivale surpassed them all. It's a crying shame if they don't bring it back. It's a crying shame.
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... the only shows HBO has cancelled so far are K Street and... damn what else? Mind of the Married Mand? Probably Unscripted and Family Bonds aren't coming back- but who's missing 'em? However- if it really doesn't return- I might blame Daniel Knauf who's been jumping the gun and cavorting with the likes of Showtime trying to sell some shitty comedy way before the word is out on Carnivale. Nice going ace. Conflict of interest anyone? If it wasn't for that- the last four episodes of Carnivale- on the heels of Deadwood have been averaging like two million moes eyes a' melting- surely enough to keep it on board now that Sopranoes and Six Feet are on their way out- They renewed the Wire for Season 4- which has a GARGANTUAN cast- popular crime writers writing the show and averaging like 800,000 viewers last season... PLUS Carnivale gets HBO more chatroom/discussion board talk than ANY show they put out there- so AGAIN- if this show's gone- it's your fault Knauf- Showtime, comedy, damaging decisions- WTF are you THINKING??? Shit on your Showtime comedy...
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Mar 31, 2005 9:18:28 AM CST
It's pretty obvious what Hawkins's connection to the nuclear hol
by monkey butler
He's not supposed to stop it, just survive it. With Claire Danes.
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and no firm decision has been made. this would be really weak by HBO. to give 2 seasons and not finish the story? i can't see them dropping the ball like this
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You need both hands and feet to count the number of shows Showtime has popped on and off their schedule. That channel knows NOTHING about nurturing good shows. Going to California. Leap Years. Hoop Life. Odyssey 5. Total Recall 2070. Out of Order. Dead Like Me. They even cancelled Freshman Diaries before it ever aired. What a piss-poor excuse for a network. Swingen! Cocksucker!
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These post are all very elequent. But instead of the easy and futile approach of just bitching on a talk back thread, why not write HBO and let them know how much this series, how the continuation of the story means to us.
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...if accurate. I just started watching the DVDs (on a recommendation from a friends) and was quickly hooked. Not sure where things went or were headed in season two yet, but if the story's being left unfinished, what's the point? I tried Deadwood, but really it just felt like Cowboy Cuss Time to me. Kind of boring and unimaginative. Guess there's no accounting for tastes.
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and loved it immediately. C'mon, this show is great - so smart, original, etc. Better than Deadwood, which gets too caught up in obtuse dialogue...and I friggin love Deadwood. The story must continue! 4 more years of Carnivale...PLEASE!
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and at the same time Deadwood became completely incomprehencible. I have no idea what going on with this land grab/whorehouse plot and it seems like the characters have stopped speaking any recognisable form of english. The only words I can make out are "fucking" and "cocksucker."
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Love this show, one of my favorites. Guess i wont need HBO now.
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I was very disappointed at the end with Sophie becoming evil. After witnessing the rape of your mother by this creepy reverand you are staying with you decide to join him....BS
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HBO, you guys have always been smart enough to see their successful shows through to completion. Your fans want a 3rd and final season. You are NOT going to find another show that draws as many viewers as Carnivale - and you are going to lose more than half of your 2million viewers instantly. We need ONE MORE SEASON to wrap it up. After that we'll be happy and move on to your next great show. DO NOT START CANCELLING GREAT SHOWS BEFORE THEY ARE FINISHED. This is the practice of cheap free television networks like USA, UPN, and NBC... NOT HBO. Don't fuck up. Give us the final season.
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Because you know -- the twist coming on Monday's episode is supposedly so fucking big that Fox is airing the episode THREE TIMES next week.
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http://boards.hbo.com/thread.jspa?threadID=300001255&tstart=0&start=-1
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Hey man, Carnivale was always comprehensible. You just had to work for it, which is what I loved about it. I agree with you about Deadwood, though - no one is speaking english anymore. However, I've found the episode synopses that HBO posts really help clear things up. Check it out at HBO.com. And don't forget to give some traffic to the Carnivale website, too!
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Don't let Carnivale be the first program you shut down before it finished its story. Unless there is any mind of a married man fans out there? didn't think so. I just sent an e-mail through HBO's website begging them to renew it, doubt that will help but I would still encourage everyone to do the same. Come on HBO I want to see how it ends.
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Mar 31, 2005 12:49:55 PM CST
go and give the Carnivale website at HBO some traffic
by miserableraingod
Trust me, they're tracking how many people go to the site. C'mon, people, everything helps. Even order episodes On Demand, and then leave the room (or watch them again).
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Whedon what was the e-mail address you sent it to?
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I just sent it through the HBO website...
http://www.hbo.com/apps/submitinfo/contactus/submit.do?title=Carnivale%20&questiontype=HBOcarnivale -
Mar 31, 2005 1:21:38 PM CST
That's what you get when you jerk viewers around and don't expla
by russman
The mystery of the show was very entertaining but in the end nothing was explained, there are more questions than answers and it's all a frustrating mess. Feh! Good bye!
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You mean like Lost?
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I got so into Carnivale this year, the two years of watching payed off in the end, and left me wanting more. Lets hope they have some sense to renew it, didnt it win a whole lot of rewards last year? more than Sopranos did when it was starting off I believe. Also I agree with Deadwood, what the hell is going on on the show, im so lost. The dialogue needs to be tweaked for us to follow easier. Ever since that Mr. Big looka like showed up at the end of last season, I've lost track of all the political junk on the show.
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If there's one show that can be saved by fans alone, and one network that will listen to their fans, it's Carnivale and it's HBO. If we make enough noise HBO will definately finish out the 3rd act. Post on the forums with my link above, send in your emails with Whedon's link. We can't let this show die before it's done, that would be the biggest catastophy in the history of storytelling.
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A letter writing campaign is the best way to get any show renewed. Execs can ignore digital messages. They can't ignore piles of angry fan mail. Let's get some postage stamps out there for Carnivale. HBO's address is: HBO - 2500 Broadway, Suite 400 - Santa Monica, CA 90404
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What is the deal with the Francis Wolcott character, played by Garret Dillahunt? He also played a character named Jack McCall (you know, the drunk who shot Wild Bill) in the first season of Deadwood. Is he supposed to be the same man or is the show just re-using actors? I can't believe that a drunk murderer would be able to secure a high paying job that requires brains with one of the most powerful miners.
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Aww Opti take heart in knowing that The Wire was renewed for a fourth season. (Btw, that's you're not your).
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Yes. It is supposed to be the same person. Jack McCall was bought to Nebraska charged and convicted with the murder of Wild Bill but through a rare late 1800's prison work release program he decided to get out, get some plastic surgery done to correct his birth defect, because plastic surgeons were prevelant in the old west. Changed his name to Francis Wolcott, went back in time and worked for the bigshot in San Francisco during the same time that he was in Deadwood as Jack playing poker.... Well thought out question there.
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Thanks for ragging on my question and not just answering it. Very friendly of you. So what you are saying is that the show is re-using the same actor? Why? I find it confusing. I do not know how much of this show is based on real events, but as I stated in my previous post I do not find it plausible that it is the same character with different names (for the reasons you so kindly suggested). Let's just hope that Wolcott doesn't shave and get a little bit dirty and drunk or else everyone in Deadwood will be asking the same question that I did.
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Still getting all gay over The Wire eh? Hmm The Shield ownz you ya little bitch.
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Mar 31, 2005 6:26:59 PM CST
Anybody notice that Bree Walker chick on the show this season?
by wonkabar
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I was wondering if someone was going to say that...
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This is a show that needs a conclusion for the series to have any real value. I was thinking of buying the DVDs but if they are not going to give it a resolution then it will be a pointless waist of money. Thank you HBO for letting me save my money, you fucking idiots.
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I've just ordered the DVD season 1 and season 2 is about to start airing in the UK... hope by the time I finish watching it the people at HBO will have made up their mind... and choose to carry on!
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with repeated viewings...when I catch the replay of the show on Tuesday nights the dialogue starts to make more sense...granted the writers go overboard with the Shakespearean
flourishes here and there, but it actually flows better on the second-go-round....sorry Carnivale, even your talkback's taking a backseat.....
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Such is the fate of shows that do not cater to the masses. To all of you who were underwhelmed by the second season finale, go watch Matrix Revolutions, AGAIN. The only flaw was perhaps letting both Justin & Ben presumeably live. Carnivale was a beautifully executed show with probably the unsexiest of premises. But that's what made it so engaging; the dogged commitment to the era in which it was set, the excellent acting which purposefully left out flashy / cheeky dialog. You saw the emotion in the actors faces and body language before one word was ever spoken. (Brother Justin did get some juicy speeches to chew on.) The look of the show featured a pristine and energetic visual style that felt like old sepia-toned photographs come to life. I'll miss this show and will keep a look out for Daniel Knauf projects. Thanks for the talkback.
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She's built like a hockey stick and her skin is a mole ranch. Lets see The Borg Queen take it off.
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HBO sent out a survey regarding Carnivale..
I urge all you Carnivale fan talkbackers to take one minute to fill it out..
http://www.hbosurveys.com/surveys/carnivale05.htm
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...acting like Showtime.
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Opti, Opti, I like The Shield also, you little Asceveda loving Sperm-Burper.
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I'm sick and tired of television channels persecuting good television. Carnivale is such an amazing show that totally mind fucks you every episode. I swear, with stupid ass shows like 'The Ashlee Simpson Show' getting air time, and clever, intelligent scripted shows like Carnivale getting the chop... I won't be surprised if in 50 years all television channels will just be outlets for hardcore porn.
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Apr 02, 2005 5:06:43 AM CST
"I won't be surprised if in 50 years all television channels wil
by jim jam bongs
That would be an improvement compared to crap like Newlyweds and the Ashlee Simpson Show.
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Please fill it out. The show need to stay on the Air!! Thanks.
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Just because you're a braindead moron that thinks shit like Sex In the City is "good". For someone that doesn't care about Carnivale you are an annoying troll about it possibly going off the air. Oh, and you're so cool for being first.
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