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Whoop, There It Is!! Joss Whedon Officially Writing And Directing WONDER WOMAN!!
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The Hollywood trade papers report Thursday morning that it’s a done deal, though no start date has yet been set, and no one has been cast. AICN sources have long maintained that Warner Bros. hopes to have its big-screen "Wonder Woman" in the cinemas by summer 2006.
"Wonder Woman is the most iconic female heroine of our time, but in a way, no one has met her yet," Whedon said in a statement. "What I love most about icons is finding out what's behind them, exploring the price of their power. When ["Wonder Woman" producer Joel Silver] and I began discussing the character, I realized there is a woman behind the legend who is very fascinating, very uncompromising and in her own way almost vulnerable. She's someone who doesn't belong in this world, and since everyone I know feels that way about themselves, the character clicked for me."
For those new to the site, Whedon masterminded "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," "Angel" and "Firefly," three of the finest entertainments ever televised. He made his feature directorial debut last summer with "Serenity," the big-screen sequel to "Firefly," which hits movie screens in September. He also co-wrote "Toy Story" and created a really great script called "Alien: Resurrection," which was directed by a guy who didn't speak much English and the movie itself didn't turn out so good.
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She is hot, busty, and can act. Who cares if she doesn't look anything like the comic.
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This movie just jumped right up there next to Superman Returns as most most anticipated Super Hero movie!
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Mar 17, 2005 1:37:10 AM CST
If you think female action lead movies can't play, I say "ALIENS
by tall_boy
Just wanted to get in on something I started in the other talkback.
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like, now.
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NOOO!!!! She's hot and a great actress but we need someone who looks the part. My vote goes to Charisma Carpenter!
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Shame, Whedon really belonged on X3. I have a hard time imagining anyone cast in this (other than, say, a 10 year younger Monica Bellucci). -Half
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You know it to be true.
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eliza dushku!
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If Serenity flops, which it probably will despite it's low budget, will Joel Silver still want to use Whedon? That's a negative, Rampart.
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I will trust in the Joss. I can't imagine Wonder Woman being interesting or worth making a movie for but He usually takes ideas that I can't imagine being good and does something amazing with them. Since it sounds like Joss has ideas as to what to do with the character I'll check it out. I thought a teenage vampire hunter and a futuristic cowboy show sounded stupid too but he proved me wrong.
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Perfect for the role.
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People who say Wonder Woman is inherently cheesy and un-filmable are wrong. If one respects the material and the character, ala the Richard Donner Superman movies (the first two that is) then with the right script and director it is possible to create something both epic and entertaining. Joss Whedon is just the person to do both. I'm not a big Whedon fan - ain't seen much Buffy, forex - but I've seen enough of his stuff to know that he won't crank out anything even *remotely* as bad as the "Electra" and "Catwoman" travesties. Weather or not he uses the '80's Perez run as the basis for his script I feel that the film is now in capable hands. As to who should play the title character. . .it needs to be above all SOMEONE WHO CAN ACT. Do not listen to the horndogs who only want T&A; sure she should be beautiful but she should also look like she could believably beat the living crap out of all comers. Lucy Lawless back in the day was that person; Jennifer Garner most certainly is NOT. Neither is Halle Berry (sorry Tall_Boy). Charisma Carpenter
could work if you made her spend a few months in the gym. Going with an unknown, as Donner did, may perhaps be the best route however. We shall see, eh? Toppu o Nerae! -
one....wonder woman beter have BOOBS, TITTEES, TA-TAS, FUNBAGS, SACKS OF MILK, MOUNDS OF JOY, HEAPS OF FLESH, SCOOPS OF SOFT FUFFY SKIN, A CHEST, A RACK, A SET, A PAIR, TWO BUTTONS ON TOP OF A COUPLE OF MELONS, MAUMFLAUMBAS, AND HIGH QUANITYIES OF SOFT SERVE DAIRY.....two...SHE BETTER HAVE AN ASS.....and three...I BETTER HAVE THE NEED TO BOP THE BISHOP ON MANY TURNS IN THAT DARKENED THEATER....so fight all you want....just give me the chick i can objectify...And thus, halfway down the bottle! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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But unless this gets a really good buzz I'm not gonna go see it. Charisma Carpenter looked the part 5 years ago, now whe is a round faced perma tanned fading actress, while she was never a great actress to begin with. I think Biel would be an ok choice, Lauren Graham is tall, but Bellucci a few years ago would have been perfect (They wouldn't have allowed her to be Mediterranean though). And to one9deuce, the contract has been signed on the basis of Joss being Joss, not whether Serenity will do well.
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Another crappy superhero film. First Batman Begins, now Wonder Woman. Makes you fear for Superman. Did you hear Lois has a five year old kid in it? And she's engaged to marry Perry White's kid? Yeah, sounds sweet. I want to see a good Wonder Woman probably more than the next guy, but c'mon. How much Joss Whedon voice acerbic wit can we take? I don't buy this bullshit that "we've never met her." Let me tell you, I've been a regular, weekly comic book reader for a long time, and I've sure as shit met her. Who the fuck does he think he is? He's got this special insight into the character that we've all been missing all these years, huh? Sure, why not? I hope this insight doesn't include working with any of his Buffy cast. Eliza Dusku is a midget. Where's the subtle artistic vision of Renny Harlin when you need it?
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Rhona Mitra would be perfect for WW!!! (She's on Boston Legal and was the original Lara Croft model).
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Garner can't act eh? She better send back those awards she got then. You know - for ACTING!!!
Belucci is a great idea. Most american's could mistake the Italian accent for a Greek one anyway. Dumbasses. Cordy all the way for me though. Mmmmm. -
For one, that costume( albeit iconic) won't work. Hell, it didn't work circa 1979 on tv. I don't envy the costume designer on that flick...have to keep some iconic elements...can't get too Matrix on it either. but then again, who really cares THAT much about Wonder Woman?? Really? Not to the degree that we care about Supes, Batman et al. They might take great liberties with design and and people will embrace it. Of course casting is everything.
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...will Lyle Wagner make a most anticipated cameo...or is he dead? Get on it AICN...I want answers!
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I just said she doesn't look like someone who could "believably beat the living crap out of all comers." Sorry, but she just plain doesn't. As to WW's costume, I think they should go with the design used in Kingdom Come with the shield, helmet and whatnot. Either that or use the design that Wizard put together for Ultimizing the DC Universe. Here it is right here: http://hallofheroes.free.fr/Images/UltimateDC/wonderwoman.jpg. And of course, NO invisible plane crap, that's just nasty. Just give her the power of flight. It'll look much better onscreen.
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she would rock
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I'm sorry, I like Charisma as much as the next guy, but she is in no way, shape or form equipped to carry the mantle of the Princess of the Amazons and the Ambassador of Paradise Island. I mean, seriously, people - Diana is a warrior goddess. WARRIOR. GODDESS. A statuesque vision of authority and grace who can kick your ass. BEAUTY + GRAVITAS + BADASS. Charisma's one out of three. Besides, methinks Warners will insist on casting young (mid-20s tops), a la Superman Returns, as they surely have sequels in mind (which also rules out Belucci, Graham, Bullock, etc.). Hopefully they'll pull a Routh and find a non-name Greek-esque goddess, as I'd rather have a perfect unknown than a miscast "name" any day of the week.
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She was pretty good in HIGHWAYMEN and good on Boston Legal. Let's not modernize WW's costume, just add a touch of Greek history to it. Give her her familiar costume by films end. Have her earn her stars and stripes(and eagle). Give her tiara and wrist guantlets a weathered look, definitely not new(something a ton of films don't forget)
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Mar 17, 2005 3:13:18 AM CST
"Another crappy superhero film. First Batman Begins, now Wonder
by voice o. reason
When exactly was it that you got to watch "Batman Begins"? What was it about it that you didn't like? Can you fill us in on some plot details?
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Mar 17, 2005 3:17:22 AM CST
"...but in a way, no one has met her yet," Whedon said in a stat
by triumph poops!
Yeah, right, Mr. Full of yourself. We've never met. I'm sure William Moulton Marston, who actually CREATED the character and who brought her to life in comics, never bothered to "introduce her" to us all properly. Nor did anyone else who touched and worked on the character in 50 odd years. You know, I'll keep my fingers crossed on this one because who doesn't want to see a movie with a hot chick running around in a bustier, boobs thrust up, stiletto boots, and with patriot stars adorning her ass, but that male fantasy aspect aside, I utterly hate fucking bullshit statements like this. That is, people coming to work on a pre-existing property -- no, wait, change that, coming to work on an ICONIC property, something that was so successful people all over know what it is-- but who tell you in the very next breath that you've never "met" the property yet. That they'll now do something so new and wonderful that no one's ever thought of before, not even the freakin' person who CREATED the freakin' thing. Well, I guess with Whedon officially aboard now I can look forward to a total BUFFYesque "Girl power!" message movie. But as someone else noted above, we'll see how long this lasts or if Whedon retains the director's chair once SERENITY is out and we get to judge that one with box office dollars...
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Most people's only exposure to the character has been the crappy 1970s TV show.
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If the rumor several weeks back was true, that the role has come down to Kim Basinger or um... I forget who... some young starlet... Jessica Biel was it? Well, anyway, if that rumor was true, GO WITH BASINGER!! a) It would be a hell of a lot more interesting presenting WW as a woman with life experience behind her (Basinger looks in her 30s IMO) than as a woman just out of girlhood seeing the world for the 1st time, and b) there is no one on this earth more beautiful than Basinger. Maybe as beautiful, but not more so. And c) Basinger is a good actress and will bring some prestige to this project, fitting for such an iconic character. Nobility.
Now now, don't argue. What, you'd rather stuff some starlet into the bustier? Look at Troy, or the Helen of Troy miniseries on tv. They went with someone less than an iconic beauty for Helen and we all had a hard time her beauty launched 1000 ships.
WW needs to be someone who turns every single head in whatever arena she walks into, exuding power, stature, grace, and superhuman beauty. Carpenter, Biel, Gellar, etc. are all pretty, cute, attractive, talented, and perhaps beautiful too. But they are not amazons, and I have a hard time picturing any of them hanging out with Batman and Superman and being goddesses among men. -
Are you looking at pictures from THIS year?
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Not everyone grew up reading Wonder Woman comic books. There has been vast exposure on the Superman and Batman front over the years between all the serials, films, and television series. Not to mention merchandise on the shelves. How exposed is Wonder Woman? Sure, everyone knows Wonder Woman, but how many KNOW Wonder Woman? Not many. Not like Superman and Batman, whose mythologies I can rat off in my sleep. I know shit about Wonder Woman and I suspect that holds true for most other people. That's what Whedon is speaking to. Wonder Woman's mythology hasn't made the huge impact the mythologies of Batman and Superman have. So he's going to try to change that. Everyone is so quick to slam Whedon that they don't take a second to think about what he's saying. Buncha fan boys in this thread!
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She would make a bad ass Wonder Woman. I'm thinking she might even be sporting the outfit right now.
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Mar 17, 2005 4:06:39 AM CST
A raven-haired Kristanna Loken or a blue-eyed Monica Bellucci
by rant breath
Forget any teeny bopper tv actresses. We need a Wonder Woman with some stature.
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Whilst this is not confirmed, there is at least another two names on the shortlist. Basinger is NOT going to be Wonder Woman, as most of you have already guessed, although I think that could have worked... maybe.
But for Franchise reasons primarily, they are looking for a younger woman who they can tie to a potential sequel / 3 picture deal.
The Biel rumours are interesting. Fingers crossed she won't be listening to an iPod on her adventures if she does win out. However, from what I hear Joss and Joel like the idea of an unknown playing the role - as with Routh and to a certain extent Hugh Jackman.
I can CONFIRM that Sarah michelle Gellar will not be playing Wonder Woman, no problems between Joss and her but she has too much recognition as Buffy and Joss wants to try someone else in the lead.
However Eliza Dushku will be screen-tested - Joss has already promised her an audition. That, I would like to see.
When I know more, you guys and gals will, but keep it on the QT. Or don't, because lets face it, this is the internet!
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Ok, late-30s. Voice O. Reason, check out this pic from the Cellular premiere:
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808403398&cf=premiere&photoid=543399&intl=us
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I forgot. We're not allowed to form opinions on any movies until we've seen the finished product. Because this site is so based on facts. Get a fucking grip, Voice.
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Basinger looks in her 40s in that pic, and what do you know? She is.
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This guy is way overrated, Angel one of the best televised entertainments ever? haha, yeah right...one9deuce was right, after serenity bombs we'll see what happens :) oh, and the script for Alien Resurrection was terrible. And for the record, Delicatessen, City of Lost Children and Amelie are way better than anything Whedon has ever come up with
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Its wonder woman, not wonder girl...
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Mar 17, 2005 4:39:54 AM CST
DarthHomercles: "Everyone is so quick to slam Whedon that they d
by big dumb ape
Well, who did you THINK was gonna be posting away in the thread? Being a fan boy (or girl, in deference to the ladies) is what this site is all about! As for Triumph's comment, he might be coming down a bit too hard on Whedon, but in general I can sort of see his point. There IS a slight touch of creative arrogance in the way Whedon phrased that, about how we've never "met" Wonder Woman until now when HE'S aboard and tackling the project, but I'm sure it wasn't intentional or meant to be a slight towards former people who have worked on Wonder Woman (say Lynda Carter, for example). It sort of came out sounding a bit cocky, and then it just depends on how you take it or what you read into it...
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Basinger's in her 50s. But hey, what do you know, right?
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Guess it's just me, but I don't get the hype about Joss Whedon. Firefly was a flop, and Buffy and Angel were both shows with pretty poor ratings. The only reason they were both touted as successes was because they were the best rated shows on a network with relatively poor ratings. It's like Smallville, which is considered a "success" even though it routinely comes in near last against the other major networks. Anyway, back to Whedon...what has this guy done to warrant all this faith? Alien Ressurection? Even with bad direction that was abysmal dialog and plotline. Titan AE? AWFUL. The only thing this guy has done that was well received on any sort of large scale level was Toy Story. Some of you cult fans may love Bufy, Angel, and Firefly, but I think this guy still needs to prove himself to warrant all the hoopla surrounding this decision. Singer did X-Men and Apt Pupil so you gotta have a bit of faith in Superman. Nolan had Memento and Insomina, which is very much in the same sort of line as what Batman should be. Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for him and am hoping he does great, because I love a good comic book movie, but I'm a bit weary of the resume.
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Gotta agree with that, give Whedon a project outside cult tv/film and lets see what he can come up with.
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Gotta agree with you as well in regards to Alien, that was a poor comment about the direction because Amelie and Delicatessen are absolutely great movies with amazing scripts. I would absolutely fault the script on Alien.
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You ARE kidding, right? Puh-leeze! BEST writer in Hollywood? I'm sorry, but HOW MANY Oscars and Emmy nominations or wins does he have to his credit? And don't give me that shit that he wrote (and was nominated) for TOY STORY -- given the astounding success Pixar has had for EVERY SINGLE MOVIE THEY'VE MADE IN A ROW I think we can now safely say Whedon doing a pass on the script was NOT the creative force that pushed TOY STORY over the top or made it what it was. Then again, what am I saying? With Whedon aboard Wonder Woman, I should have anticipated the Buffyverse people crawling out of the woodwork. Ah, yes, let the traditional AICN kiss Joss' ass jerkfest begin!
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Absolutely. Truth is Fox were looking for a cheap script after the so so domestic BO of ALien 3. Enter Whedon. Thats why the script for Resurrection was set in some dingy corridors. The trouble with Whedon is he doesn't seem able to do anything apart from sly post-modern comments. I'd like to see him try his hand at a drama, something like The Shawshank Redemption and see how he got on. It's amazing some people on here are so deluded they thnk he's one of the best writers in Hollywood.
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You can't say he's the best writer in Hollywood or even possibly with a resume that short. Even if you love his stuff, how can you compare that short a history to someone like (for instance) David Milch or Aaron Sorkin?
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Mamet and Kaufman are steps above him, and Sorkin was a better TV writer. Whedon is certainly up there though.
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Shawshank is a great example of the level at which you have to be playing at to be considered a great writer. Loved the Young Indy Chronicles too I might add :).
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Mamet has talent, but my God he's come up with his share of clunkers.
"Everyone wants money. Tha's why the call it MONEY."
Mmm Genius.
"Motherfucker's so cool when he goes to sleep sheep count him."
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I'm just waiting for the Buffy fans to come crashing down on us!
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They're all kids, they all went to bed - check back tomorrow and they'll all be railing on us :)
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dangerous words my friend :) i'd agree though!
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Themyscira is actually in Santa Monica, built directly on top of a Hades hole. Wheadon's feminist ideals will put Wonder Woman in dark denim and a red t-shirt instead of hot pants and leather boots, correct? KIDDING I'm diggin' on Wheadon's work on Astonishing X-men --pretty darn goot (not great). He's a good choice to write / direct Genre-material. This one, as you all know, lives and dies with the casting. Unknown talent just feels right for this, but will they give him the juice and the budget w/o an established lead? I think this one needs to be physically acurate and that IT IS important that Diana be tallish and perhaps noticeably muscular. Wonder if she'll fly...
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It's an impossible point to defend. Whedon fans say he's the best because they liked Buffy and Angel. Those were two low rated shows with no mass market appeal. His only show on a major network (firefly) tanked. Titan AE and Alien Resurrection were horrible and he wasn't sole writer on Toy Story. You can't defend his tangibles as a writer on your sole personnel feeling about a cult show. Hell, I lvoe Smallville, but it would be silly to say the writing there is better than the writing on a show like The Shield. Another great example actually - Shawn Ryan's writing on the Shield is genius, but I wouldn't say he's the best writer or even one of the best until he's proven it with a track record. There area LOT more writers out there with much better credits to their name. Nevermind awards either, too subjective...just look at the resumes.
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Ha. Just kidding. I also think he is overrated. The only reason buffy/angel were popular was that they were different. And that wore off fast. Buffy was okay for the first three seasons then pfffft there she went. Angel couldn't even get past the fifth. And firefly could not even survive a full season. I think he should help write Wonder Woman and get someone else to direct. Whedon is starting to remind me of Kevin Smith. He really is watering himself down. I don't hate the man. His work is bland. I hope the movie does well. Would like to see a new franchise started.
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I was wondering why there wasnt any Buffy fans to defend Whedon but I realised its 6am there - doh! Guess they'll all be online soon...Outrider 304 is right though, the resume is all important and this guy has yet to convince.
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C'mon...she wore those great boots in Ella Enchanted, so we know she can pull off the outfit. She's young and fit. She has the look. I think she's perfect.
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Smallville is an ace show, manages to be nostalgic and contemporary at the same time and nowhere near as cynical as Buffy.
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Mar 17, 2005 6:22:45 AM CST
Firefly fans already know who should be cast as Wonder Woman
by zakchase
Morena Baccarin. She meets all the qualifications. Ridiculously beautiful? Check. Appropriately sized rack? Check. Thespian prowess? Check. Correct age? Check.
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Not some anorexic, 5'3 Sarah-Michelle type. Too bad Charlize Theron is already playing Aeon Flux. Let's go find someone her size.
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1) Saying that since Buffy and Angel had low ratings, Whedon's writing can't be as hot as his fans say it is--that's an absurd line of argument. The ratings had more to do with the concepts behind the shows than the quality of Whedon's writing. For millions of Americans, asking them to suspend disbelief to the point where they could believe in a skinny girl kicking vampire ass was too much. This is like saying that since The Twilight Zone had low ratings during its original run, Rod Serling is overpraised. Anyone wanna take that one up? 2) Much of the reason behind Firefly tanking had nothing to do with Whedon either. It got stuck in the Friday Night Slot O' Doom. The promos were played more for comedy than for drama, eliminating a lot of people who would have loved the show. The episodes were aired out of order, slicing up the feel of the narrative arc. None of this was Joss's fault. Notice how well the DVDs have sold, by the way, as the series gets great word of mouth. 3) If anyone actually cared to notice, Whedon doesn't have script credit (or blame) for Titan AE. That goes to Ben Edlund. Alien: Resurrection, however, is indefensible, so I won't even try. 4) I can't say Joss is the best writer in Hollywood because he has a short resume? Really? AHEM. Joss Whedon is the best writer in Hollywood, despite his short resume. Quantity isn't always, and some would say isn't often, an indicator of quality. Take novels. For every prolific but excellent writer like Isaac Asimov, you have five or six Harlequin peddlers of crap-tasic formula novels. J.D. Salinger only wrote four novels and a couple dozen short stories, yet his name is bandied about as one of the greatest authors of the twentieth century. Comparing Joss Whedon to J.D. Salinger...now THAT'S arrogance at its finest.
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Mar 17, 2005 6:40:31 AM CST
Someone suggested this before and I agree. HERE'S your hot young
by commando cody
Check out these photos and drool (take out the spaces in URL since I didn't want to stretch the talkback). Check out the second and third photos down in the right hand column...and then the bottom left corner photo. Yowza!!! Hmm, suddenly I feel all funny in my pants... http://www.stuffmagazine.com /cover_girls /html/girl_337.html
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Are you seriously saying Joss Whedon is the best writer in Hollywood? Being a fan of somebody's work is fine but please keep it in proportion. There are some fantastic writers in Hollywood.
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Actually, I don't really believe Joss Whedon is THE best writer in Hollywood. My personal pick for that honor would be Kaufman, although I do love Whedon's work. I'll be honest...mostly, I just said that because someone a few posts up had said "You can't say that!" Contrarian to the end, that would be me.
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Kaufman is a terrific writer. Interesting to see what eh comes up with next..
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Wonder woman is hot, and she better not be fucking Halle Berry. She's a right-wing SWF with sex appeal but she's still a nice girl. Let's keep this canon, Mr. Whedon.
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First Singer abandons X3 for Superman... and now Joss goes for WW rather than X3. X3 just can't get a break, lol. Kim Basinger could be good as WW... if this were being made around 1985-1990. That ship has sailed, shes just too old now (still hot though, for an older woman). Beil... I suppose I could see it, though it wouldn't seem to be the best pick. I honestly cannot think of a single actress that is age appropriate, looks the part AND can act her ass off. Doesn't mean that person doesn't exist, its just I can't think of the perfect person. Buffy gets bashed a lot, but it really did have its moments. Though Angel was in my opinion, the superior show, and got better with each season, which is why its a shame it was cancelled. Charisma Carpenter... I think I could live with her in the role if she hit the gym to get a bit more muscle. Shes still a hottie, just watch her last appearance on Angel in the 5th season, daaaaammmmnnn. She never looked better!!! As for Joss being the best writer? I don't believe that for a moment, but he is definitely talented. If I don't agree, it doesn't mean I have to bash his name and question his talent, thats just a childish thing to do. I'll just say, I like his work, and leave it at that. In the end... I'm not all that excited about WW as a movie, and wish that Joss would do something else. If not X3, at least do the Faith spinoff. Oh well, Joel "If you liked the first Matrix, you haven't seen nothing yet" Silver has a lot of power, so its not surprising that this WW movie is happening.
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"three of the finest entertainments ever televised"
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If Joss Whedon does for WONDER WOMAN what he did for ASTONISHING X-MEN, we're definitely in for a sweet ride, especially if he draws heavily from the George Perez era. Ares should rock!
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and don't anybody dare deny it!
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...and she better not be fucking Halle Berry."
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Morena Baccarin would be good if it's serious and not heavy on the action. But if it's a light "girl power" adventure, then why not Jewell Staite.
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Mar 17, 2005 9:13:57 AM CST
I'll praise Whedon based on the most important of facts and figu
by kingkrikkit
... I like his work. So many people here are bashing Whedon talking about Buffys and Angels fan base and how the ratings were low and how long Firefly lasted and how bad Alien:Resurrection was, but all I can say is I like his stuff. I loved Buffy and Angel to death and miss the characters greatly, I always thought the writing was smart and funny and that the relationships were written so well, and I don't care how long Firefly was on for, it was a good show I thought... OK, A:R wasnt great, but you cannot blame that solely on Joss, and I happened to like Titan A.E. quite a bit. SOIi guess what im trying to say is I like his stuff, I think Serenity will be good and so will Wonder Woman, and thats based of the most important fact or figure: my personal opinion........... with your facts and figures you guys keep throwing out instead of how you personally feel about his work, that you have actually taken the time to watch, I finally know where movie execs come from ;)
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I like to think Whedon
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Mediterranean = check! Perfect WW look = check! Perfect WW body = check! Accent = check! and above all: acting ability = check!....................as for her age, well she is playing an immortal Amazon - why let a little thing like age get in the way of such perfect casting, especially in light of this ridiculous Basinger rumour that people are starting to consider ok.....Whedon, are you paying attention? don't give this film away to some skinny actresses who'll beg to play the role just for the iconic status WW holds..........Bellucci is perfect, and doesn't look her age anyway
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Mar 17, 2005 9:24:32 AM CST
Um, has anyone mentioned the fact that Wonder Woman is stupid?
by i dunno
She's a caucasian Amazon with a ridiculous costume who has a lasso that makes people tell the truth and rides in an invisible jet. I know DC comics is desperate for super heroes to make into movies but come on. But if you absolutly have to do it, Angelina Jolie is the only choice.
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Now, I haven't followed Charisma Carpenter's career outside of Buffy and Angel, but has she worked since the "Your Welcome" episode of Angel? I honestly don't know, but for me, thats the last performance I've seen her in, and I think it was her at her best. That episode isn't even that old, so its not like anyone can say she fell off since then. Again, I don't know of anything else she has done since, but I'm going to base my opinion of her acting on the most recent effort I'm aware of, and I think she could POTENTIALLY play Wonder Woman. Her acting skills in her final episode of Angel is far superior to when she was acting on Buffy. She certainly learned how to act during her time on these shows, so I see nothing wrong with her if she is chosen for the role.
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From a purely male-fantasy perspective, my choice would be Salma Hayek. As the great philosopher known as George the 7th Chicken said, WW better have tits, and she better have ass. I can't think of any woman who better fits that description than Miss Hayek. And those are all-natural fun bags, too, not those fake silicone crap that you fin in every starlet-wannabe in Hollywood. God, and isn't she one of the most beautiful babes on earth. Can she kick butt believably? Who gives a shit!
I want to look at that honey for two hours and I won't even care about the plot. Hmm, actually, on second thought that's actually what I thought about Halle and Catwoman and that was about the most unsexy movie ever made. Ahem!
Anyway, make it sexy and have a nice revealing outfit and Hayek in a lot of nice revealing slow-motion shots and a fun storyline and I will be a happy man.
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Now let the flaming begin!
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I say they shouldn't take as many chances with this. Make the BEST Wonder Woman movie possible and get Zeta Jones. Wonder Woman in her prime. Enough said.
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I'll take either one, though I think Charisma looks better for the part. Linda Carter has to have a featured role not a fucking cameo, you hear me Joss?!
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Mar 17, 2005 10:27:51 AM CST
No to Kristiana Lokken, Eliza Dushku, and Michelle Rodriguez bec
by mr. profit
I say the girl from Riddick, Biel with extensions, Lilly with acting classes, or Garner since she's the only girl aside from Biel who has meat on her bones. Geller and Carpenter need to stay the fuck away. One is short and boney and the other is past her prime. And again, Anne Hathaway would be an interesting choice.
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Mar 17, 2005 10:31:38 AM CST
And Zeta Jones would have been perfect in her Zorro heyday befor
by mr. profit
Anyhow, I say make every sexy woman in Hollywood take a cameo as an Amazon. And the best suggesting so far was on another talkback where someone said Michelle Phieffer for the role of WW's mom. That woman clearly does not age.
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Mar 17, 2005 10:34:00 AM CST
Could be Angelina, anyone, if the script is interesting and good
by doc_manhattan
I earlier argued for Jennifer Garner, figuring her Elektra vehicle would do better. Now I would go with either the lovely Charisma, the charming Lauren Graham (Okay, might not work, but I'd love it to..) or why not Angelina Jolie as someone mentioned- If Whedon can turn out a great script or premise for the movie, I think Angelina or just about any other bankable star could be interested in taking the role. If Serenity turns out to be any good, that is, but it ought to be since Warner Bros are betting on Whedon for this project.
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Mar 17, 2005 10:41:10 AM CST
The character of WW is inherently campy, so the best you all can
by johnnytremaine
Although I'd see it, come on fellas: it's about a woman running around fighting crime in a colorful bikini. The best to aim for here is a lighthearted 'Charlies Angels' type flick. This could be one of those characters who simply just cannot transfer well to a live action feature (except for the campy TV show of course).
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Wonder Woman = http://www.stuffmagazine.com/girls/catherine_bell/catherine_bell_l9.jpg
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Mar 17, 2005 11:03:48 AM CST
Eliza....is Herc making any money off that merchandizing?
by right bastard
I'd love to see Eliza Dushku as Wonder Woman, but I don't know if she gives off that Amazon vibe. We know she can kick arse, though. I find Jenefer Garner completely non-sexual, and don't dig her square head. Whoever they chose, that costume has got to go. CHECK out this cool wonderwoman bondage page: http://www.castlekeys.com/Pages/wonder.html ...Oh, and what's up with the Herc T-shirts and such? Is he making any money off of that shwag?
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Which virtually guarantees that she will not be cast...I want my two cents back.
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C'mon. You know that sick feeling in your stomach is that Beyonce is going to be cast as Wonder Woman.
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The only lock-in on this casting **BETTER** be Lynda Carter as Hippolyta.
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Eat a fucking dick, you appalling cuntston. Jeunet has more talent in his armpit hairs than One-Trick Whedon has in his entire greasy carcass. FAWK.
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everyone's saying it will most likely be someone young....then they say: Charisma....how does that work....sure she'd not super old, but she is almost 35....
this girl would be perfect: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1072555/
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with a black hair dye job, of course
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She's Greek, she's hot. Don't know about acting ability, but she'll be in Fantastic Four.
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http://www.stuffmagazine.com/cover_girls/html/girl_381.html
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Mar 17, 2005 12:25:17 PM CST
Point 1: What, are you out of your mind? If you do anything, ke
by village idiot
1. Keep the suit. If Wonder Woman has any cachet with the public's imagination at this point, it's by virtue of her costume. And in case you haven't noticed, it's damned sexy. And not many people are aware of the fact that in the early seventies, Wonder Woman went mod and ditched the costume. What was one of the factors that prompted DC to bring the costume back? MS. Magazine, whose editorial board (including Gloria Steinem) saw the costume and powers as an affirmation of feminine power. 2. Get a woman to *fill* the costume. See Chicken George's post. An unknown with blue eyes would probably be the way to go, but Morena Baccarin would also work. Good old fashioned sex appeal with go a long way to selling this movie. Once they get them in the seats, then you can go for message. 3. Respect the material, and that yes, this is a superhero movie, and not a chance to filter the Matrix through a new prism. I think Whedon can do that, and I'm looking forward to seeing what he has to offer.
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Mar 17, 2005 12:25:19 PM CST
Point 1: What, are you out of your mind? If you do anything, ke
by village idiot
1. Keep the suit. If Wonder Woman has any cachet with the public's imagination at this point, it's by virtue of her costume. And in case you haven't noticed, it's damned sexy. And not many people are aware of the fact that in the early seventies, Wonder Woman went mod and ditched the costume. What was one of the factors that prompted DC to bring the costume back? MS. Magazine, whose editorial board (including Gloria Steinem) saw the costume and powers as an affirmation of feminine power. 2. Get a woman to *fill* the costume. See Chicken George's post. An unknown with blue eyes would probably be the way to go, but Morena Baccarin would also work. Good old fashioned sex appeal with go a long way to selling this movie. Once they get them in the seats, then you can go for message. 3. Respect the material, and that yes, this is a superhero movie, and not a chance to filter the Matrix through a new prism. I think Whedon can do that, and I'm looking forward to seeing what he has to offer.
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I blame...my parents!
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Mar 17, 2005 12:39:44 PM CST
I wouldn't be surprised if Joss Whedon prefers Morena Baccarin.
by jdanielp
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Jennifer Connely would be a good choice looks wise. But, id have to say Charisma, from the other choices. She does have the look.
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That's a good idea. They need a Woman to play WW. I as I said, I dig Eliza Dushku, but don't think she's mature enough to play the part. They need a confident and mature woman. Not a manly-Xena, but someone strong. I really hope they don't cast a teen/young actress. ...And PLEASE not another goddamn comic book origin movie.
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I was thinking of the 70's "Hot Pants and sparkles" wonder woman. It never did much for me. "Wonder Woman satisfies the subconscious, elaborately disguised desire of males to be mastered by a woman who loves them." Dr. William Moulton Marston, inventor of the lie detector and (under the pseudonym Charles Moulton) creator of Wonder Woman.
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Earlier posters seem intent on pidgeonholing Joss Whedon because of the voice he gave to BtVS. The fans of his shows know that what makes the Whedonverse so special is that each series he's created has it's own unique and interesting voice. Angel was very different from Buffy, and Firefly, in it's short run, showed true brilliance (rent it if you haven't seen it yet, it's well worth your $17 at Netflix). That's why Universal is making Serenity. I was not remotely interested in WW before this announcement. I am now. Way to go Joss!!! If anyone cares, I like Kate Winslet for the part.
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Morena Baccarin.
Yep, I think she's just made my top spot. I forgot how much I liked her in Firefly. Must go rewatch the DVDs...
"Did ya learn that in whore college?"
Man I love that line!
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Dammit, that's what I get for fucking off at work... Oh wait I pretty much do that everyday.
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Trust me, Joel Silver and everybody at Warner Bros. has already seen Serenity - if this deal tanks, it will not be because of Serenity's box office
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This never did anything for you?? http://images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10102000/10102320.jpg I recommend you consult a medical health professional immediately! Something may be broken!_____Okay, seriously, I realize that not everyone is going to like everything, but I think enough guys out there saw Wonder Woman, or reruns of Wonder Woman, and developed a crush on this image; a crush that the makers of this movie would be foolish not to bank on. (I mean, come on, she looks like ice cream.)_____However, I will say that taking things back all the way to Marston's version might not be the best way to go. I mean, I think it's safe to say the world is still not ready for Marston's brave message about the virtues of domnination/submission. (And when I say "brave," I mean "cuckoo.")
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This cinches it. Wonder Woman will suck. I have no faith in Joss Whedon, since he's such a hack. I'm just going to pretend this isn't happening, like I did with Catwoman.
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...maybe it's just that I was four years old the last time I saw that show. I stand corrected :)
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"We are excited about working with Joss," Robinov said. "He brings great energy and creativity to the process. His work on Buffy makes him uniquely qualified to handle the Wonder Woman character." ---UNIQUELY QUALIFIED? So they WANT Wonder Woman to resemble Buffy? NONONONONONO!
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WillowFan, no offense, but someone with that monicker loses a bit of credibility right off the bat. If you love a writer enough to name yourself after his character, you have achieved "all loss of objectiveness" status :). It would be like my calling myself Pappanoida and claiming that Radioland murders totally kicked ass!
But it wasn't asking america to suspend disbelief that a skinny girl could kick vampire butt, it's asking americans to even bother watching a show called Vampires at all when you've got shows like The West Wing (at it's peak then) on television. And the Friday night slot of doom is no defense for a bad show - Miami Vice rocked in that slot (Yerkovich, Mann, and Surnow - three more who have much better resumes), as have a number of shows over the years. If it's a good show, people will find it. I loved Wonderfalls (although not as rabidly as Herc), but the timeslot didn't kill it. If you truly think he's the best, I would pose this question to you. Do you think Joss Whedon's body of work is better than Aaron Sorkin's?
I agree KingKritKit, and I was trying to address that there are always fans of different things out there. I have watched Angel and Buffy, and tried to get into Firefly, but that stuff (in my own opinion) was junk. I just didn't get what the hoopla was about. Again, I don't think the writing on Smallville is stellar, but it's one of my favorite shows just because I'm a big Superman fan - I consider it a guilty pleasure:).
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I think what they were trying to say was that Joss Whedon was able to make an action-adventure vehicle centered on a female character work, and hopefully he'll be able to do the same with Wonder Woman; not necessarily make Wonder Woman a carbon copy of Buffy. Now I can almost hear you say "'Work'? That crap didn't 'work'!" But I think it did work for a lot of people, especially the age demographic it was shooting for; and it somehow managed to work long enough to last for 8 seasons. If I'm looking for a director to helm my female-centered action-adventure franchise, I think Whedon would be a good bet on that criteria alone.
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Mar 17, 2005 2:10:59 PM CST
Maria Menounos is hot and greek , but is a shitty actress
by big bad clone
She's done a bunch of guest spots on One Tree Hill and she can't even outact those kids.
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Mar 17, 2005 2:26:05 PM CST
Herc you forgot to Mention Whedon'd Kick Ass X-men Script that w
by atomica
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Where did SMG get her start? Soaps.
What did Nathan Fillion get his start? Soaps.
New Superman Brandon Routh? Soaps.
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then whatever. . . "Get us out from under, Wonder Woman." Not how I would've put it, but it still jammed.
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Mar 17, 2005 3:14:46 PM CST
A word on time slots and how they have changed over the years.
by barry egan
Sure Miami Vice did well on Friday nights. That has 20 years ago and the viewing habits of the American public have changed. People don't watch TV on Friday and Saturday nights like they did in back in the day. In the 70s, the number one show on TV was "All in the Family" and it began its run on Saturday. I don't think the #1 show on TV would ever eminate from Friday or Saturday again. Especially shows like Firefly that are aimed at the younger demographic.
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Wonder Woman isn't quirky or funny. She's a pretty straight forward character. She's no Buffy. And Whedon's X-men is nothing special. Just Angel or Buffy players looking like the X-men. The casting is going to suck no matter because there isn't a girl out there who can be as beautiful and have the muscular physique that Wonder Woman has. I don't think it will be as bad as Catwoman, but I don't see the writing or the casting working, or people running out to see a comic movie with a female lead. I like Wonder Woman in JLA every month but I would be really surprised to see her carry a movie by herself.
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It's on SHH and Lat review. Now, while it's painted by Adam Hughes it also looks like it was taken from a photo. So the Q is, who's the lady?
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Two days eh Herc? Well done mate. Oh, and cast Gina Torres or Morena Baccarin. Mmm mm good.
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Jeunet did not ruin Alien Resurection. That movie was done in way before he even got wind of it. And in my opinion, despite the script's shortcomings, and despite all the bigwig studios mucking it up, Jeunet made a halfway decent film out of it. The movie would have been unwatchable had anybody else done it. Think about this: the most interesting characters in the film were character actors that have appeared in multiple Jeunet films. They were obviously attracted to the project because of him. I doubt they would have done it without him at the helm. I mean come on...the man's filmography includes Delicatessan, City of the Lost Children, Amelie, and most recently A Very Long Engagement. Are you kidding me? Don't even think about blaming Alien 4 on Jeunet. Hollywood abandoned that project about a week into concept. If you want further proof, try listening to the musical score to that film. Have you ever heard anything so tepid? Scores that bad only get attached to movies nobody cares about.
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...we can expect his reoonceived "feminist" WW to be cold, hard, critical, unyieldingly self-righteous, selfish, sefl-serving, whiny and a kick ass fighter, huh? Great! Can't wait to see her beat up her various lovers after beating them to a pulp.
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hey outrider, you say Darabont is a great writer because of Shawshank? Stephen King wrote that, Darabont adapted the screenplay, right?
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There's already somebody at TV Guide beating the war-drums for Lauren Graham (who personally I thought would
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Ok lets get one thing straight, Wonder Woman sucks, and you wanna know why...because no one knows crap about her. To most people on earth she is just a male wet dream incarnate. I'm not going to post that Whedon is "the best" writer in Hollywood but I will say that he is one of the finest, and the only reason why I will probably see a movie about a shallow character with a "lasso of truth". To be honest, I would have loved him X3 just because he does killer ensemble work, but if you can depend on Whedon for anything its awesome character development and a great story arc. Those two elements alone are the beginning of a great movie. Most of you should be thanking your lucky stars it wasn
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Good call-- Lauren Graham would make an awesome Lois.
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Have you guys seen Club Dread? I swear, you put a brunette wig on Brittany Daniel and you have the perfect Wonder Woman.
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That would be nice. Maybe as WW mother.
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who the hell gives a shit? I personally could not be less enthused about a Wonderwoman movie regardless of who's writing and directing it. This will probably suck just like Catwoman, Elektra, Tombraider and every other female-led action franchise they've tried to start. Now if they'd annouced Whedon had signed to write and direct X-Men 3, that might have been something to get excited about.
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"three of the finest entertainments ever televised" bwah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah. Sorry that your beloved piece of crap Angel got the axe. Now why dont you go say some more bad things about Doctor Who?
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Dear Joss, if you dare to shoot this flat - and ignore 2.35:1 ratio - I will not be in attendance of your movie. Everytime I see HELLBOY, or the first SPIDERMAN, I get real bitter. Much love from, Me.
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Mar 17, 2005 5:06:18 PM CST
Speaking of Herc, when is his "ICE PRINCESS" review going to be
by tall_boy
you creepy, creepy man.
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Mar 17, 2005 5:12:35 PM CST
Wonder Woman should be brutal not soft and Matrix like...
by lost skeleton
Wonder Woman can kick your ass hard so I would be pissed if a thin Hollywood scarlet played her. I like the Rosario Dawson pick. J-Lo would be nice 'cuz she is athletic. Carrie Anne Moss has lost some of that sex appeal from the first flick. A big hell no to Mrs. Freddie Prinze, Jr. Teri Hacther would have been great 15 years ago. My Pick: Rosario Dawson or "Kate" from Lost!
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http://www.comics2film.com/ImageFrame.php3?f_filename=images/WonderWoman/WW1-lr2.jpg
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Do it. DO IT.
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[*shudder*] The 'Berg in hotpants and wristcuffs!! Wrong....very....very wrong!! I think I need to go scrub out my brain to get rid of that mental image.
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and Ben Affleck can be the army guy, and Marc Anthony can be in it, and P Diddy can be in it, and it will be beautiful cuz the girl has lots of T and A. especially the Ass. Great Casting!!! She is Wonder Woman!!!
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of what they are supposedly doing with X3, in regards to "Angel" and get someone of the opposite sex to play WW!!!!! May I submit Bruce Campbell for your consideration, "Drag Princess" of the Amazon variety!!!!
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he was on Zena for some episodes so that should satisfy those that wanted to go that route.
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Mar 17, 2005 6:58:03 PM CST
I Dunno, "a ridiculous costume who has a lasso that makes people
by immortal_fish
You poor, clueless tool. Try a comic. You know, the 'source material'. BTW, the Hulk can leap for miles and bullets are actually supposed to BOUNCE OFF him.
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Mar 17, 2005 7:03:51 PM CST
adaline, "Ok lets get one thing straight, Wonder Woman sucks, an
by immortal_fish
Cripes, another one. Look, I'll admit that for a stretch of time I also thought of WW as Supes with a rope only of the opposite gender. The Crisis happened. Then George Perez happened. Then the JLA reboot happened. Where the hell are the other comic fanboys?!
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I don't care if she's 40+ and recently has had child. That crap can be brushed up in cinema. Also don't care about franchise potential being screwed by someone pushing 50 by the time the 3rd flick rolls around. I want the right woman withthe right skills of the right caliber and the right stature to do the job. And that woman is Bellucci. Get'er done.
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So Lucy Lawless is a butch-dyke, huh? Riiiiight. Because any woman who looks as though she eats more than a tic-tac per day and projects a strong personality is obviously a lesbo. Oh the humanity! Vegetable. And you want. . .*Jennifer Garner* instead?? After her "stellar" performance in Elektra, which made all of .83 cents at the box office?! Are you mad?? Jesus H. Christ on a *biscuit* man, why not just hire Drew Barrymore and be done with it! I don't know about you, boyo, but I want a *good* Wonder Woman flick on the order of Superman: The Movie or the '89 Batman, not some spastic-editing craptastic wankfest fit for the likes of fucking Paul W.S. Anderson. Gonad-driven posts such as yours are why I'm glad for now that Joss is in charge of things. Fucking shit.
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Again kids, she's unknown, she's tall, she's got giant boobs and she's insanely gorgeous. Everything Lynda Carter had so 30 odd years ago. AT LEAST LET HER READ FOR IT. ANGIE HARMON would be awesome too as far as doing the Amazon bit. That female clone of Charlie Sheen thing she does in kind of oft putting though.
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Mar 17, 2005 7:23:18 PM CST
And I say it again, loud and proud: WONDER WOMAN IS *NOT* INHERE
by noriko takaya
No more so than an amazingly human-looking alien running around in red and blue tights, a guy who dresses up as a flying rodent to frighten criminals and fight crime or a group of superpowered persecuted mutants. If they play this thing as a joke than audiences will treat it as one, and stay home - just as they did for "Batman and Robin."
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wow.
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Mar 17, 2005 7:43:22 PM CST
ONE YEAR?!!! For writing, casting, production design, filming,
by frankdrebin
Somebody tell Joel Silver that this isn't an episode of Stargate he's making!!!
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Outrider...first off, I never said I was objective on this subject. But just because I'm not objective doesn't mean I'm wrong. As a matter of fact, given that I swore to never watch Buffy at its beginning and ended up one of its biggest fans, having been "converted" by the writing more than anything else, I think I'm in a unique position to comment here. As for the rest of your post, I find it ill-reasoned. 1) Buffy started airing almost a decade ago on the WB, which was still trying to find its footing in a competitive market. A few major American markets didn't even have WB affiliates! And I stand by my earlier claim that the subject matter didn't help it gain viewers, an assertion you only corroborate in your post. 2) Your comparison between Buffy and West Wing is absurd on its face. West Wing had a more mainstream premise, started on a more-established network, and had a bigger name listed as its braintrust. Given what Buffy was about and where it started, the fact that it stayed on the air for seven years is a far more amazing achievement than anything West Wing managed to do. 3) Miami Vice went off the air fifteen years ago, and it was one of the rare exceptions to the Friday night success rule. Just because a show like Vice of Joan of Arcadia comes along once in a decade and picks up viewers where most shows failed, that doesn't mean it's the ideal timeslot. Who knows how successful those shows would have been (or in Joan's case, be) if they aired in a more marketable slot? I might add that Friday night has almost always been the kiss of death for genre television. Case in point: the original Star Trek's third season, which couldn't survive a budget slash and a move to Friday. 4) Apparently you missed my later post where I said that I had only asserted Whedon to be the best because someone had said no one could say that. If I remember correctly, that someone was in fact you. 5) Finally, let me just say that I'm glad to see you judge the worth of someone's commentary on their screen handle as opposed to what they actually say. Way to go, Mister Open Mind.
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Mar 17, 2005 8:50:06 PM CST
Alien Resurrection Was Badly Directed, Not Badly Written.
by the outlander
Alien Resurrection was Badly Directed not badly written, in fact I would say that Alien Resurrection had a lot more interesting ideas in its script than any of the other Alien movies. I'm sure if Joss had directed Alien Resurrection it would have been a lot better than it was. The Director of Alien Resurrection clearly didn't know how to direct and Action/Horror movie. Delicatessen, City of Lost Children and Amelie have no Horror or Action in them, clearly he was a bad choice.
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Fight the good fight fellas, I tell ya, just when I think this planet is ripe for a huge fucking meteor you boys come along and restore my faith.
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Mar 17, 2005 9:12:45 PM CST
Joss' original Alien Resurrection script was so good it makes my
by hercules
Gigantor marijuana plants. Ridley and Call battling the hybrid with Earth's survival hanging in the balance. They should have cast Steve Buscemi as the wheelchair guy, Adam Baldwin as the Ron Perlman character, and let Joss direct the fucker the way he directed "Hush" and "Once More With Feeling." They'd STILL be counting the money.
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Yeah, yeah. I hear ya. The guy has more talent in his pinky than I have in my whole being. And I fancy myself an artist. That said, he's no Adam Hughes -- a guy that "gets" the medium and embraces it with a bear hug. Let him be the inspiration, not Ross. If you have your way, they'll be looking for the next Carter, not the next DIANAH!!
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I couldn't care less, honestly. Will he write a great WW script that ends up in a great WW movie? THAT's what I give a shit about. Hell, that said, Donner's Supes 2 is arguably the best comic2film adaptation ever made, compleat with its non-canon, non-Supes powered hooks. But was it a great telling that was a great display? YES!! That's what mattered, ultimately. That's waht has lasted with most of us. And that's what we need with this property. As with the Reeve Supes 1, let's not think franchise and we'll be set.
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"The only reason I am a bit worried about this is: Has Whedon ever written anything that isn't an ensemble piece? Wonder Woman will be the most single-character-centric thing he's done.
Unless he gives Wonder Woman her own gang of sidekicks (The Wondies?) I'm dubious as to whether he can pull this off convincingly. Exposition and portraying personality will be major hurdles when he's writing this." Not my words. I wish I could post the originalylink to this person, but, well, it's that torrent stuff. Hat's off all the same. -
Really, after the "Catwoman" disaster one would think more people here would want to *avoid* a repeat of the kind of bone-headed decisions that lead to it. Sure Halle is sexy and was wearing a hot outfit - BFD. Sex alone will NOT SELL THE MOVIE. The fact remains that audiences will NOT buy some 98lb. waif tossing 250lb men around on the screen as though they were made of paper Mache. She has to at least *look* the part of an Amazon Warrior Princess. And that doesn't mean getting someone who looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger with breasts. As for you, wolf at the door, your statement about "great taste in T&A" pretty much shows what kind of film you seem to be gunning for. Look, guy, if all you want is spank material there's plenty of pr0n on the web. Have at it. The rest of us will hope for a WW movie with a decent script and a lead actress who can act and who *looks* the part, rather than some centerfold stuffed into a pair of star-spangled tights. Toppu o Nerae!
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BUFFY: Ow!
JOYCE: What's wrong?
BUFFY: I spent a good part of my allowance on this new cream rinse, and it's neither creamy nor rinsey.
JOYCE: Life is hard, dear.
BUFFY: Don't I know it. Is that a split end?
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WONDERWOMAN: Ow! STEVE: What's wrong? WW: I polished my golden lasso all day, but it's still neither goldy or lasso-y. STEVE: It's tough being a superhero. WW: Don't I know it! Girl Power! Woo!
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Taking a ridiculous-sounding excerpt from a 2nd season episode of "Buffy" is a great way to egg on the people on this board who think Joss is a poor choice for WW. It is, however, also a way to make those of us familiar with "Buffy" think that you're an idiot. David Greenwalt, not Joss Whedon, turned out the teleplay for "School Hard." Nice try, but if you're looking for quotes to make Whedon-phobes cringe in anguish, you could at least try PULLING THEM FROM AN EPISODE HE WROTE! (I look forward to returning to this board when you try to argue that Bryan Singer is unfit to script "Superman Returns" by pulling a quote from "Burn.")
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Mar 18, 2005 12:43:57 AM CST
Whedon, you bugger - She better be every bit the superior of Bot
by theginger twit
That is all you need
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What, are you hoping to provoke me into some sort of "I have a life, I have a life" rant, followed by me storming from the board? Or maybe make me cower in shamed geek-fan silence? God, grow up. This board isn't for discussing world economics or home repair or any of my other myriad interests--it's here for movies and televsion. And in this particular instance, I happen to know what I'm talking about. Plus, when someone makes a mistake while being snide, I enjoy correcting them snidely. If you want to mock me, it's a free thread, but don't presume to know me just because I've demonstrated I know a lot about one thing which you seem to consider worthless.
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When douchebag talkbackers rag on other people for discussing the topic at hand. Why else are we here? We're here to discuss the inane happenings of Hollywood! Every poster here is doing any but contributing to the world by virtue of the fact that they're posting here. We indulge ourselves on these boards and then live our lives when we're not posting here. I hate people who act superior over others when they're no better. WillowFan called it right: pulling a random bit of dialogue from an episode Whedon didn't even write to prove how much Whedon sucks is just a desperate cry for help. "Innocence," "Becoming," "Dopplegangland," "Hush," "Restless," "The Body," "The Gift," "Once More With Feeling," and "Chosen" are some of the most compelling hours of television ever written. And I didn't even go into his resum
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One request, PLEASE cast Linda Carter as Dianna's mother. Thank you.
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Mar 18, 2005 7:32:49 AM CST
''People who say Wonder Woman is inherently cheesy and un-filmab
by scaryjim
IMO Wonder Woman is inherently cheesy and un-filmable !
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who plays Wonder Woman,its a crappy comic and every film/tv series has been shit as well,theres just no reason at all to care about this
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You must take the "no one has met her" comment as meaning that only within the past few years have writers REALLY been getting what Diana is about. Kingdom Come nailed her perfectly; she is a super passionate, idealistic outsider who cares for the human race as much as Kal-El. It's the feeling of wanting to belong, loving something so much but at the same time knowing you'll never truly be a part of the object of your admirations. Joss GETS characters. Watch all the Angel seasons if you don't believe it (Buffy doesn't demonstrate the insight into character development that Angel did). Read the Astonishing X-Men books. Joss gets the HEARTS of characters, and he holds them plainly for all to see. He also stomps the hell out of them, but he knows how to make us care about these fictional beings. That and the dialogues are just sheer entertainment; I think this is the best move for a comic movie since Raimi was picked to helm Spider-Man.
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If you helm any doubt whatsoever about Joss, you really need to see Angel 5.15 "A Hole In The World." You can study this episode for hours, it is that deep - rich in everything from script, screenplay, embedded themes, literary references and homages, pop culture play on words - this, IMO, is his finest work. This very episode. You need not know who Winifred Burkle was in the series to end up deeply moved by episode's end. This episode of TV should not go unviewed by anyone.
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you could read Anne rice's vampire trilogy ( goes down hill a bit after that ) and see vampire redemption done 100% better .
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Mar 18, 2005 8:18:16 AM CST
You mean "inherently cheesy and un-filmable" like, say, Batman,
by noriko takaya
A guy who dresses up as a flying rodent to frighten criminals and fight crime? Just sayin.'
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well of course you're right! :0) i just find his costume slightly less cheesy - and he's got a better back story and a better name , yeah -i guess this argument has no case , most super heros have stupid names . TBH i don't really care , i've never read her comics so i wouldn't know, i was just winding the guy up who wrote the original quote . Was that you ? in that case job done ! heh.
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he fell in a pond after being being hit by a drunkard milkman at 5 AM ... The koi carp brought him back to life and now he stalks the streets in the early morning - dressed as a fearsome Carp and ready to despatch any milkman that looks half cut . Come on Fox you know it makes sense . Hang on ....FOXman ! the ultimate studio advertising tie in ! He goes around inevitably turning most promising films to shit !
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are the gayest things ever. Gayer than eight guys fucking nine guys.
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Of all the directors who Silver could've hired for this film, I think Whedon is the best choice. I know next to nothing about Wonder Woman, other than what I saw on a few tv episodes as a kid, so like Whedon I've never met her. I wish him luck, though. He turned a tv series about a teenage vampire slayer into a seven-year epic, after all, so I think he's got the tools to bring the story to life in ways no one yet suspects. As for the role of Wonder Woman, I'd like to nominate Christina Hendricks, who played Saffron on Firefly. If she re-colors her hair, she meets certain Wonder Woman criteria better than other actresses I've read about on this talkback: she's hot, she can kick unholy ass when she wants to, she's got Wonder Woman-sized boobs, she's sneaky intelligent (she convincingly acts that way, at least), and she has great onscreen presence. She's also a relative unknown, but not to Joss, which works in her favor. I hope she at least gets an audition. Good luck, Joss.
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"The fanboy has already decided that a film is great before seeing it. So when he does see it, he will declare it great (and perhaps even believe it) no matter how good or bad it is." I'm in total agreement with you.
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I love how people are raging mad about Whedon saying "in a way, we haven't met her yet," (whatever he meant by that), but then in the same breath you refer to Wonder Woman as "the property." Yes, "the property" obviously has a deep personal meaning to you. It is a "franchise" that touches you deep in your heart. One of the most important licenses in your life. Okay, I'll take your word for it. Personally, I can't imagine how anybody else would even have a SHOT of making a watchable Wonder Woman movie (except for you guys, because you have such a deep abiding love for this particular Time/Warner/AOL copyrighted intellectual property). As for Serenity, which I bet will be a surprise hit anyway, that has no bearing on it. We are not normal people. Normal people do not care, or even know, who directed Wonder Woman. All they care about is whether the ads convince them that they want to see a movie about fucking *Wonder Woman*. That will be the trick: somehow convincing America that Wonder Woman is cool. Catwoman has a much bigger bearing on it than Serenity does, I'm sure.
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I am sure SERENITY will be great because I loved FIREFLY and the same creative team behind the series worked on the film. Also, I've read a few early screening reviews and they've only whetted my appetite. So yes, I am sure SERENITY will be great. On the flipside, I hope WONDER WOMAN will be good, and I think it has a good shot with Whedon on board. But I'm not sold yet because I know nothing about the film other than Joel Silver is producing and Joss Whedon is writing/directing. So yes, I am a Whedon fanboy, but I do not blindly lick up everything he throws out there. I've often looked at his work with a critical eye. He's not 100% and neither is anyone else. But he hits more than he misses, and his misses are usually still pretty interesting (ALIEN RESSURECTION, "Waiting in the Wings").
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Mar 18, 2005 2:58:24 PM CST
"I didn't care for Firefly. It was a true disappointment to me.
by darthhomercles
FIREFLY averaged more viewers in its brief run than the whole of ANGEL, and it fell just shy of BUFFY's average. The season it aired, it beat both BUFFY and ANGEL in the ratings. FIREFLY didn't die because Whedon's "loyal fanbase" turned against the show. It died because didn't promote the series properly, it often pre-empted it in favor of baseball, it aired episodes out of order and they didn't even air the pilot episode until the end (which for a series that relies on continuity is deadly)! It took me several viewings to get into the show because I was completely lost and didn't get what was going on. Fox mishandled FIREFLY. The fact that it aired on Fridays didn't help either (just ask ENTERPRISE and WONDERFALLS). FIRELY has a lot of fans the world over; its DVD sales and subsequent movie deal with Universal prove that. Let's remember, Star Trek was once a failed TV series that spawned a successful film franchise. It happened once, it can happen again.
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It's a shame he didn't write and direct the Fantastic Four movie.
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there are no other options
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it's really not that funny and all wrong for the character. WW needs to be glorious and fill us with that sense of wonderment.
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http://users3.ev1.net/~dukeofdeception/WWas/WWasCatherineBellbyAndroide.jpg
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I'm a big fan of Joss Whedon's writing and think that he is perfectly suited for this project. I like most of the casting choices made by my fellow Talkbackers - especially Zakchase's pick of Morena Baccarin (Firefly was an excellent series and one sorely missed by its fans), but I think that the studio will probably go with someone that is better known to the general public. I am sure that every actress in Hollywood has contacted their agent about inquiring into the role. Personally, I would love to see an "older" (in Hollywood terms) actress like Monica Bellucci, or Catherine Zeta Jones play her, but I am guessing that they will go with someone like Jessica Biel or (heaven forbid) Beyonce. Too bad Lucy Lawless is no longer at the peak of her popularity because casting wouldn't even be an issue (she would also have made an excellent Big Barda). One thing is certain, Linda Carter should play her mother.
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Oh, for god's sake. . .well, perhaps you've got a (tiny) point. Jennifer Connelly would be a great WW for that reason, *if* she were to spend enough time in the gym to get some decent muscle definition in her arms and legs. Most important, though, is the fact that she can act.
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Mar 19, 2005 1:48:49 AM CST
We don't fit into preconceptions nomatter how hard others try to
by spiketbb
Thanks for the praise, NewYorkKid. I
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Mar 19, 2005 2:41:08 AM CST
"I had no interest in this project until Whedon signed on. NOW I
by darthhomercles
Ditto. Whedon doesn't bat 1.000, but who does? He's on more than he's off. When he's off, it's still usually interesting on some level. When he's on, man, he is ON. I can't wait for SERENITY, I can't wait for the next issue of ASTONISHING X-MEN, and I can't wait for WONDER WOMAN.
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...as the geriatric Wonder Woman, but not as a reasonably young, sexy one. I honestly don't see how they will get this movie to work. They will have to change her entire costume or it will look goofy. And any big name actress will look even sillier. I bet this film has a budget around $60-70 million.
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seriously, is she HOT or what?
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Wonder Woman's costume might seem a little campy, I mean it is basically a swimsuit/bustier with stilleto "fuck me" boots, but it is the main reason she is popular. Women kicking ass is absurd, and the only reason it ever works for a television show or film is because they cast somebody attractive. Period. They need to keep the costume, because it's iconic and looks damn hot. And obviously whoever they cast will be very beautiful. Anyone here think they are casting a short plain jane that will wear grey sweats for her costume? Me either. Keep the costume, or people won't think "Wonder Woman".
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Monica Bellucci has always been my favorite for the role, but since it's virtually certain the producers will consider her to be too old, then Morena Baccarin is the best alternative. She has the look, and she can act.
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