March 16, 2005, 6:25 p.m. CST
Angel a girl? I wouldn't have it any other way!
March 16, 2005, 6:26 p.m. CST
I guess it evens things out. The comics were always too boy heavy.
March 16, 2005, 6:28 p.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
Both the other X movies started out with all these characters rumored to be in the flick (I remember there were even fuzzy out of focus production pictures of a possible Angel floating around during X2's filming), and remember Keanu Reeves proclamation before X1 that he will be in the movie. I'll wait a little while before I put too much stock in this.
March 16, 2005, 6:34 p.m. CST
She would be wicked awesome!
March 16, 2005, 6:36 p.m. CST
Never cared for the character much. Making him into a girl might actually bring some interest, lol. Hardcore fans will be bitching up a storm though, I predict. Beast!!!! Its about time really, he should've been in X2, and not as a TV cameo that only us comic fans caught. As for Gambit, I honestly can't think of anyone who would be good in that role. Now, what I want to know is, who is the (better?) actor that will be picked to replace whatshisface as Cyclops???
March 16, 2005, 6:37 p.m. CST
by Snow Is Fun
Beast and Gambit! Cheer! This makes me so happy I could just, uh, do something!
March 16, 2005, 6:38 p.m. CST
May she be a beautiful brunette. I like this idea of Angel being a girl for this series (though IF there is an ArchAngel down the line, I'd expect him to be a male and a seperate being... supplied by Apocalypse... making a for a cool battle between the two angels). My hats off to whoever made this decision and I hope the Beast looks good (I expect that he will, they did a great job with NightCrawler). My hopes for X3 are started to brighten up despite Singer's departure.
March 16, 2005, 6:39 p.m. CST
by Trevor Goodchild
One last time then. Beast-Joaquin Phoenix, Oliver Platt, Vincent D'onofrio and Angus McFadden. I realize there already was a Hank Mcoy but Beast is such a great character that he needs casting right. Won't be surprised if they change his colour to distinguish him from Nightcrawler and Mystique for the dumb masses. Gambit-Eric Banna (unlikely) Angel-Fuck knows. some pretty charisma vacuum will be cast but Tilda Swinton does a good angel.
March 16, 2005, 6:42 p.m. CST
You mean we finally lost the guy who played Cyclops? (I can recall his frustration over not getting to show his eyes on film and how he was venting about that). Well, if he's gone, why have a Dark Phoenix story at this point? We can save that story til' X4 or X5 if they can sweet talk Marsden back. Oh well, I guess departures are bound to happen with this many big names set in a project... Halle Berry kept threatening to bail and I don't think she should, I mean, even if it's just a bit part: it's a great paycheque and you leave behind a legagy that can be appreciated by all... (aside from a bad line in the first one about lightning and toads...).
March 16, 2005, 6:49 p.m. CST
http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/article/04020503.php seems to point that Singer brought a number of the X-Men crew and cast over with him.... Maybe FOX should not try to jump the gun with X3 so fast... lose too many cast and your movie risks tanking and no studio wants that (and unless there's been fatalities in the actor/actress world as was the case with the Harry Potter series, I generally dislike it when there are "replacement" actors...).
March 16, 2005, 6:54 p.m. CST
Whats going on with the existing characters? Cyclops needs to be recast and I know Halle Berry wants more to do this time out or else she walks. We all know Halle is super hero poison. I realy want to see either Angela Bassett cast as Storm if they want to go for the more mature leader angle or the lovely young singer lady from Be Cool if they stick to the minor Storm role. Also what about Villians?! The Hellfire Club would be ideal. I know I want to see Sentinels and some throwaway villians like Juggernaut or Black Tom Cassiday. Also, I hope they decided to beef up the effects and let those mutant powers RIP. Mulitple Mutants fighting on a Widescreen all using their powers.
March 16, 2005, 6:55 p.m. CST
SAM NEIL FOR BEAST!!!
March 16, 2005, 7:01 p.m. CST
Okay, so I guess I won't mind as much if they keep everything about him the same, but jeez . . .why?
March 16, 2005, 7:01 p.m. CST
And beast too! I'm old school X-men so I love this news.Is casting a female as Angel gonna piss off a lot of you fanboys? I think its a good call visually...a female will really enhance the graceful quality of the flight scenes. Face it guys, they ARE more graceful than us in most cases. I don't mind small liberties being taken with adaptations to the screen.
March 16, 2005, 7:04 p.m. CST
We got a glimpse in X2...Bring it!
March 16, 2005, 7:12 p.m. CST
And the audience started screaming: "YES, HELP HIM, YES, HELP HIM!!!" That was beautiful. I agree: bring him back and expand on the Ice Man, Rogue, Pyro story as well. If we've lost James Marsden and Halle Berry, might as well postpone the Dark Phoenix story and focus on a few other story arcs (keep "cameos" of Marsden and Berry if possible... have them out on a mission or something... maybe even a cameo of Forge). But yeah... Colossus, Gambit, Angel, Beast alongside Rogue, Iceman, Wolverine, Shadowcat, and even Boom Boom... maybe even have Psylocke... dang it, feels like a Claremont issue... I am getting all warm and fuzzy!!!!
March 16, 2005, 7:18 p.m. CST
here's hoping they'll pull through this time. And i've said it many times before: Gambit=olivier martinez (check his picture on IMDB.com if you don't believe me).
March 16, 2005, 7:30 p.m. CST
ANGEL'S A CHICK? What the f! Here's the biggest issue I have with this... If Singer was making this decission, I'd give him a bit of slack after X2, but the new X-crew needs to gain some respect before they start changing characters' genders. With the wealth of diverse X-Characters that are a visually interesting as Angel, I'm not sure why they feel the need to to cut Angel's dick off to include him in the movie. Furthermore more, all they need to do is have a furry Beast, more Colossus, and Iceman ACTAULLY ice up and there's no need for more eye candy. I guess what I'm saying is NO CHICK ANGEL!
March 16, 2005, 7:30 p.m. CST
More women are needed, especially if there is no storm, and a beautiful young blonde angel would look great on screen if done properly. I would like them to keep the Ultimate X-men backstory though were Xavier is effectively paid by his family to take their son off of their hands as they are so ashamed and scared of him.
March 16, 2005, 7:44 p.m. CST
by Trevor Goodchild
Might be an idea to open future X films with a quick precredit sequence of unrelated action. Then we'd get a glimpse of good characters without having to have them explained. A quick Juggernaut opener would be nice. Similar to how the Bond films used to. They already have the X lock at the start which could act as the Bond spyhole. Same goes for Spiderman so villans that couldn't fill a whole film still get to be made flesh (Scorpion, Vulture). As for the plot this time round,has to be Sentinals for me.
March 16, 2005, 7:46 p.m. CST
by Judge Briggs
It's like your parent leaving the house... so you go crazy and parties ...not worrying about what happends when mom and dad come home... but when they come home or as fan boys find out... shit hits the fan.
March 16, 2005, 7:47 p.m. CST
Angel (NOT Archangel) is, and always has been my absolute favorite character in the X-Men universe, and the idea of Warren Worthington III being a girl is absolutely fucking terrible. I understand the need for more female characters, but dont change the fucking genders of pre-existing characters just because. You want to add more female heroes, take out Gambit and add Psylock or Dazzler, or promote Jubilee LEAVE ANGEL ALONE!
March 16, 2005, 7:49 p.m. CST
There are plenty of girl characters in X-men! Don't F**k with Comic Book history!
March 16, 2005, 7:54 p.m. CST
Who the fuck cares?
March 16, 2005, 8:03 p.m. CST
hmmm is James Marsters big enough? He'd fit good maybe? Bah I don't know. Man I'm worried about this pic, I think X2 is the best super-hero pic ever, however with Singer gone I'm not sure if I want a movie as soon as with another director or to wait and make sure it's done right. I guess I want it done now and to come out as good as X2. Is that asking too much?
March 16, 2005, 8:20 p.m. CST
If they bring Gambit in as a younger character (so they can play a love-triangle with Rogue & Iceman), I think Seth Green would look great in a trenchcoat, wielding a staff with those black & red eyes. As for Angel, they better have a good reason for feminising him, there's plenty of X-Women they could bring in. Sorry to hear Marsden won't be around, he made good work with little material. Halle is more than welcome to leave though.
March 16, 2005, 8:29 p.m. CST
If you want more girls in the movie, it's not like there aren't lots to choose from! Jubilee, Shadowcat, Psylocke, Rachel Summers, etc... Why fuck with the canon?
March 16, 2005, 8:51 p.m. CST
Anyone who saw that trippy western knows how bad he rocks as a Cajun Shaman trickster. Give him a deck of cards and let him have at it. Or cast Jesus from the world poker tour, he throws cards pretty good.
March 16, 2005, 8:58 p.m. CST
I guess if they had to screw with any character's sex, it could be Angel. I mean, to the masses it makes sense. But, what made the Singer films so great was his respect for the original material, to the best extent possible anyway. There is nothing to say that the winged mutant appearing in the film has to be Warren Worthington's Angel, maybe its another winged mutant. Anyway, Beast is a solid choice and I am very interested to see how they pull of his acrobatics and not make the damn wire-fu act look like a Saturday at Barnum & Baily's. I'm not big on Gambit though, never have been. Havok would have been cool...or maybe just develop Ice Man and Colossus further. Nevertheless, good to see the film in production.
March 16, 2005, 9:31 p.m. CST
by Trevor Goodchild
If gender means so little to these fucks and Halle Berry does walk, why not change Storm to a man. Snipes probably needs the work.
March 16, 2005, 9:34 p.m. CST
by DAS JANKE
c'mon angel? A GIRL? jesus, you can thank all the marketing-types to this one: they've uncovered the marketing potential of titties. it's just so cutting edge to see people of the penisly-challenged variety on screen now... goddamn, why must we yield to such trendy impulses!!!! what's next, minorities getting oscars!? ....seriously though, i'm stoked. i can finally unleash my secret love for angel without feeling as though i need to slap a rainbow sticker on the back of my car. what i can't wait for is to see a badass film version of a female ARCHANGEL.
March 16, 2005, 9:49 p.m. CST
I'd prefer they kept Angel as a male and maybe brought in Psylocke, and White Queen if they want a blond. However if they do make him a she, it we'll see how it goes. At least a winged mutant will be in the movie, and Angel has always been one of the most visually stunning character. Hopefully they'll keep storm even if Halle goes. There are plenty of gorgeous black actresses/singers who would step into that role in a heartbeat and probably do a better job. While I think Famke is drop dead beautiful, I actually think she's too old for the part. Marsden was miscast from the get-go in my opinion. Nevertheless, hopefully they will fast track the movie, and it'll be even better than X2. Was never too crazy about the Rogue casting either. Beast will be cool, but probably won't be blue. Jeez, I hope he doesn't end up looking like an ape.
March 16, 2005, 9:54 p.m. CST
And bet MONEY that they will name her: Angela. Anyone willing to bet me? I'm Dead serious.
March 16, 2005, 10:06 p.m. CST
he could be Wolverine's succesor as the rougish male lead, should hugh jackman bow out after a 3rd film.
March 16, 2005, 10:09 p.m. CST
by Logo Lou
Angel a girl... I don't care.
March 16, 2005, 10:10 p.m. CST
and NO not in a Harry weigh in sort of way. And yeah, I like the X-men and have been an avid fan of the comics since childhood (note the User ID), flame me as a fan boy if you like. My biggest concern of the moment is the Cyclops issue. Marsden/no-Marsden....if they are doing the Dark Phoenix they HAVE to have Cyclops. I am sorry but the whole tragedy to the story is the relationship of Scott Summers and Jean Grey. Don't lose one of the key elements of this story that made it so great. Cyclops...notorious anal stoic by the book asshole...but the Dark Phoenix saga was the chance he got to show some real emotion and it resonated with the fans. Recasting Marsden is fine with me. Wasn't impressed with him anyway regardless of screen time. As far as the new characters: Great...but the Angel as a woman thing is unbelievably silly. As other posters have said if you need more females in the cast there are plenty of other female characters you can add that will please fanboys and the X-ignorant. Warren Worthington III, billionaire playboy, should not be tinkered with...sorry. And don't screw up the opportunity with Gambit by casting all young WB style. I don't want the Everwood/Dawson's Creek X-men. Have some guts like Sin City and do a comic book right for once.
March 16, 2005, 10:15 p.m. CST
Well, if Angel's a girl, the question becomes whether she'll be a genderbended version of the classic Angel, Warren Worthington, or if she'll be the trashy, fly-queen version that Grant Morrison introduced during his "New X-Men" run. Also, while I agree that they can't do "The Dark Phoenix Saga" without Cyclops, I'm not entirely sure that they can't do Cyclops without James Marsden. He kind of sucked in "X-Men" and had, what, ten seconds of screentime in "X2"? I say give it to some other generic strong-jawed prettyboy. Maybe this time they'll get one who can act.
March 16, 2005, 10:32 p.m. CST
Sorry, just needed to get that out there. It's really the only possible choice, people.
March 16, 2005, 10:41 p.m. CST
by darth sars
apparently he's over on the DC side now with Singer filming Superman... according to that new site www.bluetights.net or something
March 16, 2005, 10:42 p.m. CST
Christ, who am I kidding. As much as I disdain that most retarded mother fucker, I will still be there. But jesus... Gambit? Watch as I barf like a puppet in Team America.
March 16, 2005, 10:42 p.m. CST
by darth sars
my vote is for VENOM!!!! oh wait, wrong franchise... i meant APOCALYPSE!!!! FUCK YEAH!
March 16, 2005, 11:01 p.m. CST
I hope X3 never happens. Fuck you, Singer. Fuck you for leaving us in the lurch while you go make a shitty Donner-retread. You never wanted to comic book movies, eh? YOU SCREWED US, MAN! YOU SCREWED US! Seriously though, this all sucks.
March 16, 2005, 11:22 p.m. CST
Wolverine, gambit, rogue and quite a few others were all introduced as a second team. I think it would be neat if they did a movie without cyclops, storm, and a few of the more annoying cast members (rogue anyone?) to bring a whole second team. I don't like the idea of replacing warren worthington III with a female. If they make a girl, I hope it's just another mutant with wings.
March 16, 2005, 11:24 p.m. CST
I'm the absolute biggest X-Men movie fan around. No one bigger. Nope. And I say Fox needs to get over its May 2006 thing and let this one go. Renegotiate for more time, get Singer back on it, find a way to do it without Gambit. As a wise man once said, "I have a bad feeling about this."
March 16, 2005, 11:28 p.m. CST
All the changes are scary-bad. Now we're to expect a female Angel, a big star as Gambit, and a Morpheus-Beast? Great. I can only imagine that they'll cast Dave Chapelle as Gambit to mirror the awful choice of Richard Pryor in Superman III. They can fire Halle Berry's overpaid ass for all I care (hire ANGELA BASSET you idiots! She's ALWAYS been perfect for Storm!) and Marsden was sort of a non-entity (though they need Cyclops). Why couldn't they bring in other females? Oh, I fret for this franchise!!!
March 16, 2005, 11:28 p.m. CST
... DO NOT ICE UP ICEMAN!!! I can't stress this enough. The number one thing that Singer accomplished with his two X movies is to make you believe that a man can be a mutant. Simply put, the movies have a high level of realism compared to the comics. Having Iceman become translucent would be one big swing of the axe to that established realism. What else should they not do? I'll let my fellow geeks add to the list.
March 16, 2005, 11:39 p.m. CST
by Rant Breath
I'm all for recasting as long as it's an improvement.
March 16, 2005, 11:49 p.m. CST
If there's a fight in a tight space, what's he/she gonna do, molt on the baddie? ("With all due respect" & "I'm just saying" are from a Seinfeld routine. It's what you say when you insult somebody, so they're not allowed to get mad.)
March 16, 2005, 11:51 p.m. CST
by Rant Breath
Female Archangel vs Iceman (with ice armor). Imagine that bitches!
March 17, 2005, 12:02 a.m. CST
Or Magneto's daughter from X-Men #50 (who turned out not to be his daughter after all, or something).
March 17, 2005, 12:20 a.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
The guy is already pretty hairy, Robin Williams too.
March 17, 2005, 12:28 a.m. CST
by Chief J
is pretty fuckin genius. Kudos to whoever came up with that. I was trying to think up someone who had charisma and an edge to him, and you nailed it. I dont even think they should give him a cajun accent, his southern drawl i think would work just fine. I dont think fans would complain about that little change, especially next to Angel becoming a female character.
March 17, 2005, 12:29 a.m. CST
by Mockingbird Girl
I love the idea of Sawyer from LOST as Gambit! And if they would also replace Halle Berry with Angela Bassett, I could die happy.
March 17, 2005, 12:42 a.m. CST
Angel as a chick. Whaevs.
March 17, 2005, 12:50 a.m. CST
This pic from the X-men Legends game http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/xmenlegends/screens.html?page=62
March 17, 2005, 1 a.m. CST
by George Newman
Marsden was mediocre in the first film, with the exception of a couple scenes. His acting went up exponentially for the end of X2. He made me want to see him as the LEAD, the lead for X3!! Cyclops is the Mature Leader of this group, and to throw him out cuz he wants to be Perry White's son in Superman is despicable!!
March 17, 2005, 1:02 a.m. CST
by George Newman
I know you guys want to be upset about him, but really, so what. There are bigger issues to be in uproar about
March 17, 2005, 1:12 a.m. CST
Beast - Glenn Gruenberg (Dry witted slightly heavy set guy from Alias) Gambit - Vincent Cassel (unless they purposely want someone who doesn't really sound French for authenticity) Angel - Don't know, as long as she resembles the trailer trash version form Morrison's run.
March 17, 2005, 1:23 a.m. CST
She's perfect, she even played another character called Frost in Die Another Day
March 17, 2005, 1:42 a.m. CST
by The Founder
The new xmen that morrison took over actually had the new angel as a young girl. she had the insect wings.
March 17, 2005, 2:55 a.m. CST
by The Equalizer
Fcuking arseholes, the lot of em!
March 17, 2005, 3:12 a.m. CST
Continuity is key Zak Penn. Takes a fanboy to know this. If you are such a fanboy(and not getting paid to change the characters gender "because Laura Shuler-Donner asked me to") you would keep the character as Warren, not some blonde floozy with minimal knockers and wings. Marvel's ULTIMATES have ruined Marvel film/cartoon continuity for the unforseen future.
March 17, 2005, 4:05 a.m. CST
by Voice O. Reason
You're kidding, right?
March 17, 2005, 4:27 a.m. CST
Watch him in Tombstone... Big(ish) name... right look.... enough said.
March 17, 2005, 4:33 a.m. CST
There really is no other alternative.
March 17, 2005, 4:33 a.m. CST
The only way you could get a good Van or performance is if Tarrantion felt like ressurecting their careers and please, Val would be crap. Hopefully one day we will see wolverine smashing his way to the top of a sentinal!
March 17, 2005, 4:37 a.m. CST
No Im not. And it breaks my heart at how underused he is. Honestly, ide rather see them do the original angel and fuck it up than get some whorish female version.
March 17, 2005, 4:49 a.m. CST
Now raise your goblet of rock!
March 17, 2005, 7:11 a.m. CST
Hmm. Where to start? I know one thing. I'd rather wait a couple of years longer for Singer to do it after Superman than have Matthew Vaughn do it. Then again word is Layer Cake is a well put together film. But lets face it, X-Men 2 was tremendous. And it's going to take a hell of a film to top that. The law of the sucky threequel will continue I fear :(
March 17, 2005, 7:41 a.m. CST
Look at his capoera movements in Oceans 13. He's got the bode, the movies and the accent. Also the acting chops with it. But they'll probably get the guy that got Kylie up the duff (the frenchie in SWAT btw). Sam Neill for Beast sounds interesting though. I think they'll cgi the big blue fella.
March 17, 2005, 7:43 a.m. CST
he's got the body the moves and the accent. Sheesh!!
March 17, 2005, 8:22 a.m. CST
Okay, I know I shouldn't really care, but why not at least keep the continuity within the movies themselves. Okay, okay - Angel moving from the comics to the big screen changes sex - FINE (pussy character anyway - wings?!?! that's it?) - BUUUT, if in saaaaay, X-Men 4, they suddenly made him into a guy, well that would make no sense. PRECISELY my point. Hank McCoy already appeared in X-2. Cast the SAME guy. At least maintain the continuity within the films themselves. If they never intended for Steve Bacic to be Beast, they should never have cast him in such a major role, and then treated the appearance as a throwaway cameo. Don't even get me started on Billy Dee not being Two Face (ha ha - see, I know how to not take myself so seriously). BUT REALLY, Hank was ALREADY in X2, GODAMMIT! ARRRRRGGGGH! BLLEEEAAAHH! RAAAAAAHH!
March 17, 2005, 8:33 a.m. CST
by jasper Stillwell
..I always wanted to see Bobby, Hank and Warren 'riffing' off each other and doing 'dumb guy stuff' in these movies like back in the old Kirby/Lee comics, so I see them as somehow becoming separate, 'grown up' and established away from the school itself?...this new female dynamic might mean that this won;t happen in quite that same way. A missed opportunity in my book, maybe an X-Factor movie might not be a bad idea possibly on this? I think also re-casting Marsden and Berry isn't the worst thing that could happen quite frankly to this, but Gambit??? There is nothing happening or doing with this character that can't be addressed within a Wolverine story arc. He's a very thin idea and a waste of cinematic space. Our main problem is Matthew Vaughn. Nothing I have seen suggests so far that he is the man for the job. This does not bode well and does rather point to the fact that Marvel appear to be flubbing the ball here a little too often...
March 17, 2005, 8:42 a.m. CST
Yeah, I'll second the sentiments that the X-MEN franchise is going to turn to shit if this crap like this is going on. And if they make this big of a change to one of the original X-Men, who knows what else is going to be fucked up. I'll bet, though, this move was deliberately done to generate some controversy and extra buzz.
March 17, 2005, 8:44 a.m. CST
She had weird butterfly wings or something. Well this is f'ing stupid. Is it simply to balance out the male/female thingy or what? Are people that insecure they won't be able to watch a film where men outnumber women? FUCK THIS UP THE POOPER. Angel had this great backstory and now they're going to forfeit it over something as lame as accusations of sexism.
March 17, 2005, 8:47 a.m. CST
The movie will probably be 90 minutes tops, jam packed with action and effects, quick, directionless story, anti-climactic, campy, ala Jurrassic Park III. They will go to a quick buck format. They might as well let that goon they got to direct AVP, Resident Evil to direct and comple
March 17, 2005, 8:48 a.m. CST
tly ruin the franchise. Out here.
March 17, 2005, 8:49 a.m. CST
He was portrayed as this vacuous playboy brought down by the manipulations of Apocalypse- remember his wings getting ripped out and being replaced by the metal ones. I hope they're not bringing in the Morrison Angel though. She was a terrible character and thos butterfly wings will look a whole lot worse than feathers.
March 17, 2005, 9:20 a.m. CST
What kind of crack is Marvel smoking to make the decision to make Warren Worthington III a girl? I daresay I'd rather prefer they make him African American as opposed to changing his gender. Of course my imagination is going into overdrive here but maybe Angel is a totally different character and they have Warren start off as Archangel with the metal wings and all.
Dump Halle Berry. PLEASE! I'd rather see Nathan Lane as Prof X than have to stomach her getting a 'larger' role in X3 - so so us all a favour and delete her!
March 17, 2005, 9:34 a.m. CST
please please please DO NOT use any of the TV girls (from Buffy/Alias/etc.) as the female Angel. Use an unknown, or atleast a good actress.
March 17, 2005, 9:37 a.m. CST
by Lone Fox
Except possibly Banshee. Use some of the New Mutants for the love of fuck.
March 17, 2005, 9:40 a.m. CST
Vincent Cassal as Gambit would blow! Sorry, I thought he was a lame-ass pussy in Ocean's 12. I don't want a dancing Gambit, sorry. Besides, he is going to have to be young in order to play the Rogue romance card (pun intended). So look for someone in their early 20's who looks about the same age as Ice-man.
March 17, 2005, 9:45 a.m. CST
Can't wait to see Rosario in Sin City...she'd make a good Storm
March 17, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST
Give the metal Russian more that a fucking bit part. Just from a drama standpoint he a great character
March 17, 2005, 10:18 a.m. CST
This is starting to sound like character overload. There have been problems in the first two films with the allotment of screentime for certain characters/actors, and this will just exasperate it. Part of me is glad we're seeing more characters (especially Beast and Angel - Gambit, eh), because I'd rather Fox make a huge third entry climaxing with the Phoenix storyline ala Return of the King, and then let the franchise rest for awhile. Things seem to fall apart if you extend things beyond a trilogy in my mind. Besides, with these three new characters, I would definitely expect Halle to walk, b/c there is no way they'll be able to beef up the part enough to feed her ego. The Marsden thing bothers me a bit more, but I think it is all speculation that he won't be returning; I doubt that his part in Superman, which is beginning to film right now, would be big enough to prevent his return (altho I know a lot of you prefer that), and X3 doesn't start filming until June. Me - I'm for continuity, I say keep Marsden if they can. Oh, and I know most disagree with this - but I say introduce the Beast in his human form, then have him metamorph into the blue furry version in an inevitable sequel. This gives you more to do with the character, plus his appearance is just too close to Nightcrawler. As for villains, I suspect they'll stick with anti-mutant government contingent, hence the introduction of the Sentinels, which everyone wants to see. This is what they've been building towards, and to introduce a new super-villain amidst the other new characters they're bringing in, along with teling of Jean's resurrection - again, it would just be too much. Although I can see the working in of Sebastian Shaw and the Hellfire Club into this storyline. That makes more sense than say, Black Tom Cassidy or Juggernaut or Apocalypse, names of heard thrown around wishfully in Talkback. Plus it sticks more closely to the grounded hyper-reality they've developed in the franchise.
March 17, 2005, 10:40 a.m. CST
1. Keep the same guy from X-2 as Beast. Unknowns always work better and you guys know it. 2. I think going into the Dark Pheonix storyline is just too much. They should just let that story ark linger and let it be a what if? for us fan boys. 3. As for villians, Sentinals all the way. Appocolypse is a very bad idea. I like how the X-movies have a tinge of reality to them. Appocolypse would ruin that. 4. Angel as a girl may not be the worst thing that could happen but it is sign that far bigger mistakes may be ahead of us with this new directing team.
March 17, 2005, 10:46 a.m. CST
Right? I mean this does mean he'll be in too doesn't it? His metal slamming was one of the best moments in X2 and it'd be a shame to throw him out there just to pull him back into the background for the 3rd film.
March 17, 2005, 10:56 a.m. CST
but angel as a girl. bah!!!
March 17, 2005, 10:59 a.m. CST
You know, in recent x-men issues there IS a female x-men character named Angel who is a girl. So maybe this isn't THE Angel, but that other chick. distinct possibility.
March 17, 2005, 11:23 a.m. CST
March 17, 2005, 11:30 a.m. CST
first they loose singer to superman and now this? now i'm not saying that this is going to suck (the female angel is a-ok with me- more woman in black leather x-costumes) but for it to rock they are going to have to seriously OVERCOME.
March 17, 2005, 11:37 a.m. CST
...it's still a huge fucking waste. Worthington is a GREAT character, to throw him out in favour of some tits is bullshit. And I agree that we're into character overload now - there were too many in X2 already. Give us the same guy as Beast - big hands and feet, NOT blue and furry - and bring back Colossus to kick some butt. That's the X3 I wanna see. And Vincent Cassel is way too old for Gambit, but how about Vincent Gallo? "We're just mutants... spanning time."
March 17, 2005, 12:08 p.m. CST
by Lone Fox
March 17, 2005, 12:15 p.m. CST
learn how to spell SENTINEL. not such a big deal, but honestly, it's unrelenting........... sheesh. oh yeah, angel as a girl, fine.
March 17, 2005, 12:22 p.m. CST
FASTBALL SPECIAL BITCHES
March 17, 2005, 12:30 p.m. CST
It would be so much better if they could cast an "unknown".
March 17, 2005, 12:31 p.m. CST
Angel (not a fucking girl) should be James Marsters. The irony is just too good, plus he looks like him and can pull it off Storm should have ALWAYS been Iman Beast That's a toughy...I'd almost say Michael Sheen because he's got the voice and he's a morpher. He could do it justice. And I'm guessing it's going to involve MASSIVE amounts of make-up. Cyclops I've always thought they cast him too young. Marsden never did anything for me, and I've never really been a cyclops fan anyway. I always pictured him more of a David Duchovney...but (shrug) He's so bland anyone could do it. Gambit awww yeah..My man. There are two actors who could do Remy justice. Nathan Fillion or Vincent Ventresca. Both of them look like the commic version you've seen. Both of them do cocky really well. And both of them are good actors. A big name is not neccesary. And I'll fucking kill someone if they give that part to Keanu Reeves.
March 17, 2005, 12:33 p.m. CST
Yeah, so Angel and Beast and Gambit may be in X3. I think what we'll see, at least in the case of Angel, will be more of a cameo type deal, like with Kitty, Colossus, and Jubilee in X2. There is just no other way. I have a theory that as the ultimate showdown with the Phoenix in act III comes to a head, every X-Man, and every student mutant that can help avert catastrophe will battle with Phoenix in the end - they'll need the sheer manpower (maybe we'll even get to see a battle in Central Park.) I think that's how we'll see a lot of these characters, just like in the first two films. And I just gotta say - do we really need to see Gambit in this one? I realize he's popular, but what is that character going to add? It seems that his being a fan favorite is the only reason to include him, and I'm sorry - but that alone just isn't enough. It has to be more organic. We already have a mysterious cool-acting brooder - Wolverine. We don't need another character to do that - at least not in this one.
March 17, 2005, 12:41 p.m. CST
Actually, since Angel will probably be a minor supporting character, it makes much more sense to use Grant Morrison's female Angel. Warren was just another boring white guy unless you really get into his backstory, which they likely won't have time to do given all the other characters. Morrison's Angel is a much more unique character and fairly self-explanatory. She'd be a fun minor character to throw into the mix.
March 17, 2005, 1:12 p.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
They were OK movies, not the masterpieces that people make them out to be. I feel the excitement of finally seeing the Xmen on film makes us blind to the fact that the films are just OK. X2 was "AWESOME" only because X1 was mediocre. It's the same set up for both films. They get introuble, Logan saves the day, but before he does he bitch smacks a crazy female villain. Big whoop. The last part of X2 had the opportunity to solve the problems they were presented with by using their powers as a teem. But no, they are Wolvie films. I think that a new director for X3 may be a great idea, but I hope they finally take it seriously. When the 90's Fox Saturday Morning cartoon is better than your film, you have issues.
March 17, 2005, 1:20 p.m. CST
I don't think we'll see all of these characters introduced. Sure, maybe they are included in the Zak Penn draft that these spies have read, but more than likely one or more of these characters will be excised before production begins - just like on the previous films. Plus, if Matthew Vaughn is directing (still no announcemnet), he will most likely bring in a co-writer to tailor things to what he wants, and they may or may not include some of this more "incidental" characters. I imagine Fox will budget this in the $150 million range. A lot of that will be going to higher salaries for returning stars and an fx budget to bring the Phoenix story, and if-included Sentinels to the screen. "What, we don't have money for a cg-enhanced Beast? Bye-bye, Hank. We can give his lines to Professor X." And that is how it will probably go. I also think that they'll finally give fans a Danger Room sequence, since everyone has cried foul that it wasn't included, and in fact cut a the last minute in previous films. There goes some more of your budget. And this sequence would be their opportunity to again include secondary character appearances, like Angel, in a scene, simply training. Again, just a theory, but it seems sound.
March 17, 2005, 1:28 p.m. CST
That dude Josh Holloway from Lost should play Gambit.
March 17, 2005, 2:36 p.m. CST
A few weeks ago while watching Lost I exclaimed that Sawyer would be IDEAL for Gambit. Give him a bit of a dye job and he's there.
March 17, 2005, 2:38 p.m. CST
Seems like making Angel into a woman is the moment where the X franchise jumps the shark.
March 17, 2005, 2:43 p.m. CST
by Trevor Goodchild
http://img4.exs.cx/img4/3066/Beast-.jpg Think they need to get away from Beast just looking like a Nightcrawler/Wolverine hybrid. Needs to be more animal than man.
March 17, 2005, 2:50 p.m. CST
Again, before anyone jumps to the jump to conclusions mat, more likely this means they'll be using Fly Girl from New X-Men, who's a girl with wings atht flies. If they call her Angel, its irrelevant, because the character IS Fly Girl, not a castrated Worthington. It's stories like that that make people question how much geek cred AICN really has.
March 17, 2005, 3:11 p.m. CST
by Trevor Goodchild
March 17, 2005, 3:14 p.m. CST
by Childe Roland
...if these are true rumors. Angel as a girl kind of blows from a fanboy standpoint, but Angel's always gotten the shaft in adapted properties. He doesn't even appear in X-Men Legends (the video game) and he didn't show up in the 90's cartoon except as a way into the Apocalypse story. So let them have a girl called Angel. No biggie. The Beast could be a cool addition, but unless they focus on his intellect he'll be pretty Nightcrawler redundant. Gambit has never been my favorite X-Man, but if they start him out as working for the heavy and then have him swing Xavier's way in terms of loyalty, he might be worth having in the mix. But they better damn well give Colossus more to do in this one. He was easily the coolest visual element of X2 and needs to be in some protracted fight sequences. And with all of these characters in the mix, I think it would be a good thing to have Cyclops gone. And Jean Grey, too. At least for most of the movie. She's dead... he's off in mourning... easily explained. In fact, maybe Wolverine's off in mourning at the beginning, too, but Storm (preferably played by Angela Basset) seeks him out to help her lead this largely new team of X-Men against Apocalypse, who's abducted Rogue. You see, Gambit infiltrates the mansion in the pre-credit sequence to let the X-Men know what's happened to Rogue, but they don't know if he's in on it or not. So the team (Storm, Wolverine, Iceman, new Angel, Nightcrawler and Colossus), supported by Beast and Prof X, follows Gambit to what appears to be an ambush/square off against the Horsemen (Death revealed as Sabretooth, Pestilence revealed as Pyro, Famine revealed as Rogue, and War revealed as Cyclops). Then, if you really want to set it up for a fourth film (and why the hell not?), you just reveal that Gambit wasn't actually working for Apocalypse the whole time but for a guy named Sinister, who unleashes Jean Grey... powered up to Phoenix levels... from some sort of stasis chamber at the film's end to defeat Apocalypse. She can seem all fine after that and be happily reunited with Cyclops, which honks off Wolverine, who leaves quietly after noticing that Sabretooth's body is missing(cue production of the Wolverine spinoff movie), before Prof. X offers Gambit a place on the team and the credits roll. But look out, because in X4, Cyclops comes running to the mansion because Jean's acting all funny...
March 17, 2005, 3:54 p.m. CST
Singer gone, too many characters added to team, girl Angel, where's Nuclear Man and Jon Cryer?
March 17, 2005, 4:08 p.m. CST
I think a female Angel is pure shite! Stick with what the geeks know and love, for Jebus' sake! And Cyclops must be in the movie if it's gonna be the Dark Phoenix saga, no exceptions! As to who plays the part, how about Orlando Bloom? (Heh. couldn't resist)
March 17, 2005, 4:28 p.m. CST
Here's the link: http://filmforce.ign.com/x-men/articles/596/596852p1.html According to a follow-up with their insider, Angel is a male, not a female. Beast will be in his transformed state, and Gambit will only play a minor role. Also said that Cyclops does not play a major role (wha!?). And they confirmed Vaughn as the director. I still say that all of this is tenuous; characters will be dropped, changed, etc. as Vaughn and another writer take a stab a t a draft they want to shoot in the upcoming month or two, and this re-writing will continue on into production, a technique employed on the first two films. I still vote for human-form Beast, no Gambit, and bigger role for Cyclops. Looks like the powers at be disagree.
March 17, 2005, 4:34 p.m. CST
The same thing that happens to everything else... /Just sayin. //bring on Angela Bassett
March 17, 2005, 4:39 p.m. CST
I don't give a red rat's arse about the comics, so this is all cool news to me. No one will drop the ball, this film will kick ass, and I'll be too busy watching it to listen to you whiny cry-baby fan boys wah on about the fact that Wolverine has a hair out of place.
March 17, 2005, 4:40 p.m. CST
Haha, that would be hilarious.
March 17, 2005, 4:51 p.m. CST
The fact that Angel will be female hasn't "killed" this franchise - what a lame thing to say! A shit script, wack acting and diabolical direction could kill it though - so can we avoid those things please?
March 17, 2005, 5:24 p.m. CST
by Everett Robert
ok..here's my thoughts on X3...open with a non muntant Hank McCoy(Oliver Platt) working in a lab, explosion, Pyro, Gambit, Toad (yes Toad...we find out that he's brain has been totally scrambled after Storm's little lightning bolt, use him for comic relief) they knock Hank out after he tries to fight, steal the anti-mutigian Hank's been using and working on to kepe him normal for the past 20 years. Pyro begins torching the place to destroy Hanks work and Hank himself...suddenly and icy wind blows in putting Pyro out, Ice waks in (not in the black leather though, Ice armor maybe, but I'm not a HUGE fan of that), Rouge in the black and green and yellow, and Colossus. Gambit and Rouge share a look, bobby gets jealous. Colossus picks up hank and they run out as the building explodes...opening credits the X-Logo opens in on the Danger Room with Jubes, Angel, Nightcralwer and I don't know..Morph or somebody in the danger room just dogging and fighting obstacles and stuff, nothing big but a nice little demnstratin of powers. Ice, Rogue and Col. drop off Hank at the X-Mansion where we find out that a)they pulled a Wolvie and went AWOL looking for Pyro b)Cyclopes and and Wolves have been gone since Jean's death, etc. c) Magneto stole Hanks formula to reverse it to try and his muntant world sceme again. Hank mutates and Storm finds Wolvie and Beast (semi-furry, hands and feet, keep the glasses)leads them to New Orleans were they meet up with Gambit who says he's sick of Mags and agrees to lead them to him. this is just a set up...I know they are determined it seems to do Dark Phoenix but they could put this on hold to finish the Magneto arc they've been working on and then they could do Dark Phoenix....we could have Prof X and Mags the chess masters, Mystic and Beast leading the team and then pit the others against the brotherhood <firstname.lastname@example.org>
March 17, 2005, 5:49 p.m. CST
Beast should be played by Sam Neil. The Man has a soft sophisticated voice, I imagined Dr. Alan Grant from JP to have the same demeanor as Beast would in a live action X-Men flick. And lets hope he is not the futher evolutionized dog faced Beast, but instead the Ultimate X-Men version, as that looks like a great update of Beast, suitable for a movie. Gambit is a tough one, but I envision Christian Kane (Lindsay from TV's Angel) to look the part, but I do hear fans screaming Vincent Cassel and I like that idea too. Angel can be a female, but for the love of christ lets hope they stick with traditional blue skinned blonde haired rich person. And feathered wings, unless they intro Apocolypse or cause Angel to sway side in the movie. Cyclops can be recast, thats is Marsdens fault for dropping the ball. Cyclops is impertive to the Dark Pheonix saga and would have given Cyke more screen time this time out. No need to drop that storyline. Storm can be recast as well, but she won't be missed if you drop her too. As for Villians, once again I stress that their should be some throw away villains, eithe rin a Danger Room sequence, or as petty criminals the X-Men stop as an intro to the film. I suggested earlier a Bank heist by Juggernaut and Black Tom stopped by the X-Men, but allowing introductions to the new characters and re-accquaintences to the older ones. And The Hellfire club would be ideal for a Dark Pheonix story, Shebastion Shaw, Emma Frost, Pyro, and Mr. Sinister would be cool. Almost like an upper crust Brotherhood.
March 17, 2005, 5:57 p.m. CST
I hope it's not that terrible Angel character from Grant Morrison's run on New X-Men. Oh that would suck much ass. As for Beast and Gambit, I don't know, it seems like they're only giving the fans what we want, instead of servicing the story. Granted, we don't know what the story is, but we'll se...
March 17, 2005, 6:44 p.m. CST
Fanboys who say "Don't make Angel a chick, there's plenty of chicks already in the X-universe", and the best they can come up with as examples are either a) second-rate Jean rip-offs like Psylocke and Emma (year, another female psychic, that'll play well), or b) unspeakably lame (Dazzler? People are seriously suggesting Dazzler???) If you really want to make a case against the gender switch, suggest a *plausible* alternative female mutant.
March 17, 2005, 6:57 p.m. CST
by Voice O. Reason
I like it!
Cyc is easily the most recastable of the bunch, I dont think anyone will miss Marsden's chin, though the cheekbones are a hard loss. If the female angel thing is correct, she is probably the alternate in case Halle doesnt come back (an earlier interview said the script was being written with the idea in mind that a different role could easily replace Storm with little-to-no rewrites.) Gambit and Wolverine together makes a little too much antihero soup IMO, so unless they're putting Remy on the villain's side or looking to get rid of Hugh in the next film, I think its too early for him. (this coming from a HUGE Gambit fan.) Beast should be grey or brown, we got too much blue already with Nightcrawler and Mystique, Hes a natural replacement for Jean to play the 'heart' of the x-men though. What I would really like to see though is Rogue do a little leaching on Juggernaut in an opening action intro. Goes a bit too far and Cain ends up in a coma, with Rogue learning to deal with her new superstrength and (rather than flight) hulk-like leaps. Oh, and back to the storm thing, Im sure shes a very nice person, but Fuck Halle, she is terribly unfit for Storm and bitching to get a few more throwaway lines is no way to gain respect.
March 17, 2005, 7:32 p.m. CST
A girl angel!!!...what are they nuts?!?!...I hate it already...I'm so sick of the way these Hollywood pukes constantly think they must fuck with the characters...IF IT AIN'T BROKE..DON'T FIX IT!!! Although I've come to accept the younger teenie bopper cast..I would have much more preferred a more mature cast...they nailed Prof.X and Nightcrawler...I would have liked to see Iman as Storm and I think Harvey Keitel would have rocked as Wolvie...as far as Gambit goes...Pierce Brosnan is now available...unfortunately he wont fit in a baby x-kids flick...too bad.
March 17, 2005, 8:36 p.m. CST
(and bear in mind, I'm skipping past half of this talkback because it's making my eyes bleary, so someone else may have already made this point:) Let Angel be a girl. Nothing wrong with that. It doesn't retcon the "real" comic books. They don't pile them up for a bonfire to keep people from remembering "Hey, Angel used to be a dude". Sure there are other characters they could add, but Angel is one wicked-cool-looking idea, whatever the gender. And after five years of a TV show about a guy called Angel who was basically a superhero, why not differentiate the movie character some? Hell, maybe it's Warren's kid sister. And I say all this as someone who lists Angel as... heck, when I think it over, my favorite X-Man. I was a devoted reader from the entire Claremont run, so I know the series. I hated hated hated the Archangel arc. But this distances itself enough from the "real" Angel that, for some reason, it just doesn't bother me. As long as they Keep Angel blonde.
March 17, 2005, 8:41 p.m. CST
I really think that Angel should be played by Scarlet Johannson. I don't really know that she'd do well in the part, I just know that I'd love to see her in some tights. I'd pay eight bucks just for that. Also, I heard Angela Bassetts name mentioned a few times in regards to replacing Halle Berry as Storm. I don't really think that's a good idea. Angela is a fine actress but I think she's a little too old to replace Halle. How about a relative unknown actress with a genuine African accent? I think that would add to the international feel that the comic has always had. Just thinking out loud.
March 17, 2005, 8:52 p.m. CST
by Judge Doom
Give me that and I
March 17, 2005, 9 p.m. CST
ARE YOU CALM, DAMMIT?!? Good. IGN says Angel is indeed a guy. http://filmforce.ign.com/x-men/articles/596/596852p1.html
March 17, 2005, 9:24 p.m. CST
Didja see her with those wings in Angels in America?
March 17, 2005, 10:32 p.m. CST
The key to avoiding trouble with this third movie is to simply respect the fans and the original source material. That is what Singer did, and that is the main reason the first two films did so well. If the filmmakers ever seriously considered making Angel a female, that is an indication of a real problem with the thought processes of whoever is in charge of this film. Be true to the spririt and form of the comics; that is your best guide to these sort of superhero movies. Other points: as many other posters have pointed out, you can not do the Dark Phoenix storyline without Cyclops in it, front and center. Also, try and stick with earlier, classic X-Men characters. It is too soon to go to later characters; use the classic Claremont era characters and storylines. Do not rely on later stuff until you have throughly exhausted the classic early X-Men. Fans want to see the Beast, Colossus and Fastball Specials with Wolverine (the Colossus cameo in X2 was one of the greatest moments in that film, for fans and otherwise). We want to see the Danger Room, Sentinels, the Hellfire Club, and Dark Phoenix. That is plenty of classic material for several more films. Keep Cyclops as the nominal leader in the next movies; losing that character changes the classic nature of the team on film; Cyclops was always there in ALL of the classic storylines; just because the original actor is leaving to work with Singer on Superman is no reason to get rid of the character for the third film. Angel should NOT be recast as a female. There are plenty of other female characters in the X-Men universe that can be brought forward, if there is a need for more females. Try Shadowcat/Kitty Pryde or Jubilee (both of whom have made cameos already in the first two films. The Kitty Pryde and Colossus romance storyline could be a good sub-plot, so maybe bring both of those characters forward. If Storm is to be recast, perhaps try Thandie Newton. Is Ian McKellan going to reprise his role as Magneto? If not, try Rutger Hauer, who is a look-alike for the comic-book Magneto, and who is also a genre-film fan favorite. If Gambit is being brought in, make him of a young enougfh age so that he can romance Rogue (played by Anna Paquin) in a love triangle between her, Gambit, and Iceman. These types of romantic sub-plots are somewhat important for continuity, since many X-Men fans are females (I believe that there are a greater number of female fans of the X-Men than of many other comics; the teen-age soap opera elements in many of the comics are part of the reason for this, I think). In any case, the key to being successful with this third movie, and the entire X-Men franchise, is to be true to the essence and spirit of the original comics. If the filmmakers gave seriosu consideration to the idea of a female Angel, this indicates that they do not have the proper frame of mind. Hopefully they will respond to fans concerns, and make this movie and the rest of the franchise successful, by sticking close to the original, classic X-Men comics.
March 17, 2005, 10:37 p.m. CST
The key to avoiding trouble with this third movie is to simply respect the fans and the original source material. That is what Singer did, and that is the main reason the first two films did so well. *****If the filmmakers ever seriously considered making Angel a female, that is an indication of a real problem with the thought processes of whoever is in charge of this film. Be true to the spririt and form of the comics; that is your best guide to these sort of superhero movies. *****Other points: as many other posters have pointed out, you can not do the Dark Phoenix storyline properly without Cyclops in it, front and center. *****Also, try and stick with earlier, classic X-Men characters. It is too soon to go to later characters; use the classic Claremont era characters and storylines. Do not rely on later stuff until you have throughly exhausted the classic early X-Men. Fans want to see the Beast, Colossus and Fastball Specials with Wolverine (the Colossus cameo in X2 was one of the greatest moments in that film, for fans and otherwise). We want to see the Danger Room, Sentinels, the Hellfire Club, and Dark Phoenix. That is plenty of classic material for several more films. *****Keep Cyclops as the nominal leader in the next movies; losing that character changes the classic nature of the team on film; Cyclops was always there in ALL of the classic storylines; just because the original actor is leaving to work with Singer on Superman is no reason to get rid of the character for the third film. *****Angel should NOT be recast as a female. There are plenty of other female characters in the X-Men universe that can be brought forward, if there is a need for more females. Try Shadowcat/Kitty Pryde or Jubilee (both of whom have made cameos already in the first two films). *****The Kitty Pryde and Colossus romance storyline could be a good sub-plot, so maybe bring both of those characters forward. *****If Storm is to be recast, perhaps try Thandie Newton. Is Ian McKellan going to reprise his role as Magneto? If not, try Rutger Hauer, who is a look-alike for the comic-book Magneto, and who is also a genre-film fan favorite. *****If Gambit is being brought in, make him of a young enough age so that he can romance Rogue (played by Anna Paquin) in a love triangle between her, Gambit, and Iceman. *****These types of romantic sub-plots are somewhat important for continuity, since many X-Men fans are females (I believe that there are a greater number of female fans of the X-Men than of many other comics; the teen-age soap opera elements in many of the comics are part of the reason for this, I think). *****In any case, the key to being successful with this third movie, and the entire X-Men franchise, is to be true to the essence and spirit of the original comics. If the filmmakers gave serious consideration to the idea of a female Angel, this indicates that they do not have the proper frame of mind. Hopefully they will respond to fans concerns, and make this movie and the rest of the franchise successful, by sticking close to the original, classic X-Men comics.
March 17, 2005, 11:36 p.m. CST
wheres he been lately? I hope they cast him as a mutant!!!!!! And Nick Lachey needs a role too!!!
March 17, 2005, 11:49 p.m. CST
Superherohype.com is reporting that the male Angel rumor was just that- A rumor. Angel will indeed be male. We can go back to normal lives, now.
March 17, 2005, 11:52 p.m. CST
Sorry. Headline problems. ANGEL IS A MALE. Don't worry!
March 18, 2005, 12:16 a.m. CST
March 18, 2005, 1:32 a.m. CST
I can live with Angel being a girl. I was never a fan of Angel in the comics and this might improve my look on the character. Similar to how I used to hate Nightcrawler until I watched that opening sequence in the White House. Now I think he is one of the best X-Men characters in the movie. We need more Colossus. That scene in X2 was fabulous. Fastball special would bring tears to my eyes. I am in the minority, but I want Marsden back. That sequence at the end of X2 was filled with all the emotion that I remembered from reading X-Men 137 when Jean Grey died. He has to be back in the third one. As for Gambit, he is my favorite character in the X-Men universe and I was thinking Kiefer Sutherland, but Guy Pierce was a good choice that I had not thought about. And I like the idea of Sam Neill as the voice of Beast. That could work nicely. Dark Phoenix saga would be nice, but Sentinels would be killer if they are the late 70's, early 80's Sentinels.
March 18, 2005, 2:29 a.m. CST
It sounds stupid, but I guess it is just Angel, who's been second-tier for a while despite being an original member. Everyone was clamoring for Gambit and Beast since the first movie was announced so they had to be the next choices, but they probably figured they could fuck with Angel since no one was calling too loudly for him to be in the movie. No one really cared when they changed Mystique, who would've lookied pretty ridiculous in her costume from the comic. At least they have the sense not to try and pull this crap with Beast and Gambit. Though lets hope Gambit doesn't have to wear that pink shirt and earcover thing on his head. I doubt this is the Angel from New X-Men. If it was, I'm not sure what I'd prefer. It's either classic character that's all fucked up or a character that's very annoying, but true to the comics.
March 18, 2005, 4:50 a.m. CST
I've been a huge fan of the X-Men for God knows how long, and Angel was my favorite original X-Man. Bobby Drake, fine...Hank McCoy was fantastic...but there was just something awesome about WW3. He was snobby, and he was arrogant, but he backed it all up. And now that he FINALLY gets added to the cast of characters for X3, he's going to be a she? And it's probably just because the name Angel sounds girly, isn't it? Making Iceman a kid and Cyclops an adult was one thing, because in the original comics Bobby Drake had that kind of impish attitude and Scott Summers was always mature. But if they lose Angel's arrogance and "playboy" nature along with his dick, I'm not going to be a pleased geek.
March 18, 2005, 4:53 a.m. CST
And then I actually get around to reading The_ZeroCorpse's post, and am filled with some relief.
March 18, 2005, 7:45 a.m. CST
by Trevor Goodchild
March 18, 2005, 8:11 a.m. CST
It's either a bizarre sexual position, or it's when Colossus picks up Wolverine and throws him, with great force, at an enemy, claws out.
March 18, 2005, 8:34 a.m. CST
was always my favourite . rara .
March 18, 2005, 9:01 a.m. CST
Hah! Angel was lame and girly until he got ripped to shreds in the Mutant Massacre storyline and then became Arch Angel. This "gimmick" is no worse than Rogue, Pyro, and Iceman all being young kids. Plus Rogue not flying and being super strong. Take a deep breath, because a bad story, not character sex change is what would kill the movie franchise.
March 18, 2005, 11:35 a.m. CST
I could care less about female Angels; what matters is that they do the proper treatment to the Dark Phoenix saga. What we should be hearing is who will be Mastermind or White Queens or Sebastian Shaws or other critical elements like that. I know some major reworking is going to have to happen, but I'm hoping they don't take one of the most popular tales in the X-Men legacy and rework it to the same degree they reworked Famke's hairdo in X2.
March 18, 2005, 3:58 p.m. CST
I always thought we would be great. He's sort of old now but if they're looking for a charming rogue type to counter Wolverine's serious brooding type he'd be perfect. Also, does anyone else think that the sort of human-looking Beast (just big feet and hands) from the early X-Men issues would be kind of cool?
March 19, 2005, 7:47 a.m. CST
Oh, no! They are raping my childhood making this movie. I'll never be the same again! I'm gonna sue! /sarcasm
March 19, 2005, 10:33 a.m. CST
Roseanne as Angel. It's perfect. I'd rather see more Colossus. Gambit was always a wanker.
March 19, 2005, 2:28 p.m. CST
Isn't Hugh Jackman producing this film in some capacity? Why do y'all think he won't have a role in the story? Marsden's role is reduced due to his work on the Superman flick, right? I thought it was a minor role, though... I'm thinking they'll fully intro Iceman as a team member, Rogue will have a few new powers, Storm needs to be recast... (fuck Halle Berry as Storm, anyways...), they already have a Beast cast from X2, Nightcrawler needs screen time, I wanna see Toad back... We need to see a Wolverine/Sabretooth rematch... We need to see Iceman and Pyro square off... There's a lot to do to if they're gonna finish the franchise off here...
March 19, 2005, 5:20 p.m. CST
They already said that Angel will be a guy, as well as, play a major role in the story. Beast WILL be furry. Gambit will be a minor character, as will Cyclops. Which means they really shouldnt do the Phoenix saga because the whole damn thing revolves around Cyclops and Jeans romance. They should just recast Scott as someone they dont hate so he can play a major role. The man is the freaking team leader and he was in the last film for all of five minutes!! I swear, with Wolverine getting his own film, if X3 is another installment of "Wolverine: guest starring the X-men" then i am not even gonna bother watching that crap.
March 19, 2005, 6:27 p.m. CST
Vincent Ventresca would make for an awesome Alex Summers/Havok. Also, yes, please give Colossus more to do, he's a freakin' tank, something the X-men need to fight the Sentinels and/or Juggernaut. As for Angel... hmm, for some reason, I can see David Wenham (Faramir from LotR) as Warren... dunno why.
March 19, 2005, 6:35 p.m. CST
Keifer Sutherland would make for a rather randy White King, aka Donald Pierce. As villans go, I'd love to see En Sabah Nur on film, dunno who could play him though... I'm envisioning mucho CG for him. The actor that was the Mummy in the Mummy would be pretty good, though his name escapes me. Just for sheer lunacy's sake, Keanu Reeves as Arcade, Jack Black as Fred Dukes/the Blob, Sean Bean for Banshee, though should he be a villian, i can see him as a respectable Sebastian Shaw.
March 19, 2005, 6:38 p.m. CST
Imagine if a director actually gave an X-movie, or any comic book to movie the same treatment and care that Peter Jackson did with LotR... *shivers*
March 20, 2005, 4:19 a.m. CST
I bet it is some piece of ass chick like Jessica Alba. I don't even particularly like Angel as a character, but it is annoying that they are arbitrarily changing him just to put some young trim in the film....lame!
March 20, 2005, 7:22 a.m. CST
I have thought this since I saw the cartoon as a child. Kevin Bacon would make an excellent Gambit. Personally though, this movie has alot against it, and I think it will be a challenge for them to pull it off, especially after the cliffhanger ending of the last one, it would be innapropriate for them not to carry on that storyline. And what is with sidelining cyclops in these movies? He's a main X-Man, and they are treating his role like shit. Stupid idiots.
March 20, 2005, 8:05 a.m. CST
by Drunken Rage
In "The Nex X-Men" there was a female character who was like a fly-- she had fly wings, she puked on her food before she ate, she had sex with a chicken-boy named Beak and had a bunch of little flys. She was hispanic, as I recall, and tried to be tough. She was a stupid character.
March 20, 2005, 11:02 a.m. CST
I pout because I care.
March 20, 2005, 2:26 p.m. CST
The comics are gd, but the first two movies weren't exactly great were they?!
March 20, 2005, 2:29 p.m. CST
Angel a girl? Lame. Fucking tards. :)
March 20, 2005, 2:33 p.m. CST
What kind of idiot are you? The movies made a lot of money. Easily enough money to warrant another sequel, and on a side note, it's apparent from this talk back that people care about the series and want to see another one. Get your head out of your ass, chump.
March 20, 2005, 3:11 p.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
I agree w/ waiting for Singer to come back. I never thought X3 would start sounding worse than The Fantastic Four. Male? Female? Who friggin' cares? Don't add Angel at all! If they don't have time to build Cyclops & Storm's characters why would they add a guy w/ wings? And I know its been said a bunch already but if they are desperate for a X-Chick & Dazzler, Psylocke, Polaris, Binary, JubilIee, etc... are out there, you get the point. I also hate Gambit but won't mind him really. I hope his role is as small as Collossus's was in X2 & Collossus is on the friggin' field team and speed-ball-specialin' Wolverine into a Sentinel's face. Get Shadowcat & Iceman (not iced over but definitely using the ice slide. Damn, 2 X-films are in the books & the Incredibles beat them to it!) on the field team as well. And until Rogue is flying & has super strength, get her out of my face or at least spare us the agony of seeing her try to fly the Blackbird. I agree w/ taking the Dark Phoenix story slowly. Maybe just the return of Jean w/ Phoenix powers in 3 & Dark Phoenix in 4. Too bad only die hard fans will appreciate the Hellfire club, I have a bad feeling that Apocalypse or Mr.Sinister will be the cause of Dark Phoenix on film.
March 20, 2005, 3:21 p.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
I guess I could have read all the TalkBack before posting. Glad to see another request for the FASTball Special. (Not Speedball, where'd I get that from???)
March 20, 2005, 6:57 p.m. CST
makes some sense, though he seemed too much of a wimp. Make'em act badass for a change or some shit. Turn the head band into a bandanna or something cause that kind of died out in the eighties with Rambo.
March 20, 2005, 7:10 p.m. CST
Big red badass man-tank smashing through shit plays out well in my head. Pit him against Colossus or something. Beast should be gray, so he stands out from the typical blueness of the rest. Angel as a chick? didn't they do that in the later comics where she looked more like a friggin fairy than an angel? Ah well. If they screw this film over I'll be very very pissed off. Damn Warner Bros. and this little plot to overthrow Marvel. Fucking pricks, kiss my ass you looney tuned motherfuckers.
March 20, 2005, 8:53 p.m. CST
Someone had to say it.
March 20, 2005, 10:04 p.m. CST
by Right Bastard
You mean the Angel/Arcangel, who bankrolled the X-men? The one whose mansion they all live in? Is going to be a girl? I agree that Angel was a weak character, but Archangel was incredible. That's really messed up to screw with him...her? Even when Marvel can stumble across something good, they ruin it.
March 20, 2005, 10:19 p.m. CST
by Napoleon Park
Wow, great news. Beast and Angel, plus Cyclops and Iceman. Now if they can bring Marvel Girl back from the dead they'll actually have the X-Men in this movie.
March 21, 2005, 12:30 a.m. CST
by Stan the Bat
I can't imagine what this means. Morpheus brings the hero into the story and explains everything to him- he's the impetus for the whole story AND the Expository Dialogue Character. At three movies into the series, it's a little late for Beast to serve a similar role. Furthermore, Morpheus is a humorless crackpot-prophet type, whereas Beast, as far as I can remember, was kind of a wisecracking doofus. Anybody know how Beast can possibly be anything like Morpheus?
March 21, 2005, 2:58 a.m. CST
But instead decides to keep this story, which is clearly largely speculation of the obvious (Beast & Gambit being involved in the new film) and partly rumour that has been long since debunked on numerous other sites from legitimate sources, and yet here the story still sits, top of the page as if it's real news, with no update on it's bullshitocity. I mean it's one thing to print bs, but it's another entirely to not admit when it's been proven to be bs, and bury your head in the sand hoping no one will notice. You'd get far more respect if you just copped to being wrong, then just moved on, rather than acting as if this is still legitimate news and never updating the story with the fact that it's been debunked. Still, that's just too much to hope for I guess.
March 21, 2005, 7:42 a.m. CST
never bankrolled the x-men. its professor x's mansion. he did, however, bankroll the defenders.
March 21, 2005, 8:13 a.m. CST
He could nail the French Cajun accent since he's like half French or something, and thanks to Alias he's a somewhat big name--though personally I think an unknown did fucking fine with Wolverine. I'd buy Vartan in the role before Sawyer on Alias though.
March 21, 2005, 9:20 a.m. CST
What is added to the character by making him female? Nothing. Besides there are a ton of other female characters that could be used. I'm all for leaving some of the characters out and using new ones. It would be in line with the books and would keep the movies from getting stale. Oh, and lose the black leather uniforms. They don't even need uniforms. I'm usually against change, but I think a younger Gambit the same age as Rogue would be a great idea and the actor should be an unknown.
March 21, 2005, 10:07 a.m. CST
by Lon Bowling
for what it's worth...old-school x-men fan... Bought Giant-size X-men #1 off the stand when I was 8. Collected it religiously until around issue 175 (when John Romita jr took over and Rogue started wearing giant orange sweaters) I still but it when the art's good. I've been hoping since i first saw X2 that xTHREE would start with jean's funeral and that past x-men would return, like Beast and Angel. So I think that's cool. In X2 magneto says something to Prof X about taking in the Wolverine because the professor is afraid of losing another of his precious x-men (or words to that effect). I'd hoped that implied there used to be more x-men and their numbers had dwindled. I hope that's way they play it. Don't care for Gambit but I get that he's hugely popular. there's the generation gap for you. if they DO have the funeral reunion I'd like to see cameos from Banshee , Havoc, and maybe Misty Knight. I just wonder if they're going to get all cosmic with it. probably not.
March 21, 2005, 11:34 a.m. CST
I think JOSH HOLLOWAY would be a fantastic Gambit!! I've been thinking that since Lost started! I'm so glad I'm not the only one. I was thinking that if James Marsden wasn't returning for X3, the only person I can see replacing him is Barry Watson. But as much as I was not very impressed by James, I'd prefer to see him in it. I'm all for continuity. Halle Berry gets on my nerves too. I actually watched the cringeworthy AVP and the only good thing in that film was the lead heroine. She's make a decent Storm. Like many others have said, I wish we could just wait for Singer to get back on this film before they rushed a production of it. X2 was so good, X3 has a lot to live up to. I'm looking forward to Superman but that film already had a fantastic movie made. Actually it's had many adaptations whereas this is the X-Mens biggest mainstream adaptation... this should matter more than Superman.
March 21, 2005, 1:36 p.m. CST
I want to see Gambit is not due to the cartoon. It's due to him being a cool character that has a bad ass power. I would LOVE to see them do the Archangel story because he's another badass neat character. And the effect of him as Archangel would be amazing to see on screen. I've read the comics, seen the cartoons, and played the games. Gambit is cool. I just don't think they need to put a big name into the role just to have a big name. They have Jackman for that. They've already cemented this franchise as being a popular moneymaker. Don't fuck it up.
March 21, 2005, 1:56 p.m. CST
I think that even though he might not be that great a character plot- and action-wise, the characters attitude, charisma and visual style could bring in non-comic fans to the franchise. Wolverine is the best at that, and he's obviously one hell of a character overall too, but also, like someone said - could be good in case Hugh Jackman leaves the franchise. //// Also great that Beast is added to the roster. But I just can't help thinking that should this have been directed by babyface Singer it would have been my most highly anticipated movie of the last five to ten years. His take on the whole universe in X2 blew me away and I couldnt wait for the next chapter. Now I just hope the admittedly talented new director doesnt shoot off in too new a direction. // Off the record: I kind of had a crush on Jubilee in my teens. She is sort of my type and a little bit like some of the crazier girls Ive dated..
March 21, 2005, 2:24 p.m. CST
Sanaa Lathan is just great in Love & Basketball and HBO's Disappearing Acts, charming and radiating in Brown sugar. She's very much underrated, one of the best actresses around.
March 21, 2005, 3:50 p.m. CST
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Gambit was a pathetic character added to the X-titles to appeal to female readers. This plan backfired (and subsequent hilarity ensued) when the gay male readership went through the roof and female readership dropped from 10 (not percent, but 10 readers) to 0 because they thought this obvious ploy was insulting. Now for over a decade there have been male couples showing up to ruin good costume parties as Drag Rogue and Gambit. Let this idiotic "Gambit" character die already! As far as Angel goes, he's always been a weak character too, so if they want to make him a woman, fine. It's hardly going to make or break the story (which is already broken, thanks to Bryan Singer jumping ship to the Distinguished Crapitition). Adding Beast is cool. Now hire back Singer, bitches!
March 21, 2005, 4:02 p.m. CST
...he should be played by Carson from Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Might as well embrace his gay cult following. And Angel(a) should be played by Kim Bauer--aka Elisha Cuthbert. She will merely fill the role of Annoying Plot Distraction as she battles cougars and psychotic abusive fathers. Beast should be played by Jack Black, as one of the other TB posters has stated.
March 21, 2005, 4:35 p.m. CST
there was a FEMALE Angel. He invented her. And Rosario Dawson would be great in the role.
March 21, 2005, 6:21 p.m. CST
why all the Gambit hating is going on. The fact is Gambit has one of the most awesome powers around since he can turn anything into a weapon. But whatever. Also the little ping about there being hardly any female X-men readers is horse shit. End of line...asshole.