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Details About CLONE WARS 21!!
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Harry Knowles, in his heart, loves these Cartoon Network diversions better than the movie prequels. Here’s what’s on deck:
Here's a blow by blow of the first
episode of the new season of Clone Wars. Suffice to
say - its amazing. If you post this, use my alias -
Cru Jones.
The episode begins with quick shots of ARC Troopers on
their Attack Gunship gearing up for war, Rambo style.
They are undetected as they approach the droid
perimeter. After throwing out a few bombs, they run
over some Super Battle Droids, alerting the enemy to
their presence. The troopers dismount, some with HUGE
ASS guns that are more T2 or Doom than Star Wars, and
walk in on Ki-Adi Mundi fighting General Grievous.
They unload on Grievous with everything they have
(including the Gunship) but, despite the reservations
of Mundi, are forced to leave him to save the ailing
Jedi (Shaak-Ti and Aayla Secura) These are the only
two Jedi left from the Episode 20 massacre. Grievous
picks up a lightsaber, puts it on his belt, and as the
Troopers clear a path thru the droids to escape,
Grievous warns them. “Run Jedi Run, you have only
prolonged the inevitable.”
Next, we see Jake Lloyd age Anakin with Qui Gon. They
have much the same discussion that Yoda and Luke have
in Empire before going into the tree to face his
fears. “Control you fear,” Qui Gon says, “You are The
Chosen One.” The scene appears to be a Yoda’s dream
and he’s not pleased.
Wipe to the Jedi Council talking about the threat of
Grievous. “This General Grievous is changing the shape
of the war,” Mace Windu says. Because of the huge loss
of Jedi Knights, Obi Wan (now on the Council) suggests
they forgo the Jedi trails and promote Anakin to
Knight. This is met with mixed opinion from the
Council as they debate the pros and cons of Anakin’s
talents. All of your favorites are represented (Kit
Fisto, Adi Gallia etc. Even a new crazy one that Yoda
names but I definitely can’t spell.) Obi Wan presents
a strong argument however and Yoda overrules.
“Unorthodox young Skywalker’s career has been. So too
will be his trials. Trust in the Force, I do. A
Knight, he shall be”
We cut to Anakin walking among the masses in the
streets of Coruscant. He’s being followed by a black
hooded figure. A quick Jedi move and a flick of the
lightsaber in a dark alley reveals the figure to be
Padme. They kiss, “Across the Stars” plays. They
discuss the problems their marriage poses. “We knew it
would be like this, perhaps things can change after
the war,” she says. Smooth pimp Ani says that she
looks really good in the dark and they make out again.
Their embrace is interrupted by the predictable
ravings of C-3P0 who, surprise surprise, now has his
gold plates. He shows them to Ani in an almost erotic
scene. “In the service of a senator, one must be
presentable,” he says. Anakin thinks it’s impressive.
Most impressive. Obi Wan calls Anakin on behalf of the
Council and he has to leave.
Unfortunately, he shows up late. Anakin, fed up with
being called a boy says to Obi Wan, “As far as wisdom
goes, you’re no Qui Gon Jinn.” Obi Wan is surprised
but agrees. “Not a day goes by I don’t look to his
guidance,” he says. The big surprise, however, is for
Anakin.
Obi Wan scurries him into a dark room, which becomes
illuminated by the lightsabers of the Jedi Council. He
smiles. Yoda says, “By the right of the Council, by
the will of The Force, dub thee I do, Jedi, Knight of
the Republic” and chops off his Padawan tail. Wipe to
3P0 bringing the tail to Padme who places it in a box
with the necklace Ani gave her in Episode 1 as a
slight refrain from the Imperial March plays.
As a gift, Padme gives Ani R2D2, via hologram. R2 is
loaded into Anakin’s Starfighter and he ascends away
from Coruscant, “Across the Stars” swells again, and
we cut.
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Mar 07, 2005 11:22:12 PM CST
Wow, nice report herc. I can't wait to see what happens after th
by orionsangels
Sweet
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I am in full Star Wars souped up mode. The blood is flowing. I lightsaber hand is twitching. It all comes down to May 19th. By the way, when does Clone Wars 21 premier? Thanks.
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That sounds like an amazing Episode. As much as I enjoyed the first batch of Clone Wars (and I'm a huge Samurai Jack fan), I thought it was mostly action directed at bitter fanboys. This sounds like they're focusing a lot more on character development this time around. Flashbacks, romance, and a little coming of age. Awesome news,
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All I know is that the full ROTS trailer comes out on Thursday and I'm counting down the minutes till its released.
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Yeah, you're so jaded and cynical. Sorry, I don't remember having any kind of adolescent sexual reaction to either the Phantom Menace trailer or the film itself, you're on your own there. And Star Wars as a phenomenom has nothing to make up for, especially not to you, so there goes your evaluation. AND you're a complete and total tool if you think Episode 3 is titled "revenge of the empire." And lastly, Matrix Revolutions contains one of the best superhero fight scenes of all time, and was, in actuality, a better film than the already very good Matrix Reloaded. I know, I know, you're an adult, right, and you can't like Star Wars anymore. Go watch Magnolia again and shut the fuck up.
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Magnolia is a good movie. Worship the cock, bitches!
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Mar 08, 2005 8:24:58 AM CST
SITH is going to kick ass. The commerical for the trailer is mor
by commando cody
...And SITH will be THE -- yes, "the" in capital letters -- movie experience of the summer, if not the year. This baby's operating on overdrive. As much as some try to bring up PHANTOM MENACE and the excitement it too initially created (being the first new Star Wars film in ages), I think the excitement over SITH is actually higher simply because this is the one film everyone truly wanted to see: the corruption of Anakin, the elimination of the Jedi, the rise of the Empire, the DUEL, and Vader born. Plus we get Chewbacca back in action for good measure. Hell, everyone I know is pumped up about seeing this -- even my own freakin' DAD who's in his seventies mentioned on the phone the other day that he wanted to see this one in the theater (and he passed on both prequels). There's a tangible feeling in the air that Lucas has delivered and, timing wise, its coming when people really are in a Star Wars mood and looking forward to flooding into theaters for a fun summer movie community experience. So naturally the only ones NOT jazzed about all this are the usual whiners around here who just want to piss and moan about the prequels so they can feel culturally hip somehow for dissing it. Fine, you suckwads -- stay home. Boo fucking hoo. You think we'll miss you? Your absence means zip to the rest of us except the added benefit of shorter popcorn lines.
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"Dammit, threepio, ya metal fairy, I was trying to get some!"---- Lucas, " I never wanted to show the Clone Wars alluded to in the first trilogy. I just wanted to show the boring shit before, inbetween and after. You need to know about the trade route disputes and the Gungans."
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sorry, Commando, I couldn't resist
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You SW bashing twats are really getting tiresome.
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Episode 1: Attack of the Clones
Episode 2: The Clone Wars
Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith
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Mar 08, 2005 11:21:30 AM CST
I can tell a lot of naysayers haven't seen the new ROTS trailer
by orionsangels
Comparing any movie franchise to SW is ridiculous. No other franchise in history has been as big as SW. Just watch Empire of Dreams when the original SWs was released. I mean the world almost stopped. Crowds of incredible size at all movie theaters. C3PO,R2D2,VADER putting their feet in cement. Remember when Matrix & LOTR came out and Neo and Frodo put their feet in, oh wait, thats right they didn't! because it wasn't as big a phemonemon as SW. May the force with be you, always bitches
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Mar 08, 2005 11:25:14 AM CST
Yeah Atari, you little homo. SW naysayers are like fleas attacki
by orionsangels
Go cry now and realize your bad mouthing of SW has acomplished nothing.
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Mar 08, 2005 12:27:35 PM CST
Did you know that AOTC was the FIRST Star Wars movie to not be #
by doom ii
I find that odd. Even Phantom Menace cleaned up the year it was released AND entered the top 5 highest grossing films of all time list. AOTC, although many fans agree it is a better film than Menace, BARELY made 300 million at the (domestic) box office.....Lucas should just make a high budget Star wars animated film. NOT a CGI film, but a traditionally animated Disney-quality film. I would prefer that to the 75% CGI films he is currently churning out. He is basically making cartoons with real actors inserted into scenes.
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Mar 08, 2005 12:50:33 PM CST
Yeah, well, when Spider-Man 5 grosses over 300 mill come back to
by i dunno
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Mar 08, 2005 1:00:34 PM CST
All you prequel-loving fanboys have to get something straight
by miserableraingod
We, those that complain about the prequels, don't dislike Star Wars. We don't think that, in our adulthood, it's no longer "cool" to enjoy Star Wars. We dislike Han shooting first. Why? Why do that? To dumb down a beloved character? To make that character less complex, ie more fully a good guy than a scoundrel at the beginning of his tale, thereby lessening the importance of his character arc over 3 films? To give in to modern pressures regarding gun control or some such, to the point of altering your art from the past (the idea of altering art that represents attitudes of a past era in order to make it fit in better with the attitudes of the current era is absolutely appaling to me!)? Well, whatever the reason, it showed some type of weakness on Lucas' part. So we don't like it and complain. Further, we dislike the prequels that, quite simply, don't measure up to those still- great films of the OT. It isn't our fault that Lucas has given us a double-dose of bland, poorly-written, poorly acted (by Hayden), but effects-laden films to take over all our childhood fantasies of what the Clone Wars were, what Anakin was like, what drove him. It would have been fine, in fact preffered, had Lucas came up with a story that differed from our fantasies...if only that story were good and told in a compelling way. The story that Lucas is telling with the prequels is neither good not told in a compelling way. It isn't our fault that you prequel apologists are willing to forgive any amount of poor film making, just because it has a story crawl, a few screen wipes, and "Star Wars" attached to the title. Some of us believe that Star Wars is made up of more than story crawls and screen wipes. Some of us remember the glory of the OT, and some of us were hoping to have it back in the prequels. As I understand it, in the 70s Star Wars was a phenomenon. There was no phenomenon here, because there was nothing worthy of one. Not in films which were little more than glorified video game and excuses for multiple toy lines. Not in films dumbed down for children. The original Star Wars was not dumbed down, and as a kid I still totally loved it. And as an adult, I still totally love it. Why Lucas decided that for the prequels that kids were the mian audience and that they only like kiddy things, and that adults aren't all that important, is beyond me, beyond us. I love the OT, even ROTJedi and Ewoks, still to this day. I enjoy most of Lucas' 1997 updates. I don't hate Star Wars, and I will never, ever outgrow it. But I also love movies; I know great ones, and I know bad ones. And the prequels are somewhere in the middle, and some of us feel that thats a damn shame. I wish the new movies were better. I wish, truly, that the prequels, as they've been made, could have sparked in me the magic that they've sparked in some people at this site. I envy you prequel lovers, because I was dying to experience that magic again, that magic that you claim to find in these new films. But it wasn't there for me, the movies didn't bring it. For many of us. And even if you feel totally fulfilled, don't you wonder why the rest of us don't? Don't you think it's a problem that Lucas couldn't impress the majority (and we are a majority) of his installed fanbase? That Star Wars still gets 4 stars from the same critics who give Phantom Menace 2 or 2,5? Why is it OUR fault that the movies aren't great? Has it ever occured to you bozos that maybe the movies were lacking something? Anyway, I don't like the prequels. But I'm still looking forward to the third one. But with Lucas' recent track record I'm not going to expect too much. Maybe it will be great. I'm hoping it will; but even if it is that doesn't mean the other 2 are magically redeemed, or made better movies.
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Mar 08, 2005 1:05:49 PM CST
Already got my "STAR WARS: CLONE WARS- Season 1" reserved at Sun
by screenplaywriter
Man, that episode synopsis sounds great! If Grievous can withstand an onslaught from Republic clonetroopers and gunships, the guy can basically survive anything. He's one bad-ass mutha.
I also advise everyone to buy the book "Labyrinth of Evil" because you get more of backstory on Grievous and you find out that Darth Sidious is going to get caught REAL soon.... -
Write a book why don't you? Having scanned your opus, I get the point. The fact that the anti-prequel trolls liked the OT doesn't change the fact that they're going into threads that they know are about the prequels just to bash them with usually nonsensical rantings. That's counterproductive and tiresome, not to mention a waste of time on everyone, especially the trolls part. And calling people who liked the prequels "apologists" is pretty smarmy. I'm not apologising for anything. I just have a different opinion that you. And I think you're looking at the OT through rose colored glasses if you're whining about the PT having sub-par acting and too many FX......My point is this. All these SW threads are about something specific going on with the PT or Clone Wars. No one wants to hear yours or anyone else's overall philosophy of the PT vs the OT. And we sure as hell don't need trolls bleating SW SUCKS! over and over. You'd think they'd be embarassed for wasting their time trolling in a thread about a movie they hate.
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"Yeah, well, when Spider-Man 5 grosses over 300 mill come back to me." Well put.
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...you really are making me a little self conscious about actually looking forward to the next Star Wars movie, what with all your "it will own you, bitches" and calling of prequel critics "homos." Are you all regressing to age 7 through 10 or whatever you were when Star Wars was first released? I was 5 and remember it very fondly. And I've never seen a better sci fi film than Empire (Wrath of Khan comes close). Jedi was a mediocre ending to a good trilogy, at best. But I was bitterly disappointed by the first two prequels. So much so that I didn't even watch Clone Wars until a friend promised me I'd enjoy it (and he didn't lie). But Clone Wars doesn't make the prequels thus far any better. What it has done is rekindled some of the excitement I haven't felt since the opening day of Episode I (when 20 years of anticipation were dashed in the shitpile that was the Phantom Menace). I am looking forward to Revenge of the Sith more than perhaps any other movie ever made... but I have no knowledge or certitude that it won't suck just as many donkey balls as Menace or Clones (which is really only about as bad as Jedi, and neither of those deep throated half as many burros as Menace). It's possible to like some Star Wars movies and not others. It doesn't make you gay or a bitch or anything other than discerning. A lot of you are sounding more like religous zealots than simple fanatics and, quite honestly, you're embarrassing the hell out of normal people who happen to enjoy Star Wars when it's good. I hope none of you are at the screening of Sith I attend, because I really don't want to be associated with any of you if this is the way you're going to behave.
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I agree with you Childe Roland (beware Dandelo!). Except for one thing - I like Phantom better (I'm in a vast minority there). To me, Clones was little more than a live-action video game, no better than Matt Leblanc's "Lost in Space" or the like. I thought Lucas really dropped the ball with Anakin's characterization in that one, as we start to see him fall to the dark side. Hayden just killed him for me. And I didn't like the dialogue in his scenes, either, which is Lucas' own fault.
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Are you able to actually defend your position on the first 2 prequels? As in, articulate what in them you find so great, or how they were such successes (artistic, popular, commercial) on par with the original trilogy? Or are you capable of little more than calling those of us who didn't like them (and CAN fully articulate our arguments) "twats" and "trolls?"
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Mar 08, 2005 3:27:46 PM CST
Maybe if you didn't compare so much "MiserableRainGod" You'd be
by orionsangels
"the glory of the OT" as you put it, is over for SW and even the best made SW movie today would get nitpicked apart, because we live in a different time. A cynical time. You're basing your feelings on the OT on feelings we all had as kids at that time, when it was something fresh and new. In a world that hadn't yet been spoiled by the big overbloated blockbusters of today. SW peaked in 77. Yet i'm not niave, I know the acting is poor in the prequels and they're not as exciting as the OT, but nothing will ever be. I just don't let it bother me as much as it bothers you, yes perhaps I am forgiving, but i'm also not holding on as tight as you are. I've simply let things go. I take the movies for what they are, sort of like the past in real life, it's not all good and you wish you could change the crappy parts, but you can't and you accept it. I actually enjoyed AOTC and thats not denial, not as much as the OT films, but I got into Obi-Wan's character and story arch. Hayden was horrible, but i got thru it. Now TPM is another story. I'll be honest it's boring to watch today, but it's part of SW and that's that, why fight it? You can't win MiserableRainGod, the more you strike Lucas down, the more powerful he will become.
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Ok, why do I like the prequels. The story. I said it, the story. The Machivellian way Palpatine rises to power is a lot more intelligent than people give it credit for, and has relevance in the real world. The acting? I think it's a toss up. Natalie and Hayden had some clunky moments but Ewan, Ian, Lee, and Neeson are great. I don't recall Hamill and Ford being great thespians in the OT. Dialogue? This is where I think a lot of people just don't get it. Yes, Anakin's dialogue to Padme was painfull. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. The guy isn't James Bond. He's a kid raised by virgins trying to talk to a senator that h'e been thinking about for 10 years. He's going to say embarassingly trite things to a girl way out of his league. Too many FX? I have no problem with the amount of FX in the fillm. I thought they blended with the live action very well and made the SW universe more interesting by creating worlds that couldn't have been done with regular sets. Ok, TPM was a little too kiddie. Lucas was going for a sharp contrast between it and Episode III and may have gone a little far. But seeing the trilogy as a whole, Episode III is so dark that it will balance out. As for saying that it looked like a video game, I don't know how to respond to that. Every Star Wars movie can be distilled into a video game. And don't try to say that the OT had more human drama because it didn't. Anyway that's my opinion, that's all it is. I repeat my statement that these threads are about specific topics. The prequels suck, Star Wars sucks, everything not directed by Peter Jackson sucks. We get it. We don't need to read it IN EVERY GODDAMN THREAD. So there's my "apology" for the PT. Can I go now?
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You guys all suck.
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Mar 08, 2005 4:25:31 PM CST
thanks for at least saying what you like...but man do I ever dis
by miserableraingod
I just don't wanna talk about it anymore. To get to the topic of this post - I never saw the Clone Wars cartoons because I don't have a hyperspace account, and when they first aired on Cartoon network I missed them all. But I look forward to finally seeing them.
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that you're ultimately unfamiliar with the Clone Wars cartoons and only came to this talkback with the intention of bitching about the Prequel Trilogy. Way to bend the topic to your own uses. Don't like the Prequel Trilogy? Don't go see Episode III. Pretty simple. In fact, have a party for all the Prequel haters you know and watch the Original Trilogy box set on DVD. Oh, wait, that's a major faux pass. You're not allowed to watch the DVD because Lucas changed so much of his own films. Let's see... I know. You can dig that laserdisc player out of the closet, pray that it still works and watch the Original Trilogy on vinyl, uh, I mean laserdisc. You don't have a laserdisc player? What kind of geek are you? Fine, watch the Original Trilogy on VHS, full screen and you can all talk about how great it was when you were ten and not so cynical and jaded.
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I respect your points, even though I disagree with most of what you say. One thing I just can't fathom, however, is how you can say that "most" people dislike the prequels. Where do you get that information? At Rotten Tomatoes, both rate fresh. Both have grossed enough to earn spots on the list of top-grossing films of all time. So how do you get that "most" people are down on the PT? Maybe most people that post on internet sites like this one may dilike them, but that really doesn't count for much when you are comparing it to the population as a whole.
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The Phantom Menace may have been disappointing to some, but can't you at least see that it's 10 times better than nearly every other blockbuster? To me, the main problem with TPM is that the storyline is too disconnected from the Saga as a whole. Like some poster said, it would have been better if Attack of the Clones was modified to be Episode 1... although that's just wishful thinking. I love TPM for just being a great adventure and I like all of Ian McDiarmid's scenes, he's a fucking great actor. Attack of the Clones is brilliant. Takes the large story strands of TPM and goes full speed with them. Just love how everything comes together (although I could have done without Jango Fett, yes he was uber-cool, but why does the universe have to be THAT small?). Anyway, I'm as excited about Episode 3 Revenge of the Sith as I could possibly be. Everything I've seen looks fantastic. Lucas may screw up a lot of kids with this film, kind of like Tranformers The Movie screwed me up, when they killed Optimus Prime. Although kids have the back-up of The Original Trilogy to watch, so they can see that everything worked out ok... except for the millions and millions of people that were massacred by The Empire over Palpatine's reign. One thing I'm dying to see is just how fucked up Anakin gets, both mentally and physically. I also can't wait to get my Clone Wars DVD.
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...what's wrong with a statement like: "The Phantom Menace may have been disappointing to some, but can't you at least see that it's 10 times better than nearly every other blockbuster?" I'll just say that no, I cannot see that even after eating the mushrooms off a five-day-old unrefrigerated pizza. It's a poor movie by movie-going standards and a poor Star Wars movie by the standards set by the Star Wars films that came before (and, yes, even after) it. It was slow-moving, poorly acted, unfocused and gimmicky to the point of feeling like a two-plus-hour toy commercial. I know that folks will argue all of Star Wars has been a toy commercial by design, but Lucas made some damned entertaining movies out of those first two toy commercials and really only ruined the third when he took the kiddie-focused target marketing to the extreme in the third act (Ewoks instead of Wookies for the final confrontation). To hold up Phantom Menace in particular as a great film shows a very narrow perspective concerning the fine art of cinematic storytelling and is really the problem with people who blindly defend the prequels regardless of what they contain. You are lowering the bar for Lucas so that as long as he doesn't take a steamy crap and then rub his shit-smeared fat ass all over the lens, you'll praise him for making a great film. Both Attack of the Clones and Jedi had moments of the whimsical energy that empowered New Hope and the brilliant storytelling that set Empire so far apart, but they were fleeting moments. If he can capture and sustain either for even two-thirds of Episode II, it could be a good movie. But just because something is Star Wars doesn't automatically make it great (just ask all the fans of Star Trek who had to endure insult after injury from Berman and Braga for umpteen years before a network finally grew the balls to pull the plug on them). It's called perspective. Before making sweeping comparitive statements about all of filmdom, you should try some.
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Mar 08, 2005 6:20:08 PM CST
ET will talk to Lucas tonght, show more trailer footage and reve
by orionsangels
http://img85.exs.cx/img85/8205/ep3poster29hd.jpg
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Childe Roland obviously has none. Before advocating that non-haters find some, perhaps you should try to understand what that word means. per
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Mar 08, 2005 6:32:36 PM CST
Dr_Zoidberg, if it's a physically fucked up Anakin you're lookin
by i dunno
...I saw the pics. You won't be disappointed. I hid under my bed and cried for an hour.
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They are top-notch visual storytelling, and they have more substance (much of it mildly subversive) than then OT. But of course, that's just my subjective opinion. That said, anyone who thinks there can be such a thing as an OBjective opinion of (even popular) art (like, "These prequels suck, and you gotta at least admit that they suck, even if you like them") is a total fucking Philistine. The prequels are DIFFERENT than the OT - less fun, more political, less organic, more visually gorgeous. Different, but equal, and in some ways (here it comes) better. AS films, as representations of Lucas's state of mind (and his opinion of THIS country at the time of his making the prequels), they come closer to the definition of "films of ideas" than the old trilogy.
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In 1979 there were like, three theaters in every town, showing two to four films each. With that formula , Soul Plane would have riots outside the theater with sexual favors being traded for places in line. Wow... alot of people like a movie. It was great, but you had a flat theater where kids had to sit up front to see over adults heads. Mix that neckache with mono sound and chainsmoking everywhere. Yeah. DVD's rule.
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a friend of mine is renting out an entire theater and will hold a screening at midnight on the 18th of may!I cant fucking wait!
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BUT I STILL FUCKIN LOVE STAR WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I called the morons at my local Muvico and was kept on hold for ten minutes just to hear some assbag come on and tell me he didn't know.
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This movie will SERIOUSLY kiss ass. Naysayers, talk to the hand! Comingsoon.net has posted the poster. Check out some uber geek coolness... http:// www.comingsoon.net/ news.php?id=8665
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At best the tickets won't be on sale until 2 weeks before the opening. That's the beginning of May.
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This has devolved into name calling with few legitimate points being made. Do the prequels have some embarassingly bad lines of dialogue? Yes. Did Return of the Jedi? You bet. Are there some moments of bad acting/bad line readings in the prequels? Yes. Are there the same in Return of the Jedi? Yeah, and from "professionals" Fisher and Ford. What's with the revisionist history? There were more alien toy promos in Jabba's Palace than all of The Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones. As for Lucas being a shitty director I laugh in your ignorant faces. The man is a BRILLIANT shot composer. Perhaps not on the level of Spielberg (who I'm not the biggest fan of), but certainly more than Peter Jackson (whom I still admire). As far as directing action scenes, there aren't many directors better than Lucas. I'd like someone to tell me how the pod race, the 3 way saber fight in TPM, or the entire arena sequence of AOTC were poorly directed. Also, for you AICNers with actual KNOWLEDGE OF FILM HISTORY AND WORLD CINEMA, there's a nod to Kurosawa's Kagemusha in the first prequel, and to Ford's The Searchers in the second (a film Lucas also referenced in A New Hope). He's not just throwing these things in for the hell of it. There's a lot more going on in these films than people want to give GL credit for because they're just looking at the surface. I'd like to credit Krinkle who pointed out that the prequels have a lot more "substance" to them. The plot and machinations of Sidious are rather Shakespearean. And the comments Lucas is making on democratic governments giving way to tyranny IS subversive, whether you find that laughable or not, considering it's in a family film. But hey, if you think popcorn like Spider-Man has more substance because the surface dialogue is less cheesy, you're welcome to it. Because in 50 years Star Wars will be AS A WHOLE as loved as it ever was. And trendy flash like The Matrix sequels will be discarded for the second-rate kitchen sink that they are.
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Mar 09, 2005 12:02:48 AM CST
Lazarus Long: "As for Lucas being a shitty director I laugh in y
by triumph poops!
I gotta agree on that one. No question about it. If you want to argue the dialogue on the prequels vs. the original trilogy, which has more dorkier lines or acting interpretations, we can have that argument. To me, that's more subjective. But as for Lucas' overall directoral eye towards shot composing AND his eye towards the final edit, I agree with you, Lazarus. Turn down the sound if the dialogue bothers you so much on PH and AOTC. But watching them as silent films, both films ARE brilliantly composed -- I dare say far more so than the LOTR films, the Matrix films, the Spider-man films, the Potter films et al. Amongst modern directors, Lucas' visual sense and his ability to stage action is matched only by Spielberg and Cameron.
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...is this notion that AOTC was a better movie than PM. PM actually had a few good parts, whereas AOTC was 24 frames-per-second of pure pain.
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Mar 09, 2005 7:40:09 AM CST
mrfantasto, I'm not going to read your whole diatribe but I get
by i dunno
No one's asking you to like the prequels or blindly love everything Star Wars. My point is that WE GET IT. We've heard all this shit before and we don't need to hear it in Every.Single.Fucking.Star Wars.Related.Talkback. These talkbacks are about specific things going on with Episode III or the Clone Wars. They're not about whether or not Lucas raped your childhood. No one's stopping you from posting your rhetoric, I'm just saying it's getting old and it's irritating, that's all.**** So by all means, go into every SW talkback and explain to everyone in excrusciating detail why you hate the PT, I don't care. It's just a waste of everyone's time.
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...and you clearly ignored the second EXTREMELY RELEVANT part of the definition of perspective you cited, specifically "The ability to perceive things in their actual interrelations or comparative importance." And you apparently also ignored the point of my post in your haste to attack it and my perspective. All I was saying was that to claim Phantom Menace is a better movie than any other blockbuster out there is narrow-minded and ignoring the relative merits of other films, especially since - even among the devout such as yourself - Menace is largely regarded as the worst of the "good enough because it's Star Wars" prequels so far. And I never claimed to "hate" the prequels as a whole. If you look at the same post you so hurriedly attempted (and failed) to debunk, you'll see that I hold Attack of the CLones in about as high regard as I do Jedi, meaning it's about a third-to-half a good movie. It's hampered by bad performances from its leads and a scattershot approach to story telling, but still had some genuinely fun moments. And in case you missed it, I'll reiterate again that I am hopeful Episode III will be even better... perhaps even three-quarters-to-all of a good film. Because I'd love not to hate it. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings that not everyone loves all Star Wars unconditionally, but you need to pull your fingers out of your ears and Lucas' dick out of your mouth before attempting to rationally argue with someone who's making an even-handed point.
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Nobody reads anyone else's posts because they're so eager to get their worthless opinions in, so we have 50 people saying the same shit, thinking they have an original thought in their head.
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I love how you use "pull... Lucas' dick out of your mouth" and "rationally argue" and "even handed" in the same sentence. And it doesn't hurt my feelings that you don't like Star Wars anymore. What kind of a fan would I be then?
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...my facility with the language, Miracle (it seems you've come a long way toward understanding since your last post). But you still miss the meat of the points I've made in your desperation to invalidate any viewpoint that's not your own (i.e. all star wars is sacred and anyone who doesn't love it all can't love any of it). I really do hope your way of thinking and arguing works out for you somehow. I suppose with your hands clamped over your ears and your eyes closed, it's all good.
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Hey Finch, I don't know if you'll even see this or not, but I wanted to respond to you, since you took the time to write to me. For why I saw that most Star Wars fans don't care too much for the prequels: I have no scientific stats; I guess it's a matter of personal experience. Among my friends I count a huge number of Star Wars fanatics. Hyperspace accounts, cardboard cutouts of Han Solo in their bedrooms, Expanded Universe readers, Trivia, Role-Playing game, knows-everything-about-every-vehicle types of guys and gals. Not a single one of them liked the prequels so far. I also have a number of casual-fan friends (the way I count myself) and not a single one of them thinks the prequels are worthy of Star Wars. Except for right here at AICN, I've never come in contact with anyone who felt that they were great movies, or that they even held a candle to the original, ROTJedi included. I've read lots and lots of professional reviews as well, and whereas Star Wars and Empire are 4 star winners across the board, the prequels, generally, get 2.5 stars. I've never voted at rotten tomatoes, so I can't attest to what it says or how accurate it is...I just know it doesn;t include my vote.
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From what I've read... both the SW PT haters and lovers have got to stop shoving their shit down everyone's throats. Who the fuck cares. I don't care if you hate the movies or like them, cause I only care what "I" like. I loved the OT. I like the PT. I would never say the PT suck! They're well made films, with a hell of a lot of imagination and effort that went into them. They're decent films. But the reason I like the OT more is because of the great characters and the time frame from when they came out.
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Mar 09, 2005 6:13:32 PM CST
"Nobody reads anyone else's posts because they're so eager to ge
by voice o. reason
Quote of the fucking year.
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Mar 09, 2005 7:03:32 PM CST
Jeese. Put these guys in charge of the live-action TV series, to
by riskebiz
Clone Wars season 1 was the best Star Wars stuff since the original trilogy. I have no doubt (from the description above) that season 2 will be more of the same great, smart storytelling. Put these guys in charge of the new live-action series ... NOW.
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Starring Hulk Hogan as a SW PT Basher... "George Lucas raped my childhood brother!"
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but it's obviously hard for sarcasm to translate. Yeah, I really love your "facility for the language." I'd be impressed if we were speaking, but c'mon. Roland you're completely entitled to your opinion, but I think you're just about as wrong as can be. So sorry the Prequel Trilogy isn't up to your high standard of film-making. That makes me glad you're not in charge of anything that I care about. You're being a bit hyperbolic when you state that I'll defend ANYTHING Star Wars. I'm not here defending either Ewok movie or any of the Holiday Specials or the Droids or Ewok cartoons. I'm saying that I'm excited for Episode III. My expectation is that ROTS is going to be a great Star Wars film. I'm betting that I'll enjoy it as much as I enjoyed TPM and AOTC. From my perspective, all five of the Star Wars films are great, and Episode III will be, also. This is different from Batman Begins in that I do NOT get excited by what I've seen. From my perspective, Batman Begins looks shitty. From your perspective, the rubber Batsuit looks "bad-ass." Great!
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