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Lead ENTERPRISE Vulcan Jolene Blalock: 'The final episode ... is appalling'!!
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I am – Hercules!!
Somebody named Rob Salem wrote an amazing piece for the Monday Toronto Star about sci-fi geekdom, and how it feels about the death of “Star Trek” and the rise of “Galactica.” It is fascinating generally, but especially for what “Enterprise’s” wonderful and hilariously candid Jolene Blalock has to say about her just-now-vanished meal-ticket:
There is an awkward silence when the subject of the final [Berman/Braga-scripted “Enterprise”] episode is broached. "I don't know where to begin with that one," she finally stammers. "The final episode is ... appalling."
Rumors persist that we will learn in the finale that the four seasons of "Enterprise" are nothing more than a holonovel being viewed by Will Riker and Deanna Troi on the Enterprise-D.
Read Salem’s entire piece here.
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Like B&B heads on a stick.
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I can't believe geeks are paying 1 million dollars to save this garbage. I mean relax, they make it seem like "Enterprise" ending is the end of the franchise. You just know another ST show is in the works this one takes place 1000 years in the future from generation, but the ships look like the ships in first contact, no this one takes place 10 years before Kirk and the ships look like the ships in first contact, wait for some reason in the 60s ST series ships have smooth surfaces and look bland, wait a show that takes place 150 years before kirk and the ships look like the ships in first contact
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Mar 07, 2005 10:06:59 PM CST
is herc getting all his news from warren ellis' mailing list?
by fantomex
this arrived in my mailbox hours ago
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Mar 07, 2005 10:09:58 PM CST
Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis had better have ONE HELL of a
by boynamedsue
Making them look 25 years older for the TNG series finale.....Simple.........Making them look 10 years younger for the Enterprise series finale......Not so easy to do!
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Mar 07, 2005 10:27:16 PM CST
So they're going the Hill Street Blues/Newhart route, huh?
by terry_1978
If so, keep up the original work.
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Mar 07, 2005 10:28:14 PM CST
THIS JUST IN: Patrick Duffy to cameo as Lt. Commander Robert Ew
by spyguy
...with special guest-stars Bob Newhart, Roseanne and John Goodman, and the entire cast of ST. ELSEWHERE. Oh, and memo to Rick Berman and Brannon Braga -- Hell just called and said the brand-new Tenth Circle is now ready and waiting for you. As luck would have it, you're next-door neighbors to George Lucas and the Director of Programming at the Sci-Fi Channel...
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Mar 07, 2005 10:30:35 PM CST
"But then, being a Star Trek fan has never been about having a f
by dr.bulber
they do have a firm grip on their cell phones - you know, the cell phones made fashionable by captain kirk some 30 years ago. just giving props to the deserved.
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a tag man, that's all I ask.
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The new AICN way is an AICN spoiler BOX around the headline on the main page. Are you blind, man?
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Are you blind? What the hell is the matter with you?! You fucking asshole!!! .........ugh, sorry. This business about Berman and Braga fucking Enterprise over has me all onry.
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Hercules wrote: "an AICN spoiler BOX around the headline on the main page." however the only part of the story that constituted a real spoiler was repeated in the headline on the main page.
Granted, I personally prefer to be forewarned in this case, but it might have been better to have the title on the main page read something like: "Enterprise Finale news" or something similarly non-specific.
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We give away Blalock is in the finale? We give away that there's a finale? I honestly see no spoiler on the main page. Am I having a stoke? Is it me?
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Jolene stating 'The final episode ... is appalling'!! could well be information that the die-hard fan would rather have the choice to read or not. At least that's my guess as to what Tall-Boy was refering to.
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Mar 08, 2005 12:30:48 AM CST
At this point, I'll accept almost anything -- that it was all a
by prof. pop-cult
They should go all the way: In the final shot of Riker and Troi, they turn the camera around and show the production crew of the series and the director declaring "It's a wrap!" Everybody applauds, and Russell Watson sings the theme. It was all just a TV show and here's the dumb schmaltzy song one last time! Roll credits over Watson as he sings. The End.
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Ya know guys, I've never been geek enough to make such a statement, but by gawd, I will follow through if Enterprise gets the shaft this way. I initially was intrigued by the idea, but was put off eventually by the first and second seasons because the show refused to innovate. Then they pulled out the Xindi arc with all the post 9/11 overtones and I embraced it. Coto really put things together I think this year, though I hold it in less esteem than season 3. But this season finale....this "it's all a holo-novel" stuff is bullshit. It's probably Berman thinking he's serving the Enterprise hater's whims by erasing the past 4 seasons as if they never happened in Star Trek canon. His "valentine" if you will to all us talkbackers. If so, that's such a stain upon hours and hours of hard work by the writers, actors and production crew. Basically, Berman saying, "Hey guys, everything you strove to create is invalid. Now, lemme get started on my new movie."
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Mar 08, 2005 12:37:08 AM CST
Sorry, but I still think the Holodeck idea is a good thing.
by noriko takaya
Enterprise is such a monumental cluster-fuck in so many respects that it *needs* to be wiped from the cannon. And then Beavis and Butthead need to be fired. They are fuckups. They screwed up the last three Trek films, two of which bombed HARD at the box office; made Voyager a mediocre reset-button T&A-fest and dropped the ball on Enterprise so badly it got cancelled. And yet Peramount is letting B&B do Trek XI! Why?? What IS their hold over them? Do they have compromising pics of the Paramount execs with al-Queda operatives?! That's the only reason I can think of to let those two dipsticks continue on the Trek franchise in ANY capacity. There is NO inherent reason why a new Trek series - no dumb prequel, but something set AFTER the Dominion War - cannot be as good as or better than the new Galactica. It's all in who's running it. Put someone good like the Reeves-Stevens in charge and the franchise will be back on top. Toppu o Nerae!
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Mar 08, 2005 1:09:11 AM CST
I couldn't see the spoiler tag w/ the site redesign, here's a sc
by tall_boy
My fault cuz I didn't scroll over fully, however from the edge of the frame I could tell it was about Enterprise & Jolene so I clicked away. I'd place the blame 50/50 there. Here's the screenshot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/UltimateThor/nospoilertaggoddamnit.jpg
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Mar 08, 2005 1:23:05 AM CST
Instead of Trek fans protesting outside Paramount gates to save
by triumph poops!
I mean, these 2 have shitted all over TREK for how many years now? Through how many bad episodes? Add 'em all up and it's a MIGHTY impressive shitlist that they've lined their weekly paycheck off of. Both Berman and Braga -- by TV financial standards -- will never have to work again, yet these 2 goons still get to stick around. And now after Manny Coto salvaged the entire year, these 2 morons show up to write the big finale at which point they get to serve a big, steaming helping of FUCK YOU PIE to all the fans yet again. Personally, you always here about diehard fans protesting outside Paramount's gates or their public petitions and whatnot. Last I heard, the FUCK YOU PIE was baking AGAIN since Berman was attached to the new movie in development. Seems to me the diehard fans need to really mount a bigger effort to get Paramount's attention to fire Berman and Braga once and for all so they can stop smelling up the franchise!
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Manny Coto should seize that last episode and re-edit it to something that lets us feel like these last four years were not a waste of our lives. Enterprise won't survive in the rerun realm like its predecessors. And it's sad because the cast is good. Really good. It's the stories that just didn't measure up to the potential. This all makes me sad. I like Phlox, and the much under-used Hoshi, and even Archer and T'Pol. Oh well. I'll just shake my head and move on. May they not screw us over on Star Trek 11.
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I have no hate for Enterprise, so this isn't like me rubbing it in fans face, its just that the whole thing is so ludicrous its impossible not to laugh. If its true, obviously its Berman/Braga's attempt to just abort this whole attempt from ST lore, fine, hopefully their next step is to realize what collosal failures they are and write themselves out of the franchise as well.
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what the hell is your screen rez, 400x200?
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Mar 08, 2005 3:08:04 AM CST
These guys are trying to go out in a hellish blaze of anti-glory
by george newman
They're flipping the table over on their way out.
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Three shows for seven season runs? Are you fucking insane? Sure, you might think they sucked but almsot 20 years of decent ratings and a gazillion episodes is not a "failure." Anyway, I like Enterprise, but ending it on the holodeck either as some sort of "historical documentary" or a "holonovel" seems cheap.
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Mar 08, 2005 3:11:01 AM CST
ugh Herc your a idiot read the spoilers before you put out false
by falcon5768
oh god damnit NO NO NO NO its not that it was a holonovel it is simply that they see this certain event just before the birth of the federation as a holonovel.
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Huzzah and kudos to B&B for their handling of the ST franchise, may their legacy go forth untainted.
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Mar 08, 2005 3:27:31 AM CST
Sorry, SG7, we didn't mean to call Berman and Braga failures...
by triumph poops!
We meant to call them creatively bankrupt, hack writer, utterly incompetent fucking failures. THAT'S more appropriate. And yes, they conned Paramount into paying them to produce essentially 20 years of some of the most bullshit bad TV in broadcast history.
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Mar 08, 2005 3:44:23 AM CST
my screen rez is 800 by 600, at least thats what XP control pane
by tall_boy
I like it nice and big, easier on the eyes. I'm already wearing glasses, don't need to squint any more.
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Holo-novel characters? Yeah, that sounds about right.
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Just Because it is a Holonovel Does not mean That it Never took Place.
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Mar 08, 2005 5:25:50 AM CST
"A smug, blindly righteous sense of entitlement when it comes to
by big_bubbaloola
He really hit the nail on the head. I nearly spat my coffee for laughing so hard. Oh and in regards of the too hot Ms.Blalock: DAMN YOU MIKE RAPINO!!! DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mar 08, 2005 5:36:44 AM CST
It may be easy to write off the finale episode only as a holo-no
by jim jam bongs
However, if it's implied or said outright that Riker played the role of FutureGuy, then all bets are off on any of the events of Enterprise having been canon. The more I think about it, the more I'm afraid that it would fit, conveniently (albeit lamely) to say that Riker was FutureGuy.
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Mar 08, 2005 5:44:20 AM CST
Those of you creaming yourselves over Galactica or Stargate shou
by trader groucho 2
Galactica's been spotty. Props for the ep w/Starbuck trying to break the Cylon (and even that one was predictable), but WTF? Six-thousand survivors and they can't find a single frakking human better qualified to do an interrogation than a fighter pilot? They're making some interesting decisions on Galactica, but I'd like to know if Philip K. Dick is getting royalty checks. Season four of Enterprise still sucks compared to TNG or DS9, but the writing and acting is, on the whole, no worse than Galactica or Stargate (and don't get me started on the Atlantis spinoff).
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So B&B manage to drive millions of viewers away, and then laugh in the face of those who stuck with it by essentially going down the "it was all a dream" road? I think they're not only bad writers/producers, but bad people in general.
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At least they're consistent, right up to the (well deserved) end. Love the holodeck idea but would Will and Deanna really have watched this tripe of their own free will? Were all the other holodeck programmes wiped by some freak quasi-metaphasic annular shift resonance burst?
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Mar 08, 2005 6:27:46 AM CST
After giving it some more thought, I'm giving Berman and Braga t
by prof. pop-cult
Maybe the holodeck revelation isn't going to be used as a twist end for the final scene in the finale but, instead, as a plot twist that is revealed early on. We know that the last three episodes comprise an arc. So Part 2 will probably end in a life-or-death cliffhanger. Part 3 (the finale episode) could pick up from this cliffhanger -- like they're on board the Enterprise bridge and all hell is breaking loose. Archer turns to an officer whose back is to the camera...this officer turns around -- and it's Riker! But he's wearing an Enterprise jumpsuit and acts like a normal member of the crew. As it looks like Enterprise is about to be destroyed, everything freezes, except for Riker. The holodeck door appears and Troi enters. End teaser and go to opening credits. In Act I, we see the Titan in space. Capt. Riker explains to his wife that for the past year he's been meticulously reconstructing the historical events surrounding Capt. Archer and the adventures of the first Enterprise. Since he's a relatively new captain still, Riker has been finding inspiration in Archer. As Riker and Troi talk, we learn that most of the official historical records documenting the time period of Enterprise were lost (perhaps due to some great war that happened in which Starfleet was nearly destroyed -- the Romulan War?). Along with the help of historians from the Vulcan, Klingon, Ferengi, and even Romulan empires, Riker has constructed holosimulations of the history of the first Enterprise under Archer. It's not a perfect historical record, by far, which Riker acknowledges, and he's been tweaking it. He could also point out to Troi that there appears to be technological anachronisms throughout the Enterprise time period, and there have been theories at Starfleet that somebody tampered with the timeline during Archer's time. Troi could mention the events of First Contact, asking if they could have been a factor. Riker responds, yes, possibly, but he developed a personal theory that maybe somebody from the future directly affected things too. He even tested out this theory by role-playing as a shadowy character, which he called "FutureGuy", which Troi finds amusing. So, anyway, in this episode, Riker is "stuck" trying to figure out what happened after the events of the previous episode. This series finale, thus, would be about Riker trying to find the truth and reconstructing it.... So, MAYBE this is what Berman & Braga have in mind?
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I hope you apologize to the corpse of Gene Rodenberry every day, you fuckwit. And god bless Jolene Blalock for not just being inconceivably hot, but for having the guts to tell it like it is. The only way to save the series in the eyes of history is to end it with a prolonged, Hoshi / T'Pol decontamination gel rubdown scene ... preferable topless.
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Lesbo fantasies aside (here's hoping), I really don't think B&B are that concerned. Nice idea Prof.Pop-Cult, but to be honest they feel they've been screwed by the fans for not being loyal enough so they're just gonna give people the finger and try and get a budget for the movie. Oh god another movie!! Well couldnt be any worse.......no wait......yes it could.
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Mar 08, 2005 8:34:59 AM CST
Why not just have Riker and Troi on the holodeck of the USS Tita
by big bad clone
They can have a guy stick in his head and say, "Capt., the Cardassians are attacking Earth! Admiral Janeway has been killed!"
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Maybe we should just see what happens instead of passing judgement ( and giving every internet little boy and girl a chance to look what they think is cool by making oh so clever comments ) before we really know anything.
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Mar 08, 2005 8:48:11 AM CST
Nice idea, Prof. But let's face it, gang, the minute UPN not on
by commando cody
...is the minute those of us who liked ENTERPRISE should have anticipated that Berman and Braga would step in at the last minute to take their final bow by screwing up all the good work Manny Coto's done, simply so they can put their personal "fucked-up stamp" on the show all over again. Hence instead of Coto writing a fucking cool Shatner visit, we get Berman and Braga bringing us Riker/Troi (who I hope get good make-up jobs for this episode or haven't gone completely to pot physically because, let's face it, it's been a while since they both wore uniforms). Who knows -- maybe the reason Berman and Braga are doing a "Fuck you fans holodeck episode" is BECAUSE they're so pissed off that the show got so much better under Coto versus them. Either way, I'm sorry to see the show go, it really improved this year and was fun to watch. As for the holo-episode, I liked Prof. Pop Cult's scenario above. Nice one, guy. If it was actually THAT perhaps this episode could be salvaged and be watchable. But given that it actually makes sense and is well thought out, we can rest assured that what you jotted down even quickly, Prof, is lightyears BETTER than the "appalling" crap Berman and Braga will soon be dishing out.
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I may not be a die-hard 'Star Trek Lives' kind of person, but this year, the series has had a run of good writing, and ideas. And now, just when it's starting to get interesting again, UPN pulls the plug. Well, I hope UPN has fun trying to pull off its stupid reality shows like 'Top Model' and lame-o sitcoms, because now there's NOTHING UPN offers that I even like. "Enterprise" at least made for a good night to sit down and zombie out on space opera (followed up by Sci Fi channel's SG-A, BSG and then SG-1). Have fun at the unemployment office, B&B. As for UPN, don't be surprised if these boneheads end up for sale REAL SOON!
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the show was abruptly cancelled, yet has still been given the oppurtunity to bring closure to the plot. Not many cancelled programs are given this oppurtunity. Given that they had so much of the story already planned, there is not a simple way to conclude all of the small storylines that had been running, so one of the only options they had was to close it out with a gimmick.
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Mar 08, 2005 9:38:31 AM CST
Damn, Jolene rocks! How often do actors come clean like that?
by scrumdiddly
If this *is* true, if it's the whole series playing on the holodeck, then those guys better duck and cover. But really - 4 seasons, when would Riker and Troy have time to watch them?:)
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My understanding is that the Enterprise episode takes place a few years in the future of the normal show, closer to the time of the Romulan Wars. Riker and Troi are looking back on the episode as a holodeck simulation, but that the actual events all took place. The idea here is that if they do get a fifth season, this story has nothing to do with the Enterprise continuity because it takes place four or five years after the events we have been seeing. What is appalling is that Riker and Troi are rumored to be in about a quarter of the episode, and that a major event in Enterprise is being used to contextualize a relatively minor episode in TNG, as the reason Riker is watchhing the simulation in the first place is rumored to be connected with the Pegasus episode of TNG. The point being that Brannon and Braga are taking a final dump on Enterprise buy connecting it to their work in TNG (though they didn't write the Pegasus episode). Just to make it clear, I have no doubt it will suck. And Star Trek cannot move forward until these hacks are jettisoned. But, according to the news about the movie, they are attached to it as well, so that will suck too.
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During Star Trek First Contact (you know, one of the even, actually good Star Trek movies), anyways it seemed that Riker was very familiar with the founding of the Federation. Heck, after the events of First Contact he was practically there when the Vulcans showed up. Granted, he was flying around on the Enterprise - E, and this holodeck scene is suppose to be on the Enterprise - D, there has still been some precedent for Riker being interested in the foundation of the Fed. Blah! Warp 11's new album, "BOLDLY GO DOWN ON ME!" comes out in 2 days! I can't wait! The band is already really popular and this will double their exposure! The Time Of Warp 11 is now! You've seen them in Trekkies 2! Now listen to some of the best music they have ever made! www.warp11.com, www.warp11bb.com! Warp! I love Warp 11!
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Brannon Braga is pissing on the grave of Enterprise after being hit with a nasty dose of Karma. Everyone he messed over during TNG is now doing better work on better shows. Take a look around the dial. It is filled with ex-TNG staff writers. Of course there is Ron Moore, who was on Carnivale and is now doing Battlestar Galactica, and when he left Canivale he handed the show over to Tracy Torme.
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...that Berman and Braga won't give loyal fans another ass raping as a parting gift, and some of the scenarios described above would actually work in terms of justifying Riker's and Troi's involvement in the episode (heck, I even like the ideas some of you are pitching). But if the story behind this post is true... that T'Pol thinks the final episode is ass... you have to ask yourself how bad it must really be. I know I'll be watching just to find out.
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The fans have been bitching since the start about the continuity gaffes in this show. This gives Paramount a way, albeit an incredibly ugly one, of clearing the board and ignoring all the cruft that accumulated here.
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So technically it all DID happen, and Troi and Ryker are just watching a sort of "docudrama" re-enactment of history. And (I haven't seen the final episode so I don't know) it doesn't necessarily mean that Troi and Ryker watched the ENTIRE adventures of Archer and his crew in their holodeck, just that particular bit for whatever reason. Anyway, I still liked this final season -- the first three sucked ass. T'Pol is right -- the damage was done before this new season began. Fans gave Enterprise a shot, and the creative powers that be blew their opportunity. Hopefully, in the future, whatever incarnation Trek appears in, they'll respect the fans and the franchise's continuity and give us some stories with substance.
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Mar 08, 2005 12:05:15 PM CST
So, basically Riker and Troi are watching a America's Most Wante
by big bad clone
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Mar 08, 2005 12:21:28 PM CST
most television viewers: ' ENTERPRISE episodes ... are appalling
by spice-orange
thus is why thee show with the funny ears, and the quantum leap guy and the jello and the silly ships is cancelled.
/Cosby > Star Trek
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Mar 08, 2005 12:22:09 PM CST
Well if it's historical and it really did happen, then what's th
by i dunno
If it all really happened, what does it add to the story to show Riker and Troi watching it, beyond the novelty of seing them again? And I can't believe they're not going to even try to resolve the Future Guy thing, which in the first season promised to be the focal point of most of the series. What they needed to do is have the crew realise that their very existence is the result of tampering with the space/time contiuum [sp] and after a tearful farewell, decide that the only way to repair it is to voluntarally do something to erase themselves from history. It'd be dramatic, poingant, and would fix all the continuity problems, from the technical anachronisms to Enterprise not being depicted in the pictures of previous Enterprises or Picard's little ships.
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Mar 08, 2005 12:49:34 PM CST
Actually QL SERIES! Oh and YES I would tell the new Starbuck tha
by computerguy68
Quote "Quantum Leap (soon to be revived yet again as an all-new series)"
Someone here asked me why I hate the new Starbuck a while back. Sorry it took so long to reply. My increasing dislike for Katee on BSG came with her attitude on the BSG DVD extra "The Lowdown" - She comes across as an arrogant twit. That attitude in the feature reminded me of Branon Braga when Ent first began and his condescending tone with the fans. All I can say is respect the fans or suffer the consequences of Enterprise. "...we somehow managed to drive 11 million of them away." -
It was all just a dream...cliche crunching hacks.
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Star Trek died a profound death at the hands of MAJOR hacks on "Voyager". Must have been the party bowls in the conference room filled with free cocaine.
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So all the events depicted did occur. Even so, it is an awful idea for the finale. By having cutaways to cast members from another Star Trek show you detract from the characters of Enterprise. Almost as if B&B are saying "well, Enterprise doesn't matter - but TNG was a damn good show wasn't it?" Which does a complete disservice to both shows.
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In regards to BSG, Computer guy warns the new show with "All I can say is respect the fans or suffer the consequences of Enterprise."
RESPECT THE FANS!?!? That is in the end EXACTLY what the new show is doing. The old show didn't give a rats ass about any fans. After a promissing start it turned out crap like: 1)Muffy the Mushie loving Daggit, 2)"Red Eye", the gun slinging Cylon, 3)the episode with the kids taking out a Cylon garrison, 4)Hector and Vector the silver painted androids (poor Ray Bolger), 5)Alliance Enforcer 'space nazis'.
The new show took the same premise and at least followed it up with something plausible and thought provoking. THAT is giving the fans respect.
As for Starbuck, Dirk Benadict was my favorite part of the old series, and the new Starbuck is my favorite in the new series. (personally I think it is eerie the way she sometimes seems to be channeling the old character). Different, more thought out, but not disrespectful. -
the guy on that startrek website that herc posted last time said "The series itself is not a hologram program", I thought that was clear.. I assumed it was just the events on the last episode that were being watched on the holographic thingie.
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Thought I would remind you.
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I look at this way, beyond Bakula's bad acting, Star Trek:Enterprise has merits. It's production values are impressive. It's attention to detail was good, the visual effects (while overused) was great for TV. The stories, however, generally sucked. Berman and Braga have ruined the name of Trek, and that cannot be disputed (despite what someone said earlier. VOY was never as successful as DS9 {granted, DS9 was not as successful as TNG} and will remain that catalyst for the beginning of the end of Trek). If this is true, and to be honest, I believe Blalock more than anyone, then all the rants of all the people over the last ten years has been justfied. The producers of Trek have shitted on the franchise for a decade, and yet there are people here who say we should take a wait and see attitude. It's like saying that despite all the things Saddam has done, all the empirical evidence that points to his guilt, that we should wait until the trial begins before we say he's a bad guy. This conservative ideals that has forced TV to revert back to heydays of 1950's world where Beaver and Opie solved all their problems in an half hour. Star Trek was killed by Brannon Braga and Rick Berman (who must be holding something over Paramount's head) and that's a fact. Jolene Blalock has had the courage to speak up and out about how this series has not lived up to its potential and if they take out the St. Elsewhere ending -and have the gall to call it a "valentine" to fans, has set themselves up to called crooks, idiots and fools. Trek did not need to die and Manny Coto deserved a chance to have a fifth season, but it's not his fault this show failed. That lays at the door of B & B and Paramount for not having the balls to kick them out on their asses.
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Jolene blaylock's meal ticket is fastened firmly to her chest. No one needs Enterprise less than she.
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Mar 08, 2005 4:51:32 PM CST
If anyone actually cared about Trek, Berman and Braga would have
by performingmonkey
Why does all recent Trek just seem like B & B's pet projects? Fire the fuckers and be done with it!! How is Trek meant to move on and be actually GOOD if the very people responsible for turning it into a steaming pile of shit are STILL ALLOWED ANYWHERE NEAR THE FUCKING FRANCHISE!!!!!!! Surely the demise of the god-awful Enterprise should make SOMEONE take notice. The fact that Voyager lasted for 7 seasons means nothing. It limped through all of them like a wounded dog. I'm sure I went 2 years without watching an episode and went back to it and the same boring shit was happening as though it was the next episode!! Enterprise AND Voyager should be erased from Trek cannon! No wait, B & B should be erased!! Bring back Picard!!!!
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It's not that bad if you skip the dull parts. But this still bugs me: How did Janeway become an admiral? Yet Picard is still a captain. Picard has been Captain of the Federation flagship for almost 20 years, and was a captain even before that. The guy has saved the Federation and Earth numerous times. I could be wrong but wasn't Voyager Janeway's first command? On her first mission she gets this brand new ship and its crew stranded on the other side of the galaxy. She brings the ship back seven years later and Starfleet makes her an admiral. Meanwhile Picard is still a captain. I guess they wanted to get her a desk job because they were afraid if they gave her another ship she would get that one stuck somewhere too. Isn't there a rank between captain & admiral they could have given her? And speaking of rank, what about poor Harry Kim? Is he still an ensign? Guy serves 7 years on Voyager and doesn't get a promotion. Meanwhile, jailbird Tom Paris get demoted from Lt. then promoted again, and all the while Harry is stuck at the lowest rank. Several of the Maquis are given ranks higher than Harry. People who didn't attend Starfleet academy or who got kicked out outrank him. Poor guy saves the ship, saves the day, even dies, I don't know how many times, while serving on Voyager, but still Janeway won't promote him. What's a guy got to do to get another pip, or even half a pip?
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No, they were forced to watch the crappy holonovel because an electro-plasma surge in the phase-couplers depolarized the Heisenberg Compensator , causing the Holodeck pattern-buffers to reset spontainiously. Gawd! Don't you know anything!!?
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You should be the one writing the finale, dude. Your idea is an excellent compromise for fans of Enterprise and those who have been bothered by the continuity questions regarding the show's setting. The episode should play on that. Riker explains to Troi that there are inconsistencies, which he's been trying to sort out through his research. I can imagine Riker showing boyish enthusiasm for his holo-recreation, as he explains it to his wife. And I love the idea of having it be mentioned that most Starfleet records from Enterprise's time period are missing or were destroyed due to a "great war" (they wouldn't need to name exactly what war it is, but fans could assume it was the Romulan War). In just a few lines of dialogue between Riker and Troi, many of the inconsistences about Enterprise could be "fixed" or explained in a fun way. The Prof's cool idea inspired me with another example: You have Riker showing Troi the bridge of the Enterprise on the holodeck. Troi comments on how grim looking the design of that time period was, but Riker loves it -- the nit, the grit, the harsh chain of command. Troi mentions that her favorite time period in Federation history was TOS; because after many generations of grimness, war and uncertainty before the founding of the Federation, humanity entered a renaissance period which was reflected in design, fashion and attitude. Troi could say she loves that period because Starfleet was more fun, happier and adventurous. Riker could joke back that she just loved that time period for the mini-skirts. And Troi could joke back: "And I STILL feel that Starfleet should have made their uniforms as REQUIRED, not voluntary." See how easy this could be done? With just a few lines of dialogue, taking up now more than a minute or two, clever writing could "patch up" a lot of things about Enterprise, and they could have fun with it.
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Now we can wait a few years...GET BETTER WRITERS/PRODUCERS and continue w/ new hope
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Have fun at the conventions!!!
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I guess Scott will be avalable now.
Overall, this is a bad time for sci-fi. What do we have left? No matter what you say, BSG will get dull very quick. It and Lost will not be around for 5+ years. BSG will turn into Voyager. Bad times indeed. -
Why do you think B & B would do this? I can't believe they think this ending is a valentine. So it must be deliberate. Maybe Berman wants to cut himself loose from ST. So running it into the ground is the only way. I'm hopeing there's more to this than what I've been reading. However the more time that goes by without UPN saying something different means this is probably the real ending. By the way about the poster who said BSG is going to get boring real quick. I don't see much chance of that!
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Dr. and 6 screw, the ship gets attacked, ships runs out of supplies, ship has a spy, no one can trust anyone, look for Earth. Rinse and repeat...
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Warren's latest e-mail is titled "I AM AICN", so you are so right.
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But unless Ron and co have some tricks for season 2 where will this show go? I hope I'm wrong, cause we are in a sci-fi drought for now and BSG is the best thing out there. Fall 2005 is not looking good. At least we will get Dr. Who this spring.
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Mar 08, 2005 7:19:26 PM CST
"If this is true, and to be honest, I believe Blalock more than
by gislef_crow
Someone touched on it above, but...ummm, why is everyone so willing to take Blalock at her word? Hopefully she's a better critic then she is an actress (which a lot of fans have been griping about her acting for the last 5 years). But I doubt it. Maybe she finds it appalling because she didn't get the going away she thought it deserved? Anyhoo, keep in mind the principle of the unreliable narrator...
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after UPN announced they were canceling ENT, Rick Berman said the finale was going to be a "valetine" for the fans. I'm just wondering what dictionary he is using to define the word, if what is being published about the final episode, which I've read is called "These Are The Voyages". I looked up the word and it means: "an amatory or sentimental card or gift". If this show ends like some holo-novel thingy, no matter what past Trek star they get, I would reject it. Well, I did need to get caught up on my reading. I promised myself I would finally get to Confederacy of Dunces this year.
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Blalock -who's real talent is in her chest and lips -may not be the best actress, but she is a fairly good critic. Just because she was open about the problems - and not pretending there was nothing wrong like long-time Trek suck-up-to-Berman actors Stewart, Spiner, Bakula and Mulgrew have been saying -does not negate her statements. She knows Trek can be better, hell she loved what Coto has done, and that's what she wants fans to know. Disgruntled employee? Maybe. Was she right? I'll leave that open for debate.
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and good points Big Jim, but Janeway is probably a power-whore like that, while Picard was cool enough to want to stay captain. I mean, he was already offered it a few times, even in the early eps when they offered him to head the Academy, or whatever it was. And I hope Kim was severely promoted after they got back, definitely worthy of a lt. cmd.
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OK ComputerGuy, perhaps you don't "hate BSG", but I also think "Dr. and 6 screw, the ship gets attacked, ships runs out of supplies, ship has a spy, no one can trust anyone, look for Earth. Rinse and repeat..." completly sells it short. So far, since the destruction of the colonies, we have had issues with 1)the lives of a few vs. the safety of what's left of humanity ("33"), 2)the need to figure out how you are going to keep everyone alive on the run ("Water"), 3)How to deal with prisoners and law in this new reality ("Bastille Day") 4)the need of command to ballance his own desires with the needs of the many ("You can't go home again"), 5) How far do you go to get what you need, and just how different is the enemy really? ("Flesh and Bone") 6)the overall Helo on Caprica arc 7)the overall loyalty issues with both Boomers, etc. That's a hell of a lot for the mere 9 US aired epsiodes so far. Sure paranoia, supplies, and spies run constantly behind it all, but wouldn't they in reality? I will give them another season before I believe they don't know where else to go.
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so much for trying a little formatting
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Mar 08, 2005 10:04:46 PM CST
If it's Riker and its now YEARS later...why not the Holodeck on
by commando cody
When you think about it, if this is a holodeck simulation and years have passed, why the hell is he on the Titan? Fuck it -- if there's not going to be any new Next Gen movies (and apparently the next movie WILL center on an all-new cast during the Romulan War period) just fucking give the fans a treat and give Riker the fucking ENTERPRISE to command now. Simply say Picard retired, became Admiral, or something...but if Riker should get a ship, and Next Gen is over, least let the fans know he finally got the REAL ship he wanted.
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I liked the Prof's idea as well.
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Mar 08, 2005 11:43:23 PM CST
"I mean, we started out with 13 million viewers on the pilot, an
by voice o. reason
Blalock owns.
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I agree with iamnicksaicnsn that Picard is probably still a captain because he wants to be. On the other hand, Janeway managed to bring her ship and crew back mostly intact after 7 years in a far-off part of the galaxy completely isolated from the rest of Starfleet. I doubt she'd want another ship anytime soon. Does she deserve a promotion? Well I wasn't a fan of the show, but Voyager did manage to essentially cripple the Borg collective for the foreseeable future while bringing back a huge amount of information about the Delta quadrant. Janeway always struck me as more of a scientist than a commander, so who better to put in charge of analyzing all that juicy Delta quadrant data.
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Stay away from the promotion, keep yourself a captain of that ship as long as you can.
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Mar 09, 2005 8:41:18 AM CST
"Jolene, come here, I'll comfort you!!" PISS OFF SHE'S MINE!!!!
by big_bubbaloola
Mine I tell you!!! MINE MINE MINE!!!!
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If I'm reading this correctly you think I don't like Enterprise? You're talking to one of it's biggest supporters in the face of all this bashing. There's no need for conspiracy. Lot's of big names sabotage things to get out of it. I just think they should have let Coto write the ending if it's really what has been reported. And yes I agree 90% of all the bashing here is quasiintellectual ( " god I'm so clever and smart " ) drival. I'm just hopeing there's more to this ending. Maybe that's why UPN hasn't said anything about the rumors. Maybe the rumors have only got it half right.
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It explains the shitty acting jobs done by the entire cast- they're holograms!
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It is just his style. He is a self-lothing geek whose fucking a hot woman. He is living the Don Simpson Hollywood dream and is just another greedy, vindictive suit. Blalock, Moore, Wolfe, Roddenberry, and others have thinly when not out and out blatantly attacked him numerous times for what he has done over the last 12 years.-----later-----m
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Read what Ron Moore and Wolfe have said in the past few years. Majel Roddenberry in her guest appearance on Babylon 5 slams Braga with a line about "her husband's" legacy and memory. And 2 weeks ago Blalock was a guest on the radio show Coast to Coast AM and really sounded off.------later----m
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I too will give them another season. I HOPE i'm wrong and that Ron can bring more to the show so it can last 5+ years. My issue is that any "quest" driven show has a limited shelf life before they get stupid and cancelled: Twin Peaks, Lost in Space, Time Tunnel, Land of the Lost, etc. Notice a pattern here, most of those shows are very very old. This type of show is not done very often now, for a good reason - they turn into Voyager! Enterprise killed that "quest" after one season, hell even the original BSG changed after one year (for the worst!)
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Braga probably is a nice guy. And I'm sure he thinks (along with Berman) that everything he's written for VOY and ENT is good, if not Emmy winning material. The issues that people have is with the quality of those stories. Sure, you may like plot driven stories (those "high concept" stories Braga likes to talk about) with just the barest chararization. But there are many, many, many fans who believe this is the wrong way to run a franchise that was once a character driven.Audiences maybe fickle, and I'm all for mindless drival (see CSI, Law & Order, Bill O'Rielly), but Trek was never about space battles, it was always the monster inside of us all. The human condition. That has not changed since the TOS. That is what's being forgotten in the last two series. Maybe in this ultra conservative TV world we now live in, learning about the human condition is not seen as American. We are being force fed one lame show after another -According to Jim, American Idol, Two and Half Men - because they are safe, predictable programs that offend no one. But they entertain no one and that's the biggest crime. ENT and VOY played it safe and in doing so lost many viewers who once thought Trek had something to say. It spoke to their intellect, but now it only speaks to people who think Jennifer Lopez can actually sing and act (and we know her only talent lies in her chest and fat ass). And I still want to know where 11 million fans went and why its ratings went from 5.9 to 2.5 in four years. That's not a leveling off, either. That is abandonment.
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First of all, the whole SERIES of "Enterprise" has been appalling. The Trek fans who watch it and force themselves to love it and forgive the producers JUST BECAUSE it's Trek are insane. The show has sucked from day one, it has crapped on the rest of the Trek universe, and it has thumbed its nose at the fans (and Gene Roddenberry's memory) repeatedly. If they actually make the whole show a Holodrama that Riker and Troi are watching, and the whole thing is rendered void in the Trek universe, I and millions of other Trek fans will rejoice. It SHOULD be a dream or a bad show they're watching, because it IS a bad show! The next Trek should NOT rewrite the history, or contradict the original series or Next Generation. --- I'd fully support a new Trek with those ACTORS, though. They were all good, it's just that they were given crap scripts to work with.
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Ron Moore's comments on what happpened on the set of VGER are quite damning, as is the post from someone on the staff who defends Moore. Yes, a lot of good Trek was in those later years of TNG but for the most part it did not come from Braga, but from Moore, Wolfe, Echieverria, Behr, and others. BTW, Braga's next project,"Threshold", sounds like "The 4400" with the character his girlfriend Jeri Ryan played on the series "Dark Skies".-----later-----m
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I'm still waiting for your " proof " That your idea about the Klingons came from Roddenberry! I supplied proof that it didn't. Can you refute that?
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I don't know which one it was, to be honest, but it was a Roddenberry-approved early guide to Star Trek that mentioned the Klingons being separated by cosmetic manipulation for espionage purposes. Even if you don't count that, there are a ton of things in Enterprise that piss on the Original Series. Anachronisms all over the place, stylistic differences, political differences, rewriting first contact in several occassions, the introduction of species which are never seen again in the entire course of Trek history, time travel b.s., and the very existence of a ship called "Enterprise" are just a few things. I don't plan to argue this with an Enterprise fan, though. As I said, people who defend Enterprise are either forcing themselves to like it because it's the only Trek on TV, or they are newer fans who don't have respect for the original series. The show does not stand on its own, and it DOES crap on the original series.
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I would have agreed with you about Enterprise (and Voyager and the last two movies) "crapping on the Original Series" based on the first three seasons. But I beg to differ when it comes to this season. I think this last and seemingly final season of Enterprise has been very faithful and very respectful of TOS, and that's why I've enjoyed it and was hoping they'd give it more of a chance. But as we've all said, the damage was done. Once someone loses faith in a show, it's tough to get them to tune in again.
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I quoted from an actual publication from Roddenberry himself " The Making Of Star Trek " by Stephen E. Whitfield and Gene Roddenberry Balantine 1968. It had no mention of what you're talking about and simply discribed the Klingons as they were in TOS. Since this was written just before the 3rd season I would guess that no revision was forth coming. I can quote it again if you like. I gave you the title, publisher, and date. Also I quoted from a book ( " The Worlds Of The Federation " By Shane Johnson Pocket Books 1989 ) that wasn't written by Roddenberry where the Klingon theory you state as originating from Roddenberry's universe. It appears it's been made up by another person. As a matter of fact it appears making up by 3rd parties is common and part of the Star Trek mythos. That's what you're calling rewriting what Roddenberry intended. In almost 40 years of reading about and watching Star Trek I've never seen anything from Gene Roddenberry stating the Klingons were as you say they are ( Hiding their true appearence covertly in the beginning ). Sorry Holly that's not good enough. You'll have to do better than mere personal opinion.
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Mar 09, 2005 4:31:50 PM CST
As a Star Trek Next Generation and Deep Space Nine fan..No Jolen
by lost skeleton
the entire series was appalling...and Voyager too!
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I see it now (too late alas to save my credibility). I blame a warp radiation anomaly backfiring into an interphasic warp ray emitter resulting in temporal neutron radiation being generated.
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Electric_Monk: Ummm, how so? I must have missed her guest stint on Ebert & Roper... ;)
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There was a comment by Holly_Wright about klingon appearences being changes for espionage purposes, but she couldn't remember the source. The Klingon expansion to the FASA Star Trek rpg suggested two engineered varients of hte Klingons specifically interact with Humans and Romulans respectively. This was published shortly after the first Star Trek movie and drew heavily from John Ford's novel "The Final Reflection". This was FASA's attempt to explain why the movie Klingons were different from the series ones. Almost all later (retroactive) developement of Klingon culture and history contradicts the Ford novel, but at the time it was the only source available. Though Rodenberry may have been consulted when the game was developed, I doubt he had any iinput on this.
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A UFIA is more like it, from the sound of things...
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