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5 Things For Oscar To Remember Next Year For The Show!

Hey folks, Harry here - I know I've written a ton on the Oscars this year, but some of the problems with this year's show were so addleminded that I just have to address them. I might get passionately upset at the direction of how one award goes or another, but frankly... getting angry at an Oscar decision... it's what it is all about. However, generally I love the broadcast itself, but this year, this year I hated it.

Let's start with the single most obvious new problem:

1) Creating a Class System By Which To Bestow Awards Based Upon Alleged Audience Interest.

The Beauty Contestant Line-up and the Hot Peanuts delivery of Oscars to Technical, Craftsmen and Non-Feature Length Nominees was not only the most offensive decision I've ever seen at an Academy Awards broadcast - but it casts a shadow over the entire concept of those awards.

The point of the Oscar Broadcast isn't to let the Beautiful People do their Beautiful Thing. It's for the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts & Sciences to educate the world on the myriad of talents that go into making the best entertainment, stories and visions on that silver screen near you. As Jamie Foxx said to Barbara Walters in his pre-Oscar interview, it was important for him to win first as an African-American because with so much negativity in all the forms of media, his win would be a bright spot to help inspire African-Americans around the world. Now, to another degree... Those kids, students at schools... Tomorrow's Award Winners - they're sitting at home waiting to be inspired by Oscar to go out into their field of choice - and last night - they were shown that writers - editors - cinematographers, sound mixers, sound editors... that in the shadow of the greatness that is Directors & Actors & Producers... That on their magical night, they would be herded together and asked to smile real big missing only their sash to further label them. They wouldn't be clutching the hands of their date, wife, husband, lover, family member. They wouldn't get the joy of jumping up from their seat. Shaking the hands of those around them. Running up to the stage electrified by the moment. Or to be comforted when they lost. No, if they lose... they must quietly make their way off the stage and back to their seats, empty-handed... after being paraded about.

Oh - but if you do Make-up or Special Effects... or if you happen to be the very best in your field as a short filmmaker. Even if you win. There is no stage for you. No, you'll stay in your seat and you'll get up when your name is called. You'll take 5 steps to a microphone in the aisle. You won't see Nicholson's smiling sunglassed face... you'll see the back of his head. Because you don't deserve to face the beautiful people. You get to see their backsides... unless they're cool enough to wrench around in their seats to try and find you, but why will they do that... they've got a big screen to stare at your face - but you're a gorgon, the stars dare not stare upon your face, only your reflection.

What the hell?

2) It doesn't matter how long the show goes.

For all of Oscars 'innovations of presentation' this year - they still managed to go over. So not only did they short shift many nominees, not educate the viewers in regards to the field of film, but they still went over... only they managed to humiliate and make the night less cool.

You see, on this most special night - It isn't how long the show is. It is how classy it is. How cool it is. What a show it is. This is that night where great craftsmen and actors, directors and writers... this is the night where they stand on the same stage, are all given the same amount of time. Where salary and fame isn't what it is about. It's about talent being recognized by talent. Talent being celebrated and acknowledged. Given center stage before one of the largest audiences in the world on the night where every news broadcast is waiting with baited breath to announce who just took centerstage, what did they say, who did they thank or didn't thank? The reason this year's ratings were so high wasn't because of Chris Rock or your dumb as hell decisions regarding nominees. It was because for the first time in a LONG time, the audience had NO IDEA who was going to win BEST PICTURE. Because there was no clear winner. And that audience would have sat through anything to find out, because when the audience tunes out, it's because they know who is going to win. Which is why, SWEEP shows tend to have the worst audiences.

3) BEST ORIGINAL SONG - There is something broken here!

Did you notice the complete indifference with which Prince ran through those nominees? Other than the winning song and THE CHOIR piece - the other 3 were examples of truly bad taste. But bad taste, that's not something you can mandate, or can you? Perhaps, depending on a given year's choices - there should just be 3 nominees or even no category. Now - at the same time, I'm very aware that the songs afford very real entertainment for not just the viewing audience, but the attending audience. BUT - my god. You're the ACADEMY AWARDS - if you want to really electrify the audience - create a BEST ADAPTED SONG category - which would nominate songs and their performers upon the soundtrack. THEN - you could get some amazing music up on that stage, and get some truly terrific talent up there. Because, let's face it. Sometimes the best use of song is the most memorable. After all... CASABLANCA's AS TIME GOES BY didn't get acknowledged because it wasn't new. SINGIN IN THE RAIN's "Singin in the Rain" went unawarded for the same reason. Hell, the worst song in PHANTOM OF THE OPERA was the one being performed because of the way this category works. Then... by having 10 songs to chose from, you could pick 3-5 songs to perform that would most blow the audience away.

4) Accompanying Clips & Burn Ins must be mandatory!

One of the most amazing things about the Short Film categories was the micro-look at them at the Oscars. Most people in the world will never ever see those short films. It's just a sad state of affairs. HOWEVER, at the Oscar broadcast. A clip from each nominee - with a clear label stating what it was and who did it. That makes sure that the initiated in the audience will track it down and understand to some degree what was just awarded. And beyond the shorts - doing this with every nominee. A glimpse of a well edited moment, a beautifully shot scene, fantastic make-up and special fx. The costumes, the art direction. Clips must accompany all or none... and my vote goes to all. Ultimately this night is about the work. That which we see. I can not begin to express how annoying this was last night. Also - keep those burn ins stating who & what just won up on the screen during the acceptance speech. This way if you happened to turn your head for a brief 2 seconds to look at a friend or a family member's reaction... you didn't just miss the actual name or affiliation of the person speaking on stage. Especially when it's multiple people.

5) Remembering the departed.

Yo Yo Ma was amazing, but personally I found it distracting from the clips and images... Those In Memoriam sequences that most stuck with me in the past have always been the ones that made use of the talents that passed away's talent. That the only Brando we heard last night was Robin Williams' version of him as Elmer Fudd... well, there ya have it. This could have been done better.

And now for what my Audience thought You did Wrong:

Below - you'll find a sample of your audience that loyally stuck with the broadcast - hopefully they will state what they each liked and disliked about the techincal aspects of the broadcast last night, instead of the results of the awards themselves. Before I go, I'd just like to reiterate that this show needs to be under produced, not over-produced. It needs to be less about a host and more about FILM. It needs to be kept simple, elegant and classy. At least that's what Oscar Night was always about for me.

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  • Feb. 28, 2005, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Yeah, the beauty contest bullshit was retarded.

    by Mutant X

    Talk about unnecessary.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 4:45 p.m. CST

    FIRST RIGHT? Woohoo

    by Backtalk

    The most enertaining thing to watch at this years oscars were the tall babes carrying the trophies. The celebrities standing next to them for comparison were even better. Julia roberts looked like a midget. More Amazon women please.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 4:47 p.m. CST

    "The point of the Oscar Broadcast isn't to let the Beautiful Peo

    by rev_skarekroe

    Of course that's the point, Harry. The Network's in it for ratings, and the way to get ratings is make the show a live version of "People" magazine. Nobody but the people reading this site care about some shlub from ILM accepting his award. Sorry. Of course, in my opinion the entire Oscar event is just an excuse for a bunch of sycophants to kiss each other's asses. I hate Hollywood (but I love movies).

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Yeah, pretty much what Harry said

    by Flaparoo

    All of those negative changes were very disrespectful, and all made just so that they could get a higher fucking TV rating. Fucking disgusting.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Keep Rock, change everything else.

    by Tall_Boy


  • Feb. 28, 2005, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Harry, I'm stunned

    by vich1

    You're actually casting a vote for *class*??? I happen to agree, but it certainly seems out of place for a guy whose posts usually revolve around fascination with some female body part or other.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5 p.m. CST

    Worst Oscars Ever

    by odysseus

    Only Sidney Lumet's acceptance speech gave me any sense of awe about the world of filmdom. I totally agree with Harry: give EVERY winner their stage time. If Gil Cates fears the viewing audience will be bored by speeches from winners for, say, make-up, run some cool clips showcasing why they won. Film is about seeing, after all. To deprive the viewing audience -- and the craftsmen being honored -- the relevant eye candy makes watching the Oscar broadcast too much like watching a live radio show.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5 p.m. CST

    Chris Rock had a funny monologue, BUT...

    by chains

    As I sat there, occasionally laughing, I realized "What the fuck does George Bush have to do with the movies?" This wasn't an HBO special... it was the Oscars. Even Billy Crystal keeps his jokes mainly centered around the film industry. His 5-minute long Gap-Banana Republic bit hand NOTHING to do with movies in any way, shape or form. And though Sean Penn takes things way too seriously, he did defend Jude Law and other talented actors from the huge amount of disrespect Rock threw their way... essentially calling them meaningless. My message: stop trying to placate a "younger demographic" and just do the show the right way.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Some Thoughts on Harry's article ...

    by Vic_

    I think Morgan Freeman summed it up best last night post Oscars - being nominated is the prize in itself. People don't create art and films to win prizes, it's to adapat or create something of vision and merit. To say that the Oscars are really important at all beyond further commodifying film or to line to pockets of a few prestige studios and further politicize the power a few film czars have is pretty ignorant. In all honesty, the only reason people watch teh Oscars is becaus eof "the beautiful people -- who do we see before and after stars and their fancy gowns. I doubt John Dykstra is really up at arms about it, he's happy to be nominated and winning is a bonus. A nomination in itself increases awareness of a film and as a selling point. I doubt many would even argue that an awards nod is the only reason films like Shakespeare In Love or The English Patient are in the back of our heads over something of better merit and writing and forethought. I think the most important thing that was said after the fact by Roger Ebert is that he didn't even realize taht he didn't mention the best actor and best supporting actor were black; they just WERE the best -- PERIOD. Its not like when Denzel won for Training Day when it seemed like it was for his body of work, or when Halle Berry won and it seemed a token, these decisions seemed legitimate because no one had to question race. And that, Harry, is what really will impact the filmmakers to be, that the playing field is level in regards to race and talent but the ceremony itself is eyecandy and ratings bair. The nominations in and of themselves - showing that small films of distinction and quality like Hotel Rwanda and Eternal Sunshine can be in the same pantheon as films engineered to be nominated like The Aviator or Million Dollar Baby. Re: Adapted Song, I don't see it happening - that would have to be its own category like Best Motion Picture Soundtrack and given Hollywood's atrocious record with nominating bad Grammy songs, it's bets left to the unused idea bin. There's no reason for live performances at the Oscars anyway, if anything they should have a montage of scenes from the film set to the song being nominated. That would be strong enough, or the sequence in which the song is used. Re: length of teh show, it kind of does matter, there's no need for anyone to be grandstanding even if they are super excited. Take a cue from Morgan Freeman, short dignified thanks. He had as much right as anyone to go on and on an on, but didn't. If he has less ego and bombast being an actor of his calibur, then really reign in the host, the hosts eat up most of the overtime anyway, that's where to cinch up the show. One wonders if a host is really necessary. In any case, I don't see the craftsmen and makeup artists of tehw orld thinking the Oscars is their chance to be Prom King. Being there nominated is amazing enough and I doubt that anyone is angry over winning if its the seat win. If anything, if someone was angry about taht over winning, they need to check their ego just a smidgeon.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:04 p.m. CST

    At least young black kids have a chance of becoming actors

    by cookylamoo

    How many Black faces did you see among the, cameramen, editors, special effects, costume, set design and sound guys? I didn't see any. aside from acting, movies seem to be the sole domain of a bunch of bearded white guys, and Spike Lee. The greatest mystery to me was why they played the theme from Star Trek: The Next Generation while Morgan Freeman was leaving the stage.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:08 p.m. CST


    by SnowMann

    I don't believe, as Harry has suggested, that last night's show was a complete failure, but it was highly dissapointing. The disrespect they showed towards certain categories by bringing everyone up on stage or going out into the aisle was disgusting. The contributions made by these artists are equally important to those of best actor or best song. Why allow a speech on the importance of film preservation while at the same time showing such disregard for those it takes to make film possible? The Oscars have always been about the stars, but they weren't just about the stars. It's a night to celebrate film. True, the majority of viewers don't care what these people have to say, but by treating certain categories as less important than others they reinforced the public's opinion that those awards don't really matter. Very disrespectful and the academy should definately revert to the old format for next year. And keep the clips. They are just as necessary, if not more so, for best short animated feature as they are for best actor.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:09 p.m. CST

    not the best show...

    by Brummy Scotty

    I'm with everyone on the beuty pageant and in crowd awards. they really annoyed me strangely :) as for chris rock, I laughed harder when I broke my leg. everytime I see him perform I just get the image of homer simpson in my brain doing 'comedy'. "Black people have names like Carl and White people have names like Lenny hee hee hee". Lame.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Best song winner's revenge

    by gevalher

    Harry, you're the man who take my thoughts and words out from me. What can we do, to prevent any more horros like the one we saw at sunday night?

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:15 p.m. CST

    I agree with Harry on screen time for the guys.

    by zarandimoviefan

    Everyone deserves they shout - even the special effects guys. I didn't enjoy the oscars this year - I personally think this was because Scorsese didn't win, which was a shame. He truly is fantastic, and to not win an oscar - for a film that is not his best - AT ALL - is beyond me. I did like the fact that Foxx won best actor however! But yeah - the oscars - they aren't quite the spectacle they once were - merely an watered down MTV fashion parade.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:17 p.m. CST

    The reason they played the Star Trek theme...

    by MaryPoppinsWrath

    ...was to honor the memory of the legendary composer Jerry Goldsmith, who passed away last year. You may have noticed him in the "In Memoriam" montage, along with the late Elmer Bernstein and David Raskin. Oscar-nominated scores by all three of these composers -- including Star Trek, Chinatown, The Magnificent Seven, and Laura -- were represented in the music for the commercial bumpers. (This was a particularly bad year for film-music fans, with the death of not only these three greats, but a host of other lesser-knowns.) In conclusion, it may have confused a lot of people, but I thought it was a touching, subtle tribute to three men who contributed so much to the art of the movies.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Wow. I actually agree with Harry!

    by TruPhan

    Doesn't happen often. I better mark this in my calendar.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Ratings high? What are you talking about, they had some of the

    by minderbinder

    It wasn't Rock (he was funny, definitely the best recent host besides Billy Crystal), it wasn't people in suspense over what would win (it wasn't more of a horserace than any other year). It was because most people haven't seen the movies nominated. Rock was the highlight, the rest of the show was boring as hell, with a couple exceptions. I did like how Randy Thom said the sound awards aren't technical awards, they're a creative job, very true. Most folk have zero clue about what goes into the "technical" sides of film.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Best Song category

    by frantoll

    There seems to be such a time pressure hanging over the Oscars every year, and I can understand the importance of keeping it at least somewhat close to the scheduled time. Given all of that, why waste so much time showing live performances of the Best Song category. It's widely seen as a joke category, as this year's response to the performances highlight. They aren't particularly good songs. The amount of time given to showcasing them is absurd. If most people are like me, they groan when a performance is about to begin, and that's when they go to the restroom or go get their laundry out of the drier or what have you. Scrap the performances or lump them together into one medly. Then you'll have more time to focus on the more film-centric categories.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Oh, never mind.

    by cookylamoo

    It was a bad year for music anyway with that immortal classic "America, Fuck Yeah" not even nominated and not even a nod to that fantastic score for The Incredibles. As for Rock, I gave him a pass because he made fun of his own movie career as well as others.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:24 p.m. CST


    by MaryPoppinsWrath

    ...many people forget that Jerry Goldsmith's magnificent score to "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" was nominated for an Oscar (it criminally lost to "A Little Romance") before the theme was watered-down and used ad nauseum for "Star Trek: The Next Generation", which is what most people now identify it with. In fact, when Jerry Goldsmith returned to score "Star Trek V" with his classic theme, ignorant fans accused him of ripping-off TNG! Goldsmith also scored "First Contact", "Insurrection" and "Nemesis", and wrote the gorgeous title theme to "Star Trek: Voyager". His scores are the best thing about every Trek movie/show he worked on.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Oscars ...

    by tdibble1

    I don't watch the Oscars, as a rule, largely because of the general direction the show has been taken, as epitomized by Harry's analysis above. Now, lest that completely disqualify me from the discussion, let me add that I *did* catch about fifteen minutes of last night's ... production. That fifteen-ish minutes included the awards for best sound editing and foley work, and supporting actress. I didn't see any of the "aisle" acceptances, but the beauty-contestant style given to the sound engineers was just flat out disgraceful. I was embarrassed for them. Chris Rock made some remark about next year those guys picking up their Oscars at a drive-through. My wife commented something like, "Good. Now we can have five minutes of an actor thanking his dog!" ***** IMHO, the people tuning in for a live-action People Mag episode get their fill on the E channel. Bring this back as an awards show, not just the yet-another-excuse-to-stalk-celebrities that it is now. It's not about the latest Benifer gossip. It's about the *MOVIES*. Yes, the actors are a key part of that, but they are only a part! ***** Length: I don't care if you make it five hours long. Just stop calling it some unrealistic time and making all the stuff I might want to watch after it (like, you know, the news) delayed! ***** Music: I only caught the last of the performances and the award last night. I, not being a longtime Oscar watcher, saw Phantom up and thought, "Cool, Music of the Night! Or did they go more obscure?" Did they ever go obscure! Heavens to betsy ... I don't think I even *remember* that song in the movie! And it's the best they could find for that movie?!? "Original" song ... bad category. And, as the sole category for movie music (which is, frankly, about #3-#4 on the list of things that make good movies into great movies), that's pathetic! Might as well leave all music for the Grammys and just concede the point altogether!

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:26 p.m. CST

    I can go along with the MTV'ing of the Oscars but not the disres

    by Razorback

    This years show was the worst in history. It was horrible. A joke. I didn't mind Chris Rock (though he wasn't anything special except for three comments and one bit) but the way the producers of this show spit on everyone but the actors is unforgivable. If this is the way the show will go in the future then I am done. I can wait for the results online.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:29 p.m. CST

    See the Best Animated Short online . . .

    by jocutus

    "Ryan" is available online at the National Film Board of Canada's website. It is truly mindblowing and worth a look.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Stop gushing over what a "special night" the Oscars are.

    by DoctorWho?

    I agree with the poster who said "I hate Hollywood, I love the movies". I see art and its importance in our lives and culture as a very important thing. But this is a "trophy" show, popularity's the fucking prom! Most (not all) of those red carpet walkers have such an inflated view of their importance on the world at large that I find it a struggle not be embarrased for them. Halle Berry comes to mind. BTW, I never think twice that there are highly succesful people in EVERY walk of life, who just happen to be black. But damn if I'm not stunned to watch Oprah and Halle giddy to see Jamie Foxx win..."because" he's black,like they somehow "stuck it to the man" despite our best efforts to keep black people down. HE WON BECAUSE HE DELIVERED THE MOST INCREDIBLE PERFORMANCE OF THE YEAR...he's not Frederick Douglas for christ's sake. Every single nationality is nominated or wins on Oscar night...but "oh my... we still have a long way to go for African-Americans." Its a myth people! If the first thing that went thru your head when Foxx won was"...oh, but he's black too"...then YOU'VE got the problem! Someone just pointed out to me that the 2 QB's in the SuperBowl were black. Really...what color were their eyes...who fucking cares. That's my point. To hear all this talk of winning DESPITE being black tells us one of two things...1) That they don't think he's worthy of winning on the merits of talent alone...or 2) That he simply should never be in that leauge in the first place. Both of which are bullshit. But it tells you more about the people who always mention color than those who never do.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Same in government

    by zekmoe

    that the worst decision is always the one chosen. "Hey, lets make the lesser known awards seem like lesser value. Lets hand them out in the isle, like you were passing down a program to the guy in the cheap seats, people will like it, right?" Well connected people will like it, while the VAST majority will think it demeaning. But that is decision by political committee, whether in Hollywood or elsewhere.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Harry, I can see why you're not crazy about the best song nomine

    by minderbinder

    In years past, there have been some great songs nominated. But like ALL categories, they often ignore good stuff and pick stinkers. I don't see the point of a category for preexisting music. Awards could go to songs written decades ago or dead musicians. And the same songs could be nominated over and over. Might as well have a category for Best use of Footage Reused from an Old Movie.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:47 p.m. CST

    I gave up on the Oscars years ago

    by Canyda

    The best part about the entire Oscar sttuff is always Entertainment Weeky's annual feature in which they ask an actor, producer, director, or whatnot, to anonymously share their actual ballot selections with their reasons for voting how they did. It's educational in that oft-times you find people disgusted with the entire slate of nominees and then just voting for their friends.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Yeah the layout sure sucked this year


    Bad form. I dont even want to watch the oscars anymore.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:47 p.m. CST

    ok voicebox 5 and anyone else...

    by chubb rock

    The post from MaryPoppinsWrath explains the Terminator theme and Star trek theme. Do you really think they'd do this completely random? If Chris Rock was out of place, then so was Carson years ago. Chris is a host, he doesn't have to be an actor's actor to be a host. He has to entertain and he seemed to a decent job without having to resort to some hokey song and dance routine that's more suitable for a Smothers Brothers reunion show. The Jude Law comment was funny. Look at all the movies he has been in lately, he isn't a hige box office draw as seen with Alfie. It may only hurt because it is true and it isn't disrespectful, it's comedy and his brand of comedy comes off that way. Sean Penn just continues to show he has no sense of humor going back to his whining about Team America, not surprising from a guy who hasn't done anything funny since Fast Times at Ridgemont High. So Beyonce has a figure and isn't anorexic Hollywood, I guess you like your women built more like men? Chris Rock has always used Oprah and Halle in his stand-up and on his shows, so why is it a surprise he did it here? Beyonce sang 3 songs, of course he's going to say things about her. And Jamie Foxx was, well, it's obvious why he pointed him out so much. How is he catering to a black crowd to pointing out these prominent figures in Hollywood? Maybe Jamie did rehearse his speech, does it make it any less powerful? I know the tears he held back were genuine and his love for his daughter radiated off of him. Fahrenheit 9/11 was a hot topic in movies, so the Bush commentary had some ties to the ceremony. The commentary about the soldiers isn't hateful to me for many rasons. The thing about bleeding is offensive to people yet every time soldiers are brought up we hear about how they "bled" for our country, the red on the flag symbolizes the blood, etc. so why is it so touchy to speak of in this sense. He made an analogy in regards to Bush's job and any other job which was directly on point. If he sugar-coated it in any way it wouldn't have driven in the point. And if you mean classy by leaving black people out of it which I think is the undertone of your post, I think you should flip the channel and watch the Blue Collar Comedy Show instead because I think black actors are finally starting to get the quality roles and should be a major part of the awards from now on. If you mean classy by anding out the "lesser" awards better, I agree. Maybe you just want more red carpet time to see scrawny women in dresses since full-figured women are too big for you. I say if time is such an issue, let's cut the crap and start them an hour earlier instead of devoting so much time to stupid stuff like Teri Hatcher's sex life interview. Make it like the Superbowl where it ends when it ends and let them enjoy the moment like they are supposed to with speeches and walking through the crowd to get their award. This short attention span television is killing us all and catering to the ignorant who aren't likely to turn the tv off and read a book anyway so why bother?

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Oscar producers should have all previous Emmys stripped away

    by jasher78

    I don't know what the hell happened last night, but it was AWFUL! First off, the show certainly felt shorter, but not because of the length, but because it felt hollow and empty. The gaul of the producers to destroy that glorious moment in these filmmakers lives down to a humiliating reality show gimmick was just appauling. Everyone in the industry dreams their enitre life, whether it's their primary drive or not, of one day making that dash down the aisle and giving your speach, saying your thank yous and getting to be "King of the World!" for that brief moment. You producers have stolen all of that from them. It made me sick and sad. The lack of clips was not only disrespectful but meanspirited. The show had nothing of interest to offer beyond a hilarious, but in the end disatisfying stand up routine by Chris Rock that we could have gotten ANYWHERE - ANY TIME. This is just stupid. I throw big Oscar parties every year and this year all my party of 30 peeps and I could do was shake our heads and look on in disgust and dismay. I agree with everything Harry said in that article and ditto it wholeheartedly. The Oscars are a celebration of the Industry at it's finest and it should be given the repect and class it deserves. Take your time with the broadcast. It ALWAYS goes long. ACCEPT IT ALREADY!!!!! If you just made the damn broadcast an hour longer - it would be long! It would just be an hour longer - you schmucks. Take a night off from the crap fest of reality tv and spend some time at the Oscars and give it the glitz, glamour and respect it deserves. GOD DAMN I'm getting more and more pissed by the second. Y'know what I could go on but I am just too F---ing PISSED. I'm done.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Actually, chubb rock, re: Terminator theme...

    by MaryPoppinsWrath

    It wasn't a part of the tributes I was talking about, since it was written by Brad Fiedel -- who is still very much alive -- and was not nominated for an Oscar (although it was nominated for a Saturn). I think using it for Rock was just meant to be funny.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Drop Best Song, Add Best Titles

    by bmsatter

    Can you imagine that you've actually been awarded an Oscar, your dream of being a filmmaker has been heralded by the most coveted award of the industry and yet you don't ever get to go up on the stage. Suck! I can't stand the Best Song category. It's pointless and I've been crying that for years. What they need is to bring back the Best Titles category like they had in the early days of Oscar. So many creatvie people are making great titles for films (Seven, Panic Room, Planet of the Apes, Catch Me If You Can). These people need Oscars of their own.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Get rid of the stupid shit

    by BigEOz

    Man.. bad show this year.. terrible. And MDB over Aviator?? Gimme a friggin break.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Beyonce crapped up the choir song too

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    She was passable, as anyone with singing talent probably would be, but she was far from a good fit. She crapped up the Phantom of the Opera song too, though I did think she did good in the last song, whatever that one was.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:10 p.m. CST

    WELL SAID, Harry

    by Ribbons

    I know about the Nielsens and the business aspect of presenting an Oscar show, but in a perfect world, for lovers of film anyway, the proceedings would run closer to the way you imagine them. The problems addressed in #4 particularly stuck in my craw, and I have absolutely no affiliation whatsoever with the short film world. But supposing that someone else who had the same desire to see a sample of the films nominated didn't have the means to watch it on a computer? I have to watch a mind-numbing barrage of decontextualized shots of actors crying, but time devoted to short films in out of the question? A quick list of other offenses: 1)The "acceptance speech" time. I think it's a little sad and not a little obnoxious that there are people receiving Academy Awards -- and, realistically, probably not likely to have a camera trained on them again -- that barely have the time to say "Hello" to their families. Give the so-called little people more time onstage, for Pete's sake. If anything, their speeches, if lengthy, are probably more likely to be interesting than the Bigshots who get about four times as much time to talk as they do and whose speeches consist mainly of bullshit Hollywood politics (thanking agents, make-up artists, Harvey Weinstein, "Marty," Chad Lowe). Of course, the thinking is that gorgeous celebrities should be inherently interesting. Quite frankly, it's about as interesting as hearing someone read a phone book. ***************** 2)There's something vaguely disquieting about how the Academy handles "technical awards." They're doled out without fanfare in a different room on a different night as if they're somehow less significant to the world of film. Technically speaking, no pun intended, the contributions people make in the realm of Motion Picture Sciences each year are probably bound to have more lasting effects on the industry than Hillary Swank taping her breasts down is. So why not celebrate them? I understand, media politics. But riddle me this: what's the point of getting a hot babe to be their Master of Ceremonies each year? Granted, I'm sure I'd love to be standing next to Salma Hayek as well, but they know next to nothing about the awards they're presenting and there's almost a "Beauty and the Beasts" vibe to it. The concept just underscores what Hollywood thinks of its behind-the-scenes partners in crime. These people are fucking geniuses and inventors. They should be given ovations, not relegated to the "dungeons" of awards season. The whole thing just bothers me, really. Will things change? Probably not. Probably not ever. But if felt good to be given a space to rant. At least some people here are simpatico. ************ As a qucik side note Harry, Marlon Brando's voice was heard, albeit Veeeery briefly, in a clip from 'On the Waterfront.'

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  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:16 p.m. CST

    High ratings? "5 percent drop from 2004"...

    by Bong

    "Hollywood is now 0-3 in the world of major league awards shows. Following in the footsteps of both The Golden Globes and Grammy Awards, ratings for Sunday night's 77th Annual Academy Awards were down this year. Some 41.5 million viewers on average watched ABC's Oscar telecast this year, a 5 percent drop from 2004, according to Nielsen Media Research. " The numbers, released Monday afternoon, are lower than the preliminary returns widely reported earlier in the day. Monday morning ABC, which is owned by Walt Disney (Research), said ratings from the top U.S. markets showed a 30.1 rating and a 43 share. Nielsen ratings can fluctuate until they are finalized. The data that ABC released Monday afternoon, while not official until Tuesday, are a lot closer to the mark than the earlier results. While Oscar ratings for the last two years are higher than they were in 2003 -- when 33 million viewers tuned in to see "Chicago" shimmy its way to a best picture statue -- viewer levels over time show that Oscar is slowly losing his Midas touch.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:17 p.m. CST

    6. Limit Alcohol/Drug Consumption by the Presenters.

    by Spaz Medicine

    Aside from being a totally unfunny douche bacg, Sean Penn seemed like he was in a coke-induced haze. And Dustin Hoffman was totally blitzed when he presented with Barbara Stressand.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Halle Berry Razzie Award

    by mr Broots

    Why isn't it mentioned anywhere on this site that Halle Berry collected her Catwoman Razzie IN PERSON the other day?! She did a riff on her Oscar speech and said " I want to thank Warner Brothers for putting me in this crap movie...."!!! RESPECT! Does anybody have a link to a video of this speech?

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:32 p.m. CST

    The Bush bashing, "The Passion of the Christ", Beyonce singing,

    by screenplaywriter

    1. Beyonce' is a hot black singer, but the problem is like many singers she's over used and over exposed and she becomes a tedious annoyance after awhile. Especially here where she was belting out songs (thank God she didn't do "ACCIDENTALLY IN LOVE".) 2. Sean Penn (like his counterpart Tim Robbins) need to learn to quit being so uptight and also quit being a bore and a snore. The Jude Law joke by Rock was dead on, because the man was literally in everything this year, and I wouldn't make an exception next year it'll be the same thing. 3. The religious and politics bashing is over. Wake up liberals from Hollywood and all over. Bush won and God triumphs on Earth and the most high. If you don't like the world, political views, religious views, or anything else that others might like than shut up and keep your comments to yourself. I know you have to appeal to vast media perspective, but not everyone who watches the Oscars is Democrat. There are Republicans like myself who enjoy the Oscars, movies, and the arts just as much as the next guy. 4. Lastly, somebody tell these women celebrities to quit dying their hair from blonde to a dark brunette. It doesn't show maturity or prove a point, or anything. All it is, is a hopeless fad. None of you celebrity women look good with brunette hair. Keep the hairstyle you have and stick with it. Kirsten Dunst is A MAJOR HOTTIE because she keeps her hairstyle and color and doesn't give a fuck about it.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Sorry Harry, It DOES matter how long the show is

    by Logo Lou

    And they made strides over the years getting rid of numerous needless clip montages, and musical dance numbers. You may easy be able to sit on your fat ass for 4+ hours, but not most people. The "in the seats" Oscars were lame, but I didn't mind the stage line up. In fact, I think they should do it for ALL the categories.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:33 p.m. CST

    The Oscars suck

    by FreeJack

    As a person working in the offendingly-titled "technical" category of editorial, it has always irked me to no end that the actual storytellers - the editors - get short shrift every time. The Oscars do not attempt to educate the public, though...and in my opinion, they never really have. Particularly in this day and age, with DVD supplements doing so much more to inform people about the craft involved in production and post-production. The show has always been firstly about the actors, and secondly about the directors. The American public's love of "stars" supports a litany of weekly magazines, and it's why those insipid Joan Rivers red carpet shows are so popular. That's what the Oscar awards have become...a televised version of Star's fashion back-page, with some statuettes thrown in for good measure. In the highly unlikely event that I edit something that reaches this level of awards scrutiny, seeing how editors of all stripes are treated makes me highly doubt I'd even bother suiting up to attend. What's the point? Just ship me the statue, if I win...

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:34 p.m. CST

    The Oscars

    by Purgatori

    have been going downhill for years. I actually miss the good badness of the Snow White/Rob Lowe duet days. Lately it has become so self loving and a festival of big studio cocksucking that I can't stand it. Thank the Lord Peter Jackson won last year. Because after that travesty of Halle Berry winning I nearly yacked. So undeserving, but when you have a great performance like the one Sean Astin did he gets completely dissed. But he's not the only one, others have too. And that's not all of it. The one thing I truly cannot stand and shows the hights of the money hungry masses of Hollywood are the damn gift bags the presenters get. of these things would pay for my damn car. You are supposed to show up to these things to honor your fellow artist, not get a fully paid week skiing in Aspen. Or a Safari in Africa. And this is just for getting up on stage and talking for what? A minute and a half??!! It sickens me, and I agree with the words I hate Hollywood, but I love movies. Bring back the days when the Oscars were a dinner party man and stop it with this over the top bullshit.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Oscar ratings slipped

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    But they're still quite happy with the numbers, the nominees were 5 films that most of America has not seen, and probably still has no interest in seeing. They expected a bigger drop with that lineup and coming after RotK, 5 % down is a win in their books, and you can bet the small minded TV execs rack that up to Chris Rock, Beyonce, and shunting out as much as they can to give celebrities most of the screen time.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Treat the audience like the voyeurs we are

    by Kauzi Sezso

    They should stop trying to entertain us at home. It's not about us. It's about honoring those nominated. Kill the song and dance numbers. Kill the Nominated Song performances. Show those nominated, award the awards, and LET THEM TALK! Treat the rest of us like we weren't there. It would be a much, much better show if they would just stop trying to make it into a show.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:36 p.m. CST

    And by the way...

    by FreeJack it just me, or does Sean Penn's face seem permanently stuck in that, "I'm in on a joke that nobody else is," smirk? When did that happen? Makes me wanna smack the guy.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:43 p.m. CST


    by Pksoze22

    Problems The Cheap shot against Bush was unecessary. Rock should stick to the awards commentary and not politics. Another thing the audience should not clap until the end of the presentation on dead artists. Its pathetic when an uknown guy gets no claps and a famous person gets a standing ovation. Actors do need to lighten up. Rock was making a joke on Jude Law. Sean Penn and those of his ilk need to get a life.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Speaking of potentially offensive things

    by PercussionBomb

    I felt bad for anyone involved with the Oscar showcasing of "Al Otro Lado del Rio." First, Salma Hayek convinces me thoroughly that it will be the best song of all creation, simply because she is skullshatteringly hot. So I was oversold a tad on the song's goodness, but hey, it's fuckin' Salma Hayek, for the love of all things holy. Secondly, they bring in Carlos "I'll never change my tone -- not for you or anybody" Santana to play on top of over 90% of the song in case Antonio B sings a bad note or twenty. Third, Prince butchers the name of the song, not once, but twice, and differently both times. (Isn't his wife a Latina? What the hell?!) Then, to really make it awkward, Jorge Drexler accepts the award by singing the song a cappella instead of thanking ANYONE. Was it that his lyrics were speaking both his thanks and his hopes that Latino music was finally being recognized by the Academy? Or was he also digging into Tony and Chuck's brutalization of his tune by delivering a "Once more, with talent" musical middle finger in lieu of gratitude? Who knows, but I was entertained.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:45 p.m. CST

    more violence,-

    by dr.bulber

    and more reality stuff. like a race down the red carpet through an obstacle course of fire hoops and goo cannons. and bowls of slimey bugs to eat. watch your fav stars duke it out to get their claws on the oscar. and all the "little" technical people can sit in their seats and cheer.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:49 p.m. CST

    you said it, harry

    by mikkimouse

    the in-the-seat awards and miss america lineup were just demeaning. you want a shorter oscar telecast? quit performing the songs and take out the commercials.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Points to consider.

    by Djx

    1)Chris Rock had the freedom to say whatever he wanted to a worldwide audience. 2)You guys don't have to like it and this talkback is (mercifully)not broadcast worldwide. 3)Senn Penn seemed a little out of it. 4)To voicebox5, It's 'you are a...', not 'you're'. Grab a dictionary.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Way To Go Harry

    by Ockham

    I rarely post in these talkbacks, but Harry's take on last night's ceremony was spot on. Very good points one and all. I'm a real estate attorney working in Century City. I pass by the Fox Studios every day on the way to work. After every other Oscar Ceremony, come Monday morning, I question why I didn't get involved in the film industry. This year, I don't find myself asking that question.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:56 p.m. CST


    by Bouncy X

    just wanted to clear something up...Goldsmith didnt write the Voyager theme persay....that show's theme is actually music from the Generations movie. Next time you watch, pay attention to the music when we first see the Next Gen Crew on that boat. So while it's still Goldsmith, he didnt write a thing for Voyager, i guess Paramount or Rick Berman just liked it so much they made it the show's theme.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 6:56 p.m. CST

    make it two shows

    by jccalhoun

    I think they should have the first hour or two on a cable channel or PBS then have the big name awards on broadcast because even though I really like special effects and appreciate good scoring and costuming, I don't care who those people are. I barely care about best actor/actress/director/picture.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Point to consider, DJX.

    by IAmJacksUserID

    This website IS "broadcast worldwide". And the whole point is for people to say what they didn't like, not necessarily a demand to future Oscar shows. Grab a clue.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:01 p.m. CST

    I usually cry during the "Remembering the departed" segment but

    by Orionsangels

    The biggest rob of the nght, was Passion not winning best original score, regardless of what you think about the subject matter or whether you liked the movie. The music was classic, beyond moving, one of the greatest scores of the last 10 years. I'm sure everyone here has heard it, you can hum it right now, now hum me the exciting music of, finding neverland, oh you can't? probably because unmemorable garbage!

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:04 p.m. CST

    The communist won, che was celebrated. down with goverment., rig

    by Orionsangels

    Hollywood can kiss my collective ass! What's wrong Penn? Forgot where you cam from, mr PC! Chris rock offended you with his little jude law not a real star joke? The truth hurts i guess.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:07 p.m. CST

    'I hope they missed'

    by full_time_killer

    Highlight of the night; the Australian telecast was marred by constant fuck ups, but thank god the sound kicked back in for that one moment. Jeremy Irons is a god, and not even Dungeons & Dragons can take that away from him. I thought the disrespect shown to the technical awards was disgusting, but Scarlett Johanssen rocked pretty hard for hosting the sci-tech awards with the grace and dignity they deserved. I think they have gotten a pretty bum deal before; didn't Tara Reid host them one year?

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:10 p.m. CST

    The OSCARS is an outdated DINOSAUR

    by Jeditemple

    Hollywood and the Academy simply do not understand America anymore. They're living in their own little world and they don't realize how often they truly piss us off. Chris Rock should be proud of himself. He truly has sold out along with all of the Hollywood Left. Screw the Oscars...I hope it rots to hell.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:23 p.m. CST

    According to AP..........

    by Mister Man

    As expected, the 77th Annual Academy Awards telecast took a big hit in the ratings Sunday night, falling more than 21 percent below last year's numbers. The ABC telecast registered a 23.3 rating and a 34 share in primetime versus a 29.6/40 a year ago. (It peaked in the 9:00 p.m. hour with a 24.7/35) Last year's telecast saw a 17-percent rise in the ratings, largely attributed to the return of Billy Crystal as host. But even the previous year's telecast produced significantly higher ratings -- a 25.2/37. Sunday's telecast recorded an 11.7 rating among adults 18-49. The figures were in line with most industry analysts' expectations

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:24 p.m. CST


    by NNNOOO!!!

    #6 should be: "ENFORCE drug & alcohol use." That's why the Golden Globes are always more fun. The show needed more random meltdown moments like Penn's.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Bouncy X: "Oh, I'm afraid that it is you who are mistaken..."

    by MaryPoppinsWrath

    "...about a great many things." Sorry to go all Palpatine, I couldn't resist. But please, make sure you have all your facts straight before you correct people. Dennis McCarthy wrote the music for "Star Trek: Generations" -- Goldsmith had nothing to do with it. Goldsmith was comissioned to write an original theme for Star Trek: Voyager in 1995, and he did. Any resemblance to McCarthy's music for "Generations" (and I've seen the movie several times without hearing any similarity) is pure coincidence. I should note that McCarthy never sued Goldsmith for plagiarism -- and if he had indeed written the Voyager theme, we're talking a lot of royalty cash he was robbed of! If you still don't believe me, check out Jeff Bond's book "The Music of Star Trek", where he interviews Goldsmith about the comission, and the writing of the theme. I had to good fortune to meet Mr. Goldsmith before he passed on, hear him perform and talk about the Voyager theme in concert, and write about him in Film Score Monthly magazine ... you can trust me; I know whereof I speak.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:27 p.m. CST


    by NNNOOO!!!

    Ok, now you're getting me all confused on the Goldsmith credits. He didn't score "Generations", and "First Contact" (which he did do) was after Voyager started production. I don't want to have to watch "Generations" again to see if there was really a theme that got adapted from there, so could someone clarify?

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:29 p.m. CST

    whoops, see above :)

    by NNNOOO!!!

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:35 p.m. CST


    by MaryPoppinsWrath

    As I just stated, the Voyager theme was ABSOLUTELY NOT adapted from Dennis McCarthy's original "Generations" score. Goldsmith's Star Trek credentials are as follows: "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" (1979); "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier" (1989); Theme from "Star Trek: Voyager" (1995); "Star Trek: First Contact" (1996); "Star Trek: Insurrection" (1998); "Star Trek: Nemesis" (2002). All of his subsequent Trek movie scores utilized his theme from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", which was also adapted to TV in 1989 for Star Trek: The Next Generation (reportedly at Roddenberry's behest). Goldsmith's music also adorns the new Borg Adventure 4-D attraction at "Star Trek: The Experience" in Las Vegas (although there's some question as to whether Goldsmith actually wrote new music for the ride, or if his old scores were simply adapted.)

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:42 p.m. CST

    No problem, TPD :-) Oh, and one more thing...

    by MaryPoppinsWrath

    Joel Goldsmith, Jerry's son, wrote portions of the score to "Star Trek: First Contact" due to time constraints. See Jeff Bond's "The Music of Star Trek" for more info. Also, Goldsmith is sometimes wrongly credited with composing the classic Star Trek theme. Although he quotes it in his "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" score, the classic series' theme and iconic fanfare is by Alexander Courage.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Holy castrated buffalo roaming the pristine clay fields of clear

    by Neosamurai85

    What is the Oscars about? was it always the circle-jerk of extravagant baboons? Mecca of Brazilian bodies and Terry Guilliam

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Don't nominate shit like Sharktale just to round out your animat

    by Logo Lou

    That's worse than Jimmy Neutron.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Harry, i don't like you but for once...

    by Edward_nygma

    ... damn straight! Everything you said was spot on.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 7:59 p.m. CST

    [Terry Gilliam]

    by Neosamurai85

    Sorry, some finger slipping epic rant fuckups are just not acceptable. Peace.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 8:03 p.m. CST

    If the Makeup Winners had Guts...

    by Larry of Arabia

    They would have bum rushed the stage. Imagine what a great Oscar moment it would have been if an "audience" award winner ran up to the stage and said "I've been waiting my whole life to be on stage at the Academy Awards, and I'm not giving that privlidge up! Getting on stage at the Oscars in front of the whole world, being honored for your hard work and achievement is what it's all about." The crowd would have given the longest standing ovation of the night.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 8:06 p.m. CST

    sean penn made a tard out of himself

    by MiltonWaddams

    one minute he's captain serious, another he's on viva la bam doing some stupid juvenile shit. what a whiner.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 8:27 p.m. CST


    by Skraggo

    I didn't watch it, and judging from what I've read here I'm glad I didn't. They actually made the nominees line up on stage? What a bunch of reality show bullshit! "I'm sorry, Mr. Scorsese, but the Academy has spoken. Please extinguish your flame and leave the auditorium."

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 8:31 p.m. CST

    I can't believe Harry's campaigning for "class" at the Oscars...

    by Monkey Butler

    Harry, you're talking about an awards show. In Hollywood. Despite the pretensions of some of the people involved, class never comes anywhere near the Oscars. It's sad, but it's true.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Here's a Steve Martin joke cut from the 2002 Oscars...

    by FrankDrebin

    (from "The Big Show", a bland new book pulled from Premiere magazine backstage coverage): "I'm so jealous of Russell Crowe [who was linked with Meg Ryan, Nicole kidman, etc.], because he's been in some fabulous things this year." Another: "One of the nominees is Chocolat, starring Juliette Binoche and...some guy who gets to touch Juliette Binoche." Also: "Madonna married Guy Richie, who before the wedding was known as Guy Poory." And: "John Travolta can still wear the suit he wore in Saturday Night a bib."

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Holy rants Neosam...

    by Juggernaut125

    Auditioning to be Dennis Miller's replacement? Shwooo, what a rant. Anyway... About the show, first off, I have not seen any of the pictures nominated for the major awards last night (except for The Incredibles. Yeah! Incredibles!) so I had no vested interest in who won. But, due to the masochist in me, I watched the entire show. And it was, hands down, the most disappointing awards show I have ever seen. I don't blame Chris Rock. He was just a bad choice for host. Rock is a damn funny comedian but he just looked like the proverbial fish-out-of-water on stage. I blame the producers. Who ever came up with the tactless approach of handing out awards in the aisles like Monty Hall, or lining up the nominees on stage (but only for certain categories)was the most crass approach I have ever witnessed. As for the Best Original Song performances, they actually have never bothered me in the past, but I don't recall them ever using one singer to do 3 of the 5 nominated songs before. That just struck me as ludicrous. I am in complete agreement with the poster that said they're simply trying to cram her down our throats until we all realize what a naional treasure she's supposed to be. As to my favorite moment? I liked the moments at the movie theatre where everybody he talked to had never seen any of the movies nominated but they had all watched 'White Chicks'. And then Albert Brooks, saying he HAD seen all of the 5 films and that White Chicks was the best movie of the year. Now THAT'S good comedy.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Bring Back Steve Martin!

    by Darth_Durden

    I don't understand how this is a hard concept. He's the best host the Oscars has had in the last five years.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Let's try that again...

    by Neosamurai85

    Ok, so that last epic rant was one of the greatest crimes against the English language I have ever committed. So bad I felt like correcting it. So without further apologizing

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Cheeze-wiz! The anger and nastiness here! You didn't pay for a

    by FrankDrebin

    The Oscars are the very definition of mainstream--if you're expecting cutting edge, you're wasting your time. So what I'm going to do is make a list of all the names here of people who say they hated the show and then, when they're back next year saying how they hated that one, I'll remind them that they've only got themselves to blame.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 8:50 p.m. CST

    full_time_killer, Re: Sci-tech hosts

    by jocutus

    From the academy's website, here are the hosts from the last few years: 2004 - Scarlet Johansson 2003 - Jennifer Garner 2002 - Kate Hudson 2001 - Charlize Theron 2000 - Ren

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 8:51 p.m. CST

    "Auditioning to be Dennis Miller's replacement?"

    by Neosamurai85

    Hell no. I cannot or choose not to provide any evidence that I am rectum turned inside-out that some how learned to talk and actually think the shit that comes out of my mouth is funny and thought provoking when it just makes people want to pour hot wax into my ears, but I certainly would not aspire to become that. Sorry if you happen to like the guy. I once did, but as times gone by I

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Also . . .

    by jocutus

    Can we adjust the talkbacks to allow for paragraphs and separate lines (enter key)?

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 8:59 p.m. CST

    The format, in a nutshell:

    by Stan the Bat

    Why not get people who actually care about each category to speak off-the-cuff? Jesus, there's nothing worse than watching a bunch of bored celebrities struggling to read some trite, saccharine crap off a teleprompter. I tried, but I couldn't watch it.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9 p.m. CST


    by jonas grumby

    I watched the whole thing. Harry is right on. I was so frustrated watching the dead celeb segment. to see president reagan, tony randall, etc. go by without even a sentence was insulting to their memories. they did right by johnny carson (one of the show's best moments), but short changed just about everyone else. how about next year letting robin williams host. :)

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Another suggestion: get Santanna and Antonio Banderas into a rec

    by Stan the Bat

    ...and fill it to the ceiling with concrete. Then, when the block dries, use it as the base of a bridge across a deep river.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Conservatives, Shut The Fuck Up

    by Rebeck

    If you hate Hollywood, all us "liberals" and our "ilk" (read: Jews, Gays, Blacks, Italians, people who believe in evolution) then don't fucking watch the show you stupid fucks!! I'm sure there's a car race going on somewhere, or maybe just watch Fox News give our president his daily blow job. I'm so sick of these fucking red state assholes talking about how bad Hollywood is, when their president is an idiotic lying sack of shit. If you don't like us terrible sinners and we're ruining your perfect Christian society then tune out or watch Jesus get whipped to a pulp for the 100th time. You people are such fucking hypocrites.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:05 p.m. CST

    RE: Also . . .

    by Neosamurai85

    You know

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:05 p.m. CST

    There is only one thing I know for sure.

    by Jumpstart

    Not having watched the show, I make one clear assertion. The fact that the Oscars had such low ratings was because the Desperate Housewives weren't on it. I don't get the hype. I've only seen the show once, but apparently, if it doesn't include ANYTHING to do with Desperate Housewives, it's just not worth watching.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:10 p.m. CST

    One Thing to KEEP next year

    by Itchy

    Having Penelope Cruz and Salma Hayek presenting together. Holy Tamole ! I had a little golden statue in my pants after picturing the two of them in an "affectionate" embrace.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Mel Gibson and Jesus got screwed

    by KongMonkey

    When religion and art can no longer be blended without blabbering assholes raising all sorts of hell over it...awh screw it. Oscar Inc. has died anyways so why bother trying to say anything to them. Everythings going to a very ghetto hell...even the film industry.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:24 p.m. CST


    by Gimmemyp'wrd!

    Man freakin' Janet Jackson screwed us all over, used to be fun tryin' to spot a nip here and there.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Anyone else notice how werewolf movies were once again snubbed t

    by Uncle Stan

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:32 p.m. CST

    The reason Salma & Penelope co-presented is that they just finis

    by FrankDrebin

    They play a pair (or as Chris Rock would say, "a quartet") of bank robbers in turn-of-the-century Mexico. Luc Bresson has a co-writing credit on it, and the cast includes Steve Zahn (the comic relief, I'm guessing), Sam Shepard (he'll be the "Hedley Lamarr" evil rancher) & Dwight Yoakam (doing his Panic Room henchman thing). Please say there were hot tubs in old Mexico!

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Rebeck, I grant you your wish for attention.

    by Neosamurai85

    You know there are a pretty low percentage of posts that are of the republican persuasion. Why not address people by name. Nobody wants a Miggs. I almost jumped on you when you used the word conservative, because being conservative has nothing to do with being Republican, Democratic, Green

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:45 p.m. CST


    by Archduke_Chocula

    and you KNOW it academy. Incredibles was shafted for best score also.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Also....wouldn't it be neat if they had a special the night befo

    by Archduke_Chocula

    They're usually...what? 7 minutes long. That'd work.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:53 p.m. CST

    I'm a Conservative and believe in evolution. There goes your arg

    by Orionsangels

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Rebeck and his "Conservatives, Shut The Fuck Up"

    by Triumph poops!

    Dude, someone needs to take their meds and calm down before they show the entire world they're a raving lunatic -- oops, guess it's too late for that one, huh? Basically, what we can take from your childish rant is that you're a prime example of Liberal elitism and liberal compassion. Namely you believe in ANIMAL FARM politics where all animals are said to be equal, but some will clearly be more equal than others. In short, if you're not a Liberal and don't love Liberal Hollywood and their politics, fuck off and die. Hmm, nice attitude there for promoting an open discussion about anything. So tell you what, take your meds, calm down, and tomorrow go see your doctor and have him UP the voltage on your shock therapy treatments. Oh, as to the topic of the day, all of Harry's suggestions are dead on target, the show last night was truly one of the worst ever, and Chris Rock and his Bush tirade was so clearly playing to the Lib audience sitting there that it wasn't just out of place, it was stomach churning and vomit inducing in how infantile it was. As if Hollywood needed an outlet to say "Oh, sure, we lost the election, but fuck you America just the same! We're Hollywood and you'll take it up the ass anytime we say." What a bunch of classless losers.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 10:01 p.m. CST

    I pretty much agree with Harry

    by Rupee88

    The Academy Awards is not a broadcast to celebrate movies, it is a broadcast to sell movies, and stars, and to get ratings. They will try to pander and do everything they can to this end, regardless of how shameful and idiotic it is.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Bullshit at the oscars

    by camangren

    What Harry said. I think that it was really cruel to parade the nominees, and that there was no stage for some categories. What the fuck is wrong with the Academy?! Another thing I don't get is how the song of "Al otro lado del rio" won! It was awful, my ears almost exploded when Antonio Banderas sang that shit. Besides I, being fluent in spanish, didn't seem to find anything special about the lyrics. If there are no good songs then erase the fucking category! And Million Dollar Baby getting the oscar instead of The Aviator was bullshit man. I love Clint Eastwood but Million Dollar Baby sucked. In the first place no one gets into a hospital at 2 am or whatever and disconnects a person just like that and gets out. Also the german boxer would have been disqualified for cheating. THe oscars were bullshit this year. If you notice the "best movies" were The Sea Inside and Million Dollar Baby, and both are about people that want to die in a "dignified" way. Trash.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 10:05 p.m. CST

    by Russman

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 10:36 p.m. CST

    I'm not good enough for the stage!!!

    by Shayde

    I totally agree with Harry. I couldn't even tell what the animated categories were. Not even letting them on the stage was demeaning enough... but to not even show a picture of their work was appalling. That, and the bullshit Americal-idol like "Let's get them all up there and THEN say who won" Degrading and uncomfortable. Then they censor Rock's Star Jones joke. The people in charge of the Oscars should retire and let the ones who do the MTV Movie awards to take over.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 10:43 p.m. CST

    drunk and still remembering

    by ChickenGeorgeVII


  • Feb. 28, 2005, 10:48 p.m. CST

    I agree (about something)

    by Harrierthanthee

    Chris rock is funny but steve martin, oh he makes me laugh. The oscars this year was only slightly better than watching independence day on fox again. i was disappointed that there were no clips for the shorts and docs and stuff, cause then you don't know what the hell they are talking about, nor do you care. As for music, they should have nominated Spidey 2's Vindicated by Dashboard Confessionals over that shrek shit.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Conservatives in H-wood

    by Mister Man

    Although you have your Clinton-lovin' Spielberg, Hanks, blah, blah, blah, the majority of the decision makers in the industry are more often than not, Republicans. Actors are not the industry, per se. They are the tools of the trade who have somehow gotten out of their cages. I have zero problem with folks speaking their minds, but is it necessary to turn the Awards monologue into a rant? This whole blue/red bullshit will disappear soon, but in the meantime, don't tell me all those "blue" states love Chris Rock. "Hollywood Liberalism" is not "Mainstream Liberalism" - apples and oranges.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Chris Rock wasn't the problem. He was the part of the show that


    I agree with all who say the "Beauty pageant" lineups and the "in the aisle" awards were horrible inclusions to the show. AND AMEN to the TBer who claims the Lumet daughter was the hotness of the whole program. Oh my GAWD!! Get that girl a career STAT! I want to see her calendar on my wall. She's hired. The end.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Give us Triumph

    by V. Darkroom

    Chris Rock's good, I like Chris Rock. Steve Martin, too. But how unbelievably great would it be to have the Oscars hosted by Triumph The Insult Comic Dog? "Nee-cole Keed-man is here, yes." "That was a great original song--for me to poop on!" "Yes, and now we have the death montage, yes. Is very sad, yes."

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 11:22 p.m. CST

    And to Voicebox, Screenplaywriter and Triumph... Bush is a crook


    You want to talk about lack of compassion and insensitivity to our armed forces? There's the man who has been the worst to the troops. There's nothing Chris Rock could EVER say that would be as much as a fraction as cruel and inumane to our soldiers as what your boy W has sentenced them to. As a liberal, I take shit from people like you for "not supporting the troops" because I've always been against Bush's crusade in the middle east. Well I say FUCK YOU. I'm the one who wants them back home with their families instead of on the other side of the planet, dying for Bush's lunacies. And don't pretend it has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats. You know for a fact if Clinton had initiated a war for no good reason and lied like a son of a bitch time and time again to make it happen, you would have called for his head before the first American troop was shot down. But with W in the White House, the troops are dying for the "greater good." Their "protecting our freedom." BULLSHIT. They're protecting George Bush's desire to do whatever the fuck he feels like. And I'm tired of paying to see them die for it and being forced to be proud of it. Wake up and smell the reality, guys.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Chicken George... Never... been... funnier.


    That was one for the record books, my friend. Truth to tell, I've tended to think you were kind of odd with the ability to hit a good joke on occasion, but that post was pure comedy gold. BRAVO!!! Author! Author!

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Amen, Lightstormer

    by Rebeck

    So well put. You articulated my feelings perfectly, much better than my "hotheaded rant". I'm gonna' take my meds and let you do all the talk-backing from now on.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Mister Man - and Halle

    by WayOutWest

    Mister Man, no they're not. But they do have something in common with Republicans - they LOVE money! Of course when a Liberal makes money (like Hillary giving $1k to some guy who invests it for her and it magically turns into $100k) it's a Good Thing - because they do Good Things with their money. Evil Republicans do terrible things - like spend it and stimulate the economy, keeping many people employed. And I'm always amazed that blacks feel like Halle Berry is one of theirs. Guess what? She's the product of a black dad, who beat mom and left, and a white woman, who raised her. Hollywood doles out a few Oscars from time to time to black stars (who make them hundreds of millions of dollars) - but there are no top black studio heads. The Liberals perpetuate the myth that Republicans only hire their golf playing buddies, but look at Hollywood - THE most nepotistic industry on the face of the earth. Bush puts Condy Rice and Powell in positions of power - but they're just 'tokens' and the Liberal media all but calls him a racist. The hypocrisy is amazing. PS - I'm an independent.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Gracias, Rebeck.


    But hopefully you won't hang up your spurs so soon. These squabbles always get mighty ugly and tend to escalate in numbers. It's nice to have support.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Maybe Oral Roberts University Could Sponsor an Awards Show

    by cookylamoo

    for conservatives. Dennis Miller could host. No Anti Bush jokes there. In fact, no jokes at all.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 11:46 p.m. CST


    by SoonerSean

    Every award that's given out during the evening should be the same... show the nominees in their seats with clips from the movies... then let the winner(s) take the stage. If it's about the time it takes to do the show, kill the 5 "Best Song" performances or radically cut the numbers to one minute or less. If they must stay, don't have one Beyonce type doing three of them. I thought she was horrible, particularly in the duet. But I'm ashamed of the way the Academy treated the technical nominees and winners.

  • Feb. 28, 2005, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Don't cut off the damn speeches

    by Vern

    I agree with most of Harry's criticisms there, but the main thing is, if you're gonna cut off the speeches after 45 seconds, why even have the god damn thing anyway? you might as well just have Dustin Hoffman read off a list of who the winners are and then cut to E entertainment's coverage of the dresses. Think of every Oscar telecast in history, and except for the naked guy on stage, pretty much every memorable moment was a speech. This year's Oscars were yesterday and the only speech I remember was Jamie Foxx's. And his ran over 45 seconds. And it was just a rehash of his speech from the Golden Globes. I know people always complain about the length of the Oscars, but you know what? FUCK PEOPLE. People are assholes. People will complain about everything. In this case, they are plain wrong, that is a scientific fact. People can spend 3 hours watching a baseball several times a week, then I'm sure they can muster up enough manhood to watch the Oscars once in 365 fucking days. If not, they can read who won on imdb, and everyone is happy. p.s. Chris Rock was good, it was nice to see he didn't have to completely sell his soul in order to get on this thing. Definitely funnier than anyone since David Letterman.

  • March 1, 2005, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Rebeck and Lightstormer...

    by DoctorWho?

    Get a room.

  • March 1, 2005, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Welcome to Democracy, Afghanistan and Iraq.

    by cookylamoo

    Soon, you too will know the joy of choosing between two millionaires who will pass money among their rich friends while cutting services to the poor. Yes, you too will be able to vote against your own self-interest and to deprive rights to minorities.

  • March 1, 2005, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Voice Box.


    Since I guess I never clarified, the war in Afghanistan isn't something I had a big problem with. The war in Afghanistan was justified. At the time, the guy who led the attack against our country was still living there, until Bush and Rumsfeld gave him just enough time to get the hell out of there. >>"the people are finally going to have a democratically elected government that will bring them out of the stone age and into a world that promotes freedom and equality."<< Right; unless you're a woman, which means you will still be publicly beaten for, say, sitting in the front seat of a car. And obviously I would "just as well deny them" things like "roads, a banking system..., schools, electricity, running water and irriation." It's obvious the last thing I have for any humans on this planet is something as foolish as compassion. You're such a wonderful judge of character and in no way given to mischaracterization by any means! Yeah, I suppose it's just like me and my liberal kind to shout out our old favorite saying: "Bomb the fuckers back to the stone age!" Oh, wait... maybe I'm confusing liberals with a different group. And I like how in-depth your position is on Iraq. Quote: "Okay, now let's move on to Iraq. Hmm... same story here." And that's it. Wow. How mighty an argument with such a concise economy of words. I bow to you. And as for Lebanon, no shit we didn't step foot into the place. It wasn't on Bush's agenda. Iraq was a personal grab from the start. That's why Bush's cabal are going to spend about half a Trillion dollars on Iraq and have spent just a fraction of that much on the country where bin Laden's base of operations was. Fighting terrorism is not their agenda. At best, it's an ancillary benefit to them. Any progress made --whether related or not to any actions we actually took-- is simply further PR fodder for them. >>"And YOU go to Iraq or Afghanistan, meet with the troops on the ground, and tell me that they aren't doing the right thing. In fact, why don't you look some of the troops up who have returned home and ask some of them?"<< How about I ask the ones that are suppposed to be out of the military by now but are stop-lossed into Bush's "back-door draft" into perpituity? If they're so overjoyed to be "doing the right thing" why are so many trying to get out only to be slapped in the face with Bush's stop-loss policy? I applaud every single one of our troops for serving their country and I further applaud the ones who willfully choose to go back or to stay there, but that is NOT what every one of them decides to do. Regardless, the fact remains Bush sent them to Iraq for his own purposes and desires and lied repeatedly to make it happen. He was going to send people to take over Iraq, the truth and the will of the American public be damned. So why don't YOU take a moment to locate the nearest family to you who has lost a loved one in this ill-conceived war (it's not too hard to find one... there are over FIFTEEN HUNDRED of these families) and remind them that they died for a good reason... because George Bush was willing to let them. >>"How does it feel to be on the losing side of the argument, Lightstormer?"<< Hard to say, Voicebox. I'll let you know when I get there.

  • March 1, 2005, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Oh boy Rebeck

    by Neosamurai85

    You can hear it in the leaves

  • March 1, 2005, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who? Heh. Point taken.


    Yeah, it's kind of hard to express admiration or friendship on a Talkback without it being touchy-feely. Touche'.

  • March 1, 2005, 12:32 a.m. CST

    "And to Voicebox, Screenplaywriter and Triumph... Bush is a croo

    by Triumph poops!

    Well, I can't speak for the others, but last year through real estate holdings, I cleared 7 figures. In other words, life is good these days. So I guess that shits all over your arrogant post right from the start -- even though the rest of your lunatic raving likewise sounds like the barkings of a foaming at the mouth dog rolling madly about in the dirt who was already saddled with rabies, but who's now ALSO crippled by mad cow disease due to some bad puppy chow he ate. Voicebox 5 summed it up perfectly - Afghanistan and Iraq are now free countries holding free elections, something they DIDN'T have before. Granted "who" might ultimately come to power is something time will tell, but at least for now it's NOT a homicidal maniac and tyrant like Saddam Hussein and it's NOT a tried-and-proven terrorist harboring thug regime called the Taliban. And as Voicebox also correctly noted, as of today, the terror regime of Syria just up and resigned and is leaving Lebanon without a single Western or U.N. soldier needing to even set foot there. Could it be that all the previous Lib politics of placating and just HOPING terrorists or dictatorships would magically go away is being replaced by the cold, hard reality of the Bush doctrine that sometimes you simply HAVE to go kick the bad guy's ass to make them leave? Or make them blink and question your resolve or standards? Why, yes, it is. Which is why the news from Lebanon today once again proves that being a Lib must truly suck as you're yet again exposed as the utterly incompetent, cowardly, miscalculating losers you've always been. The good news? The way things are going you'll lose even more Congressional seats in the midterm elections and thanks to Lib poster boys like Ward Churchill (another liberal psychopath) you guys won't be touching the Oval Office in '08 again either.

  • March 1, 2005, 12:46 a.m. CST

    A comment was made to me, but I lost it in all this mess

    by Mister Man

    But I think it was implied I was incorrect in saying most of Hollywood is Republican. Sorry, but I should know. Are most of them "closet"???? Yes, you bet. Although the studios now control the media, the top dogs are making so much $$, they let the yappers say whatever they want. Unless you're discussing Fox. Remember, you're speaking of some of the richest folks in the nation. Do you really think the fat cats CARE if Sean or Tim run around with their panties in a wad????? Please. Anyway, folks, concise is nice. Keep your rants to a minimal, 'cause we all just skip the long ones.

  • March 1, 2005, 12:51 a.m. CST

    I suppose "minimum" was more correct, but whatever

    by Mister Man

  • March 1, 2005, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Triumph...

    by Rebeck

    Everything is hunky-dory over there in Iraq, just swell. That's why 100 Iraqis were blown to bits this morning. It's so much easier to pontificate about "success" when your lameass isn't over there fighting and dying, isn't it?

  • March 1, 2005, 12:58 a.m. CST

    And Lighstormer...

    by Rebeck

    Don't apologize for our love-that-dare-not-speak-its-name.

  • March 1, 2005, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Beyonce Sang Beautifully, but...

    by MrStinger power is getting FIVE different popular singers to perform the nominees for best song, not having one person sing most of them. This category is usually so lame they might as well have a "one verse/one chorus" medley, and use the extra time to let the winners make the walk to the stage. And what's wrong with clip montages? I remember being inspired as a youngster to see many older films from seeing the familiar clips--finally saw "On The Waterfront" this past week, and WOW was it great. And during the tribute to those who passed on, use a montage of music appropriate to those who died, and mix in some sounds from the movies (they are TALKIES after all, and playing Bach over them turned them into silents).

  • March 1, 2005, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Mr. Man, I've Been In The Business 15 Years..

    by Rebeck

    And I've met ONE Republican. He was a Catholic conspiracy-loving anti-government nut-job like Mel. (I was raised Catholic, and somehow got through it without being molested - small miracle, and what strong moral authority the church has these days) The creative people that drive the industry (not the always and often replaceable suits) are all very liberal and progressive with their politics. It goes with the territory and it's why the right hates the industry. We have this terrible "agenda" that all people should be treated with respect and dignity. Disgusting I know.

  • March 1, 2005, 1:12 a.m. CST

    For the first time...

    by uberman

    I did not watch. There was not a film that interested me aside from Hotel Rawanda. The rest I'll rent. Talk about a dull year at the movies....

  • March 1, 2005, 1:22 a.m. CST

    I am very sorry I said the things I did.....

    by ChickenGeorgeVII

    I suppose my commentary earlier was a little insensitive. I don

  • March 1, 2005, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Routh dumped for Welling?!

    by Whedon Hopefully Singer will walk and get back to X-3

  • March 1, 2005, 2:05 a.m. CST

    For the first time in many years I didn't watch it

    by moviemaniac-7

    To be quite honest, I only watched last year because of Return of the King sweeping all Oscars. Big Hollywood defeated by those Kiwis. In your face! I didn't watch this year because of the afore mentioned 'awarding people in the audience'. If anything, I think that the work of sound editors and all those people behind the scenes make a movie truly memorable. And why not make the animated and foreign movies part of the Best Film nominees. Does Hollywood feel threatened by them?? I can point out ten animated and foreign movies (but not here) that were many times better than M$B.

  • March 1, 2005, 2:10 a.m. CST


    by Mister Man

    Guess we're in different areas of the industry. The artists are in the forefront, of course. But if you've met only ONE Republican, then you must work only on the set.

  • March 1, 2005, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Oh People Please SHUT THE PHUCK UP! I'm Tired Of All The B!tchin

    by The Founder

    I'm 33 years old, and I've never beren able to stomach the boring ness of the oscars, and I highly suspect that majority here hasven't either. All those so called atrsy films are most of the time a snoozefest. I did like MDM though, but it didn't deserve best picture. That sshould've gone to The Incrediables. Truth be told Hotel Rwanda was the best film of the eyar if you are going to go for the live action films with artistic merit. I thought Chris Rock was good, although he was restrained by the execs, and that s something that will never be told. This is the first honest to god time that I've watched the show in it's entireity, and that was because Chris rock was announced as the host, and i suspect it's the reason that the 18-34 demographic was up, and that is what hollywood wants. I agree with everybody when i say that the cattle lining up and the awards at your seat was terriable. Overall i was ok with the show, if rock isn't back next year then i won't watch it .

  • March 1, 2005, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Rock was watered down by the Execs and you all know it.

    by The Founder

    I bet 10 bucks that Rock had to turn in a transcript of his material, and it had to be approved by the powers that be.

  • March 1, 2005, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Oh, puh-leeeze, Rebeck. Give it a rest about Hollywood is ALL Li

    by Big Dumb Ape

    If the "business" you're talking about being involved with for 15 years is Hollywood and you've only met ONE Republican in all that time than I can safely declare you must be a person that never leaves home OR at best has 3 low budget, independent, non-Union, gopher-level credits to your name from years ago that you're still thumping your chest about, daydreaming of past glory while you now currently work at the Northridge Mall or throw the switch on the Santa Monica pier ferris wheel to make some coin. Puh-leeze, if you guys around here want to get into a pissing match about the politics of Liberals vs. Republicans or over Iraq, that's fine. But, seriously, QUIT with the laughable and pretentious Liberal chest thumping that there are NO Republicans out here. I've been living and working in Hollywood for that same period and I meet Republicans on a daily basis no problem -- be it in studio offices while taking meetings or wandering the lots and finding them amongst the teamsters. The same as you would find people of ALL political slants no matter where you go so long as you keep your eyes open. The whole "Hollywood is nothing but Liberals" argument is way oversimplified and stated. In fact, what it really comes off sounding like is a last gasp of desperation on the part of the Left to scream out, "We DO still matter! We ARE here! No matter how much we LOSE in a fair election, WE should really be in control! So you WILL listen to us and you will OBEY our politics or else...or else...or else, gosh darn it, we'll stomp our feet and we won't film your CSI this week! There, how's that? That'll teach you, you terrible Red States!" I mean, come on! Seriously, enough with the whole "Hollywood is nothing but us proud Libs locked arm in arm stance." Besides, before you crow too loudly, maybe you need to read a series of LA TIMES articles from back during the election which noted a fascinating trend in California politics anyway, one that has the DNC itself shitting in its pants. First, all studies from both the DNC and the RNC show that the 2 fastest growing population blocks in California are now the immigrant Mexican community and the immigrant Asian community -- BOTH of which are registering disproportionately Republican over Democrat, much to the dismay of the DNC. Secondly, the fastest growing URBAN areas in California are no longer the core Democratic cities such as LA or San Fran, but rather villages and towns that are INLAND where land and housing and rent is far more affordable to lower wage workers or cost effective to businesses starting up. These areas are springing up north and south and are booming. The result: a DNC memo from last year conceded that in under 10 years time -- likely within the next 2 Presidential election cycles -- California would no longer be a locked blue state, but rather a true mix of political leanings. Does that mean it will be a Red State? No, but even the DNC conceded that its own studies show that given the current large scale influx of immigrants moving INTO California coupled with the urban flight of traditional "white" voters who are more and more choosing to move OUT of state is now tipping the state to the middle, meaning within under a decade California will be a true "moderate" state where either side could take any election now.

  • March 1, 2005, 3:02 a.m. CST

    i think a lot of Repubs really buy into Bush's simplified video

    by SirBiatchReturns

    "There are bad guys in Iraq/Afghanistan...they are colored with white turbans. Take a gun and try to shoot them. You have 100% health and not enough ammunition". It is fucking digusting to read some of the talkbackers opinions. What an arrogant piece of shit some of you are to judge people from another culture as being entirely bad and that democracy is the only way of freedom. What arrogant nonsense. i can't believe that someone actually referred to the Iraqi/Afghani leaders as 'bad guys' and thus they must be taken out. What absolute garbage. coming from someone who has lived in the Middle East extensively, there is no such thing as a cardboard cutout bad guy. It is all politics. And while i agree that Saddam and the Taliban were terrible leaders in most cases, why not let the people sort out that problem themselves? it does not mean that "your" way is any better too. Besides, what about all the poverty/ethnic cleansing that goes on in Rwanda and some areas of Africa, where it is ABSOLUTELY serious?! they don't need a helping hand from evil people?! of course not. they have nothing to offer you hypocritical Repubs. at least, not yet. perhaps when you collect all their diamonds in one full sweep, then we'll suddenly see American troops wasting their lives trying to get it. Bottom line is that there are some very good Republicans out there, but some of you guys really need to be segmented off into your own country/planet.

  • March 1, 2005, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Does everything on here have to turn into a fucking poltical deb

    by MyNameDoesn'tFit

    I thought this was a site about movies. Fuck.

  • March 1, 2005, 3:22 a.m. CST


    by alpha

    Million Dollar Baby is Best Picture and people think thats a good thing. The dullest most predictable film nominated wins. Poor old Scorcese he showed the good taste and restraint to finish on Hughes's last semi triumph b4 spiralling down into total recluse which is why he lost. Frankly The Incredibles, Motorcycle Diaries, Passion, A very long Engagement and House of Flying Daggers would of been a better list of Best Film nominees. I'll give Swank, Foxx, Blanchett and Freeman their due they deserved their wins but Clint won only because he's an actor and most of the votes come from actors. They have got to change the system or they'll keep getting results like this. The following actor turned director films beat films which have become cultural touchstones and will be remembered long after the others are forgotten -Ordinary People beats Raging Bull & the Elephant Man, Annie Hall beats Star Wars, A Beautiful Mind beats Fellowship of the Ring, and to a lesser extent Braveheart beats a swag of films which made it a close hard race that any could of won, and Dances with Wolves beats Goodfellas. Its a really disturbing trend especially since actors tend to appreciate the juicy acting roles (read tragic) that mean the films can maybe be watched once by the average viewer - heck who could watch that last hour of Clint Eastwood dancing around pointing out how terrible life is again. Heck what would Clint know about tragedy the guys in his 70's his mums 96 hes got lots of kids and has been succesful for almost 50 years - the guy knows about as much about the suffering of the poor and downtrodden at this point as Queen Elizabeth or Donald Trump. The disrespect shown to the techies and short film sums up the academy's actorcentric view of the world.

  • March 1, 2005, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Wise words from the Land of the "Free"

    by Bart of Darkness

    "If you don't like the world, political views, religious views, or anything else that others might like than shut up and keep your comments to yourself." Yup, that's US democracy for you. Shut up and keep your comments to yourself. Nothing like a free exchange of views (and that was nothing like one!)

  • March 1, 2005, 3:55 a.m. CST


    by Gluecifer

    " Bush won and God triumphs on Earth and the most high. If you don't like the world, political views, religious views, or anything else that others might like than shut up and keep your comments to yourself." Well, fuck you, man, fuck you! Why should they shut up???? Isn't it the greatest democracy on earth (big laugh)? And why don't the republican people of Hollywood open their fuckin' mouth? Too afraid to shock?

  • March 1, 2005, 4:23 a.m. CST

    ''God triumphs on Earth and the most high.''

    by ScaryJim

    LOL, how high ? is that like everest high or merely Ben nevis ? Can i have then co ords of God's most highest ?

  • March 1, 2005, 4:31 a.m. CST

    "And why don't the republican people of Hollywood open their fuc

    by Triumph poops!

    Why do Republicans of Hollywood (or any town for that matter) have to open their mouths now, or for that matter to please you? Seems to me you'd better check your calender, buddy, because last I checked mine it was March 1 and the elections were over 4 months ago. The Republicans of Hollywood (and everywhere else) DID open their mouths which is why Bush is now sitting in the Oval Office having won the electoral vote and -- yes, libs, suck on it -- the popular vote as well, to the tune of several million votes over Kerry. There's your shock you asked for, Gluecifer, so deal with it. It's called REALITY.

  • March 1, 2005, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Big Dumb Ape

    by ScaryJim

    incidentally i thought it was mainly (as an outside observer to USA'S politics) the republicans calling Hollywood generally (to paraphrase) 'a bunch of whiny ass liberals ' any one that would find joy in living in a wholly liberal or republican scenario would basically be living in a dictatorship and thats ..well rather undemocratic and nothing to boast about really (and also untrue) . I understand it's a whole lot easier to think in basic left and right ideals but life just isn't that simple.

  • March 1, 2005, 4:50 a.m. CST

    GIL CATES -- read this and learn

    by Spacesheik

    Using "technical" awards as a means of creating a 2nd class system where people are paraded on the stage = bad taste. Stop using flash in the pan younger non-actors to woo audiences (jake gythenall etc). Stop using the pretentious Gwyneth Paltrow (who thank goodness didnt get a chance to show off her 'languages'). The Memorium sequences shouldnt be organized in order of importance or prestige - having Brando in the end was a slap in the face of all the departed actors before him - last one usually gets the most cheers anyway. Pairing two Spanish chicks (Cruz with Hayek) with each other was a joke and a tad ridiculous. Please NEVER let Antonia Banderas ever sing again. Cut the fucking musical numbers - now I think Beyoncee is one sexy chick but THREE fucking numbers -- mostly shitty songs ---was overkill. Stop trying to be hip -- Chris Rock wasnt that funny and his repertoire of jokes was mostly based on black vs white jokes. He had no class; Steve Martin has class, Carson has class, Bob Hope has class - and they all had acerbic wit -- something Rock - with his tupid Magic Johnson videotape skit etc - could never achieve -- btw that whole segment should have been more at home in Jay Leno than at the Oscars -- "alien vs predator was my fave film" har har. "I loved white chicks" har har. "I liked Riddick" har har -- give me a fucking break. And there were lots of gaffes (people runnign around trying to give the host envelopes, weird sounds, etc).Jeremy Irons = you did nicely with that fast retort. Please stop having actors walk aroudn the audience giving out awards...I felt bad for Blanchett. The Awards music sucked. WTF were they thinking when Morgan Freeman won the Oscar and walked away while they played Jerry Goldsmith's STAR TREK theme? Did they fucking think he was Captain Sisko? WTF? The music before and after presenters was badly organized and chosen. Rock was a flop -- not as bad as David Letterman -- but still bad. I hated the camera pans up to the roof of the auditorium with all the clips showing on those interconnected cunes....Why the fuck did they keep the camera on Clive Owen so long even AFTER Freeman won the Oscar? I really felt bad for the future Bond - speaking of future Bonds, Pierce brosnan with that animated character from INCREDIBLES just didnt click -- Brosnan still comes across as too "stiff" and "posturing." This show reminds me of that ill fated Oscar show with Donald Sutherland and Peter Coyote sitting in a booth doing interviews -- that was beyond fucking bad.. Gil Cates really needs to let someone else take over ----The only high points of the show were the Sidney Lumet classy segment, the beginning montage with films, anything with Eastwood and Freeman and Scorcese, the Jeremy Irons quiq -- the rest was blah...Im still tortured by Antonio Banderas yelling out "Rema! Rema! Rema!" - what a terrible segement.

  • March 1, 2005, 5:07 a.m. CST


    by Spacesheik

    John Debney's PASSION score was one of the best scores of the last decade; moving, rousing, beautiful. It should have won.

  • March 1, 2005, 5:10 a.m. CST

    another classic moment

    by Spacesheik

    That nominated dude who feigned sleeping while the camera panned down the aisle while the nominees were announced was also *classic* --- he had more wit in those few seconds than Rock did in his whole show.

  • March 1, 2005, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Everybody should have gone to the WINCHESTER

    by Jugs

    drank some beer and eaten hog lumps instead. PS Dogs can look up!

  • March 1, 2005, 6 a.m. CST

    spacesheik you're totally right. that sleeping guy was funny as

    by SirBiatchReturns

    I was like: 'is this dude sleeping?!' and i just started laughing. brilliant timing.

  • March 1, 2005, 6:06 a.m. CST

    "African Americans around the world"

    by BarrelRider

    Heehee! Couldn't resist! Humor aside though - I agree with everything Harry said - this night should be about recognition of talent, not something designed to pull in good ratings.

  • March 1, 2005, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Republicans of Hollywood

    by Gluecifer

    "Why do Republicans of Hollywood (or any town for that matter) have to open their mouths now, or for that matter to please you?" So why should the Democrats of Hollywood have to shut their mouths now, EVEN AFTER THIS FUCKIN' ELECTION? Just because Bush is there for four more years they can's talk about it anymore? Bullshit, man, bullshit! That's a perfect time to talk about it! The moron has won, so what, everbody should shut the fuck up? I don't think so... THAT'S the reality, dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • March 1, 2005, 6:42 a.m. CST

    That *is* interesting - awarding Oscars to any exceptional movie

    by scrumdiddly

    Instead of the best of what the year has to offer, regardless of merit.

  • March 1, 2005, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Hollywood is about The Show - they don't care about content.

    by scrumdiddly

  • March 1, 2005, 6:57 a.m. CST


    by Darth Kong

    First...where is KUBRICK on your poll there Harry? Most deserving director ever not to win an Oscar! As if it wasn't bad enough not to award the man in his life with a statue, NOW he gets left off an AICN poll? That sucks.

  • March 1, 2005, 7:14 a.m. CST

    RE: Original Song

    by The Tao of Joe

    There were actually two original songs this year that were very good, and didn't get nominated. Jon Brion wrote an original song for both Etertnal Sunshine (Strings that Tie To You) and I heart Huckabees (Knock Yourself Out), both of which were great songs that captured the idea of the movie. The fact that they were over looked for that crappy song from Shrek (it's scary that the Counting Crows ever had a chance of taking the gold). I do think Harry is right about Adapted Song. They should just put original and adapted together, because Rufus Wainwright's Ticket to Paradise from The Aviator was just grand, and Seu Jorge's Bowie Covers in Life Aquatic was one of the only reasons that movie was worth seeing in the first place.

  • March 1, 2005, 7:49 a.m. CST


    by Spacesheik

    You know I grew up in the 70s watching the Oscars and seeing folks like Paul Newman, Robert Redford, Gene Hackman, Jane Fonda, Barbra Streisand, David Niven, William Holden, Sophia Loren etc etc appear on the shows as guest presenters -- compare that list to the folks we have appear now (Gwyneth Paltrow, Jake Gyllenthall, Drew Barrymore, Salma Hayek, etc etc) --- its fucking depressing. What happened to the bone fide charismatic FILM STARS?

  • March 1, 2005, 8:32 a.m. CST

    You gotta love the irony! People here bashing actors for using

    by FrankDrebin

    --are using a website about entertainment shows to express their political opinions.

  • March 1, 2005, 8:51 a.m. CST

    They don't have political opinions, they have angst.

    by scrumdiddly

  • March 1, 2005, 9:08 a.m. CST

    One way to make the Oscars better -- LIGHTEN UP, BE CREATIVE

    by Kikstad

    The problem with the Oscars is that they're boring. Despite the hyped misconception that people only watch the Academy Awards to see "what the celebrities are wearing," people tune in because they're FILM BUFFS. Be creative with the show then -- use film history. Get some of those classic actors from yesteryear up on stage presenting with the young thespians of today. Hire someone to think outside the box. I'm not saying to turn the Oscars into the MTV Movie Awards, the Oscars still need to be "classy" -- but LIGHTEN UP a bit. For an industry that seems to have sold its soul to the devil to attract a hip young demographic in the box-office, they're awards ceremony is more geriatric than any other. It makes no sense. The Oscars need to be fun and hip and at the same time they need to acknowledge the immense history and legacy of cinema that has come before. When the focus of the broadcast seems to be more on the carpet entry and fashion instead of a look at the art and magic of movie-making, acting, and story-telling, then you know something is wrong.

  • March 1, 2005, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Totally agree on the stage line-up

    by DannyOcean01

    When I first saw it I naively thought it'd be the same for everyone. On an adult level we're singling out the technical staff from the cosmetic, stars, but on a basic level, we're confirming to the kids that there'll always be some people more important than others when it comes to the creation of something. It's like temps in an office getting short thrift even though they're some of the hardest workers. On a selfish, ego popping level I really wanted to see the stars on stage.

  • March 1, 2005, 9:20 a.m. CST

    As an addendum

    by DannyOcean01

    The best part of the Oscars for me has always been the In Memorium. For one, it revealed how pathetically impotent the majority of Hollywood's output has got as well as celebrating the sheer excellence of many of those who've passed away. For some reason this segment seems to be getting worse and worse.

  • March 1, 2005, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Come on, people!

    by Grey_Bard

    I'm a libertarian, so I don't belong to either of the two major political camps incessantly duking it out in America. I have no great love in my heart for the current president. And you know what? I would have hated that political rant no matter who it was aimed at. Dude, this is the Oscars. Movies, man! A quick one liner about one politician or another is one thing, but I don't think it is really that crazy an idea to focus most of the host patter on movies and movie-people. Hosts shouldn't hijack the show for political means... you have to win an award to do that!

  • March 1, 2005, 9:46 a.m. CST

    The Stage

    by Darth Sticky

    I'm sorry...but if I were presenting an award to someone in the aisle, I'd have stuck it to the asshole TV producer and escorted the winner to the stage. Then I would have said into the microphone, "You have all the time in the world. Thank everyone you know." Then maybe, just maybe, I'd have gone to the edge of the stage to threaten the conductor that if he started waving his baton, I'd cram it up his crack. Of course...that's not classy...but makes for good TV. Fuck ABC.

  • March 1, 2005, 10:13 a.m. CST


    by Spacesheik

    I'd rather have lengthier speeches with no time limit than fucking boring musical interludes like the one with Antonio Banderas or that horrible song from "polar express" or the unknown one from "phantom."

  • March 1, 2005, 10:16 a.m. CST

    "African-Americans around the world," Harry?

    by scaler

    Maybe you're not aware of this, Harry, but black people living in other countries are not African-American. And they take offense when they are described as African-American. Maybe Foxx actually used the phrase "African-Americans around the world," in which case he should be corrected, but, in any case, there was no reason you had to repeat his gaff. Next time, try to think it through a little better.

  • March 1, 2005, 10:16 a.m. CST


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  • March 1, 2005, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Chris Rock's Magic Johnson skit

    by Spacesheik

    If I was black I'd be more offended by the way Chris Rock did his skit than by anything else. Chris Rock doing a skit about African Americans and their lowest common denominator artistic demoninator tastes (i.e. White Chicks, Riddick etc)- I didn't see any Whites in that Magic Johnson theatre -- I think it's shameful that Rock - instead of showing how America or America's young (devoid of race) has trashy taste in films - focuses on his own race, ridiculing them. And that line he made to the lady about 'having more babies' or something like that, she even gave him a nasty look. Shameful.

  • March 1, 2005, 11:34 a.m. CST

    How you say...Ah yes...

    by Kid Z

    ...Antonio Banderas. Why the effin' hell was he picked to friggin' sing? Go into any bar on a Friday and toss a rock and you can hit a better "singer" on the head!

  • March 1, 2005, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Sam Peckingpaw?

    by NiceMarmot

    Currently listed as an Oscar-less director on the front page poll. While I I thought The Ballad of Cabel Hoagie and The Wild Bundts were Oscar worthy, I decided to vote Howards Hocks instead. Anyway, one thing I'd like to see change about the Oscars is fixing the supporting actor/actress categories. Too many main characters find their way into this either to avoid cancelling themselves out of the main acting categories or because the field there looks too strong. Jamie Foxx as best supporting actor for Collateral? He was the main character in the fucking movie for chrissakes! In fact, of all the noms in that category, only Alan Alda's role in The Aviator actually fit a proper description of 'supporting actor'. Just seems pretty shitty to keep guys like Brian Cox and JK Simmons down just so Jamie Foxx can be greedy.

  • March 1, 2005, 11:51 a.m. CST

    The best film of the year wasn't even nominated for the best fil

    by Spike Fett

    I mean, at least half this country is of the opinion that THE PASSION was the best film of the year, so why the fuck would they watch an awards ceremony when it wasn't even nominated? The same goes for the other half who wanted to see Fahrenheit 9/11 up for best picture. Without these two duking it out, the awards never had a chance.

  • March 1, 2005, 12:31 p.m. CST

    I'm Glad Brando Won "Most Popular Dead Guy".

    by cookylamoo

    Hah!! In your face, Ronald Reagan!

  • March 1, 2005, 12:49 p.m. CST

    The Oscars were not only terribly dull, but were the worst in th

    by CyberBeavis1326

    I agree with Harry on some things, for once. I couldn't read the whole damn rant. I really didn't mind the new handing out set up, maybe a bit offensive, but it didn't hurt either, as long as they get their moment and are allowed to speak. It's all about that moment. The lining up part was dumb however. I also though John Debney was screwed ove for score. "Finding Neverland" who will buy that one, nobody, but lots of people wanted and bought "Passion"'s score. As one said it was moving and excellent. I know I cry when I listen to it, cause it stirs up the emotions. The song catagory should have been dropped this year due to lack of song choice. Unless they nominated "Team America Fuck Yeah!!!" from "Team America", "Breakaway" from "Princess Diaries 2", "Malaguena Salerosa" from "Kill Bill 2", and "Old Habits" from "Alfie." After that, Beyonce should never sing, I felt she ruined the songs. You don't have an R&B singer sing an operatic piece and a foriegn choral piece. Counting Crows and that other spanish song sucked. I hated "Accidentally in Love" when it first started up "Shrek 2." It was a musically cringe worthy moment in movies last year. Over all the Oscars were boring, dull, and the worst they have ever been in the past 5 years.

  • March 1, 2005, 1:10 p.m. CST

    This Republican has no problem with Brando getting more applause

    by the G-man

    The academy awards are about movies and, in the case of Brando and Reagan, acting. Brando is one of the greatest actors of all time and an Oscar winner. Reagan while a great President was not the actor Brando was. Therefore, it stands to reason that Brando should have gotten more applause at this particular event.

  • March 1, 2005, 1:13 p.m. CST

    leave the best song category alone

    by Dragonfire

    wtf is with all the bitching about the best song category? If you dont like the songs, deal with it. I personally thought accidentally in love was a great song, but the whole category has to be erased because some elitists dont think it lives up to their high standards of music? Give me a break.

  • March 1, 2005, 1:15 p.m. CST

    you guys are SUCH bitches!

    by babydave

    i love you all! LOL.

  • March 1, 2005, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Anyone whose seen "The Godfather"

    by cookylamoo

    knows Brando would have made a better president than Reagan. Talk about making Ben Laden an offer he couldn't refuse. And he wouldn't have called his wife "Mommie" either. But, OK, I'll be quiet. Just as quiet and respectful as the Republicans were during the Clinton Adminstation.

  • March 1, 2005, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Worst Oscar Ever!

    by Judge Doom

    What was that?!The MTV Oscar?! I mean ,empty seats,Drunk folks, worst host ever, Weird songs, Poltergeists making noises... The worst thing is that they may think that the ratings means that the show was good. Or maibe that

  • March 1, 2005, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Cookylamoo - President Brando

    by Itchy

    that would have been awesome. He could've smoked herb and served visiting dignitaries poop cookies (like in my favorite SNL skit of all time, where Brando got Larry King hopped up on shit cookies)

  • March 1, 2005, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Banderas + Santana SUCKED

    by iggynumber1

    They totally mangled that beautiful song from Motorcycle Diaries. Their turgid performance was so WACK that the composer actually had to sing the song when he came onstage to accept the trophy -- if only to show folks how the damn song was SUPPOSED to sound. Don't even get me started on Beyonce.

  • March 1, 2005, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Brando = Most over-rated actor in history

    by NightArrows

    I am sick to fucking death of hearing Brando being called one of the best actors of all time. He is over-rated and over-sized. On The Waterfront, Streetcar and Godfather, all great flicks, and he was great in them. The rest of the time he is a parody of himself. And when he isn't, he is average at best because his massive fucking ego always got in the way things. And will someone PLEASE shoot Julia Roberts before she yet again steals someone's Oscar moment?? Fucking hag had to hang all over Denzel when he won, backstage she was in half his fucking pictures. Now she did it again this year kissing Clint Eastwood or Freeman, I can't remember which damnit, and then wiping off the lipstick and emitting that horse donkey bray of hers. You suck and your movies suck. You aren't nominated so deal with it and GET THE FUCK OFF THE STAGE.

  • March 1, 2005, 2:26 p.m. CST

    A bit off topic: To the Academy, make up your minds....

    by v3d to whether films are insprirational art or mindless meaningless entertainment. Every Oscar season we get the usual blather about how "I made this film to inspire, or provoke, or encourage, blah blah blah." But when some lunatic watches "Taxi Driver" 97 times and shoots the president, or a couple of teenage losers watch "The Basketball Diaries" and use that as inspiration to kill their classmates, then all the "artists" involved in film backpedal, and films are just mindless entertainment that "can't make/inspire/or provoke people to do anything." Movies are both art and junk. Of course movies can inspire people. To become doctors, teachers, scientists and yes, even killers. Just admit it.

  • March 1, 2005, 2:29 p.m. CST

    "I'm sure everyone here has heard it, you can hum it right now,"

    by minderbinder

    Sure, the music in Passion was pretty good (although like much of the movie it seemed like it would be a better fit in a horror movie). But one of the best of the decade? And humable??? And come on, just because Passion made a bunch of money doesn't mean half the country thought it was best picture. By that logic, people should have been pissed and boycotted the oscars when Home Alone wasn't nominated.

  • March 1, 2005, 2:47 p.m. CST

    WTF is wrong with Beyonce??

    by Spike Fett

    Most beautiful woman on the planet. Too bad she couldn't have been out there more.

  • March 1, 2005, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Jay-Z's got 99 problems...

    by Shigeru

    but Beyonce ain't one.

  • March 1, 2005, 2:54 p.m. CST

    "And come on, just because Passion made a bunch of money doesn't

    by Spike Fett

    Who mentioned money? Whatever man, you came up with that BS on your own. THE PASSION affected people like no other film this year. None of the actual nominees even came close to Gibson's artistic achievement.

  • March 1, 2005, 3:27 p.m. CST


    by cookylamoo

    You're about twenty movies short on your list of great Brando performances starting with The Wild One, and ending with Don Juan DeMarco. Brando was great even when he was phoning it in. Right with you on Julia Roberts, though. She looks and acts like a velociraptor. Hey and Ms. Zellweger, if you look like a leach to begin with, best not to wear a tight red dress to complete the effect.

  • March 1, 2005, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Ah. So you're not even basing your statement on box office. So

    by minderbinder

    Sure, some people liked it. But that's not enough to win best picture. Problem is, a lot of other people thought it wasn't that great of a movie. Best Picture isn't awarded for biggest hype.

  • chris rock`s beginning monologue was funny...but it was juuuuust toooo looong. i`m not someone who`s annoyed by long speech. this would`ve been ok for a comedy program but it wasn`t a proper oscar introduction. i used to regard the oscars as one of the best most entertaining shows on planet earth (especially compared to german award shows this is true). this time the opening speech was symptomatic for the whole show. there wasn`t any spectacular performance: yo yo ma was there,he`s great, and he was playing fucking BACKGROUND music...fuck that! besides all of the performances of some odd best original songs there were practically NULL performances....AND NO ENTERTAINMENT. everything seemed to be rushed. this wasn`t a celebration. there still were some highlights (sidney lumet`s speech, the footage at the beginning, some other acceptance speeches)but there was nothing that was created by the direction of the award show that was entertaining in any way....

  • March 1, 2005, 3:55 p.m. CST

    "THE PASSION affected people like no other film this year"

    by Judge Doom

    Yeah, the last time I was affected like that was ten years ago, when Braindead/Deadalive came out!

  • March 1, 2005, 3:57 p.m. CST

    There shouldn't have been a ceremony this year!

    by performingmonkey

    Jesus H Christ on a Crutch. So many mediocre movies in the noms they should have just forgotten the whole awards this year, especially if it was going to be presented and produced so retardedly. If the stars and 'beautiful' people weren't there no networks would want to televise the cunting thing anyway. Fuck them. Fuck them all, right in the eye! The award winners should have been announced in a 10 minute special. Fuck the acceptance speeches. Fuck Eastwood. Fuck the Academy. It's all about the payroll. Give us your money. Maybe make these awards about movies - about GOOD movies, and about the movie industry, then they will be worth staging.

  • March 1, 2005, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Wow, no-one's gonna read this all the way down here

    by Hamish

    But I have to write it anyway. The Oscars were so popular this year that New Zealand tv broadcast them at 10:30pm. That's not live either. It seems like they'll get to the stage where there is no live broadcast, just a one hour highlight package that shows the acting categories, directing, best film and some songs. Oh, and the 'all important' red carpet. I'm afraid this awards show is becoming a joke - all about ratings, the jewel in the crown of commercialism over probity.

  • March 1, 2005, 4:18 p.m. CST

    "Al otro lado del rio!" Rema! Rema! Rema!"

    by Spacesheik

    The Antonio Banderas song is up there with Rob Lowe and Snow White.

  • March 1, 2005, 4:28 p.m. CST

    next years host

    by Spacesheik

    Next year for the love of Benji pls have someone like Robin Williams or Steve Martin host, but no more Billy "oscar! oscar! oscar! oscar!" cystal or whoophie goldberg.

  • March 1, 2005, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Amen. Best Song probs

    by ESBYoda

    Nice evaluation Harry. I used to be so excited to see the animation short clips, alas. As far as best song goes. Harry is right again. So much of the innovative work for Moulin Rouge was overlooked because of the odd rules. Furthermore, show a clip of the point where the song was used in the movie. What? It was over the end credits? Well maybe it wasn't actually the best song "from a movie" then, was it? Thanks for putting this out there, AICN. Somebody needed to.

  • March 1, 2005, 5:18 p.m. CST


    by Evil Chicken

    AMEN. Harry

  • March 1, 2005, 6:15 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry, minderbinder

    by Spike Fett

    I had no idea you had been living in a cave all last year. Here's to hoping things go better for you in 2006.

  • March 1, 2005, 6:44 p.m. CST

    I'm Sorry, Spike Fett

    by Rebeck

    That you think that sadistic piece of shit, "The Passion Of The Christ", is a great film. You must have one demented sense of Christianity. I'll pray for you.

  • March 1, 2005, 6:54 p.m. CST

    This is why the film community loves you, Harry!

    by C29659

    Well, at least the smart ones love you. Don't pull any punches.

  • March 1, 2005, 7:12 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    The comment about "black people" on voicebox5's part wasn't racist, he was pointing out that Harry said "African-Americans" around the world, which isn't the correct nomenclature as non-American citizens aren't American.

  • March 1, 2005, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Stop whining about Bush jokes

    by I Hate Movies

    It's perfectly fine for a host to poke fun at the sitting president. If Rock was up there ripping on Clinton, Republicans would be rolling on the floor. Your arguments make you sound like criticizing Bush is a low blow -- well guess what? That Lone Star State retard doesn't need your defense, your sympathy or your pity. He got elected by a bunch of ignorance-loving crackers who want nothing more than to be simpletons, relying on their president/savior to lead them through the hell that is gays, Jews, women, old folks and anyone who doesn't look like you -- but never mind the dead soldiers on the way, or the wounded who can't get veterans benefits to pay for their medical care. All that money is over in Iraq, so W can look good to daddy turning his enemy's homeland into a graveyard and calling it "freedom on the march." I wonder how many soldiers wished those "support the troops" fanatics would put down their flags, pick up a newspaper and a globe and maybe take an interest in events beyond Skeeter's County Line Honky Tonk?

  • March 1, 2005, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Liberals and Conservatives.

    by KongMonkey

    Fuck'em both. I'm neutral. Just show me some cool fucking movies and I'm happy.

  • March 1, 2005, 10:38 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons to elaborate on how exactly I Hate Movies did what you say he did? From where I'm standing, your comments sound not a little hyperbolic (and I'm not a liberal).

  • March 1, 2005, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Voicebox5, you sonuvabitch. You actually said something I agree



  • March 1, 2005, 11:11 p.m. CST

    The Oscars telecast has been a relic for about a decade

    by nexxus7

    This is one of the laziest, most unimaginatively produced programs on television. Basically, it's "cut to the star, cut to the other star, cue music, MC deliver jokes off the teleprompter, show a short clip." This is why they keep futzing around with different hosts every year. Chris Rock was pretty awful. He looked out of place and disinterested. I only saw about half of it, but he was pretty flat. But the fact is, all the Oscar hosts/stand up comics have been pretty tepid. Even Billy Crystal for the most part. And Whoopie Goldberg was the flat out worst of the bunch. But it's not solely the fault of the comic, it's the fact that the formula ain't making it. Oscar needs a new producer who is willing to use the telecast as a way to showcase the industry. Sure that means stars, and no that does not mean giving stage time to the technical guys and their dry speeches. Oscar needs less "inside" jokes, embarrasing shout outs to the stars in the audience, and skits that fall flat, and more clips. Instead of parading five of these poor slubs onstage in an ugly contest and then calling out one as the winner while the others stand there with nothing to do (I was waiting for someone to go "see ya losers"), why not allow short clips of each nominee, saying why they made this choice or that, or their biggest challenge. The other thing that got on my nerves was that when a movie won an Oscar for sound mixing or somethign like that, instead of cutting away to the recipient's family or even the director, they cut to a reaction of the star (I think this happened with Finding Neverland, where they cut to Kate Winslet clapping like they'd won best picture, and I'm thinking, she's probably never seen this joker in her life because he was working in post. Another idea to put the audience more in touch would be to show regular people/man on the street type interviews, talking about how a movie touched them, or reciting their favorite moments or lines. I do think that the number one attraction of the Oscars is beautiful people doing their thing, and it should continue, but I am sick of Joan and Melissa Rivers, who look like two scrawny buzzards, giving their opinions. And who cares what Sean Penn thinks, Jude Law is not "one of our finest actors". He's an okay actor, and I like him as an actor, but basically just another pretty face who got lucky -- the current Hugh Grant. There'll be another one along in a few years. You only have to watch Sky Captain to see that he's no Brando. For all of their self delusions, they are just the lucky ones. No more no less. I do have to say that Jamie Foxx's performance in Ray was perhaps one of the finest examples of acting I've ever seen put on film. However, since I did not see the other movies, while I was pulling for him to win and am glad he did, I couldn't say whether or not he deserved to win. The acceptance speech did seem very well rehearsed, but what're you gonna do, they all pretty much are. Anyway, until the powers that be stop bringing back the producers who have been drudging up the same basic idea year after year, this is what we're gonna get year after year.

  • March 1, 2005, 11:48 p.m. CST

    What would make me more interested in the show...

    by DarthCorleone

    Make the day about movies instead of fashion, superstars, and being seen. Hours of pre-show and post-show hype are focused on what people are wearing. The day of the Acadamy Awards should be a celebration of film. Do you honestly think 99 percent of your audience even knows who those designers are? Do you think even half of them care? Do you think average lovers of film give a shit about that crap? Foster America's love in the art form itself instead of turning the day into something else, and you'll be building an audience that will return again and again. Why the fuck are people like Joan Rivers our liaisons to the event? Has she ever seen a Kurosawa movie? Spend more time educating the public in what goes into the making of a movie. Use the pre-show time to show clips from past winners. Use it to single out good movies from the past year that were overlooked by audiences. People love the narrative of movies, and they always will. Tap into that love. Make it pure and stop the blatant salesmanship. .................Oh, and for the record, I agree with the consensus: giving out Oscars in the audience is absolutely CLASSLESS.

  • March 2, 2005, 12:28 a.m. CST

    I couldn't believe the shit they were passing off as the academy

    by TheGinger Twit

    The funniest part was when that chich had her oscar brought out to her in the audiance and she said "This is the Dogs bollocks" She might as well have said "This is some fucked up shit"

  • March 2, 2005, 12:41 a.m. CST

    What was up with all the EMPTY seats in the balconies?

    by Commando Cody

    Did anybody notice that? I finally got around to watching my tape of the show top to bottom and when they would be going to commercial break and the camera that was up by the ceiling would pan UP, you could CLEARLY see that the upper balcony tiers were only half full. What the hell? I can't imagine it was that many people who had left their seats to get below to get an award. Maybe they just realized what a shitty show it was and they hit the Governor's Ball next door early. Figured if the show was going to suck this much ass, they might as well start drinking early. Oh, and after finally seeing his full act, I didn't think Rock was bad when he stuck to the movies -- but, come on, the whole Bush/Gap store thing was SUCH a bullshit reach on his part, trying to use FAHRENHEIT 9-11 as the seque. He tried to make it "look good" by then indicating he'd now do an extended monoloque bit about THE PASSION, flipping things around, but told like one joke. Clearly Rock wanted to do the Bush riff to play to the Liberals in the audience or to speak his mind -- either way, it dragged on too long, wasn't funny, and he's full of shit anyway. Rock's HBO specials are normally all right, but he came off as a loudmouth to me, rather a classless host. And that bit at the theater where only BLACK people are rattling off movies they thought were best of the year (like White Girls) ironically just seemed racist to me. I mean, you're doing a filmed montage for the fucking GLOBAL OSCAR TELECAST. You've had fucking WEEKS to prepare. You're telling me Rock couldn't find the time to take a film crew to SEVERAL theaters and mix and match the reaction, and have an more ethnically diverse group answering his questions? So, sorry, that bit reeked of being on his show, but was hardly worthy of the Oscars. Bring back STEVE MARTIN. He was funny AND classy. But as other's have noted, I think Rock's now done his one-time, ill-fated, Letterman-like appearance...

  • March 2, 2005, 1:11 a.m. CST

    art? since when has the Oscars been about art?

    by SirBiatchReturns

    by the way, SeeThroughThis is such a fucking tool. Like voicebox says, you randomly show up, make a comment on someone who doesn't give a fuck what you think, and then disappear. get a life STT

  • March 2, 2005, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Thing #6 AMPAS should consider for next year's awards

    by Trader Groucho 2

    Create separate acting and picture categories for drama and comedy/musical like the Golden Globes. There's no fair way to compare Sideways to M$B or (unnominated) Paul Giamatti to Jamie Foxx.

  • March 2, 2005, 6:34 a.m. CST

    In Rebuttal

    by Key_Card

    1. The Oscars is about a bunch of self important people patting themselves on the back. Nothing more. There aren't little kids sitting at home watching the Oscars having an epiphany after they see a meaningless award presented to a slef-important asshole. Get over it. 2. It does matter how long the show goes. While there are valid points as to the whole "sweep shows", they still have to answer to advertisers and local stations that don't like bumping their news schedule. 3. I agree. Wholeheartedly agree. It borders on Criminal that "I'm So Ronery" wasn't nominated. 4. I'm indifferent about this. So is 99% of the people watching the Oscars. The people watching this aren't going to track down a 5-10 minute animated film because it won an award. 5. I agree. A standard format of clips of the departed while "What A Wonderful World" plays would serve the purpose and avoid being tacky. Award shows are never about the topic they are awarding. I don't care what the award is for. They are about people getting up and grandstanding while wearing pretty, expensive (yet free, this concept amazes me), clothing shilling to get publicity and some free after party drinks.

  • March 2, 2005, 1:01 p.m. CST

    STD...or STT. whatever

    by SirBiatchReturns

    Voicebox5 had a good point, and exposed you to be the true tool that you are. i'm not even going to directly respond to your weak "last-year" attack. take care for now. somehow i know we'll be seeing you soon.

  • March 2, 2005, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Try Reading My Posts, Moviemack

    by Rebeck

    ...All the way through. I'M A LIBERAL. AND PROUD OF IT. AND PROUD OF MY LIBERAL INDUSTRY. You evidently missed the entire point of what I was saying. Also: I'm a produced, working screenwriter - nothing huge, but I make a living -so...maybe you should get a clue. And I'm sure your work is very very impressive.

  • March 2, 2005, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Quick Thoughts

    by jim

    Let winners speak - Give them guidlines, tell them to prepare notes, but let them have their moment in the spotlight. For most of them (ie. those behind the camera) it is their only public forum. .. Clips, clips, and more clips - Do it for all categories; Best picture should each be a 2 minute montage of shots; acting categories should show different moments of that actors best work from the film, not 10 seconds of some scene they happened to be in. .. Best Song - no live performances, another montage for each with the song playing over it, basically a music video. .. All winners presented on stage - 'nuff said. .. In Memory - more clips, with the actor's voice, scenes from the directors', writers, producers' films; kill the audience audio so even if they clap we at home don't have to listen to it. And extend it - give them more respect than the 3 seconds each got this year. .. As for Sean Penn - he didn't get the joke (like many here). Rock said Hollywood had only 4 real stars. He wasn't really talking about acting ability, he was talking about, well, stars. Jude Law is a great actor but he does not put bums in seats like Tom Cruise can. Tom Cruise has huge box-office drawing power, Jude Law not so much. So, like Rock said, Jude Law is not Tom Cruise. Also, I haven't heard anyone defend Tobey Maguire. How shitty must he feel that if what Rock said was to be taken seriously and no one stands up for him. .. Last thing, the end of the show. Is it just me or did the show end very abruptly? Well, that's our show, goodnight. Couldn't they have put together something to end the show with? Producers so concerned with how to open the show and how to keep it from running long that they totally neglect having any kind of finale.

  • March 2, 2005, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Jesus, You're An Idiot Voicebox...

    by Rebeck

    Here's a better idea. Why don't you just not watch it?? So we don't have to listen to you whine. Dive in to that "Hee Haw" box set you've been saving.

  • March 2, 2005, 5:01 p.m. CST

    You Don't Digress..

    by Rebeck

    You REGRESS. And embarrass yourself - always.

  • March 2, 2005, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Which Brings Me Back To My Original Point

    by Rebeck

    You're a fucking idiot.

  • March 2, 2005, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Just be glad we live in a country...

    by cookylamoo

    Where we can see our strange supernatural beliefs solidify into law.

  • March 2, 2005, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Geez people...

    by strider_is_hot

    If someone from the Oscars telecast really *is* trying to read this TB and glean some important tidbits from it for use next year, they have totally given up by now. As amusing as it is for me to read the personal attacks that you guys make against each other, I'm quite sure it is not useful... put the keyboard down and back away from the computer.......... As for how I felt about the Oscars this year - I actually agree with Harry about most things - except for the song thing - I really don't see how this category could be realistically changed to use old songs used in a new way, even if the original songs are horrible (I happen to like the one by the Counting Crows!). I REALLY REALLY REALLY hated the presenting the award in the back of the audience thing, and in certain instances you could tell the people in the front didn't really like it either. Very disrespectful. And I also really hated that they were so forceful with the music shooing people away from the mike... I don't really care how long it goes on, let them have their moment please!!!

  • March 3, 2005, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Living in a cave? Touche. Sure, I saw people who loved the mov

    by minderbinder

    But unlike you, I don't choose to ignore all the people that thought it was nothing special. Or hated it. As I said already, the oscars are supposed to be for QUALITY, not popularity. I think you're getting them confused with the people's choice awards.

  • March 3, 2005, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Theo Van Gogh

    by Heathicus

    "Chris Rock bombed (to put it mildly) with a classless performance, praising Fahrenheit 9/11 and mocking the military in an obvious, unfunny joke about rivalry between the Gap and Banana Republic. The crowd roared in approval, of course, and I sat there wondering what in the world could be going through their blow-dried heads. More disturbing, though: not a word was said about the murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh. You wonder if the organizers even discussed it