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Peter Jackson's LORD OF THE RINGS at New Line'
This is strictly a rumor at this point. It has not been confirmed, but if it is true then praise be to New Line. New Line is used to bigger productions, though usually doesn't have a project that is a widespread culturally cool as this. If true, it would be a two picture deal for Peter, as his Lord of the Rings adaptation covers the three main books in two scripts that are about 3 hours long each. Please be true Please be true Please be true Please be true Please be true Please be true.... Go see BLADE an extra time just to make em feel safer about doing it!!!!
Salinger here:
Heard it from a strong source at New Line that New Line Cinema is picking up
the ball dropped by Miramax on Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings.
Supposedly they will be releasing the press release next week.
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Two 3 hour movies would kickass!!!
I hope now that any imagery imaginable can be created on film,
we get alot more fantasy movies.
Besides Legend, DragonSlayer, & Conan the Barbarian, we haven't had anything very good.
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Jason & The Argonauts, Seventh Voyage of Sinbad, Golden Voyage of Sinbad, Thief Of Bagdad, La Belle Et La Bete---------------Harry
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the popularity of Dungeons & Dragons has, IMO, changed the way fantasy films are approached. the 7th voyage of sinbad and conan the barbarian are very different films, due to the spread of fantasy roleplaying. so the first poster is correct in saying that very few fantasy films PAST THIS POINT have held much merit. As one who's spent years role playing but never picked up a tolkein book, i'm looking forward to any screen version of Lord of the Rings(I've seen the bashki version... "where there's a whip... there's a way! where there's a whip... there's a way!"
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I'm sorry but I just feel it's a bad idea to do a film version of
Lord of the Rings. I just don't think any movie could capture
the books's fantasy and adventure
elements. I love Peter Jackson,
he's one of the best directors working today but he just seems like the wrong guy to direct this kind of thing. Plus, knowing
Hollywood, we can expect quite a screwed-up twisted loose adaption
of the books.
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While Hollywood might come up with a horrible Hollywood-esque script, I think it's unfair to consider Jackson a Hollywood director since he only makes films in his homeland, New Zealand, with a mostly NZ cast and crew. I give him more credit than to let Hollywood make him turn out a crap movie.
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Wasn't he supposed to make Bilbo first? I've heard he already started casting...?
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To the original poster: forgot to mention Ladyhawke, one of the best fantasy movies made in the past 20 years. To the lady who felt this ought not be made, cause Hollywood will screw it up: Hollywood is in a position to screw up ANY book adaption; but I'd rather see them try and fail then never try at all...it may turn out WONDERFUL like GWTW. Finally, to the poster before me: Harry's said all along that The Hobbit is NOT being made!
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The original poster also forgot to mention Krull, one of the coolest fantasy movies ever made. The acting is a little cheesy(Liam Neeson is pretty funny), but for 1983 it had effects that blew away Jedi's land-based special effects, not to mention the first morphing effect(done optically, instead of digitally)
I guess Labyrinth might fall into this category as well...
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I thought the cartoon versions made a few years ago were awesome, so I don't believe it's impossible for the new version to be good. Also, anyone into roleplaying should definitely read the books! There's TONS of great ideas, some of which are only touched on and could easily be expanded in totally new directions. You could spin off ideas from the Silmarillion for a couple of centuries! ELROND LIVES! (Oops, got carried away there. Sorry.)
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I don't think anyone wants to see New Line ruin Lord of the Rings. But it looks like everyone wants to see it made and I for one would rather be sitting around until it hits the theatres with fingers crossed that they *haven't* cocked it up, than sitting around wishing someone would make it. And anyway, if I was being really cynical (and perhaps a touch unfair), I could point out it could have been worse. It could have been Warner Bros. (I saw The Avengers yesterday and it was as disappointing as most people said).
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SOme guy said he had seen the said he had seen the Ralph B version of lord of the ring and proceeded to sing where theres a whip theres a way., the was not in the Ralph B film but the Rankin Bass version of return of the king.
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The Lord of the Rings needs at least thirty hours of film time to tell this story!!!! Dear God, don't let anybody screw this up again! It needs to be a year long series.
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What do you think?
Gandalf: Patrick Stewart
Aragorn: Mel Gibson
Borimir/Faramir: Brad Pitt
Legolas: Val Kilmer
Denethor: Brent Spiner
I know this list would be expensive as all hell and is nowhere near complete, but don't you think they would be perfect choices?
Any other suggestions?
Johnny Rotten -
The BBC did a fantastic radio adaption of the books in 1981 (starring Ian Holm as Frodo) that ran 13 hours... but a lot of that could be condensed visually, and there were parts that could have benefited from some editing down...
Three long movies seems right to me, but I can see how it could be done in six hours over two films...
Fenn
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As far as I know, Kevin Smith NEVER had his hand in this, it's been Peter Jackson writing it since the very beginning. The scripts of his they've offed lately were Superman and Scooby Doo, not LOTR. The only mention I've heard of Kevin at all concerning this was on CA a couple months ago :
July 1, 1998... While delivering a speech at Ohio State University on Friday June 5th, director Kevin Smith confirmed that this project is based solely on The Lord of the Rings and not The Hobbit.
This is definitely Peter's baby. And I have to agree with both of you a little on this, Kevin has talent, but he could not have done LOTR justice (unless we wanted Gandalf to discover the woman he loved was a 15 year old lesbian who had sucked 37 dicks and was writing a book about it) -
It is too bad that America is so insulated from the rest of the world. They make fantasy films in other parts of the world too. But I can blame anybody if they dont know about Journey to the West, Chinese Ghost Story, or Stalker. I know about these movies and even I cant find them. How can anyone else be expected to. But, if there is some way to get these movies and others, do. If businesses know there is a maket for foreign fantasy, theyll bring it here.
Peter Jackson is great. He can do over the top action-fun, like Dead Alive. He can do human drama, like Heavenly Creatures. Heavenly Creatures got Peter an Oscar nomination for writing, as if Oscars were worth anything. Although in Hollywood writing doesnt mean anything either.
Kevin Smith sucks. He seems like a cool guy, I'd want to hang out with him. To hell with watching any of his movies, though. -
I think it's sort of sad that folks are constantly trying to straightjacket scriptwriters and or directors.
If Cameron went directly from Terminator (or T2) into Titanic, we'd probably be hearing the same stuff.
What if Smith is truly trying to get a vehicle that opens up what he can do? Who's going to know if he keeps getting his nuts handed to him for trying?
Do I feel Smith is right for Tolkien? No, not necessarily... but who am I to say? My screenplays haven't been purchased, and I sure wouldn't want someone like myself posting letters saying that not only can't I do LotR, but I shouldn't even try!
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Kevin Smith has a built in audience of teenagers and twenty-somethings that will watch anything he puts his name to. Granted Mallrats isn't Oscar caliber filmaking but it's a hell of a good time. Chasing Amy is one of the funniest and best movies I've ever seen. I follow most things written about Kevin and I've heard him attached to many movies most recently it's been Fletch 3 and Scooby Doo, nothing about Lord of the Rings. Dogma will be huge, not like a blockbuster, but when you think that it has been made for around $6 million it will turn a hell of a profit. Kevin Smith writes the funniest dialogue around and ranks up there with David Mamet in terms of quality. Even if you don't consider him the one for LOTR his script is almost guaranteed to be an enjoyable experience.
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Okay, how about Sir Derek Jacobi as Gandalf, maybe Kenneth Branaugh as either Aragorn or Borimeer? (sp)Are they CGI creatures, or Jim Henson style? If neither, perhaps Jeff Goldblum as Gollum.Maybe even JEWEL as Galadriel!! Okay, I've gone too far now. Maybe that's not such a good idea.
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Okay, how about Sir Derek Jacobi as Gandalf, maybe Kenneth Branaugh as either Aragorn or Borimeer? (sp)Are they CGI creatures, or Jim Henson style? If neither, perhaps Jeff Goldblum as Gollum.Maybe even JEWEL as Galadriel!! Okay, I've gone too far now. Maybe that's not such a good idea.
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who in the fuck said kevin smith would be having anything to do with LOTR?
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god DAMN is there some ignorance here...kevin smith movies are great. his scripts are also very damn good. peter jackson movies also rock (go watch the underated "frightners", and if you havent already, see heavenly creatures and dead alive). i personally havent read the lord of the rings books (book?) but they sound cool, and peter jackson sounds great for the job. better him then some hack job out for a buck rather than a good film...
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sheesh! please let the rumor be true--but more importantly don't screw it up!! do it properly, lavish time and $ on it--and the 100,000,000 people who have read it and still revere middle earth will come see it--more than once if it is done correctly. god help the fools in charge of choosing film projects to back. how can anybody let this opportunity pass?
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I can't believe some of the casting tips. Patrick Stewart? Val Kilmer? Geez. Not that I don't like these guys but... Of all the people mentioned, Daniel Day Lewis as Aragorn is the only one I like (and I've been saying it for a couple years). Just look at him in Last of the Mohicans and I think "Strider". Other than him, the only actor I could see in it would be Warwick Davis who *has* to be in it in some capacity or another. A few actresses wouldn't be bad in various parts, although I can't think of any off-hand.
Ultimately, I thought Peter and crew had decided to go with taller people to make the midgets look shorter? I believe it was right here on AICN that it said they were looking for people 6'8" to play 6' to make the 4' people look smaller. If you look at that, it would work. They just make things (clothes, swords, chairs, etc.) proportionately bigger. Making a taller person look 6' means they can hire average 5'6" people to play dwarves (which are supposed to be between 4' and 5' tall), and even shorter people to play the 3' to 4' tall hobbits. -
I would actually love to see a good live action version of The Hobbit first. I guess that this is mainly because it is my favorite of the books and holds a very special place in my heart, but also for some other good (well I think they are) reasons. The first is background. How are people unfamilliar with these books going to know the story behind the Lord of the Rings? I guess that the important parts could be shown in flash backs , but this would not do the story ofthe Hobbit justice. Another reason is that if the movies aren't successful or if flashbacks are used to describe where and how Bilbo got the ring and why Gollem is after it a film version of the Hobbit may never be made.
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I don't think that any well known actors should be cast unless the role called for an aged person, like Gandalf, only because it would be difficult to find an apropriate actor who wasn't already known. It is easier to find younger unknown actors so I would prefer that. Ithink that Peter Jackson is a very good film maker, but I am not sure if he would be able to pull off something this grand. Still I can't wait to be surprised when he does it. Two three hour movies is great but why not just do three two or two and a half films? I know that it would cost more, but it wouldn't cause any confusion with the names (yes that is a very picky reason to go through the extra expense but I think of thos things as important). Anyways I coud care less about Kevin Smith, or him not being involved. If I was him I wouldn't even want to do the scripts because the only way to do them right is word for word from the books. These movies are going to be owned by Tolkien and the director if they are to be done right. -
The Hobbit should be the first movie in a trilogy (with the 3 LOTR books making up movies 2 &3). The Hobbit sets the scene for the events in LOTR. And many of the events in LOTR would not have much effect without that background. eg Bilbo being affected by the One Ring's power, and Gandalf, whom previously was portrayed as an almost harmless old wizard revealing something of his true nature. Also, the way the "Enemy" gathering its strength was sublimely hinted at, in hindsight, set the scene for LOTR perfectly.
I would like to see Ian Richardson in the cast somewhere, maybe as Saruman. And I think maybe even Gary Oldman as mad ol' Denethor. And if a big name actor must be included, perhaps Mel Gibson as Aragorn could fit the bill best. Look at his features, then watch Hamlet and Braveheart. He can be more than just Martin Riggs when he wants to be.
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OK. What was the whole point of that message? It sounded like someone is a bit jealous and insecure. How the hell do you explain how Kevin's independent comic books are outselling most of the major comics? The reason his films don't do well at the box office is because they don't get much distribution. Hell, neither of the three films came to my city. Although Chasing Amy stayed in the top ten rentals at Blockbuster for something like 10 weeks. Next time I wouldn't base a internet post on personal feelings of inadeqacy.
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Harry,
it's three films for $150,000,000
Just thought you'd like some real news in this column.
Anytime you want scoops about LOTR just whistle...
PJLC -
Heard this morning, at around 6 am, that New Line Cinema has announced plans (or at least their intention) to make a live-action movie of The Lord of the Rings. (from KROQ radio, Los Angeles)
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See, told you some desperate studio like New Line was gonna pick this up. Consider this one shot in the foot.
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