T4 - Biehn Back' Wimmer Willing' Moeller's Musings'
Hey folks, Harry here with tons of TERMINATOR 4 speculation... Seems they want to start shooting later this year, but the likely fan revolt which will inevitably leave bodies strewn all over the place is sure to get ugly if AHNULDT isn't aboard in some capacity. Wimmer's a very cool choice - and personally Biehn's the coolest actor from the franchise. Here ya go...
Ralf Moeller, from TV's "Conan", is in talks to join another Schwarzenegger-related project, Terminator 4, says the magazine BILD.
MoviesOnline.CA transcribed news from the magazine which says he is meeting with the director about a role in the film - but it isn't stated for what role or whether it's a big or small part. My guess is he'd be merely one of several terminators or something.
"The producers still hope to get Arnold Schwarzenegger for a guest-appearence.
Ralph Moeller is a former Mr. Universe, who was also the German Bodybuilding Champion of the International Federation of Body Builders, a champion boxer and worked as a professional swimmer for seven years"
Then A.B. King went into geek spasms - and began sending me multple emails:
Seems T4 has gotten the entire FAN community VERY UPSET!!!!! This is like George Lucas fucking up EPISODE III to many Terminator fans. Mario Kassar and Andrew Vajna seem like money hungry producers and want to only rape and fuck T4 and Schwarzenegger over!!! How could Kassar do this after he made enemies with Arnold back in 1994 by shelving CRUSADE and rekindling his friendship with the oak on T3?!?
I don't know what will happen with T4, but Mario and Andy better wisen up and pay Arnie mucho dollars and film Terminator 4 in California like the governator wants...or T4 will FLOP BIG TIME. Here is the scoop and link:
Which was quickly followed up with:
Harry, your boy KURT WIMMER might direct T4!!!! Image in CRAZY action war scenes, CRAZY STUNTS and hopefully a CRAZY GREAT script. Here is the link and scoop!!!!
Terminator 4 Movie Roundup
Director: Kurt Wimmer Genre : Science Fiction Action Adventure
Movie Section : Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines Movie
The sequel to Terminator 3 is getting a hell of alot of attention to say the least. Why is that? Because in my opinion its going to kick some hardcore ass lads! The latest rumor out of the hollywood machine is that Kurt Wimmer will be directing Terminator 4. As with anything its way to early to say its final, but its still most interesting.
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Feb. 19, 2005, 4:46 p.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
...where it mentioned he was still developing T4.
Feb. 19, 2005, 4:47 p.m. CST
by Lazarus Long
Anyone else think this will suck even if Schwarzenegger's involved? Put this sorry franchise to rest. And put the Governator to rest too while you're at it.
Feb. 19, 2005, 4:52 p.m. CST
by Papa CaveDweller
Feb. 19, 2005, 4:56 p.m. CST
T4 = Who Cares? T3 Was a worthless piece of shit. Nick Stahl was good, despite the script, and Kristanna Lokken was hot. Other than that it was a total and complete pile of shit. AND, on top of just not being any good, T3 went the extra step of destroying the good that Terminator set up and T2 barely held on to. Please, fan community, let's teach some folks a lesson and make this one bomb, so they'll just stop with the Terminator movies!
Feb. 19, 2005, 5:06 p.m. CST
I didn't think T3 was shit, unlike most people. I could see where they were taking the story into the INEVITABLE sequel set in the future hell. They totally set up the Arnold-style Terminators in the future so the Governator HAS to be back or else you might as well not make this movie. They should delay the movie until Arnold can do it. There's no rush for T4. They set up Connor being killed by the Terminator from T3. I hope this movie isn't being made just so we can have a 'badass' future-war crapfest that dumb fanboys have been longing for since the original Terminator. Biehn playing Connor is an extremely cool idea. He is obviously best at playing a general, and would make this movie a whole lot better. But the huge SCHWARZENEGGER still needs to be next to the title of T4.
Feb. 19, 2005, 5:09 p.m. CST
by Insane Tiki
T4 will probably suck. At least T3 was enjoyable on a Commando level.
Feb. 19, 2005, 5:15 p.m. CST
by Nicky Butane
Even if it's GAWD AWFUL it'll make a mint. That's the bottom line. Doesn't matter if Arnie is in it or not. Unless it's Batman and Robin bad get ready for T4 (and more than likely T5). Some franchise's will NOT be stopped. Don't think you've seen the last Star Trek, Alien, James Bond or Godzilla just to name a few. Those cash cows can be milked every few years like clock work. Now DVD sales make more money than box office so a move can tank in the theaters and still turn a tidy profit a'la Resident Evil (3 is in the works) I can bring on the terminators! Beisde I like robot carnage.
Feb. 19, 2005, 5:26 p.m. CST
Future War for T4. Otherwise, count me out. Another "protector" storyline would make me freak.
Feb. 19, 2005, 5:37 p.m. CST
Count me as one of the few who enjoyed T3. Actually, I enjoyed it a lot. We all knew going in that it would never be as good as T2 - and I think the filmmakers knew that as well. T3 was never trying to be a masterpiece, just a crazy, stunt-filled ride. When viewed as such, it's highly entertaining. I'm all for T4, without or without Arnold, as long as the action remains epic and over-the-top.
Feb. 19, 2005, 6:01 p.m. CST
Another robot travels through time? Damn, those time/universe loopholes must be crammed with metal by now! T3 was enjoyable, but they could have made it more memorable. Too many new characters, in my opinion. Biehn should have been back for T3. Now it's only a nice action flick while it could have been Fucking Awesome! I loved the open ending, though and maybe they should leave it like that. Everybody knows what happens now.
Feb. 19, 2005, 6:29 p.m. CST
by Lou C.
first of all .. T3 was very good, better than it had any right to be. I thought it continued things very well and set up the inevitable war of the machines. When I saw it, I thought, "Holy shit, T4 could rock." You could also bring back Robert Patrick AND Kristanna Loken and have all three Terminators kicking ass. As for Biehn, I love the guy, but he can't come back as John Connor. Yeah, the similarity in appearance to Kyle Reese would explain some of it, but Biehn has aged to well since the first Terminator. I think it would be impossible to watch him and not think of him as Kyle Reese. And the movie is worthless without Arnold. Anyone who thinks otherwise need only see the Next Karate Kid (no Macchio!), Dumb and Dumberer or Son of the Mask. Can you do Die Hard without Willis? Indiana Jones without Ford? Nope. You can. But it will bomb.
Feb. 19, 2005, 6:33 p.m. CST
Richard Kelly should write at least a draft of this script...I have a feeling he could give us an actual interesting addition to this franchise.
Feb. 19, 2005, 7:32 p.m. CST
There is a new Terminator project currently in production, but it isn't T4. I don't know if it is common knowledge yet, so I can't say what it is.
Feb. 19, 2005, 7:33 p.m. CST
It just wasnt the incredible leap that T2 was over T1..for the idiot above who thought T2 " BARELY " held onto the good from T1 , nigga please wake up. T4 just needs Arnie in a few scenes ,what it really needs is an interesting story to add onto what we already know and great battle scenes.
Feb. 19, 2005, 8:14 p.m. CST
Followed closely by a crappy story. Stahl just looked wimpy and uncomfortable with the role. Furlong would have probably been better, although he's supposed to be a pain to work with. Arnold is looking old and rusty fellas. Anyway, you really don't just need another big guy in a leather jacket walking around for this one. You need human freedom fighters up against massive hardware, blowing stuff up good. While Arnold should make a cameo, this should really be a showcase for other models and cool Skynet tech. It would be kind of a cool scene to show a Terminator production factory with say 1,000 Arnolds. Then you can even up the factor by paying some other big name actors for similar cameos, like The Rock Terminators, Jennifer Garner Terminators, etc. I think T4 could cap the franchise off right though.
Feb. 19, 2005, 8:29 p.m. CST
You know you are in trouble when Terminator says "talk to the hand". It was a rehash of all the "sellable" aspects of the previous two but done badly this time.
Feb. 19, 2005, 8:37 p.m. CST
Feb. 19, 2005, 9:29 p.m. CST
by Dented Helmet
you know you'd love it.
Feb. 19, 2005, 9:33 p.m. CST
Yeah, it'd be fucking cool if Michael Biehn came back, but that wasn't any kind of news or a lead on the Arnold Fans site. It was just them saying what they as fans would like to see done with the series.
Feb. 19, 2005, 9:35 p.m. CST
It took six months of physical therapy and a whole lotta gabapentin to finally stop the seizures.
Feb. 19, 2005, 10:03 p.m. CST
by YO MOM'S GOAT
Kyle Reese is what made me love the original and even though most people disagree, I prefer it still to the second film. C'mon, look at the guys resume... Terminator, Aliens, Tombstone, The Abyss... heck, he even made Navy Seals cool!!! I will, for the rest of my life, go see any film with Michael Biehn... even if he makes The Omega Code 3.
Feb. 19, 2005, 10:04 p.m. CST
Don't be dump stupid greedy producers and WAIT for ARNOLD to come back to films and make the LAST KICK ASS future war TERMINATOR film. Paul Verhoeven should be the director of T4 since you guys employed Paul on some of your blockbusters including SCHWARZENEGGER'S TOTAL RECALL. Do the smart thing and WAIT FOR SCHWARZENEGGER...or the film will be SHIT!!!!
Feb. 19, 2005, 11 p.m. CST
by Judge Doom
Feb. 19, 2005, 11:57 p.m. CST
If Michael Biehn plays John Connor, Reese will look almost exactly like Connor. So what. . .no one noticed?! I guess when Sarah asked him what her son looked like he should have said "Well like me, really, but older. . .its weird." Maybe because they only come out at night to avoid HKs and it was really dark Reese couldn't make out his face too well. . .yeah. . .
Feb. 20, 2005, 12:30 a.m. CST
Feb. 20, 2005, 6:29 a.m. CST
... but a future war movie, with him as the star? Where would he fit in? Just how many times can the humans capture any average Arnold-looking Terminator and program him to switch sides??? Its been done to death in T2 and T3. A cameo scene, even an extended cameo scene for those whose mouth's water at Arnold as a Terminator character, would be just fine. As for Biehn as John Connor? Sure, like the last poster said, change his appearance JUST SLIGHTLY, and maybe it could work. I think T4 could potentially work without Arnold. Personally, I'd rather see him play Conan just one more time. BRING ON KING CONAN!!!! (just don't make it too comedic like The Destroyer, bring it back to The Barbarian roots)
Feb. 20, 2005, 7:26 a.m. CST
Either being the Terminators they capture and send back in time, one after the other, ala the video games story explanation, *blech*, or, should be a quickly glimpsed invader fighting the humans who suddenly gets the CRAP knocked out of him when getting hit by heavy plasma rifles.
Feb. 20, 2005, 7:36 a.m. CST
Cameron was done with Terminator after T2. It's a shame T3 was even made, as it was a testament to greed and mediocrity. As for T4, on the one hand, people may not be interested in seeing a Terminator movie without Arnie, on the other, he's a shit actor and he's made too many bad flicks anyway.
Feb. 20, 2005, 8:53 a.m. CST
by Aeglos Istarion
It's a daily newspaper, comparable to tabloids like The Sun when it comes to the reliability of their "news". So that Moeller rumor is probably made up. Which is a good thing, one might add...
Feb. 20, 2005, 11:38 a.m. CST
by capt jack aubrey
from what i've read, Arnold's condition was that he'd do a cameo in T4 if they shot it in California... so supposedly it's not about having to pay Arnold a chunk of change for a few minutes of screen time, it's about having to ratchet up the production costs by big numbers across the board -- it's not that they're too cheap to pay for Arnold, they just can't afford to have their whole production hi-jacked to Cali and running up daily expenses that are several times more expensive than shooting out of state or out of the US... however, this is Hollywood AND politics, so i'd say the truth to all this is nowhere to be found -- my guess is ARnold doesn't want to do it, doesn't want the political baggage at a time when he's seriously looking at getting the constitution amended so he can run for president 10 or more years from now... but by playing this 'shoot in CA' card, Arnold wins all around -- to the fanboys it looks like he WANTS to do it, to the industry and California workers he looks like a hero for putting their interests first, and yet, since it's never going to happen, he knows he'll never have to actually do it...
Feb. 20, 2005, 12:37 p.m. CST
From T1 to T3, we've all become anxious to see the war in full swing. I liked how Cameron approached it in T1 when a Terminator infiltrates a human base and starts laying waste. I think T4 should be a very serious film about humanity on the brink of destruction with a lot of sad and lonely tones. Dark, very dark... something like "Full Metal Jacket's" dark tone in its latter half. If the battles involve mostly the mechanical Terminators, you'd only need Swartzeneggar on the assembly line and heck, you could just haul in the promo footage from T2 for that (if legally able to do so). A war story set in the futute... nothing cheesy... we want the war... the anguish, the sense of despair, desperation, the very atmosphere we see in Reise in T1. May the producers find the team that can give us the gloom.
Feb. 20, 2005, 12:57 p.m. CST
...first Nick Stahl (sp?) did a pretty damn good job in T3, IMHO. So do this with the plot: Have him and what's her face surviving and getting stuff organised (probably start T4 with the last few minutes of T3, a la Back To The Futures) and also show the robots "evolving" (which would be a great sci-fi thing to see) Anyway, blah blah death camps, captured, smashing metal motherfuckers into junk, then at some point they come across a young (10-ish) Kyle Reese - who has been targeted for termination by some old T-600's! So John Connor has to protect his own dad, and you could also have the idea of John being a father figure to his own father (strangley enough) and filling that void in his own life. Stuff explodes, people get laser scanned THEN we go a ways into the future and do some makeup to create an old Nick Stahl (hopefully better than the "Old Mose" in Ten Commandments) and he sends Kyle back in time to save his mom. (This would be the film's falling action/epilogue) That would completely wrap up the series and bring a final continuity to the whole thing. Point A leads right back to point A! PS: I DON'T think a "good robot" should help John, it should be gritty with humans fighting robots and that's it. I don't even see why they'd need Arnold, but they need SOMEBODY from the old movies. (And not Mike Biehn, he's too old!)
Feb. 20, 2005, 2:52 p.m. CST
Give it up, guys. T3 was nowhere near as good as T1 or T2. You got lucky once by using Ahnuld and the Terminator franchise name and got a modest hit out of it. There's no way in hell a T4 without him is going to make a dime at the box office. And I'd much rather see Kurt Wimmer create more of his own movies than try to give an adrenaline shot to a past-its-sell-by-date franchise.
Feb. 20, 2005, 4:06 p.m. CST
Why not get that guy from the crappy USA movie "See Arnold Run" to play the Terminator? You know, the young Arnold, Cody Brink. He's dim looking, sounds just like Arnold, and is built. I mean, Arnold's almost 60. He can't make movies while in office. Though it's ridiculous, I love that I can tell people, "My Governor can beat up your Governor."
Feb. 20, 2005, 11:23 p.m. CST
The Terminator films have made BILLIONS thanks to one name...SCHWARZENEGGER!!! Well, James CAMERON too but now Arnie rules this franchise and if T4 is to be made right, then Arnie HAS to be in TERMINATOR 4: WAR AGAINST THE MACHINES. Maybe Arnie should produce it and then he could get his filming done in CA his way. Kassar and Vajna should pray the oak stars. On a seperate note, Joel Silver should make a sequel to COMMANDO and bring back retired Colonel JOHN MATRIX!!!
Feb. 21, 2005, 5:25 a.m. CST
Feb. 21, 2005, 12:29 p.m. CST
talk to the hand, brother.
Feb. 21, 2005, 12:53 p.m. CST
Really. T4 without Arnold will be no better or worse than T4 without him. Let's not deify a body-builder with limited acting skills.
Feb. 21, 2005, 1:02 p.m. CST
There is great potential in a possible T4, even without Arnold. Of course a bunch of guys will be pissed of, like they were when Predator 2 had Glover instead of the governor.
Feb. 21, 2005, 2:58 p.m. CST
How about Terminator VS Robocop???
Feb. 21, 2005, 7:58 p.m. CST
...when you can just CGI in his face and get a day's worth of voice work off him?
Feb. 22, 2005, 2:45 a.m. CST
OK T1 was great but kind of a paradox and t2 was great but made even less sense but t3 whilst not quite as good a film actually managed to explain why the other 2 made no sense. In The Terminator Universe some things are inevitible - man will invent AI eventually and said AI will decide to off man, the war will pretty much devestate the world but the machines are destined to lose. You can kill John Conner, you can kill all his offsiders - it doesn't make any difference because the future just alters subtley and some other person takes their place. In the Terminator Universe you could go back in time and shoot Hitler as a boy and Hess would simply become more power mad and WW2 would still happen. The big things are unalterable although they can be delayed but the details of who are malleable.
Feb. 22, 2005, 6:05 a.m. CST
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