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BUFFY-Boy Drew Goddard Wrote Wednesday

Published at: Feb. 16, 2005, 3:29 p.m. CST

I am – Hercules!!

Don’t know who Drew Goddard is? His first produced teleplay ever, “Selfless,” was for my money the best final-season episode of “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” (though many think another he wrote on, “Conversations With Dead People,” was the best of that season); he wrote on “Angel” during its fifth, final and best season; and he wrote “Liberty Village,” the best episode of “Alias” aired this year.

Tonight’s “Lost” is titled “Outlaws,” and it's Sawyer-centric.

8 p.m. Wednesday. ABC.

I am – Hercules!!





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  • Feb. 16, 2005, 3:30 p.m. CST

    First

    by jsh139

    Can't wait to see it tonite!

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 3:39 p.m. CST

    first

    by bluebottle

    hoo. hoo. hooray.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Third!

    by radio1_mike

    Really!

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Lost ideas

    by Gordon Shumway

    Any one else think Ethan was indeed French lady's son, and that she did kill him as a child, but Walt's magic powers brought Ethan back to life as if he never died? Then Ethan wanted a baby to transfer himself into a la Ghostbusters 2. Of Course, if Walt could bring people back from the dead he'd probably bring back his mother.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 3:54 p.m. CST

    for the last effin' time ...

    by Toe Jam

    you cannot "center arround" something. it's an oxymoron, moron.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Gordon Shumway

    by Superfuld

    I actually think Ethan is a manifistation of CHARLIE'S need to take care of someone. in this case that someone being Claire.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Robert Patrick in it tonight as Sawyer's partner

    by The Gipper

    Don't forget that Robert Patrick is introduced tonight in flashbacks as Sawyer's con man partner in crime. Should be interesting to see RP back on the other side of the law after his stint as Special Agent Doggett on X-Files.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Wow Toe Jam, smoke a joint or something man....

    by SillySOB

    You really need to learn how to relax. PS. Pointing that shit out constantly doesn't make you look intelligent, just makes you look like a prick.

  • that would sort of explain why he appeared out of nowhere, as well as why they were able to defeat him when they worked together. and if you want to take the notion even further, maybe that's why jack took him on and was able to beat the shit out of him? regardless, the writers really need to start giving viewers some payoffs to at least a few of the show's mysteries.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Toe Jam needs to "center arround" the spellchecker...

    by StudioPlant69

    There is only 1 r in around, I agree with SillySOB go smoke some weed! GFY

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Robert Patrick

    by meburma

    So is this RP's year for guest starring? He was in the Pilot of Stargate: Atlantis this season too. I seem to remember his ass getting drained of life by one of them Marilyn Manson types too.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Suh-weet

    by Purgatori

    Sawyer is one of the best characters on the show. He's always entertaining and has far more in the way of emotion than Hawk the Slayer Jr. Robert Patick should play off of him nicely. That's a good point about Ethan. For some reason Jack was able to beat him down and I found that odd. He could though, be the shell/body of one of the french womans crew inhabited by one of the island spirits and that is why they wanted the child so badly. So they could have another host of some kind.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 5:45 p.m. CST

    As long as he doesn't write in vampires I'll be happy

    by Silver Shamrock

    It was bad enough when these writers of vampire shows took over Alias. Drew probably can't be blamed for that mess though. And I'm certain tonight's episode will rock.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Hey Herc!! The Lost TB works!! Can you fix last week's TB?

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Last week's Lost was the first new episode in a month and the TB was inaccessible. If you tried to open it you got the following: syntax error at (eval 74) line 1870, near "s episode looks we". "s episode looks we" is part of Prof. Pop-Cult's subject line. Apparently, that is where the code gets freaky. After the crazy ending to that episode I was interested in what the TBers had to say. There were a lot of responses, but you can't read'em! I guess when you revamp a website a few bugs are inivi... inevita... inevutabel... unavoidable. Oh well, tonight's EP looks to be pretty good. Hope you can fix it, later.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Now that you mention it...

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Writers from a "vampire" show move to Alias. Blamo!! Alias has a "vampire" episode! Go figure.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Buffy haters, lay off

    by NNNOOO!!!

    In your rush to second-guess tonight's contribution from a former "Buffy" scribe,you're conveniently forgetting that the BEST DAMN EP OF THE SHOW SO FAR, "Walkabout", was written by major Whedonverse man David Fury. Relax, you're in good hands.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Theories about Ethan are pointless: JJ Abrams is making all of t

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    That's the sinking feeling I'm getting now. Many things about the way the mysteries are being presented in this first season of LOST recall the way the first season of Alias was. And look at where Alias is now. Ethan will return if JJ Abrams thinks it will be cool to do so -- there won't be any logical or preplanned ultimate reason for why this might happen. Ethan would return just because it's "mysterious".

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Is everyone excited about the return of the "IN THE REAR WITH TH

    by Charles Grady

    Forget Robert Patrick's piddly 3-minute cameo at the beginning; It's ALL about John Terry.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 7:52 p.m. CST

    does jj abrams really have that much control over "lost"?

    by Toe Jam

    as i understood it, he had little to nothing to do with the creation of the show and was only added to the show's creative staff once abc picked it up. so i think all the speculation about how the show is guided solely by abrams might be incorrect. of course, i could be wrong, in which case i beg of mr. abrams: PLEASE GIVE US SOME CLOSURE TO AT LEAST A FEW OF THE PLOT POINTS!

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 7:56 p.m. CST

    A show with this kind of budget can't afford a more realistic "p

    by Charles Grady

    That ball stuffed under Claire's shirt is the fakest thing EVER. Also, I really wish Hurley would get a haircut. It's one thing he's morbidly obese, but those disgusting chops and that beefaroni hair just makes him look like a sloth. Just as some people can't watch gore or carnage on TV, I can't look at something as repulsive as Hurley.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Don't Get It... (Spoiler)

    by werttrew

    So, who was the guy Sawyer shot? And did he kill him--despite Sawyer's claim, earlier, that he had never killed a man?

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 9 p.m. CST

    werttrew (spoilers)

    by Charles Grady

    He was just some stooge that owed Robert Patrick money; Patrick duped Sawyer into thinking he was his father's murderer, when really he was just some sadsack gambler who Patrick wanted murdered for not paying him back. Yes, the guy died/

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Killer

    by Praetorius

    Sawyer did indeed drink when "asked" if he had killed a man; it just wasn't a quick response. It was a dramatic pause.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Toe Jam

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    I think you're wrong, its true JJ didn't come up with the idea, that was a basically a network idea - to do a dramatic version of Survivor basically, but JJ and Damon Lindelof were the two guys to work the idea into the actual concept that we see now, their work is what got the show picked up, and Abrams was with that from the beginning, not afterwards. Though from what I understand, though he still oversees quite a bit, because of his schedule Lindelof is more the guy managing the day-to-day guidance of the show.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Can we get back to THE ISLAND here???

    by Pongo

    This show is trying my patience...the last two episodes have been garbage. When they try and focus on this soap opera trash, it takes everything away from why people ACTUALLY watch this show. Why did the pilot draw so many viewers? The mysterious premise--NOT soap opera crap. Can we PLEASE get back to the island here? Why is it that all of a sudden this week nobody is talking about where Ethan came from? My guess for final episode cliffhanger this season--Claire's baby is born and something is drastically crazy about it...remember when Claire woke up to find Ethan with the needle by her stomach?

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 10:02 p.m. CST

    The Sox!!

    by BitterMan23

    Man even tho we win, we're still an (effective i must admit) punchline. Anyway, i thought tonights ep was just fine. cant always be on the secrets people, the shows gotta last a while. If they use up the good shit now, by season 4 sweeps will be revealing what Jack watched on TV the night before the crash or perhaps where Charlie bought his first guitar.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 10:11 p.m. CST

    I dug that episode, because it was mostly self-contained.

    by Tall_Boy

    Mostly...

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 10:48 p.m. CST

    JJ Abrams plans...

    by Wungolioth

    I believe I read somewhere that Abrams has an outline of at least the first three seasons kicking around, so no, I don't think he's making this up as he goes along.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Pongo wrongo

    by smackfu

    You've got it backwards, my friend. The show is about the 'soap opera crap' and the island is the gimmick that keeps it unusual. Perhaps you've noticed that every single episode of Lost centers around the characters, their back stories, how they deal with the situation they're in, how they interact with each other, and who they were before getting stranded. If you're watching it because of the mystery and not the characters, you're going to find yourself disappointed in the end.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Pongo Wrongo II

    by smackfu

    Like all great mystery-dramas from Twin Peaks to Carnivale, getting the answers is never near as rewarding as the journey that proceeds them. Carnivale fucked itself this season by actually answering the questions it posed in the first season. Now no one gives a shit, and the same will happen with Lost if they actually started answering questions.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 11:17 p.m. CST

    This show is almost as slow moving and pointless as Carnivale.

    by cookylamoo

    If they don't start throwing the fans a bone know and then, they're both going to be history.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Nope, sorry....

    by sundancekeed

    To all you folks who say it's the mystery that makes the show. All good mysteries have a CONCLUSION where you DO find out whodunnit. I said weeks ago that Lost is already setting itself up to be the next X-Files, in that we're constantly being led round the Mulberry bush with no payoff in sight or in this case, in script. And I DO think the backstories are for the most part padding. We've already gotten Sawyer's story and we understand his motivation. Tonight was just more of the same. No startling revelations, there. And he had a chat with Jack's dad. How convenient. For WHAT? So that he could end the episode with a meaningful smirk?? Give me a break. I'm telling you, if Abrams and Co. doesn't start providing some steak to go with the sizzle, I predict Lost will be off the air by the end of the second season.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 11:33 p.m. CST

    What happen at the end of tonights episode?

    by SexyBeast

    I taped it but apparently the episode ran long because my VCR cut off right after Jack asked Sawyer "Why do you want to know about my dad" what was sawyers answer?

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 11:41 p.m. CST

    dogapeandman

    by sundancekeed

    Dude, seriously I don't need all the answers in an hour. But I also don't need questions piled upon questions simply for questions sake or in actuality so that ABC can sell more soap. Provide some substance to go along with all of the meaningful looks. It wouldn't kill anyone to give us some insight into what's going on. The way to keep this show fresh is to allow the islanders to slowly uncover SOME of what's going on around them. I think Locke has a handle on part of it. Time to share....

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 11:59 p.m. CST

    what's with all the Carnivale hate?

    by Jarek

    Carnivale is absolutely kicking the ass of everything else on TV right now. This season is great, it's eventful, and it's creepy. It certainly hasn't answered all it's questions either, there is still so much more to know....

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Questions and answers

    by Silver Shamrock

    someone on the fuselage board made a master list of all the unanswered questions of Lost. It came out to like 48 questions! Is it too much to ask for a few of those questions actually being, you know, answered? If that makes me a philistine, so be it. Lindenof is fully aware that most of the characters aren't all that interesting and people aren't that enthralled with them. in this article: http://losttheshow.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80&Itemid=2 he says that once they shoot their wad with the plot, he doesn't think anyone will stick around. How could that be if the characterizations are so damn great?? Herc should be posting important articles like these, not me!

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 12:55 a.m. CST

    I hope there's a plan

    by Mojoyashka

    When a series like this becomes this popular it seems like the networks have to drag out the cash cow as long as they can continue to make sawbucks on it. They do this at the cost of the pacing and payoff of the plot. I would be nice if they could have a set plan and even a resolution to the story as opposed to a second act that just drifts on indefinitely(or until the show is cancelled). All I'm saying is---beginning, middle, end---then you've got an epic to be remembered instead of a story that goes on until you lose interest. I love this show and I hope it pays off in the end.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:21 a.m. CST

    THIS EPISODE WAS DOGSHIT.

    by zillabeast

    By and FAR the WORST hour of Lost to date. I've got no freakin idea what the fuck was going on the whole hour. I can excuse one shitty week like this, but if it becomes a habit then BSG moves ahead of Lost as best show on TV in my opinion.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:23 a.m. CST

    i'm kind of on both sides of the fence in this "lost" argument

    by Toe Jam

    on the one hand, i really think the character stories are great. on par with just about every other really good dramatic series. the only complaint i have is that they tend to be a tad shallow but that's only because they are limited to one hour each. on the other hand, however, i'm sort of clamoring for some resolution to at least a few of the show's many plot threads. i wouldn't be so impatient if i *knew* that "lost" would never really be more than human stories (a la "the sopranos" or "deadwood"). i'm just pissed that the sci-fi elements, which separate "lost" from the rest of the pack, are really just an afterthought, tacked on to make fanboys like us engrossed. can't they at least strike a delicate balance between the two? maybe show a character's story every episode and fully explore at least one of the show's supernatural themes once every few episodes?

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Hot Damn

    by DSB1369

    Evangeline Lilly is one fiiine piece of ass!!! I know from experience you know.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:43 a.m. CST

    dogapeandman

    by MarioF

    Everyone has their own taste with regard to entertainment, but I for one would certainly rather watch well written, realistically paced shows that don't tie up all loose ends in an hour. "Lost" is fine... it's a both a fantastic character study and an interestingly dark suspense drama. "Carnivale" is also an excellent example of a slow moving character driven think-piece drama. For all those who demand that their entertainment provide them with immediate viewer gratification (whether by constant action and/or instant answers to each and every mystery)... all I can say is you probably shouldn't even bother watching these programs in the first place. As far as "The Wire"... what can I say about one of the best shows on television (ok, ok... "It's Not TV... It's HBO"... sorry couldn't resist!).

  • so as to point out the stupidity and short-sightedness of such a statement. in other words, people aren't just doomed to fail again and again, as jack's father believed. rather, they can learn and change and grow, etc. yeah, i know most of you already realized what i just pointed out but i figured it couldn't hurt since no one else has yet to mention it.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Praetorius/Killer

    by podunk411

    "Sawyer did indeed drink when "asked" if he had killed a man; it just wasn't a quick response. It was a dramatic pause." I don't think he drank--it was his 'i never' turn which he states he never killed a man, knowing full well she had--thus she drank. during that game, both of them lied on those last questions (kate with the "you can't let go of your baggage"--when we all know she's still cartin' around her little model airplane, and Sawyer with the never-killed-a-man lie) which is why at the end of the game Sawyer says "now that's somethin' we both have in common" (being liars). i thought this was a well written episode. I do think John Locke steppin out of his wheelchair was one of the most perfectly written episodes of TV this season--so it's been tough to match. they have to be gearing up for some big payoff--but I agree it's looking like it'll be claire poppin out a kid/satan. Hurley is the final episode if I remember the listing Herc posted--so I'm not sure how that factors in.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Year End Cliffhanger (Spoiler alert)

    by Netherduuk

    I have read on E! online that indeed in the last (or one of the last) episode(s) of the season a "much loved, much fawned over main character" will indeed bite the dust... When I first read that I had my odds on Kate being 86'd... But a few days later it was stated that the main char to be offed was a) male & b) NOT played by a former hobbit... Any guesses, talkbackers?!?

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Sawyer drank because he had killed a man

    by SillySOB

    jesus people, it's called comprehension. try it sometime. oh and btw, hurley isn't repulsive Charles Grady. I mean, I'm sure you're an absolute beauty so your standards are probably higher than us mere mortals, but I'm sure there are plenty of girls that find Hurley cute if not hot.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 3:14 a.m. CST

    podunk411

    by DSB1369

    What the hell? Where did you conjure up that BS?

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Que?

    by Netherduuk

    What? Is the BS you're referring to the spoiler I posted, or the fact that someone believes that Hurley can be found "desireable"? And for the guy who didn't see the end because the episode ran long... All that Sawyer said to Jack's question was "no reason..." Since Lost has become a big hit ABC has started overunning it so it ends at 9:01... Their thought process being that if the show runs long and heads directly into Alias peeps will stick around instead of switching over to the West Wing (which they would have missed the first couple of minutes of already)... They're doing the same thing with Desperate Housewives as well...

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 3:53 a.m. CST

    The problem with Lost is that it seems like JJ & crew may be str

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    For example, what if by the end of the season, the revelation of what the island is is revealed? However, that would open up the question of WHY the island is the way it is, which could be explored/delved into in Season 2. In Season 3, the survivors know (or think they know) everything and are determined to survive where others have failed. Etc. But I just get this bad feeling that any revelations about the island itself will be stretched out as long as possible, across many seasons. That ultimately will lead to viewer frustration and impatience. Let me give you an example -- take the episode when Claire and Ethan returned: What if Sayid found a walkie-talkie on Ethan's body? And at the other end of the walkie-talkie is a creepy voice that just says one mysterious word before the line goes dead? And or how about Claire returning... but she's no longer pregnant? THESE would be clear examples of the mysteries about the island moving forward/progressing. Instead, all we got was Claire returning and Ethan getting killed off -- it was like everything had been given the proverbial Reset Button. That episode was an unsettling bad sign suggesting where this series will probably (or more accurately, won't) be going -- anywhere.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 3:56 a.m. CST

    I bet it's Hurley who dies...

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    1) How are they going to explain Hurley not losing weight across the seasons? (Unless the actor himself is dedicated to dropping off the pounds to make things more realistic.) 2) It won't be Walt. I predict he will be the first to get off the island, by the end of this season. That will address the matter of the young actor playing the character obviously aging through the seasons if he were to stay with the show. (The intention is to have episodes take place a few days after the previous episode, and this includes between season finales and premieres.)

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 4:06 a.m. CST

    I'll take that bet...

    by Netherduuk

    That's a really good guess Jim Jam, for the reasons that you stated... But it is my thinking that they will go for pure shock value in order to tie everyone over until Season Two.... And it is for that reason that I believe that they will be killing off the "Star" of the show... Jack...

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Unless

    by Netherduuk

    I say Jack because it would lead everyone to believe that if he died, ANYONE is expendable, but after now thinking about it... And it would totally suck if this were the guy to go... Do you think they might be planning on killing off Locke?

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Jack dying may be a possibility -- the original concept of the s

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    The original idea was to have a "movie star" play the part (Michael Keaton was one name they considered, though the idea hadn't progressed enough for them to approach Mr. Keaton). But by the end of the first hour, the Jack character would die, probably by the mysterious unseen monster. (Notice in the original pilot, after the first hour, that's when Jack could have been killed off.) The character Kate would then take over "leading" the survivors, and she was to have been played by the actress who now plays Sun.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Keaton

    by Netherduuk

    I heard that, yes... In fact, I've seen Keaton in TV interviews (when he was hyping White Noise) actually saying that they initially offered him the part, and that he was considering taking it, until they told him instead of having him killed off in the first hour he would be a regular, at which point he balked.... All the same, it makes it much easier to believe that it will be Jack's neck on the chopping block considering the char wasn't to have survived the pilot episode when it was first drawn up....

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Keaton Jack

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    Interesting, I didn't know that it had gone that far with him. Originally I suspected that Dominic Monahan might get killed off, because he's a "movie star". But in recent interviews, he says he really is thankful for the work since he was depressed from doing nothing after RotK. So there goes the theory that Charlie could go because the actor is known as a movie actor -- he could still be killed off, but not for this behind-the-scenes reason.... I find it interesting that under the show's original premise, Jack's daddy issues flashbacks would have been Kate's (Kate would have been a nurse, played by the actress now playing Sun).

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 4:56 a.m. CST

    so-so

    by Mr Brownstone

    I'm not criticising the episode for being low-key, I don't mind that as a rule, but the whole thing seemed so autopilot. Bland even.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 5:50 a.m. CST

    This backstory was needed

    by Jinxo

    I think this backstory bit was needed. I do think once they start revisiting everybody's backstory over and over it will get old. Last week with Charlie's second trip to the well I was kinda annoyed. I mean it was a decent story but with other characters we still know little about I was kind of annoyed. But this week with Sawyer is different in that it worked in an important piece of info that they are establishing with every character: what was he doing in Australia in the first place. Plus it didn't hurt that it was a good story. Sawyer gets tricked into being a hitman. Nice. Also helps explain why he was Joe Attitude when the show first started. I mean, yes, he's a con man and always looks to have been a mess. But he was crappy above and beyond that stuff. His having just been tricked into committing an actual murder? That would be enough to notch his issues and attitude up to 11. And my bet as to who dies would be Sayid. Hurley is too easy a target and he tends to represent the nameless faceless passengers we never see. On the other hand the show is lousy with hero types. Need to thin out that herd. Of all the heroes he seems the most on the ball and together. Less room for drama with him and more room for drama with him out of the group.

  • They haven't sat down and figured out any long term arcs or plan. Soon the plotlines and story will be as confusing and screwed up as the last few seasons of the X Files. Too bad.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Spoiler: So Sawyer didn't shoot the damn boor -- even though eve

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    ...And he thought, based on Locke's story, the boor represented Frank Sawyer? L-A-M-E.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Looks like it's taking two character-centered eps to address eac

    by koomoReborn

    Who are we missing? The "completed" characters are Sawyer and the Hobbit, and that's it. Kate still needs one more to explain a few things. Jack needs one to explain the tatoos/issues stuff. I suppose Black Daddy and Pregnant Girl are done with one each. Locke might not need another. The Korean couple need one between them. So, this Before The Crash stuff doesn't have much romm left for growth. FWIW, I'm an ep or two from forgetting to watch the show each week, too.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 7:08 a.m. CST

    JJ Abrams = Chris Carter, NOT Joss Whedon...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I'm really worried about this show, because I really do like it. I'm worried because I'm scared that it's going into a directionless path, similar to what has happened with Alias. Abrams has been compared to Whedon, but I don't see it. He's much more like Chris Carter -- all red herrings, "mystery" but very little follow-up, and when/if it does come, it all feels underwhelming. With Whedon's shows, you always got the sense that there was a steady and assured "guiding hand" leading the story arcs. Even if you didn't agree with or like the direction that certain seasons of Buffy and Angel took, you knew that there was a beginning, middle and end to every season, and subsequent seasons would then build and draw upon events of the previous seasons. 24 is the same way. But I'm really afraid we're just not going to get this style of plotting from LOST, which will ultimately be frustrating, and that's how I strongly feel LOST needs to be plotted. At this rate, I predict that in the season finale, we're going to get a bunch of over-the-top cliffhangers: Michael and Walt on their raft facing a killer storm; Claire about to give birth; the mysterious hatch is opened, Lock goes in but becomes trapped inside, so he walk down a dark passageway and disappears into the darkness; the unseen monsters surround the caves and start to close in on the survivors; Hurley dies; and somebody unseen shoots Jack. Blah. :P

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 7:27 a.m. CST

    The producers have said that each character could have SEVERAL f

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    For example: Shannon could have her own story. How about Walt's dog? No kidding -- they could probably do a decent story about the dog and its previous owners, one of who it turns out has a connection to the island. There could be another story about Claire, prior to her becoming pregnant. The possibilities go on and on.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 8:01 a.m. CST

    unanswered questions

    by smackfu

    I'm glad someone brought up X-Files, because it perfectly illustrates my point. X-Files made it up as it went along. It provided us with a very compelling mystery. But when it finally answered the fans demands and was forced to come up with answers, the X-Files fans all went away, then so did the X-Files. All you people who clammered back then for the answers were retards then, and you're retards now. You don't want the answers, you just think you do. I haven't watched X-Files since they gave us the answers, but when I look back, speculating and searching for the answers *was* the most enjoyable part of the experience. Enjoy it while it lasts.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Forget the T-1000 cameo and the silly looking "I never game" (so

    by Big Bad Clone

    Locke's revealing story about his sister. I don't think I blink during his entire story. When the fuck are we getting another Locke-centric episode...or are we not since he's no longer himself?

  • Keep up the smack, Herc! ALIAS could use some better episodes for a while.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 8:32 a.m. CST

    zillabeast, Red Sox, and drinkin' Sawyer

    by TempusFugitive

    "I've got no freakin idea what the fuck was going on the whole hour." Jeezus pal, if you couldn't understand THIS episode, I weep for your future. It had far fewer "what the fuck just happened" moments than most of the others, and everything was pretty damn straightforward. Toe Jam, I agree completely with your intentional-anachronism theory regarding the Red Sox never winning. It was actually nice to be able to laugh at a Red Sox = Losers comment on TV without wanting to hurl something at it. And for the last time, Sawyer said "I've never killed a man", Kate drank, and Sawyer drank... commenting, "I guess we do have something in common." It REALLY wasn't that hard to follow. Goddamn short-attention-span twits...

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 8:58 a.m. CST

    I agree Prof.

    by ECUPirate71

    I think this season will end with a bunch of story lines being splintered. That might not be such a bad thing. I think Boone gets killed, they have shown less of him, and let's not forget that he "allowed" Ethan to get into the camp. This may also allow Sayid and Shannon a chance to get together. Maybe he gets eaten by a monster as Locke escapes into the hatch. I think that Jack is a good choice to die, but with his growing recognition and fame I don't think it would be smart to take the main character out. We also need to know what happened to his Dad's body. I think that we will also find out more about Jin, I think he killed his boss/father-in-law. I also believe that Ethan will return for the baby. That is the key, and I think the episode where the psychic freaked out about the pregnancy was the creepiest thing I have seen on TV in a while.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Whiners, Lovers and Haters

    by KingKrikkit

    Every week I watch this show and every week I love the hell out of it. Why do we need such instant gratification? "Oh my god, theres mysteries, theres questions unanswered for ten minutes! Theres back stories, what a bunch of crap!" My god people, enjoy the show for what it is, questions will be answered I assure you, but, man, the show it's just starting out, developing, we are seeing characters and learning more about all of them every week, why do we need answers shoved into our faces? I dont mind them dragging out the big mysteries for a while. You know what? I DONT want to knwo what the creature is right away, I want to know in season 3. I dont want to know that the island is a floating spaceship and the creature is an escaped Alien monster and the ship is responding to thoughts and making them come true (a la Star Trek-TNG)... I dont want it all right now...Yes , I want some answers soon, but I have faith we'll find out something interesting by seasons end but its the suspense thats the most fun, not having it all laid out for me without the pleasure of discovery, piece by piece... I love Lost, have faith in it, I do, and so should you (or at least shut up)

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 9:27 a.m. CST

    What's going on with the TB??! It seems like the threads only be

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 9:33 a.m. CST

    "Now that's something we both have in common."

    by symphy

    I'm baffled how anyone could misinterpret this. Of COURSE Sawyer's referring to the fact that they're both liars, because they both lied on the final question (about killing a man). I personally loved this episode -- Sawyer's reaction to realizing he killed the wrong guy was the most heartwrenching moment the series has offered in months.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 9:36 a.m. CST

    You guys are too impatient, the backstory stuff is the best part

    by minderbinder

    Sure, I'd like to find out more about the island (right now the hatch in the ground is itching at me the most, there's no reason for Locke to be going at it full time and getting help if necessary). But I'm just as curious about the characters, for example Kate being married and killing the man she loved. I saw Sawyer getting tricked into killing the wrong guy coming a mile away, but it was still pretty cool. And him running into Jack's dad was a nice touch, I liked how he basically talks Sawyer into killing the guy. The show isn't perfect (I was pissed when they went redshirt last week after promising they wouldn't). But it's still one of the best things on TV right now (personally, it's my current fave). This show isn't 24 with constant action and constant payoff, if that's what you want, look elsewhere (although there HAVE been incremental payoffs, and new mysteries are coming at a reasonable pace). This show is ALL about the character development (which 24 barely has). I think the whining and impatience is limited to whiny geeks (who apparently have become bitter from too much X files and alias), the people I know who are watching this are loving it and can't get enough. And I also disagree that the show isn't planned and they'r emaking it up week to week - if that was the case, where's the evidence of it?

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Damnit...talkback is hosed, last few posts are lost. Is it gett

    by minderbinder

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 10:05 a.m. CST

    anyone

    by ZO

    hating this show or carnivale for not answering ur questions has serious issues. stick to watching friends or everyone loves raymond. shows like this are built for the long haul. they take some patience and intelligence. just enjoy the stories. they're not going to give u a payoff every week. who didn't like sawyer wrestling with his demons? and if u don't think it explained some then u shouldn't be watching.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 10:08 a.m. CST

    What a shame to live in an instant-gratification-MTV Video edite

    by StubePT

    You all keep comparing Lost to The X-Files. Might I point out that the X-Files went on for 9 seasons. The main story-arc went on for nine years, and fans were interested for about the first 6 or 7. I'm sure if Carter could go back, he would have ended it in season 7 and the world would have been perfectly happy. Lost is NOT about the island or the mysteries. The island and the mysteries are the story arc. Lost is really about the characters. It's about facing your past, how it effects you, and how you come to terms with it. And Lost does pay off things. Sayid heard a voice on the radio. It took five episodes or so, but they paid it off. Just like they'll soon pay off the door in the floor of the jungle. But they're going to reveal a little at a time. The second you blow the load, why tune in anymore. Lost offers you bits and pieces of a larger story every week to talk about a theorize around the water cooler. But then it also gives you an individual, self-contained story about one of the characters. It creates an arc for each character. You watch as each character use the baggage they brought with them to the island to re-form who they are. At first, we the audience think that Sawyer is a jerk. Only after 16 episodes have we begun to realize why. He becomes a much mroe sympathetic character. It just boggles my mind you people who get all angry for not being instantly gratified. Stop watching then.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 10:23 a.m. CST

    The reason Claire's belly looks fake

    by Spike Fett

    Pregnant women gain weight all over. Actresses playing pregnant still need to look hot so the makeup department refrains from giving them thick ankles, water retention around the waist, and chubby cheeks.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 10:38 a.m. CST

    The only way LOST can end...

    by Huffy_Henry

    is to have them somehow get off the island with very few answers. Have them end up at home with their friends/family/the public thinking their stories are crazy... poor victims, they went a little nuts out there. If the show ends with explanations, you know they won't be satisfying.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Death Pool

    by Rib Eye

    Last week I predicted Jin as the one to die. This week, I'm switiching him with my number two: Sawyer.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 11:32 a.m. CST

    I think what would be cool for the second season

    by zsasz

    Is if the second season started off a year or two after the first season ended. This way the whole flashback motiff could be used to explain what happened in the past year. I think if they continue the flashback to their previous lives before the plane crash for the next 3 years it could get tedious...

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Well, looks like NEW entries to the talkback are hosed again. Ni

    by TempusFugitive

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Nope, it doesn't appear to be smileys that are hosing the Talkba

    by Jim Jam Bongs

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 12:19 p.m. CST

    I love the show, best show on TV, been faithful, but I am growin

    by Mr. Profit

    This is my gripe with LOST. The greedy execs have tried to extend the season to 24. Lost should really only have 13 episodes. This is why HBO shows are successful. There is no time for silly filler episodes. And while it's nice to see more of the backstories reveal themselves. They should tell everyone elses story before they revisit someone they have shown before. The Sawyer flashback, did nothing really to advance the plot. While, Charlie's second flashback fit right into what was happening on the show. I just am hoping the writers aren't just making shit up. And I hope a real villain emerges. The making Sawyer a borderline bad guy routine is silly especially when we know he's not a killer. I love the show, but maybe ABC needs to trim the episode order to 18 and start the season in January so that it could be re-run free. That way the quality remains good, and there is not time for "The network needs to comptete tonight lets make a filler ep.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 12:33 p.m. CST

    And while I love Lost and it's my #1 show, Veronica Mars is slow

    by Mr. Profit

    Hey and has anyone else noticed who watches Desperate Housewives, that DH is also getting a bit too slow to answer some of their questions? Is Mama Solis still in a coma? Or did she go upstairs to her room and disappear to become a porn star like Jaime Foxxworth from Family Matters?

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 12:48 p.m. CST

    And my problem isn't so much that there's so much filler, but th

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Wonderfalls is a show that pretty much never got anywhere in ans

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 1:01 p.m. CST

    PODUNK411

    by topaz4206

    Damn dude YOU ARE CONFUSED! I guess you've never played that game. In the game of "I NEVER", you can A) start with a TRUTH, to (hopefully) make the other person drink, or B) "BLUFF". That way, you see if the other person drinks, AND THEN YOU DRINK. That's what Sawyer did. "I never killed a man".....HE DOESN'T DRINK (bluffing).....SHE DRINKS (TRUTH).......THEN he drinks (Truth)....... It's quite simple old chap, don't tie yourself up in knots about it. I love college! The other 2 BEST THINGS about college: 1) When a boy or girl asks someone he/she's never spoken to, "You wanna study for Friday's test together?", it means "Shall I meet you at your dorm to fuck?", and 2) The infamous "FUCK BUCK". When at a college bar, carefully peel off the label of your beer bottle, and pass it to the girl/guy of your choice. If they approach you later and cash in this "Fuck Buck", then congratulations! You are fuckin' tonight! Ah, if only the real world were this simple! Screw it, I'm going back to get my master's! P's

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 1:09 p.m. CST

    The problem with answering one question is

    by ChorleyFM

    that it will probably open up even more questions, or it will answer too many a once. Someone said that there was 48 unresolved issues, that may be true, but how many of them are linked. I bet if suddenly the mystery of Ethan was revealed and it wasn't something easily explainable (which I can not for the life of me concieve) then it would either answer all the questions relating to the voices and the hallucinations on the Island, or it would lead to more questions. To be honest I would prefer them kepp the status quo for a while longer.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 1:42 p.m. CST

    You know I actually like using the subject line of the TBs for t

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    HOSED.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:14 p.m. CST

    There is no island

    by Kikstad

    It seems so obvious to me that there is no physical island at all. I'm starting to believe the theory that this is all some big "experiment" by the government or aliens or scientists or whoever, and there was no plane crash. This is all in the characters minds (that's we have all those "eye" closeups that start almost every episode -- what characters see might not always be reality) -- and some of the characters might not be real at all, like some people have been speculating about Ethan. Maybe some of the castaways aren't real either. It's an interesting idea that explains all the flashbacks and all the "supernatural" stuff and all the wish-fulfillment plot devices so far. If this is the case, once the big plot-twist is revealed, there's still a lot of potential for a whole lot of further plot development (and different locations if the island scenario eventually grows old).

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:16 p.m. CST

    I think the stories that LOST tells are incredibly interesting.

    by Superfuld

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:17 p.m. CST

    I think it's just a matter of taste, I think the best backstorie

    by minderbinder

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Superfuld, you took the words out of my mouth. There are few sh

    by minderbinder

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:19 p.m. CST

    The fact that most people out there are annoyed that the questio

    by Superfuld

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Plus all the creators have said that they know all the answers t

    by Superfuld

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:27 p.m. CST

    What did Sawyer hear in the whisper?

    by Mindtrip

    I thought it was the last phrase the guy he killed said, something about what goes around comes around? If so, it ties in more with the thought that the boar was somehow the spirit of the murdered man.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:47 p.m. CST

    My guess & Sox reference

    by The Gipper

    I hate to say it, but I'm guessing Locke will be the one bumped off. He's the survivalist of the group, he's already faced down the "monster," so it would be ironic if he were the one to drop. Also, that was a nice reference to the Red Sox. Given the pace of the story, in "Island" time, it probably is not yet late October 2004, so the Sox haven't actually won the World Series yet. That makes Jack one of only two living Red Sox fans not to see them win, the other being "Coma Guy" (read ESPN article about it here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1325330/posts)

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 4:35 p.m. CST

    I don't know why everyone is so taken with Evangeline Lilly.

    by cookylamoo

    I admit, compared to the other women on the show, she's Katherine Hepburn, but she's too much of a bland Kim Delaney type for my taste. Killing Jack would make sense as then you could have a fight between Sawyer and Locke for leadership. However the show doesn't stick to it's own rules. Sometimes the encounters are actual, like the polar bear, other times they are symbolic, like the boar. Where's the friggin monster from the ID?

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Important Observation From Last Night

    by Itchy

    Claire is the hottest chick on the show. I wasn't sure for a while, and was leaning towards Kate ... but there's just something freaking cute about Claire. I want to rip that stupid fake plastic belly off her and do her pirate style.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Sawyer arrested

    by MrMonomaniac

    We still don't know why Sawyer was arrested in the cop shop scene in Boone's episode. Doubtful to be the murder.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 7:03 p.m. CST

    secrets

    by Mr Brownstone

    This whole everythings a secret and we reveal some of it at the end trend is really starting to get old. I just watched 10 hours of TAKEN only to be left with the little girl getting beamed up and very few questions answered. Unacceptable. LOST better deliver the goods eventually. It seems like a cop-out to hint at things and then never explore them. Why not reveal them and then go from there. It's called IMAGINATION. And smoke and nmirrors is not the same thing. I'm not in a hurry for LOST to get where it's going -- I enjoy the program alot -- it just better go somewhere and be more than just another "the universe is a mystery that will never be solved, what are you gonna do" show.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 8:23 p.m. CST

    PODUNK411

    by topaz4206

    Damn dude YOU ARE CONFUSED! I guess you've never played that game. In the game of "I NEVER", you can A) start with a TRUTH, to (hopefully) make the other person drink, or B) "BLUFF". That way, you see if the other person drinks, AND THEN YOU DRINK. That's what Sawyer did. "I never killed a man".....HE DOESN'T DRINK (bluffing).....SHE DRINKS (TRUTH).......THEN he drinks (Truth)....... It's quite simple old chap, don't tie yourself up in knots about it. I love college! The other 2 BEST THINGS about college: 1) When a boy or girl asks someone he/she's never spoken to, "You wanna study for Friday's test together?", it means "Shall I meet you at your dorm to fuck?", and 2) The infamous "FUCK BUCK". When at a college bar, carefully peel off the label of your beer bottle, and pass it to the girl/guy of your choice. If they approach you later and cash in this "Fuck Buck", then congratulations! You are fuckin' tonight! Ah, if only the real world were this simple! Screw it, I'm going back to get my master's! P's

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Yo.... This was Prof Pop Cult's fault. He was the last to post o

    by Mr. Profit

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Wonder how he hosed it? Can anyone figure out from the error me

    by minderbinder

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 11:07 p.m. CST

    I think it is the smiley.

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

  • Feb. 18, 2005, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Jack's Dad is responsible for the whole thing . . .

    by ProzacMorris

    Sawyer's reaction to the fact that he met Jack's dad stuck me as funny. I have a feeling that Sawyer and Jack's dad met up again after Sawyer killed old-what's-his-nuts. I think it would be cool if Jack's papa had contact with more than two people (Jack/Sawyer) on the island. Made them get on the plane with his advice, etc. Think a wounded Locke, a hurt Boone, a desperate Micheal and son . . .

  • Feb. 18, 2005, 4:06 a.m. CST

    I can't believe people are bitching about the flashbacks, its pr

    by Tall_Boy

    that and the stories of the b-plots/flashbacks are self-contained each week.

  • Feb. 18, 2005, 5:24 a.m. CST

    The Prof posted a smiley in the headline of the Survivor thread

    by Jim Jam Bongs

  • Feb. 18, 2005, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Not smileys in general then, but the "\" definitely looks like t

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

  • Feb. 18, 2005, 6:43 a.m. CST

    HOLY CRAP! Gheorghe, you're absolutely right -- the backslash ("

    by Jim Jam Bongs

  • Feb. 18, 2005, 10:41 a.m. CST

    That's hilarious...the TB's have been completely redesigned...bu

    by minderbinder

  • Feb. 18, 2005, 3:04 p.m. CST

    First boring episode. Agree with the guy tha says it's ok to hap

    by Hoke Mosley