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X3 on track for 2006 Summer Release' Singer smooth flying ahead!

Hey mates, Harry ere... Had a recent visit here in my geek home by none other than Bryan Singer, Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris. I was laying here minding my own business... staring at my enormous black iron boot using my vast mental powers to heal the bone faster, when I get this strange noise from my computer. Looking at it, my iChat was saying that I had a Video Chat Request from Michael Dougherty - Looking at it I thought... "He's in Australia on the Superman set... cool" so I turned my camera on, put on my power pasties and waited for the vastness of bandwidth to figure out our connections.

When the video got all clear - I was laying here looking at Bryan, Michael & Dan chatting at me. It was all dark and cold here, but there - in Dougherty vast lush pad - you could see the ocean lapping at the shore out his enormous bay window. Bryan was quite jealous of his view, as he lives in town and doesn't have nearly as wonderful a view. (Note: Writers get better views than Directors.) Bryan went on to tell me that in 4 weeks they'll be full steam ahead shooting out on the Kent homestead, which they built in studio, then hauled out to location - where there are apparently all manners of poisonous snakes. Eve Marie Saint is apparently a real trooper. They have indeed cast Noell Niel in the film! Who? You heathen! The original Lois Lane from the old George Reeves SUPERMAN tv show! Apparently she plays a cool ol lady that Lex Luthor swindles out of her fortune (at least that's kinda how it was explained to me.) Also - they have a dog... actually an adorable white puppy they're calling KRYPTO... and I have it on good authority that Krypto left a deposit of dangerous Kryptoshit, Red Kryptoshit on the carpet of Bryan Singer's office the other day. Anyway - I don't believe lil Krypto is in the movie, just a set pup. Bryan seems to be in great cheer - and it looks like he's full steam ahead.

I mention all of this, only because... well this is a story about X3 - and having been contacted by the main creative team behind X2 - I figured I'd provide an update on their activities, before providing an update on their old franchise's activities. Here ya go - wonder if they'll go head to head...

Hey-ho from surprisingly sunny England!

Have just been listening to the one and only Patrick Stewart chatting away happily to Simon Mayo on BBC Radio Fivelive over here in Blightly, while I dragged my arse home from another day’s work.

He’s currently appearing in the David Mamet play A Life in Theatre with Joshua Jackson in the heart of London’s West End - to rave reviews too!

But the most interesting part of the interview (apart from learning that he has one of every J-L Picard and Prof. Xavier action figure ever produced) was his info-update on the state of X3, the third installment of the franchise now deserted by Bryan Singer for Superman.

According to Stewart (who is 65 in July - can you belive it?), the studio are in close contact with him and are still aiming for a July start to filming so they can meet their previously scheduled Summer 2006 release date.  Still no word on a director, but he is expecting a copy of the script in his hands within the next couple of weeks!

Sounds pretty good to me, although it’s going to take a very strong director to take on the franchise without ruining the excellent groundwork laid down by the mighty Mr Singer.  Here’s hoping...

England’s poshest scooper,

Top Hat ‘n’ Tails

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  • Feb. 16, 2005, 8:16 a.m. CST

    First

    by jwac

    yes

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 8:21 a.m. CST

    MEN IN SKIRTS

    by Ra Ra Rasputin

    Good news about X 3 but the better news would be the return of Picard now that turd of a show enterprise has gone down the shitter, BRING BACK MEN IN MINNIE SKIRTS.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah...this screams for a one name hack

    by ChickenGeorgeVII

    BRING ON PITOF BABY!!!! OR HOW BOUT K.A.O.S.????? NOPE!!! BRING ON THE BEST - THE ONE - THE ONLY - McG!!!!!! ALL HAIL McG!!! McG! IS THE END ALL AND BE ALL OF ALL THAT IS FILM GOODNESS!!!! McG CAN MAKE ANY FUCKING SEQUEL FAR BATTER THAN ANYTHING THAT SOME OSCAR HACK THAT VOMIT!!!! BESIDES - FUCKING WEASEL SINGER TOOK SUPES FROM McG!!!! AND YOU DON;T FUCK WITH McG!!!! OR McG! STRIKES YOU DOWN CAUSE McG! IS A GOD!!!!!! ALL HAIL McG!!!! ALL HAIL McG!!!!! WAKE THE MAYOR OF YOUR TOWN AND GET DOWN TO THE TV STATION TO TELL ALL! ALL HAIL McG!!!! McG!!!! McG!!!! ALL HAIL McG!!!!...And thus, too early? - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Singer and Stewart Rock,Whedon for X3

    by Andy Dufresne

    And sadly looks like no jor el for stewart. Looks like the Superman movie we've waited for. Hopefully Joss can give us an ass kicking X men movie too

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 8:29 a.m. CST

    ChickenGeorge that McG joke is getting real tired now

    by JimmyRabbit

    Still can't resist the urge to.......HAAIIIIIL MCG!!!!

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Is Whedon on this one?

    by moviemaniac-7

    I really, really hope so. I would have preferred Singer completing the trilogy, but if there is one person out there who could do this one justice, it's Joss Whedon. Alas, the people at Fox would never give the franchise to him, given the only feature directed by him will open late this year which is a little bit too late for summer 2006. I hope they stall X3 for this very reason for one year, let Serenity become the box-office hit it deserves to be and let Joss make X-Men 3.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 8:31 a.m. CST

    boring

    by normal-guy

    Sorry but even though the first two X-Men were pretty good, they were also pretty boring. I'm eager to see if a new director can step it up a notch.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Master of Sequels

    by MasterShake

    Nicholas Meyer co-wrote and directed the two best Star Trek sequels; The Wrath Of Khan and Star Trek Six, I say find out if he's available.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 9:01 a.m. CST

    HAvent they already started negotiations?

    by Mr Chuff

    I read that Fox have been courting Michael Bay for X3....

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 9:08 a.m. CST

    only one man can save X3 - PITOF

    by quantum_ken

    Black leather Phoenix!

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Hey guys, let's all be really loud so they hear that we want Whe

    by PoliMan4

    WHEDON!

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 9:25 a.m. CST

    I second that

    by chickenmonkey

    WHEDON, BABY!!!

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 9:34 a.m. CST

    It doesn't matter who the director is...

    by I Speak Jive

    as long as it isn't Anderson. My main worry is the script. A Whedon-penned script would rock the mother fucking house. Anybody who thinks otherwise, simply read his Astonishing X-Men run. He knows the mythology, he knows how to write. If I had to choose between Whedon writing the flick or directing it, I'd want him writing it, hands-down. Looks like we have a couple of hacks writing this thing, though. Nothing like a rushed piece of shit to destroy the franchise. Why not just hire Schumacher to shower-rape my childhood, sans lube. Instead of just a gay Magneto and Nightcrawler, EVERYBODY can be gay! Fuck metaphor, let's do it right, baby!

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Is there anyone left to be in X3?

    by Mr_Furious

    I'm waiting for the announcement that Hugh Jackham has been cast as Bizarro. www.theletterd.blogspot.com

  • Specifically, to "Uwebola". Now, what to do with Anderson?

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Fuck Whedon.... Isn't he responsible for Halle's infamous Toad l

    by Mr. Profit

    Bring on Alex Proyas NOW. I Robot was underrated, and overlooked due to fan boys not really liking Will Smith.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Let's really ruin the X3 franchise and put Bay on it

    by Lost Skeleton

    overthe top explosions; crazy car chases, mutants ...that would be great!

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 9:59 a.m. CST

    X-Men are my FAVORITE.

    by Spike Fett

    X-2 is the best superhero flick ever, IMO. Please don't fuck this up. Please please please.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Wimmer

    by Trevor Goodchild

    Good to see his direction with a decent script. And I'll repeat-Angus Mcfadden,Oliver Platt, Vincent D'onofrio or Joaquin Phoenix for Beast. In an ideal world though I'd like to see Wes Anderson do X3.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 10:05 a.m. CST

    So let me get this straight.:

    by Childe Roland

    In order to set up an e-mail received from a chap in Britain regarding something he heard Patrick Stewart say, Harry goes off on this long and self-indulgent tangent about getting to chat over the Internet with Bryan Singer on the set of Superman in Australia. At the start, I was sure we were going to get some sort of scoop about Singer somehow still being involved in the X franchise, but no. It was just one of Harry's "I like stories" moments. Britain to Australia in the first person twice removed. That's a LONG fucking detour just to drop the name "Bryan" a dozen times, big guy.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 10:06 a.m. CST

    This is simple: Whedon does the script, Richard Donner moves fro

    by the G-man

    Problem solved.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 10:18 a.m. CST

    BOYCOTT SUPERMAN!

    by OgieOglethorpe

    MAKE SINGER PAY for deserting our beloved X-MEN!

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Singer didn't desert X-MEN. Fox deserted _him_. (Stupidly.)

    by robogeek.com

    Given the enormous success of the first two X-Films (and very likely success of SUPERMAN, given everything we're hearing about it), Fox should've just been grown-up enough to _wait_ for Singer, because it'd so obviously be worth it (and he's more than entitled to go make another movie before X3). But noooooo, corporate greed and studio ego got in the way, didn't it? (In other words, OgieOglethorpe: don't be an asshole.) Given that ship has sailed, though... I vote Whedon.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Whedon schmedon

    by kintar0

    C'mon, Astonishing X-Men is bad enough. Let Whedon focus on Buffy, Angel and Firefly "the movie." That's you you Whedonites really want, isn't it?

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 11:26 a.m. CST

    PITOF for X3!!!!

    by nomad202

    One thing the X-Men franchise needs: rap songs mixed in with a basketball scene betweeen Wolverine and Phoenix!!!!

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Mr. Profit -Yes, Whedon WROTE the "Toad" joke - but...

    by Damitol

    It was Halle Berry's delivery that fucked the "toad" line up (and I guess we could also blame Singer for signing off on that delivery, but I choose to think it was probably a second unit shot, and the tight budget didn't allow for a re-shoot once Singer saw the dailies). Whedon said in an interview that he did some polishing on the X-Men script and that the line was supposed to be a smart ass "fuck you" kind of line, but Berry, for reasons known only to her, chose to read it like God handing down the commandments. It's a typical Whedon throw away mangled by a hack actress who's main talent is located under her bra. And no, I'm not a Whedon apologist, just someone who admires a lot of his work and thinks he would do a great job with X-Men.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I used to think Whedon for X3 was a bad idead, but Astonishing X

    by George Newman

    The narrative direction is incredible and he guided Cassaday to draw a thrilling comic. I never got into Buffy or Angel. I liked the weird episodes like the Buffy musical and the Angel puppet one. but i never watched 2 episodes in a row.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 12:07 p.m. CST

    I don't mind Whedon so long as

    by meburma

    he avoids having everyone talk in that pre-pubescent dialogue that we heard all through Buffy's run. I mean really... did everything sentence have to end with a "y" or "ie" on the final wordie? That's part of what made Angel better than Buffy, Whedon wit - but with a grown up attitude.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Whedon?

    by UES

    Whedon? What's he ever done that's liked by someone besides shut-ins and 16 year old wiccans? He is also busy doing his movie version of a show that aired twice and was seen by 15 people. Since Brian Singer is off doing Gay Superman, clearly you need someone talented and experienced with fanboy franchises. Uwe Boll. Also, I hear Brett Ratner is free.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Hey, at least Sean Astin isn't campaigning for the job...

    by wash

    last I heard he was asking the studios if he could direct Catcher in the Rye.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 1:07 p.m. CST

    X3 Director

    by Mafu

    I've never read any of the "X-men" comics, so my opinion of the story is based entirely on the films. I know about The Dark Phoenix, but only because a friend explained it to me. The science behind the story is entirely bunk, but I still dig the characters and the badass storylines. I even heard a Wolverine movie might be in the works, which I would love to see. As for an "X3" director, my choice would be Singer or Joe Carnahan, followed by Whedon. For an "X3" writer, I would choose Whedon. He's apparently written more recent X-men material, so he's more familiar with the material than other writers. Then again, I'd rather see the stand-alone "Wolverine" movie before "X3."

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 1:23 p.m. CST

    What's that "Whedon" thing? Oh, yes - the "brain" behind Alien:

    by SalvatoreGravano

    Such a wonderful idea. But to make it all perfect, his, er, "script" should be directed by Whoever It Was, the director of "Son of Mask".

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 1:26 p.m. CST

    "I know about The Dark Phoenix, but only because a friend explai

    by Stan the Bat

    The SCIENCE behind the story?!?! Would that be the same science according to which a person bitten by a radioactive spider gains the proportionate strength of a spider? That's a bold stand you're taking against comic-book science, there, my friend...

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Stan the Bat

    by Mafu

    Sorry about that, Stan. I didn't mean to insult comic-book science. I'm in the process of learning how comic-book science works, so give me the benefit of the doubt here. And, in conclusion, would you rather see a "Wolverine" movie or "X3"? Maybe they aren't mutually exclusive, and I hope they both get made, but I'm wondering.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Who's writing it?

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Didn't even know they had a script in the working, much less one ready to turn in.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Bad sign when the studio is pushing for it to come out so soon

    by andrew coleman

    Means they will hire anyone, Bret Ratner, McG who knows who they will hire, but I doubt it will be a good choice, script will be rushed too. I guess they are doing this to keep the cast together but this does not look good for X-Men

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Whedon is an overrated piece of crap

    by Bong

    Give it to Bay to direct and PWS to write...then at least I can laugh a little

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 2:20 p.m. CST

    How many of you Halle-haters have a Golden Boy standing proudly

    by Trader Groucho 2

    And BTW Halle sealed the Oscar in the closing scene of Monster's Ball, where she effectively conveyed betrayal, consideration of revenge, reflection, reconsideration and acceptance without uttering a single word. First time I saw that film (in December, before any nominations came out), walking out of the theater I turned to my friend and said they may as well just pack up the Oscar and ship it to her now. It was an amazing piece of work, and far more difficult to pull off than, say, Sean Penn's yelling in Mystic River, "Is that My OSCAR in there??? Is it???" If you are an actor and looking for a great analysis of how Halle - with the help of her acting coach - broke down that scene and played it so her character wins, check out Ivana Chubbuck's book "The Power of the Actor", chapter 1.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 2:35 p.m. CST

    They already have a director.

    by DOGSOUP

    They are just not telling us who it is. Secret Secret! Who's the Secret?! I still think it's Whedon and I still think he'd do good because of Astonishing X-Men. The Lightning-Toad line probably sounded good on paper but was butchered by Halle's apathetic delivery. Whoever it is they got em already signed,sealed,and delivered. That's why they can stay on 2006 schedule,I'm tellin ya.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Only Savage Steve Holland could successfully wrap up our beloved

    by Nice Marmot

    I was wondering, Cyclops, would you mind if I took Jean out?

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Pitof is not evil

    by Znosaro

    Sure, Catwoman was vomitous. But Pitof also directed this French movie called Vidoqc that rocked pretty hard. He has talent. He just made a bad movie.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Bring back MICHAEL BAY!!!

    by Gilkuliehe

    Hey remember those good ol' days when a silver S showed up on SIR Michael Bay's website (www.therealevolvingsenseandsensibilty.com) ? Those were the days of HOPE, I tell you, the days when you could honestly expect a SERIOUS approach to the man of steel. Imagine Clark in that fortress "Dad, I'm such a pussy, even though I have supernatural powers" "Shon, do your besht" "My best? losers are always whining about their best" BOOM enters ZOD. "Hey son of JOR-EL kneel before the prom queen and start Deltoroing that Blade II" Some shit starts exploding covered by sixteen cameras. Hans Zimmer fanfarre. Now THAT'S what I call entertaining. Ergo, Synger's evolving sensibility is not evolved enough. Synger: "My sensibility has evolved". Bay: "Yes... Into ME". Wink wink.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Celled?

    by Trevor Goodchild

    I agree Vidoqc is a great piece of work. Who was that other one name director? He directed The Cell. That had it's moments.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 3:52 p.m. CST

    "I'm in the process of learning how comic-book science works..."

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    Holy christ... that is beautiful.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 4:10 p.m. CST

    X3 vs. Wolverine movie

    by I Speak Jive

    The only way a Wolverine movie works is if it's a hard-core R. Like that would ever happen.

  • The Academy gets criticism for there being no black Oscar winners of late and the next year, 50 black winners. Coincidence? She's not even black anyway.

  • You spelled "read the book" as "doesn't like Wil Smith".

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 4:43 p.m. CST

    "I Robot was underrated, and overlooked due to fan boys not real

    by SirBiatchReturns

    funny enough, its pretty much fanboys who didn't like I Robot. everyone else i know who's watched it thought it was fucking excellent. No one can tell me that movie was crap. The plot was well paced and interesting. Maybe you fanboys could have written a better plot. sure.....It had its funny moments for sure. Although parts of it were trying too hard to be funny. The effects were amazing and were superior to Spiderman 2. Overall, a 8.5-9/10 movie. oh... and comments on Halle Berry. She's mixed, not black. not white. but mixed. Its not Halle's fault that most of her early work was overlooked. She can definitely act but the academy decides to give her an Oscar after fucking someone. shows you the mind of Hollywood. so now fanboys act like she has no talent, instead of thinking about the real issue behind this: 'why wont Oscars actually award the best actors/movies at the right time? do they have a hidden agenda?' me thinks so.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 4:49 p.m. CST

    i, too, disagree with the science behind the x-men

    by jmc8y

    seriously though, whedon should be writing this shit. and anyone who thinks he would include the cutsie buffy-speak is a moron and should watch angel or firefly.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Biatch, when you say...

    by Childe Roland

    ..."fanboys" in reference to people who didn't appreciate the liberties the iRobot took with its source material, are you referring to fans of good literature and insinating that not one of the people who read or enjoyed that book might have been a woman? I'm just curious, because you seem to be typing out your ass again.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Childe Roland, I agree

    by FreeJack

    The more-connected-than-thou tone Harry injects into his writing makes it very off-putting (beyond the fact that his writing, itself, is barely readable). Nobody cares that you had a video chat from your hospital bed (how much sympathy are we supposed to HAVE for you, anyway) with some creatives. What we care about is whether they gave you any COOL NEWS. This is not "Aint It Cool That I'm So Connected Dot Com."

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Halle can put my Golden boy on her mantle any time...

    by KongMonkey

    mmmm...dark meat. Not too dark, but medium well.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 6:11 p.m. CST

    SirBiatch is a nothing more than a troll with an agenda. He sets

    by IAmJacksUserID

    Most of the time, he uses race bait.

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Phyllis Coates was first on TV!!!

    by phelion2

    Coates was the first TV Lois Lane, appearing in the1951 Movie/pilot Superman and the Molemen and the first season of b&w eps, and left when the made the show cheesier even though they offered her 5 times the salary as the first season (she'd also signed to do another pilot and had some personal issues at home). Niel played her first on screen in the serials, which put her in line to succeed Coates when she walked away. For more info visit http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=cast-crew/phyllis-coates

  • Feb. 16, 2005, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Science of the X-men? Bah! Child's play! I've recently submitted

    by Anlashok

    regarding the scientific theories,principles, and inherent inconsistencies regarding the famed 1942 character "Maximus musculus" or for the layman:"Mighty Mouse". I concluded that while my biological evidence to support such physical manifestations in said creature would remain, for some time, hotly contested by my colleagues. One irrefutable fact remains intact. That being that for whatever the psychological motivations, this creature, this mouse, is indeed,here...to save the day.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Why don't we hold off putting Whedon on X3 until AFTER we see th

    by Triumph poops!

    Because if that movie is as hideously boring and childishly moronic and badly directed and sucks ass as much as the crappy FIREFLY tv show did, then the man shouldn't be let anywhere NEAR the next X-MEN movie. Unless those with no taste here are really hoping for more "Toad struck my lightning" type of lines. Because we're all still slapping our knees in laughter and fond remembrance over that classic quip for the cinema history books...

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Fuck Summer 2006

    by Ribbons

    I've said it before (I swear I have) and I'll say it again: tentpole fucking releases. They're going to be one of the biggest hurdles in the effort to establish good comic book movies. It's all rainbows and skittles for 'Spider-Man' because a large number of the creative team hasn't gone anywhere yet. But when you get a new writer, new director, and chuck whatever plot points there might have been left behind out the window, you're playing with fire. Not saying Bryan Singer is the only man capable of making a good 'X-Men' movie, but really, Fox, would it have killed you to wait? Fucking greedy bastards.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 2:58 a.m. CST

    "every film script Whedon wrote sucked." Um, you mean like TOY S

    by robogeek.com

    Boy howdy, I'd almost forgotten how profoundly stupid Talk Backers can be, so I really appreciate the reminder, GiftedInYourDreams! For the record... Whedon's screenwriting has been nominated for both an Oscar (TOY STORY) and an Emmy (BUFFY). (And Ribbons, you hit the nail on the head - Fox should be more concerned with making a movie than a schedule.)

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Dougray Scott

    by Trevor Goodchild

    Would of like to have seen his Wolverine so be good to see him get a part in the third. Gambit? Madrox?

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Whedon's the man for the job

    by JT Styler

    PS. The people who are so anti-Buffy and it's almost-as-good sister show, Angel are those who've never given the show a chance and frankly, I feel sorry for them - missing out on a pair of genre masterpieces. BTW Whedon-esque dialogue is not always "cutesy" - it's written to fit the characters so while the women on both show spoke that way at times, the men didn't! Plus I don't care how cutesy a person's dialogue is, as long as it's well-written. Oh and if you doubt Whedon's credentials - watch Toy Story again - tell me that movie doesn't own, read Ultimate X-men, tell that book doesn't own and finally in September, watch Serenity and eat crow!!! The Styler has spoken.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Anla'shok, I think the correct scientific name...

    by tucson

    ...would be Mus maximus. But hey, it's cool to see someone who knows that the species name isn't capitalized.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 11:44 a.m. CST

    JT Styler

    by Jumpstart

    You're sorry for me because I don't like Joss Whedon? Now, let's not get *completely* presumptuous and say I don't *get* Whedon. I get him just fine. I liken him, for the most part, to Kevin Smith. His writing is so-so, and filled with jokes that you can tell he himself is bloody pleased with, and that's why they're there. I've watched Buffy, I've watched Angel, I've even watched Firefly, and I gotta say, I'm just not amused. (Now, before you go completely elitist on me, and feeling "sorry" for me is way elitist, understand, I'm a "Prisoner" fan. But you know what I don't do? I don't condemn people as pitiable or that they don't *get* it because they don't like it. I don't like Whedon, and the vast majority of work reads to me like cult-fan material...much like Kevin Smith. And maybe that's just my thing. And maybe Buffy is yours.) Sorry, but I hate it when people get elitist on me when I say I don't like Whedon's stuff, or Smith's stuff, whatever.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 11:46 a.m. CST

    And the "toad" line...

    by Jumpstart

    I don't remember who said it, but there was nothing *nothing* NOTHING that was ever going to make that line worthwhile. NOTHING.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 11:55 a.m. CST

    And to add to the "I, Robot" debate...

    by Jumpstart

    Maybe I'm going to be elitist here for just one moment, but I'll fully admit to snobbery. I'm not ashamed. There are two things that Hollywood does that I refuse to support. 1. Will Smith. I hate that he's so fucking smug. I hate how Hollywood sucks up to him (go to Rotten Tomatoes and see how many positive reviews there are of "Hitch" that call the movie "formulaic." Guaranteed, if it were anyone else, those would be bad reviews.) 2. Hollywood taking classic books and degenerating them into dumb action flicks (I'm referring directly to Asimov and Dick). Now, I've never read the books in question, BUT, these authors have to be so hailed, so beloved, that it seems to me these books were not action-oriented. They were thought-oriented. They gave the readers stuff to think about. That's what good science-fiction really is. In fact, in recent years, the only really good science fiction movie I've seen (bearing in mind, that I don't get to see a lot of movies, some based on prejudgement, some because I just don't have the time) was "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind." While the movie had its flaws, it got down to really being about humans, and it didn't have a cop-out, forced "love conquers all, 'cause fate said so" happy ending, like a lot of us humans don't. So, call me a snob, call me ignorant, call me whatever you want, but I still think that there's something to the original that Hollywood just can't get it's hands on. I just know it.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Whedon's writing isn't really the point

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Since he's not writing X3, at most, he may touch up the script, what's at question is how he would be as a director. And let's stop bashing Proyas for "fucking" up Asimov's book, as he never intended to adapt it, and if you read it, you'd know why. He just wanted to write a story based around the three laws, and that's what he did, it was the studio that insisted the movie be called "I, Robot," not him or Will Smith.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 12:16 p.m. CST

    RE:JUMPSTART

    by The Founder

    Well let us thank god that you don't run hollywood, cause Poor Will Smith would be out of work. Dude I like Will Smith, and so does a lot of other people. By the way Smith isn't smug. He's probably one of the few big celebs that actually nice to the fans when a camera isn't there to film the going ons. Also Hitch was pretty entertaining, to bad you wish it was crap or you just don't get it. The best way though to show your hatred of Will Smith is to not see his movies, I'm sure he's going to lose sleep over it.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Whedon isn't on Ultimate Xmen

    by The Founder

    and hopfully he won't be put on X3. Look Whedon was good for buffy and Angel. He did a great job with those shows, but i just don't want him on xmen.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Astonishing X-Men

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    that was Whedon's title, never picked it up myself though.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry, but there is no way that you can credit Whedon for th

    by BarrelRider

    As I hope somebody has already mentioned, Lasseter is the man we owe for Toy Story, and its superior sequel. And Ancient Lights, did you really think Lynch was a hack until you saw Mulholland Drive? I can honestly say I've never heard anybody refer to David Lynch as a hack. Weirdly enough, MD is often thought of as his least accesible film, so you must live life on the edge dude. I agree though: it's a fucking masterpiece. Perhaps you should go back and check out The Elephant Man, Eraserhead, Wild at Heart and Dune - because they are masterpieces too.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Mr. Profit, you have busted me

    by Homer Sexual

    Because it is true, I was totally prejudiced against I, Robot due to the Will Smith factor, but the movie was pretty good.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 7:48 p.m. CST

    On Alex Proyas and 'I, Robot'

    by Ribbons

    Wasn't he (allegedly) locked out of the editing room? First of all, let's recognize that 'I, Robot' wasn't *that* bad in the first place, although as a movie it's derivative of almost every popular robot story except for Asimov's books. Second of all, Proyas is not responsible for the movie sucking...if you want to breakdown how he did directing the movie, that's fine, but both he AND the scriptwriters (which I don't think he was one of) were being pressured by the studio to conform to their expectations. You can't fault him entirely for the way 'I, Robot' turned out (though you CAN fault him entirely for the way 'Garage Days' turned out). And remember: we are still talking about the man who made 'Dark City.'

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the info tuc!

    by Anlashok

    who says talkbacks aren't educational.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Triumph and Ancient Lights are right -- before we go handing off

    by Commando Cody

    Seems fair to me as a response to those who are clamoring that Whedon should get to direct the big budget X3 simply because, what, he wrote the comic recently? Hell, by that standard let Chris Clairemont or John Byrne or Jim Lee direct the movie then. Particularly since those 3 impacted the franchise far more than Whedon's stint as writer ever did. And besides, Triumph and Ancient Lights are right -- we should be allowed to first judge Whedon's "vision" and his directing ability by viewing SERENITY -- which clearly has a bigger, better budget than any of his TV episodes AND which is his own personal labor of love project. So certainly the final SERENITY product should shine like no tomorrow. Because if he was given the money, time, and resources to go off and shoot his own beloved project and then it DOESN'T come out smelling like a rose, that should be a definite warning bell. Though I'm sure in anticipation of SERENITY potentially tanking at the box office, all the Whedon lovers ALREADY have their lists drawn up explaining that the movie's bombing had nothing to do with Whedon's script or direction -- oh, no, it couldn't be that -- but rather it was all Universal's fault for marketing it wrong, or it wasn't placed in enough movie malls or the proper ones regionally, or it didn't get enough sidebar product placement support to help push it over the top (toys, video games, etc). So like Triumph and Ancient said, let's see how the guy does first. Of course, this theory only works for execs and suits pulling the strings behind the scenes (in other words, Fox and the X-producers being able to screen SERENITY for themselves to make a judgement call). After all, we the "genre fans" won't get to see the Firefly movie to pass our own judgement till September, but the X3 movie will already have been shooting for 3-4 months by that point. All in all, I agree with others -- Fox should just backburner the movie for summer 2007 instead so that SINGER can come back and shoot X3 and X4 back to back insteasd, so he can do the Dark Phoenix and Sentinel storyline he envisioned and was laying the groundwork for.

  • Feb. 17, 2005, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Ahh, so *that's* where my University Chancellor disapeared off t

    by raw_bean

    Well as long as he makes it back up here to his hometown in time to be there at my graduation ceremony later this year, I'll forgive him. :^) ---------- I do so hope X3 lives up to it's potential. Fingers crossed!

  • Feb. 18, 2005, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Simon Kinberg is a sucky screen writer..so X3 is going to suck..

    by Jon E Cin

    Look at his past and current projects..crap crap crap.

  • Feb. 18, 2005, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Ancient L

    by BarrelRider

    Well, I haven't read Ebert's comments on Lynch - I'll try to track them down, although I generally make my own mind up about artists rather than be influenced by the comments of critics. Critics don't always hit the mark, but you can't deny your own feelings. Are there any directors who have emerged in the last 10-15 years who you really rate? I can almost guarantee that they have respect for Lynch. And if you find the films easy enough to access, it might help if you explained how they are "exploitative". Who exactly is being exploited?

  • Feb. 18, 2005, 3:23 p.m. CST

    All you need to know about Marvel science...

    by Abelman007

    is that radiation in any form will result only in superpoweres, never death, and that anything can be built using unstable molecules.

  • Feb. 18, 2005, 9:30 p.m. CST

    What about...

    by tango fett

    Francis Lawrence as director? Apparently Constantine is pretty good and maybe he could bring some spiffy, haunting visuals...or he could turn it to shit and force feed it to us. Who knows.

  • Feb. 19, 2005, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Aren't people tired of X-men films now?

    by Fugazi32

    ...or are they trying to make a 'trilogy'?!

  • Feb. 19, 2005, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Ancient (sorry for the delay!)

    by BarrelRider

    Hope you don't think I was ridiculing your opinions dude, I certainly wasn't. It's just I'm used to people who love Blue Velvet etc but think Mulholland is incoherent crap. It's interesting to hear from somebody who thinks the opposite. I also think it's his best movie. And yeah, BV is a pretty dark film, I'm not sure about it being exploitative, that's all. One last thing though: I guarantee every one of the directors you mentioned appreciates Lynch's work, amny of them will even have been encouraged to direct after seeing his films. But you're also right that this doesn't necessarily prove anything. Anyhoo - cheers for the discussion, keep watching good movies. On a completely different note, if Jamie Foxx doesn't win best actor for Ray at the Oscars, there will be something very wrong with this world

  • Feb. 27, 2005, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Whedon as director, Bacic as Beast

    by Meretean

    I'd like to see Steve Bacic as Beast for more than three seconds, and so far, I've loved everything that Joss Whedon has done. And for those who worry about Buffyspeak being Joss' only mode of expression, you just have to watch Firefly to know that Joss can do Anyspeak.