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Did Fox lose all confidence in “Arrested Development” when the Hollywood Association of Waiters and Cabdriv … er, the Hollywood Foreign Press Association decided to bestow its all-important “best comedy” Golden Globe on “Desperate Housewives” instead?

A Jimmy Kimmel viewer relates:

I was not too worried, but obviously upset when earlier today their 22 episode season was reduced to 18 in favour of more American Dad, but David Cross on Jimmy Kimmel tonight said the show "stopped production" this morning. It sounds like they are more or less through. Which is just truly terrible, as this was one of the remaining watchable TV programs, and probably the best comedy around. Please post this so others can be aware and maybe help.

Well, yes, when the order is trimmed, production will stop sooner rather than later. But did Cross say something about it defintitely not starting up again next season?

As far as I know, Fox has not formally pulled the plug on “Arrested,” and has at least till mid-May to decide if the comedy will turn up on its 2005-06 slate. Still, giving the borrible “American Dad” its timeslot for May sweeps? Not the best sign.

My advice for "Development" fans? Sign up for cable.

Long live "Curb Your Enthusiasm."

Long live "South Park."

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  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:13 a.m. CST


    by amrcanpoet

    Arrested Development is possibly canned after two seasons, and Fox keeps Malcom in the Middle on for HOW LONG?

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Long live Enterprise

    by chrth ... we're buying a 5th season!

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:19 a.m. CST

    never seen the show...

    by darth sars

    but can american dad be that horrible?

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Could give a shit if "South Park" goes another season...

    by SmarkJobber

    ...there's been a handful (six?) already. However, "Arrested Development" has only a season and 1/3 tucked under its arm -- at full stride the show could be one of the best ever (the first season alone is arguably better than 90% of shows that made syndication). If FOX pulls the plug on "AD" and replaces it with that p.o.s. "AD" ("American Dad," aka "Family Guy: Part Dos") I will stomp my feet for multiple minutes, and perhaps punch a wall. I don't know. This kind of shit is only supposed to happen to Herc and his "Wonderfalls"-esque shit. I hope HBO can buy "Arrested" off of FOX.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:22 a.m. CST


    by Wheel99

    This show is hilarious. I just watched the 1st season on DVD and every episode has at least 3 laugh outloud moments in it. If Fox cancels this show NBC should swoop it up and put it on in the 9:30 Thursday slot where it can find a real audience.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:23 a.m. CST

    It would be...

    by Childe Roland

    ...a sad day indeed for network TV if Arrested Development got shafted for American Dad. The former is one of the most original and consistently funny TV comedies to come down the pike in a long time. The latter causes cancer in laboratory animals. It's true.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:31 a.m. CST

    NBC *should* Pick it up!

    by amrcanpoet

    And pair it with Scrubs on Tuesdays...The two best comedies on TV, back-to-back? Then NBC could hype "Must See TV" again, but this time actually mean it!

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Fox is retarded

    by zer0cool2k2

    It really annoys me how they will promote a show as being unique and a critical darling ("Look how cool we are at FOX...we love you"), only to dump it in a heartbeat if they can find a cheap alternative when it doesn't make them a mint of ad revenue.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Damnit to hell.

    by Judge Briggs

    Just got into this show and it's brilliant. Fucking networks. First Life As We Know It and now this... of course... I mean, when a show is good, it gets cancelled... shouldn't be surprised anymore... it's the circle of shit called network television execs making decisions.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:44 a.m. CST

    FOX clearly wants to be a network that sucks.

    by gurglesnap

    That's the only explanation. They'll never have another 'Simpsons'. They'll never create a 'Seinfeld'-size hit. They don't have the gumption to actually develop and grow a show. They greenlight great things, then seemingly actively try to kill them. I think they resent that UPN is the crappy network that no one respects these days. They want to reclaim their role at the bottom of the barrel. The good news is that they're well on their way!

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:54 a.m. CST

    NO!! Live Arested D! Why cancel it?! Just move it to another ni

    by warp11

    Arested D is one of the most funniest, and wittiest shows on T.V.! The way all the seperate plots converge at the end of an ep while the main arc of the season continues is amazing. and! It's also hillarious! Don't do it FOX!

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:57 a.m. CST

    I also hope they wrap up the story line!

    by warp11

    If Arrested D does go off the air they have to wrap up what happens to all the family members. Maybe have Ronhoward do some sort of 3 min narration (he is usually the narator), of what became of each member. IE: Job went on to become a popular magician, etc.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Voicebox: Liberals made fun of in American Dad?

    by amrcanpoet

    I don't think so. The main character is a right wing nut who exposes through irony the ridiculousness of our country at this time. Please. Like Family Guy, McFarlane takes shots at ALL sides. Liberals get it, conservatives get it, but no one is made fun of so much as to not watch it based on that...Except maybe the Mexicans.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 11:08 a.m. CST

    I've never seen "American Dad"...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...but I get the feeling that Voicebox is one of those guys that liked "All In The Family" because he thought Archie was such a swell guy.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 11:09 a.m. CST

    developing arrest

    by greyspecter

    where have all the good shows gone? they have vanished, like chips during the superbowl, like Family Guy off of Fox (i don't care if they're bringing it back, they should cancel Malcom or Simpsons instead). Fox hasn't had a good show since Dark Angel or X-Files

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 11:16 a.m. CST

    It hasn't been as good this season...

    by godric

    I still think they go for the easy dirty joke instead of the joke that's actually funny half the time this year. That being said...canceling it would be LAME because it still rocks.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 11:18 a.m. CST

    One of the last great shows

    by AppleBalls

    I gotta give credit to Fox for at least getting this show off the air, but damn, can't they give something so critically adored a little bit more faith? Instead of giving up and focusing on cheap shit cock dribble like American Dad, why not spend that money on some advertising and get this show the audience it deserves? I own the dvd set and there's not one person I've showed this to that hasn't gone out and bought the set themselves after only a few episodes. HBO really must be the only channel I know that sticks with a great show and allows the audience to catch on. Oh well, I suppose it's we the american audience's fault and not the suits upstairs. I propose a strike against reality tv programming. Any takers?

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Scrubs ain't long for this earth either

    by The Alienist

    Did you check out last weeks' ratings? I think it came in next to last before whatever is on UPN. Generally agreed this show and "Arrested Development" are the best sitcoms the nets have to offer and they'll be gone next season. And we can't blame the networks, people aren't watching them. I don't know why. There is of course the likability factor of the characters on "Arrested Development", people seem to need someone to root for, and by making Michael semi-devious/stupid this season they only have the wonderful George Michael to really take home with them. I honestly think this has more to do with a Nielson heavy sitcom than good writing and acting. A show has to have heart. Of course "Scrubs" has plenty of both so I just don't know what's going on.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 11:38 a.m. CST

    "American Dad" sucked -- and I like Family Guy

    by Jeditemple

    I'm a huge "Family Guy" fan, but I truly loathed the premier of "American Dad." It was utterly horrible and NOT funny. I have never watched "Arrested Development" but have heard rave reviews for it. It's a shame Fox is making such poor business decisions.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 11:45 a.m. CST

    I've never watched A.D.

    by casmcthorn

    But I have seen american dad or as I call it Family guy lite.Have the comedy 0% laughs.It is a horrible formulaic shitcom.I love family guy but I will watch family guy when I need a family guy fix not a shitty ripoff.Keep A.D going at least its original. I got the first season coming in netflix and I will probably like it and be pissed off at Faux for their continued efforts to bring around the TV apocalypse..

  • Okay, so the only other example is "In Living Color" (and technically, that's not a good example because the group was "Living Colour" but I digress), but "Arrested Development" is a great show. Think of all the laughs shows like South Park, Chappelle's Show, and Curb Your Enthusiasm earn. Now think of all the laughs AD earns without relying on profanity, shock value, and all those dirty cheap cable tricks. AD basically needs more love; people, start watching this show. I'm amazed that other shows, which shall remain nameless, get bigger ratings. But the public at large seems to love garbage, sheer garbage mind you; so it's up to us to support the shows we love. In closing, I offer this memoriam to beloved shows axed in the name of making room for garbage: The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr. --- Firefly --- American Gothic --- Space: Above and Beyond --- City of Angels --- and any other shows I may have missed. Peace out, stop hatin', and so forth.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Golden Globes

    by AshFett

    Herc, it's a bit difficult to mock the Golden Globes for giving Best Comedy to Desperate Housewives and try to lay any blame for what happens to Arrested Development on that fact when Jason Bateman also won Best Actor in a comedy at the very same Globes. Not to mention Arrested won the emmy in September for Best Comedy. Anyway, if Fox does cancel AD... FUCK THEM! That would just be so freaking sad. It's the funniest show I've seen in years and the fact that people aren't watching it in droves is just ridiculous.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 12:48 p.m. CST

    "I blue myself"

    by Trader Groucho 2

    Yeah, Arrested Development does go for the easy dirty joke sometimes. And your point is? This show and Scrubs, like Seinfeld and M*A*S*H before them, need a couple of seasons to truly find their rhythm. The same could also be said now of Veronica Mars, which, IMHO, while good, needs to keep more closely to its dark and snarky roots.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 12:51 p.m. CST

    If it's a scripted show, it won't last long.

    by mbaker

    I never watch 'Arrested Development' myself, (Looks kinda stupid to me) but this is clearly another example of Fox cancling a scripted show for more cheap 'reality' crap! Network TV is a joke right now! There are no scripted shows, or cartoons in sight anymore! It makes me fucking mad! Do these fuckers at Fox honestly think that people don't like scripted shows anymore? What a bunch of bullshit!!!

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 1:06 p.m. CST

    though the season got started with a bang...

    by I87D

    the last few episodes have been the lowest energy yet.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Lamest cancellation since Action!

    by wash

    Not to mention ARCTU. BASTARDS!

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Posted on the BG board already about this

    by ChorleyFM

    gonna post again at my utter dismay at this decision. A couple of points though, Scrubs has been given a fifth season (and is soon to be paired up with the American Office, which I a Brit actually loved quite a bit) and to mbaker the show isn't getting cancelled for 'reality' crap but for Family Guy rip off crap. I said it before but in the Fox press release they credited giving ADad Adev's slot due to its great pilot numbers, of course it got good numbers you cunitsh arseholes, it aired after the fucking Superbowl, one of Harry's superbowel movements would have got a similar number of viewers, now I only have one thing on Fox left to watch.

  • ... unfortunately, it's only a fantasy. I was encouraged when they moved AD to the spot after The Simpsons this year, but I also knew this: If it didn't get ratings there, it was dead. Fox was giving it a better timeslot and expected the ratings to be good. And, they're not. While I think Fox could be promoting the show better, the sad reality is that not enough people are watching it. We can thank every asshole in America who loves According to Jim and other trash. So sad. A truly brilliant show that gets funnier every single week.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 1:32 p.m. CST

    The show just wasn't funny.

    by jimmy_009

    I watched this after hearing about how fantastic it was from critics. Over the course of the entire show I didn't laugh a single time. Critics may like it, but that doesn't mean people will watch an unfunny show that thinks it's smarter than it really is.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 1:47 p.m. CST

    The AD ratings were in the toilet

    by MaxCalifornia.

    I hate to say it, because I like Arrested Development, but this was inevitable. Despite the critical acclaim, and Emmys/Golden Globes etc, the ratings were always crap. Recently Fox has been showing old Family Guy episodes on Sunday night, and those were scoring higher ratings than AD! When a four-year old episode of a (formerly) cancelled show beats it, you know it makes no sense from a business standpoint to keep it on the air. However, if Fox has indeed cancelled it, I'd be surprised if another network doesn't try to pick it up, WB perhaps. It's a freakin' Emmy winning show, that's gotta be worth something.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Why are you blaming FOX?

    by MaxCalifornia.

    Fox was the network that actually gave Arrested Development a chance in the first place! Didn't the other networks turn it down before them? It ain't Fox's fault - NOBODY IS WATCHING THE SHOW. They got Emmys, Golden Globes, The Simpsons as a lead-in, but it just isn't happening. AD is having a hard time beating UPN and WB in the ratings. I'd like to see Showtime or HBO pick it up actually, then we could have an unedited version, I get the feeling the writers want to make it darker and edgier than it really is but can't because of network restrictions...

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Say It Ain't So!!!

    by Kielbasa

    AD's the ONLY good half hour comedy on TV! Please don't take it away from me so one marginally talented guy can have TWO cartoons in prime time AND on Adult Swim. Dude, WTF? FOX, don't make me hate you more than I already do!

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by Eel O'Brian

    I don't blame FOX for AD - as much as I love the show, I realize the ratings are low for one reason only - no one's watching. FOX did promote the show, and a DVD set of Season One was released (cheap!) in the hopes of generating better ratings. What else can they really do? If no one's watching, no one's watching. And it's a hard show to get into if you've missed a few episodes. Oh, well, won't be the first time a show I liked got canned for bad ratings. On the other hand, I CAN and WILL blame Scrubs low ratings on NBC. They moved it from a decent slot on Thursdays (where it was starting to develop a decent following) to a hellhole 9:30 p.m. Tuesday slot behind "Father Of The Pride," and they also waste no opportunity to randomly preempt it for shit like "The Biggest Loser". It's almost as if they're TRYING to kill it.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 2:27 p.m. CST

    ...and what's up with the stupid voice-over?

    by jimmy_009

    Everything about this show just begs not to be watched. Not that Family Guy or American Dad (I guess the creator of those only had one idea in his head, and it wasn't all that good to begin with.)

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 2:29 p.m. CST


    by ultragoregrind

    arressted development really is one of the better programs on tv right now and it really would be a shame if they killed it. kinda like that other show.. you know, back in the day that simpsons guy did it... hilarious as all hell...</sarcasm>

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 2:29 p.m. CST

    NBC should totally get this...

    by chase232 would go perfectly with Scrubs, that would be an amazing hour of television. I would love nothing more for it to go on and on, sometimes its good when an amazing show gets cancelled early because then it never goes on too long and sucks, although it would have been nice to have a few more seasons if it were done (and a proper ending).

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 2:29 p.m. CST


    by TenderBranson don't know what else we can do. cross our fingers and hope another network picks it up?

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Where's the funny? No, seriously; I just never saw it.

    by Techtite

    I know this may sound harsh, but the truth is I

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 2:36 p.m. CST

    So what are people watching Sundays at 8:30?

    by jim

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the warning

    by Eternal Watcher

    I taped Kimmel last night, and I will watch that. Man, this has got to be upsetting for Jason Bateman, just two days before SNL. If AD and the Bluth saga is done, yet Point Pleasant is still on the air, let's hope HBO or some smart cable channel, gives the show a chance to at least wrap things up.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 2:43 p.m. CST

    You know what Fox needs?

    by mbaker

    The 'Bundys' for the new mellenium. A 'Bundy' like show that makes fun of the curent pop culture in an scathing, irreverent kind of way!

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 2:49 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU FOX!!! You killed FIREFLY, WONDERFALLS, and now THIS???


    Enough is enough. You'd think Fox would've learned from 24 and The X-Files (and Seinfeld, for that matter) that truly great, innovative shows need time to be nurtured so they can find and build an audience. Now they have the best, most critically-acclaimed comedy on television, and they're not even going to give it two full seasons? Bastards. Anyway, read my robo-rant at...

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Watch Bateman on Conan Tonight

    by DanielKurland

    Jason Bateman si on Conan tonight. Conan is also a huge fan of Arrested Development, which he has constantly made public. If the show is cancelled, Bateman will mention it tonight. Truly upsetting when FOX keeps shows like That '70s Show and Quintuplets which will never even be recognized for an Emmy, and ditch a show that won five of them in it's premiere season.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 3 p.m. CST


    by ChorleyFM

    Funny anecdotes, well from season one alone who have hot cops, daddy daughter work day, fonzie stealing every scene he was in, cut offs, 'daddy likes leather', Odenkirk and Cross together again, Dr. Funke's 100% Natural Good Time Family Band Solution. Now I think Seinfeld is the greatest TV show ever, but the first 22 episodes of Arrested were better than the first 22 (great but not yet brilliant) of Seinfeld.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Seinfeld Vs. Arrested

    by DanielKurland

    Given time, I believe that Arrested Development could surpass it. Seinfeld wasn't popular until season 3, and I knoe for a fact if Seinfeld debuted now, it would be cancelled, that's how terrible television has become. In other news, Arrested Development is going to give the anrrator his own plotline. How ridiculous/brilliant is that?

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 3:06 p.m. CST


    by ChorleyFM

    Could you post here recapping what Bateman has to say later, because I live outside the US so I can't watch Conan till its International repeats on CNBC if at all. Thanks, for the big news though. To others try and check out Kristen Vietch's column at Eonline tomorrow as she loves the show and she should mention something.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 3:08 p.m. CST

    First of all...

    by Childe Roland

    ...Techtite, if it's a joke you want, look in your pants. Not everything that's funny is a joke. Sometimes things are funny without needing someone to ask "And what's the deal with...?" You want an anecdote from the show? How about the horny sister who, despite loosely espoused anti-fur feelings, dons a big fur coat to impress an actor/hunting enthusiast with whom she wants to cheat on her husband? While they're out in the park cavorting, her husband comes running with a tranquilizer gun and shoots her in the ass, mistaking her for the wolf the newspapers have been reporting at large in the neighborhood. He wanted to shoot the wolf to prove his manhood to his wife, but the wolf people are hearing is really the wife's dad, escaped from prison and living in the attic of the family home, who howls when he's bored... which attracts a real wolf... but that's next week. If this doesn't seem funny to you, it's because you didn't watch the show. It loses something in the retelling, unlike the countless and annoying "I'm Rick James, Bitch!" parrot droppings you can gobble up at your local bar or water cooler. You didn't see all the plot threads set up and, therefore, didn't get the joy of watching the whole thing come together and then marvelously unravel. Does it prove you wrong? No. Does it prove you right? Absolutely not. About the only thing it does prove is that you have the attention span of a gnat and the sense of humor of a chimp. Here's one for you. Knock-knock! Poop! Isn't that classic? No? What if I rhymed it with a female body part?

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 3:19 p.m. CST


    by DanielKurland

    I'd be happy to recap what Bateman says. Not a problem, let's just hope it's good news, and these four lost episodes are somehow made up for.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 3:43 p.m. CST


    by fisher and sons

    this is such fucking bullshit, Arrested is the only quality show left on TV ever since The Simpsons decided not to be funny anymore

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 3:51 p.m. CST

    better not

    by smutpeddlar

    i'm sure seeing that i do not have a neilson box my opinion does'nt mean anything, but if this show gets cancelled, i will never watch fox again...not 24..not the superbowl...they could put, halle berry vs. jessica alba naked oil wrestling on every night..i will not watch..i will download it, but i will not watch it

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 3:59 p.m. CST

    The Network of Misfit Shows

    by The Gipper

    Just like in "Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer" there was the Island of Misfit Toys, there needs to be a Network of Misfit Shows for series like "Arrested Development." Think of all the great shows cancelled before they had a chance after only a season or two. I've seen a few of them posted here -- Brisco County, Jr., Space: Above & Beyond, John Doe, Miracles. Heck, even the original Battlestar Galactica only lasted one season. Just goes to show you that at least since the late '70s good shows have been canned by dumb network execs. I'm stilled pissed over the cancellation of "Emergency!" and "The Six Million Dollar Man".........

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Techite, here's your anecdote

    by DanielKurland

    In the episode "Pier Pressure", it is revealed that the way George Sr. taught his chidlren lessons was by having a one-armed man always getting ambushed, and losing his "second arm" as a result of the children's wrong deeds. For example, the kids are arguing in the car, the dad tells them to be quiet, and they hit the man, and he loses his arm. The gag is shown in several diffferent contexts and has hilarious effects. "Where is the guy that you used to teach us lessons?" "Oh, he died when you left the door open with the air conditioning on"

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 4:42 p.m. CST

    I am going to kill Fox...

    by halcyonseven

    I haven't bothered posting on AICN in a LONG time... but this has me motivated. I am furious about this! In hopes that someone from Fox will read these boards and say something to someone else there: Please do not do this. Look inside your greedy reality show, paris hilton-lovin, black as night hearts and do something right. Cancel simpsons, american dad, american idol! And keep this show running! Its the only thing on tv that is *consistantly* funny and intelligent! Please. Or else... something...or another...

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 4:55 p.m. CST

    "I made a huge mistake"....

    by viola123

    Yeah, that's what Fox is going to say if it decides to let go of "Arrested". I cannot believe they would even consider it. It's the best show on network right now. Ugh. At least if they do, I will only have to get one more DVD set. Whatever. I'm so upset!!

  • Using your example, if someone said Seinfeld wasn't funny, all the examples you give them would not make a difference. If they did not find it funny when they watched it, why would your out-of-context refrences make them change their mind? Arrested does not go for the catch phrases like Seinfeld did. The comedy in Seinfeld was broad and appealed to different people for different reasons. The humour in Arrested is much narrower. It is somewhat like British humour. Basically, it is what it is and doesn't try to be anything else to appeal to the masses. You don't find it funny. Obviously a lot of people don't find it funny. But it doesn't suck. It just isn't your kind of show.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?!?!?

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Someone on this board must have some idea about how networks (ie FOX) can get away with this. Obviously, they're the ones paying for the show but, what kind of recourse do the creators have when a network does this to a show that is obviously critically acclaimed, quality and is just underpromoted. I mean, this has the backing of Rob Howard and Brian Grazer for Christ's Sake!!! These guys are not slouches in the Hollywood community! FOX did it with Futurama though, created by one of the most powerful men in cartoons, Matt Groening. Can Arrested Development be taken to another network/studio? Will a letter-writing campaign actually work? I simply cannot believe that, after being name a "Future Classic" by TV Land, all the awards, the critical praise and the stellar scripts and acting that this show has shown that it would be cancelled after 2 seasons. I guarantee that American Dad (just because it has the same initials doesn't mean it's anywhere near as good!) won't last a season. FOX, are you listening?!?!?!?

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Fox = Idiots

    by Gorf

    If Fox is cancelling Arrested Development for a piece of shit show like American Dad, then they are complete retards who should be shot and pissed on. Gorf.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the feedback...mostly.

    by Techtite

    Thanks for remaining impartial, ChorleyFM, Jim, and Daniel; your posts remained objective and had some good points. They also did so without resorting to petty name calling. That said; thanks for enhancing a theory of mine, Childe. For every one or two impartial fans of this show there are at least a hundred fanboys who

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 5:59 p.m. CST


    by Childe Roland

    ...if you're not a moron, prove me wrong. What's that? Oh... I'm making a flawed arguement. Just like the asshole (you) who blustered into this talkback... all "bark" as you so cleverly put it... and made a ridiculous assertion that is impossible to objectively prove or disprove then backpedaled to save face when he got called on it. The Biggest Moron in America just called looking for you. He wants his style back. And talk about quoting overused punchlines... you had me at "D'oh!" Consider your intelligence once again insulted, jackass.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 6:24 p.m. CST


    by Mister Man

    Not cancelled

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Damn! Another show with some originality bites the dust...

    by Pan Demonium

    ...I guess if it was a show about a fat slob with an incongruously hot wife it would be a ratings winner... and Techtite, here is my favorite joke from the show: Job and Michael are discussing a boat called "The Seaward" when their mother enters the room. When one of the brothers suggests that they should get rid of "The Seaward", Mom looks visibly insulted and says she was just leaving........................... because she thought they were calling HER the "C-Word". (Get it?) It took me a second, but then I literaly did a spit-take on that one. Oh well, it was good while it lasted... Pan out.

  • I am so Fucking tired of this!!!! You get into a Show and then when things get good they pull the plug! WTF????? This shit has to Stop. How many kick ass shows have died young deaths? This Sucks.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 7:39 p.m. CST


    by Techtite


  • Feb. 10, 2005, 7:50 p.m. CST

    They should have put it on Thursdays to go up against Joey

    by cornstalkwalker

    Joey isn't funny and Arrested Development could end up being the next Seinfeld. Too many shows are on Sundays. I did think it would do better considering it was after the Simpsons.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 8:08 p.m. CST

    With that cast, Ron Howard producing, and lots of exterior shots

    by FrankDrebin

    so it would HAVE to get big ratings for Fox to keep it. On one of the "Family Guy" commentaries, Seth MacFarlane said that "FG" cost $1,000,000 per episode--and that's for a show with a no-name cast and cheapo animation.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 8:08 p.m. CST

    If it's cancelled, thank god

    by Silver Shamrock

    I wish the show would have been HALF as smart and funny as it thought it was.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Ahh, Techtite, but here's the rub...

    by Diskatopia

    Every funny bit has been done before. Everything. It's why so much "comedy" on TV seems to suck more and more as one gets older. The absolute freaking-brillance of the writing in Arrested Development is that the joke doesn't drop, stodgy and generic, out of the "blue" (we'll get back to this in a moment ;) ) as in nigh every other comedy thrown up by the Nets, but instead fits wicked-funny the characters and what is happening in their lives. Even when the AD writers do toilet humor (the now classic, "I blue myself"-- must be seen to be appreciated) they take it to a new levels of just-gawdamn-brilliance, and it isn't forced, like so much "comedy" on the tube these days seems to be. It's almost as if the writers write an hour-long and edit the bejesus out of it , it's that tight. That's one of the drawbacks for viewership-- it takes a few epsiodes to get the flow, which is tough to convince an audience to do. But, as an intelligent person who's probably seen obscene amounts of TV ;) , try sitting through just one episode of Damon Wayans' show, My Wife and Kids. Or CBS' Monday night generic dumbed-down sitcom block. Torture, yet the audience (I'm guessing mostly 12-14yos) does it, because it is unchallenging, they don't have to think. Which is, IMO, the way the current business models of the Networks are training people to think-- "just zone out, don't think-- oh yeah, and watch this commercial." If you've watched tv for more than 5-10 years, you've seen every joke, every beat, every unoffensive-to-anyone riff the generic sitcoms I mentioned will do. And unfortunately the Nets rely on this-- the shows seem... familiar, somehow. But that's Arrested Development's main problem-- while those other shows survive because they dumb it down, toe-the-line, feeding a fat lazy audience that's getting fatter and lazier (or being fattened for the slaughter-- but I digress), it's clear the AD folks are not going to do that. Neither did the "Action" folks. Or "The Lone Gunman" team. Or (insert genius show canned by Fox before it's time here). So it bodes not well for AD. Sure, we all know it's all about the money, but the way I see it is this-- Fox suits have to start thinking oustide the box. If Fox is smart, they'll build a subscription cable channel for folks that like their TV straight up, not watered-down. This is targetting only a part of the "total possible audience", but it IS the future-- targetting exact viewers, markets and advertisers, like Sci-Fi Channel, or Turner Classic Movies, or The Cartoon Network,or G4TV-- if they have enough of a market, if they make a profit, they survive. It can be done. Just not in a main network setting, because making just a small profit in that setting is NEVER enough... it's all about destroying the other Networks. So what am I trying to say in this ramble? Well, maybe that the sad fact is that the Nets are generally going after the lowest-common-denominator at this time to get max ratings, and the scary fact is that their IS no lowest-common-denominator, it's just a bottomless pit. ........Man, I need a drink now.

  • Go to the gaddman FOX A.D site and read the special notice. How fucking hard is that?

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Everything I watch always gets cancelled in favor of............

    by BoyNamedSue

    What's next? 24?

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Everyone!! Buy Season One DVDs!

    by boomstick81

    I mean, even if you already own it buy it as a present for someone or everyone. Valentine's Day Present. Arrested Development. President's Day. Arrested Development. Birthday. Arrested Development. If the DVDs do well, then FOX will be more likely to keep the show. Hey, it's one reason they've kept 24 and why Family Guy has returned from the grave. Buy that DVD.....

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 9:16 p.m. CST

    After a drink (and checking on Fox's AD site), I feel better.

    by Diskatopia

    The boards there seem to indicate that Fox suits are claiming it's not cancelled... yet. Assuming the suits are not liars... . Some posters are claiming that such statements by the suits are a smoke screen to keep folks watching til the end of the show's order, when they will supposedly officially drop it. The thing to watch with Fox is the fact that since they are "year-round" and don't have one set season (start in fall-end in Spring rerun summer) anymore, the schedule waters are cloudy. Let's hope it's blue dye off of Tobias, swimming away from the cancellation shark.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Soory, mis-wrote, wasn't Fox's

    by Diskatopia

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Sorry, one drink and I'm gone, anyway here issomething from Fox

    by Diskatopia

    "Dear Arrested Development Fans: Thank you for your e-mail and your passionate support of Arrested Development. While the show has finished production for its second season, contrary to the rumors you may have heard or read on the internet, it is NOT cancelled. We at FOX love Arrested Development and we look forward to having the Bluth family back on FOX in the future

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Give it up already, No one I know watches this Show, I tried, Fo

    by MentallyMariah

    there are too many fucking things on TV trying to compete, You could only watch so many, it gets overwhelming, I did try to catch a few episodes of A D but my A D D took over and I gave up!

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Job = damn funny, "Come one!!!"

    by JanakinMOFO

    My favorite joke(s) from AD is during the episode Job starts wearing his father's suits, and each time he tells an anecdote about it they get more expensive. Example, "maybe the guy in the $4,000 suit should pour the coffee...COME ON!!!" I've watched that episode 4 times. AD is just so full of great characters. All of them are different and the way they interact with each other due to the directing and stories is just damn, damn funny. Plus, they seem to enjoy playing their characters. Come on!!!

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Undeclared, The Tick, Andy Richter, Wonderfalls, Firefly

    by Gheorghe Zamfir


  • Feb. 10, 2005, 11:16 p.m. CST

    genro's right about that one...

    by Kielbasa

    But can you really trust fox anyway, and can you blame people for unleashing upon fox--that's a keg just waiting to get tapped.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 11:26 p.m. CST

    the karmic backlash generated a shit show like "american dad" re

    by atomheartbrother

    agitate many gastrointestinal tracts and produce extreme meterological activity aimed at red states. don't say i didn't warn you. but seriously, it's shit like this (FIREFLY! WONDERFALLS! BRISCO COUNTY!) that just breaks my heart.

  • Feb. 10, 2005, 11:28 p.m. CST

    GOOD!! It will make me stop watching FOX alltogether!

    by TallScott

    What shitty news! AD is a show on par with the classics..I hope another network picks it up. But then when they cancel AD that mean I wont have to ever watch FOX again. They can keep those half assed reality shows, the two talentless tramps who make my TV bleed, and 24, Simpsons, King of the Hill, American Idol have all jumped the shark..Goodbye FOX you choked on your own shit and let go of anything that looked like quality..Fuckers

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Fox, you've got to cancel...

    by Drunken Fugitive

    a few more good shows before you catch the WB. <DF>

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 2:13 a.m. CST

    their message on the site is nice and all, but I'm still worried

    by George Newman

    This is the Only only only good sitcom on network tv.

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Wait, Scrubs is spectacular too

    by George Newman

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 5:06 a.m. CST


    by Cablecasual

    One of the few imported American sitcoms that is true genius. BBC were showing it over here, but started to bounce it round the schedule and I lost touch. And yet we get Joey on primetime and endless Friends/Sex in the City repeats. Somthing original and truly funny comes along (and trust me, I am not a fan of Yank sitcoms at all) and what happens. Cancelled!

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Only comedy I watch anymore

    by theBigE

    "Arrested Development" is literally the only half hour show that I watch anymore! I stopped watching the Simpsons two years ago, but I tape (no TiVo) AD every week.

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 9:09 a.m. CST


    by Dagtastic

    Arrested is one the best comedies on television!!! American Dad blows. Borring un-funny s@!#.

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Show saving efforts

    by Gleebo

    If this happens it will quite possibly be the most ridiculous cancellation of a television show ever. Sure the original Star Trek was arguably the biggest of all time but look at the lasting impression even those few seasons of episodes have left on the television world following it. There have been a great amount of shows canned before their time(Angel, Dark Angel, Firefly, Wonderfalls, ARCTU, and Futurama) but none of these were as critically acclaimed as Arrested has been. Not even close. I know im very much overestimating and dont have numbers to back it up but it seems like 98% of the reviews have been overwhelmingly positive. In a first year it wins the biggest award possible for a comedy show against long running veteran shows. Not only one Emmy win...5 of the fuckers! You would need a flatbed to haul the trophies around that this show has won. But the way FOX is if you can't melt down the trophies and remold them into viewers and money they dont fucking care. I know that money is a huge factor in the business but how can they not see the potential financial gain from this show in the future after the overwhelming support it has recieved from its die hard fan base and the critics as well. These days people more often than not wait for DVDs or just TiVo it because of how much easier it is than to remember the time and day that a show is on. The Nielsen ratings are flawed beyond measurement in this day and age....networks need to figure out a more accurate way to gauge how many viewers are seeing the ads in their shows. I hope that this announcement of an episode reduction is FOX's way of putting out there the fact that the show needs more viewers or it is toast. And again right there the flawed logic comes into play with that belief by FOX. People are gonna stay away from this show rather than watch if they know it is ultimately doomed. There are tons of ways to help this show. The best ones are on this site. We all know online petitions are a joke and possibly has the equivalent of negative credibility but that is one of many ideas the fans of this show has to save it. Dont get upset when you find out that raising money for a campaign is one of the ideas. It is because of the one thing that FOX does understand and never wavers from...MONEY. I think whatever you can do to help the cause this way is more than worth it to miss a couple trips to Best Buy or a fast food drive through if it means helping out the future of television in general. Almost anyway you look at it your money would be a fight against crap and a show of support for quality. Or if you dont feel like making a donation is a good idea feel fre to just write those lovely people over at FOX and ask them kindly to keep the show on the air. Your children and your children's children will possibly thank you for it when they are 'seen and not heard'. The Lovely and Talented Gail Berman President of Entertainment FOX Broadcasting 10201 West Pico Blvd., Blg.100, Rm.4450 Los Angeles, CA 90064-2606 or: Gail Berman Fox Broadcasting Entertainment President Fox Headquarters 10201 West Pico Blvd Los Angeles CA 90035 or: Gail Berman, President Fox Broadcasting Company P.O. Box 900 Beverly Hills, California 90213 E-mail: Extension: 237626 (This "extension" was in LincolnHat's original post -- but in reality, it's just 'BERMAN' spelled out. Fox's automated system lets you spell out people's last names.) Mr. Gary Newman and Ms. Dana Walden Twentieth Century Fox Television 10201 West Pico Blvd Building 88, Room 29 Los Angeles, CA 90035 Talk FOX Off Fox Viewer Comment Hotline: 1-800-369-6848 Fox Viewer Comment Voicemail: 310-369-3066 Another email you may wish to consider writing to is This email address is read by staffers who then put together statistics for the programmers.

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Again, chill

    by Mister Man

    Not cancelled

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Arrested Development belongs on HBO

    by Mr. Profit

    Not FOX. An evil station that doesn't even try to pump the show up by pairing it with a proper lead in and giving it a shot. It's up against a Juggernaut on Sunday's as well.

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 9:59 a.m. CST

    What other night? What other network?

    by savagexp

    Sunday night on Fox is the only place for this show. The only other "comedy" night that Fox has is Wednesday, but to put the show up against LOST and ALIAS would certainly put an end to the series. No other network can afford to be as daring with their comedies. Can you honestly tell me you could picture CBS, NBC, or ABC airing AD? No way. The Best Case Scenario would probably be for Comedy Central or HBO to pick it up. What I really hope happens is that Fox realizes what a horrible show American Dad is (I love Family Guy, but American Dad is simply too much of the same) and they bring back Arrested.

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 11:13 a.m. CST

    I'm quite calm...

    by Childe Roland

    ...Techtite, and actually in very good spirits. You really just need to take another stab at the whole "reading for comprehension" thing. If you do, you'll see in all of my posts that the insults are light-hearted and whimsical (surely an expert on humor such as yourself can appreciate that) and that my attacks are on the ludicrous nature of your initial challenge to "PROVE me wrong!" That was not only an asshole thing to type, it was foolish. It was the sort of blowhard bravado one expects from a first-year college student who's had a day or two of Logic 101 but hasn't quite figured out what a fallacy is yet. To imagine, even for an instant, that one can PROVE a thing to be funny when humor is so obviously subjective is, for lack of a more dead-on-balls-accurate term, moronic. And the fact that you popped into this talkback to so gleefully pronounce a show unfunny and deservedly cancelled when you clearly don't watch said show is another mark of stupidity. You came to troll and I decided to give you the attention you so desperately wanted. But instead of playing your game the way you wanted, I provided you with a perfectly good example of why you might find the show in question unfunny (i.e. you don't watch). Instead of proving you wrong, I proved your argument worthless and stupid. It's a much quicker and more efficient way of dismissing your completely irrelevant opinion on something you have no real knowledge of and probably don't care much about, don't you agree? Sorry if my method was a little harsh for you, but you have to grow up some time. Do come back and try to paint yourself the walker of the intellectual high road again, if you like. I don't mind continuing to make you look like the ass you are. Really.

  • Seriously, I can't think of what else is on Sundays at 8:30. Also, does anyone know of a website that gives tv ratings for specific dates and times?

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 11:42 a.m. CST

    It's Gob, not Job

    by theBigE

    Not that I'm a nitpicker, but the name of the character is GOB, short for George Oscar Bluth. Love his character, as well as Tobias and Buster.

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Sunday's at 8:30? I swore it was on at 9 against Desperate House

    by Mr. Profit

    When did Fox move the show again? Football on Sunday's really messes with Fox's schedule.

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I think it'll be on next year

    by ghj

    Jason Bateman didn't say anything about the show being cancelled last night on Conan. He was talking about possible future storylines involving his sister Justine. And Conan vowed to use his massive power to bring the show an audience.

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Don't hate on MALCOLM!

    by vinylsaurus

    It's a very funny show too. Now that I've kissed your ass, FOX -- don't cancel ARRESTED, and put ANDY RICHTER on DVD, you fuckers!

  • Feb. 11, 2005, 7:33 p.m. CST

    "To the nuts!"

    by Diskatopia

    Had me laughing 'til I cried, and that was just a few seconds out of an upcoming scene.

  • Feb. 12, 2005, 2:45 a.m. CST

    American Dad was a funny cartoon you morons!

    by Mr Brownstone


  • Feb. 12, 2005, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Well SCRUBS is going because it hasn't been any good since its p

    by quantum_ken

  • Feb. 12, 2005, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Upcoming Arrested News

    by DanielKurland

    Tomorrow's episode with Martin Short is supposedly one of the funniest yet. Then the following two weeks are repeats (on the 20th a Simpsons re-run occupies the slot, why not air an Arrested re-run?), but on March 6th, they are airing two new episodes, which feature Julia Louis-Dreyfus' character returning.

  • Feb. 12, 2005, 11:44 a.m. CST

    daniel kurland and the one-armed man

    by Lou C.

    THANK YOU! When i first saw that episode, i rewound it three times to watch that scene again. it was such a subtle line and it was hilarious. Combine that with, "Look, it's the police ... and a construction worker ..." and you have one of the funniest half-hours EVER. I'm not going to mock techite and anyone else who doesn't think this show is funny, because it's pointless. i don't think he's stupid because he doesn't love the show like i do. i will say that i think AD suffers because it dares to be different. most people (and i don't dare to pretend this is techite's reason; i don't know you at all) i think don't like it because it doesn't fit into the pre-programmed sitcom world that's been created. every sitcom has the same pattern, the same tired situations. shows like AD, scrubs, Andy Richter Controls the Universe, Sports Night, they all dared to be different and i think it seems odd to some people. We are so used to being told when to laugh in a sitcom that, when it's not there, we don't know how to react. I'm just frustrated that people can't see the brilliance of this show. I also think it's sad that Andy Richter helps create an absolutely original and hysterical sitcom, it fails and he goes on to do Quintuplets. Ugh. Hopefully, the cast of AD won't fall into this trap. I know David Cross won't. Holy crap was he bitter on Jimmy Kimmel the other night.

  • Feb. 12, 2005, 2:48 p.m. CST

    It takes very little to start the Chicken Little Effect in here

    by Mister Man

    "But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don't they?"

  • Feb. 12, 2005, 11:39 p.m. CST


    by Craiggers

    Once again, we have all decided that American Dad is horrible after the FIRST EPISODE! Come on people! Not everyone starts with a bang! Damn. And you people bitch when Fox unplugs Firefly or Wonderfalls before their seasons are up.

  • Feb. 13, 2005, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Dogapeandman: I concur

    by Recognizer,1002,271|93505|1|,00.html There seems to be a whole story about THIS story, and in that story they mention that it's not "cancelled". It *could* still be an 18-ep season, but apparently they're holding out hope. Hopefully we'll be able to convert more people to it, though.

  • Feb. 13, 2005, 2:47 p.m. CST

    even MONKEY hates Arrested Development

    by teedadawg

    LOL Chimp took a swipe at Jason Bateman at end of SNL last night. To his credit, he laughed it off but the chimp went APESHIT! Link:

  • Feb. 13, 2005, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Techtite is right, arrested blows

    by Dr Farragammo

    I am the biggest David Cross fan on the planet. Loved Jeffrey Tambor in Larry Sanders. Always thought Jason Bateman deserved a comeback. SUPER-excited when this show came on. Tuned in:didn't laugh. Watched 6 more episodes knowing it would get funnier. It never did. I am so tired of shows like arrested and scrubs that are full of "quiet" comedy and never go for the big laughs. You CAN be subtle and funny, just look at MONK. But if Arrested gets cancelled that just means David Cross can move on to a vehicle better suited for his talents. Works for me.

  • Feb. 21, 2005, 6 p.m. CST


    by Uncle Stan