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UPN Cancels ENTERPRISE!!!!

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TrekToday.com has sources blaming Viacom TV uberchieftan Les Moonves. Will Julie Chen will still want to have sex with him? Non-Chen details available here.

"Les Moonves came out and didn't see his shadow, so there won't be three more seasons of Enterprise," a high-ranking show insider told Ain't It Cool shortly after the Groundhog Day announcement.

"All of us at Paramount warmly bid goodbye to Enterprise, and we all look forward to a new chapter of this enduring franchise in the future," said Paramount Network Television president David Stapf.

The whole press release:

UPN and Paramount Network Television have jointly announced that this will be the final season of Star Trek: Enterprise on UPN. [Production will continue until the end of this season, which will finish shooting in March.] The series finale will air on Friday, May 13, 2005.

"Star Trek has been an important part of UPN's history, and Enterprise has carried on the tradition of its predecessors with great distinction," said Dawn Ostroff, President, Entertainment, UPN. "We'd like to thank Rick Berman, Brannon Braga and an incredibly talented cast for creating an engaging, new dimension to the Star Trek universe on UPN, and we look forward to working with them, and our partners at Paramount Network Television, on a send-off that salutes its contributions to The Network and satisfies its loyal viewers."

David Stapf, President of Paramount Network Television, said, "The creators, stars and crew of Star Trek: Enterprise ambitiously and proudly upheld the fine traditions of the Star Trek franchise. We are grateful for their contributions to the legacy of Trek and commend them on completing nearly 100 exciting, dramatic and visually stunning episodes. All of us at Paramount warmly bid goodbye to Enterprise, and we all look forward to a new chapter of this enduring franchise in the future."

A prequel to the original "Star Trek" series, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE premiered on UPN on Sept. 26, 2001, and aired for its first three seasons on Wednesdays (8:00-9:00PM, ET/PT). On Oct. 8, 2004, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE moved into its current time on Fridays (8:00-9:00PM, ET/PT). Through its four-year run, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE produced a total of 98 episodes and earned four Emmy Awards.

Let's hope that when "Star Trek" comes back, the Reeves-Stevenses are listed as its showrunners. And they'll get somebody as great as Shatner to captain.

In the meantime, someone take away “cutestofborg’s” belt and shoelaces.





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  • Feb. 2, 2005, 3:56 p.m. CST

    It's official...STAR TREK is dead.

    by SpyGuy

    Thanks to Rick Berman and Brannon Braga for killing the STAR TREK franchise with their total incompetence...

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Whoo hoo

    by richard1025

    Thank god for that

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:03 p.m. CST

    any surprise?

    by Spice-Orange

    its about time. for being a "science fiction" show, there was sure a lot of lame human emotional drama in lame gray rooms that all looked the same.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:04 p.m. CST

    sad day... but also a wake up call

    by darth sars

    i'm too young to have appreciated the original ST series, but have fond memories of TNG and DS9. they really need to rethink the direction of this entire franchise... Nemesis was a good indicator of just how shittay things have gotten.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:06 p.m. CST

    bout time

    by runlola

    i'm soory, but a show can only go so long before it needs to be cancelled.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Screw all y'all.

    by Htown

    richard1025 and Spice-Orange in particular, I mean, and anyone else who posts to celebrate. How would you like it if someone celebrated when YOUR favorite show went off the air? This is a sad day, and it's especially sad that this news comes in the midst of what is so far shaping up to be the show's best, most consistent season. RIP Enterprise, and Screw You UPN.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Time to switch BSG to the 8 o clock slot.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Some day, perhaps, Trek can return. It needs at least a 5 year layoff though.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Not a big surprise they cancelled it

    by jim

    Whatever improvements they made to the show this season were nullified by its move to Friday nights. I'm sure the viewers gained by the improvements were far below the number of viewers lost due to the move. I don't think the show had a hope in hades to improve its ratings.

  • Season 4's been rockin, hard. Someone tell me why first run syndication is a bad idea? (still in denial, trying to bring it back)

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Finally

    by Waterson

    This thing has been on life support for a long time now. It's time for a break for the franchise, about five years or so. Bring something fresh back afterward.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:10 p.m. CST

    I'm hardly surprised

    by Canyda

    Enterprise had tons of potential to flesh out the backstories of the Star Trek universe and they just plain screwed it up by introducing so many new elements that had never been seen before like the Temporal War, or whatever that was called. I tried to like Enterprise but it just couldn't hold my interest.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:10 p.m. CST

    The natural conclusion

    by Phimseto

    Star Trek's durability was not just in its commitment to quality, but in its respect of its heritage and in-universe storyline. After Roddenberry died, that respect was whittled away bit by bit, right up to this whole Babel redo where the Romulans show up, completely contradicting their appearance in the original series. The series needs more than a rest period. It needs new stewardship.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Take the franchise away from those mongoloids!

    by Funk4America

    They took what was great about Star Trek away and left a stream of turds. It started going downhill on Deep Space Nine, got God Awful on Voyager, and ri-god damn-diculous on Enturdprise. Give it to Shatner and Nimoy or somebody Anybody but the fucking annointed retards.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:13 p.m. CST

    by richard1025

    Im a star trek fan - watch them all. But Enterprise. Jesus that numbed my brain. Shitty plots, shitty acting (I mean its the dude from Quantum Leap who acted a lot better in that). Thank god its dead. Battlestar Galactica is one of the best sci fi, damn, best shows I've ever seen. Bet Ron Moore has a sly smile on his face when he hears about this. I mean this show was like having an old pet, that you know needs to be put down due to a malignant disease called B & B syndrome.

  • Its not as if Kirk's crew didn't know about Romulans, they knew tons about them and even fought a war with them. They just never saw them face to face. So far, Enterprise has followed that. One thing that bugged me was when people say Ent is bashing continuity when, for the most part, they play it right.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Star Trek is Dead... Love Live Doctor Who!!

    by Media_Gold

    It's ironic... Repeats of STTNG killed an already dying Doctor Who in the late 80's, and now Star Trek is suffering from Cosmic Cancer while Doctor Who is starting a new, big budget series in a few weeks! Revenge is sweet!

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:16 p.m. CST

    3 more seasons in syndication

    by KazamaSmokers

    I have no doubt Enterprise could make a go of it in syndication.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:17 p.m. CST

    I'll miss the decontamination room the most.

    by HanFiredFirst

    No more T'Pol in her undies being rubbed all over...(sniff) .... live long and prosper.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Er Long Live, that is...

    by Media_Gold

    Sorry 'bout that.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:26 p.m. CST

    by MikBones

    As a sci-fi fan I am also sorry to see a year without new Star trek episodes. However, I started to lose intrest in Enterprise during the last season, forcing myself to watch the last few episodes just because I don't like to miss any star trek. this season though, I just plain lost interest. it is too formulic and stuck in its ways. Thank god Battlestar Galactica was give the chance of being intelligent and getting me exicited about sci-Fi again. My one regret is that we still may not see a trek series about excelsior and that associated time frame. The first six movies rocked, and Sulu could have taken the whole thing further. as another poster pointed out, all series ends or gets cancelled. Lets hope that the next trek series is given the intelligence of galactica, and a bunch of characters that we can really care about. For the record, I loved TNG, DS9 and Voyager.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:26 p.m. CST

    A sad day, but an inevitable one.

    by MikBones

    As a sci-fi fan I am also sorry to see a year without new Star trek episodes. However, I started to lose intrest in Enterprise during the last season, forcing myself to watch the last few episodes just because I don't like to miss any star trek. this season though, I just plain lost interest. it is too formulic and stuck in its ways. Thank god Battlestar Galactica was give the chance of being intelligent and getting me exicited about sci-Fi again. My one regret is that we still may not see a trek series about excelsior and that associated time frame. The first six movies rocked, and Sulu could have taken the whole thing further. as another poster pointed out, all series ends or gets cancelled. Lets hope that the next trek series is given the intelligence of galactica, and a bunch of characters that we can really care about. For the record, I loved TNG, DS9 and Voyager.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Shame, actually...

    by RenoNevada2000

    Trek has been so gawdawful the past ten years or so that I haven't been a regular viewer since the first season of DS9. DS9 attempted to play catch up with BABYLON 5 while VOYAGER was GILLIGAN'S ISLAND IN SPACE.ENTERPRISE wasn't worth watching either, until they brought in Manny Cotto this season who really energized things (no pun intended). I, after a decade of indefference, was back to watching STAR TREK, which was no mean feat. Good call UPN. Makes more room in the schedule for some wacky urban comedies... Idiots.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:41 p.m. CST

    post LOTR sci-fi? 3 hour movies of people walking and homosexua

    by Tall_Boy

    Oh. Joy.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:43 p.m. CST

    i just started

    by smutpeddlar

    i just started watching this, i like it..oh well, its time for this show to go into the future about 200 years after tng

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:44 p.m. CST

    More sad news- Phillip DeGuerre has passed away

    by RenoNevada2000

    Creator of SIMON AND SIMON, WHIZ KIDS and some other 80s shows, Exec Produced MAX HEADROOM. RIP

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Decent Actors, Good characters

    by JAGUART

    Shitty Stories. That whole Xindi/ Time Travel crap was just way out there. They would've had better luck fleshing out the existing Trek Universe rather than going off on some stupid tangent.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Star Trek was never meant for Network TV

    by CaptGarfield

    I truly think that Network TV was the worst thing that could have happened to Star Trek. It ruined the ability to be creative. Suddenly a show that had freedom in syndication, was strangled by network execs that didn't know what ST was about. DS9 was my personal favorite and it never would have been as rich and diverse if a network was calling the shots.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5 p.m. CST

    Why didn't they learn from other genre shows?

    by Mecandes

    I just don't understand why, when things were obviously not working on Enterprise, they didn't look at other genre shows, like Smallville, or Buffy, or 24, or Lost -- I mean these shows are successful (whether you personally like them or not) because they are faster paced, and far less predictable. They aren't afraid to make fans a little uneasy with startling changes in direction... They aren't afraid to kill off a character if it advances the plot and keeps things interesting and unpredictable. Good riddance, is all I can say. Lets forget Star Trek, and bring back the honestly good shows: Babylon 5 (just needs more budget!), Firefly, etc.!Maybe this will allow room for another, GOOD, sci-fi show to step in and get it right... please God.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:03 p.m. CST

    A sad day, but meant to be...

    by experimation

    I've never been an avid fan of Enterprise, not like I was of the other series. It was just...different. I didn't really start watching it until this season, when I knew that it was in better hands, thanks to Manny Coto. And yes, it's been a good season. But the damage was done. Maybe it'll be a good thing for the Star Trek franchise; to have a break. I just don't hope we have to wait too long.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:04 p.m. CST

    No more crappy theme song

    by Mr_Furious

    Does this mean Kenny Loggins will no longer receive royalty checks from the theme song? www.theletterd.blogspot.com

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:07 p.m. CST

    How many shows...

    by GrumpyCal

    ...get cancelled during their best seasons? Enterprise certainly isn't the first. If the Paramount exec's are watching then consider this: THIS SHOW WAS DEAD BY THE END OF SEASON 2 AND IT'S BERMAN/BRAGGA'S FAULT. Season 3 was an improvement but lacked any narrative edge. The new direction taken by Cotto was a breath of fresh air - had the first couple of seasons commenced with this sort of quality then there would be no doubt about a 7 year run minimum.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Herc - read yesterday's talkback on the last enterprise news you

    by Trader Groucho 2

    Not that i'm bragging or anything

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Just when it was hitting its stride. How typical of the suits a

    by Rolling_Stone

    UPN assholes!

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Wonderful news!

    by Bart of Darkness

    Kirk can finally stop spinning in his grave! I've watched Star Trek in one form or another for over 30 years and always loved the show. Until "Voyager" became the "Seven of Nine" show that is, and "Enterbore" appeared on our screens. I'd like to say, using some of Kirk's last words, that "it was fun". Sadly, it wasn't. It was lame, soporific and profoundly disrespectful to the original series (how could it be otherwise, it was made by people who have shown utter contempt for real Star Trek). To those who have defended this worthless waste of airtime and electricity I say watch "Battlestar Galactica" (I've seen every episode in the UK and if you thought "Enterbore" was good, you're going to realise just how bad it really was when you see a show with REAL imagination, interesting characters and a proper story arc). To close, I'd like to offer this epitaph in the style of the Great Man himself: "Of all the incarnations of "Stat Trek" I have encountered on my travels, this was the most utterly worthless and deserving of cancellation". Now let's party like it's 2199!

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:12 p.m. CST

    The Franchise Needs a Break

    by the G-man

    There was nearly a 20 year gap between TOS and TNG. This gave the writers two decades of new ideas, new social issues, etc., to play with. Since TNG, however, a version of Trek (or two) has run more or less constantly since 1988, effectively meaning that ST has been running for over 15 years. No concept can sustain quality for that long and the creaks of trying to do so are showing. Time for at least a five year moratorium on a new Trek series.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Yes. The MOST IMPORTANT thing for Trek now is

    by scrumdiddly

    definitely for it to die, at least for a while. It can't be reborn unless it dies. That is absolutely vital. My stomach churns though, are they really going to do that?

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Wasn't this a given already?

    by Big Bad Clone

    And I liked the original theme for this show until they sped it up. Now UPN has more room for sub One on One style sitcoms.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:17 p.m. CST

    No Story

    by cryptmagic

    In Babylon 5 there was an arc and a story. Some episodes strayed away from it, but was good. DS-9 was ok, it was interesting and people had some story. Enterprise was just plain awefull the first couple seasons. I mean the people were dull, and they would put sexy scenes in there not because they fit in but because they needed sex in the formula. The show needs to get whedon or JMS to work on a new series that stays in the trek universe but more entertaining.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:26 p.m. CST

    voicebox5 - hear hear! AICN's coaxials are way too biased...

    by scrumdiddly

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Why must five years pass before the next series?

    by cookylamoo

    Why not dump B&B, hire someone who knows something about science fiction and get started on it now. Do a show about the Federation Marines or do something like Firefly in the Trek universe. Do Peter David's series. Out with the old and in with the new. Get on it. Anyway now the WB can get on with their modern day versions of Amos and Andy.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:39 p.m. CST

    roddenbury pitched the original series as "wagon train in space"

    by dr.bulber

    talk about ur left wing literals

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:52 p.m. CST

    by cryptmagic

    Look at Battle Star Galactica, and Both Star Gates. They have well round characters with real struggles, and its lively. It had no point, or meaning, if they wanted to show us how earth began they didnt need to have the temporal war. All they had to do was do what they did this season. Also a vulcan human love relationship is the same as voyager when a klingon and human married. The characters are a bunch of pansies.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:52 p.m. CST

    fuck enterprise

    by VatoLoco

    yeah that's right

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:53 p.m. CST

    this is a good thing!

    by Hjermsted

    Enterprise was drab and humorless. There was no real tension in the series. The main characters were always alive at the end. The writers were not allowed to take real risks. *** IS THERE A "KEEP THIS SHOW OFF THE AIR" WRITE IN CAMPAIGN? I HOPE SO !*** mattro

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Brannon and Braga

    by williammunny

    Ok, I'll admit upfront, I've never watched more than a couple of episodes of Enterprise. I've been in Grad school for the entire time its been on, and just never had time (for the last two years I've been in England without a TV). I am a huge fan of real Star Trek, that is Shatner era Star Trek. I watched the first few seasons of TNG, but then it started to suck. After Roddenberry died, it was very clear that the people running the show were just paying lip service to his vision. They had no real respect for the old show. This was apparent in the handling of Generations. They effectively wouldn't pay to have Nimoy and Deforest Kelly in the movie, and I think that its pretty much universally agreed that Kirk's death was handled very very badly (A lot of people would agree that it was basically handled in a way that was more or less a "fuck you" to the original series.) I thought that the concept of Enterprise was good. A way of doing something different, but also very interesting. It was, or should have been, inherently tied to the original series. But in the little I've seen of it, and what I've read about it, they basically continued a policy of ignoring the original series. I think that like Star War, fan ideas of what the show should be are actually more interesting than the real show. I don't think that Star Trek needs a hiatus. It needs people that respect the concept of the original, understand how to do a show with interesting characters and relationships without turning it into the OC in space, and that care about issues. Good science fiction is a reflection of whats going on now, the issues that matter to us now. There is plenty of stuff going on in the world, in terms of politics, science, computers, bio-ethics, to make interesting shows. Btannon and Braga chose not to pay attention. Instead they wrapped everything up in techno babble, and lost track of the basis of what the show should be. Nothing can be fixed if they are a part of it. Fire them, hang them, banish them, whatever you want to call it, and get in new people. You don't have to be blindly beholden to the past, but if you have respect for what's gone before, and an eye to whats important now, you can do good stuff with this show. The shame of it is now that B&B have rooned it, if there is another Star Trek it will be a completely different show. This was a good concept it was just ruined by greedy talentless hacks.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Not a surprise really....

    by Gabba-UK

    After 13 kick ass episodes of Ron Moore's version of BSG, Star Trek has lost it's appeal. Still a huge fan of Trek I have to say BUT... like any good farmer will tell you, you have to leave a field fallow every few years for it to get its soil quality back to the right level. We will get more Trek I'm sure in the future. But not for at least 5-7 years and hopefully not with Bergman in charge. Maybe Frakes, he might've screwed up Thunderbirds, but First Contact is still the one of the of the films. Second only to Kahn in my opinion...

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Sulu and Chekov

    by sundancekeed

    ...on the Excelsior would be a great show. You could work in the original cast from time to time and with all the time travelling Trek was famous for, you could even hook up with TNG's gang occasionally. However I'm in agreement with new blood being needed in production and writing. TNG was pretty much treading water after the fourth season and DS9, Voyager and this latest abortion weren't fit to be called Star Trek. Getting back on the Excelsior with Sulu would put Star Trek back where it always should have been--On the deck of a Federation Starship engaged in exploration and the conflicts and situations that arise from that scenario.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Babylon 5 & JMS

    by tensticks

    I agree with the general sentiment that Trek needs to go on an indefinite hiatus and when it comes back, it needs to be anyone BUT Berman and Braga in charge. Those guys just need to go away. The new BSG is amazing but so was the old one--and even THAT one was better than all post-TNG Trek. As for what JMS is doing....get ready for the BABYLON 5 theatrical movie...THE MEMORY OF SHADOWS...begins shooting this year. :) So he'll be busy. Though I'd be interested to see what he'd do in the Trek universe....

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:07 p.m. CST

    More time for Galactica...

    by Kentucky Colonel

    I get more of a warm and fuzzy feeling watching nearly 40 year old "reruns" (on DVD, noless) than brand new Trek. That just frees up more time for good Friday night viewing, like 45 year old rerund of Twilight Zone, Buck Rogers spandex-fests, and maybe some episodes of Batman TAS on my brand new second box set. God I love TiVo, DVD's and I fucking HATE Berman & Bragga (whatever their names might actually be). Let Trek lie dormant for 5 years...PUH-LEESE!

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:09 p.m. CST

    I'm shocked it lasted this long. A show that takes four years t

    by minderbinder

    And this was actually someone's favorite show? Wow, I don't even know what to say.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:11 p.m. CST

    UPN

    by Gorf

    It really says something about how few people watched this show if UPN, a network with no good shows and horrible ratings, is willing to cancel it.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:13 p.m. CST

    A Sad Day

    by Real Deal

    Well this will be the first time without new Star Trek anywhere since 1979. The first time without new Star Trek on TV since 1987. I remember the last time between TOS and STMP. I really thought it was gone for good. I think it could be a long time again ( if ever ) before it's back. I hope I'm wrong. Well let's see I don't have any reason to watch the WB anymore now that Angel's gone. Now I won't have any reason to watch UPN after Star Trek Enterprise is over. I wonder what will happen to these threadbare networks now. At least they get to air an ending. I hate it when shows don't have that. If the SciFi channel was smart they'd pick it up. I mean after all if they'll run Andromeda They certainly wouldn't turn their nose up at first run Star Trek.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Sue Wheat

    by kabong

    It didn't have to be this way, and it was no accident. Paramount wanted to leverage the Trek base into a slop series. B and B got their orders (or maybe they did the pitch: "We'll make it 'Friends' on a spaceship; yapping about who might want to hook up with whom) to draw in the middle-aged women or whatever demographic sucks in "Judging Amy." That episode on the shuttle that was just lame dialogue with no tension, no drama, no purpose--that sticks in my mind as the epitome. And the lack of knowledge about ST continuity really ticked me off. It's regrettable that the fourth season started to get things going in the right direction, too late.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:32 p.m. CST

    I actually liked Enterprise...

    by SG7

    ...All the TOS blowing continuity ganks can go fuck themselves. TOS was about as continuity laden as a druken Haiku master on crank. So the sets weren't made of cardboard and plywood and they use real digital displays. I'm jure Gene would have done the same if 1965 IF THEY HAD FUCKING EXISTED. I like Enterprise, even the Temporal Cold war which was baffling only to those people who find the color blue or the concept of toast confusing. Season four has been good, and they have been laying some great backstory to TOS while adheering to the non existant continuity of TOS as best they could. Speaking of TOS, just what was Kirks middel initial? I'd love to here the retard fanboy alternative universe explanation for that one. How about maximum warp? What about the Enterprise "rockets" as noted in the TOS pilot? Nope Enterprise was a great addition to Trek simply because the characters wern't tea sipping pompous pricks telling us how great and "evolved" they are in the future.

  • 'Cause that would be SO DAMN AWESOME.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:36 p.m. CST

    PRAISE BE TO PARAMOUNT!!! Now fire Berman's ass once and for all

    by robogeek.com

    ...and kick him off the lot for good. ENTERPRISE was a tired and inept bastardization of STAR TREK, and Berman & Braga should never have been allowed to run this once-proud (and formerly lucrative) franchise so deeply into the ground both critically and commercially, in both television and film -- truly an unprecedented achievement of incompetence. Given the ratings meldown across VOYAGER and ENTERPRISE, and the box office implosion across INSURRECTION and NEMESIS, I fear they have done irreparable harm to STAR TREK. Hopefully today's news is a sign that the "new" Paramount is finally taking long-overdue responsibility, but it never should have let the studio's former crown-jewel franchise become so sickeningly tarnished. STAR TREK is dead. Long live STAR TREK.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:43 p.m. CST

    At least we still have Warp 11!

    by warp11

    Star Trek will still live on with that Star Trek band Warp 11! Here is a great bootleg of their song "we can't make it so!". http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0H4XQ24FNANA739MCYHJD4OH8P www.warp11.com.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:47 p.m. CST

    98 episodes?

    by supertoyslast

    But I thought that the only reason this season got made was to reach 100 episodes which could then be sold in syndication. To stop 2 short of the target seems odd. Doesn't that mean that UPN and Paramount will miss out on hundreds of millions of dollars that they would have made from stations wanting to show Enterprise as part of a "Complete Trek" line-up?

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:52 p.m. CST

    "98 episodes?"

    by Voice O. Reason

    Shows have been syndicated with less than 98 epsidoes before. 100 isn't set in stone.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Ahhhh hahahahahahaha hehee hooo a hahahahaha he heheh hehehehehe

    by TheGinger Twit

    stupid fucking cunts. Burn Berman. I actually gave the latest episode on tv a chance the other night. Sheeze... what the FUCK was I watching? It wasn't star trek.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Wrong. The Temporal Cold War blew chunks and did more than anyt

    by FluffyUnbound

    I mean, come on. Was there ANYONE who wanted the time travel storyline other than the people who got paid for writing it? They rolled the dice and lost.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 6:58 p.m. CST

    The death of Sci-Fi... and not a moment too soon.

    by Silver Shamrock

    Couldn't watch this without expecting Scott Bakula to walk by a mirror with a fat black woman looking back at him. And Sopranos is going to be set for syndication with much less than 100 episodes.

  • I couldn't be happier. Now fucking fire Berman and Braga too. And Coto too, I still maintain he's as big a talentless hack as Berman and Braga after "Chosen Realm". Dumbass.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 7:07 p.m. CST

    "So first goes Trek, next goes Smackdown (which will not be rene

    by Voice O. Reason

    Smackdown's contract with the network doesn't end until after the 2005-2006 season. Reports of its cancellation were greatly exaggerated.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Star Trek was always meant to be an outlet for sci-fi writers.

    by TheGinger Twit

    Consider that the old trek series, next generation and DS9 had with them hundreds of writers from all over the world, ranging from novelists to pulp comic writers to just plains premise writers. Voyager was soon closed off to open submissions. Enterprise was not only cut off completely, but like the next gen films, was held captive by berman and to a lesser extent braga - having a hand in not only story credit, but final say on everything. It has been disasterous for star trek and this day has been always just a mere matter of time. But fear not, Star Trek is bigger than Berman and Braga, and it will return bigger and better than ever. Only then will you Enterprise appologists truely see the errors of your ways. Fuck you Berman, you're outta here!!

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 7:12 p.m. CST

    As a long-time Star Trek fan, all I can say is....

    by MasterShake

    Eh.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 7:18 p.m. CST

    WARREN ELLIS comments on ENTERPRISE's cancellation...

    by robogeek.com

    From his BAD SIGNAL mailing list today (subscribe at warrenellis.com): "Those who've been following my occasional pieces on genre TV might be interested to learn that ENTERPRISE was finally cancelled today. Story's on AICN right now. I hope that the people involved with the show who I occasionally heard from find new work soon. And so another Star Trek show descends into TV Hell. I met someone last year who'd been brought in to pitch a new Trek show: but, more than half a year down the line, I haven't heard anything else. So my suspicion is that Star Trek is gone from our screens for a comfortingly long time. And, with the final Star Wars film on the way, it seems that by the end of the year the culture will feel peculiarly cleansed. As if the shackles were released from us in our cultural basement, and we can finally take from our mouths the shattered antique underpants used as gags and wash old men's semen out of our bum crevices."

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Too bad

    by waelse1

    Enterprise was a better show than Voyager by a long shot, with better-than-average scifi actors and a good premise. I've enjoyed all the seasons and maybe this one the most. Unfortunately, Star Trek has been on TV so many years that there's a sense of deja vu with just about anything they do, and the mediocre ratings, along with weak box office for the latest flick, tell us that most Americans have zero interest in anything Star Trek for the foreseeable future. The current show runner has done a very good job in season 4, and I hope he and the actors get work in something interesting after it's over.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Finally. Now we can go forward.

    by Darksider

    New races, technology, and hopefully more androids! Screw the past shit. I want a Star Trek that doesn't have to rely upon a really hot chick to keep viewers, not that a show shouldn't have one but we need more. TNG and DS9 I watch everyday on Spike. I just can't watch Enterprise knowing what has came before is so much better.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 7:35 p.m. CST

    ENTERPRISE's cancellation didn't even merit mention on E NEWS LI

    by robogeek.com

    Wow. Now _that's_ sad. (But pretty much sums things up.)

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 7:41 p.m. CST

    by cryptmagic

    Voyager had a better story, and what can they wrap up in Enterprise, it has no goal or meaning, probably someone will have sex with tupal, and then the show will end. Also theres still startgate and battlestar and they are much better by far. When i watch them i look forward to the new shows, but enterprise is like 10 minutes of forwarding on my tivo.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 7:46 p.m. CST

    What the fuck is "E NEWS LIVE"?

    by Voice O. Reason

    Seriously.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Who needs a break? Just use a new concept like Starfleet Academ

    by Darksider

    Follow the cadets, see how everything works on Earth in the 24th century and if the show would last, have them gradute and go on their first assignments. We've trekked, sat at stations, been lost, and now back in time. There is a lot that still hasn't been covered. I'm sorry but BSG and SG1 and 2 don't do it for me.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Black Days

    by SnowMann

    I have not been a fan of this series, and have found the execution poor from the beginning, but could you guys please hold back on the celebrating a little bit? Yea, the show was slightly damaging to the Trek name, but it has its fans and we should respect them in this very sad day. I remember when Angel was cancelled (personal favorite) and every third talkbacker was gleeful about the news of my favorite series being cancelled. Being critical doesn't help anyone, and it only further hurts those who support the show. RIP Enterprise. My condolances to all of your fans.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:03 p.m. CST

    And by the way, Fuck Warren Ellis

    by cookylamoo

    That pretentious twit.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Just when it was getting good

    by I Dunno

    To all the haters, well that's your opinion but I thought it was getting better. I cannot however, forgive Paramount for cocking up the last movie. Write a lame screenplay? It's been known to happen. Ignore input-neigh, please from those who read it leaked on the internet? Expected. But release the movie between Harry Potter and LOTR? You should be set on fire. RIP Trek.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:11 p.m. CST

    by cryptmagic

    It was getting better, but what idiot moves it to Friday where its against Sci Fi Channels Friday Lineup. Atleast on wendsday it was alone in the Sci Fi genre, but on friday Sci Fi Channels controls the night with its shows.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:20 p.m. CST

    by AxeBox

    ROFL *JUST* when it was a must-see show they cancel it! God, I remember when the show was so goddamn awful I wanted to bash my head in the wall and MAKE IT STOP... I BEGGED them to take the show off the air. Fuck Enterprise I said! That show sucked! But Season 4 has been incredible. Absolutely incredible! It's the best thing since TNG and better than all the movies ('cept maybe First Contact). Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. DAMN! DAMNDAMNDAMNNDAMN DAMN Please bring it back. :(

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Seriously

    by AxeBox

    Please don't do this! PLEASE DON'T DO THIS!!! I swear I'll be a good boy this year. Christmas isn't soon enough for a wish such as this. :( Manny Cotto is awesome... at least let him develop a new Trek show!

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Sulu & Chekov

    by YankeeMan

    are 68 & 69 respectively, so don't look for a series featuring them! Maybe they will try to spin a series out of the last episode, which features Riker & Troi?

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:25 p.m. CST

    And yet "StarGate" goes on and on.

    by FrankDrebin

    Just do "Federation Academy" already, with lil' Jimmy Kirk.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:37 p.m. CST

    ... and why is Stargate still on the air?

    by riskebiz

    Stargate is competely mind-numbing crap, so why is that perpetually on the air ... and creating spin-offs? It actually makes no sense compared to Enterprise. I liked the main characters of Archer, T'Pol, Trip and Malcolm. The rest of the cast can fall of the planet, but that core was as good a core as any. Certainly Voyager didn't have that good a group. I stopped watching when they had the episdoe where Hoshi dreamed the whole thing. They never would do crap like that on TOS. Basically, these writers blew it and it really all falls on Berman's lap. He should be banned from Trek. A series with Riker would be good a few years from now. Also, possibly a big screen version of the "The Cage" with someone like Val Kilmer as Capt. Christohper Pike would be a good avenue to go in to. Let the big-screen movies follow Capt. Pike. That seems like a good avenue to go to me. I don't know why they don't do more with Pike.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Star Trek Is Dead.

    by The Outlander

    Long Live Battlestar Galactica.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:44 p.m. CST

    As long as they keep that chick with the huge tits...

    by HB_Dad

    Enterprise had SOOOO much potential from a concept standpoint but ultimately got fucked up by bad writing, character redos, plot holes, and the reluctance for the writer's to accept that they are in fact doing a "PREQUEL" series. What's up with the 9/11 Xindi plotline? The parallels are too obvious and so much that they seem effortless and tired. Hell, what's up with this Burger King Kid's Club enemy force anyway? We have one of every type imaginable to "represent" each subspecies. We have a man, a lizard, some fucked up dolphin thing, an extinct flight subspecies, and some other ridiculous varieties all hangning out in a sort of ghetto Superfrinds councilroom. Then they have this stupid fishtank at the rear of the room, only one of their dudues seems happy to LIVE there! On top of this, they all are living inside some asteroid somewhere. Who the fuck writes this shit?!! I'm surprised there wasn't a derivitive in a wheelchair as well just to cover the full spectrum! WHat's with all the time travel and temporal war shit? The only time travel I'd accept is that future ship that fixes temporal anomalies as seen in TNG (or was it Voyager?). Q would've been cool, but he would contradict the first episode of TNG. What this show SHOULD'VE been is more of an Apollo 13 type of thing, where danger is a way of life. Where the biggest danger can often be your own equipment, oversights, and inexperience. Instead, this show overcomes these types of things by the end of like the 2nd episode and they are already at the "We can overcome ANYTHING" status that Voyager seemed to enjoy. FUCK THAT! I wanted danger, I wanted to feel like you were IN space! I wanted to feel the dread something could go wrong at any second, and the most miniscule of aliens encountered can be lethal! I wanted more first contacts (no pun intended) and to sense a feeling of wonder in the characters as they see a new world/species for the first time. Fuck you B&B for fucking up such a POTENTIALLY great series even when you had a GREAT actor playing the captain.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:50 p.m. CST

    "I don't know why they don't do more with Pike."

    by Bart of Darkness

    The official reason given at the time is that Hunter decided not to do the series, but wished to work on feature films rather than TV, as he had done most of his career. This version is still supported by some, including Bob Justman and Herb Solow in their Inside Star Trek (1996). They state that his wife Dusty Bartlett gave them the verdict: "This is not the kind of show Jeff wants to do, and besides, it wouldn't be good for his career. Jeff Hunter is a movie star." This version is also supported in the book Star Trek Creator: The Authorized Biography of Gene Roddenberry (1994) by David Alexander, which includes the letter Roddenberry wrote to Hunter in which he states "I am told you have decided not to go ahead with Star Trek. This has to be your own decision, of course, and I must respect it." In Films and Filming magazine of April 1962, Hunter stated his attitude toward working in TV when he said, "I haven't done too much TV, for two reasons. First, the nine years I was under contract my availability to television was controlled by the studio. Secondly, there is not much superior material to be found on TV. The man hours and the talent needed to turn this material out is far exceeded by the total number of hours that must be programmed to fill time." So he was probably ambivalent about working on Trek in the first place. Leonard Nimoy says in his I Am Spock (1995): "Jeff Hunter was let go when his wife began to represent him and made what Gene (Roddenberry) considered excessive demands." William Shatner amplifies this in his Star Trek Memories by saying that Hunter's wife "began to frequently storm into Gene's office, loudly making demands" about how Jeff was to be treated. Shatner continues, "Gene later told me that he'd much rather be dealing with Jeff and his agent, or even Jeff and a gorilla, than Jeff and his wife. He continued that there were so many tantrums, restrictions, and ultimatums being laid out on the table that he finally thought, 'Well, I can't possibly do an entire series like this. They'll drive me nuts.'"

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Gee, I predicted this in 2000, before anyone even knew what "Ser

    by BoyNamedSue

    Is there a way I can find that AICN post????? But..........no one ever listens to me!!!!!

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Ha Fuckity Ha

    by Mr. Smegma

    UPN should just run reality show re-runs for the mouth-breathers with credit too fucked for a TiVo. Cheaper and bigger numbers. The days of the network, ALL networks, are numbered.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Stargate

    by cryptmagic

    Hey leave stargate alone, Ben Browder is coming to the show next season as a regular, and claudia black has been a guest and will be in the future. For all you farscape fans. UPN is a joke channel, i mean how many shows do you actually watch on this channel. The should sell the whole star trek franchise to Universal so it will be part of The Sci Fi Network.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 9:06 p.m. CST

    At last!

    by bullumhead

    They should have done this 10 years ago...talk about one too many times to the well!!!

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 9:15 p.m. CST

    I can't say that I'm surprised. Sad a little, yes, but not surpr

    by Noriko Takaya

    Those last three films have been mediocre shit; both Voyager and Enterprise have had to rely on blatant T&A (7 of 69 & T'Poon T'Ang, respectively) in desperate ploys to pull in ratings. It's not bashers who killed the show, it was mediocre plots, recycled and threadbare scripts and flat acting. In addition, there is also one other factor, the same one that, to a lesser extent, plagues Star Wars: prequels are almost ALWAYS a bad idea. With prequels you know how the story is going to end and where everything is going to end up so that tends to kill any suspense right there. Call me old fashioned but I'm one of those nuts who believe that a story should start at the beginning and end at the end. Seriously people, Trek as it stands today is exhausted. They've run out of ideas and don't have the will to compete with genuinely innovative series like Battlestar Galactica (never thought I'd say that) or even Stargate. Let it die. Please. For its own sake, just let it lie in peace. Everything has to end at one point or another and it is better to go out while still on top (ala the Beatles) than to slowly rot away in the public eye (the Rolling Stones). Not that I consider Enterprise "on top" but if they try to go on like this things will only get worse. Toppu o Nerae!

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 9:32 p.m. CST

    UPN is shifting it's direction to better compete with the WB.

    by Mr. Profit

    CBS is not letting UPN die without a fight. They also are not renewing Smackdown next year when the contract expires. Kevin Hill and Veronica Mars is the new direction UPN is heading towards. And the only "Urban" sitcoms that will survive will be Eve, All Of Us, Girlfriends, and One on One. How much you want to bet UPN will shift the shows to Sunday night before abandoning them entirely? I was never a trekkie, or a fan, but I can sympathize with the fans. Maybe you guys could get a better show on another network.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 9:33 p.m. CST

    I meant they should re-cast Pike for a new movie series.

    by riskebiz

    It would mean finding someone to play a younger Spock, too (Alan Cumming?). I didn't mean they should exhume Jeffrey Hunter. I just thought a big screen version with someone like Val Kilmer as Pike would be cool. At least to me it sounded good.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 9:41 p.m. CST

    I'm neither happy nor upset. . .just indifferent

    by Mutant Leader

    . . .because I quit watching two weeks ago anyway. It wasn't just Berman and Braga that killed the franchise (although they do suck). It was those damn novels as well. There are something like 300 TOS books alone. . .and many of them play hell with continuity worse than Enterprise did. Come on guys. . .if there were 300+ Desperate Housewives novels in print, what do you think would be happening right now with it? The same thing. There really are very few viable ST premises left at this juncture. It's all been done. Some of the most interesting ideas I have seen for the series, though, are the ones put forth in David Gerrold's book The World of Star Trek. You really ought to read it sometime. (warp over to eBay if you can't find it.)

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Please tell me this is the end for Berman and Braga

    by brattain

    Otherwise, this is a pointless move. If B & B are allowed to produce a new show anywhere down the road, Paramount will get the same results. How many damn times do those execs need to be told that they lost the wrong crew when they let the DS9 writers leave? I think people like Ron Moore are demonstrating just how badly Berman screwed up. But then Ron Moore wasn't the royal asskisser that Braga is. People, keep a close eye on what happens to Braga here on out. He's never worked on any other show than Trek. If he really has the talent he thinks he has, well then he should be very successful from here on, shouldn't he?

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 9:48 p.m. CST

    i'm a huge trek fan and i say good bloody riddance.

    by BAMF

    'enterprise' was bottom of the barrel.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 9:49 p.m. CST

    The show was set before the original series, but felt like next

    by Orionsangels

    Lets get as far away from the star trek everyone loves, that's a good idea. I swear these creators and writers are stupid. Why do they insist on reimaginings? like that new battlestar galactic, the old ships look cooler than the new bland ships.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Yeah move to scifi channel and be another show nobody knows abou

    by Orionsangels

    -

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 9:54 p.m. CST

    and Andromeda is still on the air.

    by Orionsangels

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 9:55 p.m. CST

    T'Pol's Fun Bags

    by Itchy

    I'll miss those. And Hoshi. And the idea of Hoshi and T'Pol rubbing each other down with decontamination oil. Other than that, Enterprise sucks. I got into the Xindi plotline towards the end of last year, but then they moved the show. Since I can only handle Tivo'ing one scifi show per weekend, my vote goes to Battlestar Galactica - a MUCH more "adult" sci-fi show. Here's hoping it gets the attention it deserves to thrive.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 9:58 p.m. CST

    um...

    by ReDWasK

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 10:12 p.m. CST

    UPN Killed this mother!

    by performingmonkey

    Correct, Berman and Braga are NOT the sole reason Trek is so shit these days (although they dug the grave, it was a question of whether everyone else was gonna push it in the hole...). Jeez, Enterprise was so.....boring, fucking BORING! I haven't seen anything of season 4 yet because I live in the UK but FUCK season 2 was so bad I must have watched I don't know 2 episodes all the way through of series 3. I just wanted to kill Scott Bakula (Captain Crap he's called in my house) in each episode. Matt LeBlanc would have been a better choice.....well.....maybe not but for fuck's sake, for the sake of fuckery how can you have someone captaining the Enterprise that just stinks of unholy shit after the greatness of Kirk and Picard. In my view Nemesis was a pretty decent movie, particualarly compared with the shit Insurrection. I will be BITTERLY disappointed if this is the last outing ever of the TNG crew. They deserve way better sendoff than that. I mean, why don't they just fuck everything else and concentrate on Picard and Riker? With a good story behind them they can rule. How 'bout a Riker/Troi series? Never mind this shit about them appearing in Enterprise (wtf is that all about?!). Bring back the glory of the Kirk days even. At least with the original crew you felt like it MATTERED. Who gives a flying fuck about the Temporal War or fucking weird future guy or basically ANYTHING to do with Trip and Topol or......ANYTHING. Trek should be about saving humanity and worlds like before. Ah.......fuck. Please don't let this be the end for Trek. Please!! (*remembers Berman contemplating a young Kirk/Spock/McCoy movie and faints with nausia*....)

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Other comments...

    by brattain

    I hope if/when another Trek appears, it is NOT any kind of prequel series. Future Trek should take place AFTER the DOMINION WAR. The universe is a big place, surely they can find interesting ideas without having to use the time period as a gimmick. Just pick up where they left off in the 24th century (VGR can be easily ignored). Star Trek has gotten to be so large, it needs a little downtime. I just hope they don't try some "revamp" with a new Kirk, Spock, etc. If someone told me in 1999 that in 5 years, Star Trek, Star Wars, and Matrix would be letting me down, but Battlestar Galactica would be the new must see show, I would have laughed. I can't believe a lifelong die hard Trek fan like myself is unmoved by Trek being canceled. Only Berman and Braga could push me this far away.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Star Trek is still on the air????

    by gil-galad12

    Wow.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 10:28 p.m. CST

    stationary trek and continuity vs. respect

    by williammunny

    I have two things to add to the discussion (hopefully add anyway). First any kind of trek set in a single stationary place is going to suck. A starfleet academy series will certainly degenerate into a teen romance show. DS9 sucked because it didn't have tne exploration aspect which is inherent to Star Trek (To boldly go, remember). Any single concept show, like Star Fleet Marines, will result in every show being about action and fighting. While that should be a part of Star Trek it will get tiring. The basic formula is encountering the unknown, going out and seeing whats out there, with "out there" standing in for an exploration of those issues that we care about. The second point is about continuity vs. simple respect for what's gone on before you. When B&B decided to do a prequel, they knew that there was a history that they had to work within. Thats the downside of a preguel. There's a difference between "continuity" errors like Kirk's middle initial changing and the fact that Spock originally wore a beige shirt, instead of the blue shirt and completely ignoring the fact that the original series existed. Sure people on this site bitch about those sorts of things (Get a life people, as Shatner said), but I think what people reacted against was the fact that Berman and Braga made it abundantly clear that they loathed the original series. I still don't see why Star Trek needs to go away for a few years. Hire new people, come up with a decent concept- Pike, post-Picard, Kirk's ealry career- whatever. Keep the formala simple, its a ship full of people exploring the unknown. Keep it simple. Enterprise was an interesting concept that got fucked up along the way. Voyager was potentially a cool idea too. You have a single ship on its own exploring a part of space that is completely unknown. Cut off from Starfleet with no possibility of help, and a crew that is highly factionalized. Instead of being interesting, and full of tension, it became Gilligan's island. They also made some horrible casting decisions, partially born out of the kneejerk PC notion that they had to have a female captain. But with new writers, and a decent concept there is no reason it couldn't start up fairly soon.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 10:34 p.m. CST

    The Fall of Enterprise brings the Rise of BSG...

    by Russman

    I still hate the Sci-Fi channel, but I'm digging BSG. But to be serious for a second, I liked last season's Enterprise and I have been enjoying this one. Hope to see Scott back in action soon.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Oh, fuck you UPN and Moonves. This truly sucks. The series reall

    by Commando Cody

    A stupid cancellation decision yet again made by a bunch of mental twats. Fuck you for cancelling ENTERPRISE just so we can probably get more bullshit on the air like ELIMIDATE: VEGAS or FUNNY GIRLS IN THE HOOD or some other type of "well, we think it's hip" UPN programming bullshit. There will always be the trolls for any show, but the naysayers here are just flat out wrong. Was there still a somewhat "off" episode this season -- sure, but not nearly at the percentage level as before. Manny Coto did an amazing job of pulling this show together this year and making it everything we thought it was going to be when it premiered. Had UPN had to conviction to at least let it come back for another season, I'm sure the gamble of a much more positive word of mouth would have paid off. Then again, Trek is Trek and ever since the original series EVERY incarnation has had its fan or detractors. Personally, I can't bear the watch the first 2 or so seasons of NEXT GEN -- when Roddenberry first launched the show and he was still alive to control it -- simply because they were utter snoozefests. Truth be told, it wasn't until after Roddenberry was gone that NG actually seemed to pick up some tempo and actually get its stride. And as far as I'm concerned, the same can be said for DS9. It, too, started off truly dull and boring for 2-3 seasons with a seemingly castrated non Spencer-like Hawk Avery Brooks, who then thankfully grew his balls back and DID become the "Captain Hawk" everyone wanted to see when he was cast as the series shifted gears and did the Dominion War. Voyager...well, that was largest slide for me. That show just sucked start to finish. But I have to say I liked ENTERPRISE from day one and I'll miss it. I think I enjoyed it more than the others simply because it did feel closer to the Shatner Trek era, particularly this year when they found THEIR stride and tone. So sorry to see it go -- fuck you UPN for thinking people want to see more of your terminally unfunny urban ghetto comedies or other bullshit. And I hope Paramount gives at least some thought to not shutting down production and simply striking a deal to move ENTERPRISE to the Sci Fi Channel as many have advocated. Or some other outlet if possible. If nothing else, I'll be looking forward to picking up the DVD sets as soon as they start rolling out this spring.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 10:58 p.m. CST

    ENT isn't unnatural -- DS9 & TNG took about 4 seasons to take of

    by Tall_Boy

    come now, TNG hit its stride and finally came into its own with "I am Locutus of Borg, resistance is futile" - the season 3 ender. The first 2 seasons of DS9 were plain old crap, got steadily better in season 3 and hit balls out great in season 4. (I thought the show divebombed in season 7, but thats just me). So, yah, its not unexpected it took 3-4 years for Ent to find its balls, that happens all the time.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 11:02 p.m. CST

    the excelsior series

    by Madbomber

    Would have sucked ass. George Takei is a bad actor and cannot carry a show.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 11:03 p.m. CST

    UPN are morons! They should have kept it on Wednesdays!

    by JTG825

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 11:03 p.m. CST

    By the way, since I was cursing people, screw Warren Ellis with

    by Commando Cody

    Who the fuck cares what Warren Ellis thinks? Seriously, does anyone? Other than Ellis wanting to hear himself? I love that someone posted Ellis' comments about the cancellation since we really need to hear the viewpoints of a hack comic writer who, frankly, has been taking shots at ENTERPRISE since day one. Why, who knows? Probably penis envy that some people are working the sci fi genre in TV or movies while he has to share his ideas via comic books that nobody cares about. My guess is he's just happy that now he gets to share his misery since no one wanted to buy his shit pilot for GLOBAL FREQUENCY. Worse, when it isn't ENTERPRISE, Ellis feels this perpetual need to piss all over STAR WARS and talk about how it likewise needs to be washed away for good. Because only then as he commented, will we be "unshackled and ungagged and released from our cultural basement". Basement, right. And with his analogy of "old men's semen" that needs to be wiped clean from our crevices, I assume Ellis is another one of these dolts who feels Lucas raped his childhood or something. Though, again, as if Ellis will EVER create anything that ranks as artistically or culturally impactful generationally and GLOBALLY as what Lucas has achieved. Again, a dick personality just whining away with major penis envy. For crying out loud, this loon seems to think after EPISODE 3 comes out that everyone is going to be standing around saying, "You know what? I don't need STAR WARS. I never want to see or hear of it again. What I need now is more Warren Ellis!" Talk about ego. No wonder this guy works in comics. He clearly lives in fantasy land...

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 11:13 p.m. CST

    GAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE MY LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by zillabeast

    WHYYYY GODDD WHYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEESE BRING ME BACK SOME TREK!!! ANY TReK!!!! ANYTHING!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 11:13 p.m. CST

    R-S should go to Atlantis!

    by Eshu

    I really hope the Reeves-Stevenses go over to Stargate: Atlantis. That show has so much potential and this team of writers could really bring it out.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 11:14 p.m. CST

    FrankDrebin

    by mascan

    "Lil' Jimmy Kirk" . . . will he be performing at the Improv in Pittsburgh Thursday - Saturday? Plug-whore.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 11:14 p.m. CST

    It's funny, they beat the franchise concept into the ground but

    by FluffyUnbound

    They sucked every last red cent they could get out of this franchise, using tits and the Borg and stunts, and now everything connected to Trek feels spent and used up, like a 40 year old streetwalker, but they still have only given us the most superficial look possible at the future society Trek is supposed to represent. If they sat down to make a show set one day after the end of Voyager, think of all the shit they never bothered to really examine or explain in any depth. How exactly are the politics of the Federation organized? Do they hold elections? For what? Who can tell Star Fleet what to do? When? We got to see about five seconds of that stuff when they dragged out the old McCarthyism themes when they were worried about changeling infiltration during DS9. Even then, you'd think Star Fleet was the only functioning institution on any of these planets. And forget the government, what about the economy? How can there still be a money economy, if replicator technology exists? Since replicators would make virtually everyone in the society superfluous and unemployable, how do the billions of people who aren't the 200,000 or so people in Star Fleet spend their time? Are they all psychiatrists and bad artists? There is more entertaining consideration of the implications of a superabundancy society in practically any Frederick Pohl story than in all of Trek. When you think about it, all the time spent on the Ferengi was basically worthless, because the type of culture they were trying to depict would last about five seconds once it encountered a culture that could duplicate shit out of thin air. What about the society? Is there ever social unrest in the Federation? How do they reconcile their touchy-feely PC philosophies with their Federation government style and the Prime Directive? If one of the Federation planets decided to have slavery and widow burning as customs, what would the rest of the Federation do? Given the technologies at people's disposal, wouldn't even ordinary neurosis, let alone sociopathy, lead to some really fucked up situations? When some punk like Wesley Crusher can almost blaze a starship down by playing with nanites, what can the Federation equivalent of the Unabomber get done? Other than the fact that Picard likes to grow grapes and argue with his brother, we have virtually zero knowledge even of conditions on EARTH during the time period covered by TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Let alone the other planets. So Trek may be beating a dead horse, as far as figuring out new ways to use the Borg is concerned, but that doesn't mean the Trek universe has been exhaustively explored.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Woo-hoo! Now this means UPN is FREE! Free from having to serve t

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Fact: NO drama series on UPN has ever rightfully "earned" a second season. Neither Voyager nor Enterprise counted, since UPN was obligated to carrying them. And neither does Buffy count, since the network paid for two seasons in advance. This season, the first time in UPN's 11-year history, will probably be the first in which at least one drama on UPN (the other being Kevin Hill) will get a second season renewal!

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Good points, Fluffyunbound. I agree and the one I always was cur

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Nice post, and overall I'd agree that doing some more "backstory" to flesh out the TREK universe could have made for a more interesting show as well. One of the things I liked about ENTERPRISE going back to BROKEN BOW the premiere was when they would show the Earth and they were debating witht the Vulcans about "how far" the ship should go out or what it should do, etc. That sense of cultural interaction that gave you in some sense of "feel" for what the Earth was like at the time helped ground things -- but as you said, we never get to SEE the politics in action, never get to SEE the characters taking a day off and just walking through Earthbound city streets to get as sense of future life on the planet. If you were going to save on money and do a "character piece" episode, at least set it on Earth like that and kill 2 birds with one stone. The one thing I never got was how LAND was actually divided up in the future. On NEXT GEN, I remember that episode where they found those 3 people off in space in a satellite or something, who had been frozen from an earlier Earth due to illness (but who now could be cured). I seem to recall one of them was a businessman who asked about money, and someone (Riker or Troi) gave him some standard Trek "the future will be positive" lecture about how money doesn't really exist or drive culture, that now that they have replicators and whatnot, people don't work per se, but instead try to "better themselves." But as you mentioned, the Picard family had a vineyard -- which naturally would take up alot of land. Ok, so if it's the future and money isn't an issue -- that is, all people are equal now -- how the hell do you buy a vineyard or acquire the land? Who doles it out? Essentially, why would Picard's family get all that land while other people live in high rise apartments. For that matter, why would anyone want to live in a high rise as opposed to saying "Well, if we're all not going to work anymore...and we can all have unlimited daily electric power and food at our disposal to do what we want each day...I say we divide up the Earth's land so at least we can all have our own bit of property and our own HOUSES with some land, and not apartments." So I was always curious about that myself. Then again, if money doesn't exist and replicators and whatnot give you free daily power and food and the ability to call up something ("Hey, today I'll generate a new laptop for myself!") I would also assume alot of people eventually get bored and decide to go travel space or something. Though that begs the question that once you're OFF the seemingly now "freebie" Earth, other alien cultures WOULD still have monetary systems in place so you WOULD need to come up with "cash" somehow to get supplies and whatnot. So I guess the point is, you can't get a paying job ON Earth, but being an Earthling once you leave you HAVE to work or something.

  • Feb. 2, 2005, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Uh, Enterprise wasn't that great, but...

    by Logo Lou

    Battlestar Galactica and the Stargates suck. Seriously. Why people are giving blowjobs to these mediocre snoozefests yet slamming the Enterprise snoozefest baffles me. I thought Andromeda & Earth: Final Conflict were bad until sampling some episodes of both Stargates. And Galactica? Wow. I thought the original was bad. The mini series was laughable. The positive critical response to the series baffles me. But then I remember critics loved "Veronica's Closet" too (until they realized everyone hated it and they changed their tune).

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Yes, FluffyUnbound understands. (never thought I'd type those w

    by brattain

    There is no reason why Star Trek cannot pick up right where they left off in the 24th century. Fluffy brought up some excellent examples of things that were never explored in 21 seasons set in the 24th century. Add to that questions like "what was the political fallout of the Dominion War?" and "how is starfleet distributing itself in the wake of such massive losses?" just as a starting point. But, the obvious course they should have taken years ago was to make telefilms. Look at where Trek's biggest successes have been in the last ten years. Most of them were big episodes like premieres, finales, and sweeps. This shows that people are willing to tune in for one time events (but they don't stick around). Make two or three telefilms per year. Air them during sweeps on CBS. Then repeat them on UPN, etc. But they could make a further killing by putting those telefilms on DVD with "never before seen footage" and the other usual DVD goodies. On top of all that, they could finally give ALL fans what they want since they could feature any show at any time and with any characters.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Ever notice....

    by RobinP

    how a cancelled show has always been an "important part" of whoever cancelled it's history ? Anyhow, no surprises here - I cancelled it from my viewing schedule after season 2 and went to watching tapes of the original series instead.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Why do the haters say "Now you can watch something good like Bat

    by Triumph poops!

    Ever occur to you trolls that the people who liked Enterprise ALSO watched Battlestar? It isn't like you couldn't watch BOTH, you know. It isn't like you couldn't be a genre fan of BOTH shows as well as STARGATE or STARGATE: ATLANTIS too. And simply enjoy each show for their particular characters, storylines, whatever. And I'll echo what others have said. This season did get A LOT better. I'd say Season 1 was 50/50... Season 2 was 50/50... Season 3 was pretty solid with the Xindi superweapon as a driving story arc... and now Season 4 has really been firing on all cylinders by going back to classic Trek alien races and situations and winking at the continuity (which they should have done more since the beginning, but that's another argument). But Enterprise has been great. So looking over those numbers, I'd say 2 1/2 or 3 years out of 4 were actually pretty enjoyable. NO WAY you can say that same ratio was true for the first 4 years of NG, DS9 or VOYAGER. As everyone else has noted, those shows didn't start hitting their marks till seasons 3 or 4 either. In fact, compared to them, Enterprise started stronger. Hell, I'll come out and say it. After the original Shatner series, I've enjoyed ENTERPRISE by far the most. So thanks for fucking things up UPN! Good luck with the total shitfest shows we can all count on you greenlighting now!

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Enterprise RIP

    by Yamato

    Not surprised, still too bad to see it die just as it was beginning to improve, just like Crusade. I hope that they let Trek rest for a while, or at least until B&B are either dead or are contractualy obligated to stay 500 meters from any Trek writing or shooting forever.

  • I did kinda like it in a lowtech kinda way

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 1:53 a.m. CST

    HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!

    by Sithlord_999

    Well about time this garbage show pretending to be SCI FI, or Star Trek, or both, is DEAD!!! This is not the death of SCIFI, it is only the death of an idiot, moronic, ill-conceived, pussified, PC-ridden shitfest. FUCK ENTERPRISE!!!!! YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Star Trek has not run out of ideas

    by TheGinger Twit

    Just the current two fuckers who run the show and hold their genitals to every story credit. Prequal Trek on the Robert April/Chris Pike Enterprise could have been a champion series. I know you all think cheesy cardboard sets, but it could have been done. Open your minds and think about it and you will see that it COULD have been done. Exactly the same - it can be done for today without so much grated cheese. When you look at the sets for star trek 2, it's really not that far off. Besides, I love how those old films have that white and rustic look. Star trek had that only it gave it a hip edge. besides, why does the future have to look so militaristic as in Enterprise. I love Gene Roddenberry's vision of a classy existance in space where humans are right at home. It wasn't about peril and danger, it was about exploration and discovery. And thats why star trek has gone so shit under Berman and braga. No longer do we have the marvels of the universe and the human condition. Now it's all about which evil space alien will destory earth this week. It's just fucked now! fucked I say! I long for the day when a star trek film or tv show comes along and i can just sit back and sigh "Yes, thats star trek" I miss the old white model look over the new metalic weapon look. how i loath enterprise and berman and braga. Someone had a good idea, sell the franchise to another studio. Paramount no longer diserves it. kaplaaaaa

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 2:13 a.m. CST

    OK, OK, MY PITCH: USS TITAN w/ CAPTAIN RIKER

    by Sithlord_999

    Paramount Execs- give your fans what they want- A CONTINUATION of THE NEXT GENERATION history- what happened after the (sad, horrific, terrible) NEMESIS movie- I would like to see a series with CAPTAIN RIKER and wife Troi- I'd like to see the USS TITAN exploring strange new worlds- (I'd like to hear those words spoken at the beginning of each episode- it sets the thematic momentum of the (good) Star Trek series.)- That's all, simple, isn't it? A coutinuation of TNG history- with important events from DS9 thrown in. Later... (sithlord_999@yahoo.com)

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Thank God

    by Purgatori

    And there was much rejoicing. If I see anymore greasing of the vulcan or unneccesary female alien T&A for ratings I was gonna barf. This show sucked as bad as DS9, only it took DS9 7 season to become the stinkfest it did (the only saving grace was the interplay between Weyoun, Dukat, and Damar, after that was done the show was back to it's shitfest self.) Then Voyager with that crap ending. God, so much potential. But Enterprise...fuck me, that show had nothing going for it. And the fact that they were going to bring Riker and Troi in? Why don't we just throw all of our continuity out the window? We did already? Oh...

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Ah, finally, the spinning sound in Roddenberry's grave has stopp

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    Thank you, Les, for pulling the plug on and not prolonging the pain for another season.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 3:39 a.m. CST

    UPN Should Have Picked Up Firefly.

    by The Outlander

    And Veronica Mars Kicks Ass!

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Trek will live on

    by Falcon5768

    But I hope to god most of you "fans" who felt it in their hearts to bash Enterprise are on lifesupport when it comes back so we can have a real Star Trek and not the wussified Trek TNG-VOY was. ENT tried hard to go back to the roots while adding some new things and so called fans pissed on it. Its no wonder crap like Stargate is still on, people forgot what good adventure SciFi was.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 4:09 a.m. CST

    TheGingerTwit - great point about the writing on the original se

    by Trader Groucho 2

    It was of course also a very different time in the development of science fiction literature (both prose and scripted) and mythologies. What Roddenberry brought was very different from the science fiction films and television that had preceded Trek. The irony is that now Trek seems somewhat boxed in by its own long history, and some of the emerging technologies of the beginning of the 21st century (we're only a few years, for example, away from video satellite phones, which would be a step past Kirk's communicator) are already lapping what was envisioned for the 23rd century in the mid-1960s. I hope the next Trek incarnation embraces the most far-reaching ideas we've got and gleefully incorporates them simply as a matter of course, continuity be damned. I also hope they don't go back to a period before the time point where the last flick left off, as prequel series have a range of built-limitations (Smallville's appeal largely rests on cute teen drama with a sci-fi element). As for the writers, science fiction has so bloomed and so become a part of the culture that it's more a matter of finding sharp and daring people and letting them be sharp and daring. Oh, and get the hell rid of actors' contracts that stipulate every actor who's a regular on the show appear in each and every episode. Such contracts forced writers on Voager, for example, to twist stuff around to make sure everyone got a line of dialogue every episode. If it was me, I wouldn't hire seven regulars and promise them all a weekly gig. I'd hire two or three I'd promise to be in most of the episodes, and maybe a dozen or more others who I'd promise an average of seven eps a season, and if they got more, cool for them. And I'd have no problem putting any of 'em in a red shirt, if you get my drift. The needs of the many, baby.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Good article about this over at Zap2It.com, along with a tidbit

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    "Series star Scott Bakula hops between soundstages during production of a multi-part episode that sends him and some of his crewmates into a parallel universe. Sporting a temporary dark crewcut, Bakula is wearing the green, wraparound shirt that James T. Kirk donned a few times, along with Kirk's tight, cropped pants and Cuban-heeled boots -- an outfit the whippet-lean Bakula rocks." ... "As to whether Sci Fi Channel or any other cable outlet might pick up the show (as happened with "Stargate SG-1"), Berman says, "The feeling that I've gotten -- and this is less than 24 hours old -- is that everyone seems to agree that it's time to give the franchise a rest." http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|93332|1|,00.html

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Being a fan

    by Bart of Darkness

    "But I hope to god most of you 'fans' who felt it in their hearts to bash Enterprise are on lifesupport when it comes back". Since when has being a fan required you to accept any old shit as long as it goes out under the "Star Trek" banner. Sounds more like the definition of being a brainless sheep to me. Baaaa, baaaa!

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Good...

    by redtom

    ...thanks be to fuck, this series was utter pish from the very first episode......

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 5:46 a.m. CST

    YESssSSSSSS

    by jedimast3r

    Star Trek, minus Wrath of Khan and SFS, really, really sucks. The brilliance of Shatner and Nimoy has been fogged over by pretenders to the throne and years of a mainstay that's long overdue dead.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 7:09 a.m. CST

    They should get Russell Watson to appear in the finale to sing t

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    Have Mr. Watson sing at a Starfleet ceremony where they declare: "Ladies and gentlemen, I present you the official song of Starfleet!" Wouldn't that be a fuckin' beautiful way to end Trek? And I'm betting that Rick Berman will still pull a cliffhanger-ish ending, where several threads are just not resolved (we will never know who FutureGuy is/was/will be -- Paramount will have to give him the reigns to do another Trek show in the future, if we're ever to find out). It will be his final fuck-you to those who dared to complain about this series.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Target Enterprise... Fire!

    by Brit Pop

    It is very sad that ST:Enterprise has been canned, it was a fairly nice addition to the franchise (better than Voyager!) and lets not forget how sexy Jolene Blalock in catsuits is! Enterprise had many problems that all added up to the show finishing - the whole crew were a little nicey nice all the time which is a bit off putting (even when Trip was supposed to be angry at the death of his sister, he didn'treally seen too imposing), the lack of continuity with the other franchises was a bit confusing, and Brannon Braga - the biggest nail in the coffin - who lets this man write stuff?? He only creates shows to groom his next sexy female alien star into bed - personification of Kirk anyone?!?

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 8:39 a.m. CST

    SF TV

    by Real Deal

    As far Browder on SG1 fans of this show watch it primarily for Richard Dean Anderson and chemistry that has between the existing actors. That's what makes a show work. I like both Browder and Black it's just this will be a different show ( sort of a 9th season of Xfilesish ). I don't see it surviving past the 9th. That means we'll be back to 2 SF shows on american tv. Good job guys! PS. I'm a big fan of the new BSG and hope it has a long run but you never know. TV execs haven't liked SF ( too much over their heads probably ) since the days of TOS and Roddenberry. I really don't like this trend.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 8:47 a.m. CST

    It's dead, Jim

    by Ingeld

    It had to be said.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 8:49 a.m. CST

    ENTERPRISE is dead, STAR TREK lives

    by Kikstad

    And don't any of you forget it. Hopefully, the powers-that-be have learned their lesson.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 9:35 a.m. CST

    UPN has something to replace it with?

    by sofalord

    I never thought much of this series but I didn't know UPN had anything else (short of wrestling) that was doing much better ratings-wise. Or am I mistaken? Frankly, I think the whole notion of a UPN "network" (makes me giggle) needs to be cancelled. What has this group actually done for improving television since it's conception? Anything?

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Thats the joke

    by Falcon5768

    UPN DOESNT have anything to replace it or Wrestling (which is also likely going to get canned acourding to most rumors. They are targeting a urban and woman audience now, sept their isnt enoguh of either watching to make UPN anything in terms a ratings.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Wrestling

    by Bart of Darkness

    "I never thought much of this series but I didn't know UPN had anything else (short of wrestling) that was doing much better ratings-wise. Or am I mistaken?" Wrestling may not do much better ratings-wise but it's got to be a hell of a lot cheaper than this faux-trek trash.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST

    A Glorious Day. By the way, did you know that Nichelle Nichols o

    by steve_zodiac

    Apparently he told he she couldn't act, couldn't sing and was far and away he worst thing about the show. Later, Whoopi Goldberg found time during TNG to seek Nichelle out on the set of ST:V1 and apologise: "What Dr King *meant* to say Nichelle, was that you should still be turning tricks and you can't sing to save your sorry ass life". But yet and still, even the great Nichelle, for all her gin-soaked remeniscing, still had more zip to her as a geriatric fruitcake in the movies than the entire cast of "Enterprise" put together. Do I mourne its passing? Do I fuck! I piss on its grave! Hahahahahahah!!!!You Trekkers had this coming. Your winter of starvation will be long and very dark. Do not seek the words "Star" and "Trek" in he TV schedules again for many a long year. Well, maybe five. Sad isn't it?

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST

    It's about fucking time

    by ATARI

    I'm surprised it lasted this long. I was done with it after the third episode of the first season. Now let Star Trek sleep for ten years and then bring it back with new show runners.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Thecuntestofborg

    by steve_zodiac

    And you'll be weeping onto your signed Scott Baluka dildo for years to come if you don't wise the fuck up about your sad little obsession. Good riddance to bad TV.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 10:17 a.m. CST

    B5 was uber-crap

    by Lance the Potter

    B5-praisers here obviously haven't watched it in a long time. One of the most amateurish-directed and acted sf shows around.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 10:19 a.m. CST

    This is for the best...

    by Childe Roland

    ...really. I'm sure even die-hard Enterprise fans will eventually admit that. Sure, this season was better than the last three, but was still far from original and ground-breaking sci-fi. It was really just "good enough" Trek, and we had plenty of that over the last fifteen years. At least the show won't go out during a shit-awful season and, perhaps, the memories of a Trek that was kind of entertaining when it was cancelled will lead some now young and uncontaminated future TV exec with an inspiration to do new Trek five or ten years down the road. That would be the best thing for Trek... to simply go away for a while and come back new. The prequel idea had a lot of promise, but they fucked it up so badly in those first three seasons that I doubt you could sell another prequel series to anyone now. So set it in the further distant future and give us a ship with a vulcan captain, a klingon first officer and a half-romulan tactical officer. The possibilities for the future are really pretty limitless (and isn't that what Trek is all about?). About the only thing that could make this situation even better would be for the Riker/Troi cameo in the series finale to reveal that all of Enterprise was a bad dream.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Finally

    by chrisd

    when Enterprise shows some promise, it's gone. Well, much too little, much too late. Maybe they will get rid of B&B (Paramount, do you get it, yet) and make an actual Star Trek series. It was not all bad, the actors, most of them anyway, were great. I like the characters. And of course, Porthos! I got a kick out of the Andorians, especially Jeffrey Combs. But the Vulcans were just portrayed wrong, and the whole temporal cold war was a waste of time, and I quit watching with that Xindi thing. Good bye Enterprise. Long Live Star Trek.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 11:13 a.m. CST

    my suggestion for next TREK:

    by SmutGirl

    An all-Klingon series, featuring characters introduced in TNG/DS9.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 11:14 a.m. CST

    TREK IS DEAD...LONG LIVE TREK!!!!

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I used to be a massive fan of STAR TREK, the original series, the movies 1-6, TNG, and the first few series of DS9. Then one day STAR TREK died. VOYAGER? awful. INSURRECTION? awful (good score though jerry) NEMESIS? awful. ENTERPRISE? awful. The only good TREK i've seen since 94 is FIRST CONTACT, which was fun and dramatic. The later series have had no spark whatsoever and have sucked the life out of the fun, vitality and originality of TREK. When I first heard of ENTERPRISE I thought hmmm, the Enterprise, Scott Bakula good actor - this could be fun. I watched the pilot episode and the first few eps and gave up. Dull, dull, dull. STAR TREK is long overdue a new team in control. The current team have bled it dry. So give it a few years rest,hire a talented director and make a new movie with Patrick Stewart and the gang fighting Q, why did they never do this?!! Re-energise TREK and make it attractive to the general public again not just a few hardcore fans and hopefully we can ignore the last 10 years as a one long bad TREK dream. Let's see whats out there...

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 11:20 a.m. CST

    To the assholes wondering why Stargate is still on the air, the

    by Rolling_Stone

    If you can't figure that one out you may as well switch back to Romper Room.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 12:03 p.m. CST

    by cryptmagic

    Lets see in Babylon 5 there was a story, and the characters had real problems, some even died. Its not like enterprise where there all super perfect liberals. Even when Archer became enraged and bad, it didnt feel right. Also StarGate and Battlestar are on fire on the SciFi channel.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I think they should do a series about the disabled Captain Pike

    by Lord Shatner

    Think of the money they'd save by not having to write dialogue

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 12:37 p.m. CST

    And Berman says........

    by richard1025

    "Nobody is more surprised about that than we are here," Berman said of the precipitous fan drop-off in an interview conducted after UPN announced Enterprise's fate. http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?id=30325 Hmmmm yeah Mr Berman, right you are.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Time travel killed Star Trek

    by Lezbo Milk

    Time travel is the root of all evil in my opinion. Star Trek relyed on it way WAAAAAYYYY to often, hell, most of the show is based on it from what I can tell. Frankly, its so goddam hard to do time travel I don't know why people bother. You really have to be a fucking genious to pull off a excellent time travel story, one that isn't full of contradictions and errors in logic. Now an entire series based on it? Come on! Berman and Braga are not up to it. Plain and simple, nothing matters when there is time travel. When the past can be altered, the future corsed turned...nothing fucking matters anymore.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 1:12 p.m. CST

    ....And Make It So.

    by tensticks

    Well...it's an ironic twist, isn't it? A dozen years ago, even in the two or three years between Gene R's passing and the end of NEXT GEN...Trek could do no wrong. It was the darling of the media. A paragon of enlightened, politically correct values. All other attempts at Science Fiction and fantasy television were all pointless cash-ins and ripoffs and how DARE anyone but Star Trek do anything like that on TV anyway? Star Wars was dead and gone, Battlestar Galactica a campy joke of the 70s, Dr Who a low budget British "cult" show. And forget about that low budget "ripoff", BABYLON 5. It won't last a season! TREK ruled supreme. It was "cool" to like it, to admit liking it, and after a while...it was compulsory to like it. Even though....as time went on...it clearly started to decline. Because very quickly, after the end of NEXT GEN, the law of diminishing returns soon took over, didn't it? DS9, as history has shown, would not have existed without Babylon 5. Voyager was Gilligan's Starship. Enterprise violated nearly every aspect of established Trek lore (something the creators seemed to care little about anyway, given increasing disrespect that the first, and best, STAR TREK show got). Generations blew; First Contact was great, but Insurrection and Nemesis were simply wasted opportunities. And now the nail is in the coffin. And the irony couldn't be greater. BABYLON 5 went out at the top of its game after 5 seasons that set out to do what they said they would...tell a novel-length, epic story for TV. Its influence can be felt far and wide. And there is currently a B5 theatrical feature in the works. STAR WARS came back in a BIG way, and though the prequel films have been uneven so far, REVENGE OF THE SITH looks to send it out in grand style. Shows like the X-Files, Stargate, Farscape and Buffy have had passionate fan bases and redefined sci fi TV. Dr Who is returning to the airwaves. Even Xena and Hercules showed you could do fantasy and still have fun. Cinematically, some excellent

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Disabled Pike series

    by Bart of Darkness

    Love the idea. Captain, there are Klingons off the starboard bow. PIKE: Beep! BOYCE: I'm a doctor not a mindreader. PIKE: Beep Beep!

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 1:22 p.m. CST

    As to whether Sci Fi Channel or any other cable outlet might pic

    by williammunny

    I think the only thing that EVERYONE agrees on is that B&B need to go. Seriously is anyone defedning these guys? Is anyone, at all, saying they did a good job with the franchise? It's rare when you have complete agreement on an AICN talkback, but everyone knows these guys must never be associated with Star Trek again. If they did a show like they've done, some plots, same characters, same acting, but without it being a Star Trek show, it wouldn't have lasted one season, let alone four.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 2 p.m. CST

    My suggestion for the next Trek

    by Bart of Darkness

    A mirror universe series, with the return of the Intendent plus plenty of hot girl on girl action.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Its really not dead, as long as we remember it.

    by David Frames

    As someone who finds it hard to imagine a TV land where Trek isn't in production somewhere, I'd have to say that on reflection I think this is the right decision. Its ironic that after 18 continous years on air this thing might be saved by cancellation. Star Trek will be back after a period of hard earned rest and when it does return (I can't see any reason why it shouldn't) it'll hopefully be helmed by new blood with fresh ideas and notions of what NOT to do, cystillised by the miracle of hindsight. Its not that there aren't any more stories out there, its just that Berman, Braga and Co. have forgotten how(or perhaps are unable) to tell them any other way. I'm now going into hibernation until the francaise returns - just a note to the next, er, generation of Trek producers: Be brave, make it fresh - dare to be different and don't forget what the original series was all about. Frames out.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Now Berman can make "The Big Blue Marble: The Next Generation"

    by ComputerGuy68

    Seriously B&B can go F themselves on some other show and leave Star Trek alone. You know it

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Ohh David Frames beat me on the qoute!

    by ComputerGuy68

    Oh well, I will always have my fond memories of Trek

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 2:52 p.m. CST

    UPN timidly went...

    by Belledonna

    where previous shows gone before. My gripe is that they all followed a Star Trek 'formula' which was great when it was new and fresh-but grew lame; They should hire respected writers, and Movie directors instead of the hacks in charge now.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 2:54 p.m. CST

    UPN timidly went...

    by Belledonna

    where previous shows have gone before. My gripe is that they all followed a Star Trek 'formula' which was great when it was new and fresh-but grew lame; They should hire respected writers, and Movie directors instead of the hacks in charge now.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 3:05 p.m. CST

    the best bit

    by andyrew

    "Its been a long road,gettin from there to here.Its been a long road,but my time is finally near. I can feel a change in the wind right now,I can touch the sky and your not goin hold me down ....." god ill miss the song

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Uh, No Trolls Here......

    by Real Deal

    Only serious SciFi lovers..... Uh, huh! Oh Well........ The thing is I some of you think Star Trek will be right bcak reborn. Like I've said TV execs don't really like SF and I don't remember any promises in that letter from UPN.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Media_Gold don't be ridiculous.

    by David Frames

    Doctor Who died because it was hated by the BBC, who effectively saw it as a children's show and scheduled poorly on purpose. Granted, it is ironic that its about to come back just as Trek succumbs to over-flogging but there are a few more parrallels worth looking into. Who ran contiunously (more or less) for 26 but despite producing some of its best ever writing in its last 2 seasons was axed because it had simply fallen off the public radar. Now I'm not saying that Trek is producing its best ever material this year, far fucking from it, but Who does give Trekkies cause for hope. Once it had gone people began to miss it, rediscover it and revaulate it. Its absence was noticed. Not bad for a three decade old series. The same thing will happen to Star Trek. Once its gone for a little while, say a few years, people will start to think of it more fondly - remember it for the often superb TV it was, and once that happens the fanbase will reassert itself. At least poor 'ol Trekkies like me have Who to keep me going until they bring the fucker back with a little heart and a gut of new ideas. It better be good, thats all I'm saying.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Sniff..

    by Nicky Butane

    Goodbye Enterprise.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 4 p.m. CST

    Fluffy, Ape and the rest: Yes. Absolutely. Thank God.

    by SpacePhil

    Yes. Absolutely. Thank God. I wondered if anyone else thought that way. It's like they never thought to address what humanity was actually LIKE in the future. Which is why I'd suggest that if a new Trek series ever happens, it should be set *outside* of Starfleet. Think about it: we've always been shown the future through the viewpoint of characters who are essentially enrolled in a future military. What do those same worlds look like from a civilian's point of view?

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Say what you will about Time Travel, Say what you will about Voy

    by cookylamoo

    But I thought the "Year of Hell" two parter, which employed time manipulation was the high point of that series.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Picard Picard Picard

    by performingmonkey

    Am I the only one who wants to see the continuation (and possible conclusion) of Picard's story? Everyone thinks Nemesis was a piece of shit but I rate it as a good TNG story and a hell of a lot better than anything that could be done with the Enterprise or Voyager crew. We should see how Picard dies. He should go out in a blaze of glory with the TNG by his side, saving the galaxy. Why can't this be done?

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 5:31 p.m. CST

    cookylamoo

    by Bart of Darkness

    Can't argue with that logic. "Year of Hell" parts I and II were amongst the very best of Star Trek.

  • Look I Love Star Trek and Star Wars but The Science Fiction Media(Films Television Shows etc) Needs Something Original!

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Thank god

    by deadend dropout

    That is all.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Funny thing about Year in Hell

    by FluffyUnbound

    It's definitely the best episodes from Voyager, and it's largely because most of it takes place on a different ship with a different captain. The time-ship captain, with his Ahab-like obsessed quest to set the timeline right and see his wife again, was about 100 times more interesting a character than Janeway. He even managed to make Chakotay seem cool.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 6:13 p.m. CST

    cutestoftheborg

    by deadend dropout

    Time to laugh...at least Angel lasted 5 seasons. ;)

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 6:56 p.m. CST

    I really have no faith in Berman and Braga to wrap things up in

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    It will end this way: As Jim Jam said, Russell Watson will appear to sing the show's theme, which we will be told, to our horror, is the official Starfleet song. Watson will be singing this at Trip and T'Pol's wedding ceremony, which Archer will preside over. It will end on a cliffhanger with FutureGuy destroying the timestream of all events that happened/will happen after Enterprise. Thus, TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY will cease to exist. The End.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Let's be clear about one thing: UPN did not cancel Enterprise; L

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    UPN has never had a say in whether Voyager or Enterprise should stay or be cancelled. It was never their call. Toward the end of Voyager's run, the network wanted to be rid of Trek, because it was becoming clear even then that the network's future wasn't going to lay in the young male demographic -- they simply were not pulling in the numbers. (Young males tend to watch shows on cable/satellite networks more.) Most people who work at UPN feel that Trek dragged down the network -- both in terms of money that had to be spent licensing it from its own sister company (Paramount) and promoting it. Last season, UPN wanted Enterprise GONE, but a deal was struck, and that's why UPN banished it to Friday nights. (The fact that UPN had already blown so much money on two seasons of Buffy, with no real appreciable returns, was of no help either.) Now as for what UPN has to replace Enterprise: They don't have anything yet, but the network is considering pilots to produce. And right now we are about to enter pilot production season (it goes into full force in March). So I don't think it was a coincidence that the decision was made to cancel Enterprise this week. It immediately freed up UPN to pursue pilots, and now television ad brokers (of which I work for such an agency) are very interested in what UPN will present to the upfronts this spring, because the network is finally free of its obligation to Trek. UPN also wanted to roll out a brand-new logo, and image campaign last season, but because they had to take another season of Enterprise, they held off on these plans. The fact is, I know that UPN employees out in the West Coast celebrated privately at their favorite bar hangouts after work on the day Enterprise was cancelled -- to them, they had been liberated at last.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Stargate SG1 is Far superior, YES

    by aleroux

    Thank god they put this show out of its misery, now maby Bacula can do the movie Version of Quantum Leap ,,, Stargate Rules,,INDEED.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Now that Ent's dead, my pitch: Star Trek Next Federation

    by kabong

    UFP destroyed by cataclysmic alien invasion. Starfleet reorganizing for resistance against an unknown and implacable enemy species in a galaxy of chaos.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 8:23 p.m. CST

    XINDI to blame... and BUSH!

    by bubcus

    I hated season three. I mean there were some decent episodes, but to have a year long story arc got really annoying. It pissed off everybody (to my knowledge) and we longed to just get back to Vulcans and Andorians. BUILD THE FEDERATION and go into the ROMULAN WAR!!! But nooooooooo, we had rip-off episodes pointing to 28 Days Later, the Bush campaign against Iraq and Terrorism, Wrath of Khan, the ice planet of Roropenteh (sorry about the spelling), etc. It felt like nothing was original and that the talents of the actors was being wasted. Fourth season was great but we were all still bitter over season three. Well, we have the new Battlestar Galactica now to please us with an actual war. Berman really should have thought about doing that Romulan War instead of all that temporal cold war crap. I agree, give Paramount five years to really think about what to do with Trek... we need a break from it.

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 8:58 p.m. CST

    let's have some fun...

    by Anlashok

    I have a theory as to why the inner workings of how the eradication of poverty, strife and war are not more thoroughly explored...they haven't a clue. However, I would be intrigued to hear ideas as to how this could be accomplished, who knows, perhaps the solutions to mankinds problems could be revealed in the most unconventional of places. Who's first?

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 9:19 p.m. CST

    star trek: a utopian paradigm in conflict with our dystopian rea

    by atomheartbrother

    and the dystopian reality won. r.i.p. star trek... at least you'll live on in reruns and on dvd as a reminder of the optimism some people actually had about the future.

  • More like a disgusting bastard child

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 9:38 p.m. CST

    ST isnt dead, just VERY sick...it needs a long rest

    by Bong

    During that time BETTER writers can be hired. ST is great when it has compelling and interesting characters. Why do people still remember the original series? Why are Scotty, Kirk, Spick, etc still quoted today?

  • Feb. 3, 2005, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Not all that surprised...

    by Wungolioth

    I watched a few episodes of Enterprise the first season, enough to keep track of what was going on, but pretty much gave up on it in the second season. I had an idea a few years back that the best thing they could do with the Trek franchise was to create an anthology series, where they could revisit some past Trek history, or create new characters that could potentially spin off into series of their own, or simply return in recurring episodes of the anthology series. They could have explored more storylines that didn't necessarily focus on the Federation. A series like this could have promoted creativity with it's open ended approach. Unfortunately, once they came up with the idea for Enterprise, it pretty much ruined half of the idea(fleshing out Trek history), you just couldn't do it anymore.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 1:13 a.m. CST

    "Fact is, I know that UPN employees out in the West Coast celebr

    by Triumph poops!

    yeah, right. Apparently these no-taste, overpaid, talentless hacks and suits think that "liberation" means they can now pay for the production costs and program more terminally unfunny, ass clenching bullshit that NO ONE watches like "Dumb Ass Ghetto Girls make Jokes" -- oops, I meant shows like "Eve" or "Girlfriends" or whatever the fuck UPN runs thinking it's "hip and urban" and gettin' down with the audience. Apparently, being trendy Hollywood, the bartender at the joint these clueless fucks hang out is lacing their drinks with coke. That might possibly explain why shit-for-brains people like these employees at UPN would think they were now "liberated" all so they could produce more of the laughable crap they have banked on.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Oh well. At least they never brought in the holodeck.

    by truthseekr1488

    Tho' I bet the producers were planning on having an ep where they introduce the inventor of an early holodeck prototype.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 1:49 a.m. CST

    How about TrekWrestling? With decontamination oil of course.

    by HanFiredFirst

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 2:21 a.m. CST

    If it's any consolation cutestofborg...

    by Ktak

    ...at least you were mentioned by name in the above story. Not many talkbackers can boast the same. And I also agree with SpacePhil, Fluffy and Ape about the potential of a non-Starfleet-centric series. If I were responsible for coming up with a new Star Trek series, I'd go with an anthology show like the Outer Limits in which Starfleet is just the common thread that ties all the stories together. It would feature Federation citizens from different worlds around the Alpha Quadrant who either work with or are rescued or assisted by Starfleet. The beauty of this format is that we wouldn't be tied to any one species, planet, Starfleet ship or crew (or cast). Stories can range from full-out military action adventure to small, personal stories exploring life in the 24th centry. For example, everytime I've seen Enterprise or any other ship in spacedock, I've always wondered what life is like for the people who work there. Are they the equivalent of blue collar dockyard workers today? How about an episode dedicated to Starfleet Medical trying to stop a planetary epidemic? How about revisiting the Horta episode from the original series to show the sybiotic society that would have developed between the Horta and Human miners. All the questions we've ever had about the politics, society and economic of the Trek universe could be answered over the course of the series without worrying about series stars' egos how it fits in the ship's "mission." The possibilities would be endless. And as Sky Captain has shown, big impressive fixed sets aren't as necessary as they used to be. If Paramount decides to use this idea, don't forget where you heard it first.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Re: "Disabled Pike Series"

    by John Anderton

    "Captain, there are Klingons off the starboard bow. PIKE: Beep! BOYCE: I'm a doctor not a mindreader. PIKE: Beep Beep!" - - - - Classic man! Classic! LOL! Don't forget to smear shoe polish all over the captain's cheek! (Or was that a parasite?)

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Sorry Wungolioth...

    by Ktak

    ...I guess you beat me to it. I didn't see your post before I put mine up. Great minds DO think alike.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 7:58 a.m. CST

    A Link

    by Real Deal

    If you want to read what respectable web sites like this one " The Digital Bits " are saying about this here's the address : http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 8:19 a.m. CST

    WHUH?

    by Voice O. Reason

    thecutestofborg's a dude? Come on...with a name like that...

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 8:34 a.m. CST

    One More Thing......

    by Real Deal

    I think that STE should have continued at least one more year. When I read things like " I watched Enterprise the first few shows....." or siteing examples from the first season now they just showcase the llow mentality of some of the readership on this forum. As writer Harlan Ellison once said in an interview : " Everyone is entitled to their informed opinion ". Those words have always seemed sensible to me. I still think the detractors here ( if you love SF at all ) should take the advice of Bill Hunt of The Digital Bits and give the last 10 episodes a chance. As he says maybe you'll be sorry it's gone.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 9:09 a.m. CST

    New Series Concept!!!

    by samboe25

    They should to Law & Order: TNG or CSI: The Final Frontier

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 9:19 a.m. CST

    'STAR BOLUX' more like... Praise the Lord - No More Trekkies!!!

    by workshed

    Ever since 'Star Trek: The Movie' this series has been moribund to say the least. Robert Wise was waaaay too good for that turd. 'Twas the first film ever to make me fall asleep at the cinema. And I was on my first date too, completely missing 'first base' as a result.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Let's look at it this way: Add the three seasons of TOS to Enter

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    ENT + TOS = The Magic Trek 7 Seasons

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 11:11 a.m. CST

    oh, darn. and it was so good, too.

    by TV CASUALTY

    whatever.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Long Post ahead, move along, move along home. Real Deal and Cute

    by Electric_Monk

    It has become apparent to me that for some who post here, I'm a troll because my opinion of Star Trek is radically different from, say Real Deal or Cutesofborg. I'm 42, which means I've been watching Trek since the reruns began in the 70's and saw The Animated Series when it first aired. I was also one the first few in line to see the first motion picture in 1979. But pedigree aside, I believe (ego here) that I have a definite opinion of the direction this franchise is taking. Trek is not perfect. As a matter fact, no TV series is perfect. But Trek has had a consistent record of memorable stories. True after 500 plus episodes, the odds are that some episodes are sucky and others brilliant. Still, again, I use the word consistent to say between TOS, TNG and DS9 (about 433 episodes) most were very good to very memorable. However, beginning with VOY and now ENT, those memorable episodes became less and less. They tilted towards the stories that plagued the last season of TOS after Roddenberry was forced out. Out the last 260 episodes or so, how many stories can be considered memorable and worthy of the Trek legend? Its not to say VOY sucked completely -it did have some good stories -but it was ham strung by the bad acting of Kate Mulgrew and a production crew (i.e. Rick Berman and Brannon Braga) who did not even believe its central premise. Former writers have come forward over the last few years that have supported this. Writers like Michael Piller, who basically blamed VOY's below normal ratings on the fact the show focused too much on the "high concept" episodes. "The whole idea of exploring space is a metaphor for exploring ourselves," told Cinefantastique's Anna L. Kaplan. "When Voyager did that, I think it did very well. I think the Seven of Nine stories gave us some insight into humanity and the meaning of humanity that the series sorely wanted. It had its moments. But when it did the exploding spaceships and space-monsters and so forth, the problem is that that's what everybody does in science fiction. I have always encouraged the writers to try to find the human elements, the moral and ethical dilemmas. I think there was less an appetite for that after I left. I think in a sense that there were some people who felt, again trying to explain the ratings issue, that that was an ambition that was too lofty for a broad-based audience." And Bryan Fuller talked about the "temporal reset button" in Starlog: "Voyager explored the same facets of the same characters, and that was because of its layout. So there was a magical, candy-like reset button at the end of every episode. You didn't really see how the characters grew from any given situation." The exception, Fuller admits, was Seven of Nine and the Doctor. "They kept growing. Although Janeway struggled with her command, you still knew that she was a risk taker and would do what she had to do. You knew that. And Tuvok, within an episode, would change. But by the end, he would settle back down to who he was. That's no much fun. It's not fun for the audience, and it's not fun for the creators. You keep getting caught in the same loop." And, of course, Ronald D. Moore at IGN Filmforce…"(VOY) needed somebody who stood up and said, 'This is my vision of the show and we're going to break all the rules with this one.' Because that's what Deep Space did. Deep Space said, 'We're going to break all the rules, and we're not going to care… because it's STAR TREK!' Because it's Star Trek, you're being given a gift. Here's the gift of a multi-year run. Here's the gift of an audience. Here's the gift of big market share. Here's a gift where the network and the studio are basically going to leave you alone. So take it and run with it! Do something gray. Push it. Make a fantastic show. Voyager just became safe. It's like, 'Okay, we know we're on the other side of the galaxy, and we know we're on this ship with all these Maquis – but we're all gonna wear the uniforms, and the ship's not going to get dirty, and we're all going to play nice.' And just bit by bit, it sucks all the juice out of it and becomes a very safe." While some would argue these are just disgruntled former employee's, there is a thread of truth running through them. But all those above quotes can be applied to ENT, as history is repeating itself. Maybe syndication was where the show should've stayed. Because then, the show could take risks. Network run Star Trek is boring and predictable as an episode of CSI and Law & Order. With visual effects and an over reliance on sexuality (maybe from my gay man's point of view) that are replacing, instead of being a service to, the story. Then again, no matter how good the story, one cannot overlook the bad acting of Scott Bakula. Like Mulgrew, as a leader, he lacks the charisma of Shatner, and the ability to convey a feeling through a look like Patrick Stewart and Avery Brooks. And again, I think -at least in the first 3 seasons - ENT did not understand it's central premise. True, as many have pointed out, the first few seasons of both TNG and DS9 had issues. VOY, for the most, was actually better in it's first three years. So, in its fourth year, ENT has finally found solid ground. But because of VOY, because of the first three years, because of network sense abilities, this show has not found the audience it deserves. Realistically, Trek needs to put some distance between the last two TV series and movie and Berman and Braga. Taken as a whole, yes, Star Trek has survived many pitfalls. But on the dark side of that whole, exists the people with a short memory. The bean counters that run CBS/UPN only see what Trek is doing today. And by all current standards, it is failing. A lot of people here know what the reason why. Sure they're more choices, more channels, but that's the simplistic reason the show's ratings have nose-dived. The over all quality of the story (not the production values) has been boiled down to nothing. And because some of us point this out, we are called trolls. I think that is unfair. I may have an ego as big as the Earth, but I do know when I right. And while a year ago I was predicting the end of ENT, I was surprised (and now a bit delighted) that the show got picked up. Still, there is a part of brain that wants the show to go on, but there is a part that is saying, "let it go." I could be wrong again, but I have a feeling we'll know the fate of a fifth season long before May. I like what Coto has been doing, but I also want the people at ENT (ego ahead, again) to say this show is a prequel to TOS only in name, because this show is taking place in a parallel universe. I know the Many World Theory has been shot down, but I guess I would feel this is more logical to except. How bad could it be to acknowledge that since Star Trek: First Contact (because it's the only realistic way to explain the ENT Borg episode Regeneration), the whole universe of Trek jumped onto an alternate road of time? I rather have this, than some St. Elsewhere ending where this all takes place in a story Captain Riker tells to his children (a stretch, I know, but you get my point). Real Deal -as Kirk said in STII -keep on quoting regulations and going by the book. You have a passion, just as much as I do (by this goddamn long post, no less). I just see TV -not only Star Trek - shifting into dangerous waters where safe, predictable dramas (and comedies) are the norm and where risk taking and flawed heroes are seen as negative, unrealistic and too expensive. Lost has revived many of Trek's better stuff, even while being ham strung by certain bad actors. It's the story first, and a believable central premise. Find that, and Star Trek will return to be the ratings winner it can and should be.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Not disappointed

    by Mafu

    I'm a fan of science fiction, and I've watched many episodes of "Star Trek" over the years. But I haven't watched an episode of any "Star Trek" series since about 1996. I just can't stomach the childishness of it anymore. The writers of "Star Trek" are quality writers, but the 1960s flavor of the Star Trek universe just hinders any groundbreaking stories from emerging from their pens (or fingers on their keyboards). Photon torpedos? Warp drive? The technologies are simplistic and silly, despite what Trek fans might say, and the show completely ignores breakthroughs in technology that are occuring as I write this. Trek is boring and overly simplistic, in my opinion, even though it may have been cutting-edge back in the 1960s. I'm tired of retro-thinking science fiction. I'm glad "Enterprise" is crashing and burning. Bring on the new "Battlestar Galactica," the best science fiction show on television. Let "Star Trek" die in peace.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Don't worry Ktak...

    by Wungolioth

    You actually articulated the idea better than I did, it IS as if you picked out the bits I left out from my head. Pretty scary, actually.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Should have been cancelled long time ago after 3initial shitty s

    by Spacesheik

    Rick berman has trule destroyed STAR TREK in ALL its incarnations.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 1:44 p.m. CST

    But what can replace Star Trek??

    by cookylamoo

    I recently broken down and bought the Complete series of Firefly. Here's a show that had a great premise, sharp characterizations, snappy dialogue, and there wasn't a rubber forehead in sight. But still, it bombed. Sure you can blame Fox and it's reverse Midas touch, but aside from sex in space travesties like Lexx and Farscape, does anyone have anything better. Of course, I haven't watched Galactica.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Career choices

    by jtp8000

    No one on that show will ever have anything to do with a TV show after being inolved in this shit. Berman and Braga can now go back to flipping burgers at McDonalds. I know that Connor Trineer and Anthony Montgomery are working there already because they know they will never get another acting job after any casting agent sees their work on Enterprise. Linda Park and Jolene Blaylock are appearing at The Penthouse club doing a lesbo act because other than showing their tits they will never another acting job. And Scott Backula and Dominick Keating are opening an interior design business together after coming out.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 2:22 p.m. CST

    "What can replace Star Trek??" How about getting a life?

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    Zing!

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I don't agree with Ancient Light, but his words made me consider

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    Kind of pathetic, though, that the best writing on this site is found on the TalkBack forums, and not within the news listings these days. :-\

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 2:54 p.m. CST

    For All Trek Detractors

    by Real Deal

    You guys don't get what just happened do you. If I'm right Trek won't be back any time soon if ever. Also SF on TV is shrinking so if your part of the " Get a life crowd " and could care less about it I really don't even know why you're posting on this thread. Also at " The Digital Bits " they echoed my sentiment that SF on TV is in trouble. After many golden years ( the late 80's and early 90's ) of a glut of SF TV ( some really good some not so good but alot ) it's slowly being replaced by cheaply made reality crap. You know the kind of show where you don't need talent to make it. I believe next on the chopping block will be SG1 followed by it's sister show Atlantis. Also if you think the new galactica is immune to being canceled for dumb reasons just ask the fans of Farscape. TV execs don't really care about what their fans want. Just like when a store rearranges their fixtures ( the theory being that you'll walk by more merchandise and buy more ) the store cares about profit. So it is with TV. They don't care about what you want or art they just care about the bottom line. It's just business. Because STE is gone isn't a reason to celebrate. It's one more causualty. Perhaps the saddest since it was Star Trek that gave us this recent SF trend on TV.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 3:45 p.m. CST

    oh boy

    by ScaryJim

    Bring back quantum leap - you know it makes sense , they can make sam beckett this total bitter old bastard who's fed up of helping people and just lets them die etc ...

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Wil Wheaton saves UPN

    by millermeusa

    We need to bring back William Crusher in his own series!!! Crusher and Q team up to find Waldo on Romulus!!!

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Test

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Do you guys go to funerals just so you can piss on the corpse?

    by cookylamoo

    All right. Have fun watching stupid black sitcoms and reality shows. And think about how wonderful it is that Trek is off the air.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Ancient Lights

    by Electric_Monk

    You are right about Gene Roddenberry. Ron Moore, in his interview with IGN Film Force, was asked about the problems getting around Roddenberry's ideals. IGNFF: When you look at Deep Space Nine, the stories that were told there – it's almost like it was a direct reaction to how the characters had to be used on Next Gen… MOORE: I think that's fair. I think that's a fair statement. I think Michael wanted Next Generation to become more character oriented in the third season, and it became more about the family of characters, and each of the characters getting defined and redefined. Making the show ultimately about them was a very key and important decision. But we were still operating, for quite awhile, under "These people have no flaws." IGNFF: Which was Gene's edict, right? MOORE: Which was Gene's thing. I don't know how Gene got on that particular hobbyhorse, because Gene was a writer from way back and he knows better. I think on some level, the franchise – in the interim years between the original series and the return of Next Generation to television – all the fan adulation and sort of pop cultural phenomena… people started calling Gene a utopian and that he was a "visionary of the future," and that he "saw mankind as IT REALLY SHOULD BE." And on some level, Gene started to believe that. IGNFF: So he was very Lucasian… MOORE: Yeah. And the show became, on some level, upholding the mantle of "the vision of how good humanity could be" – as opposed to "Let's tell some good stories in Star Trek." IGNFF: Just being about how human beings really are… MOORE: Yeah. And that was a difficult thing. Even after Gene was gone, the last couple of years on Next Gen we started to really try and break against those, and roughen up the characters and make them make mistakes, and have flaws and things that were not perfect, and introduce conflict amongst them. IGNFF: But Michael believed in that "ideal" premise, right? MOORE: He took it on as, "That what was Gene believed – therefore we will uphold it." It's not really the way he would design a show, it really wasn't the way he thought the show would work best, but he felt an obligation that "this is what was important to Gene, and so we will hew to that code." And then we as writers would connive and conspire to do everything we possibly could to find a way around it, because it was shackles. It was difficult to work under that kind of idea.*****************So this was the problem I had with Trek in the later years. And Real is correct about the fate of Sci Fi. It is endangered, if only because every publically traded company has become hostage to their investors. It's all about earnings and margins. And it's all about now. Trek -as a commodity -was no longer a good buy. And, these days, no matter what your pedigree, if you don't make money now, then you're doomed. Yeah, its a little glass is half full, but its reality.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 6:46 p.m. CST

    FIRE BERMAN TOO!!!! Bring Back TOS Already!!!!

    by radii314

    Fire Berman and don't let him or Braga near Star Trek again!!! Bring back TOS with younger actors and put sex, and danger and action back into the show and get rid of the hippie political correctness already. About damn time!!!!

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Ancient Light: Yeah I made a cutdown, saying that the quality of

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    And the gods have spoken and smit'ed.

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Jim Jam Bongs...

    by Strabo

    Hey, you know, your joke was almost correct. The writing in this Talkback is better than the shit Berman, Braga, and Coto have been turning out. I admit, last week's episode wasn't bad...or at least, it wouldn't have been if the story hadn't already been done over thirty years ago...

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Galactica saves the day....

    by cooper2000

    Bout time and thank god we have the new Battlestar to wash the bad taste our of our mouth. Isn't it ironic that Ron Moore was forced out of the writing staff of Voyager by Berman and Braga only to pen his own successful show and have it put on opposite Enterprise to help it die.

  • LONG LIVE DOCTOR WHO! WHOOOHHOOOO! IT'S RETURNING IN A FEW WEEKS!!!

  • Feb. 4, 2005, 10:29 p.m. CST

    For The Record.....

    by Real Deal

    Galactica was never opposite Star Trek. Stargate was. Geez!

  • Feb. 5, 2005, 5:55 a.m. CST

    cookylamoo

    by Sithlord_999

    It's not pissing on the corpse, really- this 'Star Trek' series was as hated by sci-fi fans as Mussolini was to the Italians in April 28, 1945- we are enjoying beating the living crap out of this rotten stinking corpse- and waiting to see who will kick it so hard it's mashed head will fall off. FUCK ENTERPRISE. I am fucking glad this shitfest is fucking cancelled.

  • Feb. 5, 2005, 8:25 a.m. CST

    the answer to the aicn question: who are the bigger wankers: the

    by atomheartbrother

    and the answer is clearly the trek haters; actually it's always the haters. the good news for the wankers at least is that they can get one last good wank on the remains of trek before they commence the all out wanking over episode 3. can the wanker's cranks handle all that vicious serial wanking? only time will tell...

  • Feb. 5, 2005, 9:08 a.m. CST

    OK, So you got your wish, the show is toast.

    by cookylamoo

    Except I really enjoyed Friday Night's episode, watching old Jeffery Combs chewing on the bulkheads as is his want to do. So Enterprise is over. Good. Instead of gloating, which accomplishes jack and shit, Trekfans should look to the next series, hopefully with Combs as the captain and no B&B. It's these people who want the franchise to "lay fallow" for years or to NEVER return that get my antenna in a bunch. Is "laying fallow" what made Galactica good? Of course not. They just went out a hired a good writer. Paramont, The audience is waiting, and if you give them a good Trek series they'll watch it. But please, no more of these "comic book guys" saying, "I never watched Star Trek because it was totally beneath me. It is shit. The franchise should die." I say, if you didn't watch the fucking shows, then your opinion means nothing so piss off. Sorry about the "stupid black sitcoms remark." From watching the promos Friday night it's obvious that UPN has plenty of "stupid white sitcoms" as well. But since I've never watched "Veronica Mars", I'll refrain from saying it's crap and that it should be cancelled, never to return.

  • Feb. 5, 2005, 11:26 a.m. CST

    What Next Series?

    by Real Deal

    And as far as kicking the dead well if you love SF on TV as I do you're cutting your own throat. Oh well. Lie I said the numbers are shrinking boys and girls. If you don't believe me just keep watching although you should have had enough proof by now. I just don't believe SG1 can make it without RDA and the regular cast. Why do you think Shanks came back? As far as Atlantis goes it has some promise but it's stll really young and unproven that it can stand without it's sister show. That leaves Galactica which is riding high right now but how many shows have you seen do that just to get chopped because of a change in the powers that be and it doesn't fit their new demographic. You do the math. There's a very bad trend here and you guys are making it worse by pissing on dead shows because you think it makes you look cool and with the crowd.

  • Feb. 5, 2005, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Last Night's Episode : " United "

    by Real Deal

    I also enjoyed last nights episode. Jeffery Combs is always a pleasure to watch. I think I like him better as an Andorian than any of his other incarnations. Really good effects with that Romulan prototype! I just hope they get a chance to show the beginning of the federation and a decent goodbye before the curtin.

  • Feb. 5, 2005, 1:20 p.m. CST

    For Cookylamoo and the Rest

    by Real Deal

    Let me make myself clear. It's not that I don't want there to be another Star Trek show it's just that I don't have faith that there will be one. The letter from UPN said 3 years. A lot of people are saying 10. That's a long time. I'll be 62 years old by then and alot of you will be middle aged or old like me. I wonder if the interest will hold up over that period of time. This is what I was afraid of happening. Instead of trying to fix Enterprise, letting it run it's 7 year course, and ending on a high note it was cut short ( just as it was showing real improvement ) by the whim of UPN and the weight of the mindless Trek bashers. Well it's pretty clear that Trek won't be right back. It'll be a while. I just hope it isn't too long. In the mean time Galactica might be like Babylon 5 " Our last best hope ". If Stargate and Atlantis still shine more power to them! It's just that looking at what's happening ( you know the big picture ) I don't have a lot of faith in it turning around right now. It's not that my life revolves around TV it's just that if you were like me you were really enjoying the renaissance of SF programing. You know actually something to watch that stimulated instead of nauseated. Also like I've said if you think TV is bad now........ I've seen a time back in the 70's where if you liked SF there was few and really far between for you to watch. That's why I say stop with the Enterprise bashing already! It's dead. Do you really think you're increasing the chances of a future ST series by doing that? Or any other SF series for that matter. Hmmmm?

  • Feb. 5, 2005, 3:12 p.m. CST

    To all you Enterprise complainers who call for Trek TOS but with

    by Rolling_Stone

    2 episodes already in the can and free to download.

  • Feb. 5, 2005, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Harlan Ellison

    by tensticks

    Real Deal made an interest point, quoting Harlan Ellison's long stated belief that people are NOT entitled to an opinion; people are entitled to an INFORMED opinion. Meaning, don't spout your mouth off without knowing as much as you possibly can about what you are spouting ABOUT, from every angle. (No wonder he and JMS are friends!) And EVERY sci fi fan should read even the INTRO to his book containing the script of CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER. All of which makes me wonder....what does Ellison think of ENT's cancellation? It'd be interesting and amusing....

  • Feb. 5, 2005, 11:27 p.m. CST

    He'd say "The Cheese Stands Alone."

    by cookylamoo

  • Feb. 6, 2005, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Well, I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.

    by Sith Lord Sauron

    As I predicted back in the day I knew Enterprise wouldn't make seven seasons and I was right. Sad that they canned it just as it was starting to get better but the fact is, this show should have been good from the start. Hiring decent writers and letting these guys (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/sfmuseum/index.htm) do the set/ship designs would have saved them. As it was, they went the lazy way out and it showed. Most series with Enterprise' ratings get cancelled inside of one month, hell, one *week* oftentimes. As it is, B&B had a hell of a lot of slack from the getgo and they wasted it. More fool them, and pity the fans. As I mentioned once years ago: one of the origional ideas for a new post-Voyager series was supposed to be something like a Federation Force Recon or a Navy SEALS; a group of elite Special Forces that traveled throughout the galaxy defusing galactic trouble-spots and doing undercover work behind potentially hostile lines. They would have been facing down Dominion holdouts, conspiracies from within the Federation itself, enemy spies, pirates and the like. This would have been SO much better then Enterprise as a concept that it's not even funny, especially considering what has happened since in real life (9/11, The Afghan & Iraq wars, the tensions with Iraq and North Korea, etc). I still wonder if this isn't somewhere in the pipeline since B&B have clearly failed with Enterprise. Fire them, hire new writers and then a year from now unleash "Star Trek: Force Recon." Heck, use the old Enterprise cast if you want to - there was nothing wrong with the *actors;* it's just that they had nothing to work with.

  • Feb. 6, 2005, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Whoops! Make that "tensions with *Iran* and North Korea."

    by Sith Lord Sauron

    Off to bed now. . .

  • Feb. 6, 2005, 2:14 a.m. CST

    How 'bout Star Trek on Ice? A touring production w/stars from al

    by HanFiredFirst

  • Feb. 6, 2005, 3:34 a.m. CST

    "United" was F-IN amazing. Everything you ever wanted in a Trek

    by Tall_Boy

    Yah, so much better than the Vulcan or Eugenics arc. While the show is ending, its nice to see they're moving on thier way to the founding of the Federation ... something that shoulda been done earlier. Ah well, this episode ruled, hard.

  • Feb. 6, 2005, 4:49 p.m. CST

    A Very Crazy Idea...but it may work!

    by thevision

    I've read a very interesting posting in trek today. Don't want to say anymore, just go to www.trektoday.com then click trek bbs, go to the "Let fans pay for Season 5!" thread. Again, a verrrry long shot, but it may work!

  • Feb. 7, 2005, 3:49 a.m. CST

    "Fixing" Enterprise

    by Bart of Darkness

    <<Instead of trying to fix Enterprise, letting it run it's 7 year course, and ending on a high note it was cut short ( just as it was showing real improvement ) by the whim of UPN>>. Surely the dismally low ratings (and their failure to improve despite the improvements in the show) was the deciding factor. UPN are a business first and formost, not a community of laid-back Beatniks!

  • Feb. 7, 2005, 8:36 a.m. CST

    But Bart......

    by Real Deal

    If you ask most of the critics out there the show did improve! People just didn't watch probably because of the way it was in the first 2 years and bad press ( word of mouth ) that wasn't up to date. The fact remains even some of it's biggest critics like IGN said it was worth watching because it had " improve ". I can link to the artcles if you wish.

  • Feb. 7, 2005, 8:38 a.m. CST

    And Yes Bart

    by Real Deal

    I know it was a business decision. What do you think some of my last posts have been about?

  • Feb. 7, 2005, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Figures, they cancel it and a GOOD episode airs!!

    by Drath

    "United" was actually pretty damned good! I'm sorry ENT only got 4 years when shitty Voyager got 7. That's what hurts most about this. ENT never lost it's potential to get better. Course, one could say it was never ever going to realize that potential. I was still optimistic, until this. I don't know, it's not a surprise as all last week there were signs and omens pointing to this inevitability. I thought they ought to at least get five years, but the ratings weren't improving. Why is Stargate doing better than Trek? Well for one thing, it's newer. A lot of fans didn't see it until it came to the Sci-Fi Channel for its sixth season. Also, it's funnier. The characters are a little more charming. Also, I don't think many people expect much from it. It's light, predictable fluff TV. Enterprise should be striving to be better than that, and it's not right now. I think a rest could do it good...I'm just not sure it WILL do it good. It could come back worse than ever.