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Star Trek: Enterprise 4.12 FAQ
What’s it called?
“Babel One.”
Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to Mike Sussman (“Twilight,” “E2,” “Home,” “The Augments,” “Ki’shara”) and Andre Bormanis (“Awakening”).
What does TV Guide say?
“While escorting a Tellarite ambassador to a neutral planet for a peace conference with the Andorians, the Enterprise is attacked after answering a distress call from Shran.”
What is TV Guide not telling us?
Despite the title, the Enterprise does not make it to Babel this week.
Any forward motion on the Trip-T’Pol front?
A bit. T’Pol gets word that her divorce from Koss is final, but Trip expresses little interest in doing anything about it. “I should have known better,” Trip confesses to Reed as they sneak around a Romulan warship. “Getting involved with a fellow officer. There’s nothing going on between us anymore if you’re interested.”
The big news?
In the first act, we learn from Hoshi that Tellarites have little use for beings who don’t know how to insult them properly.
The bigger news?
Talas, the ridiculously hot Andorian lieutenant from last season’s “Proving Ground,” is back. She’s now Shran’s girlfriend, and good enough to strip down to a halter-top and short-shorts for our Friday-night viewing enjoyment.
The biggest news?
Demands the invisotext. It turns out the Romulans, fearful of an Andorian-Tellarite alliance, have been busy plotting to violently destabilize relations between the two species.
How does it end, spoiler-boy?
Trip and Reed breach the Romulan bridge as their pointy-eared foes look on.
8 p.m. Friday. UPN.
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“Babel One.”
Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to Mike Sussman (“Twilight,” “E2,” “Home,” “The Augments,” “Ki’shara”) and Andre Bormanis (“Awakening”).
What does TV Guide say?
“While escorting a Tellarite ambassador to a neutral planet for a peace conference with the Andorians, the Enterprise is attacked after answering a distress call from Shran.”
What is TV Guide not telling us?
Despite the title, the Enterprise does not make it to Babel this week.
Any forward motion on the Trip-T’Pol front?
A bit. T’Pol gets word that her divorce from Koss is final, but Trip expresses little interest in doing anything about it. “I should have known better,” Trip confesses to Reed as they sneak around a Romulan warship. “Getting involved with a fellow officer. There’s nothing going on between us anymore if you’re interested.”
The big news?
In the first act, we learn from Hoshi that Tellarites have little use for beings who don’t know how to insult them properly.
The bigger news?
Talas, the ridiculously hot Andorian lieutenant from last season’s “Proving Ground,” is back. She’s now Shran’s girlfriend, and good enough to strip down to a halter-top and short-shorts for our Friday-night viewing enjoyment.
The biggest news?
Demands the invisotext. It turns out the Romulans, fearful of an Andorian-Tellarite alliance, have been busy plotting to violently destabilize relations between the two species.
How does it end, spoiler-boy?
Trip and Reed breach the Romulan bridge as their pointy-eared foes look on.
8 p.m. Friday. UPN.
Looking for bumper stickers, plush toys and girls’ underwear covered with cute cartoon double-amputees? Visit The Herc Store!
“While escorting a Tellarite ambassador to a neutral planet for a peace conference with the Andorians, the Enterprise is attacked after answering a distress call from Shran.”
What is TV Guide not telling us?
Despite the title, the Enterprise does not make it to Babel this week.
Any forward motion on the Trip-T’Pol front?
A bit. T’Pol gets word that her divorce from Koss is final, but Trip expresses little interest in doing anything about it. “I should have known better,” Trip confesses to Reed as they sneak around a Romulan warship. “Getting involved with a fellow officer. There’s nothing going on between us anymore if you’re interested.”
The big news?
In the first act, we learn from Hoshi that Tellarites have little use for beings who don’t know how to insult them properly.
The bigger news?
Talas, the ridiculously hot Andorian lieutenant from last season’s “Proving Ground,” is back. She’s now Shran’s girlfriend, and good enough to strip down to a halter-top and short-shorts for our Friday-night viewing enjoyment.
The biggest news?
Demands the invisotext. It turns out the Romulans, fearful of an Andorian-Tellarite alliance, have been busy plotting to violently destabilize relations between the two species.
How does it end, spoiler-boy?
Trip and Reed breach the Romulan bridge as their pointy-eared foes look on.
8 p.m. Friday. UPN.
Looking for bumper stickers, plush toys and girls’ underwear covered with cute cartoon double-amputees? Visit The Herc Store!
A bit. T’Pol gets word that her divorce from Koss is final, but Trip expresses little interest in doing anything about it. “I should have known better,” Trip confesses to Reed as they sneak around a Romulan warship. “Getting involved with a fellow officer. There’s nothing going on between us anymore if you’re interested.”
The big news?
In the first act, we learn from Hoshi that Tellarites have little use for beings who don’t know how to insult them properly.
The bigger news?
Talas, the ridiculously hot Andorian lieutenant from last season’s “Proving Ground,” is back. She’s now Shran’s girlfriend, and good enough to strip down to a halter-top and short-shorts for our Friday-night viewing enjoyment.
The biggest news?
Demands the invisotext. It turns out the Romulans, fearful of an Andorian-Tellarite alliance, have been busy plotting to violently destabilize relations between the two species.
How does it end, spoiler-boy?
Trip and Reed breach the Romulan bridge as their pointy-eared foes look on.
8 p.m. Friday. UPN.
Looking for bumper stickers, plush toys and girls’ underwear covered with cute cartoon double-amputees? Visit The Herc Store!
Talas, the ridiculously hot Andorian lieutenant from last season’s “Proving Ground,” is back. She’s now Shran’s girlfriend, and good enough to strip down to a halter-top and short-shorts for our Friday-night viewing enjoyment.
The biggest news?
Demands the invisotext. It turns out the Romulans, fearful of an Andorian-Tellarite alliance, have been busy plotting to violently destabilize relations between the two species.
How does it end, spoiler-boy?
Trip and Reed breach the Romulan bridge as their pointy-eared foes look on.
8 p.m. Friday. UPN.
Looking for bumper stickers, plush toys and girls’ underwear covered with cute cartoon double-amputees? Visit The Herc Store!
Trip and Reed breach the Romulan bridge as their pointy-eared foes look on.
8 p.m. Friday. UPN.
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Jan 28, 2005 2:20:08 AM CST
Why do you post about the Trip/T'Pol stuff? I think its pretty
by tall_boy
I, along with about 95% of Enterprise's regular watchers (all half a dozen of us), didn't dig the Trip/T'Pol stuff. Well, ok, we got an ass shot of her & lots of skimpy clothes. Good stuff. But, yah, aside from the significant T&A it really didn't work. Its gone man. Maybe you should stop including it in your ENT updates. I think you're the only person who liked it anyway.
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Didn't they establish in the very first series that there was no visual contact with the Romulans until Kirk faced them?
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Uncle Sam - Given all the other established continuity that Enterprise has seen fit to ignore why should you be surprised if Reed and Trip see a Romulan?
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The romulans look on, doesnt that even slightly hint to you that the themselves never see the romulans but the romulans do see them.
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Looks to be a good episode!
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Jan 28, 2005 8:33:12 AM CST
Trip talks about his non-love life while exploring an advanced a
by drath
That seems like a strange setting for true confessions. I guess it's for the better, they've seemed pretty clueless about what to do with that almost-affair for a year. I wish they had surprised me though.
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Jan 28, 2005 9:14:34 AM CST
If "Enterprise" had done more episodes like this in the first th
by voice o. reason
Like the Vulcan arc, THIS is the kind of stuff I'd hoped for when the announced they were doing the show.
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...I'll watch this episode to see if it's worth watching the whole arc (as I have with a lot of this season). But it sure does sound like a rip off of "Journey to Babel" from TOS season 2 with shades of "Balance of Terror" from season 1. I'm not saying it will suck, because I haven't seen it yet and it could be good, but the Eugenics arc didn't leave me confident that Coto can make prequel-style episodes that are at all original or relevant (although he can, apparently, do them without fucking up established continuity as much as Berman and Braga did every time they put their fingers to the keyboard).
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Jan 28, 2005 10:22:42 AM CST
So now that's the Ferengi, the Borg, the Mirror Universe, the Or
by the nihilist
...sigh. Did B & B ever bother to actually WATCH any Star Trek all those years they were producing the shows? Let's review: When did TNG do it's best work? The Borg episodes. When did DS9 do it's best work? The Dominion story arc. Continuity is all well and good, but Star Trek is best when the writers actually get off their lazy laurels and come up with ORIGINAL concepts. And while I like continuity, I don't like this awkward reverse-continuity, where the writers borrow from concepts that shouldn't have been invented yet and then have to come up with clumsy plot devices to explain why subsequent generations acted so surprised when they met these concepts later, if they bother to explain it at all. I'm just going to keep repeating it: Cancel this POS, give it a rest for a few years, then come back with a new show set in a post-TNG timeframe and, more importantly, with a new creative team.
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Could they possibly have the Borg of this era ever show up looking for the other Borg who sent the signal in that one ep? It would be cool to see a Borg race that was just starting to think about assimilation, or maybe going with assimilation of other species because they felt the need to be stronger or something due to some sort of presure from another race always being on them. Here is the cool song "Borgasm" by Warp 11 that is going to be on their new concept albulm! www.warp11.com, Borgasm
Ass ass
Ass ass assimilate
Resistance is futile so why wait
To get it on
Get it on with the master race
Our wires in your body
And our tubes right in your face
Beam beam
Beam you into my cube
Wire up
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Jan 28, 2005 11:19:27 AM CST
What's the point of watching this show when we've got Battlestar
by aceattorney
huh?
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Please, God, no. History's already been rewritten enough as it is. That Voyager episode where 7 of 9's parents went looking for the Borg years before we were supposed to know they exist was bad enough.
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Hey, Real Deal. Ask your questions and I'll see if I can answer them. Anyway, with the up coming Mirror Darkly two-parter that has the the USS Defiant from the TOS episode The Tholian Web appearing, I more or less believe this series exists in parallel universe. A universe where the timeline has unfolded differently. Where people, places, and events are the same, but are unfolding in a completely different manner.It's the Many Worlds Theory and is Trek's only saving grace to explain all those pesky continuty errors. Of course nothing explains why show - which Real Deal is convinced is fabulous -is not bring the ratings in to get a fifth season. Please explain that.
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Having been out of the TV industry for more than seven years now (and having no real interest in how it works or doesn't anymore) I am curious: How has the age of DVR (TiVo or other) impacted the way ratings are calculated? Has it at all? I mean, more people are recording their shows to watch at their leisure than ever before. Some are even watching one show while recording up to two others. And, with all the communications involved in your average DVR package, I'm certain there is some way to determine who's recording what and when. But since DVR enthusiasts generally fast forward through the commercials, do those recordings "count" in the ratings (which really exist primarily to let advertisers know what their best bets are)? The whole landscape of TV is so dramatically different now than when I got out, I really do wonder what ratings even mean anymore.
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First off the "Romulan Ship" in question isnt a rommi ship, its a raider used by the romulans to cause problems and friction. The thing is piloted by a new race though, one who lives on Andoria but is like a myth to andorians or something in that regard. BUT they are very suseptable to telepathy which is how the rommies are controling them. The rommies themselves are never on the ship so the crew never does see them (which is how a lot of fannon looks at the romulan war, that the Romulans never did the dirty work of spying and sabotage but let weaker races it controls do it for them sorta like the dominion)
As for the mirror universe they crew will never meet them, its a self contained two parter dealing with the crew from the mirror uiniverse meeting up with a long lost Defiant from TOS which was brought there by the Tholians who apparently can switch universes at will or something. And yes we will see the defiant they have rebuilt all the TOS sets for it and pictures have been up for a week now. But the crew from the normal universe will never be seen its purely self contained in the mirror universe -
The point is we need more shows like this on TV besides Battlestar Galactica ( a fine show )to get some relief from the reality show crap out there.
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I'm not convinced this is a parallel reality. Little has been written about this time period and so far they really haven't crossed the line yet. I mean if you read everyones version of ST history ( since there's no official version ) it's really difficult to tell how these events unfolded. As far as the ratings go I'd chalk that up to bad press ( mostly from the bashers ). It's too bad but once there's so much momentum behind the bad press for a show it's difficult to change that. If I'm wrong give me an example.
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Actually, Friday night is where all sci-fi shows go to die. . .
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You're right, critical bashing (by both professional and fans) can kill a movie or a TV show. And since the heydays of Voyager, the professional critics have been tearing the franchise apart. Then you add on the serious fans looking for Star Trek like TOS, TNG and DS9 where characterization was important - a Star Trek series that became more about the family of characters, and how each of the characters were getting defined and redefined. Making the show ultimately about them is the very key to those shows success. It was the roughening up the characters and to have them make mistakes, and have flaws and do things that were not perfect, and introduce conflict amongst them. That's what missing with Voyager and ENT. TOS did not have perfect people,Ron Moore told IGN Filmforce. "Spock and McCoy were at each other's throats for big chunks of time, and sometimes McCoy thought Kirk was an idiot. They were flawed people. Kirk had quite an ego and arrogance to him, and sometime it cuts him short. The problem is, you couldn't do a show like "Errand of Mercy" on Next Gen – where Kirk says, "We're at war, and I'm a soldier, not a diplomat." And at the end of the piece, he kind of goes, "Wow… Look what I was doing. I was so focused on fighting my enemy, the Klingons, and then these aliens had to sort of show me a thing or two." And he learns a lesson. It's a great, classic episode." But I digress. Negative reviews, however, don't mean a show won't be successful or a movie. How many movies have been torn to shreds by critics, yet have done great at the boxoffice, like last weeks Are We There Yet? Yes, the scope of TV has changed in 18 years, but sometimes doing what you did best still works. Star Trek was one program that did not need a radical change. But that's what happened, and the fans and the ctitics took note of that. Plus, since Berman and Braga went out of their ways many times over the years to say "Hey, we're listening to the fans", in reality the ones they are listening to are the ones who want sequel episodes with Q or the Borg, or want characters to crossover or want half-naked Orion women so they can get their new masturbation fantasy. Originality and a look at the deepest parts of our souls is gone. That's what the critics have been saying for years. And this is one of the few times where fans havew actually listened to the critics and have stayed away ENT. This show should have 5 to 7 million viewers each week. But it's lucky it can string 3 million from week to week. But remember this, the original BSG was cancelled not because it was doing bad in the ratings (if I'm right, it finshed in 17th place that year), it just was not a top 5 show to justify the cost of the series. And that's what happening here. As for Friday being a killer night for sci fi, I don't think it's true. The X Files survived for many years on Friday. Of course it was better than ENT, but...If a show is good, it will find an auidence (though I realize that shows like Wonderfalls and Miracles died quickly and they were well written shows and the critics loved them). ENT is an okay show, but it will never be as good as TOS, TNG or DS9. It will always be known -along with Voyager -as a semi-interesting Star Trek show, but not the next step in the franchises evolutionary life.
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Even B&B aknowledged in an interview that they know the Romulans aren't seen until TOS so relax. Anyway, Trek was always full onincontinuities. the first person who can tell me whether or not there's money in the Star Trek universe can start bitching about Enterprise's continuity.
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Jan 29, 2005 12:07:35 AM CST
This is me, eating my words...just saw tonight's episode!
by aceattorney
Wow. It was actually entertaining!
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Even though i knew ahead of time that the Romulans wherent on the ship, I expected them to be in another cloaked ship or something, and not ON their homeworld. How the hell did they manage to control that ship from so far off? Archer even said that the romulans where nowhere near their border from season 2.
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Remember when they first looked at the ship? Archer asked what the spines were - they were subspace transceivers. "But why would they need so many?" Now we know.
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loved the ending, awesome and made perfect sense. Well done.
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...was really well coreographed, edited and directed. It was the most intense firefight I've ever SEEN!!! Ahhhh...
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Everyone seems to forget how bad-mediocre ALL Trek shows since TOS have been in their first 2-3 years (especially Voyager, but even DS9 and TNG). If you look at all the "top ten best episodes" lists from the last three series, almost every one is in the later seasons. How many people were screaming "kill it now!" during the first few seasons of Voyager (which actually turned out to be pretty good, albeit the worst of the serieses thus far), and almost no one remembers how hated and desised DS9 was at first, and its now remembered by many as the best Star Trek series ever. I agree B&B were incompetent in understanding what made Trek work the first year or two of Enterprise, but this season HAS been better, it HAS been the equal of an average season of DS9 or VOY, and it deserves another chance.
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I hear that the NX-02 Columbia is going to make an appearance soon and together with Enterprise will be in a huge one! This was another standout episode guys! It ain't over yet. Also Cutes don't bash Galactica. It was good also and had great FXs this week also. Wow Friday night TV is great now! Almost too much to watch ( So I record ). Long live all SF on TV!
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Jan 29, 2005 10:44:05 PM CST
Pholx actor predicts the end is near (from SyFy Portal)
by electric_monk
There is a lot of talk on whether or not there will be a fifth season of "Star Trek: Enterprise" on UPN. But if anyone was going to ask John Billingsley -- who plays Phlox in the series -- the answer would be no.
In an interview with the Ventury County Star in California, Billingsley said the show is all but dead now.
"I have a fairly pragmatic attitude," he said. "I look at the economics."
Among the things contributing to Billingsley's attitude are the tanking ratings the show has been receiving on Friday nights as well as the fact that Paramount Television now has 100 episodes ready to go for the series, which recently helped with its syndication sale to about 90 percent of the country. But even with a syndication sale, that will do little to help convince UPN to go for a fifth season.
"My feeling is that after all these years, the people who are not watching Star Trek won't start watching," he said. "We're not going to be the movie franchise."
On Jan. 21, "Enterprise" suffered its lowest overnight ratings of its entire run, but last night's opening to a three-episode arc -- "Babel One" -- saw a slight increase in viewership. However, numbers are still far below where they would have to be in order to guarantee a network pickup.
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Man, she had some killer clevage. Oh yeah, that episode was the best Enterprise of this season and very fine taste of what we need from here on out. THE HELL WITH UPN, BRING US NEW ENTERPRISE IN SYNDICATION NEXT FALL!!!!!
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Jan 30, 2005 9:33:45 AM CST
and just when it could get really good the show will probably ge
by atomheartbrother
oh the grim irony.
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Because he's got to be right.
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Hate the Friday slot, have only seen one episode this season! I have begun downloading the season to play catch up. I DID enjoy last season BTW, just can't remember to watch this on Friday night. I am NOT watching BSG since I already downloaded the entire season and watched the finale the other day. It's not a bad show, but I hate Starbuck, dislike the Prez and Apollo. Miss the original theme music, (YES I was old enough to watch BSG TOS back in '78). But the thing I hate the most.. The constant zoom in on the ships. I got tired after the second episode. Anyway, ENT is an OK show, but it was missing something that to me made it feel like it WAS NOT part of the Star Trek universe. But I can't talk about this season since I only seen one episode so far. If it is as good as the fans are saying it is, I hope it gets another season. END OF LINE...
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It's not about being right. It's about being a realist, a person who knows how the world works. I've been told many times through my 42 years that I live in a fantasy world, that my desire to see the best in everyone is setting me up for a large disappointment. Which it has. Real Deal, you want to believe that ENT will return for a fifth season -that because the show HAS gotten better creatively -that Les Moonves is going to see the light and renew the show. But you fail to see that the problems of Star Trek began with VOY and have never improved. Good old Les realizes there is a fan base out there for Trek, but he can't ignore the fact that ratings are not were they should be for such an expensive show, no matter what the pedigree. I've seen a many of shows I liked disappear -such as Firelfy, Miracles, and Wonderfalls to name a few. I've supported then while they were on, and have bought the DVD's (well Firefly and Wonderfalls. Miracles is due in April). But I knew all these shows were doomed from the begining. If only because the STORY and characterization came before action, sex and CGI effects. So I mourned their passing, but never at one time did I go in wearing rose colored glasses thinking that posts on AICN or joining the Save Enterprise project was going to save this show. Sure, at times I see the glass as half full, but when I do, it's because my instincts tell me to do so. I think its wonderful you like this show, but I do think your zealot like attitude will be your downfall. Star Trek need to understand what its fans want and until does, it will be laughed at and made fun of. I will watch this show until the end in May, but I know this show will be cancelled. The cards are stacked agianst it, and miracles are far and few between. These truths do lack some gentleness, so this christmas I'll get you a cross so you can nail yourself when you feel so unappreciated for your undying, near hysterical desire not to see the forest for the trees.
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It's like he's still in DS9 mode and doesn't know the shows supposed to suck.
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Jan 30, 2005 9:18:12 PM CST
Cutest of Borg: "Ratings for ENT are down for one very good reas
by big dumb ape
There's a really big problem with your argument though, Cutest. You then added: "I believe it may be the nail in the coffin as UPN has scheduled its only sci-fi show on the one night that its prime demographic is out trying to get laid. As for Battlestar achieving decent ratings - good for them." The problem is that Battlestar IS getting record ratings for Sci Fi ON Friday night, and equally BOTH Stargate SG-1 and Stargage Atlantis are doing well, TOO. And speaking as someone on the West Coast, timewise and schedule wise, a sci fi TV fan can go from the 3 Sci Fi channels shows right into ENTERPRISE. So I don't think the "It's because it's on Friday night" argument can really be applied. Well, unless we then want to factor in something like TIVO or home taping -- that is, how many people are Tivoing/taping the Sci Fi Channel shows and thus boosting ratings, but then we'd be right back to the core question again: namely, why aren't more people then likewide Tivoing/taping ENTERPRISE? Either way, I'd still agree with you overall that it's a shame about the ratings. Personally, I've loved ENTERPRISE since it began. It's actually my favorite Trek since the original. Lord knows on it's absolute WORST day it's infinitely better than that piece of shit VOYAGER ever was. So here's hoping it gets a chance at a fifth year since the show really got it's act together and things finally gelled right and it really did take a major upswing in quality this year.
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Jan 31, 2005 4:26:47 AM CST
If Paramount wants to keep ENTERPRISE alive and UPN thinks it do
by commando cody
...When you really come down to it, why doesn't Paramount strike a deal to finally take ENTERPRISE (or any future Trek show) to the Sci Fi Channel where -- frankly -- it would have a much better chance of survival by catering to a genre specific audience? Seems to me that doing new episodes for a season 5 and having the show scheduled back-to-back with a new success that's found it's audience (like a BATTLESTAR or a long running STARGATE) or with whatever new show Sci Fi is broadening the schedule with would make for a much better fit for all parties concerned. At least if they did that, even if it was only for a fifth season of ENTERPRISE (or ideally to run it out to 7 like the others) the show could survive. And in the meantime, if that was the end of Trek TV for a bit, fine. Better for Paramount to go out with it on a better note and taste in the mouth of the fans as they (hopefully) FINALLY make the studio decision to take the damn franchise away from Berman's control so they can bring in fresh blood to retinker it top to bottom -- be it for a new show or better still a large budget attempt at a film franchise revival.
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You know as well I do when you replied after fans of the show said what they liked about it what it means. You've already had your say in triplicate. You can't stand to be wrong. This is about your ego not reality. You just had to cast a dark cloud over the thread again lest people enjoy what was a fairly good episode. Really childish EM. That's my definition of a troll.
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I've thought about this myself. It would make sense if they added it to their friday night line up to make it even stronger. Also when SG1 is retired it wouldn't leave such a hole. The problem is the ScFi channel doesn't have alot of money. They almost broke the bank affording Galactica. So adding another expensive show ( no matter how it might strengthen things or how much revenue it might bring in ) is something they might shy away from. Too bad because it makes sense.
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Jan 31, 2005 8:39:33 AM CST
You see, this is the kind of thing those people shouldn't be ALL
by scrumdiddly
and so many of you just eating it up...frickin' zombies
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Jan 31, 2005 8:42:04 AM CST
Another thing - don't they realise this will DESTROY star trek?
by scrumdiddly
and where do any of you think it could go after this? now that they're fucking up its own history...the land of incontinuity?
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...at all. I was very worried that we were looking at a watered down amalgam of Journey to Babel and Balance of Terror last Friday night, and it didn't seem to be the case. This was a decent episode and has prompted me to DVR next week's. I still maintain that this improved final season is a good opportunity to have Trek go out on a not-so-foul note and rest for a bit, though. "Leave them wanting more" is the wisest of advice. But with what it sounds like they've got in store for the season/series finale (the Riker/Troi guest stint), I'm afraid folks will be breathing a sigh of relief after the show is cancelled and that might postpone the possibility of new, better Trek even further into the future.
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Funny coming from you. Here you are, on your little tower, proclaiming that just because it's Trek and just because the fourth season has been an improvement, it should come back for a fifth season. REAL DEAL has SPOKEN, and thou shall be done. And anyone who disagree's with her is a troll. Your pathetic, pedantic ramblings define you as monomaniacal fan who needs a reality dose. I AM RIGHT about this, and you cannot except the truth, so you lash out like a stormtrooper blindly following a dangerous leader. I LOVE Trek, but until Paramount fully pushes Berman and Braga out, this franchise cannot rise up. There continued association with Trek is making it a laughing stock and it's taking ME with it. I'm tired of being the butt of jokes because I still watch this series. Trek may be pop culture, but so was parachute pants, pet rocks and Soap. But they are gone and we've lived a fine life without them. I pity you that you can't see this.
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Sorry Em but just calling it like I see it. I mean you could have let it alone when people were talking about how good this weeks show was.....but you didn't. Remember it was you who was proclaiming Enterprise dead....last year at this same time......
Lynxpro the only reason I said the SciFi channel was short on money is because they hesitated to pick up Battlestar Galactica for that same reason. -
Jan 31, 2005 6:56:29 PM CST
Damn, Enterprise, who gave you permission to be good?
by mynamedoesn'tfit
That was a great episode. Hat's off. And the ending ruled.
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then continue w/ something INTERESTING...
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Ha! Good comeback!
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Agreed!
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Just thought I'd let all of you know.
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Which begs the question, so then where did you hear that TODAY? What's your source?
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If UPN cancels Enterprise how about selling the show to Sci-Fi NOT for 2005 to 2006 but 2006 to 2007? SG-1 will get Season 9 so trying to sell Enterprise next year is a moot point but Paramount can offer Enterprise for the '06-'07 season taking SG-1's timeslot.
I've never been a fan of SG-1, Stargate will always be Kurt Russell and James Spader NOT McGyver and that other guy. From what I've read, even long-time fans of the show have noticed that its been basically running on vapors and McGyver looks like he's phoning it in. The Atlantis spinoff has decent enough ratings so the SG-1 loyalist can still get their fix.
According to another thread, NBC/Universal has been asking fans on how Sci-Fi can expand its reach? Simple solution and no more rivalry: cancel SG-1 after Season 9 and have Enterprise replace it. Sci-Fi channel has always been the better fit than a half-assed "netlet" like UPN. CBS/Viacom doesn't want anything to do with "Star Trek," we're not the demographic they want. UPN doesn't promote "Enterprise" like they promote "Kevin Hill" and "Veronica Mars" who haven't exactly been ratings champs AND they balked at William Shatner's asking price to make an appearance as Jim Kirk- a sure ratings winner and the publicity would've built enough momentum to increase ratings NOT decrease like the past 2 episodes. Let's be real, despite Sci-Fi's gloating over Enterprise's ratings problems, I know they would kill to have an original first-run Star Trek on their network and not just re-runs of the Original Series. No more rivalry with BSG and SG-1 Atlantis, Sci-Fi would triple their ratings AND the goodwill they would earn for saving "Enterprise" not to mention the entire "Star Trek Franchise" from oblivion would more than justify cancelling SG-1.
Sci-Fi could spend the entire '05-'06 season hyping "and coming this fall...The Sci-Fi Channel proudly welcomes the return of Star Trek Enterpise!" Scott Bakula and crew could do promos like ..."return with us Friday night at 8, same show BETTER NETWORK!" It would give the production a whole year to prepare and fine-tune the show-hopefully without BermanBraga! The return should introduce new uniforms, new opening sequence, etc.
Season 4 has more than lived up to its promise of repairing the damage of Season 1 and 2. UPN and parent CBS/Viacom don't care...if they did, they would've promoted the hell out of Season 4. A one-year hiatus and then a return to its proper home-The Sci-Channel is a great solution.
What do you guys think?
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We don't get the Sci-Fi network here, and I'm in the capital city of the 8th most populous state! (Michigan) Besides, the whole "UPN only reaches 86%" thing is pretty silly, since only 65% of people have cable and even if 3/4ths of them can get the Sci-Fi network (which seems high to me), that's still only 50%-ish of the country, right? That's a pretty big chunk of the potential audience to lose.
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Feb 02, 2005 4:03:49 AM CST
I'd agree with you, Thevision, except about STARGATE...
by commando cody
I think several of us here all agree that taking ENTERPRISE to the Sci Fi Channel would really make the most sense for everyone involved. I hadn't thought about the notion of taking a year off to film and get things in the can, tinker with it and fine tune it. In theory, that sounds great to the fans, but in reality it's highly unlikely given how Hollywood budgeting works. Paramount wouldn't want to wait a full year to get a return on the show's production costs, they'd want it up and running for next September -- which I'm sure the Sci Fi Channel could still easily accomodate. But all in all, I agree with you except about cancelling STARGATE SG-1. I think like ENTERPRISE that show has actually gotten better though the years too and now they're doing great. Plus, now that Richard Dean Anderson basically wants to back off for good (or just do some sortof recurring cameo bits here and there to only keep a toe in the water) and they're adding Ben (FARSCAPE) Browder into the mix as the new star and team leader, I think that could really go a long ways to revitalizing the show even more. Hell, even the producers have said that by adding Browder they're looking forward to a whole new spirit -- but I guess we'll see. And when you think of it, Herc and Harry should really give the show (and its fans around here) some props, as they say. After all, STARGATE's going on it's NINTH season which is no small acheivement to sneeze at and yet there's still no recurring talkback for it or STARGATE ATLANTIS. Not to mention, I just read somewhere recently that STARGATE SG-1 is now one of the top shows sydicated around the world...
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God! Another little boy troll! Not even a good one. They won't know the fate of Enterprise until may. They've as much as said that. Idiot!
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...on Sci Fi after a year's creative hiatus IF (and only IF) B&B are completely uninvolved with the new show. And by "support," I mean I'd watch that first new season with a wholly open mind and heart. But it has to be a full year's hiatus and they need an infusion of new creative talent. Give said talent a copy of the Chronology and make them watch some of the best episodes of TOS, TNG and DS9 (as well as Wrath of Khan) and maybe put some of the best episodes of Farscape and the new BSG on their recommended viewing list (with a strict caveat NOT to just ape what they see) and then give them the keys to the ship. It's not as long a hiatus as I'd like to see, and I'd still prefer that they somehow make the events of the series apocryphal and start fresh with a new premise, but I would be willing to give a totally revamped Enterprise another shot.
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Feb 02, 2005 1:37:30 PM CST
I T H A S B E E N O F F I C I A L L Y C A N C E L L E D
by rufus_t_firefly
You heard it here, first, folks. Expect an announcement from UPN before EOD tomorrow.
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Didn't the other guy say it was supposed to be today that it was canceled? Sorry nobody's buying. Find some other place to troll at.
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http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?id=30302
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punch up *http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/9469.html* for word from Paramount itself. That is, unless you consider them trolls, too.
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Thanks for the link. I suppose everybody's happy now.
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Feb 02, 2005 3:52:15 PM CST
I was doing what AICN is here for - to get news out as soon as w
by trader groucho 2
And now that all of you see my source - who shall remain forever nameless, thank you - is right, those of you who want to see Paramount cut a deal with Sci-Fi to show new eps of the show can start your letter-writing. One tip - trying to dictate to Paramount in your letters who does or doesn't get to produce the show may not be the best strategy to win them over. Good luck!
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...you wouldn't happen to know this weekend's Lottery numbers, would ya?
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