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So, that FANTASTIC FOUR trailer is now up in glorious Quicktime!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a link to that FANTASTIC FOUR trailer that debuted with ELEKTRA. Judging by the weekend box office for that film, I'm betting a lot of you haven't seen the full trailer. If you did manage to catch it on MTV (or, GASP, paid to see ELEKTRA) you can now go frame by frame using the wonderous tools that Quicktime has to offer. Here's the trailer:
CLICK IT HERE FOR SOME STRETCHY, FLAMING AND INVISIBLE CLOBBERING!!!
My opinion of the trailer hasn't changed since I saw ELEKTRA. Dr. Doom pisses me off (Does he look like Klytus from the '80 FLASH GORDON film to anyone else?), Reed Richards' stretchy action looks like it comes straight out of THE MASK, but I do love that shot of The Thing making that 18 wheeler buckle when they collide (although that was taken directly from HELLBOY) and I didn't dislike Johnny Storm as much as I thought I was going to. I hope his Flame On's are spectacular. Alba is amazingly hot, but she's still not The Invisible Woman to me... What do you folks think?
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not sure about this. doesnt look spectacular.
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In my opinion, and people before complaining about Jonny's look are idiots, it is what a person on firs should look like.
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this movie is going to blow goat!
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They have ruined Doom. This movie will blow.
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I think it looks kinda cool as well... I wish it was a little more 'gritty' though. Everything looks so clean..
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Jan 18, 2005 7:52:34 PM CST
Proof that Episode 3 won't be the lamest movie this summer!
by backlund7
F4 looks pretty lame. The thing looks OK, but the rest is just too cheesy. "You know that looked cool". WTF? How do these studio retards think that people want to hear dialogue like that? Didn't episodes 1 and 2 teach us enough bad dialogue for the next 20 years? Oh well, here's hoping (for the third time) that he gets the next one right...
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It looks like absolute crap. Another comic book movie ruined.
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I am sure it will have all the visual flourishes and general brilliance of those 'classics' Taxi & Barbershop.
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When the new trailer and the web site can't agree on when the movie is coming out, you just gotta think people at the studio aren't paying attention to this thing.
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its pretty much impossible to tell. I think it just exudes this 'meh' feeling. thats all. Everything i've seen about the fantastic four so far has been 'meh'. It may not be absolute trash, but it doesnt' look like a defining comic book movie.
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I've never been a fan of Fantastic Four and that's why I'm going to see this movie. I really want to like it. Too bad that teaser hasn't gotten me excited. :(
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This doesn't look like any imagination went into it. It's sad that they took the Marvel franchise with the most potential and turned it into what looks like a generic and instantly forgettable turd... but damn if Alba doesn't look fine!
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If you think this looks god you're a fucking idiot. SImple as that. Dr. Doom, arguably the greatest and most maniacal supervillain in comic history, reduced to brawling on the street. And since when can he shoot fucking lightning from his hands? What I want to know is why??? Why change Dooms origin? Why make his skin turn to metal?? WHy make him some common superthug?? Did they think that would make fora mroe compelling story? Well whatever it was they were wrong and this will probably tank. The four themselves don't even need comment, terrible. Good luck losing millions morons.
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it was made out to be. What were you expecting though?
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Is it me, or is there a clip in that trailer where the THING is thrown through the air and his FEET and LEGS are BLUE and his upper torso and HEAD is WHITE??
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The FF are not moody and depressed like Spidey, they're not persecuted like the X-Men, of course they're not going to be all hardcore...they're freakin' celebrities. This one is supposed to be fun and nothing more, with the exception of Doom. That's what the comic was, that's how this movie should be.
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The Thing looks cool and him crushing that truck looks really awesome. And that's it. Julian McMahon could've been friggin amazing as Dr.Doom, but they watered down that role so much he'll probably suck. Nothing about this movie looks really bad I admit, it all just looks underwhelming. If the script rumors are true......this and Elektra might put comic book movies away for a long time.
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... but nothing about that trailer made me think that this movie is going to suck. I remember a few days ago people complained about the fire effects... why? They looked fine to me, as realistic as any person on fire flying through the sky would be. I'd prefer a rockier Grimm, but hey, X-Men took liberties and I love the shit out of both films.
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the quick stop beat thingie,
i hear it's a remix of a
a perfect circle song.
can someone tell me the name and if that's a remix, is it released, etc??
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It looked a lot better than I expected, I must admit. I will go into the film with an open mind. Yet, it still didn't have that "it" that I would expect with a FF movie. We'll just have to wait and see. And oh yeah, Doom does look like Klydus from Flash Gordon.
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Yeah, calm down people, that isn't as bad as you describe it... The Thing could've been much much better though. It looks like a burned body builder...
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Jan 18, 2005 8:51:01 PM CST
Sheesh, some of you people would complain about your gift of a n
by harrisonsdad
The film looks like it could be fun. What's wrong with that? Thing looks freakin' great! I looked at Torch frame by frame as he flew past the windows of that office building and it looked wonderful. You can make out the outline of a human figure and hey, at least this Torch flies (unlike Corman's). So they changed Doom. Big frickin' deal. Gene Hackman's Luthor wasn't exactly what I was used to when the first Supe film came out, but there wasn't a talkback forum for people to bitch back then. The FF (especially Johnny) celebrate life and have a little fun with it. Ben might be a little Grim about it (pun intended), but overall, this crew has fun. Let's give the film a shot before we start the naysaying. Most of you idiots put down every film coming out. Hell, over 70% of films that come out are horrible, so if you keep saying alkl new films coming out will be terrible, then it makes you look like you're right over 70% of the time, I guess that makes you a frickin' genius! Sorry, I just felt like venting. 'nuff said!
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and for that it is a must see.
alba is too hot to be invisible. she must be visible at all times, and doom ... >gggghhhhh< -chiklis will rule this flick. mmmmmmm- alba. alba. alba. -
I mean, as an actor, can the guy portray anything through all that rubber anyways that any ole guy in a suit couldn't? Seems like he could have just Ninja Turtled the whole thing and voiced it.
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Can't say for sure, but I think its a remix of Perfect Circle's "Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rhythm of the War Drums."
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I still think the Thing will continue to mutate into a rocky version by the end of the flick, at which time he will be mostly CGI (and saves $). Wondering if there will be a big fight with a huge monster, which is what the movie will need to really kick. Not sold on the meteor torch yet, flames need to be toned down and there's an open to one of the Bond flicks where you have fire and ice women at the open which clearly demonstrate that both the Human Torch and Iceman can be done and done well. I also think he's too old (maybe he's now supposed to be Sue's twin). If I'd written it there would be a "nude" Invisible Woman shower scene. But will take the family to see. If it's good, it's good. If it's bad, it's bad. The main movie I'm looking forward to is Ep III.
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Jan 18, 2005 9:06:38 PM CST
Why didn't Fox offer CAMERON the rights and 100 million do direc
by abking
Fox and Marvel should have given CAMERON the rights to direct this sucker with a 200 million budget!!! Arnie as THE THING saying IT'S CLOBBERING TIME would have ruled!!!
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...after that Venture Brothers episode on Adult Swim the other night. Is it just me?
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Final judgment will be rendered after I see the completed film.
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I know everybody backtalks "DAREDEVIL", "HULK", and "THE PUNISHER" as Marvel's poorest films, but this and the two "BLADE" sequels have got to be the worst Marvel films ever made, or to crescen this Earth.
It was predictable, dumb, with no plot, just mindless action, and disposable villians that went down too easily. I mean how can Rob Bowman who made "REIGN OF FIRE" and "THE X-FILES MOVIE" go from two hits, to a zero. It doesn't make sense kiddies! The trailer for "FF4" and seeing Jennifer Garner in red tight pants and a bikini were the only three things that saved me from demanding my 5 bucks back.
But damn this trailer kicks ass! Still not fully bought on the casting or how "The Thing" looks, but Dr. Doom owns it for me! BRING ON THE DOOM! -
Jan 18, 2005 9:39:14 PM CST
Garbage. And NO, it doesn't look FUN!! When does that pass a mov
by iamjacksuserid
If the movie is anything like that terrible trailer, this will suck with enough 4rce to knock the Earth off it's axis 4ever. Come on!! When a movie has to resort to putting in dialogue like "that looked cool, didn't it", you are in serious trouble. Horrible.
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don't you?
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Well I have mixed feelings. Not crazy about The Thing. They should have made him GIANT and CG like they did with Hulk (which I thought looked fantastic even though others disagree.) Plus, as I think Harry already pointed out, his brow isn't pronounced enough. He just doesn't look like The Thing that was my favorite comic book character as a kid. The Human Torch on the other hand they seem to have gotten right. Of course, I'm just judging effects at this point. What's really going to make or break this movie is whether or not there's any kind of story for me to care about and whether Julian McMachon pulls off Doom (and judging from his work in Nip/Tuck I have high hopes.) Of course I was going to see this movie no matter what as Fantasic Four was always my favorite book. It's a shame that it's unlikely that it's going to get the Spider-Man treatment, but I'm still hoping for a respectable flick. - Sean
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Jan 18, 2005 9:43:03 PM CST
The reason Doom looks like Clytus is because that's who Ross bas
by genro
Which is whose work the art prod team used for reference on this film. Pop once again eats itself.
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Wow, there are some short memories around here. It wasn't that long ago when Singer was fucking up X-Men with the Matrixy leather costumes and Raimi was fucking up Spider-man with organic webshooters. I happen to read books in my spare time and you simply must make some changes to service a screen adaptation.
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I know I railed against non-CGI thing in the last talkback, but this trailer actually has me stoked. Chicklis seems to be bringing a nice dose of humanity to his role that we would miss if it was CGI.
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The thing looks just like he did in '61 when he was introduced. That protruded brow thingy didn't come up till much later. Maybe its an evolutionary thing like in the comics? Give the movie some time to come out and speak for itself. Sheesh...FUCKING FANBOYS!
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why the hell not...its one of my fav comics...and im a hardly a purist critic when it comes to these adaptations, im more of a realist that believes you just have to tweak with some things to get the product ur after. As for the source material, i have it, so if the movie does suck, il just go back to good ol'fashioned reading. I never judge so quickly as some of these talk-backers do constantly. "OH MAN I SAW 3 SECONDS OF AND IT SUCKED!! I MEAN REALLY SUCKED! I DONT HAVE A REASON TO SAY IT, BUT IL DO IT ANYWAY. WATCHING BITS OF A MOVIE AUTOMATICALLY TELLS ME IF ITS GOOD OR NOT. I JUST HAVE THAT POWER"...they seem to say
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Jan 18, 2005 10:12:38 PM CST
Is it me or does that "4" symbol look like the Action 4 News Tea
by han ol' buddy
Stay classy San Diego!!
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Meh, I guess. I kind of wish this movie had more visual style, but I guess that's the biggest trade-off that comes with hiring a director like Tim Story. The Thing actually looked okay, but Doom and his Sith Lord-style electric bolts looked like shite. (Immortal Fish, if you're reading, the way his "mutation" manifests itself into a mask-like visage is indeed pretty dubious). I thought all the effects stuff looked serviceable enough; not sure what the contempt for Reed's elasticity is all about; if anything, the most abominable thing in the trailer was its horrendous narration. Overall, meh. It doesn't really say much about the quality of the movie in either direction (the relationships, ostensibly the chief concern in this movie, were obviously not on display), but I would have liked to have seen something that fostered more excitement than this. The "Flame On!" stuff actually has me hoping for a cool "night" battle, but we'll see. I hope it's good; as has been said before, it would be a tragedy if this movie sat in development for so long only to turn out mediocre (and I know that making a good movie is not as easy as all that, but still).
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Seems ok. Didnt get the 'this sucks' vibe.
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Jan 18, 2005 10:27:24 PM CST
Sorry, True Believers, no hate this time... all my venom for thi
by thewoodman
After "The Incredibles", I only feel pity.
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Yes... there are a few of us women roaming the halls here at AICN. I've got to say, I'm not crazy about the trailer, but I don't hate it either. As someone else already said, my reaction was pretty much 'meh'. Except for Doom. I know he's nothing like the source material (and yes, I am familiar with it) but the Julian is sex on a stick. I'm willing to plunk down my money just to drool over that lovely, lovely man for a couple of hours.
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I'm sick of hearing them. That trailer didn't seem to have one clear shot of what the fully-armored Doom looks like and you're all bitching that it doesn't look right. How can you tell? Someone even complained about him shooting energy bolts from his hands?!?!? Are you sure you ever read Fantastic Four? Everyone knows Doom's are comes complete with gauntlet blasters. Maybe it s doesn't look exactly like the comics, but the concept is there. And for everyone complaining about the "Organic Armor", that idea was taken from the Ultimate FF, not the classic book, so direct your complaints to Marvel for allowing that idea to see print. I got the impression from this clip that the armor grows gradually over the course of the movie, along with his powers.
The "You know that looked cool" sounded pretty much like something Johnny would say, but i kinda agree that he's older than the young Torch from the classic origin, but it doesn't bother me that much. I'm hoping that the Thing performance is enhanced by additional effects in the final version - I always imagined his movements would sound like rocks scraping together and that he would leave a trail of tiny pebbles and dust when he's fighting battles. Other than that, I don't have high expectations or low expectations. The real problem is that all the space scenes remind me of the Lost in Space movie (shudder). -
Jan 18, 2005 10:44:31 PM CST
Well, at least people will see where Lucas got Darth Vader from.
by frankdrebin
And I agree with "nexxus7", they should have stuck with the classic look for the Torch.
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I really don't see the big problem here. My reservations about the Thing costume are slowly going away...going frame by frame through that, it looks like they might have even touched him up a bit in post, because he looks more angular in that "hero" shot. I guess seeing him in crappy spy photos and on behind the scenes footage wasn't the best first impression to have, but I think it looks good now. Alba looks convincing enough and I'm willing to buy her as Sue (though I still say Rachel McAdams would have fit even better). Ioan looks exACTly like Reed and the Torch should be fun. Julian in the parking lot was cool, but the mask might be a bit bulky for me. Besides that, the only reservation I had was the use of internet speak on that plain white text (i.e. "4 ever) AND the fact that...if we're talking grammatically correct, all those numbers should be written out (4 should be four). But that's just a journalist nitpicking. Great trailer, I'm psyched!
And for the record...they didn't show this before the print of Elektra I saw, but am I the ONLY one that actually LIKED that movie? It felt like a comic book and was damn nice looking. Of course I thought the same about Daredevil. I just don't see where the hate comes from for those films. -
Jan 18, 2005 11:15:59 PM CST
In the Ultimate Fantastic Four (for noncomic readers, the 'Ultim
by george newman
Doom's skin peels off, he has animal legs/hooves, and can shoot metals spikes, etc with his magic metal skin. When Doom has his first confrontation with the Four, he is a very physical bad guy. However he loses the fight badly. (The story arc ended there, with Doom 'going away' to come back another day.) I believe that (while doom being physically a monster is freakin' monster is stupid) this mutation and the fight are extremely important parts in development of Doom's character. Doom walked away from that fight learning that he could not rely on his brawn alone. Doom will have to use his brain power to win the fight.... I have every bit of Confidence that Ult. FF writer Warren Ellis can pull this character development off. I have ZERO ZERO ZERO confidence that the same will be for this movie. I want to like it, but Doom owns a building, not a country, but A BUILDING. And it is ACROSS THE STREET from the Baxter Building...... I am still disappointed with the Thing. I love Chiklis, and I'm sure that the acting will be great, but the Look; Oh how they screwed the look. Thing does not need Muscle definition. Thing is not lean. The Thing should be thick thick thick. His texture should be like that of cracked, dried clay. Parched earth!!(http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/earth_science/images/dry_ground_1_jpg_image.html) I know rock doesn't bend, which is why they did latex, but they're just faking it!! If Thing's skin was a little more sandy or earth like, 'stone' could be grinded away at his joints. There could have been nice effects of clouds of dust near his joints, or when he Punched objects really powerfully. earth with rock underneath... Gah!!! why latex rock? Why??!!
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Jan 18, 2005 11:17:31 PM CST
According to the film's internal logic Ben becomes that Rock-Thi
by snarky
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"It's not ah tumor, what is is zit's clAHbbereen time!" "Sue, what do you see in this reed, he's so scrahny.""ALiciah, mah haht belongs to sue, considah it ah davorce!""Hey Doom, Ah eat mahniacal ceo's like you for breakfasht."""See you at dah parhty victor!""Your vehdi funny Johnny, that's why ahm going to clobber you last!"
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Jan 18, 2005 11:27:08 PM CST
here's the best "dried earth" look that I feel would suit Thing
by george newman
http://www.mayang.com/textures/Nature/images/Earth%20and%20Dirt/Soil%20Dust%20Sand%20Mud/PA200187.JPG
And to extend Jocutus's comparison of space stuff to Lost In Space--This whole thing looks like Lost In Space. I wonder if that will be the impression I--and others--walk away with at the end of the movie.
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Pick up the latest copy of Wizard for a full face shot of Doctor Doom. HE LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY HE DOES IN THE COMICS! He doesn't look ANY DIFFERENT. GEEZ!
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Jan 18, 2005 11:38:14 PM CST
actual picture of dr. doom for all you fools who think they chan
by kdog69
http://www.superherohype.com/news/fantasticfournews.php?id=2228
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But if he's half as badass as Klytus was then I'm there, although I was never happy with Klytus' death... I can hear MING now... "Victor I'm booored"
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Jan 18, 2005 11:56:19 PM CST
The people who are bitching about all of our bitching are right
by movietool
We shouldn't judge before we see the movie. This could very well be the Citizen Kane of Superhero movies. But I'll never know because I'll never see it. Why? Because Dr. Doom is not a Lex Luthor clone with organic armor. Dr. Doom is an egomaniacal dictator genius who rules the nation of Latveria. That's the only Dr. Doom I want to see. So, enjoy this movie - those of you who see it. I hope your popcorn's fresh and your Junior Mints are sweet.
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I personally think it's a better idea while still retaining the essence of what makes Doom hate Reed and the rest of the Fantastic Four. While heretical to say, it's arguably a more effective origin story than the one told in the comics. Hurl invective at me; it's what talkbacks are for, and I wouldn't mind hearing an explanation of what makes Dr. Doom, King of Latveria so crucial in the first pace.
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If that were the Thing skinj texture it would be a perfect match for the "early" Thing lumpy-look. I like to think that Ben started out lumpy and mushy looking when he first transformed, but over the years he's done a lot of training and exercise to achieve his more current "chiseled" and angular rocky look.
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You usually know right away by the 'look' of a comic book movie whether it will be good or bad. The look seems all wrong here. The special effects look weak (including that shot of the truck crunching), the cast is weak, all I'm thinking when I see this is a 'cheesy version of X-MEN.' I think they hired the wrong filmmaker.
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Jan 19, 2005 12:10:24 AM CST
Why is the Thing huge in the posters, but the smallest person in
by riskebiz
They had a new picture of a pidgeon sitting on the Things shoulder at superherohype.com and EVEN the small bird looked huge next to this Thing. Why do they play him up as looking huge in the poster when he's the pipsqueek on the team? I had hoped they would do something in terms of CGI to enhance the size of the Thing in this picture ... but I guess not. Oh, and even in the Corman version Doom still looked like Klytus, you just can't escape that in a live action film of the FF. I hope they work on the efx A LOT more before this film comes out. They seriously ought to move the film to the middle of August for release, too. This film is going to BOMB in it's current release date. It's like the suits WANT to have it fail. Do you think that's possible? When you start adding up the odd decisions regarding the making of this film, either their incompetent, or they're purposedly hoping it bombs. Do they make more money if it fails? Is there some tax benefit for it failing as opposed to being just a mild success?
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You're saying that as someone who probably has a background in comics. What you have to understand is that you can't just throw the general public (or at least, the unread portion of the general public) into certain superhero movies without at least some context. To your credit, the Fantastic Four might have been a good movie to try and experiment with that, because the world they inhabit has been so perfectly realized in the comics: they're sci-fi, they're left-of-center, they're celebrities, all that good stuff. As a matter of fact, I think Peyton Reed's pitch was to spend a day in the life of the FF, so there's some validation for you if ever there was any. As for 'Spider-Man,' well, he's inextricably linked to his origin. Could they tell it in flashback? Perhaps, but I think it works better with a linear structure. You can't get rid of Spider-Man's origin story, nor should you, I think; the best parts of 'Spidey' were before the Green Goblin showed up.
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Jan 19, 2005 12:40:31 AM CST
Not to overanalyze, but I am concerned for that truck driver's s
by george newman
In the movie, he'll probably just step out, thankful that Thing saved that man who was in the way. But realistically, I think the steering wheel would cut the man in half, and turn his lower extremities into a horrific, boney paste.
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That didn't look half bad (but then again...that Episode I trailer was brilliant too). The secret to enjoying this movie is this...Remember...IT WILL BE FLAWED! EVERYTHING IS! Accept this basic law of the Cosmos and you will be much better off! Most of you losers probably don't have girlfriends because you hold women up to some ridiculous standard, just like you do these comic book adaptations(the keyword here being ADAPTATIONS)! Be well.
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...I dunno, the trailer looks pretty decent. You don't really see much though, so it's kind of ridiculous to start critiquing it so intensely. You don't see any character moments (which we're promised) and the only bit of dialogue comes from Johnny Storm.
There are problems for sure, minor ones, Like The Thing's Brow...Personally I think they should've gone The Hulk route and CGI'd the bad boy. Then again the way everybody complained about the Hulk I can see why the creatives decision was altered. (by they way I thought the Hulk was a great film, bested only by X2)
And if I recall correctly there were a lot of complaints about the X-Men costumes as well, but when the film came out and it was cool then the complaints changed into compliments. Even the comics began to use the style of suits from the movies.
I think Doom looks pretty decent (he looks pretty much like his comic counterpart), I like the choices for the cast generally except for Johnny Storm (Matt Damon would've rocked). The Stretch effect looks decent as well. I dunno, I'll reserve judgment until we actually see a trailer with substantial material to judge. Hopefully they'll lose the cheesy narration though... -
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what utterly shitty FX. I really thought this would be a good film, but shit looks 100 times worse than Catwoman.
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Jessica Alba can be Sue Storm as long as she looks that hot.
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I have to say some of the stuff for this movie looks good. But that trailer was absolutely awful. No pacing for excitement and nothing that made me jump out of my seat in awe over. Whoever picked the music for it needs to be fired from their job immediately.
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You all want to know!
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Jan 19, 2005 2:23:13 AM CST
To bad no body takes the time to consider some comic books are b
by theginger twit
That space platform would be cool...
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Jan 19, 2005 2:29:00 AM CST
I love when people post just to say they're NOT going to see the
by mynamedoesn'tfit
Especially when we all know that's bullshit.
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This film just doesn't say anything interesting from the trailer. Everything about it is wrong.
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brilliance that was the incredibles? that trailer was pretty lame. and what is the deal with the middle class white boy thrash music...for FF??? the look reminds me of the lost in space movie.
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Jan 19, 2005 3:27:17 AM CST
It don't matter if Doom is wearing a mask or if Ben Grimm is sma
by lettersoftransit
...if it works. Multiple versions of good characters have worked many times in the past. Changes are not always bad... if they work. I didn't like the changes in the X-Men from what I'd read as a kid, but I had to admit the films still worked -- simply in a different way. I never expected to see the Fantastic Four as I'd read the books in my single digit years. But I figured it could work even with major changes. Seeing this I am not yet convinced it will. In projects that don't work there are usually signs early on of trouble, yet the people involved didn't see it because they were all caught up in groupthink and nobody saw it -- or they all saw different problems and couldn't agree on how to fix them. I am not sure what the situation is with this film because I've read and seen so little. But I know that somewhere, some committee full of highly paid people met over expensive hors douvres and considered the phrase "one will be bad; four will be fantastic." And then, somehow, they decided to go with it. Not a good sign.
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I'm definitely there!
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Hmm, I suppose sometimes when your expectations are lowered it works a lot better. I was thinking something Armageddon-bad, but that actually looks fun. I'm expecting this will surprise a lot of people.
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I mean, come on - we've got X-MEN, SPIDERMAN, HULK, etc - and now FANTASTIC FOUR - now put 'em into one full-length feature! (*grins*)
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The only crap things about this trailer were the music playing over it and the shitty text. Unless the whole movie has text coming up at regular intervals and has that tune playing constantly through it, it'll be a fucking good and enjoyable movie.
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Jan 19, 2005 4:52:20 AM CST
Isn't The Thing supposed to be able to hold his own against The
by dolph
I don't see it, not even against the Lou Ferringo incarnation.
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i think u may have saved a couple fanboy lives just by your comments. Now, with just a little therapy, they can be on their ways to starting a whole new, HUMAN life.
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This trailer is so lame in every way imaginable. The music. The text. The cutting. Don't get me started on the FX or the actors. If there's a moviegod, this one will sink like the Titanic. If not, prepare for a ton of sequels. DISGUSTING
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Jan 19, 2005 5:48:48 AM CST
A "Fantastic Four" movie needs to be heavy on the science fictio
by eugene o
The best stories from the comics are always about space, dimensions, arriving aliens...very SF in nature, not just a lot of action and fighting a villain. Also, I can see WHY they would make Doom part of the initial mishap that creates The Four...but it is a cheap choice made only because the writer was unambitious.
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Can't believe how the "Wanna be"-cineasts in this forum keep on spanking their monkey in public by dooming an entire movie after a simple teaser trailer. The same people by the way that give a big hand for all kind of crappy and unknown independent movies just to prove that they are great "connaisseurs de cinema".
This is so stupid, because by saying this movie will suck you take away your chance to be an objective critic. How many of you geeks will come back and say: "Ups, I liked it, can't believe I have to change my mind after all the hate mails I posted at AICN"
Now hush, hush, back to your little geek world.
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Apparently.
I thought it looked good, the majority of people bitching about it have never even read the comicbook anyway or have a screwed up memory of what it was like when they did actually read an issue about 30 years ago.
I'll wait til I see the movie (yeah! Seriously!) before I pass judgement on this organic armour thing, but hey, that crap Green Goblin suit didn't ruin Spider-man for me...
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Keep in mind that the same people that did the amazing Abe Sapien and Hellboy have done The Thing for FF. These guys can make GREAT creature effects. I think it will be just fine...
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Jan 19, 2005 8:52:28 AM CST
I don't know if that truck thing was ripped off from "Hellboy"
by rev_skarekroe
I do recall a similar scene in Frank Miller and Geoff Darrow's "Hard Boiled," though. Also, what a weird choice for a song. Did any of the marketing goons actually know what the song was about before they stuck it to the trailer for a summer blockbuster?
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...The Flame On effects look like those cheap-ass "ball-of-gas-soaked-rags-sliding-along-a-wire" effects from Firestarter. Doom DOES look like Klytus except he's shooting lame process-shot lightning bolts like the Emperor in Return of the Jedi. Sue's invisibility looks circa that godawful 70's Invisible Man series with the guy from Man From U.N.C.L.E. Reed... what can I say? He's EUGENE TOOMS! Ben is a total, rubbery-rocked loss. The gigantic slurping noise from all the sucking is already drowning out my Mars Volta CD and I have it turned up to full volume!
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I'm definitely watching it.
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And I wasn't totally annoyed. So that's a good thing...I guess. This will be a rental for me.
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...I did say "hold his own". I haven't read the comics in years either, but I do remember them having a stalemate arm wrestle at one point. I'd love to have seen an ILM Thing.
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Jan 19, 2005 12:34:18 PM CST
Dammit! I paid for Elektra and I'm not ashamed to admit it!
by blue devil
Jennifer Garner does a damn fine job in the film and the movie isn't bad. It's by no means a great film, but it wasn't boring (ala Hulk) or rediculous (Spider-Man anyone?). Garner was easily the best part of Daredevil and she doesn't disappoint in Elektra. I'll support her in whatever films she does.
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...however it just doesn't have that big movie tentpole feel to it like Spider-Man. I am hoping for an effort similar to the first X-Men movie...low key and flawed but enough to get it a greenlight for a second sequel that is bigger and better.
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Once again, everyone gets all worked up over a trailer, casting blanket statements about a films potential sucktitude. Relax. Chances are this film will be average, why? Because average is average. I personally feel the film will be somewhat like X-Men (above average). It's an interpretation of the 'Fantastic Four' story. No need to get your knickers in a twist, acting as if this will forever taint the sanctity that is the Fantastic Four mythos. Please, its a fucking movie! Debating as to how Johnny Storm should look when he 'flames on' is gay you flamers! Like we have a living blueprint to go by? The closest thing I can think of is the monk on the cover of the Rage Against the Machine album. Idiots.
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The song playing in the trailer is A Perfect Circle remix. For those of you talking shit, I hope you don't like APC cause otherwise you suck. Sure, this isn't the greatest trailer in the world but it's doing something no other comic book movie trailer of this nature was doing. Granted, Sin City is the coolest trailer ever, this is just a simple cool trailer. I don't know what you expected from this movie but this trailer makes the movie look fucking incredible, so much better than it actually is. Deal with it and appreciate it for what it is. Or just watch the Sin City trailer.
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Jan 19, 2005 3:09:43 PM CST
I would say that the 18 wheeler scene was taken from Smallville.
by cornstalkwalker
Every other week, Clark is stopping some car like that it seems.
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...because you hold women up to some ridiculous standard." Yeah, Doctor Who? THAT'S why these asshats don't have girlfriends. Never mind that their entire world appears to be coming unhinged because Dr. Doom isn't the dictator of a fictional Eastern European nation. Look at him. That's fucking Doctor Doom on the big screen. That's exactly what you'd expect him to look like and he's being played by one of the most charismatically evil actors working today. And the Thing looks egg-fucking-zactly like he did in the first panels after his mutation back in the 1960s origin story of the FF, as drawn by Jack Kirby. He didn't start to look rocky until later in the comic. Don't believe me? Look it the fuck up. I'll even wait (and thoroughly enjoy the few minutes that pass without ill informed jackasses like you screaming "he's not rocky enough!"). Seriously, there are so many bitches up in this mother that I want to start swinging my pimp stick (and after seeing Jessica Alba as a super hot, all-too-visible Invisible Girl, it's good and hard with about an extra six inches of reach). I am refreshed to see a few of you admitting that there's not much to hate from what we see here, and that your general malaise stems from some unresolved internal conflict about what you personally wanted the FF movie to be. But the rest of you need to stop with the "it will suck and blow and huff and puff" routine. It's boring and tends to put off the ladies (just ask that one sister who popped in here to talk about sex on a stick... she knows what's up). It's going to be a movie, kids. Just a movie. It might be a shitty movie. You can't possibly know that yet, though. Similarly, it might be a great movie (that would surprise me, because the very idea of the Fantastic Four is, at its heart, a little too campy to be anything but fun). Or it might be just another in a long line of "good enough" comic book movies that seem to hurt no-one but the hardest core comic fans (I'm reformed, myself, having been off the four-color-crack for nigh on seven years now). Oh... and Mad_Radhu, that Venture Brothers episode had my brother and I laughing beer through our noses, especially when Cody Torch and retard Thing were tying Richard Incredible into a human knot. Fucking brilliant!
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If history has shown us anything, this may very well be a good movie that we or many others will thorough enjoy because it is a good film. And we may eventually push into the back of our minds about how we are enjoying a lie. That the story was changed from the source for no good reason and that it is a completely unfaithful adaption of a widely beloved book. We were cheated of how it should have been, but people will see it, buy it, and nothing will change.
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I'd fuck her..
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Jan 19, 2005 6:32:36 PM CST
"One will be bad." Wow, I don't know... looks to me like the w
by empyreal0
I smell a bomb.
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...you people actually think you're being effectively elistist when you complain about Sue Storm's invisibility CG? That's got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Not only has anyone with a budget of $5 million been able to create "believable" invisibility effects for the past 10 years, but I saw nothing wrong with those particular shots in the trailer. Some of you people are grasping at straws. Like I've said before, people are trying to bury this flick, and for the life of me I can't get inside your heads to figure out why. Is it just because it's en vogue? Whatever. There are issues I have with what I've seen so far, but none of the effects shots (save for the lightning bolts coming from Doom, which ought to be retired from film because it NEVER looks real). Maybe all of this completely arbitrary manure will teach Avi Arad to just trust his instincts and not trust the righteous groupthink that pollutes these talkbacks ("HULK: less talky, more smashy!") Jeez.
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Jan 19, 2005 9:13:02 PM CST
awesome. looks as good as elektra/hulk/punisher! i am sure not t
by krims0nknite
a package, for me? but my birthday's not unil september the 11th...
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Jan 19, 2005 9:16:58 PM CST
oh, and this movie will suck fomr the actors alone, if not from
by krims0nknite
other crap being a mtv-ized movie that does not follow the comic book that is being made for no one but 11 year olds. just look at the actors, take a serious look. they are all tv actors who are good in nothing but their tv roles. this movie will be trash.
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The lame rock trailer, the weak director, the well-publicized reshoots to make up for a weak ending, Jessica Alba, no high-coolness marketing campaign, just a piss-poor set of location shots and airbrushed-to-death PR shots. Sorry, but as huge of an FF fan as I am, this is going to suck. Hard.
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The thing you need to be concerned with is the personalities of each of the characters, which won't really be seen until an actual trailer emerges. This was just to show the eye candy, basically. Doom can look like the Emperor all he fuckin wants, so long as his attitude is that of domination and arrogance, I'm down.
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...and I'm excited to see it, changes and all. The films CAN'T be the comics, so just take them for what they are - I agree with whoever said they were looking for the first X-Men with this - not perfect, but a good beginning paving the way to a bigger and better sequel.
And I've made my peace with the Doom changes... so bring on July 4th! -
Blasphemy, you say? What would cause a sane or insane person utter such a remark, why I'll tell you. DESERT CHASE SEQUENCE. Hulk dogs sucked nuts, growing hulk blew chunks, absorbing/zzaaxx or whatever dad was pure fucking garbage. But that desert chase sequence was 100% grade A, classic hulk action baby. That was the epitome of bringing comic panel to live action. Exquisite. fucking. joy. Fuck the rest of the movie, they could have 45 minutes of "bruce stares at wall" then the desert chase sequence, and then 45 more minutes of "Bruce stares at wall" and it would STILL be one the best comic book movies ever made. You know this to be true.
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I CAN'T wait to see this in the theaters! Please let it be good. Not like Hulk, which was good as far as the stuff with the Hulk but the excruciating techno-babble just killed it for me. I can't wait to see how well they pull this off! It looks like my fears might be quelled. One thing that few have mentioned. Tim Story is a confessed FF geek. It has to be in good hands. My only problem is a nitpick. Doom has no cape. Otherwise, I like everything else.
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Jan 20, 2005 9:46:51 AM CST
Hey speed... funny you should mention that "Lost in Space" turd.
by thewoodman
Not only do I agree with you that this looks like that bomb in terms of sets, costumes, lighting, etc., but the Fake Torch's line at the end of the trailer was EVERY BIT AS MUCH OF A GROANER as Fake Will Robinson saying "kewwl!!" at the end of "L.i.S." ("Face it... that looked cool"... a line obviously aimed at us doubters on this and other sites. Hey, Tim Story... maybe you should've tried making a GOOD MOVIE instead of burning Fox's money to lash out at your on-line critics. Just a suggestion...) "The Fantastic Four" (the comic book) and "Lost in Space" (the T.V. show) were both fun, goofy, good-natured examples of 60s Pop Culture at its finest. Both could've (and should've) been re-done as brilliant movies... unfortunately, both fell into the hands of witless producers & directors obsessed with "darkness", "edginess", and "attitude". Altered personalities, re-vamped motivations, and updated looks. All shit. Look for "Fantastic Four" two years from now, right next to "Lost in Space" in the 3 for $1.99 bin at the video store. Hey, I just realized... I got my venom back! WAH-HOOOO!!
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I think the thing looks really good thats just how I imagined he would appear on the silver screen.
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The sound (I hesitate to call it a "soundtrack") sucked and the images were cut together in such a jumble that you couldn't focus on anything long enough to really see it. MTV on speed.
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Is Jerkula telling the people complaining about the movie they haven't seen yet to shut up or the people complaining about the complainers? Or is he just telling everyone to shut up? Or perhaps he's addressing the voices in his head (I think I saw a post from them further down). You're right, though, Count... it's a free country (depending entirely on your definition of freedom and where in the world you sit when you type). And just as you're free to cast unfounded aspersions on a movie you haven't seen yet (or make prejudicial judgments about a person you don't know just because of what he may look like on the surface), I'm free to call such behavior ignorant. Perhaps the folks complaining about the complaining are here reading the talkbacks because they are also geeks (and that hasn't been considered a derrogatory term since they stopped using it to refer to people who bit the heads off chickens) and they are interested enough in the FF movie to see how it's coming along. Perhaps listening to ignorant haters pissing and moaning about shit they know nothing about is interfering with their search for news and their desire to discuss rationally what they've seen and what they think of what they know (which is why most folks come to the site, not to bitch about how everything sucks). It was amusing to see you snap like that, though, so there's something to be said for having you around. "No... YOU shut up!" Precious.
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Jan 20, 2005 3:57:40 PM CST
Looks like speed & I aren't the only ones making the "Lost in Sp
by thewoodman
A friend mentioned that there were others here who noticed the ugly similarity... a quick review of the TalkBack reveals that jocutus and George Newman are on board as well. I suspect we four are not the only ones thinking along these lines (anyone else wanna join in?). This is something that Fox should be very, very, VERY worried about.
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I want to know if the people responsible for this have no respect for the source material or no respect for audience, I guess I'll found out when it comes out on video.
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Seeing this trailer, it actually doesn't look as horrible as people make it sound. That being said, The F4 has a very small chance of being good. It's fairly easy to guage if a movie has a chance of being good or not folks, simply look at the director. This flick is directed by Tim Story. He is the Auteur that brought us Barbershop and Taxi. I guess we should consider ourselves lucky that Queen Latifah wasn't casted as the The Thing, they really could have saved a bundle on makeup. Keep in mind Story replaced the guy that directed Bring It ON. Thanks Hollywood! Oh well, I hope Dr Doom turns out to have killed Mr Fantastic's Dad like the Kingpin in Daredevil and The Joker in Batman. PS. The guy that did Daredevil is now doing Ghost Rider, a) What do you think the chances of that being good are? b) Where does he keep the compromising photos of Avi Arad he must possess?
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stop crying! I have the Roger Corman version and THAT was crap. Marvel is doing a great job of making action movies.
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Hollywood sucks! Jack Kirby was brilliant!!! This movie will suck hard.
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It's funny, I was with the changes to X-Men and Spiderman. No problems. But for some reason, I just can't stand that Doom won't be Doom. There is something pure about the original Doom's character. Not pure in the "virgin-white snow" sense, but pure in the "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" sense. Doom hates Reed Richards. Why? Because Reed is the only guy on the planet who's almost as smart as Doom. Because Reed is ALMOST as smart as Doom, and yet Reed kicks his ass everytime. Of course, the truth is that Reed REALLY IS smarter than Doom. But Doom's whole world is built around one immutable fact: Doom rules. Doom is superior. And he simply cannot rest until he beats Reed Richards and proves it. And he never does. Doom actually respects Reed, but he still hates him with every molecule in his body. He must destroy Reed to set the world right. Then he can go back to ruling his country in peace and possibly taking over the world if he feels like it. I love that character, and it's not what I'm going to get in this movie. Now maybe that character is impossible to write for the big screen. Maybe there's no way to do that character in live action without it seeming silly. I see that. But isn't part of what makes us geeks so excited about superhero movies that we finally get to show everyone else what we've been so excited about for our whole lives? And if they change a character like Doom into a cookie-cutter corporate stereotype who goes "crazy" after being jolted with cosmic rays >blech< - well, that's not the character I wanted to be able to share with everyone else.
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