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Hercules and Others Rave About Joss Whedon's SERENITY Now!!

I am – Hercules!!

The version of “Serenity” that screened in Chatsworth Tuesday evening isn’t quite the movie we’ll be seeing next fall. The music was temporary and the special effects were only about half-baked, with Adam Baldwin hanging off wires and many spaceships lurching about without texture and detail.

Still, in many ways the film is already a great antidote for those of us so terrifically bored by the “Star Wars” prequels. The lion’s share of my own disappointment with “The Phantom Menace” and “Attack of the Clones” can be traced to an absence of players as compelling and likeable as Han and Leia.

“Serenity,” by contrast, returns to “Firefly” fans better than half a dozen Solo-caliber characters, including loutish Jayne, heartsick Kaylee, conflicted Mal, disdainful Inara, heroic Simon and damaged River. In addition, the evil Alliance has dispatched a great new villain, a ruthless and amusingly philosophical self-proclaimed “monster” essayed by Brit Chiwetel Ejiofor.

The new film is smart, romantic, moving, fast-paced, action-packed and, most crucially, one of the funniest films you’ll see next year. It’s certain to be a must-see for every “Firefly” fan, as it answers every question devotees may have harbored with regard to two important elements of the series: The Reavers and River Tam. (It also offers a bit of resolution with regard to two key shipboard romances.)

But Herc loving a new Joss Whedon project hardly warrants a headline, yes? The better news is that "Serenity" is garnering raves from others who caught the screening, like “The Scientist”:

Hey Herc! The Scientist here with a quick review of Serenity, although I suspect that you'll be sending a review as well since I saw you at the screening. I tried to stay impartial throughout the viewing of the movie since I'm an unabashed lover of the show and think that Objects in Space is one of the finest hours to ever air on the small screen. That being said, I'll try to break down my review for two audiences: the newbies and the oldbies.

Non-Firefly viewers: First, if you've never seen the show before, the movie does a fantastic job of establishing all of the characters over again so you don't have to worry about coming in unprepared. Also, the more overt western aspects of the show have been tremendously tamed down, so it plays more straight-forward in a scifi universe, but all without losing the grittiness and rawness that made the worlds on the show so special. It's extremely funny, almost always surprising, and kick-ass. I especially think that those of you who like operatic martial arts films will enjoy the choreographed fights that appear now and then. Just wait until you see the first trailer, cause I'm guessing you'll all flip.

Firefly droolers: Reavers! River and Simon back story! More shocks than you can shake a stick at! You can't take the sky from me! But seriously, when this thing gets through with all the post-prod. stuff, you're going to be peeing in your brown leather coats because it'll be like the clocks were rewound and you were in 2002 again. It's not perfect yet, mind you. I think that Zoe and Book get a little neglected and a couple of the new additions to the 'Verse are weak, but that's nitpicking the absolute blast I had seeing everybody again. Plus, there's some wicked gorram action that would have been way out of budget for the TV show.

The temp tracks and rough cg sometimes detracted from the film and the editing is still rough in spots, but this thing doesn't come out for over 8 months! The only other extremely early preview I've been this excited about was when I was much more wee and saw a super rough cut of Toy Story (Hey! That's another one Joss had his hand in.) Start getting excited everybody, this one's a winner!

The aptly-named “Happily Surprised” adds:
Tonight, in Chatsworth, CA, I think I stumbled across the geek Holy Grail. Upon the announcement of said Holy Grail, cheers erupted from the crowd… For what we were “the first audience ever” to view was… Serenity.

Since this has been the subject of much banter on this site and I’m sure there will be a million of other reviews, I’ll skip any other touching stories about the screening. But I will tell you that I am not a hardcore Joss Whedon fan. I’ve seen a handful of Buffy and Angel episodes (and enjoyed them) and I admire his dedication to his online fanbase, but I’ve never seen Firefly and I’ve never totally bowed down to him. No hard feelings, just haven’t been so totally familiar with him as to realize his genius.

My bad.

This movie rocked. While it seemed a tad too long, that just means more gold for the DVD. Anyway, I don’t even know what they could cut out because just about every scene kept the movie moving along. Before I contradict myself again, I’ll just get to the meat.

Whedon has created such incredible characters and dialogue in this movie. What has always struck me about most science fiction movies is that no one speaks normally, it’s almost as if space has stifled their sense of normalcy and rammed a giant stick up the characters’ asses. Well, as most of you will already know, Whedon can put his characters in the most unimaginable and incredible circumstances and still give them personalities, wit, and true emotion. It doesn’t sound like much, but between the dialogue, the characters, and the visuals (effects were unfinished, but you could tell what will be in store for the final product), I believe that he has really not just elevated the genre, but has transcended it.

The characters are as fleshed-out as most Whedon fans would probably expect, but I was not prepared for this. Nathan Fillion (a guy I ashamedly say I only really recognized from Two Guys A Girl and A Pizza Place) is a great addition to the heroes of the big screen. He’s the best Han Solo since… well… Han Solo. The rest of the cast, filled with people I kind of recognized, seemed so comfortable and so natural. Their rapport with each other was perfect. It really shows that they all spent time together on a TV show… albeit a short-lived one.

But the best character (and I think she was new to the troupe) was a waifish girl, Fiona Apple look-alike, named River. The story centers around her. She’s a mentally unstable psychic who is also a trained killer. The government (here, called The Alliance) has been doing tests on her for years, utilizing her psychic abilities and building her killing skills, until her brother rescues her. This is the set up for the prologue, which blew everyone away. Months later, we see that they’ve been on-board the Serenity and her brother is being used as an on-board doctor and she is being used for her psychic skills as an asset on their money-grabbing runs. I’m sure someone else will have a more detailed synopsis. As for me, I’m going to boil it down because it wasn’t what really impressed me about the movie. Bottom line is that, The Alliance is trying to find her. Led by an assassin (who, of course, was written beautifully and with great complexity), they know that she’s on-board Serenity. Despite being tracked by these folks, Fillion and his crew keep her around for her skills, out of curiosity of what she’s all about, and because Han Solo has a heart. You see, what makes her so interesting and what kicks ass most about this movie is that, when she whups ass, she whups ass! I’ll honestly say that her fight scenes blow away anything I’ve seen on Buffy, in Kill Bill, or just about anything I’ve seen in a long time. I found myself hoping for more fight scenes when, much of the time, she was in her crazed psychic state… and then the fight scenes came. Whedon knows what his audience (old fans and, like me, new ones) like.

The final fight, by the way, will not disappoint anybody, if you like air battles, check. Gun fights, check. Attacks by nasty ass villains (the Reavers), check. Hand to hand, check. Swords, check. Battles of wit, check.

The audience was filled with old Whedon fans. And they seemed quite ecstatic about the whole thing. The cheers didn’t just erupt at the beginning, they were all throughout. There were actual screams at points. These would break out with little bits of dialogue from familiar characters, after the fight scenes, during space battles, at looks characters would give each other, and, of course, at the end. I’ll be happy to drag my uninitiated friends to this when it comes out and I just may feel like I’m a little more on the inside this time around. But no matter… it’s a great movie, none of this horseshit Steven Sommers-type popcorn movie, this is a great movie.

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  • Dec. 15, 2004, 3:51 a.m. CST


    by godigy

    Jus blue in my pants, cant wait for this movie to come out, THUMBS UP!!!!!!! :)

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Thank God!

    by JakeNotTheFatman

    Thank god. Thank god. Thank god. Thank god. THANK GOD!!

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Glad to hear the overt westerness has been toned down

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    I appreciated the idea (I appreciated it more when Cowboy Bebop did it), but I didn't need to be smacked over the head with it. But all sounds good, I'm looking forward to it. As far as the SW talk goes, as any sci-fi movie invariably brings up, I remember Whedon saying he wrote this to take place in a universe like the one he imagines existing between Empire and RotJ.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 5:45 a.m. CST


    by kintar0

    Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 5:47 a.m. CST

    JOsh Whedon is an asshole

    by Rcamacho2278

    in real life, the guys a stuck up cock fag .

  • Expect the next announcement from the movie studio to be the release of this waste of time direct to DVD. Whoever greenlighted a big screen version of a lame cancelled TV series seriously deserves to be canned by the studios.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 5:59 a.m. CST

    I just peed in my pants...

    by ryLRci

    re-establishing the fact that a Joss Whedon movie is coming to the big screen. I CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS MOVIE. I really hope Whedon establishes the bigger part River plays in the Firefly universe and hope theres some dirty love with Mal and a certain GORGEOUS tenant/whore.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Bullshit Herc, You're the biggest Whedon ball licker I've ever s

    by TheGinger Twit

    Sorry to be so harsh but I have no doubt that what you saw was a piece of shit and you're so jossified that you just can't bring yourself back into reality. And this crap of him doing X3 and now Wonderwoman, My God, is there no one else working in Hollywood??

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 6:23 a.m. CST

    I'd take the star wars prequels over some cheap star trek wanna

    by TheGinger Twit

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Whedon writres the best TV. Full Stop. The Man rules (and so wil

    by Easily Pleased

    In my humble opinion Buffy, Angel, and Firely have, at times, some of the most real and heartfelt dialogue I have ever watched. I am a big TV fan. My favourite shows are ER, 24, West Wing, Star Trek and other things. I rate Wedons writing as equal or better than all those other shows. For a Fantasist writer he really makes the heart bleed. Yeah the situations are fantastic, or the charactures OTT, but all of a sudden a line or an action will resonate far more deeply than you could have ever expected. Now that is fantastic writing. I put of watching Firely for a while, as it isnt on terestrial TV in the UK, but tracked down on the SCI-FI schannel. Good God. It is just plain brilliant. What wonderful charactures and situations. Jayne, Wash, Mal. How original. Oh, and when he wants to be, the funniest writer on TV. So whedon rules, I know best, and you all can fuck-off if you disaree. Just remember, you voted for Bush again!

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 7:01 a.m. CST

    I think this will be a good flick AND it'll bomb

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    it happens.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 7:06 a.m. CST

    That's what the other two reviews were for.

    by Ribbons

    "Gee...Herc LIKED it? Naw." While that level of sarcasm is the epitome of cleverness, I think you're missing the point.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 7:19 a.m. CST

    If the movie's about River, I hope her character is consistent,

    by FrankDrebin

    Sometimes she just stood there, almost autistic, not saying or doing anything. Other times she was chatty and completely normal. It seemed to depend on what the script needed her to do that episode. But, other than that, I was a big fan of the show.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 7:22 a.m. CST

    pity poor Joss

    by capt jack aubrey

    <<maybe get Whedon a deal for another film>> yeah... maybe the poor guy will get another shot at working in the big Hollywood dream factory... 'cause he's been such a shut-out outsider until now... i'm a full-on buffy-angel goober and i admit i'm way biased toward loving anything whedon wants to tackle... but ya know what? there's a reason for my semi-blind worship: the guy delivers--he's earned my respect and trust as a creator because he's put out a dazzling, brilliant body of work. and even so, it's always taken me a bit to warm up to whedon's projects--i didn't love buffy the first time i saw an episode, but by the third episode i saw, i was on my way to full cultish devotion... i didn't warm up to angel until the end of the second season, but when it left last spring i missed it even more than buffy... firefly also took some getting used to, but it paid off handsomely... even his Astonishing X-men stint was a bit bumpy at the start, but is now firing on all cylinders... my point is, whedon is what most of us dream of being: an independent creator with high personal standards who is also HIGHLY courted by hollywood--any suggestion that Serenity is some sort of 'make or break' deal for his career based on its box-office is silly--if the film went straight to dvd and didn't make a penny, whedon would still have his next three major film and tv projects rolling... despite what we all want to believe about hollywood suits being peter gallager-esque morons, the fact is they DO recognized talent and quality, it's just that they live and die by the bottom line... if Serenity is as good as these folks say, then even if it bombs, the studios will know what Whedon can do as big-screen director and will want him under their tent-poles... as for Serenity possibly laying a box-office egg? sure, could very well happen... i share everyone's concerns that it's a boutique project with a limited, hermetic fan base and little appeal outside that pen... but i clearly recall people saying EXACTLY the same thing about another big-screen project four years ago: that maybe it would be well-done, but the only people who would go to see it would be obsessed fans who'd been living in a fantasy world with their precious books for decades... "it's an amazing film, but will anyone other than hobbit-geeks ever want to go see it?" (i'm not exaggerating -- go back and read the trade press from fall 2001) so, if Serenity is as good as these guys say, I hope that at worst, I and my fellow whedon-fans will get a lovely treat, and at best, the rest of the mainstream filmgoing public will gobble up a fun AND emotionally meaningful sci-fi epic for a change and pile onto the bandwagon with us in an orgy of Joss-love... as for you whedon-haters, i have to sincerely ask, what is it you hate about him and his works? not that he's the best-all be-all -- he's not -- but i'm just curious what turns you off so vehemently from the guy? is it really just the "toad/lightning" line that has earned your ire? or is it iconoclastic backlash against Herc's breathless, tireless championing?

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Serenity Now!

    by Barney Hood

    Sorry, just got it!

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 8:21 a.m. CST


    by Wonderboy3678

    fine-a-fucking-ly this was a great show that was killed by FOX...Really, everyone that liked Farscape, or any modern Sci-Fi needs to check this out. I am excited for the movie...but I am hoping that it doesn't turn into Star Trek-ish film ie..a two hour episode. I know i'm just spewing fanboy crap, but I actually HATED Angel and Buffy. Please just give this movie a shot.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 8:30 a.m. CST

    this might be the

    by speed

    star trek we were all hoping for...? never seen buffy and only seen one ep. of Angel but i hope serenity is much better than that cause Angel looked liek your average TV teenage melodrama.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Swarmy and GingerTwit: You are in for a surprise.

    by iontyre

    Obviously you haven't seen the dvd of this series. Watching on Fox would not have given you the right impression of this show. This movie will not bomb. Check out the stocks value on the hollywood stock exchange ( Even they know this has potential.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 8:49 a.m. CST


    by Pandas

    Yeah, and there was that episode where she did that shocking attempt at an English accent. Clearly whatever the Alliance did to her included repeated Clockwork Orange style forced watchings of Dick Van-Dyke in Mary Poppins.

  • ... gee, what was I thinking. Hey, if this movie's four times as good as the tv series ... I won't be paying any money to see it. On the plus side, this could be the biggest hit in Ron Glass' storied Hollywood career.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 9:38 a.m. CST

    In other news, Joss Whedon just took a dump

    by Garbageman33

    Word is, it smells like sunflowers.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 9:53 a.m. CST


    by The Funketeer

    You know the studio has confidence in a big budget sci-fi movie when they push it back to the fall. That's when studios release all their big action pics y'know. Just imagine if Warren Ellis worked on this movie as well. It would be even cooler then.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 9:58 a.m. CST

    joss whedon can kiss my ass...

    by rebel299

    ...because he owes it back to somebody for all the dumb fucks around here who kiss his. you people talk like Buffy and Angel were the greatest things since sliced bread. sorry to break it to you, but all they were was a steaming pile of crap filled mostly with pretty faces who couldn't act their way out of a paper sack.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Star Wars fans embrace

    by aBoris26

    I am a HUGE Star Wars fan, hyperspace member, dvd collector, action figures the whole bit, loved all the movies, even TPM. So, I consider my self IN, but I just want to know; when did Star Wars fans become overprotective clique highschool girls loarding over their star quarterback beau? When ever someone speaks ill of the holy movies, in talkback they bite back as if someone attacked their first born! I am personally looking forward to Serenity, i've been a fan of Joss Whedon and Firefly was my favorite show of the three. It is not Star Wars, nor is it trying to one up Star Wars, good science fiction like this doesn't come around very ofte, such as like a Star Wars movie. Star Wars fans, let the rookie running back have his day, you can always cheer as your QB throughs for more touchdowns than anyother player in history.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 10:11 a.m. CST

    I think the people expecting Serenity bomb are the same people t

    by The Outlander

    Serenity is already a guarantied success, thanks to the Firefly DVD sales. It only needs to make about $100 million worldwide for it to become profitable and it clearly has all the ingredients to attract a very large audience (kind of like Pirates of The Caribbean or Spiderman), which it probably won't need to do become a success. I can wait to see the trailer, and after I

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Serenity now indeed - Bush country!

    by The Colonel

    This is why people hate Bush voters:

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Mal shoots first...

    by Darth_Nader

    Just trying it on for size.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 10:29 a.m. CST

    The sir are wrong.

    by StudioPlant69

    Funketeer, it's not really a big budget movie, it's more like a mid range budget. Really a small budget studio movie if you look at budgets now a days. The studio knows that the movie will make a boat load of money on DVD so they'll screw with the theatrical release. Many movies do ok or bomb in the theater, but make a bundle on DVD... Case in point, Austin Powers - did ok in the theater, but made a lot more on DVD/Home video. DVD is the main reason you got The Borne Supremecy made. I hope the movie does well in both markets. GFY

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Whedon writes realistic characters?

    by DannyOcean01

    Pardonezz mwa. If any of the Buffy characters were alive today they'd've been killed long ago for being such annoying, bitter, sardonic buttfucks. Whedon writes well rounded characters, but he has a habit of pumping them with one-liners which is really grating.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 10:44 a.m. CST

    No way will it do huge money.

    by ChorleyFM

    It is a much less recognisable property than LOTR, Spiderman, and even the Titanic, also it won't get a big action movie crowd ala the Matrix and it doesn't really have a big name in the cast like POTC(just mentioning what people mentioned before). The closest thing you can liken it to as an underground property is probably Hellboy, similarly it has a cast without big names, the two both have creators at the helm that provide a big fanboy response, I would probbly say firefly is more recognisable than Hellboy was and less odd sounding, but Serenity is definately a more audience friendly proposal as you have sci-fi with some horror stuff in the reavers. I am almost certain tht Serenity will do Hellboy type money if not more, and factoring in DVD sales it will be healthily profitable. Even if it was a Summer movie it wouldn't do huge numbers against everything else next year but it will do enough to get a sequel.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by ChorleyFM

    I can guarantee it will get s good or better reviews almost everywhere except this site.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Happily Surprised, good reviewer alias, i hope it's a trend that

    by Floyd Gondolli

    I look forward to reading reviews from Mildly Entertained, Bitterly Disappointed and George Lucas Has Just Raped My Childhood (not that I'm saying ROTS will be bad). I do hope Serenity will be good, perhaps even great. Now I am off to grieve over the loss of Naomi Watts. I knew she'd go sooner or later, but her sudden departure has hit me harder than expected. It is a great loss, she was a ray of sunshine in the grey, bleak skies of Aint-It-Cool. It feels like the end of an era, the era of the Naomi Watts advertisement.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 11:26 a.m. CST

    So that was you, Herc.

    by EeterOfWurldz

    I thiught I saw you down in the front. You just weren't as snazzily dressed as during the Kerry thing.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 11:29 a.m. CST


    by Mafu

    I'm excited to see this movie, but I'm going to maintain a certain equanimity until I see a trailer or preview. The early reviews seemed positive, and were surprisingly spoiler-free, but I won't allow myself to believe in the hype. After all, the movie doesn't come out for almost another year. Good luck, Joss.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 12:17 p.m. CST


    by War_Tourist

    If don't you like Firefly, you are deeply, deeply retarded.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Please revoke Herc's movie posting privileges again

    by Skylewalker

    The man can have his tv sidebar, but this constant masturbation over Whedon and everything he has ever touched hurts this entire site. Although an unabashed Buffy fan, I can't stand to see such Junior High-ish ravings time after time. Herc, draw a picture of Whedon on your notebook or hang one up in your locker but please keep the completely uncritical crush elements of this relationship out of view. Seriously, I think Herc does a good job on everything except anything that has to do with Whedon. Where his name is involved, Herc needs to be filtered by accompanying Harry or Moriarty commententary or else silenced completely because it's damaging to this site's credibility in the eyes of true movie people.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 12:43 p.m. CST

    This movie SHOULD rule

    by RoomOnFire

    As long as they keep the hokey western elements off to the side and keep the movie focused and not overly ambitious like that Riddick movie, Serenity should be amazing. The show ruled, but I'll admit that it didn't exactly have mainstream appeal. Sci-fi and Westerns are both hard sells, I think. I dislike the fact that the girl is now a government-trained super-killer (so fucking cliche)...but if anyone can make that cliche interesting again, it will be Joss Whedon. In a side note, I hope the characters in the movie speak more Chinese and we get to see some Chinese people. I always liked how in the series that pretty much everyone could speak Chinese as a second language, even grunts like Jayne. It was a small thing, but added a lot of depth to the universe.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 1:27 p.m. CST

    ALIEN RESSURECTION sucked arse

    by Spacesheik

    Joss Whedon is way way overrated. And I dont like WB tv crap anyway. If he goes anywhere near X MEN ill refuse to see the film. WONDER WOMAN is more suited to his 'talents'

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 1:31 p.m. CST

    anybody else...

    by ReDWasK

    not give two shits about this crap?

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Firefly DVDs

    by Barry Egan

    How many Firefly DVD sets were sold? If everybody who bought one takes two friends on opening weekend, this will pull in a pretty tidy sum. Let the grass roots marketing campaign begin!

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 1:46 p.m. CST

    What's the big deal?

    by Hunter-X

    How many episodes of Firefly were even made? Why's everybody freaking out over this show? I admit I didn't watch a single one, but it seemed like it was broadcast for like two weeks and dropped out of existence. Is it on DVD or something? I would seem like it would've been on a little longer than that if it was worth a crap.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 2:19 p.m. CST

    You know, I would really like to see this movie do well.

    by The Killer-Goat

    To be one of those sleeper hits like the first Matrix film, or the Iron Giant dvd. But all this hype is just going to kill that. I watched some Buffy shows and only liked the really funny moments, everything else was blah. Angel? Just a televised harlequinn drama with nothing but pretty people (where do these folks find the time to spend 3hrs getting their hair done every morning before work??!). But I liked Serenity. If Fox hadn't screwed up the sequence of episodes, it would have been a locomotive. Hopefully they'll omit the dreaded "western time period" crap from the series and just stick with their strengths: kickass characters and acting (something SW and Enterprise are sorely lacking these days).

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 2:41 p.m. CST


    by Vision

    Nobody expects quality on US television, they expect braindead run of the mill crap, so when Firefly showed up and was actually very talented and very good the word spread too slowly to save it on the air.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 3:12 p.m. CST


    by jancola

    Firefly was one of the top-selling DVD's when it came out, and THAT's why they are making a movie. It is worth watching, even if Fox cancelled it after ten episodes -- Fox has a splendid history of cancelling really good shows. This movie will make money on DVD sales alone, because it makes good on a promise to a solid fan base.............and Mal does shoot first! Twice!

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I like firefly even with all it's flaws

    by JackDonkey

    Firefly is not without flaws, personally I hate the character of River, she is an obvious reinassance festival volunteer employee. I don't like Gina Torress much either. But I think Firefly is one of the best shows ever. It's not ideological like Star Trek, it's not magic fantasy like star wars, it's only humans. the River part I guess could be kind of fantasy like using the force is so maybe that's why the character annoys me.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Did Herc get all excited by the Buffy Movie, Alien Resurrection,

    by Mr. Profit

    I loved Buffy until her 2nd year of college happened. The show just started to falter. If he was smarter, he would have made Buffy join some new elite underground organization that kills monsters something to make the show live a little more. Then the show would have been better, giving Buffy something to do rather than be selfish and work at the Doublemeat Palace. And her sister coming on ruined everything. Joss left the show and the writers turned her into a whore, Willow a lesbian, Xander had nothing to do. Giles was gone. It was all a mess by the end. I only tuned into the last ep out of loyalty and it ended horribly. And in one hour. Joss has great potential to do good in him, but he has to fix Buffy by making a movie before I can appreciate anything else he does. He essentially abandoned the character that blew his ass up.

  • ...I have no doubt Serenity will be a great film. All the 15 year old h8rs can call Joss and whoever fags all day long but in the end this will still be a great film. Damn, are people so pateically sad that all they can do is insult and demean others? As to "Cowboy Bebop" So The FUCK what. I whatched one episode. It was like a video version of ""

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 4:09 p.m. CST

    "This is why people hate Bush voters: http://www.intrepidmedia.c

    by The Killer-Goat

    Um, because someone posted a really lame, unfunny parody about an extremist bible-thumper? I don't get it. If anything, this just serves to lower the collective IQ of democrats and republicans everywhere who read that.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Who gives a shit? Let's talk about some real movies!

    by BigTuna

    Fucking sci-fi fanboy shit. That's all this site cares about anymore.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 4:32 p.m. CST

    "The amount of hate and acrimony in ths TBs is always quite ente

    by The Killer-Goat

    Right. Not being a vitriol-spewing denizen yourself, that is... Man, you need to learn the Numbah One Rool in Anime: never. watch. dub. And way to condemn a show based on just one ep.I'd say the mere suggestion of comparing one great show to another, even for the purposes of trolling, just serves to highlight the qualities of each, to those who watched (and appreciated) both. Bebop has great atmosphere and Firefly has great character. We all win.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Bebop and dubbing

    by Spaceman Spliff

    Normally I'd agree with you about subtitles vs. dubbing, Killer Goat, but Cowboy Bebop is one of the few exceptions. I actually prefer the english voices (maybe because Ed's Japanese voice is that of a typically saccharine anime girl, maybe just because I saw the dubbed version first). Anyway, those are my two cents. Back to the topic at hand, though: I'm dying to see Serenity on the big screen! Firefly really took the sting out of Farscape's cancellation. The western conceit was a little hard to swallow at first, I admit, but if you could get past that you were in for something you almost forgot existed: Quality.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 7:16 p.m. CST


    by Brummy Scotty


  • Dec. 15, 2004, 8:06 p.m. CST

    hardcore spoilers (request, not in the post)

    by Doc Brown

    C'mon guys, where can I get some real spoilers about SERENITY? I want details about EVERYTHING, can anyone direct me to a site that doesn't beat around the spoiler bush?

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Unsubstantiated Rumors From Chud

    by The Outlander

    Where are the negative reviews for Serenity? All I have seen is about half a dozen extremely positive ones, and for the record I like the Director's Cut of Star Trek The Motion Picture much more than The Wrath of Kahn.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 8:37 p.m. CST

    They toned down the western bullshit? I may check this out then

    by Horseflesh

    Every. Single. Time. I've had countless people tell me to check this show out and I can't go 2 minutes without wanting to vomit at the western shit being shoved down my throat.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 9:23 p.m. CST


    by liljuniorbrown

    Man,nothing but hate on this site.Your all a bunch of wanna be movie reviewers but you hate every movie that you here about before you get to see it. You think if you make enough shit statements on sites like this that it might bury a movie before it gets made,well guess what dick licks,you only shoot yourselves in the foot,cause if this flops then you'll never get to see whatever "thing" you geek out over make it to a diffrent medium.And for all the Buffy and Angel haters....keep beating off to that anime porn and Marilyn Manson music and hating the "real pretty people" and do us all a big favor soon and turn the gun on yourself.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 9:49 p.m. CST

    "The audience was filled with old Whedon fans. And they seemed q

    by Triumph poops!

    Gee, a bunch of Whedonites showing up together to have a mutual circle jerkfest OVER a new Whedon project. Wow, and Herc loved the movie AND managed to get in yet another one of his tired STAR WARS prequel jabs. He must feel he's having a great day. Sorry, but you'll have to forgive me if I say these reviews (and the test audience's reaction to the film) are therefore skewed. Then again, Herc drew the biggest laugh when he said there were 6 or so "Han Solo caliber characters" in FIREFLY. Truth be told, there isn't even 1 Jar Jar level character in all of Firefly. Man, talk about bad TV actors now becoming bad TV actors on the big screen. The only sound you'll hear come September is the huge sucking sound this film will make at the box office...

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 10:35 p.m. CST

    LMAO! Are you kidding me? -- "I

    by Big Dumb Ape

    What a lame review. Are you kidding me? Putting the often outright laughable and amateurish TV level staged fight scenes from BUFFY in the same breath (and thus trying to give them equal weight) as the brilliantly choreographed fight scenes from KILL BILL instantly pegged THAT person as yet another "I can't kiss Joss' ass enough" fan. Not to mention it utterly negated their review since clearly it shows they can't tell the difference between crap and quality...

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 10:50 p.m. CST

    i'd say that tracks with the whedon / wonder woman rumors

    by atomheartbrother

    which of course leads to box office nirvana and then the inevitable buffy / angel thingy in which gellar gets to desperately want to work with whedon for a change. or not. and note to star wars - buffy- angel haters: you fools just don't know nuthin'! their basic concepts elude you thoroughly and you have no one to blame but yourselves! and frankly it's just sad! but still, you entertain me.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 11:57 p.m. CST

    The whole "it's too western" thing

    by SG7

    I loved the western spin. What? Not all colonies are happy glass utopias (IE: star trek)? No way! It made sense to me that a primitive colony would rely on human and animal labor over machines. Cows and horses make more cows and horses. Did you ever see two tractors fuck and make more tractors? No. And unless the planet had tractor fuel and food mines it would be useless eventually. I think too many people play games like Stars! or Master of Orion and think you just mine fuel and a food. An agraian "western" culture made sense in the American West and it makes sense on other worlds. Give a man a horse and a few head of cattle and he can live forever if he knows what he's doing. Give him a tractor and he's got, well, a tractor. The cool thing about Firefly is you saw the hard, dusty frontier towns on barely habitable worlds AND the shiny glass utopias. That's one of the things that made it great. It felt like a real place filled with real people rather than some sterile bland place filled with pompous lecturing philsophers.

  • Dec. 15, 2004, 11:59 p.m. CST

    So Wash and Zoe are the ones that were rumored as the cut charac

    by Lenny Nero

    Zoe was pretty badass, too. Damn.

  • Dec. 16, 2004, midnight CST

    Predictions, actors, westerns, and Starbucks

    by SkiffyPup

    Good SF is usually good box office. I predict a midlevel performance that can be spun as successful. Did the TV show air overseas? If so, ho did it perform? If not, how will they sell this globally? Must be why there is backstory given for everyone. I am beyond glad the "western" conceit is toned down! Sooo irritating, I hardly ever watched the whole show. *click* Gina Torres rocks in everything she has ever done- except Cleo 2525- which was not savable. Whoever said River= RenFair volunteer... SPOT ON! I hope the movie makes her more interesting. Fillon is the dullest, most nondescript, yet competent, actor around. How does this walking slice of milquetoast boredom keep getting such interesting roles? Whom is he blowing? Why isn't he a nice-guy romantic lead in some TV primetime network fluff sitcom or drama? I look forward to the movie and, unlike some knee-JERKS herein, shall reserve my judgement until after I have seen it.

  • Dec. 16, 2004, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Starbucks, really this time.

    by SkiffyPup

    Shall we all fall for the meth addict's "Moe's Tavern" Simpsonesqe trick? Each of us walk into the Starbucks on Devonshire and shout "Who is 'Gifted In The Pants?' I am here to find you if you're 'Gifted In The Pants'!" --- very Moe, that.

  • Dec. 16, 2004, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Re: the whole "western" thing.

    by The Killer-Goat

    I don't have a problem with using traditional, good ol' fashioned oxen-power to run the grain mill. But tell me, looked around at any farmers today? See any dressed like Billy the Kid or some pilgrim from Little House on the Prarie? Unless you live on Amish-Planet, I wouldn't think so. There's no accounting for taste, but why the bloody hell did they have to raid Clint Eastwood's old costume dept. to get the effect of "wild, wild west???" What, tailors in the future decided that modern underwear, baseball caps or regular button denims weren't practical or simple enough? Look, I'm willing to accept the fact that hundreds of years of progress in education of basic building construction or agriculture got trimmed down to bare essentials due to limited cash flow, but it was just a bad cliche to use dated costumes.

  • Dec. 16, 2004, 2:44 a.m. CST

    good god what the hell does it take

    by The Killer-Goat

    to have the DAMN TALKBACK STAY IN ORDER??????????!!!

  • Dec. 16, 2004, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Hmn, I dug the "western" thing. grrr, see Josh in your effort to

    by Anlashok

    You went and ercked the shok'man. Now let's see, if this movie doesn't do well, what will purest fans like me have to show it, a "diluted" Firefly movie (enter madarin slur here). Ah well, I'll always have the DVDs.

  • Dec. 16, 2004, 9:59 a.m. CST

    I liked the western stuff

    by JackDonkey

    It made sense, plus it would be lame to combine space ships with having to land on a planet and then rent a car to go talk to badger.

  • Dec. 16, 2004, 11:59 a.m. CST


    by War_Tourist

    You retard, try READING this fool!

  • Dec. 16, 2004, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Whedon salted the audience, doesn't he trust his movie?

    by Silver Shamrock

    The real story isn't that there was a test screening, the story is that Whedon ginned up a screening with his clique to create positive buzz. Why is it that everything I've seen by Whedon (Alien Resurection, Buffy the movie, and more hours of Buffy the TV I care to admit) kinda sucks?

  • Dec. 16, 2004, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Not the biggest Whedon fan in the world...

    by Sod Off Baldric

    Unlike Herc, I don't pretend to believe that the dialogue that comes out of the mouths of Whedon's ultra-annoying Buffy/Angel characters sounds even the least bit realistic, but I managed to become a big Firefly fan once I finally sat down and watched the DVD set. Admittedly, it's no Farscape (the best damn sci-fi show...period), and it's not in the league of Star Trek: The Next Generation, but Firefly is solid entertainment. I'm anxiously awaiting Serenity and will be in the cinema on opening day.

  • Dec. 17, 2004, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Why not do Brisco County JR. The Movie?

    by Lordspivious

    NOt a big firefly fan but a big buffy/angel fan. And Hopefully Joss does do X3. And Maybe Wonder woman if done right (Must have eliza dushku or some unknown to play the lead part) But Brisco County Jr would be a good movie for him as well. I dont know about SERENITY cant judge till I see it myself.

  • Dec. 18, 2004, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Alright, bitches.

    by joe brady

    You. You are. You're. They. They are. They're. "They're going to an orgy.". "Their orgy is being held at the usual place.". "You're an asshole.". "Your stupidity makes you an asshole.". Your collective ignorance of the English language is pathetic. I'm generalizing, of course, but I swear... a lot of you people are just stupid.

  • Dec. 18, 2004, 2:36 a.m. CST


    by Jeditemple

    The public doesn't give a crap about oddly-named Sci-Fi movies. They won't recognize this as Firefly, even if they knew what that was. Big time bomb coming...

  • Dec. 20, 2004, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    I think that "Buffy" and "Angel" fans are quite possibly the only group of people more hostile than their detractors. I haven't exposed myself to much of either show so I listen to Marilyn Manson and beat off to anime porn? Whatever you say chief.

  • Dec. 21, 2004, 7:01 p.m. CST


    by allykatD

    I am so looking foward to this movie, more than Batman,more than Star Wars. I got all teary-eyed when I read these reviews. When Farscape was taken from us, at least we had Firefly, but then they took that, too. Bastards! At least we get a Serenity movie and maybe, must maybe, it'll resurrect the TV show, or perhaps more followup movies. -Allykat

  • May 2, 2005, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Oh, you flames amuse me

    by Zoecb

    I come across a few Whedon bashers. Now in my anti-bashing line of duty, usually I feel the urge to defend my fandoms to the death, but with my Whedon fandoms, I just don't need to! No criticisms anyone has ever given me has ever swayed my opinion in the slightest. Whedon is the ultimate fandom for me, I see people who don't get him. And all I can do is laugh. One time, I tried to convince a scpetic that BtVS was a good show and I just couldn't start. There was too much. I just fell into laughter. If you don't get it, I think you're beyond help. I pity you. What do we have to lose here? The only consequence of this is that we get joy out of the Whedon world and you don't - ergo, we're happier than you. Is that really something you're so proud of?

  • May 2, 2005, 5:33 a.m. CST


    by Zoecb

    Typing error^ *sceptic

  • Sept. 22, 2008, 3:32 a.m. CST

    I am sorry talbackers...

    by The Eskimo

    ...from the past. But this by far trumps even ther best shit we see on television now-a-days, so bring on a Firefly redub, redone, reprise, whatever...THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN!