Dec. 13, 2004, 4:45 p.m. CST
I've never been a fan of the books - I don't even recall WWII being in them - but that looks nice.
Dec. 13, 2004, 4:48 p.m. CST
...it's weird seeing something that's been an idea for so long actually make its way to the big screen. Pictures are really vividly rendered and indeed, I'll be pretty pumped if the rest of the movie looks that good.
Dec. 13, 2004, 4:49 p.m. CST
The centaurs and minotaurs and whatnot look incredible, but it all still smacks of leftover LOTR stuff. You'd think they would have started from scratch and provided an distinctly different visual flavor for this series of films. I mean, King Kong probably won't look like LOTR, but CON:LWW sure does. I just think WETA should show us what they can do, rather than what they are doing.
Dec. 13, 2004, 4:49 p.m. CST
Enjoyed this footage.
Dec. 13, 2004, 5:09 p.m. CST
Dec. 13, 2004, 5:20 p.m. CST
do the effects for Princess of Mars. And it should be just like the books, rated R. OR, WETA should begin a truly epic series of films based on L. Frank Baum's Oz books. They could even skip Wizard of Oz completely.
Dec. 13, 2004, 5:22 p.m. CST
'Only in the mind's eye' till now? I remember an animated version of this tale, and IMDb shows that's one of _three_ previous screen versions (the other two were live action series in 1967 and 1988). So it's been in more than the mind's eye for nearly 40 years! Which is not to say they can't do a fine job. Even if WETA's 'look' is a bit obvious here (the characters in the clip look like they walked off the set of the Lord of the Rings). And fer chrissakes, Harry, it's a 'peek', not a 'peak'. :)
Dec. 13, 2004, 5:23 p.m. CST
by Joe Cool #2
... "Peek". P-E-E-K. "Peak" is the top or crest of an object (like a mountain or wave), or something you seem to do every time someone mentions a Godzilla movie. Not gonna help your nephew win a lot of spelling bees that way, amigo.
Dec. 13, 2004, 5:36 p.m. CST
i really hope they give this movie a bit of an adult edge -- make it more like LOTR and less like Harry Potter. the stills are encouraging to this end. hopefully, the success of LOTR will convince them not to make it too dainty.
Dec. 13, 2004, 6:23 p.m. CST
by George Newman
And the Quicktime Finally Works!!!
Dec. 13, 2004, 6:41 p.m. CST
Sort of. That's why the children are off at the relative's home, if I remember right. What's the deal with the trailer voice man's pronunciation of Narnia? "The Chronicles... oh NAneea!"
Dec. 13, 2004, 8:17 p.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
If I recall correctly they actually did a few of the books. They weren't half bad either.
Dec. 13, 2004, 8:45 p.m. CST
I love how the scabbard for the minotaurs goes all the way down their body.
Dec. 13, 2004, 10:23 p.m. CST
Christian fantasy fiction becomes movie franchise. Yippie! Not.
Dec. 13, 2004, 11:23 p.m. CST
Dec. 13, 2004, 11:23 p.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2004, 5:15 a.m. CST
Well , if you say it how it is written NARnia- you sound like you are from the west of england, err like i actually am . Or maybe you sound american . I imagine it's acceptable to say NAR nia if your an american.. i haven't listened to the trailer - i suppose it would sound odd an american saying Naaania? Also what happened to the Magicians Nephew ? The lion .. wasn't the first book .. you know if your gonna do one .. i don't know.. i read all 8 (i think it is) along time ago .
Dec. 14, 2004, 9:12 a.m. CST
The Magician's Nephew was the sixth book written, and actually works better as the prequel it is than as the beginning of a series. The publishers' decision to swap the order so that the books ran chronologically destroyed a very important aspect of the story. As regards the book's Christian basis, well I hope the filmmakers tone it down a bit for a wider audience, particularly the later books' surprisingly fervent anti-Islamism.
Dec. 14, 2004, 9:43 a.m. CST
I'm patiently waiting to hear what Harry?Mori/Anybody has to say about this year's GG nominations - and yet the newest thing on this site is this article about yet another fantasy film, due out next year. Is it possible that Harry et al haven't actually seen Kinsey, Aviater, Closer etc? If so, they really need to spend a bit (just a bit!) less of their time watching obscure nonsense which will be dismissed by a vast majority of film fans, hardcore and casual alike.
Dec. 14, 2004, 12:03 p.m. CST
Has anybody heard anything from the producers/studio as to whether the blatant religious symbolism will be left in ala Sons of Adam/Daughters of Eve; Edmund betraying Aslan; Aslan being tortured and slain on the "old Law" etc. Personally, id think it would be wise of the filmmakers to maybe softpedal some of the more obvious imagery - subtle touches would keep those who enjoy it happy while not overtly distancing the mainstream.
Dec. 14, 2004, 1:02 p.m. CST
by Shaner Jedi
....but Rhythm and Hues and Sony Imageworks. Some spillover may go to WETA DIGITAL if the need arises, but WETA WORKSHOP are the ones doing the miniature and practical effects. WETA Digital tried to get the contract for CG stuff too but lost out in the bidding. They have their hands full with Kong anyway.
Dec. 14, 2004, 2:04 p.m. CST
sure I flung the book across the room when I finally realized Aslan was JC, after reading LWW a 3rd time. and Eustace's parents in Voyage of the Dawn Treader were a little too much like my own. But I got over it and came to enjoy the books anyway. Dawn Treader is my favorite. What will bother me is if they put too much sappiness in, religious or not. I hate sappy. ++ There have been other versions of LWW, but nothing spectacular. The cartoon version with American voices was OK. The British live-action version was worthy of MST3K treatment. You never saw such a hammy Witch.
Dec. 14, 2004, 3:19 p.m. CST
people bashing LWW for christian overtones is hilarious. i didn't hear these ranters going off on tolkien's heavy catholic/christian influence on LOTR. maybe they're oblivious. and don't even try to argue it's different because tolkien was more subtle. if you don't like the content, don't watch the film. for that matter, why even check this story link?
Dec. 14, 2004, 3:43 p.m. CST
Sorry, I saw that "peak" and thought "Peake" as in Mervyn Peake, the writer of Gormengast! Now there's an interesting series. The BBC did a great job with it. Had Christopher Lee and everything. Hey, speaking of Lee, what the heck is happening with that Last Unicorn movie he was going to be in? We need Grade A fantasy in theaters next December.
Dec. 14, 2004, 3:46 p.m. CST
I don't know the name of that house, but I don't think I've seen it in a movie since "Death on the Nile." Actually, I probably have, just didn't recognize it. Oh and I misspelled Gormenghast! Geez, I need my vodka.
Dec. 14, 2004, 5:29 p.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2004, 5:43 p.m. CST
So let me get this straight. Some of the non-Christian people who've been preaching to us Christians that we need to be more tolerant of people with different religious views think in this case the Author's original intent should be removed from the Narnia tales because it doesn't gel with their world view and it makes them uncomfortable. Does that make sense to anyone? Why shouldn't Christian literature recieve the same respectful treatment as secular lit.?
Dec. 14, 2004, 11:50 p.m. CST
Dec. 15, 2004, 2:28 a.m. CST
Dec. 15, 2004, 2:46 a.m. CST
And according to IMDB Dean Wright is the CG visual effects supervisor? He is such a sniveling TALENTLESS self serving former bean counter that nothing short of an amazing A list crew will make this come off well They'll have to work around his ass He is such a self absorbed dickhead So many people have hated working under the midget GOOD LUCK youll need it
Dec. 15, 2004, 5:51 a.m. CST
Have you actually read the end of Return of the King? It's quite obvious.Loads of decent writers gave their heroes Christ-like qualities, get over it. Gandalf was an angel for fuck's sake - what the hell is the matter with you people?
Dec. 15, 2004, 6:21 a.m. CST
by Some Dude
...Christian content is lame. And it is an amalgam of lies and delusion, like any other religion, cult or pseudoscience.
Dec. 15, 2004, 9:24 a.m. CST
It's different. Because tolkien was more subtle. Come on, you can find allegory in tons of books (and movies), but few as overt and almost literal as Narnia. Not that it's a bad thing, it's just incredibly obvious. I assume they'll put less emphasis on the religious aspects but still leave a fair amount of it in. They can't cut it completely, things like Aslan's resurrection are integral to the plot, and the last battle is nothing but retelling. I'm just curious if they'll make all seven, a couple of the books are weak. Is there really any way to make a decent (and not racist) movie of Horse and his Boy?
Dec. 15, 2004, 9:50 a.m. CST
that would not only be utterly mad, but impossible. A bit like taking all references to God out of His Dark Materials -oh wait, they're doing that. Anyway, Narnia is Christian allegory. To portray it as anything else would be an artistic betrayal. However, there are certain elements, not necessarily within LWW, but in the later books, particularly "A Horse and His Boy" and "The Last Battle", that have, shall we say, not aged well. In particular Lewis's veiled assertions that Muslims worship a demon god and that they consider "fair and white" people "accursed but beautiful barbarians."
Dec. 15, 2004, 10:01 a.m. CST
and Batman is the old testament Jehovah... . Seriousely who cares ? the books were good. In any good VS evil story there's always going to be religeous metaphors .
Dec. 15, 2004, 11:37 a.m. CST
I have to say that I am really impressed with what I have seen so far. I just hope if LWW is a hit and they do sequels with a new director they don't get Alfonso Cuaron to direct or we will no doubt get a re-imagining instead of a sequel.
Dec. 15, 2004, 11:54 a.m. CST
Yes the Horse and his Boy does have the Calorman nation, which wants to invade Narnia and Archenland shown as a dark skinned arabian culture. However as I have said before, the main heroine is a dark skinned Calormene. The religion of Calormen is nothing remotely like Islam, Tash their bird headed god is very like an old testament pagan god of Egypt etc. As long as the movie makers (like LOTR) show the culture as distinctive from any modern culture there should be no problems. There are any number of ancient cultures that the movie makers can combine and alter e.g. Egypt, Hitite, Philistine to create a new culture faithful to the books but not likely to offend anyone. It is strange no one is bothered at movies which are anti-English like Braveheart. Or the anti-British Patriot. Even though the United Kindom is one of Hollywoods most important markets, the British and the English in particular are picked on.
Dec. 15, 2004, 12:01 p.m. CST
maybe 'subtle' was a poor choice of words. the obvious biblical parallels in LOTR seem bang-you-over-the-head obvious to me. either way, i don't think it gets in the way of a well-written story (which i think both LOTR and the narnia series are). and people certainly can't bitch they didn't see it coming if they go to LWW, because the 'connection' has been hammered home here on the message boards and everywhere else.
Dec. 15, 2004, 2:47 p.m. CST
Tons of non christians watched the passion and only cared about how good of a film it was or wasn't. Non christians will not care about the religious symbolism in LWW. The book has lots of non-christian fans (They are fans of fantasy novels). The only movie goers who will really care about the religious symbolism will be christian movie goers. And like that other talkbaker already stated, changing the religious symbolism would be an artistic betrayal of the source material.
Dec. 15, 2004, 11:32 p.m. CST
by Cajun Lightning
How do you guys suggest removing the Christian allegory from the Narnia books? Or even toning it down? The story would be, "Once upon a time, a girl named Lucy found a magical land inside her wardrobe. She met a nice Fawn and they had some tea. The end." If you find the references to be a bit heavy handed, then that is perfectly reasonable. But to suggest that they remove them altogether is a bit ridiculous. If you have that large a problem with the subtext, then you obviously don't like the books so just sit this one out. I probably will.
Dec. 16, 2004, 12:42 a.m. CST
to take out the christian overtones is to remove the heart of the story. if you're going to do that, just call it something besides an adaptation of the books because it won't be. as for the Calormen in Horse and Boy, if you're stupid enough to think muslims still ride around on horses wielding scimitars with long pointy beards, then no movie is going to help or hurt your delusion. you non-Christians, enjoy it as a fantasy tale and (hopefully) a well-done film. i didn't hear you complain about Neo sacrificing himself to save mankind at the end of matrix:rev. oh, and the featurette was excellent, since this is theoretically what the article's about. i'm spent
Dec. 16, 2004, 12:29 p.m. CST
To anyone who wants to remove the religious imagery from Chronicles of Narnia, don't ask for that. There are three reasons why. One, it's a free country even though conservatives are doing their best to change that. Two, religious overtones can make secular stories interesting and vice versa. Star Wars obviously has religous overtones in it. "May the force be with you", Anakin being an immaculate conception. Three, your just giving these religous wack jobs ammo for their cause and making them feel even more paranoid. These nutjobs want to accuse everyone left of Pat Buchanan of oppressing them and their Christian beliefs when nothing could be further from the truth. Government should be secular, the politicians we elect should be secular, the education our kids receive should certainly be secular. Entertainment doesn't always have to be secular. Keep the Christian stuff in Narnia. If anything, Christian ideals of martyrdom, helping the poor and less fortunate and selflessness are liberal ideals and not conservative.
Dec. 16, 2004, 1:35 p.m. CST
by Dog Of Mystery
Christianity sucks, but as people have said, the subtext of the Narnia books is hard-wired in. As long as people remember that the myth of the 'one true saviour' eg Star Wars, The Matrix, er... Ferris Bueller, etc is fantasy, everything's swell. The tragedy is that so many don't and wait out their lives waiting to be rescued. *** Oh and Kerry won, Bush cheated.
Dec. 16, 2004, 4:21 p.m. CST
Dec. 16, 2004, 6:29 p.m. CST
Yeah, you're probably right. Judging from the past, the best thing to do to a fantasy franchise is to change it and dumb it down, so it's more mainstream-friendly. Staying true to the books really seems to ruin the movies.
Dec. 17, 2004, 12:40 p.m. CST
by Shaner Jedi
last time I checked R&H were still on the film, but SPI keeps getting additional shots everyday so who knows eventually.
Dec. 17, 2004, 2:04 p.m. CST
is 1) that the screenwriters realize what is needed to alter the story to make it suitable to the very different art form of the screen, and 2) that they do so while staying as faithful to the text as possible. LOTR was, by Tolkien's own admission, a consciously Christian and Catholic story, though subtly so at points; and much of that sensibility made it onto the screen, not because Jackson was focused on doing so but because he was focused on staying faithful to the spirit and heart of the story as much as possible. Narnia is a more consciously Christian work and to strip it of its Christian sensibility would be to make it no longer Narnia. That's just the way it is. For those with axes to grind over Christianity it may be best just to give Narnia - and threads here about it - a pass. All you can do is wait until the film adapatation of HIS DARK MATERIALS comes out - and hope a) that the screenwriters are similarly faithful to that work, and b) that the Christians don't come in to keep the sectarian brawl going. Either way, WETA seems to be carving out quite a role for itself in the movie effects business - and I say good on 'em.
Dec. 17, 2004, 4:39 p.m. CST
Excellent work from WETA...as usual!
Dec. 18, 2004, 1:50 p.m. CST
they ARE doing an adaptation of His Dark Materials, and have already stated that they will remove all references to God from it. This is rather unfair, seeing as all indications are that the Christian elements of Narnia are going to be preserved. When you consider that the His Dark Materials trilogy was written essentially as a hate letter to CS Lewis, one has to wonder how Pullman will see his and Lewis's legacies so differently treated. Let me say before I sign off that I'm not a fan of HDM; I find the tone of the books, particulalry the third one, hectoring, boorish and morally disturbing. But to play so fast and loose with the central message of anyone's work is an artistic crime.
Dec. 20, 2004, 4:13 a.m. CST
I had NO clue growing up as a Christian that the Narnia books were written by a religious person. Hell, I wasn't allowed to read them cause they were fantasy. I didn't know that the Lord of the Rings were written by the a Christian until seminary when I read one of Tolkiens religious books. Don't worry about crazy religious extremists on this one... they are interested in Narnia and Disney knows that. And... the creation history of the Lord of the Rings is a direct alagory to Christian creationism. I mean... bam! it is direct. And Gandalf was an angel. No doubts about that. Doesn't mean that any Christian extremists know or care about that. To them, free will and thought are evil. Fantasy is of the devil. I always thought that was funny... that God created humans in his image... and Christians extremists think creativity is bad... but abusing and destroying is good. Wow. What can you say about extremists... koo koo!
Dec. 20, 2004, 4:14 a.m. CST
Dec. 20, 2004, 8:35 a.m. CST
Lucas had it then he trashed it giving us R2 zapping Ewok butt, and stepping on poo jokes in TPM. Matrix had it, then the WBs suddenly forgot how to direct. PJ and WETA are at the top circle of the industry and until the competitors can prove otherwise with their track record. Of course KK if bad, could screw it up, but 3 superb movies in a roll redefining a complete trilogy still deserves high expectations up to now.
Dec. 20, 2004, 10:58 a.m. CST
http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/easy_find?Ntk=product.long_title_desc&Ntt=narnia&action=Search&N=0&Ne=0&event=ESRCN&nav_search=1&cms=1&Go.x=22&Go.y=4 http://www.parable.com/parable/item_0064471195.htm http://www.e-ternaltreasures.com/prod-search.aspx?key=narnia&WebID=6360da95-0a15-4e76-9b13-52a914b2fa16&fld_code=title&cart=0&xcart=0
Dec. 20, 2004, 12:32 p.m. CST
by Shaner Jedi
...PJ didn't deliver a complete trilogy, sorry. He barely delivered two entertaining films. And many of those same artists that are praised from their work at WETA on LOTR are now back in the states working at Sony and, SHOCK!...ILM.
Dec. 20, 2004, 3:42 p.m. CST
I'll take the bait: What do you mean by
Dec. 20, 2004, 3:53 p.m. CST
so what if some folks were recruited from ILM to do work for WETA on LoTR? That happens all the time and I think movie fans are better off for that sort of crossover in the industry. What, gifted technical folk are supposed to be a slave to one director or movie house? Geez man, whatever happened to people getting excited over something instead of this stupid assed
April 19, 2005, 6:39 p.m. CST
SO MY TEACHER PUTS US TO READ THE LION THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IN THE FUCK WORLD THE BOOK IS ABOUT. AND THAT DESCUSTING PETERS SWIPES THE WOLF'S BLOOD WITH HIS JACKET. TODAY IS CITY WIDE TEST AND WE FINISHED THE STUPID BOOK
April 19, 2005, 6:52 p.m. CST
CAN ANYBODY WRITE CUASE IM GETTING BORED AND I DON'T HAVE JAVA SO I CAN'T ENTER CAHT ROOMS. AND I AM NOT ALLOWED TO DOWNLOAD JAVA. THAT FUCKEN THING GAVE MY PC A TORJAN HORSE VIRUS!!!