Dec. 2, 2004, 10:17 p.m. CST
LOVE and PEACE!
Dec. 2, 2004, 10:30 p.m. CST
That clip was too low res- made it look like the special effects hadn't changed in the series was on the air.
Dec. 2, 2004, 10:41 p.m. CST
A new arrangement of the original theme music will be used.
Dec. 2, 2004, 10:43 p.m. CST
It's not crappy melodrama and T&A like "Enterprise" and "Buffy," so naturally Herc won't give any of the good episodes a chance, and will treat Who with contempt whenever forced to post about it. No, the effects were not good, but the storylines and character development were much better than anything Whedon can produce. I suppose there weren't enough scenes in which the Doctor and his assistants sit around in a room having quirky conversations filled with lame pop-culture references and making up cute nicknames for their enemies. Perhaps if the Doctor had called the Cybermen "The Icky Robot Dudes" or "The Baddies" then the show would please Buffy fans... Or perhaps it's that Buffy fans have such a short attention span that they can't sit through an entire 90-minute episode of Doctor Who unless there's a promise for some kissing, nudity, or conversations about relationships. Bleh. Give me Doctor Who over any "science fiction" on American TV today.
Dec. 2, 2004, 10:45 p.m. CST
There probably aren't many (any?) finished effects yet, which is why there aren't any to speak of in the trailer. Only half of the 13 planned episodes have been shot. But we can expect the SFX to be much improved over those in the original series. Also, like all BBC series these days, the new "Doctor Who" will be shot on digital video and in widescreen. If you want to guess about the look of the new series, I think something like "M.I. 5" (aka, "Spooks") is probably a good bet.
Dec. 2, 2004, 11:20 p.m. CST
Dec. 2, 2004, 11:48 p.m. CST
Ack. Almost nothing demands RealPlayer these days. I refuse to use it because of the Spyware, ad bombardment, etc. Any other formats of this available?
Dec. 3, 2004, 12:44 a.m. CST
Yes, seconded on the 'they couldn't have made that video any smaller resolution-wise' sentiment. "The food in this restaurant is horrible, and such small portions, too". BTW, agreed jeffv - RP mcsuckeths. However, the Real Player downloadable from bbc.co.uk is supposedly spyware-free.
Dec. 3, 2004, 4:58 a.m. CST
by Dave Patrick
Apparently this teaser was part of an industry presentation for media types on the BBC's winter season. It was never really intended to be shown publicly. Expect the real trailers to show up in a couple of months, by then we'll probably be hearing the new arrangement of the theme tune. I think the zoom over Earth and down to London is from the opening of episode 1 as several persistant rumours have said for ages. So that is probably a finished (or nearly finished) effects shot. But Realplayer is too unclear to see how good it is really. As a teaser it really does it's job.
Dec. 3, 2004, 8:25 a.m. CST
And that Douglas Adams guy who used to be script editor on DOCTOR WHO? I guess he was a hack then, right? Okay, whatever. Honestly, all that had to be said was "Hey, here's the new DOCTOR WHO teaser trailer. Check it out if you're interested." Now, with all that elitist snobbery out of the way, let me say that I thought the teaser was great, even if it didn't show much (especially with that crappy tiny RealPlayer format.) I thought I had read somewhere that the new series was going to use the original Ron Grainer theme, unless the report meant a new ARRANGEMENT of the Ron Grainer theme. And hey, if anyone has this teaser in Glorious Quicktime, please post a link. I'll be your best friend if you do...
Dec. 3, 2004, 8:52 a.m. CST
by Mockingbird Girl
Don't get me wrong -- I love Whedon's work, including his most obviously sci-fi series FIREFLY. But a science-fiction series rises or falls by virtue of its writing and characterization, *not* its special effects, and DOCTOR WHO had the former in spades. There have been any number of flashy sci-fi series that have failed because they are all style but no substance; but DOCTOR WHO -- like the original STAR TREK -- succeeded because of great storytelling. It is, indeed, the same quality that also made BUFFY and BABYLON 5 successful. And frankly, I'll take wobbly sets and strong writing (DOCTOR WHO) over state-of-the-art effects and anemic writing (ENTERPRISE) any day of the week.
Dec. 3, 2004, 10:26 a.m. CST
by Mockingbird Girl
But I can't really take someone seriously who can't even muster an argument without resorting to name-calling. What are you, twelve years old? Grow up, for goodness sake. Not everyone has to agree with your piddling little evaluation.
Dec. 3, 2004, 11:15 a.m. CST
"Whedon's writing is good because... it's really good! NNNNGHHH!!!!" Great!
Dec. 3, 2004, 11:36 a.m. CST
The average Dr. Who episode was as long or longer as your average movie. Are movies completely void of any characterzation? I didn't think so. I liked Buffy too, but the show couldn't keep it up for 5 seasons, Dr. Who did it for nearly 30. And Buffy hasn't aged well, unlike Dr. Who and Star Trek. I loved Buffy in Highschool, stuck with it in college. Now I can't sit through 90% of the episodes. Sometimes our memories of something are better than the real thing.
Dec. 3, 2004, 11:43 a.m. CST
by Mutant Leader
I *knew* he'd get the part! :-) Heh. Seriously, this has a lot of potential but I want it to be really dark and twisty with a side order of good cheesy sci-fi melodrama. I want this show to be damn shocking. . .I hope they can draw on some of the horror elements of the Tom Baker years as a template and not the campy Sylvester McCoy stuff. And please. . .don't make him half-human on his mother's side, OK?
Dec. 3, 2004, 12:44 p.m. CST
I use something called Media Player Classic, which has plug-ins for playing both QT and RM formats. One stop shopping for playing all my media files and the thing also handles subtitle files nicely. The version I'm using was packed in with a codec collection. Dunno if you can get it separately, but I hear that Google thing is a marvelous invention.
Dec. 3, 2004, 1:16 p.m. CST
Seriously people, why does everything have to be black vs. white for every topic? Both Buffy and Dr. Who are great shows, and frankly they are so completely different that I can't imagine why one would try to compare them. Buffy is quite possibly the best example of character-driven fantasy ever done, and Dr. Who is fantastic escapist science fiction. Now, if you want to compare and contrast Blakes 7 with Firefly, that would make sense, as they are very similar in concept and tone, and both quite excellent in my opinion. Can't wait for Serenity!!!
Dec. 3, 2004, 1:16 p.m. CST
Anybody who doubts the importance of Doctor Who in the history of sci-fi tv should watch the first episode shown in 1963 immediately. It was groundbreaking in its day and still stands up today as a piece of electrifying drama. I'm sorry but the american fanboys going on about Buffy simply don't have a clue. Buffy is a fun teenage show, Doctor Who is a classic. People have already forgotten Buffy. I doubt we'll see a new Buffy series in 40 years time. And anybody who thinks Joss Whedon is a better writer than Robert Holmes and Malcolm Hulke is simply deluded. Go and watch The Caves of Androzani, The Talons of Weng-Chiang, Inferno, The Deadly Assassin or The Robots of Death and then come back here and apologise for wasting intelligent sci-fi readers time here.
Dec. 3, 2004, 1:57 p.m. CST
any of his 1930's radio drama brethren than a mid-90's teen show.
Dec. 3, 2004, 2:39 p.m. CST
The one element Doctor Who does share with The Shadow and other radio serials is the format, a continuing series of adventures with cliffhangers at the end of every episode. Fingers crossed for the new series, there's a talented team behind it.
Dec. 3, 2004, 2:39 p.m. CST
For example, any science fiction writer who was around while the show was on the air pretty much agree that it was the only worthwile television science fiction available. I've heard Harlan Ellison, Ursula K LeGuin, Christopher Priest... all basically say that. Of course, if the only name you recognize on that list is Ellison and the only reason you do is because he wrote the best episode of another TV show, then Who was probably not your thing anyway.
Dec. 3, 2004, 3:14 p.m. CST
Sometimes it's hard to go back and watch it, but hell, some of the (Tom Baker and Peter Davidson) episodes have stood the test of time. They were far more original than Star Trek, because they had different writers on the job and threw stuff out the window whenever they felt like it. Star Trek is sterile and boring, Dr. Who usually had an interesting concept or cool monsters like pig-brained midget cyborgs, giant space vampires, time-travelling lion dudes, killer medieval robots, and blood-sucking standing stones. I loved that one. Almost wish some of them could be remade with better special effects. Looking forward to this one, hopefully it'll wash that bad taste left over by some of the Sylvester McCoy episodes.
Dec. 3, 2004, 4:07 p.m. CST
The original Delia Derbyshire version is one of the best electronic tunes of all time and hasn't been bettered by anybody elses arrangement.Just buff up that version.
Dec. 3, 2004, 4:32 p.m. CST
Just out of interest, did any of the people spluttering about Sylvester McCoy actually watch any of the McCoy seasons apart from the first one, which was written for Colin Baker and contained all the campness, lousy writing, Bonnie Langford infestedness and general awfulness of the Baker (Mark 2) years? Or did you stop watching in disgust after that season and just assume that it carried on like that? I only ask because every time Doctor Who gets mentioned there seems to be a flood of bile about the ghastliness of the McCoy era, yet for me his second and third seasons were among the very best Doctor Who ever produced. Remembrance of the Daleks and The Curse of Fenric are all-time classics. I also liked what they did with the character in those seasons, restoring the mystique which had begun to be lost back when they made the mistake of setting stories on Gallifrey. Admittedly, McCoy couldn't exactly act, but you can't have everything. Or is it just me?
Dec. 3, 2004, 4:34 p.m. CST
Please note that the above should not be taken to include The Happiness Patrol. That was indeed atrocious. Call it a throwback.
Dec. 3, 2004, 4:54 p.m. CST
Okay, yes, "Time and the Rani" sucks. And so does "Paradise Towers," "Dragonfire," and especially "Delta and the Bannermen." "The Happiness Patrol," "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy," and the particularly disappointing "Silver Nemesis" can at least be tolerated for one strange reason or another. But the rest ("Remembrance of the Daleks" and Season 26)...Those were steps in the right direction. McCoy was at his finest when portraying the Doctor as a dark, mysterious manipulator, instead of the clownish eccentric that dominated Season 24 and half of 25. Plus, the Doctor's chemistry with Ace was light years better than most episodes of STAR TREK since DEEP SPACE NINE ended. I mean, at least ol' Sly didn't have to deal with the Nerds of Doom from the shark-jumping crapfest that was BUFFY Season 6...
Dec. 3, 2004, 5:05 p.m. CST
Its too bad wolf has to resort to personal attacks and abuse to back up his points. I don't pretend that all of Doctor Who is good - it has its bad episodes like every other tv series. But its a shame he has to dismiss the entire 26 year run of the show without being able to back up his argument with cohesive points. Thanks to the other talkbackers for their intelligent comments re: the music and season 26. Oh and Joss Whedon's a great writer? Alien: Resurrection. Bet wolf likes that too. Sorry couldnt resist!
Dec. 3, 2004, 5:26 p.m. CST
'ENTERTAIN US!'. Homicidal bus conductors. Circus clowns driving a funeral hearse. Fanboys getting atomised! Wolverines! 'You ain't seen nothing yeeet.''Get lost, or i'll do something 'orrible to your ears'. All this and Spunkmeyer from Aliens too.
Dec. 3, 2004, 5:42 p.m. CST
by Voice O. Reason
Yup, I'm sure that's where they got the idea for the Borg...Doctor Who. Yup.
Dec. 3, 2004, 6:01 p.m. CST
Geez, the guy makes 13 seasons of great television (between Buffy, Angel, and Firefly) and all people can do is bring up "Alien: Resurrection" over and over again.... Yes, Joss Whedon has written some bad scripts on occasion. And yes, Dr. Who has a lot of great episodes and a lot of crappy ones too. Can we drop it please?
Dec. 3, 2004, 6:08 p.m. CST
It's true, the Borg are a direct copy of the Cybermen, although with better effects of course. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone familiar with British Sci-Fi, as TNG used to borrow from Dr. Who, Blakes 7, and Red Dwarf on a regular basis. (Not that those shows didn't borrow ideas from earlier shows either.) Example: The much-loved cliffhanger ending of "Best of Both Worlds Part One" is a direct and shameless rip-off of the cliffhanger in Blakes 7's "Star One". Look it up, if you don't believe me. (Again, I'm not complaining, since TNG might as well steal from the best. But please be informed when making sarcastic remarks - they work better that way.)
Dec. 3, 2004, 7:11 p.m. CST
" by that nobel-prize winning logic, last of the summer wine and coronation street are the best shows ever" *** What, they're NOT? Come on, I crack up laughing every time whoever's playing Compo this year goes rolling down the hill on some cart or other for the fiftieth episode in a row. "Eh, Cleggy, I'm rolling down hill again in daft cart thing!" You have been watching (in order of appearance....) *** Do they actually have a studio audience providing the laughter for that show?
Dec. 4, 2004, 2:09 a.m. CST
I'm a huge who/trek/buffy fan and I hadn't made nearly all those connections. one of the best posts i've EVER READ ON AICN. well done.
Dec. 4, 2004, 8:17 a.m. CST
I grew up watching the 4th Doctor Tom Baker's stories in the 1970s. His time as the Doctor has to be the best, if the new series can even be half as good then it will be a hit.
Dec. 4, 2004, 9:45 a.m. CST
by Dave Patrick
It's true. It wasn't Doctor Who or Blake's 7 they stole from it was Read Dwarf. For instance, an episode where everyone wakes up and realises they've lost the memories of the last few days? The crimson short one did it first. And a holographic person as a main character, I don't have to explain that one do I?
Dec. 4, 2004, 1:37 p.m. CST
I hate to burst your precarious little bubble, Wolf, but yes, the Borg are a direct ripoff from the Cybermen. For those of you actually paying attention, the Cybermen (created in 1966) were an alien race that ended up replacing their body parts with cybernetic implants to the point where they completely lost their humanity (Mondasity?). They went out into the universe and began assimilating others into becoming Cybermen while repeatedly uttering their catch phrase "Resistance is useless." So...does this sound at all familiar to anyone? Am I piercing the void here? (Sigh...)
Dec. 4, 2004, 3:21 p.m. CST
by Billy Goat
Seriously. The Dr. Who story "The Deadly Assassin" in 1976. A virtual world called "The Matrix", used to store knowledge uploaded from the minds of long-departed TimeLords. "Transformers: The Movie" ripped off the idea too...
Dec. 4, 2004, 3:24 p.m. CST
by Billy Goat
Dec. 4, 2004, 3:30 p.m. CST
by Roj Blake
### Spikeandjezebel is right - comparing DW to Buffy is silly, and there's more than enough room in the world for both of them, as well as Fantasy Island and Matchgame, too. ### Joss Whedon is a different kind of writer than Bob Holmes. By his age and the time he started writing TV, Bob Holmes was already dead (or at least close to dead). And I wouldn't compare Sue Grafton to Arthur Conan Doyle, either. Any successful writer is, to a large degree, a product of the time in which they're successful. Moving on... ### I *suspect* the new DW series will owe as much to Buffy as it does the ~old~ DW series. ### Wolfatthedoor - I thought you were leaving this talkback so the rest of us could continue with our circlejerk? ### Spyguy - McCoy eps being "a step in the right direction". I see your point, and if they were the first eps ever for a TV series, they might be exciting on a certain level...but for a series that was entering its 24th year, etc. - they were pretty lame and McCoy was an atrocious Doctor. But then again, "The Happiness Patrol" is my fave McCoy story - so what do I know? ;-) ### Who really cares who ripped off Who? There are no new stories and if I can make it through an episode of a sci-fi series in this day and age without falling asleep, then it's a success in my eyes. I don't care *how* derivitive it is. ### "Alien: Resurrection" rocks!!! ### Realplayer sucks!!! ### I don't recall the term "flux capacitor" being used in DW. Not saying it wasn't though - Ringbearer9, can you name the story in which this term was used? Just curious. ### Lastly, lastly - the new DW is going surprise and convert a *lot* of people...
Dec. 4, 2004, 3:43 p.m. CST
by Roj Blake
The entire block of stories from "Planet of Evil" all the way through "Talons of Weng-Chiang" (with the exception of "The Android Invasion" which is sorta goofy). Kinda & Snakedance. Inferno. Tomb of the Cybermen. The Mind Robber. The E-Space Trilogy. Frontios. The Time Warrior. Revelation of the Daleks. Caves of Androzani. I guess that's about it.
Dec. 4, 2004, 5:08 p.m. CST
by Roj Blake
Again in no particular order...these stories represent the bottom of barrel [IMHO]: Silver Nemesis, Timelash, Revenge of the Cybermen, The Mutants (Pertwee), Destiny of the Daleks, Time-Flight, Time and the Rani (pretty much anything Pip and Jane Baker contributed to the series - most notably TOATL Ep. 14 - what a letdown!!!). Looking at my list, it's noteworthy that with the exception of "The Time Warrior", *any* DW story with the word "Time" in the title is guaranteed to be subpar...the irony of it all! Oh, and last but not least - the most boring story that should've been anything but - "The Five Doctors". ZZZZZzzzzzzzz........
No 'flux capacitor' in DW. I have the feeling that 'Doctor Who' will never be a big fixture in AICN. If they don't like it, then it would be pointless to convert anyone here to it. BUT a little less of the sarky intros would be nice. And wolf at the door... Let us fans enjoy the programme without your slagging off of it and us. Please.
Dec. 4, 2004, 6:16 p.m. CST
by Roj Blake
Urbankan - it depends on Harry, I think. IIRC, Harry was a pretty big fan of the Tom Baker stuff when he was a wee lad. If the new series captures his imagination, the tide could very well turn.
Dec. 5, 2004, 6:19 p.m. CST
Allright, here's the breakdown: There is a massive, powerful alien fleet (B7's Andromedans, TNG's Borg) about to wipe out humanity as we know it. The fastest, most powerful ship in the galaxy (Liberator, Enterprise) is on the front lines attempting to stop them. The leader of said ship is out of the action (Blake is injured, Picard has been taken by the Borg) so the second-in-command (Avon, Riker) is in charge. As the episode reaches it's climax, there are tense shots of all the crew members. The episode ends with a closeup of Avon/Riker yelling "Fire!" then the credits, and the season is over. It's the EXACT SAME CLIFFHANGER!!!!!!!!
Dec. 6, 2004, 4:21 p.m. CST
I actually live in Cardiff, South Wales, where they