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Absence of Gnarly Klingon Foreheads Explained''ENTERPRISE 4.15 Rumor!!
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Previously. On Aint It Cool: Coaxial News:
9/25/01: “Are all the Klingons bumpy [in the "Enterprise" pilot]? They are, as one supposes Roddenberry would have liked it. And during warp flight, the stars fly by as they do in ‘The Next Generation’ – not the way they do in the original series. These are things we’re just going to have to get over.”
10/8/04: “Who knows? We might even learn why, 100 years after the Archer era, the Klingons all look like Rich Vos.”
We do not review today part two of the big Vulcanis arc because Paramount failed to cough up a copy in a timely manner. Instead, here’s what brewing for the next handful of “Enterprise” episodes:
4.8-4.9: In the conclusion of the Vulcan arc, T’Pau, Surak and Archer’s Andorian pal Shran turn up.
4.10: In “Daedalus,” co-written by Alan Brennert & Ken LaZebnik, we meet the inventor of the transporter. He is played by Bill Cobbs and not Jeff Goldblum, and he has a plan to eliminate starships entirely.
4.11: The Stevenses (“The Forge”) return with “Observer Effect,” an episode about a deadly crew virus.
4.12-4.14: An epic Andorian arc features Tellarites, Vulcans and (hey now!) the mysterious Romulans.
With 4.15, “Affliction,” it appears we get a kind-of prequel to the 1996 “Deep Space Nine” episode “Trials and Tribble-ations.” Remember how Worf, horrified at sorry state of Klingon visages in Kirk’s era, explains to his fellow Starfleet officers that the human-like appearance of the Klingon warriors was nothing to be discussed with non-Klingons?
It’s a question that’s been haunting fandom for a quarter century, since the bumpy heads made their debut in the opening minutes of “Star Trek: The Motion Picture.” When several TOS Klingons characters grew bumpy heads and visited DS9, I think Ira Behr explained it away to TV Guide by saying Klingons grow bumps as they get old. But I think I also think I read a Star Trek graphic novel or something that suggested there were actually TWO races of Klingons, one with bumpy heads, one without.
According to an article at TrekWeb.com, we will see Klingons inject green fluid into other Klingons - green fluid that may make many of them look like “comedian” and "Last Comic Standing" fixture Rich Vos! Read more of the episode, likely to air during February sweeps, here.
Looking for bumper stickers, plush toys and girls’ underwear covered with cute cartoon double-amputees? Visit The Herc Store!
10/8/04: “Who knows? We might even learn why, 100 years after the Archer era, the Klingons all look like Rich Vos.”
We do not review today part two of the big Vulcanis arc because Paramount failed to cough up a copy in a timely manner. Instead, here’s what brewing for the next handful of “Enterprise” episodes:
4.8-4.9: In the conclusion of the Vulcan arc, T’Pau, Surak and Archer’s Andorian pal Shran turn up.
4.10: In “Daedalus,” co-written by Alan Brennert & Ken LaZebnik, we meet the inventor of the transporter. He is played by Bill Cobbs and not Jeff Goldblum, and he has a plan to eliminate starships entirely.
4.11: The Stevenses (“The Forge”) return with “Observer Effect,” an episode about a deadly crew virus.
4.12-4.14: An epic Andorian arc features Tellarites, Vulcans and (hey now!) the mysterious Romulans.
With 4.15, “Affliction,” it appears we get a kind-of prequel to the 1996 “Deep Space Nine” episode “Trials and Tribble-ations.” Remember how Worf, horrified at sorry state of Klingon visages in Kirk’s era, explains to his fellow Starfleet officers that the human-like appearance of the Klingon warriors was nothing to be discussed with non-Klingons?
It’s a question that’s been haunting fandom for a quarter century, since the bumpy heads made their debut in the opening minutes of “Star Trek: The Motion Picture.” When several TOS Klingons characters grew bumpy heads and visited DS9, I think Ira Behr explained it away to TV Guide by saying Klingons grow bumps as they get old. But I think I also think I read a Star Trek graphic novel or something that suggested there were actually TWO races of Klingons, one with bumpy heads, one without.
According to an article at TrekWeb.com, we will see Klingons inject green fluid into other Klingons - green fluid that may make many of them look like “comedian” and "Last Comic Standing" fixture Rich Vos! Read more of the episode, likely to air during February sweeps, here.
Looking for bumper stickers, plush toys and girls’ underwear covered with cute cartoon double-amputees? Visit The Herc Store!
4.8-4.9: In the conclusion of the Vulcan arc, T’Pau, Surak and Archer’s Andorian pal Shran turn up.
4.10: In “Daedalus,” co-written by Alan Brennert & Ken LaZebnik, we meet the inventor of the transporter. He is played by Bill Cobbs and not Jeff Goldblum, and he has a plan to eliminate starships entirely.
4.11: The Stevenses (“The Forge”) return with “Observer Effect,” an episode about a deadly crew virus.
4.12-4.14: An epic Andorian arc features Tellarites, Vulcans and (hey now!) the mysterious Romulans.
With 4.15, “Affliction,” it appears we get a kind-of prequel to the 1996 “Deep Space Nine” episode “Trials and Tribble-ations.” Remember how Worf, horrified at sorry state of Klingon visages in Kirk’s era, explains to his fellow Starfleet officers that the human-like appearance of the Klingon warriors was nothing to be discussed with non-Klingons?
It’s a question that’s been haunting fandom for a quarter century, since the bumpy heads made their debut in the opening minutes of “Star Trek: The Motion Picture.” When several TOS Klingons characters grew bumpy heads and visited DS9, I think Ira Behr explained it away to TV Guide by saying Klingons grow bumps as they get old. But I think I also think I read a Star Trek graphic novel or something that suggested there were actually TWO races of Klingons, one with bumpy heads, one without.
According to an article at TrekWeb.com, we will see Klingons inject green fluid into other Klingons - green fluid that may make many of them look like “comedian” and "Last Comic Standing" fixture Rich Vos! Read more of the episode, likely to air during February sweeps, here.
Looking for bumper stickers, plush toys and girls’ underwear covered with cute cartoon double-amputees? Visit The Herc Store!
4.11: The Stevenses (“The Forge”) return with “Observer Effect,” an episode about a deadly crew virus.
4.12-4.14: An epic Andorian arc features Tellarites, Vulcans and (hey now!) the mysterious Romulans.
With 4.15, “Affliction,” it appears we get a kind-of prequel to the 1996 “Deep Space Nine” episode “Trials and Tribble-ations.” Remember how Worf, horrified at sorry state of Klingon visages in Kirk’s era, explains to his fellow Starfleet officers that the human-like appearance of the Klingon warriors was nothing to be discussed with non-Klingons?
It’s a question that’s been haunting fandom for a quarter century, since the bumpy heads made their debut in the opening minutes of “Star Trek: The Motion Picture.” When several TOS Klingons characters grew bumpy heads and visited DS9, I think Ira Behr explained it away to TV Guide by saying Klingons grow bumps as they get old. But I think I also think I read a Star Trek graphic novel or something that suggested there were actually TWO races of Klingons, one with bumpy heads, one without.
According to an article at TrekWeb.com, we will see Klingons inject green fluid into other Klingons - green fluid that may make many of them look like “comedian” and "Last Comic Standing" fixture Rich Vos! Read more of the episode, likely to air during February sweeps, here.
Looking for bumper stickers, plush toys and girls’ underwear covered with cute cartoon double-amputees? Visit The Herc Store!
With 4.15, “Affliction,” it appears we get a kind-of prequel to the 1996 “Deep Space Nine” episode “Trials and Tribble-ations.” Remember how Worf, horrified at sorry state of Klingon visages in Kirk’s era, explains to his fellow Starfleet officers that the human-like appearance of the Klingon warriors was nothing to be discussed with non-Klingons?
It’s a question that’s been haunting fandom for a quarter century, since the bumpy heads made their debut in the opening minutes of “Star Trek: The Motion Picture.” When several TOS Klingons characters grew bumpy heads and visited DS9, I think Ira Behr explained it away to TV Guide by saying Klingons grow bumps as they get old. But I think I also think I read a Star Trek graphic novel or something that suggested there were actually TWO races of Klingons, one with bumpy heads, one without.
According to an article at TrekWeb.com, we will see Klingons inject green fluid into other Klingons - green fluid that may make many of them look like “comedian” and "Last Comic Standing" fixture Rich Vos! Read more of the episode, likely to air during February sweeps, here.
Looking for bumper stickers, plush toys and girls’ underwear covered with cute cartoon double-amputees? Visit The Herc Store!
According to an article at TrekWeb.com, we will see Klingons inject green fluid into other Klingons - green fluid that may make many of them look like “comedian” and "Last Comic Standing" fixture Rich Vos! Read more of the episode, likely to air during February sweeps, here.
Looking for bumper stickers, plush toys and girls’ underwear covered with cute cartoon double-amputees? Visit The Herc Store!
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...takes away the fun. That line of Worf's is the funniest thing ever. I hope they don't ruin it.
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All that matters is that canon is maintained! A show from 40 years ago MUST be held in high esteem and can NOT be contradicted! The foreheads MUST be explained! ... On a serious note, I'm really enjoying this season so far, and I hope they get a season 5.
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When this would have been important news to me. What happened? Everything after DS9 has been so uninteresting.
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Sure, it was a lack-luster movie, but the had a major character (General Kang) who's forhead morphology, though present' was so subtle that he could reasonably have passed for a TOS era Klingon. It isn't a mutation, it was within the physical range for Klingons.
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a klingon with a human forehead will be able to go unnoticed when they sneak around on earth. any federation officer worth his or her salt knows you can spot an alien in a crowd by looking at their forehead.
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Although I am loathe to admit I know this, it should be mentioned that Rich Vos is also a regular on Colin Quinn's soon-to-be cancelled comedian roundtable show, Tough Crowd.
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Why do they raise our hopes like that in the first place? He would make a great crazy scientist.
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Nov 26, 2004 7:22:48 AM CST
Now wait a minute.......some of those (ridgeless) TOS Klingon ch
by boynamedsue
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They changed the look of the Romulans' foreheads too but no one mentions that. There really is no acceptable explanation. Face it, every aspect of design in TOS has been scrapped. Even Enterprise skipped TOS and went straight to the look and feel of the movies.
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but on a side note..oh my god, mystery revealed! my life is complete! *barf*
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Nov 26, 2004 8:56:34 AM CST
Oh please, you can't invent a transporter with an iMac...
by scrumdiddly
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Klingons go bumpy to non-bumpy the way humans go from sickly pinkish white hide to rich, luxuriant chocolatey deliciousness (I'm talking to you, Taye Diggs, you UPN whore, you!). For crissakes, people, can we have just ONE talkback that doesn't turn into dork recess?!?! ;)
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Don't bother explaining the lumpy bits, any "explanation" would be lame in the extreme. Is it really that important?
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I just spit my soda all over my monitor . . . that Vos reference is dead-on, and funny as hell! SPREAD THE VIRUS - O&A ON XM SATELLITE RADIO!
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Nov 26, 2004 10:57:24 AM CST
Sounds to me like they're not necessarily going to "explain" the
by prof. pop-cult
So it will be offered as an explanation that some nitpicker fans can assume, while others can say it's not. They probably won't say definitively that "this is the explanation. End of story."
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Nov 26, 2004 11:12:03 AM CST
The vaccine/virus explanation sounds like it would work...
by jim jam bongs
There was some virus (or bioweapon) unleashed upon the Klingons. An antivirus was created which works by "de-Klingonizing" physical aspects of the Klingon people -- reducing physical strength and the prominence of the forehead. The virus/bioweapon itself works by exploiting these aspects of the Klingon race. Klingon warriors around the time of TOS were vaccinated by force, as ordered by the High Council. (A true Klingon warrior would have preferred to die as a Klingon than as an emasculated Klingon, of course.) This bit of history is known by Federation historians, but it's a touchy issue since Klingons are ashamed of it -- this would explain O'Brien and Worf's brief discussion of this matter in that DS9 episode. Maybe the Federation had a hand in helping to rid the Klingons of this virus which lead to the peace between the two. (You could even elaborate on this arc further and bring up the possibility that the precursor of Section 33 created the virus as a bioweapon against the Klingons in the first place.) I like this -- it doesn't just geekily explain the bumpy heads, it also opens up wide the possibility of new story arcs about the Klingon race/empire which deals with the "bigger picture" that went on during the Enterprise era and behind-the-scenes in the TOS period.
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But I still have no idea who the hell Rich Vos is.
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...when this is a topic of conversation. I checked out of this series after 3 episodes but it's fun to watch the last remaining few fans struggle to maintain interest. It's over, go find a date.
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There is a blurb over on trekweb, talking about how Coto has already made plans for the end of Enterprise. He talks about the founding of the Federation, the conclusion of the T'Pol/Trip romance and other things. It would be great if Archer fell into another Nexus or something and all the Captain met. Yea right. Here is a cool song by that Star Trek Band Warp 11 called Stovokor: http://grecojava.info/Warp11/bootlegs/beardedleia/Warp%2011%20-%2020030606%20-%20Stovokor.mp3
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In the original series, the Klingons were suppose to represent Red China. Fu Manchu mustache and beards and names like Kang. Take that George Lucas and your aliens taking on the characteristical quirks of other ethnicities! Star Trek trumps you by actual blatant racism.
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I;ve read about a lot of gays who are pissed about there not being any gay characters. They have activists groups and everything. Talk about being so inscure that your lifestyle has to be validated in the sci-fi show. Lesbians=loved by all. Gay guys=mot so much. Sorry, it's a hidious double standard but it's true.
Besides, we know that humans flirted with genetic engineering in the 21st-22nd. Sorry, but if parents could control their kids' genetic makeup befor birth, you know the homosexuals would be the first to go. -
Guinen clearly said that you can leave the Nexus willingly and arrive at anywhere at anytime and continue your life. This of course leaves an even bigger plot hole than your scenario. If Picard could leave the Nexus and go anywhere and anywhen he wanted to, why go back to the time and place where everything was almost already fucked? Why not go back to where he first met Soran and throw him in the brig? Generations sucked Mugato balls.
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I'm 51 so I'm very familure with TOS and it's been widely established that during that cold war era Klingons were a metaphore for the Russians and the Romulans were a metaphore for the Chinese.
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Nov 26, 2004 3:41:05 PM CST
See? MESSING with continuity without Roddenberry's input.
by holly_wight
Yes. Gene is dead, but his family isn't. Either way, they're going to mess with this and it's long been explained as a Klingon "experiment" to genetically engineer Klingons who looked more like humans so they could infiltrate human society, only they didn't get it quite right. Later on, after this experiment was deemed a failure, Klingons who were engineered to look human but who had served honorably were given cosmetic surgery to look more like real Klingons should (thus the DS9 anomolies are explained). But now, of course, someone's going to come along and mess with that explaination. "Enterprise" is not Star Trek. It's a show inspired by Star Trek, but it doesn't seem to have a lot of respect for its roots.
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Well the people in the Nexus at the beginning of the movie didn't want to be rescued. Kirk and co "ripped" them out of the Nexus not knowing that it was against their will. Guinen spent a lot of time trying to forget about the bliss of being in the Nexus and getting pulled out of it made Soren insane because in real life he lost his family and no doubt being in the Nexus he was in the illusion of them still being alive. So why didn't he just fly back into the Nexus with a ship, the same way he got in it in the first place? Like I said this movie is horrendously full of plot holes. I'm not a nitpicker either. These are basic storytelling inconsistencies that are unforgivable to any writer above a 3rd grade education. I'm pretty sure their intent wasn't to make everything in the Trek universe from Picard's entering the Nexus foreward to be simply an illusion inside the Nexus though. Ok, I've typed the word "Nexus" more than any rational human should. The sheer stupidity of that movie just pissed me off is all. Any Trekkies who can explain any of this would be greatly welcome. I also have serious problems with Trek 9 but that's a different thread.
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Nov 26, 2004 4:07:14 PM CST
Oh and let's not look at TOS with rose colored glasses either.
by i dunno
TOS had its share of inconsistencies within a mere 3 seasons of its own series.
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Klingons may have represented communism in general but the image they chose to represent them was Chinese. Just like alien invaders in general in the movies were suppose to be an allegory of communism too but they look Asian with almond eyes. Remember Ming, the Merciless, from the planet Mongo? What about that episode where there were "Yangs," caucasians running around with like Indians, fighting the "Comms" who were Asian. It was the "Yankees" vesus the "Communists" and the Comms certainly didn't look Russian.
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was probably not chinese as much as north vietnamese. remember at the time, the usa was at war in vietnam against the communists of north vietnam- the cong.
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I always thought the book, "The Star Trek Technical Manual", had a germ of an idea that would make the most satisfying explanation for the increasing anachronisms of TOS: we in the 20th/21st century aren't advanced enough to know everything. If we are to accept that the voyages of Starship Enterprise are genuine dramatizations of Kirk's log entries, then it's clear some sensitive information about the future would have to be left out. Audiences of the 1960s would have been unprepared to see what Klingons really look like. If the Kirk episodes were produced today, they'd look a lot different and contain a lot more detail. Of course, "Trials and Tribble-ations" nullifies this concept, but... wouldn't it be fun?
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Get real. It hasn't been keeping anyone up at night. Once again, someone on the writing staff is pulling a lame idea out of their ass to explain something stupid. Say 'G'bye' Enterprise, you won't be missed.
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Nov 26, 2004 9:13:59 PM CST
"can we have just ONE talkback that doesn't turn into dork reces
by voice o. reason
Um, no. After all, isn't the internet Dork City, and Aint It Cool News the biggest elementary school in town?
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That's the only explanaition for not to grab something like T'pol every nigth! DAMN, that pointed ear bitch is H O T !
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Kang and General Chang aren't Vietnamese names.
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Prequels are disappointing. Star Wars has proved this, and I think Enterprise is doing it now. While I still find this season to be a vast improvement over the series first three seasons, this cannot replace my misgivings at what they are trying to do. Manny Coto is attempting to explain all of aberrations that Berman and Braga committed in the first 76 episodes. The Awakening went out of its way to explain Soval's actions over the last three years, as Trip sort of asked the same question I asked last week: Why the Vulcan's sudden change of heart about the humans. It was like Coto had spent the summer pouring over all this missives placed on the Internet about what was wrong with the show -at least when it comes to canon. He appears to have examined many of these epistles and is making an effort to change that. And while I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth, this is not the way to get fans back.
We are once again tortured by Bakula's bad acting. Like Kate Mulgrew, who makes William Shatner look like an Oscar winning actor, Scott Bakula fails to understand material. He sleep walks through every scene, only coming alive when he talks to T'Pol about the katra. Blalock shines once again, proving she fully understand her Vulcan character. Now if only the writers could.
If anything, this episode reminded me of many DS9 stories with Avery Brooks' Captain Sisko searching for the reason the worm hole aliens chose him as their Emissary. Archer whole search for that obelisk thingy reminded me many times of Sisko's quest for his role in Bajoran religion and politics.
Then there's Robert Foxworth's V' Las character. Once again we have a guy so obviously off his meds, no one seems to be able to do something about it. John Rubenstein's Kuvak just stands there while V'Las goes out of his way to eliminate a race of Vulcans who do not agree with his views. Is it not logical to see that this Vulcan does not have both oars in the water? Why must Trek make these bad guys so black and white?
The only interesting aspect of this -and you can only really mull it over after the episode - is how much of these actions of V' Las are parallel to today's world? Just because the Syrrannite's don't agree with the High Command makes them dangerous and has to be amputated like some gangrene limb? And who is more of the threat? The ones who preach peace or the ones who manufacture evidence to keep their corrupt way of living going?
Don't we live in a world where if you carry a dissenting voice about your government, you are called a traitor, or worse, a liberal?
Anyway, I think what makes this whole show disappointing is I can really careless about the "beginning". Historically, one the most boring aspects about any franchise, whether it be a superhero or Darth Vader, is the origin story. Ultimately, who cares how Spider-Man got his powers, or why Superman was sent to Earth (though, I got to say, at least Smallville is making it interesting)? Or how the Dark Side of the Force seduced Anakin Skywalker? It's the stories that come after that that make it interesting. Maybe, what is best, is to leave the nucleus stories out -or feature them in only a handful of "flashback" episodes.
For the first three seasons, Enterprise rewrote most of what had already been semi-established. It failed, if only because Berman and Braga were deliberately doing it. Coto, with season four, is trying to get this derailed franchise back on the tracks. The only thing is, I don't think anyone really cares to know what happened before the start of TOS. Move forward and only look behind when you need too. The past, sometimes, should remain there. I mean, that's why they write books about that. Trek's past has always worked in novel form, as some of best selling ones have dealt with early years. On TV, it looks antiquated and wearisome.
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I don't recall that the group on the transports were actually TRYING to get into the Nexus willingly. In fact, if memory serves, the Nexus moved pretty fast and destructively, the transports were more than likely just hit by it unintentionally. But the fleeting presence and proximity to the wave was enough to get a 'taste' of what was inside. And by then they may have realized they WANTED to be in there anyways, but the Feds just got in the way. Why did the people in the transports not get immediately zapped into the Nexus like Kirk did? Yeah, inconsistent plotholes for sure, and fantasy physics.
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Dax + TOS uniform = FLAWLESS VICTORY
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I know they weren't trying to get into the Nexus but they just got "run over" by it and all but the very few that Scotty beamed out made it in, which is why it makes no sense that Soren didn't just do the same thing to get back in, instead of blowing up stars to bring it to him. Like I said, a mind numbingly absurd movie that couldn't even follow its own internal logic.
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You are wrong. The Romulans were Roman - not Chinese.
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Nov 27, 2004 12:50:45 PM CST
who gives a flying fuck about this shit? these last two episodes
by atomheartbrother
continuity porn! suspense! a coming attractions for next week that is most jones worthy! (classic) vulcans! and next week andorians! hot shit this is what it is all about. the rerun of khan was on the balance pretty good, but with these episodes the volital 22nd century has finally gotten interesting, and if this is the tone and the attitude from here on out than this show could get extremely hot if given the chance. but this begs the question, are the hardcore fans that addicted to internet porn to pay attention again?
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And that they're an empire. The vllains are too 2 dimensional to reflect any real life regimes.
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You must be really young and not from the 60's. You know when TOS was made. It's been widely recognized that both Klingon and Romulan were metaphores for the time. Despite the Roman references like centurion and such they were modeled ( in their situation ) after the Red Chinese to fit the parallel story line. The Russians like the Klingons were our equals and the main threat. The Romulans were also a threat but were mysterious and dangerous like the Red Chinese.
Also the Klingons and the Romulans cooperated under a strained truce just like the Russians and the Red Chinese of the 60's. It was obvious. But then again you had to know the times we were in. Cold war wise that is. -
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/ChonnaQ
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Better makeup. It's as simple as that. Sure you could try to come up with a continuity explanation, but this is just Television fantasy guys and girls. There was no eugenics war in the 1990 with Kang controlling 1/4 of the population (maybe there might be one in another 40 years, maybe not), in 1984 Big Brother was not the central figure in a totalitarian society (there may be one in another 40 years, there may not). Different makeup design is the same reason why the first time we saw Trills, they had the trusty Star Trek bumpy head appliances, and by the time Dax came along, they had sexy spots (how come no one complains about that). The Cardassians also underwent a few minor changes as they were experimenting with makeup. As far as the Klingon thing is concerned, the two species theory doesn't work because that would mean that Kang and Koloth were both species, they couldn't develop them over time because we've seen kid and teen klingons (Alexander and Dural), the Undiscovered Country theory doesn't even hold up altogether. If you did want to try to bridge continuity, perhaps you could say that several groups of Klingons attempted to "pass" for humans for a while in an attempt to infiltrate the Federation (perhaps posing as a different race), and underwent radical DNA resequencing, which after the plan blew up in their faces, took many years to reverse. That way they could have still served proudly as Klingons, and would have probably harbored extra resentment for humans. So other than your "real" reason, makeup design, this could do.
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What happened to no emotion? Every frickin conversation with the vulcans now has emotions. The guy talking to his council, they acted pissed off. T'pol talking to her mother, they were both sorry and sad. Ect ect. Stupid.
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its not that vulcans don't have emotion, its that they suppress their emotions. if you have watched voyager and enterprise they both discuss this and the reasons why the have to suppress them. i think that is better than just saying that the vulcans have no emotions. and as far as trek being dead, the show could be on for 10 seasons and people would still be saying enterprise is doomed.
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FINALLY the show is getting its second wind. But it's in fifth out of six place on Fridays at 8pm - - only doing better than "What I Like About You" on the WB. If UPN doesn't move the show out of the hellhole time slot of Friday it WILL be CANCELLED.
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I didn't know you worked for UPN?
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That's about it in a nutshell. The show could be on forever and ( no matter what ) " Enterprise is doomed " could go on forever.
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It's all weights and measures, folks. And a lot of logic. ENT maybe getting it's "second wind" as someone put, but if we look at this logically -instead of using emotions -this show will not go beyond this season. Paramount charges a $120 plus to buy a season of anyone of its Star Trek TV shows, which is where it's making its money up out the lost revenue ENT creates. UPN will keep this show through the season, if only because it is making a profit on it. At $800,000 an episode, it still can charge a fairly good ad rate and make some money on it. Paramount will not make money until the show is sold into syndication (which will be the fall of 2005) and DVD (which startes in May). Right now, every episode that airs is produced more in the red than any episode of any series so far. So figure the $1.7 million an episode it cost Paramount to make an episode (and that's been reduced a bit this season), a 22 to 24 episode season costs the studio some $40 million. UPN is paying roughly half that cost. So, unless you are willing to pay 150 to 175 per season on DVD of ENT, expect -very logically - that this show cannot support itself unless it shows a huge ratings success. Sure, it can never match CSI, Lost or Desperate Housewives ratings, but it will need to break a 4 or 5 rating share to given a season five. It can't happen. Real Deal, you think too emotionally when it comes to this. You metaphorically shake your head when people cry about how this show needs to get better or go away. And while I would love to see this show go on -if only because Coto is making a valiant attempt to save the show - I cannot see how. The problem lies in the fact that fans are too divided -consequences of forgetting your source material. Until someone can unite the fans, this debate will continue. And while -from an emotional heart - I think this show is getting better, the logical half -the one that holds the purse strings in this every increasing bottom line world we live in -tells me the show cannot be renewed. I can come up with a boat load of adjectives for you, but I think a few people here have already given them.
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If ratings were any kind of factor, Enterprise would have been cancelled last season. Paramount is doing anything and everything it can to keep it on the air because it needs something to keep Star Trek in the public eye. Why? Becase it makes more in Trek merchandising than it does in anything else and more than any one tv series makes. Enterprise will last as long as Paramount wants it too, no matter how much the ratings suck. They'll also keep making Trek movies no matter how much they bomb. Although the movies might take a while because none of the TNG actors want to come back.
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He had Enterprise's demise at the end of the 3rd season all worked out a year ago.
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Maybe, but UPN will eventually tire of poor ratings (even though, I know ENT ratings are higher than any other show the mini network has aired on a Friday). This show cannot succeed on another night (as Voyager failed on Monday and Wednesday and ENT failed that night also). It will remain stuck in a bad time slot on a mediocre network producing better -but not classic -Trek episodes. You're right, it could go on for years. But it is dying. That is a fact. It's life depends not on you -cause you've proven you'll watch it no matter how silly and stupid it gets. What it needs to to go after the fans that have turned the channel already. Until Paramount and the producers of Trek do that, this show, this franchise is doomed to be nothing more than a minor blip on a network that rates a reality show about anorexic women higher than the crown jewels of a once brilliant franchise.
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Nov 29, 2004 5:20:12 AM CST
The real mystery is why caves looked like papier mache in TOS
by sleepingcat
Oh wait a minute, some of them still do in TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. "...this should not be discussed by those who do not understand the concept of big budgets..."
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"Get a life people, move out of your parents' basement and realize its a goddam TV show."
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Nov 29, 2004 9:39:05 PM CST
Bottom line: with Coto at the helm, this season is LIGHTYEARS be
by commando cody
I have to say, ENTERPRISE has done a drastic turnaround. It's not 100% what it could be yet, but kudos to Manny Coto the new showrunner/story guy for DRASTICALLY improving the show this year. ENTERPRISE is waaaaaaaay better than it's been in...well, since it started!
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Hmmm. Maybe they can address that too.
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"It's just a tv show!" (with a low budget- my comment)
As noted elsewhere in this thread they didn't have the budget back in the sixties to create the kind of makeups they can now. Excluding the occasional Telerite or Andorian, virtually all the aliens looked just like us with bad haircuts or ridiculous costumes. And if they were really trying they'd cast an unusual looking actor like say, Reggie Nalder to play an alien. (he was a very creepy Andorian)
If you didn't see the opening five minutes where they began orbiting an alien planet, there was nothing about the inhabitants appearance to indicate that they were aliens.
So any explanation is going to be pointless.
It would be great if they had a character just break the fourth wall and look right into the camera and say, "Hey, it was the sixties, they didn't have the budget". I'd have more respect for that than some absurd 'reason'. -
Part of the fun of ST is to cook up explainations for some of the differences that have cropped up because of the changes that have happened in the last 40 years.
The difference in the Klingons has been a running joke since 1979! So take it a little less seriously. It's just people who enjoy the show having fun. Relax already yourselves. It is just a TV show that people enjoy and have fun with.
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