Nov. 22, 2004, 12:05 a.m. CST
I saw this in the 3D IMAX format ass well. I would recommend a few deep bong hits before you go, a hit of vitamin A would be even better. I agree that it's fascistic and the the message is that free thought, sketicism and doubt are evil but as pure eye candy, the IMAX version rocks out with its cock out.
Nov. 22, 2004, 12:05 a.m. CST
I don't believe in santa clause, but I do believe in seeing some kickass imax 3D action. I'll be there this weekend.
Nov. 22, 2004, 12:11 a.m. CST
...but everyone who sees a Nazi rally in that North Pole scene makes me feel like an old softie. I thought it was just off-center enough to be alien in that Willy Wonka way, which was most of the point. And of course the huge number of elves was part of the playground of scale that defined the North Pole. Personally I thought the design work was as tremendous as the technology itself. All-in-all, I found this to be a simple, astonishing flick.
Nov. 22, 2004, 12:17 a.m. CST
by Lazarus Long
Thank you Moriarty for continuing to condemn this spiteful piece of film excrement. I'm not familiar with Winston Groom's novel, but I can't imagine it being as cruel as the film. What Zemeckis did was give the finger to intellectuals, single mothers, politically active students, anyone who DARES to use drugs, and package it with a soundtrack they know and love. All the baby boomers swallowed and asked for more, even the ones that were being subversively insulted by it. Don't try and blame it on Eric Roth's screenplay, because Zemeckis is ultimately responsible for what's on screen. I can't say enough how disgusting this film is. If this film came out this year George Bush would have won by a landslide. The idea of not questioning anything and just "going with the flow" is against everything this country was founded on. Reprehensible, and I will never fully be able to enjoy Hanks in a film with this in the back of my mind.
Nov. 22, 2004, 12:51 a.m. CST
by I Dunno
Moriarty, if you were a woman I'd make love to you right now, even if you were a fat chick. Finally someone who sees that piece of shit for what it was. Like Titanic, I would have just dismissed it as a bad movie but the universal love for it only feeds my hatred. I mean for the love of Christ, it beat Pulp Fiction for best picture. Pulp Fiction. Anyway, about Polar Express, if they couldn't learn anything from Final Fantasy then they deserve to lose $200 large. Let's get the real Tom Hanks, motion capture his performance, then render those images to look as much like Tom Hanks as we can. WTF? Studio execs get paid a lot of money for thinking up shit like that. Hitchcock really needed to rise from the grave and sue Zemeckis for "What Lies Beneath" and billionaire Tom Hanks needs to stop begging those of us who work for a living to chip in for a WWII memorial. So yeah I know it's wrong but on some level I'm glad The Incredibles gave it to Polar Express sideways.
Nov. 22, 2004, 1:07 a.m. CST
by George Newman
However, I just think it's funny--not nightmarish, Mori. Can we start to try and draw in-depth connections/comparisons between Santa-christmas and Communist Russia? There has to be some political significance to getting coal in one's stocking if one is naughty....?
Nov. 22, 2004, 1:14 a.m. CST
Hmmmmm...I never saw "Gump" as wonderful, but I kinda enjoyed it. Maybe because at the time I was reading about Zen Buddism, and the movie seemed like one long exposition about living in the now with no expectations -- and about not valuing "things," but people. As for people standing up for what they want, Lt. Dan seemed to come out of it alright after his set to with God during the storm. Also, considering all the unquestioningly kissy-kiss showered on the counter-culture by Hollywood for so many years, showing a bit of it's dark side didn't bother me too much. But that's just me...my visualization of the Cosmic All is very incomplete.
Nov. 22, 2004, 1:19 a.m. CST
I thought Forrest Gump was a simple story about a simple guy who knew what was important about life, while those around him didn't and floundered. What's wrong with giving the finger to the counterculture anyway? It's just as healthy to have a skepticism about the counterculture as it is to be skeptical of the status quo, because too often people rebel against the establishment for no other reason than that it's the cool thing to do, but don't have any real or practical ideas about how to change the world for the better. I mean, for all the hulabaloo of "The Sixties", where did it get us? Nixon, Reagan and GW Bush were all elected twice, and we're as far from living in "Peace" as we ever were.
Nov. 22, 2004, 1:45 a.m. CST
The trailers i saw for this left me cold, man, fittingly enough. You're exaclty right... wahts the point of al this motion capture if everyone just looks identical to the actors? why not jsut have the actors? And yeah, it all looks a bit souless. like doll.s and not hilarious fuck-saying dolls like team america, either. (www.mondoirlando.com/team_america.html) That was also a brilliant point about belief. it's a lot easier if you don't have to, y'know BELIEVE anything. heh. nazi santas, though. thats just so demented it might work. (www.mondoirlando.com/ss_experiment_camp.html_
Nov. 22, 2004, 2:38 a.m. CST
by I Dunno
I didn't hate the film because of its politics. If it's a well made movie it's a well made movie, regardless of whether or not you agree with its agenda. The movie sucked on an infinitly more fundamental level than that. It, like Titanic, was sappy manipulative crap that took aim at the lowest common denominator. But whatever, to each their own. I just don't want my future kids, if I have any, busting my chops for living in an age where a movie like that gets Best Picture. But this thread is about Polar whatever. I think Zemeckis and Hanks are going to quietly sweep this under the rug.
Nov. 22, 2004, 3:31 a.m. CST
...although I can see your points about it. I had the same feeling about Polar Express...I downloaded the first half from the newsgroups and it is pretty unwatchable and I LOVE computer animation. It's just a lame kiddie story though that offers nothing to adults. I was tempted to see it in Imax 3D, but I know it will be torture despite the great 3D, so I'll pass.
Nov. 22, 2004, 4:45 a.m. CST
I thought Mori said he was "conflicted" on his opinion of it, as a story. He then gives the most negative review of anything I have read all year - "let the torture begin"? In that sense, an odd review. Though I can understand the rant about Zemekis. Back to the Future is one of my favourite films ever, and he does seem to have of lost his way a bit, in recent years.
Nov. 22, 2004, 8:12 a.m. CST
And I think you're overrating it terribly. So I'll check out Polar Express thank you very much.
Nov. 22, 2004, 9:53 a.m. CST
Go read my review in talkback section of Harry's Polar Express review , Morriarty pretty much copied it.
Nov. 22, 2004, 10:01 a.m. CST
I agree with him 100%, right on Moriarty!!!
Nov. 22, 2004, 11:38 a.m. CST
It's darkly imaginative, riveting, warm, and gorgeous. I find it infinitely superior to the earth-bound "Incredibles" - and Moriarty is the most ego-driven critic on the net.
Nov. 22, 2004, 1:01 p.m. CST
Nov. 22, 2004, 1:59 p.m. CST
by Silver Shamrock
and it makes for a great read. I hated Contact. All that build-up for an incident that may or may not have happened to jodi foster which winds up being a matter of faith.. THAT I can live with. What I can't live with is the condescending scene at the end where James Woods confirms the 6 hours of missing time on the tape, which completely negates the entire premise of the movie, and TELLS YOU WHAT TO THINK. At that point Zemecks reveals he has no faith in his audience and robs them of the joy of connecting any of the dots themselves. Every thing he's done since then has condescend to the audience in one way or another. He gives away way too much of his movies in the trailers because he's condescending to you. This is a driect quote from him: "Americans want to know what they're going to get for their money." I saw the trailers for what lies beneath and cast away and learned every plot point, every twist and how it would end. Why see the movie?
Nov. 22, 2004, 2:49 p.m. CST
by darth kubrick
Never played Final Fantasy, but to me the characters look just like the creepy kids from the Silent Hill games. Eeeeeaaach.
Nov. 22, 2004, 3:28 p.m. CST
All the reasons you have given for disliking Gump are the best things about the film. Never did any group of people sacrifice more in the quest for "self-discovery" than the Baby Boom generation - and never did any group of people actually discover less. And it's true that after 100,000 variations on Easy Rider we were due for ONE film that considered the possibility that the counterculture experiment was ultimately a failure.
Nov. 22, 2004, 4:02 p.m. CST
I remember after that film came out he was obsessed by it and mentioned it in every other review and article for a year. He was acting like it was the worst film ever made and now he seems to be downplaying how much he hated every second of it.
Nov. 22, 2004, 4:34 p.m. CST
Gump, the character, stands for the conservative ideal: The good old-fashioned simplisitic American, who doesn't "get" the whole Jenny-drugs-sex thing. The fact that he is painted as a mental midget should key you all in a little to the satrical tone of the whole (I think brilliant) film. "Forrest Gump" is , as Roger Ebert said, a dream of reconciliation between the two perilously divided strands of American culture. The Forrests (who want things to stay the way they were, and who don't understand anything else) and the Jennys (who are constantly seeking something else, and running away from an imperfect past) - Zemeckis's film understands both sides of the American political idealogical argument and, as Ebert says, reconciles them. A great populist film - and hardly a conservative fantasy.
Nov. 22, 2004, 5:12 p.m. CST
I thought it was a good movie that fucked up and missed the opportunity to be a great one. I suspected the book was probably better and I was right. Having Jodie date a preacher (who's a tiny character in the book) is silly. The faith thing at the end would work, but he blows it with the blank tape thing (not to mention the guy at the hearing at the end who gives the hammiest reading ever: "you expect us to take it...on FAITH?"). What Lies Beneath was awful, not scary and no real plot, it would have only been slightly better if the trailers didn't give away that Ford was the villian. Same with Cast Away, the island stuff is great, but he gave away that he's saved, and the stuff back home is awful. I actually think Gump is a great movie and satirizes BOTH sides, I find it very funny that conservatives seem to miss the joke and take it seriously. Shit, it's a movie about an idiot who's every success happens by accident and is regarded as a genius by a moronic public. And ironically, many in the moronic real life public saw the character as a hero or a role model. I see it as a cinematic inkblot test, you'll interpret it based on what your political biases want to see (just like Team America!). I'm sure there were people who didn't get the joke with Archie Bunker as well, and were either offended or considered him a conservative hero.
Nov. 22, 2004, 5:48 p.m. CST
by Shaner Jedi
Shocking! Unlike Moriarty, I don't lock myself into little idealogical boxes.
Nov. 22, 2004, 5:54 p.m. CST
by Shaner Jedi
Gump is a film that treats both cultural sides as lacking something. Little Forrest is the bridge between the two. He makes the two increasingly divided cultures whole again. What a great movie.
Nov. 22, 2004, 6:28 p.m. CST
Get off your high horse, Moriarty. Let me be the first to admit that if I was at the North Pole about to see Santa, I would be the first to start chanting like an excited child. And you would be, too, and you know it. I thought it was an awesome movie. But, hey, what do I know? I'm just your average moviegoer.
Nov. 22, 2004, 6:30 p.m. CST
Zemeckis still has the magic. I don't think there are too many director's who could make the loss of a volleyball(!) so moving.
Nov. 22, 2004, 7:35 p.m. CST
I'm not asking you guys whether you like or dislike Gump, or whether you agree/disagree with Mori on this; this is my question...and PLEASE do your best to be objective and answer it: Is it appropriate to give a mini-review of GUMP inside a POLAR EXPRESS review? Are we going to get a trashing of 1941 in the review of WAR OF THE WORLDS next year? Will we get a review of KING KONG that spends a significant amount of time talking about MEET THE FEEBLES? Robert Zemeckis didn't even write GUMP, nor did he write POLAR EXPRESS... so, I guess his 'choices' as a director are what's being put under the microscope? Polar Express is based on a beloved children's book, about a boy on a train and santa claus; and last time I checked, doesn't really have any commentary on politics. Forrest Gump is a period-drama about a mentally challenged man that overcomes many obstacles and does things most of us will never do. The connections are uncanny... and of course I am being sarcastic. If part of the story in GUMP was how Jenny was a lost-soul, and had a hard life, and she took drugs and slept around, then that's the story. Guess what.. she's a hippie too. If that's a right-wing slant, then real life could also be a right-wing slant, since I'm sure there were some "jennys" who slept around and took drugs during the woodstock era. I didn't see the message "all hippies were losers" in the movie AT ALL. She was one case. I suppose the writer and/or Zemeckis should've added another 30 mins to show some positive "hippie" characters to make sure they weren't being partisan? That's ridiculous, that's not what the movie was about. Seeing the horror of what happened to Lieutennant Dan in the war doesn't seem very pro-war or right-wing to me. The movie CONTACT came out after GUMP; does anyone here have a problem with it's political view of the world?
Nov. 23, 2004, 12:08 a.m. CST
Also, one might speculate that Jenny's abuse as a child may have had something to do with her problems in life later on, such as hooking up with an abusive lover. If the point had been to show how the counter-culture "led her astray," it would have been better to show her with loving, caring parents, whose good influence was corrupted by the nasty hippies.
Nov. 23, 2004, 3:58 a.m. CST
Go see THE INCREDIBLES again...
Nov. 23, 2004, 10:12 a.m. CST
I gotta say, you're way off here. I was one of those fools who took my 4-year-old son to the flat 2D version of Polar Express. Guess what? He didn't notice the technical glitch with the tongues or the lack of a plot. He didn't seem to think that The North Pole looked like Red Square (despite his Russian heritage) and he didn't see Santa as a nightmare. The kids LOVE this movie! It makes them excited about Christmas time and gives them a nice visual representation of what "Christmas Time" is. Remember Moriarty, subtext is the manifestation of your subjectivity reflected in an artist's work. For instance, Forest Gump was a touching scrap-book of 20th century Americana. Sometimes, when you're too busy search for subtext, you miss the beauty of the actual text.
Nov. 23, 2004, 12:50 p.m. CST
Nov. 23, 2004, 1:08 p.m. CST
Premature submission with my previous talk-back there. Sorry 'bout that. As I was saying, the reason I dislike GUMP, the movie, is because it seems to suggest that if you do as you're told everything will work out just dandy--That you will leave a perfectly happy life if you simply kowtow and bow to authority-figures (thereby relinquising you're god-given ability to actually think; Gump's mental retardation was simply an artistic device to demonstrate this).
Nov. 23, 2004, 1:48 p.m. CST
To the person who points out that Moriarty was conflicted and then gives a negative review, Its simply that he WANTED to enjoy a Robert Z. film and DIDNT and that is the conflict, he is searching for something about the movie he liked and can find nothing. Its the same way I felt when I left The Phantom Menace for the first time. I saw down, getting chills and thrilled to see a new Star Wars after 20+ years. And in the first 10 minutes already was thinking " what the f!@!? I remember thinking George really cant be putting in off lip synching on those stupid aliens is he? Thats not funny thats irritating. And so on and so on. I thought when I saw the preview also, cool! A Robert Z movie and his previous films come to mind. But from the reviews, I will stay away. Any questions :) fernwick
Nov. 23, 2004, 4:38 p.m. CST
by DANTE CUBIT
Reading Moriarty's review here, it would seem that he thinks Robert Zemeckis OWES him a pitch-perfect film simply because Mori followed Zemeckis' career from the beginning. Boo-fucking-hoo! I love it when hack reviewers get bent out of shape over a MOVIE. NOT politics, NOT family concerns, but a fucking MOVIE. Says Moriarty: "You've taken away my CHILDHOOD, Robert Zemeckis. I hate you!" ROFLMAO! As the immortal Bugs Bunny would say to Moriarty, "What a maROON." LOL Keep reviewing films, Mori. You crack me up with your anal-retentive attitude and sanctimonious aire. In fact, I hope Zemeckis' next film pisses you off even more so I can spit out my Cheerios in absolute, gut-blasting hilarity at your hurt feelings. Poor Mori. Where's your blue blanky? I think it's time for you to take a nap.
Nov. 24, 2004, 1:16 p.m. CST
"I was there for you at the very start man." AH-HA-HA-HA-HA!! Shut up McWeeney! The director owes you nothing. You didn't like the film? Fine. Say so and move along. You sound like a chick Mori. "I've been with you since 8th grade!! Boo-hoo-hooo!" Oh, and look around. I mean REALLY look around. The counter-culture deserves the finger.
Nov. 25, 2004, 12:01 a.m. CST
Why do you see Leni Reefenstal there? All this is is, the elves don't just work for any old company, they work for the greatest fucking enterprise in the world, and Santa Claus is their leader, and he does magical things. And they're gathering because it's just about midnite, and it's time for all of their hard work to bear fruit, so they gather in the center of town and have a big celebration. I don't understand why you (and some other critics) see something dark in that.*****This is a landmark moment in cinema history, a really viable 3-D feature. Let's hope there are many more to come. A fully immersive experience, I can't imagine seeing this film in 2-D.
Nov. 25, 2004, 12:26 a.m. CST
in answer to people who say "why do motion capture to just have them look like themselves anyway?"*****I was skeptical about this too. Once you see the movie, its pretty clear. The whole thing is a cartoon, which allows Zemekis incredible visual freedoms. And he uses that to the max. And the Hanks in this film is just cartoony enough to fit into that universe okay, yet real enough like a regular human, that you get that it's Hanks, one of the greatest actors of our generation. The combination works just great.*****And as for the 3-D, man, I feel like the people who saw The Jazz Singer when it came out. I can say I was there at that moment in history.
Nov. 26, 2004, 3:57 a.m. CST
by Daryl van Horn
...other people who see the truth about that over-rated, manipulative piece of crap that everyone gushed over like madmen. And to the people who say Mori shouldn't 'whine' about Zemeckis' crappier films and that he shouldn't mention Gump: guess what, this is his column and maybe you shouldn't whine about what you feel Mori 'owes' you in his own damn column! As for Polar Express, what I've seen already put me off so much I am not surprised by a single thing Mori writes here. Well it pretty much bombed anyway. I always said it looked more like something that certain boring adults think kids SHOULD like rather than than something that kids actually DO like. Great piece Mori.
Nov. 26, 2004, 11:56 p.m. CST
Polar Express is flawed only from an adult's perspective. The stop motion animation makes the humans look inhuman, the story of faith is self-contradictory, and the movie does not probe deeply into characters. But the movie is nevertheless beautiful, and, here's the bottom line on a Christmas movie from a kid's point of view, it's fun. The Polar Express, both book and movie, is a kids' fairy tale. It's a child's fantasy. What kid wouldn't like to hop on a train, get served hot chocolate and candy, meet Santa, and then come home to find a present and note from the big man waiting for you? My 5-year-old son, and six of his kindergarten classmates, loved it. It was a great train ride, Santa, raindeer, and music. If you're an adult, wanting to see a cartoon for adults, see Incredibles, which is a great picture at every level. If you have kids, and you want to show them something safe and fun, go ahead with Polar Express. It's a movie for your child, not you.