Nov. 19, 2004, 2:47 a.m. CST
While I wish they would take their time I'm very happy with this choice (still have to check on IMDB though cuz I only knew that he did Bourne Supremacy) and can't FUCKING wait for this. I hope this project and a good V For Vendetta (which I have yet to read) will help show that not all of Hollywood's attempts to bring Alan Moore's works are piles of shit. Next 2006 it is going to be : Superman, a young Hannibal Lecter, Transformers, and now WATCHMEN!!!
Nov. 19, 2004, 2:49 a.m. CST
As in - what this dude has done, etc. etc.
Nov. 19, 2004, 2:58 a.m. CST
And right atmosphere for the piece. This is promising.
Nov. 19, 2004, 3:57 a.m. CST
If this guy can learn to hold a camera still, then maybe this is a good choice. But the Watchmen comic is nothing besides slowly paced. There's very little actual action. And since Greengrass' two previous films have been shot in documentary style, this guy simply hasn't proved himself. But... then again, Doug Liman went from the shoddily directed Swingers to the confident Bourne Identity in two movies flat. Oh, and to the poster who has yet to read V For Vendetta, hurry up and go read it. It's just fantastic.
Nov. 19, 2004, 4:20 a.m. CST
by Lazarus Long
I like that they're going with someone with some indie cred, but is anyone worried that this guy's style may be too gritty? I'm not talking about tone, but visual style. Watchmen is certainly a gritty, even cynical story at times, but it is drawn in a very classic manner. I'm not saying Michael Bay should be directing it, but don't you think the film should do what the comic did? It SHOULD be revisionist while using a classic style. Do it like the original Superman. The only way people are going to believe the Minutemen are real is if you give them the hero treatment. I just hope we don't wind up with some po-mo thing that is totally inappropriate to the material. I understand the script is going to be updated with regards to things like 9/11, but it was an alternate history to begin with.
Nov. 19, 2004, 4:30 a.m. CST
That was some of the worst camera work I have ever seen. The true mark of an amateur is the shaky cam. If you think that was an effective car chase youa re far too forgiving. but then again Mori if you like Daredevila nd the Punisher forgiving isn't even the word for your tastes. What made Bourne Supremacy even watchable was matt Damons subtle performance and that is it.
Nov. 19, 2004, 5:34 a.m. CST
Just read that The Wachowskis are set to produce, and that their first A.D.(James McTeigue) will direct... http://www.rte.ie/arts/2004/1119/vforvendetta.html
for the (in my opinion)superior V for Vendetta , not Watchmen. Forgot to mention that. :P
Nov. 19, 2004, 5:53 a.m. CST
by Trevor Goodchild
Speaking of the Transformer movie, anyone seen the car advert with the transformer in it? http://www.carpages.co.uk/citroen/citroen_c4_13_11_04.asp?switched=on&echo=77259953 Good director choice. Balances out the Tim Story side of comicbook film making. Barry Pepper for Rorschach.
Nov. 19, 2004, 6:41 a.m. CST
by Hoke Mosley
Bloody Sunday was awesome! Can't wait to see this. Is it possible that they will get an Alan Moore adaptation right? Has the script been reviewd anywhere?
Nov. 19, 2004, 6:44 a.m. CST
by Hoke Mosley
Don't say "po-mo". Please. And, by the way, Watchmen is pretty much post-modern too...
Nov. 19, 2004, 8:30 a.m. CST
Giovanni Ribisi or David Caruso for Rorschach. Jude Law for Ozymandius. Vin Diesel as Dr. Manhattan. Timothy Hutton as Night Owl. Laura Linney as jupiter's kid (name escapes me at the moment) and Bruce Campbell as The Comedian. And oh yeah...That Urkel kid for the kid at the newsstand. And John "Cliff Claven" Ratzenberger as Richard Nixon.
Nov. 19, 2004, 8:47 a.m. CST
But are they still considering Simon Pegg as Rorschach? That would be genius casting.
Nov. 19, 2004, 8:59 a.m. CST
I thought Bourne Supremacy was a good film, but I had to leave in the middle and throw up. Seriously.
Nov. 19, 2004, 9:28 a.m. CST
This could break him out into mainstream Hollywood like no other role. Here's hoping it's true.
Nov. 19, 2004, 9:49 a.m. CST
Rorscach - Steve Buscemi, Ozymandias - Guy Pearce, Nite Owl - John Cusack, Comedian - Kurt Russell, Dr Manhattan - Hugo Weaving...
Nov. 19, 2004, 9:56 a.m. CST
let's just not make a watchmen film. huh? how about if they make you pay admission price and give you the book and let you read it in a theatre for a few hours (if that's possible) or more. who needs movies when you have your imagination? don't get me wrong, i love moving pictures as much as the next guy but watchmen is a comic book. it was made a comic book for a comic book audience (readers). why not leave well enough alone. if it aint broke don't fix it.
Nov. 19, 2004, 10:12 a.m. CST
Yes, TheKingInYellow, they are going to make the movie no matter what happens, but be glad it isn't an Uwe Boll, a Paul W.S. Anderson, a Albert Pyun or any other hack at the helm. As for Greengrass, I love both his previous film. It might come in handy to learn the man to use a tripod or a steadicam or a dolly, but for those movies, the shaky camera work was perfect. At least I think so. Those who don't like his handheld cameras, go rent a fucking Michael Bay movie if you want slick action.
Nov. 19, 2004, 10:15 a.m. CST
Don't make the Watchmen. Or use the characters in different movies. Rorschach instead of Horshach in a Welcome Back Kotter movie. Dr. Manhattan as the Genie in Aladdin.
Nov. 19, 2004, 10:25 a.m. CST
Otherwise, when they see David Caruso walking around with a "End of the World is Coming" sign, everyone's going to be like "Oh, that's Rohrschach!" ... of course, they probably cut him out ... why are they making this film again?
Nov. 19, 2004, 10:29 a.m. CST
by The UnGod
And apparently, Russian Taxis are built "FORD TOUGH" cuz that one managed to mangle its way through the entire chase! Also like others, I enjoyed the rest of the film, so as long as somebody reigns in this guy's take on action, it could still be good. I hope.
Nov. 19, 2004, 10:49 a.m. CST
by Judge Briggs
dope all around.
Nov. 19, 2004, 11:02 a.m. CST
Nov. 19, 2004, 11:18 a.m. CST
I love this man! Hopefully he'll be a little less liberal with the shakeycam this time around though.
Nov. 19, 2004, 11:27 a.m. CST
Nov. 19, 2004, 11:51 a.m. CST
A pumped up Steve Buscemi as Rorschach, and keep him uncredited so audiences don't know it's him...
Nov. 19, 2004, 11:56 a.m. CST
by Cash Bailey
BLOODY SUNDAY was phenomenal. BOURNE was merely brilliant. This is very, very good news.
Nov. 19, 2004, 12:08 p.m. CST
I remember back in the day when this was being mooted as a starring vehicle for Arnold Schwarzenegger about 15 years or more ago. He was rumored to be the front runner for Doc Manhattan for well, I dunno...but it felt like years. I'd given up on seeing this reach the screen, thinking that everybody who wanted to read the book had already done so and it was ready for obscurity - apart from geeks like us. I guess the resurgent interest in superhero movies will prove me wrong. The sad thing is...unless they chop it in half, like Kill Bill with a six month release gap, there's just too much story for one movie. Hey, it just occurred to me....what a total dream scenario - The Watchmen, directed by Quentin Tarantino. Now, there's a guy who'd do the Rorschack character justice on screen....I can see it now...Rorschack played by Steve Buscemi. Damn. Hollywood can have my idea for free.
Nov. 19, 2004, 1:39 p.m. CST
Nov. 19, 2004, 1:53 p.m. CST
(Blinks eyes and nods with arms crossed) There! Maybe these assholes will learn what it's like to spend $8.50 on a movie only to end up spewing halfway through...
Nov. 19, 2004, 1:54 p.m. CST
by Super Person
I'm still with the guy who said David Caruso... I think he could do him well... I don't think anyone British should do it, because Rorshach's dead monotone delivery wouldn't sound quite as dead and monotone if it was British, especially not in the middle of America...
Nov. 19, 2004, 2:19 p.m. CST
I respectfully disagree that Bourne Supremacy was strong on character. I thought character development was it's weakest quality, especially compared with the first installment. Supremacy relied on herky-jerky camera work and rapid fire editing to hold our attention. The only new aspect of Bourne's personality was his thirst for revenge (bo-ring). I really missed the humanizing presence of Franka Potente. It's a pet peeve of mine that when a character like her survives a whole movie only to be killed off at the beginning of a sequel (like Hicks and Newt in Alien 3) especially when they're used as fodder for vengance. Let's hope Greengrass chills out and allows Watchmen to unfold at its own compelling pace -- and with all of its rich characters intact.
Nov. 19, 2004, 3:23 p.m. CST
Absolutely on the money! I actually skipped Bourne Supremacy when I learned they killed off the Marie Helena Kreutz character early on. The mark of a good writer in a sequel -- any sequel -- is abiding by the "play it as it lays" rule. No killing off characters to give yourself a better position. Either continue the story where it left off, or go write something original.
Nov. 19, 2004, 4:03 p.m. CST
by Rex Manning
This is all very well, but WE'VE GOTTA FOCUS and STOP THIS EVIL DEAD REMAKE madness!!! Who knew that Raimi would be a sell-out?!! Come on guys, it's time to save BRUCE!
Nov. 19, 2004, 4:40 p.m. CST
Rorschach-david curuso Nite-Owl-John Cusack The Comedian-Ray Liotta Ozymandias-Guy Pearce Dr.Manhattan-jeff goldblum Silk Spectre(laurie)-jennifer garner
Nov. 19, 2004, 5:58 p.m. CST
I just can't fathom Hollywood not making this film into something the graphic novel ever was. I like the director fine and there have some very good casting choices mentioned here but the real trick is NAILING the script. If the film isn't done right it has little chance of capturing what made the comic great. I very much doubt they can pull this off. I see another "From Hell" which wasn't the worst show ever, but just not a good translation of the original material. Heather Ghram wasn't naked enough either. She played a whore for hell's sake!
Nov. 19, 2004, 6:02 p.m. CST
by Evil Chicken
William H. Macy for Rorschach, please? Thank you.
Nov. 19, 2004, 6:55 p.m. CST
And he should use his Chris voice from Family Guy. "Evil must be punished."
Nov. 19, 2004, 11:46 p.m. CST
by Johnny Smith
Dreiberg: Tom Hanks; Blake: John Goodman; Laurie: Claudia Black; Dr. Manhattan: Wayne Pygram; Rorschach: Simon Pegg; Veidt: Jude Law.
Nov. 20, 2004, 12:47 a.m. CST
by Buster Gonads
Kidies, kiddies, lets have a look at the book again shall we? The superheores in Watchmen are middle aged or close to middle age dudes. They had retired and were sent to pasture. Therefore the casting suggestions here are basically too young. I can't give a complete list but Rorscharch should be Willem Dafoe, Nite Owl (young) should be someone like William Hurt, Nite Owl (old) Clint Eastwood, Comedian a beefed up De Niro... well you get the picture. Definitely, Jude Law is far too young to be Ozymandias, though he is pretty and looks gay enough. And having just watched Bourne Supremacy, I think the choice of director is ace.
Nov. 20, 2004, 1:10 a.m. CST
He was Percy Wetmore in "The Green Mile" and Victor Toomes in "The X-Files" and he's PERFECT. He's halfway unknown so he won't bring a lot of baggage to the role, and he's the right size, has the right look, and can play a creepy little bastard with the best of them! And PLEASE make Burt Reynolds the older Comedian!
Nov. 20, 2004, 2:11 a.m. CST
Let's also keep in mind that Paul Greengrass did not write the script to 'The Bourne Supremacy.' Also, you say "relied on shakycam and fast edits" as if it was some sort of trick, which would make it less of a natural thing (and more of the annoying gimmick you probably found it to be) in the first place. I agree, there wasn't as much character development to be had in 'The Bourne Supremacy,' aside from the way Bourne handled Julia Stiles' character and the last few scenes of the movie (not counting the coda in NYC), but Greengrass (and Damon, natch) milked as much as he could out of it. Just re-watch the scene where he breaks out of interrogation.
Nov. 20, 2004, 2:17 a.m. CST
Yeah, losta names have been tossed up for this one. I haven't come up with any myself, and so I can't say if there's no one else out there, but out of all the actors I've heard -- and depending on how old/young they skew -- I think the best casting call here has been Doug a.k.a. "Percy" Hutchinson from 'The Green Mile' and a couple of "X-Files" episodes. Simon Pegg beats him in terms of resemblence, sure, but this guy can play a perverted creep better than I suspect Pegg can. And something about him is just scary. He'd be my choice. Props to Holly Wight on that one.
Nov. 20, 2004, 9 a.m. CST
So given that I guess I'll play the casting game. Rorschach - David Caruso or Rutger Hauer, Dr Manhattan -Edward Norton , Nite Owl - Christian Slater or John Cusack, The Comedian - Ray Liotta or David Keith, Ozymandias - Neal McDonough, Silk Spectre - Famke Janssen. Original Nite Owl/Hollis Mason - Paul Newman. Moloch - Malcolm McDowell. ********************************************************************** Something like that'd do me anyway.
Nov. 20, 2004, 9:03 a.m. CST
This is going to be quite a difficult thing to pull off. The comic is nearly 20 years old, and was set in 1985, during the Cold War. Indeed, it is a fairly central plot point that Dr Manhattan's existence has protracted and heightened the Cold War. It seems unlikely that the producers will stick to the original set-up, as that would make the film effectively a period piece set in an alternate timeline, which is a bit obscure for a mainstream movie audience. So the film is more likely to be set in the present. The problem here is that the entire plot revolves around an imminent conflict between the US and the USSR. I can see some ways around this, but most of these would of necessity involve the US being portrayed in an unfavourable light (eg - (MINOR SPOILER) Ozymandias's plan is stop the US nuking a Middle Eastern country, rather than stopping all-out nuclear armageddon). This again seems unlikely, post 9/11. In fact, now that I think about it, the ending is probably a little to close to home for comfort as well. None of the difficulties are insurmountable, but I have a deep fear that the producers will bottle it, and just make a straightforward superhero movie, which will suck.
Nov. 20, 2004, 9:42 a.m. CST
Nov. 20, 2004, 2:16 p.m. CST
by Dr Farragammo
I think it's interesting how we have similar ideas fo casting or in some places, the same actors for different roles. Here's who I think would be a great cast: Ozymandius-Jude law Comedian- Ray Liotta , Mickey Rourke or Michael Madsen (although the Comedian's face is a dead ringer for Dennis Farina) Nite-Owl - Ralph Fines or Liam Neeson Silk Spectre -Jennifer Conelly Rorschach -Steve Buscemi , Willem Dafoe, or Gary Oldman!! Dr. Manhattan - Guy Pearce or Jeff Goldblum I think the fat dude from Die Hard and Family Matters would be a lookalike for the psychiatrist but I doubt he'd have the skills to pull it off, and how about Danny Aiello for the newstand owner? I enjoyed the Bourne Supremay but man does that guy need a good steadicam operator. Watchmen is a iconic comic almost Citizen kane like in it's framing, and it needs a director who can pull great wide shots and close ups. I'm also suprised David Fincher hasn't expressed interest in the film, since this seems like something right up his alley.
Nov. 20, 2004, 2:24 p.m. CST
by Dr Farragammo
you can't cover this all in one movie, without making it shit. You'd have to do a 2-parter at the least, otherwise you'll get shit like Daredevil where they mashed 3 storylines and resolved them all in the first film, and it fucking sucks. Although this is only one comic, it has so many divergent plots it could face a similar plight. I don't think there would be any point in showing tons of coverage of the pirate comic, maybe as a dvd extra for the fans, but I think in film form, it could be tedious. But the scene I'm looking forward to the most is Rorschach's prison breakout!
Nov. 20, 2004, 3:19 p.m. CST
by Lance Rock
Nov. 20, 2004, 4:14 p.m. CST
by Fuck You Moses
I watched them butcher "From Hell" and "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen," but I really have to draw the line at Watchmen. There's no way even a GOOD director could make a comic like this into a good movie. The book is too long, too layered, too dense. Its meditations on abuses of power are explicitly framed within the context of the 1980s, the height of the Cold War, and the prospect of ever-present Mutually Assured Destruction; to translate those themes cogently into a modern setting while still retaining their bite would take a bona fide genius, not a hack action director - and even then, it wouldn't be a movie, it would be a twelve-part miniseries. Instead, we'll get two hours of Doctor Manhattan as a CG-laden special effect and Rorshach as a quasi-fascist hero thug, and the result will make Judge Dredd look like a work of art. Please leave this to rot in Development Hell.
Nov. 20, 2004, 10:21 p.m. CST
Thought I'd post some info about the script for those that didn't know. One of the co-screenwriters on the first X-Men movie, David Hayter, is responsible for having adapted Watchmen. He had an eye towards directing it supposedly because he didn't want to see it get fucked up by someone else, but since he has no real experience he wasn't able to get the job. A couple of reviews of the script have appeared online and both reviews were screamingly positive (one of said reviews having appeared on this very site). Both reviews put the script on a VERY high pedastal, one of them comparing this adaptation to the adaptation of The Lord of the Rings trilogy. HERE IS WHAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED AS BEING IN THE SCRIPT/ NATURALLY HERE IS A SPOILER WARNING-----anything involving the pirate comic book has been cut, the ending has been cleaned up supposedly because of 9/11 and instead of a beast being teleported into the middle of New York City, an energy beam shot from space will supposedly be used in the final scenes---END SPOILERS can't think of anything else that will be in it and/or not be in it at the moment. Sam Hamm (scriptwriter for one of the two original Batman movies from director Tim Burton) wrote a screenplay for Watchmen.....while I haven't read it in its entirety, I did skip straight to the ending and I must say that if I had my way I would drag this man out in the street and put 17 bullets into his torso for rewriting the ending (Ozymandias claims that the only way to save the present from annihilation is to kill Dr. Manhattan, Manhattan is killed and the heros are pulled through a dimensional portal into our world ("the real world") and that is where it ends, with people exclaiming "Hey, there is the Watchmen!" (now that I think about it almost reminds me of how Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes remake ended) here is the link from joblo.com----- http://scifiscripts.com/scripts/wtchmn.txt in closing, I would like to say I don't really care who all gets cast just as long as Tim Roth plays Rorschach (sp) (I'm just kidding, I do care about who else gets cast, here's to hoping they don't fuck it all up).
Nov. 20, 2004, 10:24 p.m. CST
I think it would be wonderful if Stacy Keach played the Comedian as an older man and if they got Treat Williams to play the Comedian as a younger man.
Nov. 21, 2004, 3:11 a.m. CST
... it's just hibernating for a couple of decades. The Chinese are expected to have 75-100 missiles targeted at the USA by 2015. Pretty M.A.D. Hell, they have 10-25 now, which pretty destructive-- probably enough to irradiate every US metro-area/city with a population above 1,000,000. ............ As to making a Watchmen movie-- I've said it before (although less concisely), and I reiterate: make three films, shoot them simul, release them April/July/November in 200X, rake in the moolah. As for casting, just get Debra Zane as casting director, she seems to know how to get pull together nigh perfect ensembles. Denise Chamian would be another great choice.
Nov. 21, 2004, 7:55 a.m. CST
Instead of trying to make older actors look younger, why not have younger actors made to look older?
Nov. 22, 2004, 10:55 p.m. CST
by Dr Farragammo
Anybody who says Watchmen is dated isn't following the news of today. The problems happening in the Reagan age have turned into the problems facing us now. We helped put Hussein and Bin laden in power to help us fight the commies, and now they've bit us in the ass. Bush should have read Watchmen and watched Dr Strangelove before commiting to war. Both are dated in the period in which they were created but both have all the themes and issues facing us today. But instead of watching or reading something infomative, Bush was too busy reading My Pet Goat and ignoring every other printed material including the daily paper. Just realize instead of big bad russia we have Iran and North Korea to concern ourselves with. To believe the cold war is over is to be naive. It's not over, it's just switched regions. For another example go watch a performance by the late Bill Hicks commenting on Reagan or Bush sr. If you do you'll realize much hasn't changed in our political troubles, and our choice of shithead leaders.
Nov. 23, 2004, 12:53 p.m. CST
if you really wanted it to be a grownup filum.