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Quint visits ILM!!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a little story to tell about a tiny effects company and a crappy movie. Grab a comfy chair, scoot in close and set a spell, squirts!
I've made no secret of my dislike of VAN HELSING. I view Sommers' flick as a giant missed opportunity and expected much better from someone as in love with the Classic Universal Monsters as Sommers' seems to be. Matter of fact, one of the only good things that came out of VAN HELSING, in my opinion, was the release of all the Classic Universal Monster flicks on DVD. My unflattering review of VAN HELSING can be read here.
Knowing all this, Universal contacted me anyway about a junket for the VAN HELSING DVD release. I don't do junkets as a general rule. I'm a thorn in many publicist's sides because I won't do round-table interviews (a ghastly process where studios will sit down one or two people -they call them "talent" at these events- at a table with, like, 10 journalists and give the journies 20 minutes to stab and spear each other in order to get their questions out). Round-tables only succeed in getting the exact same information out on many different outlets. That's good for the studio, but is really shitty for us.
So, I was ready to tell them no when I read that their plan for their VAN HELSING DVD junket wasn't to have 20 people scratching and clawing to ask Hugh Jackman about X3 or the WOLVERINE movie or what shampoo he uses or boxers or briefs, but to lead a tour through ILM and talk with a few of the effects guys behind the film. Anyone who has grown up with STAR WARS (the real ones), INDIANA JONES, POLTERGEIST, ET, and BACK TO THE FUTURE to name a few (my personal favorites of the rest are EXPLORERS and WILLOW... hey, give me a break! To a 10 year old that movie rules!) and remembers watching the Making Ofs for those films can understand the wide-eyed excitement that hit me when I read I had an invitation to visit Industrial Light and Magic.
The problem I had was the junket was scheduled during the Austin AICN screening of SHAUN OF THE DEAD and I was locked in to chatting with director Edgar "Man Kisses" Wright and actors Simon "Loves the Bellend" Pegg and Nick "Hunka-Hunka Burnin' Love" Frost. I hadn't met Nick and wasn't going to miss that for the world. Add on to that my dislike of junkets as a whole, I wrote back to regretfully decline the invitation due to prior commitments.
I got an email back saying that if I was free the day before the main junket, then I could get a private tour through ILM. That's all I needed. Free flight, free room and board and a private tour of ILM in one crazy 30 hour adventure. How could I say no?
First of all, I grew up in the Bay Area and don't get back there much. I love the smell, the feel and the look of the rich area outside of San Francisco (a place I didn't get to visit often, being a poor boy living in Sunnyvale), so it was damn good to see that again, although anyone who has had to go to or leave San Francisco International Airport knows what a nightmare that is, not to mention how damn expensive cab fare to get from the Airport to Sausalito across the Golden Gate is. I'm almost $200 in the hole just in transportation to and from the airport.
Second of all, I didn't get to go to "The Ranch", that mystical place of magic denied to many, home to Skywalker Sound and, I'm sure, the greatest prop room of all time. Instead I was lead to a block of obscure looking grey buildings in San Rafael. It was actually very surreal. All these buildings look like your average office buildings. Squat, drab, black windows... very boring looking and the name "Industrial Light and Magic" appears nowhere. Yet, if you walk into the right door, you're met by a couple nice reception people and a Stormtrooper, blaster at the ready.
In many ways sitting in the reception area was the most interesting part of the whole experience for me. Imagine a small room that is about 1/3rd taken up by the reception desk and has two walkways branching off almost like a clock with hands at 12 and 3 if you're facing reception; one to your right and one that goes past the desk to the left. They had 2 matte paintings up in the reception area. The one that grabbed me by my nuts and made me sharply intake a gulp of oxygen was from RETURN OF THE JEDI, an Endor matte that had the landing platform that sticks out above the trees and the giant satellite dish in the distance. That image was burned into my head by repeat viewings as a child and to see it there... in front of me... a real work of art, the original one and only... it took my breath away. All of a sudden my current disappointment and cynicism that has come about from the repeated SEs and prequels disappeared, if only for a moment, and I was hit by the same joy that I had when I was a kid, back in a time when being a STAR WARS fan was cool and the STAR TREK geeks, who dressed up and acted the fool, were lame. Times have changed a bit.
The other matte painting up in reception was the far above look at Neverland from HOOK, with the compass in the water, etc. It was really neat to see, but lacked the oomph that the Endor painting had. On another wall was a giant black and white blow up (I'd guess about 8 feet by 6 or 7 feet) of the Cyclops from THE SEVENTH VOYAGE OF SINBAD. It was signed by Ray Harryhausen, which isn't weird, but what was weird was that it was signed about 8 times, with signature on top of signature on top of signature. It's like the usual visitors have to sign in at the front desk, but every time Harryhausen comes to visit, he has to sign this huge Cyclops picture.
Also of interest to my geek brethren is a prop from WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT? and one of the coolest to boot. It very could have been a replica, but it was still badass to see the cartoon gun and all of the six bullets in a little plexiglass case. Very cartoony, very cool lookin'.
Without much waiting (and after I got a name tag that said "ILM Visitor" with my name on it! How cool is that?!?) I was led through some hallways by the ILM publicity dude, also known as Stephen Kenneally, past framed pictures from various ILM movies, then I was brought in front of Lord Vader himself (lifesized replica much like the Stormtrooper in the waiting room) and I showed the proper respect, of course. I next forced Mr. Kenneally to stop in front of another matte painting, which I was told was the very last matte painting done by ILM. Strangely enough, it was for a film that you wouldn't really associate with ILM matte work. Want a hint? Renny Harlin... one of the only movies he's done that I didn't hate... a sequel... You got it! DIE HARD 2. Now the DIE HARDER matte was from the very end of the film when the planes are landed safely in the snow.
I love matte work so much and I'm so glad that people like Guillermo del Toro are still using non-digital mattes (in HELLBOY). There's just something to having a painting be done by hand, a texture that is missing from most of the digital mattes. The 3 matte paintings I saw at ILM were my favorite parts of the visit.
I was then taken upstairs and introduced to Ben Snow, lead visual effects guru from down under. Snow was a really cool guy and I enjoyed talking to him immensely, but we didn't really go over anything that isn't on the behind the scenes stuff on the VAN HELSING DVD. We talked mostly about my favorite sequence in the movie, Helsing's first fight with Mr. Hyde. He showed me lots of footage on his Mac of Shuler Hensley (FRANKENSTEIN) with a big cardboard Hyde cutout on his head, looking like a ridiculous Pope... which is seen in abundance on the special features of the VAN HELSING disc.
Next I was blindfolded and led out of the building, which I could tell due to the freshness of the air and the feel of the sunlight on my face, and into another building a short distance away where I was given my sight back and introduced to one of the motion capture kings. Yep, I was led to the mo-cap stage, which was very industrial, but with a bright blue wall and a few mo-cap suits hung up on c-stands.
My conversation with (I believe) a man by the name of Kevin Wooley is almost completely covered, topic-by-topic on the VAN HELSING DVD. The invention of the mini-light balls for shooting on a mo-cap stage fitted with real movie lights, the usage of the vampire bride actresses' heads on CG bodies, etc. The guy I was talking to seemed really nice, but I was a little underwhelmed by the stage. That's not to put down the folks at ILM because I'm spoiled by what I saw Weta Digital doing with Gollum last summer during the ROTK pick-ups. They shot Andy Serkis on the Mordor set interacting with Sam and Frodo without having to shoot background plates. It was true to life onset MoCap work and the difference in how Sean Astin was performing increased drastically. In the shooting before the onset MoCap, Astin had difficulty shooting his pass without having anything to hold on to or react against. The intensity to his performance was so much better when he could actually slam Andy against a rock in Mordor and threaten the little creature under his breath. "No more slinker, no more stinker..."
Anyway, that was about the extent of my ILM visit. I apologize for the delay in getting this out. I know the VAN HELSING DVD has been out for a few weeks now, but I always saw this article as being about one geek's peek behind the curtain at ILM. To me that was more interesting than going over the same material that's on the special features of the DVD itself. I hope you enjoyed it! Many thanks to the kind folks who extended the invitation and the cool cats at ILM for putting up with a wide-eyed geek who kept trying to fit that Endor matte painting in his back pocket somehow. I'll be back soon with some good shit from my continuing adventures from the American Film Market. 'Til then, this is Quint bidding you a fond farewell and adieu.
-Quint
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Nov 17, 2004 6:05:11 PM CST
Thanks for a full report filled with useless info. Looks like y
by aceattorney
Congrats.
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Fucking hell, that stuff makes me want to vomit.
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Nov 17, 2004 6:24:19 PM CST
Actually, I thought that was a pretty cool report, just cuz its
by tall_boy
Good report and all, but dude, do you have to sneak in an "I HATE THE STAR WARS PREQUELS!" references in almost every other article? Seriously man, let it go, please.
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Nov 17, 2004 7:14:37 PM CST
Jesus tittyfucking Christ, there are people in the industry who
by i dunno
and WETA can swing from my sack.
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Nov 17, 2004 7:19:00 PM CST
...I mean the guy tours the most incredible FX shop in the world
by i dunno
...talk about costumes you can see at Disney MGM Studios and make an erroneaous comment about a soundstage he knows nothing a about.
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Im sorry. i drifted off there, just after "Quint went to ILM".
And for the record, i know a lot of geeks see ILM as some kind of mecca. But its a bunch of geeks with computers slowly and painstakingly compiling data to make finished FX. It is not Chuck E Cheese. Christ.
To me its more an achievement to have been banned from the Ranch like Mori than it is for someone to get used by Universal to check out ILM.
Remember when these guys revelled in being surly and giving a big finger to the studios. Now they're getting fingered by them. Mori, to his credit, still drops some shit on this site that raises industry blood pressure. Everyone else has closed their eyes and enjoyed the studio shaft firlmly placed between the cheeks.
To quote Bill Hicks: "Sucking Satan's Pecker. Suck it, it's just your dignity" -
Nov 17, 2004 7:52:57 PM CST
Wow, Quint, I don't know, you seem to generate a lot of hate...
by anlashok
Methinks you might benefit from starting a new "Hate Column." That or avoid dissing the holiest of holys for awhile.
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AAWWOOOOO!!! but anyway Quint is a lucky bastard for going to ILM.
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Why is Lucas singled out for having a franchise that makes a lot of money? He could have made a Star Wars movie every 3 years after ROTJ and made a shitload more than he did. He also could have released a dozen versions of the OT DVD like they're doing with LOTR but he waited for one definitive version. He sinks most of his profits into his FX and sound studio, without which shops like WETA would still be using stop motion. The guy adopted 3 kids for fuck's sake. If you don't like SW then fine but get off Lucas' jock for fuck's sake, it's pathetic.
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Sorry, dude, but your article sucked.
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Get off your high horse, you noisy windbag. Cheerlead for George someplace else.
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Nov 18, 2004 12:42:47 AM CST
Sorry for the dissenting opinion filled with actual facts there,
by i dunno
Take it somewhere else? In a thread about ILM? Jesus. Oh right, it doesn't matter what the thread is about, this is AICN. You don't want my non-Lucas bashing kind here. God forbid anyone not go along with the herd. Christ, it's like Goddamn middle school here. Ok, where does the "fellate Peter Jackson" line start?
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Nov 18, 2004 1:09:19 AM CST
you'll be waiting forever in the "fellate Peter Jackson" line cu
by tall_boy
They keep getting it all over thier faces and swallowing but they won't stop. Its good to be a cockwhore and but when the sperm buildup is all over the place maybe its time to settle down for awhile.
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Seriously. I'm rolling on the floor here. Your fanboyish rants are amusing. You guys rant about your favorite movie series like it's some sort of religon, and speak of their directors like god/the devil. Get some perspective.
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Nov 18, 2004 5:48:40 AM CST
I didn't say Lucas was God, I'm just sick of these children regu
by i dunno
I don't think the prequels are perfect but for once I'd like to go to a TB without a bunch of kids (and if they aren't kids it's even more pathetic) going out of their way to explain to everyone how 'Luca$ is teh suxxxor' and whining about how much money he makes. One would think that would be a waste of one's time. Especially when they don't know what the hell they're talking about in the first place. ....that was some funny shit, Tallboy.
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Nov 18, 2004 7:54:37 AM CST
Not a particularly interesting article...but partly because ILM
by minderbinder
Heck, the ranch would kick ass. But an FX shop nowadays is mostly pale guys sitting in front of big monitors. It would be cool to see guys making models or something, but they probably do that at a different location.
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You just need to retire. And a tour of ILM and no mention of the model shop. lol.
You're just too old and crusty. Between this and the AICN JC hummers you give PJ every time you type anything SW-related, you just need to hang it up. -
I got to see ILM while I was working on Spawn in '97. It really is unspectacular. Quint's descriptions about lobby are correct. The rest of the buildings are bland corridors and most of the interesting stuff is usually shut behind doors with blacked out windows. I did get to see the screening room, which was kinda cool, especially to see the scenes I worked on. But the rest of ILM is truly nondescript. When I moved to San Rafael, I tried to find ILM - I even drove by it several times without knowing it. It does have an awesome Chinese restaurant across the street. The Ranch is a different story. I visited the Victorian house and it's redwood library and it's spectacular. I also went the cafeteria across the pond which was pretty cool, it had a racquet ball court and a gift shop. People in the industry respect ILM, they don't treat the location as a Mecca. No one I've worked with would ever give a left or right nut to visit ILM twice. The Ranch, however, is a different story...
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...the point behind the Luca$ barb. It isn't that he makes gobs of money. Where most film makers are concerned, that is incidental. It is that he sacrifies things like plot and story in favor of cranking out half-assed installments in a once beloved franchise for the sole purpose of making money (as opposed to stimulating people's imaginations) that honks folks off. And he did release an awful lot of versions of the original films on video... at least as many as Jackson has of the Rongs trilogy on DVD... and at least Jackson didn't try to get us all to pay $8.50 a pop to see remastered versions of his films in the theaters.
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First I apologize if I got your name wrong, but I had to comment about the crack about $8.50 for the special editions. Peter Jackson did just that with the extended versions that were released just prior to the next installment. More or less the same thing. Lastly I have to bring out the child card. I agree that the prequels are not perfect, but most children that I've talked to (relatives in the 5-17 year old range) love the prequels. I personally remember sitting in some high-electronics store when I was young watching Star Wars when it first came out on the disc format that was the precursor to Laser Disc. Watching it now, Star Wars drags in parts and has some AWFUL acting, but is still special. People can bag on Lucas all they want, but LOTR and pretty much every other movie with any special effects would not be nearly as good if it wasn't for him.
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Nov 18, 2004 2:53:11 PM CST
"I went to ILM and saw some stuff. The End" would have sufficed,
by george newman
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I was lucky enough to tour ILM and The Ranch "a long time ago." Other cool stuff: the maquettes used to model the T-Rex and T-1000 for the computers, a portion of the model set for the mine-coaster from "Temple of Doom". My personal highlight: playing with the rubber "guts" of a corpse from the film "Fire in the Sky". (Yeah, I know, not a great film, but the corpse was from the coolest scene in the film, where the protagonist wakes up in zero-G on the UFO, plus I had just seen it in the theaters like the week before my visit.) If they ever wanted to open the place to tourists, Lucas could make another billion...
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I have to agree with I Dunno for the most part. If Lucas honestly wasn't happy with his movies and changed them to what he is happy with, I can't blame him. I might do the same. I would make both available though, that part still boggles my mind. Why not give us both? As for the prequel suckage, I would say only TPM sucked. Someone said that children love the prequels. That's probably true. But adults and children loved the originals. In the originals the main characters did and said funny things, but weren't the three stooges. In TPM Lucas removed humor from everyone and put it all in Jar Jar Binks. Having "the funny guy" just didn't work. There wasn't any overt sillyness in the original movies, with the exception of Wicket hitting himself in the head. Jar Jar just wrecked TPM for me by being in almost every scene and being rediculously goofy in all of them. He's in a battle where his own people are fighting and getting killed and he's still "the goofy comic relief". In AOTC, which I thought was a huge improvement, C3PO took over with his rediculous one liners. I think I'm way off topic now, but I think we do need to cut Lucas some slack for giving us more good than bad. I actually have high hopes for Episode III. Then again, there was a sign on the house on Ocean Ave. in Amityville, NY that said "High Hopes" on it. Hmmm....
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He made some good movies, and then he started making crap... what I hate is YOU guys... what a collective waste of space, oxygen, money, and effort you all represent...
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Nov 18, 2004 6:55:07 PM CST
I'm not here to defend the prequels but don't try to say they ha
by i dunno
You either like the prequels or you don't. But the "sacreficing plot" part...say what you want about the prequels, Jar Jar is gay, Anakin and Padme have no chemestry, too much CGI...you can't say that the movies have no plot. Palpatine's rise to power alone has more plot than the OT had combined, not to mention its relevance to today's current events but I digress. I'm not asking that you like the prequels, I just wish people would give more intelligent and convincing arguments than "Luca$ sux". And for the record, I also really wish he'd include the originals on the DVD for a lot of reasons but he didn't. It sucks, I agree but it's not the end of the world. So anyway, screw this thread. For all the Lucas bashers, just try to sound intelligent and maybe people will take you seriously. //still would give my left one to tour ILM
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Nov 18, 2004 7:03:12 PM CST
Final note: "cranking out half-assed installments in a once belo
by i dunno
I also don't think you could call spending 15 years to make the prequels "cranking" them out. And "for the sole purpose of making money" is a complete supposition, again I point to the fact that he waited for the technology to catch up to what he wanted before he made them and he himself said that these movies would not be as well received as the originals. So no, I dispute your assertion that his sole purpose is to make money. Especially since he refused studio financing and paid for them himself, and sinks so much of his profits back into his FX shops. Ok, that is all.
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Nov 19, 2004 8:07:55 AM CST
I was at Skywalker Ranch and ILM...and remember it being pretty
by jon e cin
I thought Stormtroopers guarded the doors and shit..but nothing except a regular ole building with some cubicles. blah
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...about there being "a dozen" LOTR DVD editions? There are ONLY the theatrical (any decent release has a WS/FS option) and the extended. If you want the collectible statue along with the extended it doesn't change the dvd in any way. Jackson also didn't sham anyone. He let you know that extended editions were on the way BEFORE the theatrical edition dvds were released- giving people the option to wait- like I am with ROTK. You clowns always talking about "a dozen" dvd editions sound exactly like the Prequel apologist LOTR hating sour puss moes that you are. Here's three cold hard facts for you haters- 1) LOTR has better acting, better story, better special effects- better EVERYTHING. 2) The original Star Wars ripped HEAVILY off of Tolkien's story. 3) Don't expect LOTR to get special effects updates every five years or so like Lucas's bullshit. When can we expect the Episode I "special edition" where whatever iota of soul (0.05 %?) there was in the movie completely evaporates- not that anyone would NOTICE... Think about it- what's more sourpuss- People who love the original SW trilogy but hate the new ones because they FLAT OUT SUCK or Prequel apologists who hate LOTR movies because they make the prequels look even more like the insane joke that they are? Who's the REAL haters?
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Nov 19, 2004 9:04:38 AM CST
"And a tour of ILM and no mention of the model shop." Maybe tha
by minderbinder
Do they even have a model shop at that particular building?
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You uber geek.
Oh, and 'I Dunno' is right. Stick a lightsaber in there and it fucking rocks.
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You're forgetting about the cash Lucas rakes in from merchandising- how he paid for the films doesn't mean spit as long as he's paid back in spades from merchandising- also- the fact that it took "15 years" to prep the prequels only makes it more amazing that they suck wild ass. And as far as "waiting for the technology to catch up"- I just don't see it. I personally don't think the effects in the PT are all that great. Looks like a video game to me. Probably shouldn't even call them special effects anymore- for one thing there's nothing special about geeks comfortably creating creatures and landscapes on expensive computer programs with a piping hot mug of tea sitting on front of them. Given- it works if BLENDED with ACTUAL special effects- but it wasn't. If this soulless videogame movie making future is what Lucas has "given us"- then I can honestly say I'm not impressed. His achievements will only hurry along the bleak future depicted in his first feature film. He's the fucking antichrist.
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If you think 12 1/2 hours of trying to throw a ring into a volcano in the backdrop of tedious CGI battle after tedious CGI battle with crying midgets and talking trees (I mean for fuck's sake, talking trees) is cool then great for you. But unless you're completly illiterate you'd know that both LOTR and SW drew from the same well storywise. Anyway, I'm sure ILM is more than just a bunch of cubicles. They at least have a model shop and an art dept.
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This kind of descriptive reporting is the stuff that AICN does better than anybody. The descriptions of what you see on the walls at ILM, what they have on display...the stuff that makes those of us who'll never get an opportunity to visit these places the feeling that we already have, by proxy. Go back & read Harry's set reports from Kill Bill, or filming the last few days of LOTR and you'll get my drift. I love this stuff. Keep it coming, oh, and cool job on the story, man.
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You have an appropriate screenname. I Dunno. How true. LOTR and SW mined the same story well? You're quite wrong. LOTR mined Norse mythology and Beowulf while SW raped LOTR. I must be illiterate though as you point out. And yes, talking, boulder throwing, shit stomping trees are pretty cool. Much cooler than carbon copy clones that you never even see in battle. They don't "attack" anything. You're just sour that LOTR HAS the epic battles that Lucas didn't have the balls to attempt in the Prequels. I'll give you this- the PREQUELS don't lift off of the LOTR story. As someone else wrote in either this forum or the Jedi Council forum- it was too late for Lucas to lift off LOTR further because he knew that Jackson was making the films and to continually rip off RINGS would then look really bad with both RINGS movies and PREQUELS movies coming out side by side. One other thing that I'm sure makes you PREQUEL snugglers even more pissy. You know that LOTR doesn't need any bullshit prequel trilogy. There's just one prequel and it will eventually get made- and to even attempt to compare the quality of the future Hobbit film to these shitty SW Prequels will be ludicrous. And no- you're right that it isn't that there's NO PLOT in the prequels. It's that the plot is convoluted and uninspired. Instead of actual clone wars we get trade federations, decoy padmes, videogame pod racing and expressionless jedis searching from planet to planet for a fucking clue. Yawn.
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and for that I apologize- but I don't see where else on this site to bring it up- on another epic story that should be translated to the small screen- not the big screen- we need to see The Dark Tower- we need to see it done on HBO as 7 seasons- one for each novel and it needs to be done by Daniel Knauff who created Carnivale. That's one of my top three dream experiences. Sadly it probably will never happen.
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I'll take Carnivale season Two starting January 9th, I'll take Sin City, The Brothers Grimm and King Kong. Fuck Episode III. I bought the Star Wars trilogy on DVD and that's it- Star Wars is done with. If Episode III knocks it out of the park I'll eat my shorts and try reeeeeal hard to forget episodes I & II- but in the meantime logic and history dictate Episode III blowing gargantuan whale cock.
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Funny, you just did. And I'm not going to add two and two. Two plus two equals four.
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Are you trying to convince Star Wars fans, that Lord Of The Rings is Superior to Star Wars, or are you really just trying to convince yourselves? I am just curious.
Personally, I love both Star Wars, and Lord Of The Rings, even though I love Star Wars(including the Prequels) better. Am I Superior because I love both Franchises? Of course not, but I am less miserable than you, because I actually enjoy great movies, instead of treating them as competition. -
they didnt do anything like that to me.
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while all this pointless SW v LOTR shit happens in here Lucas and Jackson obviously both like, admire and respect each other....or lucas wouldn't have had jackson on the SW DVD and Jackson wouldn't have done it....
why do LOTR and SW always get compared..i don't get it at all..they are completely different....
maybe if at the end of ROTK at the edge of Mt Doom gollum had turned around and said "no master..... sssssmeagol is your father preciousssss" i could see why....or if at the end of two towers saruman froze aragorn in a block of ice and gave him to a bounty hunter to sell to Jabbalay son of Jumbalay or if in Empire Strikes back luke stumbles across a giant talking tree as he seeks Yoda on dagobah then I might go o.k. I can see why these stories get compared..but at what point do the stories of LOTR and SW even really come close.... -
A Callow Youth from a rural community dreams of adventure. He encounters a seemingly innocuous object with holds a dark secret. A wise old man tells him he must take the object into untold peril. He travels to a dingy bar, where he meets a roguish antihero. With the rogue's help, the youth escapes the evil agents pursuing him. They band together to take the object into enemy territory. Their group includes two comedic sidekicks and a hairy warrior of unusual size. Along the way they encounter a tentacled monster and enemy soldiers in tunnels. The wise old man lays down his life battling an old enemy so the group can escape. The group fights a climactic battle, where the youth is guided by the voice of the wise old man. *** The group has been scattered following a surprise attack by the enemy. The youth and his companion travel to a desolate wasteland. They encounter a strange old creature who leads them through a swamp. The wise old man reappears in a different form to impart advice. Meanwhile, the rogue and his companions travel to a far away, elevated city. There, they must contend with treachery from within. The youth begins to feel the growing influence of evil on his personality. At the end of a climactic battle, the group is reunited. *** The rogue leads a diverse army in a last ditch battle against the forces of evil. Two companions travel to the heart of the enemy base to destroy it. The youth is tempted to his very core to succumb to the will of evil. He is prevented from doing so at the last minute by an unlikely source. The youth barely survives the destruction of the evil lord's base, losing a body part in the process. *** Hmm. What movie are we talking about again? Perhaps, if Lucas had blatantly ripped off Tolkien's Silmarillion for his prequel trilogy, he might have made something worthwhile.
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Nov 23, 2004 6:25:54 PM CST
Its really hard to feel insulted by a mental midget who uses the
by tall_boy
You know this to be true.
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