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Tom Hanks Will Decipher THE DA VINCI CODE!!
Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...
Well, hooray. Looks like Tom Hanks is going to get a franchise finally. It’s about damn time, too. I fully expect that the film version of the gargantuan runaway holy shit best-seller THE DA VINCI CODE is going to be an equally massive movie hit, and you can attack the writer all you want, but he’s crafted a pretty spiffy little thriller ride out of some ridiculously fun historical and artistic footnotes. And if this first film works, I’d welcome any further Dan Brown adaptations that Hanks wanted to star in as well.
Here’s the story that COMING SOON ran about the news that broke originally in NEWSWEEK:
CLICK HERE TO DECIPHER THE CODE!!Very cool. I hope the supporting cast is filled with great actors from all over Europe.
"Moriarty" out.
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But this is completely off... Tom Hanks is not right for Robert Langdon at all... I'd much rather see John Cusack, Russell Crowe, or even Keanu in the role... Hanks is just too... appealing, I think. Anyway, I still hope this doesn't suck, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Nov 14, 2004 10:51:14 PM CST
And the mediocrity of American movie making slouches onward...
by jim jam bongs
...Goodnight, American Cinema!
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Nov 14, 2004 11:17:54 PM CST
Franchise? There's only one other Langdon book, and it's about
by frankdrebin
Do you really think they're going to film that, in these conservative-leaning days? As I already posted in another talkback, I doubt the DaVINCI CODE movie will have the same ending as the book (ie: Sophie's real heritage). Anyway, Dan Brown is supposedly working on a third Langdon book, but there are already so many imitators already that the genre might be played out by the time it hits the shelves. Also, not to sound like a shill for Amazon/Borders, but there's an illustrated version of TDC in stores now.
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Tom's a great actor, but somehow I don't see him as Langdon. I mean let's face it, Langdon is basically a carbon copy of Indy, and Tom's no Indy. Someone mentioned Crowe, and I would have to agree, but he's not American (although that's not necessarily a problem). Nick Cage would have been good if he hadn't decided to star in that rip-off "National Treasure". Bruce Willis would also be a good choice.
I havent read DC, but I have read the 1st Langdon book, Angels and Demons - I'm reading DC next (wanted to go in order). What does everyone think of A & D - do you think it'll be turned into a movie also?? -
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I love Tom Hanks (Fuck you!!) but he's too old to play romantic lead/daredevil adventurer. Hugh would be perfect for it, and he really needs to redeem himself after VAN HELSING stunk the place up so badly.
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As much as America loves Tom Hanks - he is TOTALLY wrong for this roll. Da Vinci code could be a great R rated movie - and with Hanks on board - it's a garaunteed Indiana Jones-wannabe PG13 crapfest waiting to happen. So long Da Vinci code - I'm flushing you early.
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Are you kidding? with as much exposure the book has been getting, they will water it down to get as many of those seats filled with fat asses who were to fecking lazy to read the book.
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Nov 15, 2004 12:29:09 AM CST
The Da Vince Code? I thought it was coming out this week starrin
by grabthars_hammer
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Not sure, but I think in DVC they refer to Langdon as being in his late 30's. Hanks is pushing 50. As someone suggested above, John Cusack is a much better choice.
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I wouldn't call these conservative leaning days. 2/3 of the country could still be called liberal by their ideals, however, the country was obviously split 50/50 in the election due to Bush's politics of fear.
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Well... I guess the film won't appeal to all the geniuses who vote for a dim witted moron to be their president. Christ, Bush is one step removed from a fucking chimpanzee. Too bad the film won't appeal to all of those high-fallutin' inteeeelectual born-again kreestians.
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Like others, I think Hanks feels wrong, but I'm still game to watch it.
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I dont get why the priory of sion was so into keeping something they belived fact a secret. wouldnt that make you guilty yourself and a disservice to what you believe in? if something is kept hidden, it means there is something wrong with the truth,
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Robert Langdon at the time of the Da Vinci Code was in his forties and was graying on the temples. He was called "Harrison Ford in Harris Tweed". Although I love John Cusack and Tom Hanks, neither one seems to fit the image I had when I thought of the character. Hell, I saw more of a Pierce Brosnan or Liam Neeson than either one of those two. I really don't know who I would cast. Russell Crow strikes me as too much of a tough guy. Langdon was an ordinary man in extraordinary situations. Funny thing is I don't think mel Gibson would be too bad but fat chance THAT would happen. I don't know, when I think "Harrison Ford-type" Tom Hanks definitely does not spring to mind. It doesn't matter anyways, the movie will be watered down and look like a "National Treasure' rip-off by the time they are done. Initial reaction - this is gonna suck. Hope they prove me wrong though.
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Seriously Tom Hanks is an awful decision.
This movie most certainly does not need a big name to sell and with Angels and Demons and another Langdon book coming out this week, the Producers had an opportunity to create a Modern Day Indiana Jones and Hugh Jackman would have been the perfect fit.
Yes Van Helsing was ordinary (but thats more the script and director than Jackman).
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Would be perfectly fine for this part. I didn't get the impression from the book that Robert Langdon was a derring-do hero. He's an academic who gets caught up in the whirl of events. No need to get an action star to fill this part. And folks, no one cares how old Langdon is supposed to be, and it won't matter a good goddamn if they age the character 10 years for Hanks. Audrey Tautou as Sophie is an outstanding idea. I hope they shoehorn some Topless Sophie scenes into the script. Regarding the book itself, it was odd that the Priory of Sion was so determined to keep the "sacred documents" secret, what with them believeing in Mary Magdalene and all. And the whole idea that the Catholic Church would be screwed if the documents were published didn't make any sense either. Bible-thumpers aren't subject to fact, and all the evidence to the contrary won't ever change what they believe--look at the Mormons. And the part about Mary Magdalene being in Disney cartoons was just stupid. But overall it was an entertaining suspense novel and could make a good movie.
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Langdon is a brainiac, not a man-of-action. He's like Sherlock Holmes, deciphering clues, not flying Harrier jets. In both books, it actually takes some convincing for him to get involved (like James Spader in STARGATE or Kurt Russell in EXECUTIVE DECISION). If they could get Goldblum or Grant to tone down the fake stammering, they'd be good professorial types.
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Nov 15, 2004 5:25:27 AM CST
Harrison Ford type character? Um, how about....oooohhhh, I don'
by j-dizzle
I mean, duh, just duh.
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Nov 15, 2004 8:20:28 AM CST
Will it be as poorly written and researched as the book?
by rev_skarekroe
Because that's what I want. A movie based on a book that's so atrocious I couldn't slog my way through it. Will it have long, tedious minutes of exposition about things the author clearly hasn't properly researched, resulting in ludicrous statements presented as hard fact? That's what I like in a movie!
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Why does every naysayer sound like one catch phrase or alliterative sentence away from being Dr. Smith? I tell you what, provided your dictionary isn't running low, why don't you write out all your grievances about how horribly mangled all the facts have been by this book. Don't just start rambling on about how it's pure shit and how nothing is right and if everyone was just as smart as you are we would all kill Dan Brown for his assault on our frail sensibilities. I'm sick and tired of hearing how awful something is, but never why. The conservatives came out in force against "Fahrenheit 9/11" decrying it as propaganda and distortion. Not one of them actually went into why it was. None of them actually pinpointed things from the movie where Moore had lied. Except for a British writer(I think his name was Richard Chiles), but his nitpick turned out to be a distortion of what Moore actually said in the movie. Anyway I welcome all diatribes about what a poor man's history lesson this whole thing really is. Oh and I don't Tom Hanks in the role.
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Pretty much sums up the vast majority of fiction doesn't it? A great deal of the things Brown presents have a pretty firm basis in current Biblical theory, and they're used as a basis for the ensuing enents in the NOVEL. My copy says FICTION right on the spine.
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Nov 15, 2004 10:20:44 AM CST
Nic, get a fucking clue already. This is a movie website, not a
by minderbinder
Can't fucking believe that off-topic cunt hasn't been banned yet.
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Okay - I read this book after hearing all the raves. I didn't want to (for the same reason I never saw Titanic) - because with all the glowing comments I just couldn't get over my sneaking suspicion that it was pure pablum. Guess what? My first impression was right. The book read like a B-rate movie right from the get go. It through in a bunch of quasi-theological BS that was frankly, quite anti-Catholic. As an open-minded Catholic, I'm generally willing to entertain heresy as long as it's original and entertaining, but for god's sake this book was insipid.
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Nov 15, 2004 11:50:03 AM CST
DaVinci Code - horrible writing, horrible characters, atrocious
by tv casualty
... impossible to put down. no, I don't understand that either. And Hanks will be fine. PLEASE stop acting like the looks make or break a role. How many more times do AICN fanboys need to get drilled on this shit? You were wrong about Hugh Jackman, you'll be fucking wrong about this too. It's ACTING. Good actors - the looks don't matter. It's why Michael Keaton owned Batman. Have a little fucking faith.
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I've got the Gnostic texts. I've read "Holy Blood, Holy Grail". Hell, I've read the "Preacher" comics, in which Jesus' descendants are depicted as inbred retards. My criticism has nothing to do with any of that. It has to do with the fact that Sesame Street's "There's a Monster at the End of This Book" has more suspense, better characterization, and isn't filled with a lot of nonsense about the ubiquitous symbolism of Goddess worship, or how 5 million (!) witches executed by the Catholic Church.
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Read it in a couple hours and was decently done; a solid paperback thriller by any standards. If you want to quibble with the author's fictional framework, go read some biblical scholarship, you might learn something. Don't know any reason it should be a movie, though, other than the massive amounts of money it will make. Which, of course, means that it will be made immediately.
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The bulk of the (admittedly gonna be huge)audience for this "dumb flick pretending to be smart" will be middle-aged red-state Republicans. All my relatives love this book and they also love GWB. So There!
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Nov 15, 2004 12:17:38 PM CST
Hanky Panky in the most ridiculous book since "Mein Kampf". Whom
by salvatoregravano
What, no "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" movie yet? It's another idiotic comedy based on the "secret" of a small countryhole in France. Why not make "Rennes le Chateau, the true story", about a corrupt priest who sold masses illegally and a whole bunch of imbeciles looking for "historical mysteries" in there? Funnily enough, even though the scam site is in France, it's the British who made it so famous.
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I picked it up at a Penn Station (NY) newsstand, looking for a fun breezy read on the level of The Firm (Grisham) or Rising Sun (Crichton) for the commute to and fro from work. What I got instead was something so atrocious and amateurish, it makes John Grisham look like John Steinbeck. Bad, bad writing from something out of a '30's Black Mask magazine story. Worse, in fact, since Dashiell Hammet, a great writer, got his start at Black Mask.
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Are you always this angry? Good God. It's a freakin' NOVEL. Why are people in such a freakin' uproar over a NOVEL. It's a STORY. Relax.
... It's a shame they're starting with Da Vinci Code. Rather they had the balls to try Angels & Demons first. It would make a great movie.
... as for those who doubt Tom Hanks, why are people convinced this will be a hollywood-ized version? Hanks is not a traditional movie icon. He's played a gay lawyer with AIDS and his character in Private Ryan was jarringly against "type." How many truly awful movies has hanks made in the last 10-12 years to make anyone doubt him? It's not like he has Travolta's track record. -
isn't that the book is poorly researched, because hell, it's fiction, who cares. the problem is the soap-watching housewives and like-minded geniuses who take these type of books' "revelations" as, well, real revelations. given a choice, people will almost always rather believe that they have been let in on a secret of great importance, than that these secrets are hogwash. it upsets me from time to time too, but some people (ahem) might do well to learn how to point and laugh at the world without getting their panties in a bunch about it all.
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The DaVinci code is so fucking overrated. Like no one every thought DaVinci had hidden shit in his works or that Jesus had a kid with Mary Magdelene. Fuck, it's as boring as "The Walls of Jericho".
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I've given up on Tom Hanks...He's in everything these days and even though he isn't a bad choice I would have preferred a more interesting actor like Kevin Spacey who has a bit of an edge. My main worry though is Ron Howard- the guy can't direct action if his life depended on it. Nothing in RANSOM or THE MISSING is indicative of any creative or thrilling filmmaking, action-wise. Howard is great at leading up to climaxes, but he sucks at actually delivering them. I loved the DA VINCI code and I hope Howard can shoot it creatively not just relying on hand held cameras and Digital Video...The french cryptographer should be played by Audrey Tatou ("Amelie"). Her diminutive stature but pesky strong willed charm would go well with Hanks - there could be chemistry there. As for the French inspector, Jean Reno is too cliched a choice, go for someone like Daniel Auteuil. Or who knows maybe cast a former huge star like Jean Paul Belmondo or Alain Delon - would be a nice homage to french new ave detectives they once used to play.
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as for the whole michael moore thing, if you sincerely believe that nobody came out with specific reasons why michael moore is full of shit, besides some guy in england, it can only be because you weren't looking. but to keep things on the subject at hand, here's one article (and yes, there are many more) about some of the problems with the secrets revealed in the davinci code: http://www.skeptic.com/davincicode.html .
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Catwoman level of dumb. This could sink this movie, ya know? As I read the book I pictured (gasp) Hugh jackman in the lead role. A younger harrison ford is what we need!
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I'm a fan of Tom Hanks. Not an everything-he's-done-is-insanely-ccol fan, but overall I respect him as an actor. He's acted against type several times, including roles in "Philadelphia" and "Saving Private Ryan," as well as my favorite role of all time for him as Michael Sullivan in "Road to Perdition." I know many people on this site will disagree with my feeling about that movie, which is all right with me, but I think Hanks will outperform most people's expectations in "The Da Vinci Code." Too bad Ron Howard is directing the film, but maybe he'll surprise me.
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well, if you're going to confuse a simple critique of a novel's historical research as a right-wing agenda, there's really not much more i can do to convince you that these reasons are "authentically verifiable". if i don't believe that jesus was black, does that make me a right-wing bigot?
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it's also worth mentioning, only since you referred to the article as the "virulent opinions of the right wing", that the site where i found that article is primarily concerned with the honest pursuit of science and debunking less-than-honest proponents of fringe theories, and has nothing at all to do with politics. if you think it's a forum for the virulent opinions of the right wing, you may want to read some of its articles about creationism and intelligent design.
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Nov 15, 2004 6:23:18 PM CST
NICOLE 21 needs to get the fuck off of Michael Moore's nuts
by scytheofluna
All you ever say is Michael Moore this and Michael Moore that. And never a word as to what exactly it is that he has done that's so wrong. I have called you out on this issue several times and you conveniently neglect to respond each and every time. Not once have I heard a convincing argument as to what exactly he has done that's so abhorrant. Michael Moore criticized our administration for it's failures in foreign and domestic policy. He harrasses companies that mistreat thier employees, and he embarrasses H.M.O's who refuse to treat patients if they can save money by letting them die. Yeah, what a traitor. He is really worthy of public ridicule. Our media isn't doing it's job and in most cases panders to the right wing evangelical christian base. So yeah, for someone who get's thier news from FOX someone like Moore may come off as a bit extreme, (lucidity can seem like intoxication if you have been brainwashed for an extended period of time). Michael Moore, isn't the problem. The problem is that our whole country has been suckered into believing one lie after another, one soundbyte after another. If you stacked up all the bullshit and lies and spin on network and cable news stations against the minimal amount of creative editing in Moore's work, network and cable news wins' the bullshit crown hands down. So shut the fuck up about Michael Moore. If this country wasn't so screwed up Michael Moore would be out of a job (and happily, I might add). He hate's America so much that he recruited young people from all over the country to document election fraud and voter intimidation during the Nov 2 vote. Yeah, he's up there with Bin Laden in the "hate's america" category. Hmmmm... speaking of Bin Laden, what the fuck ever happened to that guy? And you people can't figure out why Moore criticized the president. 3 years later and they still haven't caught that fucker. They are too busy changing the names of government agencies and pissing off our allies to get the job done, and all of you idiots were so easily distracted with the gay marriage and stem cell issues to realize that our leadership is dooming our nation to one of two disasterous eventualities: isolationism, or colonialism. But that's okay, let's blame Michael Moore for everything, it's so much easier than having to think. Fucking SHEEP. So shut the fuck up about Michael Moore. Half of his appeal is that he pisses you conservatives off. He get's your blood rushing and we just love it.
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Thanks for the link to the article, but I have to ask after reading it, what the hell are we arguing about? I'm sure there are some people out there that think that absolutely everything in the book is the secret truth, but most of it is just an amalgamation of interesting theories that religious scholars have bandied about for some time. As for the 9-11 thing, he was an englishman that lives in America, not a guy in England. I watched countless hours of cable news networks, read numerous articles from multiple sources and political opinions and yes, that was the only man who could really point to something in the movie and call foul. Believe me, I was looking. I was going to see the movie a second time and I wanted as much information as I could get my hands on to take the film apart piece by piece and see if I was being lied to. I was adamant about there being nothing in the movie that could be questioned after the firestorm over "Bowling For Columbine" because if liberals have the better position then we shouldn't have to lie or twist anything around. Anyway, thats all the ranting i'm doing today.
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Nov 15, 2004 8:29:50 PM CST
'Polar Distress' Derails Bush-Hating Millionaire Bing
by moore_and_harry
'Polar Distress' Derails Bush-Hating Millionaire Bing
Anyone with any sense knows the makers of the unpleasant children's movie "Polar Express" were foolish to unload it just days after the release of the excellent, can't-miss animated hit "The Incredibles." But some in Tinseltown seem eager to lose money.
The good news about the failure of "Polar Express," already being nicknamed "Polar Distress," is that it's hurting Bush-bashing fat cat Steve Bing, one of those left-wing tycoons who tried to buy the presidential election for John Kerry. Bing put up half the money for "Polar Distress" (the rest came from the Democrat media leviathan Time Warner) and squandered $14 million to try to defeat the president.
The movie cost $170 million to make and $125 million to distribute and market, the Wall Street Journal reported today. It has brought in only $31 million so far, compared with $144 million for the deserving "Incredibles."
More fun facts about ding-a-ling Bing: Fellow Bush-hating leftist Sean Penn is suing him. Penn claims producer Bing blacklisted him after that little photo op in Baghdad to support genocidal maniac Saddam Hussein.
Note to "Polar Distress" star Tom Hanks, reeling from flop No. 3 this year and scheduled to appear in the Catholic-bashing "Da Vinci Code": Audiences prefer you when you speak your lines and do not like you when you shout your lines.....
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/11/15/125344.shtml
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Nov 15, 2004 9:13:22 PM CST
Scytheofluna: "So shut the fuck up about Michael Moore. Half of
by triumph poops!
LMAO. What a goon. You know what we conservatives LOVE about Michael Moore? All his shrieking and posturing and finger pointing is one big lie, amounts to total shit, the man is a lightning rod that divides people emotionally, and he's a sack of shit piece of human who makes money off the pain of others and doesn't think twice about it. The result: every time Moore opens his overly bloated worthless mouth, he stirs up people's feelings and hands Republicans elections -- like this last one. So you root on a cocksucker like Moore, Scytheofluna. Speaking as a proud neocon, you're welcome to Mr. Fat Ass and you're welcome to trot him out as much as you like. Just means more states going Red and more election wins for us every time you do.
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I think it is.
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I dont care about Langdon, it was the French girl, the one with everything to find, shes supposed to be beautiful and exotic, and Jesus's only living survivor, and I think we get to see her naked right!!!! Forty year old guy for Langdon, I dont know, who is forty and looks like a teacher in the movies, there has to be someone better than Hanks, but he has clout and if he wants to do it, the part will go to him, I dont know, how old is Tom Cruise? Maybe they could do the gray hair thing from that summer movie he did and make him nerdy with some glasses. HOW BOUT THAT!???
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Nov 16, 2004 3:06:05 AM CST
"This is a movie website, not a whine about politics website?"
by j-dizzle
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh man, that was funny. That it so rich considering how much crap this website has been through during the past two months.
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Nov 16, 2004 3:09:06 AM CST
"So shut the fuck up about Michael Moore. Half of his appeal is
by j-dizzle
I guess the same could be said about George Bush and the liberals.
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Is there a bigger cult on Earth than the Catholic church and it's blind as a mole followers? I am always shocked and amazed at how much absolute bullshit you people will swallow as your priests scoop it into your mouths in giant shovel fulls.***What was the Holy Grail? I don't think we'll ever really know. What we do know is 1000s of Templar Knights were murdered by the "holy" Roman church defending the Grail, whatever the hell it was. It wasn't a magic cup, and only fucktard Catholics and voodoo priests believe in bullshit like magic relics anyway. Crackers that turn into Jesus anyone? **roll eyes** So if it wasn't a magic cup then what the hell was it? European Royal geneaologies suggest the Grail was the descendants of Christ himself. This just has to be bullshit too and is an obvious powerplay by the ancient Royals who were in a constant struggle with the Holy Oppressors for control of Europe. So again, what was worth the lives of 1000s of Templar Knights to protect? No one really knows, but it was worth murdering people for millenia to the Popeheads and burning countless numbers of documents that went contrary to what became popular Catholic teachings. Where there's smoke there's fire? Something important did happen, and the church has spent a lot of time, energy, and innocent lives in an attempt to cover it up. I wish the anti-matter bomb in Angels & Demons had disintegrated the Vatican in real life, that place was built over the graves of the millions of people those godless fucks murdered all for the love of power and gold. If Jesus is real then he surely abandoned Rome centuries ago.
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I loved Da Vinci Code. I love Tom Hanks. However, they are not two great tastes that taste great together. Robert Langdon is supposed to be a modern day Indiana Jones. He's an intellectual, a professor, and a lover of art, but he's got the body of an Olympic swimmer and can survive a several-thousand foot jump from a helicoptor into the ocean below. Tom Hanks is too pudgy and pasty to be a modern Indiana Jones. I vote Viggo!
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Nov 16, 2004 8:23:19 AM CST
So now this TB is onto Polar Express (and yet more politics)? W
by minderbinder
There IS a PE talkback, you know. And the election is over, fucking let it go already.
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Neo-con? Sounds a little bit like the term neo-nezi to me. Nobody wanted Bush to win re-election more than me. Four more years of Iraq, Recession, High Deficits and a reversal of Roe V. Wade will create such a backlash against the far-right that you'll never hear from these conservative pussies again in 20 years. If Kerry got elected, we wouldn't have had gotten this oppourtunity to watch the republican party implode over the next couple years. Recently, I've been busy with operations over here in the sandbox, you may have seen some of it on the news. Hard to think that in 4 years this war will be over. I wonder, in how many years are we going to have a draft? Two? Three? We don't have enough troops in Iraq as it is now so imagine the situation two to three years from now. To win this war, you neo-connies will have to institute a draft. If you don't have a draft and Bush keeps up his same strategy of pissing off our allies and pushing away the UN, we will be forced t dramatically reduce our troop presence in Iraq and lose the war. Remember that the last president to lose the war, Richard Nixon, was also a republican.
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I agree that Viggo Mortensen is an ideal choice. Other than that, I think Spielberg and Lucas should have reworked the Da Vinci Code into the fourth Indiana Jones film... or ask Dan Brown to come up with a plot for it.
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He's had a better string of hits lately starting with The Rookie and ending with The Day After Tomorrow. And besides, Robert Langdon is described as a decent looking guy, and he has to be believable enough to have a beautiful younger woman like Sophie to fall for him. The good choices whould have been Dennis Quaid, George Clooney, and Russel Crowe.
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Nov 16, 2004 12:57:04 PM CST
And to brag about how fast you read the book is stupid. It's ext
by mr. profit
I read the bulk of it on a bus going upstate stuck in traffic on the Thruway. And I finished it on the 2 hour ride home. It's pretty simple, and plays out like an Episode of Alias. Which brings me to the question, did anyone not envision Sydney Bristow when they described Sophie?
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And once again a conservative sheep makes grand declarations about Michael Moore's "lies" with fuck all to back it up. He profits from the suffering of others? When? When and where exactly did Michael Moore profit from the suffering of others? Supply some proof fuckwit. And go ahead and brag about the whole country going red. Funny, the brits wore red during the revoloution, the nazi's were also fond of red, and ironically the "reds" were those pinko commies you repub's detest so much. Go ahead though, turn the whole country red, moron. Anybody who isn't an inbred idiot won't want to live in your "waltons era", america anyway. Bush is a puppet of the evangelical christian right so we can expect 4 moronic years of him doing their bidding. When Rowe Vs. Wade gets overturned, and fetuses start showing up in inner city dumpsters and they start prosecuting confused teenage girls for terminating unwanted pregnancies I hope you will all feel satisfied that you have imposed your will upon the world. Oh and when somebody finally nukes us because our heavy handed foreign policy has made an enemy out of every nation on earth, I will be very interested to hear how it was all Michael Moore's fault. Oh and maybe everyone who happens to be homosexual might just want to head north because "freedom and justice for all" obviously doesn't apply to them. And if you want to talk about liars pal, how about your own pathological liar Bill O'Reilly and his recent little harrassment scandal, or Limbaugh with his hypocritical codiene addiction or Bob Novak revealing the name of an undercover operative(by definition he's a traitor). I think those guys in the mainstream misinformation circuit are a far greater danger to our nation than anything Moore has done, so look to your own before you try to talk out of your ass. Fortunately, I don't have any children to subject to the new creationism lesson plan that our public school systems can look forward to. But hey, who cares right? As long as they read well enough to thumb through the good old bible, they won't need any exposure to actual history or culture. Fucking backwater idiots. You get your news from Fox soundbytes and your morality from child molesting priests, it's no wonder you're all so fucking clueless.
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It is just not true that the Christian vote put Bush in office. From what I've read the "morals vote", as they've been calling it, made up at best about 22% of the totals on BOTH sides. It is also just plain wrong to call religious people morons and such just because they believe in religion. Most people in the world have historically believed in and practiced religion of some sort. Many of our most brilliant and celebrated minds from the past were in fact religious. Were they morons too? Do you believe it was wrong for FDR and Churchill to pray together and seek Diving wisdom when they met to discuss strategy during WWII Jimmy Carter is a big time born again Christian, would you lump him in with the people you have been demonizing? I got your back when it comes to mindless religious people who follow like sheep, but it is really unfair of you to defame all religious people just because they are religious. How many people do you know and love that are religious? Are they the disgusting turds you've been describing? I am not religious myself but I recognize that religious people are not stupid mindless morons for the most part. I know you're angry about the election but there were a lot of other more important factors that lead to the Kerry loss.
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Nov 16, 2004 9:13:15 PM CST
Uh actually the "moral" issues being homosexual marriage and ste
by scytheofluna
Those were the only morons I am speaking of. The fundamentalists. Many moderate christians and people of faith have an enlightened viewpoint on these issues, but anybody who is going to vote based on their opinion of what others do in their bedrooms is a moron. It's a simple as that. My previous posts were primarily directed at NICOLE 21, so if anyone was harmed or offended in the crossfire, I apologize. I have mentioned before that I think religion CAN do great things in society. People allow their religion and their own personal hangups to cloud their judgement though and when they try to impose these views on others I have a problem(as Bush has continuously done). Hypocrisy is a big problem in our nations religious circles as well. (especially in light of a recent study that indicated that the divorce rates are actually higher in so called "god fearing red states" than in the "fag filled blue states") So all of the shit they spout about the sanctity of marriage is exactly that. Shit. The problem is that these people listen to Jerry Fallwell, and Pat Robertson instead of intelligent people of faith like Bishop Desmond Tutu. And please don't mistake me for a die hard Kerry supporter. I'm a libertarian, and I am well aware of the shortcomings of the democrats. Regardless of Kerry's failings in the election, the idea of a bunch of right wing funamentalists running my country into the ground doesn't sit well with me. Bush is a fucking crook, and his cartel are doing everything they can to push thier narrow agenda. Honestly I think most christians are just trying to live their lives and more power to them. This is america after all. It's when they try to impose their views the rest of us that I have a problem. Religion is supposed to be born out of love, compassion, and understanding, not bigotry, superstition, and ignorance. Faith is good, but if you ignore scientific facts you are a moron, and I can't make any apologies for that.
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Nov 16, 2004 9:37:14 PM CST
and that was supposed to be fundamentalists, not funamentalists
by scytheofluna
though funamentalists might be more fun
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(That still cracks me up. Definitely one of the ballsiest monikers I have seen)...one other thing I neglected to emphasize is that my anger and frustration in all of this is that we are a nation of equality, or we're supposed to be anyway, and there are dozens if not hundreds of religions that exist within our borders, only one gets seats on the supreme court. It doesn't say "In Buddha we trust" on our currency, and they aren't going to be funding any Wiccan covens or tribal religions with those "faith based initiatives". That's why I'm angry. Religion is too broad a thing to allow it to be directly involved with our nations political future or current policy. Unless they are going to add Allah, Buddha,Gaia,Krishna,Vishnu,Thor,Isis,Zeus and every other deity concievable and insert a monolith representing every faith next to the ten commandments, the adult, just, and american thing to do would be to keep church and state seperate. Go figure, the forefathers got that one right! Obviously a persons choice in faith will affect their morality, but morality in many ways cannot be dictated to others. I believe that there is a basic human morality shared in nearly every truly benign faith across the world and the religions that actually stick to these basic moral guidelines are the ones I tend to relate to. I will take the Dalai Lama over the pope any day of the week, but then the afore mentioned Desmond Tutu is an equally benign, admirable, individual because he actually practices, and he practices his faith without judgement or prejudice. He fought for the freedom of his nation with his faith, and anyone with a brain would admire that. Most of the worlds problems begin when people get caught up in cemantics or petty quarrels about who's deity could kick the other's ass or which people were chosen for which stretch of barren desert. No one ever considers that it's all a big test of cultural and social character and it all winds up in a bloodbath. Sorry but that kind of shit is just stupid. God (whatever form people choose to view him/her/it/ in)would not approve of such ventures if such an entity or entities existed. War and faith are not things that should go hand and hand and when religion causes someone to kill, or to hate their neighbour for being gay, or to subjegate women, I am going to call them on it. ESPECIALLY if they preach peace, compassion, and claim not to judge. Honest people who are peaceful,non-judgemental, and who realize that the world doesn't have to submit to their singular vision of things have nothing but my respect and social cooperation. Only the hypocrite need fear my sarcastic tongue. Nicole 21 (a christian) called another woman a "stupid bitch" in one of these threads, and made various offensive comments about pagan and new age religions (some involving a vagina). Aside from the fact that many of these so called new age religions predate christianity by nearly a millenium and the fact that christianity is actually quite derrivitave of many of the traditions from sects that it later demonized or erradicated, it's just bullshit hypocrisy when people can't even abide by the rules of their own faith like Ms. Nicole 21(gee if she was 21 that might explain her relative naivetee). They are real quick to insist what others should do or not do with their own lives and yet they can't follow a simple reed like "judge not lest ye be a total fucking hypocrite". That is very typical of the mindset I see across the midwest and south of our country. When I see people with "jesus fish" decals on their cars using the words fag, jew and nigger in the 21st century in what is supposed to be a civilized democracy I can't feel too fucking sorry for them or secure about the direction my nation is heading in. I just can't feel any kind of kinship or bond with countrymen like that. Many of them just don't want to be enlightened or educated and I can't concieve of such a mindset. I feel especially sorry for the folks like my dad who believe in what Jesus said but despise the church and their propaganda and are ashamed to be associated with those people. Sorry to everyone else for posting such a rant, but I am a complete believer in equality for all people, and Hairy Nutsack percieved me as a bit of a bigot. In all fairness an honest mistake. I wasn't being particularly nice, though I think the rest of us have been a little too nice for too long and allowed some very dangerous thinking to permeate our political institutions. Our "democracy" is starting to fail to meet the standards to fit the definition of that word. I just wanted to clarify that specific persons in these boards have taken every possibility to spread their hateful, condescending, narrow minded funk everywhere they go, calling people names, and just generally behaving like social degenerates, with no regard to those around them. Bad apples giving the whole right wing conservative christian populace a bad name Fuck those particular right wing nutjobs Cannibal Nun, Nicole 21, Frododies-all of them. You can't even stick to your own rulebook (wow you finished one entire book) so why the fuck should anybody acknowledge anything you say as anything other than hot air? Thank you for prompting that Mr. Nutsack, I certainly don't want to be percieved as a bigot. I'm a libertarian who doesn't want his democracy to answer to the vattican or to have our infantile president to kickstart the rapture with endless war.
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You and I need to get together for some beers some time. You're my new talkback hero.
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I applaud you Luna, you have shown yourself to be a man of honor.***I'd like to expand on some of our topics if I may. You have thrown a lot of negative jabs at people that do not believe in gay marriage or abortion and pretty much laid it at the table of religious bigotry. I gotta tell you that I do not believe in gay marriage or abortion and while my life has certainly been influenced by a religious upbringing I also have come to my conclusions on these matters for my own reasons and as I said before I now despise organized religion of any variety.***Gay Marriage- I strongly believe in equal rights for everyone, our laws demand equal protection under the law and I have no issues with the idea of Gay Unions, no issue at all. At the same time I believe it is important that we maintain that Marriage be defined as a union between a man and a woman. Why would it be so wrong to refer to Gay Unions by another word than Marriage? They are not the same thing and therefore should not be defined as the same thing just as Gays and Straights are defined differently, and should be. I also believe that the traditional family unit is something people should stop fucking with. Children do need a strong male AND female role model in their lives and no responsible child psycologist would suggest otherwise. At the same time I do believe that a child is better off in a Gay home than stuck in some shitty orphanage or foster home. Mom and Dad is BEST for kids, but Gays do have something to offer children as well. I also strongly believe that each State should make its own decision about this issue, and I'm surprised a Libertarian wouldn't support that as well, LOL.***Abortion- Roe V. Wade is bad law, just like Gay Unions, States should have control over this issue period. It is just stupid that the Feds ever got involved with abortion. All issues that have moral components should be dealt with at smaller more local levels where the morals of the individuals within those areas come into play. Asking the Feds to legislate morality about any issue whatsoever is just plain ridiculous. There are simply too many people in this country with different views to ask that the Feds decide what is morally right for everyone. The States handled abortion before Roe V. Wade and it should have stayed that way.
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that someone as talented as Spielberg could make me sick of an actor as versatile as Hanks. But he did.
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Ralph Fiennes should play Langdon. Hanks is not the intellectual/professorial type. By the way this book is full of errors, bad research and possibly the worst ending in fiction literature today. I did enjoy it inspite of all the erros and it's blatant Catholic - bashing.
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As far as the sanctity of marriage thing goes I think that people forget that the origins of marriage had little to do with love, honour and devotion, and more to do with the transfer of property and assets. All things as they are, the feds need to stay the hell out of it.
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Beer's good. I could actually go for one of those right now... MMMM Tequiza....
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Nov 17, 2004 3:59:35 PM CST
President Bush proves once and for all that any monkey CAN'T run
by lost skeleton
Nicole21, I will give it to you...you are a true believer...That said, the only people I know who loved DVC are red-state Republicans.
Plus, all the morons in this country voted for Monkey-Boy (I hardly believe that Alabama and Mississippi are the havens of intellectual discourse.) Anyway, most conservatives, including Monkey-Boy, brag that they never read the newspaper. Plus, you morons won so why are you still complaining about Michael Moore? -
Nov 18, 2004 8:48:23 AM CST
I dunno about you guys, but I prefer a President that doesn't be
by mr. profit
I'm just saying.
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