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X3!! SUPERMAN!! ANGEL!! FAITH!! SERENITY!! Herc Reports On The Whedon Kerry Fundraiser!!

Published at:  Oct 24, 2004 9:49:06 PM CDT

SPOILER ALERT !!

Just got back from the big “High Stakes: Whedon Fans For Kerry-Edwards” rally in Hollywood, with bits of exciting and less-than-exciting news:

* Joss told the world he will not be writing and directing “X3.” “After looking deep into my heart,” he confessed to thousands over a conference call, “I realized that Fox did not ask me to write and direct ‘X3’.”

* I asked Joss about the fake-sounding rumors suggesting that the WB wants to revive the “Angel” series. He said no one has contacted him about it.

* Joss said he is "salivating" to do a "Faith" spinoff series if Eliza Dushku wants to. Dushku, who played the angry slayer on "Buffy" and "Angel," recently said publicly she believed Fox had finally cancelled her most recent starring vehicle, "Tru Calling."

* Joss related that in "Serenity," we rejoin the crew several months after the events of the "Firefly" series, but that the movie actually begins before the events of the "Firefly" pilot, if you care to wrap your head around that.

* Joss told the telephonically assembled that he was at work on a spec feature that has nothing to do with anything he or anyone else had ever done before. He told a few gathered fans afterward that the resulting motion picture would incorporate sci-fi, fantasy, action, horror, drama, comedy and several other genres I no longer remember.

* Someone asked Joss if he'd make Wolverine wear yellow spandex in any "X-Men" movie he'd direct in the future. Joss assured all assembled that the yellow-spandex look was good for the comics but would not work in a movie.

* I got to harass the even-cuter-in-real-life, smiley and very pregnant (and shockingly tall!) Amy Acker, who, contrary to rumor, says she has never auditioned to play Lois Lane in the next “Superman” movie (but would like Bryan Singer and Warner Bros. to know she'd very much like to).

* I got all slack-jawed and weak-kneed and girly in front of a short-haired and also very smiley Alyson Hannigan, but managed to ask if she was moving next into features or more TV development (her pilot wasn’t picked up last May). She said features, but seemed uncertain at this point which feature she’d pursue.

* Ran into the very cool Danny Strong at the CineSpace bar. Danny, who’s already played Rory’s editor at the Yale Daily News in four “Gilmore Girls” installments, says he’ll be appearing at least twice more on the show this season. He's also completed an indie feature, "Veritas, The Prince of Truth," which hasn't yet attracted a distributor.

* I ran into Tom Lenk, looking very hobbity these days, in the CineSpace men’s room, where he was up to something. I’m not sure I’m comfortable relating the whole story, but it ends with Tom telling me I didn’t have “the right tattoo.”

* For the talkbacker who asked, I saw Nick Brendon there, but I didn't get to bother him. All I can tell you is his hair is really short. Andy Hallett did not come.

I sound just like Kristin over at E!, yes? This, of course, this is just what I remember at the moment. Keep watching the High Stakes website. My understanding is that at some point people will be able to call a number and hear for themselves the conference call in its entirety. (You don't want to miss Joss' theory as to why Sunnydale County probably voted Republican.)

Finally, I just want to reiterate something I think I said after the “Buffy Bash” last year: Joss Whedon’s fans are the best-looking people not working fashion runaways in New York or Paris. One hot fan after another. And they’re smart and nice and cool too! Study up on those “Buffy,” “Angel” and “Firefly” DVDs, boys. You are losing access to some quality genetics!

I am – Hercules!!









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  • Oct 24, 2004 9:52:03 PM CDT

    A Faith spin-off?

    by voice o. reason

    Sorry, but that ship already sailed.

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  • Oct 24, 2004 9:52:38 PM CDT

    Good report Herc

    by renonevada2000

    No real partisian talk. Too bad we can't say the same for the talkbacks to follow...

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  • Oct 24, 2004 9:59:12 PM CDT

    Thanks Herc!

    by willowy

    Now I'm all curious about Lenk in the men's room... ew.

    Great report. I've been on another site for hours and the folks there have been doing some great reporting too, with pics even. Glad to see another bash you hosted went well.

    Funny, never pictured Amy Acker as tall...

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  • Oct 24, 2004 10:01:21 PM CDT

    No X and No Bush

    by dr farragammo


    Yay no Xmen from Jossie.
    I REALLY did not want him doing that. Let's just hope they don't get a little lord fuckpants like the douche that did daredevil and is currently ruining Ghost Rider.
    Vote Kerry!! hahahahaha.

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  • Oct 24, 2004 10:03:28 PM CDT

    No Whedon on X3

    by fabfunk

    Thank god. Now they can go for a very DIFFERENT choice. I'm all for a foreign taste to the X films. May i request Jean Pierre Jeunet, Takashi Miike or Juan Carlos Fresnadillo???

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  • Oct 24, 2004 10:04:38 PM CDT

    Faith...

    by treadhead

    Everybody chant now-- FAITH, FAITH, FAITH...! Come on, if enough of us make some noise, it could still happen. Just don't put it on Fox....

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  • Oct 24, 2004 10:10:02 PM CDT

    FAITH FAITH FAITH

    by oh_riginal

    I always felt disappointed that Eliza Dushku went with Tru Calling over the Faith spinoff. I just hope she has a change of heart with Tru Calling being cancelled and gets back into Faith mode. She plays that character perfectly, and it wouldn't be hard to make a show out of that character at all.

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  • Oct 24, 2004 10:10:45 PM CDT

    I dig Dusku, but a Faith series won't fly--how many randy sarcas

    by frankdrebin

    The network (WB or Fox) would want to make her "likeable" and "vulnerable", which would make her the Anti-Faith.

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  • Oct 24, 2004 10:17:35 PM CDT

    Let This Kind of Talk Continue

    by castaway

    Here's one Republican slimeball who will keep the non-partisan talk continuing. I would have been a little conflicted had Joss gotten the chance to do an X-film. I tried to watch one episode of Buffy and didn't really enjoy it all that well, I'm willing to give other episodes a try. I will give Joss Whedon's new movie "Serenity" a chance when it comes out next February. Does anybody think that porn star named Serenity will sue over copyright infringement? I have heard that Alex Proyas might direct the third X-Men and I think I'm more interested in seeing that (I fucking loved The Crow and Dark City). See you bitches in the ballot boxes this November 2nd. Vote for.......whomever the hell you want.

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  • Oct 24, 2004 10:18:00 PM CDT

    Lois Lane... Amy Acker...

    by oh_riginal

  • Oct 24, 2004 10:18:43 PM CDT

    Lois Lane... Amy Acker...

    by oh_riginal

    Sure, I can see it, why not.

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  • Oct 24, 2004 10:34:04 PM CDT

    A Faith Series ... it'd be nice ...

    by theaflacduck

    but for some reason I think Voice O Reason is right on this one. & that'd really too bad ... we could have been into the second season of a Faith Series if Eliza didn't locked into the whole Tru Calling shite. I'd like to see them go ahead with Faith ... but I doubt it.

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  • Oct 24, 2004 10:39:24 PM CDT

    Nicky Brendon & Andy Hallet

    by dyslexicheart

    If Nicky was at this event how did he look? I haven't heard much about his recovery lately. And Andy Hallet was really sick last I heard. I hope they are both doing better.

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  • Oct 24, 2004 10:42:36 PM CDT

    Ah Well

    by alwaysthere

    Now I hope that Alex Proyas gets a shot at directing it. The man made the incredible I, Robot and Dark City.

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  • Maybe polish up that Firefly movie? A Faith series might be interesting, but I'd rather he throw the dice and start an entirely new show. Fox might be swayed by the Firefly DVD sales. Well, off to disenfranchise some swing state minority voters with the ray-o-disenfranchisment...

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  • Oct 24, 2004 10:54:53 PM CDT

    write AND direct?

    by burlivesleftnut

    Does this mean they just want him to direct but not write? Did he specify?

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  • Oct 24, 2004 11:13:01 PM CDT

    The more I think of a Miike directed X-Men...

    by blacklist

    ...the more I think he should instead do a Yakuza X-Men and release it at the same time as X3. I'm completely ambivalent to who directs X3. Remember what a masterpiece of economy the X2 script was. Could that kind of success be repeated with a new crew? And would they honor Singer's vision? For safety's sake, I won't get my hopes up. Especially if Joel Schumacher starts eyeing X3.

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  • Oct 24, 2004 11:49:01 PM CDT

    Nick Brendon Looked Very Well

    by r_nathan

    Nick Brendon looked fine. He said it was five months since he'd had a drink, and he was feeling great. He said he hoped to do a sitcom next. - On another topic, in answer to a question on the final episode of "Angel," Joss, joking, said Gunn died, Spike got the (damn - I can't remember the name of that prophecy thing about a vampire turning human), Angel would have lost an arm, and Xander would have lost his other eye, even though Sander wasn't even in the show. Another answer I liked was Joss's response to how Spike would have voted in the election. Joss said it was difficult because Spike has a soul now so he's got decent intincts, but he also loves to fight, and he's pissed off and disappointed in humanity, so Joss wasn't sure how we would vote - but maybe for Nader.

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  • Oct 24, 2004 11:57:36 PM CDT

    Gotta have Faith!!

    by zathras34

    Yeah I know, old cliche on the name...But it so fits..There is so much they could do with that.

    I could even see The principal wood character being on it,as kind of the "Alfed" to her Batman.

    They know how to go head to head with each other,with no quarter given....(verbaly and physicly)as what was shown in the last ep of buffy...mutual admiration...

    Traveling all over..the world...running ito big baddies along the way...while sometimes running into different slayers..

    Anyway..thats my opinion..

    Peace

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  • Oct 25, 2004 12:00:36 AM CDT

    The continuation of the Whedonverse....

    by trik

    or: "Life and Undeath After the Alley" --- I could see a series based in LA after the events in the Angel finale. --- A dark demon infested shattered battle ground that needs to be retaken. --- But! who survived the alley? --- The rumor mill says DB isn't interested... so he's dusted. --- After Angel falls, Illyria scoops up an unconcious Gunn, grabs a still battling but faltering Spike, and flees. blah, blah, blah (I got a lot of filler but not posting it here) blah, blah, blah. --- On the other side of the world Willow realizes what is happening and alerts the scoobies and slayeretts. ---- more blah, blah, blah. --- Buffy decides to focus on training slayers and rebuilding the watchers council. --- Faith says fuck that and goes out to avenge the only person who never gave up on her. --- Faith arrives in LA. blah, blah, blah. --- Faith meets up with Spike, who take her to where Illyria is leading the resistance against The Wolf, The Ram and The Hart. --- Faith and Illyria meet. Clash of personalities, battle of wills. blah, blah, blah. (The resistance lair: Gunn is still a mess, basically bedridden but concious. Able to listen and provide input. Spike is Spike. One or two new introductory new core chars) --- Illyria demands that all their efforts be focused on resurecting Wesley. --- Suprisenly, Faith agrees...... To Be Continued..... blah, blah, blah....

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  • Oct 25, 2004 12:24:36 AM CDT

    FAITH!!!

    by aboris26

    It would be a dream come true to have a Faith series. She is at the centre of some of the most gripping Buffy and Angel episodes. She really is completely different character from both Angel and Buffy, while Buffy is trying to find her place in the world, Angel is trying to atone for his previous sins. Faith on the other hand knows that there is no place in the world for her and that all she can do is fight to make up for what she has done.

    I would want the series to be one of three concepts 1. a nomadic slayer fighting various foes with Wood as her mentor/lover 2. A leader of the slayerettes, a more in-depth look at the role of the slayer on a large scale, with the inclusion of the new Watcher's council. Or lastly, my favorite, 3. A group of heroes, Faith (slayer), Spike(vampire), Illyira (demon), Willow (witch), Wood/Gunn (human), and Andrew (watcher), fighting a new birth of evil, from the removal of the Circle of the Torn and the worldwide slayerage, evil must balance good, the answer?? the old ones awake... A group series works well, Angel's initial problem was that there wasn't enough characters.

    Whether these actors want to dive back in is a major issue. To run the series, as Fury is now with the brilliant Lost, I would vote for Tim Minear, his work on Angel was some of the best in either series and Firefly was the most original and brilliant Sci-Fi show since Star Trek, and Wonderfalls was the most endearing and underappreciated show of last season.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 12:52:48 AM CDT

    Talkback on Desperate Housewives!!!!!!!

    by battousai

    Ohmygod! This show is hilarious! Just the scene with Carlos beating up the cable guy alone!
    Oh and for Gilmore Girls lovers, Julie is what Rory could have and should have been. Long live Housewives!!!!!!

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  • Oct 25, 2004 12:52:59 AM CDT

    not tall

    by eeterofwurldz

    Yay, I finally got to go to one of these things. I have to say though, I was very disappointed to find myself at a height disadvantage to most of the cast. J August: much taller than me. Nathan Fillion: also much taller. Even Fred... was nearly as tall as me... and man she looks short on that show. Joss Whedon, a tall man. But the deathstroke, the coup-de-gras, was Herc... another, very tall man. Snazzy dresser too.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 12:56:33 AM CDT

    FAITH and begorra!

    by robogeek.com

    And hopefully in leather. On a motorcycle. Wandering the earth. Kicking evil's ass. (I just wish Wes could be her Watcher again... though I suppose they could always do Ghost Wes.) Damn, I want this show!

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  • Oct 25, 2004 1:13:20 AM CDT

    EeterOfWurldz

    by docpazuzu

    Maybe you're just really short?

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  • Oct 25, 2004 1:23:50 AM CDT

    Mutant Enemy Closing Shop

    by dino7405

    Herc and talkbackers:

    Looks like there will NOT be a Faith spinoff, another Buffyverse show, or even another Joss Whedon show for a while. According to a new article in Variety, Whedon wants to take a break from TV for a while and 20th TV has agreed to accommodate his request (Whedon still has a little over a year left on his deal with 20th Century Fox TV). Whedon's reasons include: being tired of the current state of TV (the booming reality trend), wanting to spend more time with his family (his second child is due soon), and wanting to focus on feature films. So, that effectively closes Mutant Enemy productions, at least for the time being.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 1:31:18 AM CDT

    FAITH!!!

    by purduefan

    Please let this be true!!! I would die to see a Faith spinoff happen. Thank god FOX cancelled that waste of Eliza's talent Tru Calling.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 1:42:03 AM CDT

    I was expecting Amy to be tiny.

    by hercules

    When I was looking around to ask her about the (totally bogus) Lois Lane audition mentioned on Cinescape, somebody pointed to this really tall girl with her back to us. "What, is she behind that tall girl?" "No, that's Amy." (Alexis is a way bigger guy than you'd think too.)

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  • Oct 25, 2004 2:03:49 AM CDT

    Re: I was expecting Amy to be tiny

    by trik

    the imdb says she's 5'8". --- Wich is about 2 to 3 inches than she seems to be on the show. --- Was she in heels at the meet? --- She seems os tiny on the screen. --- Prolly due (in part) to her SF (skinyness factor) --- Trying to imagine her pregers. --- Little tiny thin woman with huge belly. Unsuspecting person walks up to her and says "Oh!, are you expecting soon?" AA: (in a totally demonic voice) "SOON! IT BETTER BE SOON! I'M 37 MONTHS PREGNANT!" *Takes bite out of Unsuspecting persons face* AA: "I NEED PROTIEN! IT'S FOR THE BEBE".

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  • Oct 25, 2004 2:13:27 AM CDT

    ASHLEE SIMPSON'S FUCKUP IS THE FUNNIES THING IN YEARS ON SNL BUT

    by purple rain

    I don't mind politics but her "performance" was made to be ripped apart on this site.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 2:17:35 AM CDT

    Ashlee Simpson

    by jon e cin

    Anyone have a link to her screwing up. I want to see it.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 2:18:15 AM CDT

    My party was better!

    by jon e cin

    ok so nobody showed up.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 2:27:09 AM CDT

    Jon E Cin

    by trik

    http://www.contemporaryinsanity.org/video/

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  • Oct 25, 2004 3:43:24 AM CDT

    ONCE AGAIN...FOR THE CHEAP SEATS... HOW ABOUT A SPIKE SERIES?

    by heymanniceshot

    The FAITH series ship sailed and Amy Acker should be Lois Lane.Rami also wants Miss E. to be BLACK CAT...take that for a post-Buffy career move Charisma Carpenter.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 8:59:56 AM CDT

    ROBIN TUNNEY TO BE LOIS?

    by stlfilmwire

    Could this be the reason that Robin is guest starring on the pilot episode of HOUSE MD? Hmmm...

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  • Oct 25, 2004 9:15:44 AM CDT

    Right on, Battousai! Desperate Housewives is actually damn good.

    by theaflacduck

    I've been enjoying Desperate Housewives as well ... but I guess with so many new shows and Herc being in control of what gets a talkback ... we'll just have to wait until there's some lesbionic kissing/sex action until we get an official DH talkback. heh.

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  • Flying cars, dammit, flying cars!!! And that whole vampire twin brother of a slayer thing wasn't really resolved. We waiting a fucking year to see the end of it, Joss, now make it into a series!!!! Not that I'm against a Faith series, mind you. ************************ The cancellation of Tru Calling is totally in character for FOX, which seems to hate Sci-Fi shows. Chris Carter kept insisting that X-Files wasn't really Sci-Fi, probably because he knew if the FOX execs ever thought it was that they'd cancel it. Personally, I think FOX doesn't just hate Sci-Fi, they hate Sci-Fi fans and insist on teasing them with cancelled and aborted shows. It doesn't help that most of those shows suck anyway, but when good stuff like Firefly gets cancelled you know it's because the network is run by tools.

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  • That paragraph seems to me to be self-explanatory. The movie takes place 6 months after the series. But the movie begins by showing stuff that happened before the series. That's called a prologue. It's a device used to give a brief history of events leading up to the story being told. Or, in other words, a way to bring the audience "up to speed". In this case the prologue will contain events that occured before Firefly's pilot. How is that difficult the understand? After all, it's not rocket science.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 10:06:38 AM CDT

    Keep it up Herc!

    by alimentum

    There's nothing wrong with getting your politics in my geek news or my chocolate in your peanut butter. Open discussion in always healthy . . . except when you're surrounded by folks who have nothing to contribute but angry complaints. I've really never seen the kind of inane negativity that I've read in the talkbacks to these Whedon-Kerry posts.

    If you're unhappy with the SLIGHTLY political nature of two or three (of the thousands) of posts on this site, don't read them, or better yet, start your own site, where you can rule over the nature of each and every post with the cold, iron fist of a dictator.

    If you're not a fan of Joss Whedon's work, write your own weekly show, feature film, or monthly comic. I'm sure it'll stack up. It can be all about the adventures of an angry talkbaker who fights creativity and open discussion with superpowered smacktalk and an astounding mastery of curse words.

    I'm sure several of you clever haters will be quick to point out the irony of me dissing you for being negative as being negative itself. But there, I just did it for you. The point is, it's okay to disagree, it's okay to express yourself, but to see the same talkbackers bitch and moan over and over again about every single post . . . you just have to wonder what's so bad in their lives that they can't stand to see the positive side of anything.

    And with that, I'm gone.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 10:30:50 AM CDT

    Yah well.....DB needs work too

    by judge briggs

    it's not like DB has much going on either... he's in the latest Crow movie for fuck sake. i would love to see Angel make a come back... one of the best shows ever and it totally left so much hanging. instead of Faith having her own series, it should be Spike who gets his own spin-off... he's way more interesting and funny. Fuck Charmed. Oh well, we at least have a full season of 4400 next year! if Herc puts Desperate Housewives on Aintitcool.... sigh, the world seriosuly will be coming to an end.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 12:59:53 PM CDT

    Marvel will probably go cheap on X3 and hire a director like the

    by mastershake

  • Oct 25, 2004 1:37:28 PM CDT

    YOU CONSERVATIVES ARE SUCH PUSSIES

    by bushsux

    I asked a reasonable and fair question several times on this site: If you support this war so much and it obviously needs more troops, WHY DON'T YOU ENLIST? I got no answers at all from you conservatives, none. All I got was a couple posts telling me the military usually votes republican. I'm in the military helping fight this war, I'm not voting republican. Many of my friends in the military are voting for Kerry. You conservatives are a bunch of spineless pussies.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 1:43:28 PM CDT

    LET'S PLAY FIND THE MISSING EXPLOSIVES!

    by bushsux

    This is a fucking joke of an administration. 380 tons of explosives have disappeared from a facility in Baghdad, a facility that this administration said was secured. If a CEO of a private company made an error like this, he or she would have been fired(unless it was Enron). Bush ran every private company he ever had into the ground and now he's doing the same to my country.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 2:02:53 PM CDT

    DocPazuzu

    by eeterofwurldz

    Are you calling me short? I eet wurldz dammit! Oh, and when Herc talks about hot Buffy fans, he means me.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 2:10:44 PM CDT

    Amy ...

    by skiffypup

    Is Hollywood 5'8" - which is to say, reality 5'6". One other thing ... she looked incredibly gorgeous in person, and not just for someone 7 months pregnant. HOT! Hot body, people. *ahem* BTW- I asked, and she revealed the baby is a boy. ( Congratulations in advance! )

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  • Oct 25, 2004 2:11:33 PM CDT

    I have an answer for you, bushsux

    by blacklist

    Did you support the human shields' cause in Iraq and Afghanistan? Do you support the Iraqi insurgency? What about a harzardous life-threatening job like firefighting? Do you think fires should be fought? If I find out you're not involved with any of these groups that you agree with, does that make you a hypocrite? On your behalf, I'd still say no, and that you would be consistant showing support for organizations of which you're not involved.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 2:31:15 PM CDT

    Would I be out of line saying...

    by kryptonslastson

    I hope that Bushsux has the opportunity to give his life for his country, so we finally get a break from his constant bitching? I thought not.... Shut your mouth and do your damned job, if you think Kerry being elected will get you out of military duty, have at it, sucker.....

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  • Oct 25, 2004 2:59:20 PM CDT

    ok, moviemack...

    by blacklist

    allow me to clarify: The war is dirty work, but it has to be done. An even better example that I didn't use, and should have, would be the police. Few people, aside from some kids who play Grand Theft Auto, are going to say that the police are a negative force in the country, though there is always the risk of an innocence man being shot (something that should always be condemned, but is sadly unavoidable) or a normal situation turning to shit really fast. Are you, moviemack, involved in the police force? My point in the previous post is that you *can* support organizations like the police or the war effort without being directly involved. If you think we can have a discussion, that would be great, considering this has been one the most venomous partisan election seasons ever. If not, prepare to duck my feces...

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  • And whoever also wanted to join. Faith alone can

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  • Oct 25, 2004 4:27:38 PM CDT

    he lied?

    by dr.bulber

    bored now.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 7:29:04 PM CDT

    Five By Five

    by anlashok

    My left nut would explode from my scrotum if I knew for certain a Faith series was in the works, yeah, I guess you could say I'm a fan.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 10:08:27 PM CDT

    Brando and Reeve lost... strangely in the same year.

    by flexfill

    "They're a great people, Kal-el; they wish to be. They simply lack the light to show the way...
    I give them you, my only son."

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  • Oct 25, 2004 11:36:18 PM CDT

    Moviemack, sorry about your borther...

    by kryptonslastson

    but unless he was drafted he knew what he was signing up for. So I mourn his loss, adn the fact that others use it as an excuse to demonize America.

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  • Oct 25, 2004 11:55:05 PM CDT

    WAY TO COP OUT, CONSERVATIVES

    by bushsux

    Way to answer the question guys! Again, I'll say it again, the conservatives are a bunch of hypocritical pussies. The National Guard missed it's recruiting goal by over 5,000 people. Obviously, the military is not going to get it's new troops from the ranks of the republican file. Too rich, too hypocritical, and too scared. That's okay, once Bush reinstates the draft you'll have no chance except to try to dodge it, just like he did. By the way, I don't want to get out of duty, I just want a competent President like John Kerry.

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  • to bushsux: you know that the only two pieces of legislation calling for a draft (one in the House, one in the Senate) were written by two Democrats, right? Ernest Hollings and Charles Rangel? And neither of them voted for their own bills. Somehow, Rock the Vote kept blaming Bush for these bills. The closest thing to a draft that either candidate has proposed was Kerry's plan to require two years mandatory community service for high school students. Accusing Bush of having a secret plan to reinstitute the draft probably won't make much of a difference in the 18-25 demo. But here's something that might shock you even more: did you know that Bush has a secret plan to kill all the people? Really. And then Halliburton will profit from that apparently. It makes so little sense that it actually makes perfect sense. Well, since the trolls can't be counted on to read and respond, I'll concede victory to the liberals on this thread. Besides, I'm running out of troll repellant. Get a job, hippie. Girls like jobs. And occasional showers.

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  • Oct 26, 2004 11:42:54 AM CDT

    It's a tie...

    by childe roland

    ...between bushsux and Blacklist for most potentially damaging to your political postion and credibility post with their little exchange. First, bushsux, to ask conservatives if they support the war in Iraq why they don't enlist is the equivalent of asking someone "If you love pizza why don't you marry it?" There may be thousands of perfectly legitimate reasons why a supporter of the war effort in Iraq wouldn't want to enlist and put his or her own life on the line (perhaps they see the war for what it is and believe it may eventually help the U.S. economically, but don't feel a potential future economic gain is worth risking their lives for). To keep asking the same stupid question in every talkback makes it sound like you've run out of perfectly good questions to ask (which, if you know anything about what's going on in the world, you most definitely should not have). So give it a rest, okay? And Blacklist, you are right that it's very possible to support local law enforcement without being a police officer. I do it all the time. I do it because the police respond to my 9-1-1 calls and protect and serve my person and property by enforcing the laws duly passed by our government. If we carry your analogy to the global level, America is not even trying to be the world police. If it were, it would be enforcing the decisions of the UN (which, to me, makes a whole lot of sense, actually) rather than ignoring them and taking matters into its own hands. What America is right now, in terms of your law enforcement analogy, is a drunken vigilante, attacking a suspect it was already mad at under false pretenses for a crime it didn't commit and it now justifies its vigilantism by pointing at other things the suspect did do. That wouldn't fly under the laws we use to govern our own society and it doesn't support your analogy at all. Sorry.

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  • Oct 26, 2004 1:21:42 PM CDT

    CAN A SCARED CONSERVATIVE GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER?

    by bushsux

    This war is supposed to be fought with an all-volunteer, as such, with the current shortage of soldiers and the current need for even more troops in Iraq, it is absolutely necessary that more Americans volunteer to fight this war. Yes, that also means the angry rich white guys from the suburbs too. They supported this war and still think it's a good idea, they should volunteer to fight in it too. That's a very reasonable thing to ask of an American, especially one who supports an unnecessary war.

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  • Oct 26, 2004 1:32:02 PM CDT

    MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE CONSERVATIVES

    by bushsux

    1) Why did the Bush administration lose 380 tons of explosives in Al Qaqaa? 2)Why did the Bush Administration try to cut combat pay from $225 to $150 in 2003? 3) Why did the Bush administration try to cut military separation allowance from $250 to $100 per soldier? 4) Why is the US Army pay scale about half that of the British Army? 5) Why is Bush cutting 540 staff members from the Veterans Benefit Administration?

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  • Oct 26, 2004 3:26:19 PM CDT

    ILLYRIA ILLYRIA ILLYRIA

    by snow scorpion

    Yes! Bring her back!

    I love her!!

    That is all.

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  • Oct 26, 2004 9:09:02 PM CDT

    Time to rename this site

    by bart of darkness

    Ain't It Joss News. The fact that he won't be doing X3 has made my day.

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  • Oct 26, 2004 9:25:02 PM CDT

    blacklist and child roland

    by dr farragammo


    First off blacklist you missed bushsux's point. He asked why so may republican hawks talk tough but don't enlist. NOT ONE of the republican right wing hawk brigade in power has served in the military. And NO powell doesn't count, because he was dragged kicking and screaming into thie shit, and is now being treated like Bush's stepandfetchit.
    Funny how you brought up the draft though blacklist, instead of talking about how more war supporters should join voluntarily instead of sitting on the sidelines. If there was a draft the whole country would demand W being run out of town on a rail. His support would dip to below 25% or more because it's fun to be a cheerleader for a war (and who better than W to know about cheerleaders), but quite another to fight for it. Which brings me to Childe Roland. I can see your point that hammering one note home doesn't encompass the whole picture but it raises another question. Why don't republicans send care packages, lobby to give soldiers their benefits back, deny their tax breaks and send their fund to military families who are struggling now that mom or dad has died? That, in my book, would be just as valiant as fighting the actual war, but the neocons like to play with their toy soldiers then throw them in the trash, and so do the mindwashed Dubya supporters.Remember when Sinclair wanted to ban the nightline honoring the dead in Iraq ?That was because it made the war look like another vietnam. So they tried to can it instead of honoring those who died for this president's stupidity.
    It just shows the empty lip service Bush supporters give to patriotism and supporting our troops when all they care about is getting enough foreign oil to fuel their stupid hummers and driving with their cell phone and acting like the obnoxious, shallow cliches they are.

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  • Oct 27, 2004 1:33:43 AM CDT

    Is a draft in the future no matter what Dubya says?

    by harrisonsdad

    If the administration is not going to reinstitute the draft, then why are they running ads like this one: . . . . Serve Your Community and the Nation Become a Selective Service System Local Board Member. The Selective Service System wants to hear from men and women in the community who might be willing to serve as members of a local draft board. Prospective Board Members must be citizens of the United States , at least 18 years old, and registered with the Selective Service (if male). Prospective Board Members may not be an employee of any law enforcement occupation, not be an active or retired member of the Armed Forces, and not have been convicted of any criminal offense. Once identified as qualified candidates for appointment, prospective Board Members are recommended by the Governor and appointed by the Director of Selective Service, who acts on behalf of the President in making appointments. Each new member receives 12 hours of initial training after appointment, followed by 4 hours of annual training for as long as he or she remains in the position. They may serve as Board Members for up to 20 years, if desired. Local Board Members are uncompensated volunteers who play an important community role closely connected with our Nation's defense. If a military draft becomes necessary, approximately 2,000 Local and Appeal Boards throughout America would decide which young men, who submit a claim, receive deferments, postponements or exemptions from military service, based on Federal guidelines. Positions are available in many communities across the Nation. If you believe you meet the standards for Selective Service Board Membership, and wish to be considered for appointment please visit our web site at: http://www.sss.gov/fslocal.htm . . . . Also, if the Bush administration isn't planning on bringing back the draft, why has the Selective Service come up with a new method for the lottery? Don't believe it? Go to the Selective Service web site: . . . http://content.military.com/Resources/ResourceFileView?file=Selective_Service_Lottery.htm

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  • Oct 27, 2004 11:37:34 AM CDT

    A shout out to Blacklist

    by harrisonsdad

    You said that . . . " . . . the closest thing to a draft that either candidate has proposed was Kerry's plan to require two years mandatory community service for high school students." Kerry never said anything about mandatory. What he did propose was free college tuition to students who served community service. That's not what I'd call mandatory unless a kid really wants a college education but can't afford it. Then, with a huge stretch of imagination, you might call it madatory.

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  • Oct 27, 2004 5:43:30 PM CDT

    What is the deal with FIREFLY???

    by xoandre

    Firefly was a pathetic, wasted use of film. I was ecstatic when it was cancelled. I TRIED TO WATCH several episodes, but it was like trying to sit through the worst of teh worst of THE LAND OF THE LOST the original series...

    Why in the he11 do people have any interest in that crappy load of dung?

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