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Bryan Singer on SUPERMAN!

Hey folks, Harry here... And straight from Bryan Singer's mouth to a room full of attendees - Brandon Routh is confirmed and there's quite a few more details - including one that will have us all humming Supes' proper theme again!

I just attended the screening of X2: X Men United at the Arclight Cinemas in Hollywood tonight, where Brian Singer made a special appearance and answered some questions regarding the movie. People filled out cards with questions and turned them in and he answered them directly.  

I decided to go for the gold and ask about Superman, and he actually addressed my question. My question was, "What can you tell us about Superman?" and he asked me point blank, "What do you want to know?"  

Since the news about Brandon Routh being casted hasn't really been officially been confirmed by the WB, as far as I know, I asked that first, and he responded first by correcting my pronunciation of his name (Rowth) and then said, "As of today, yes. He's Superman. He has the perfect physicality for the role and will be great."  

He then went on to tell us about how he actually pitched his idea to Richard Donner, director of the original Superman movie, to get his approval first. Donner apparently loved it and then Singer went to Warner Brothers with his idea.  

He's going to stay very true to Donner's vision of the Superman mythos, saying that the three most important aspects of the character are young Clark, the Clark facade, and Superman himself.  

He asked if there was anything else and I presented him with the most important aspect I could think of. "Will you use John Williams music in the movie?"  

He looked at me dead on and said very boldly, "Yes. Definitely yes."

The audience went nuts with this news.  

This is going to be an incredible movie. It couldn't possibly be in better hands.

here's the news from a couple days ago and the screening then of THE USUAL SUSPECTS...

I just attended a screening of The Usual Suspects at USC (I am a film student), and after the screening, Bryan Singer was onhand to answer questions; needless to say, he was inandated with them.

First off, he was very nervous about replying to questions about the casting of Superman; however at one point he slipped up, and spoke of how he just finished an awesome test with someone which was shot in 60mm film for Superman. He said that, "if I had cast Superman, I spoke to the actor, and he is very happy about the decision...". He slipped up and revealed that Superman had been cast.

Secondly, he talked about the suit and what it is going to look like. He said it will be very traditional, but that it will take advantage of the things that were learned on Spiderman. He said that spandex tends to remove definition from someone's build, and that they are going to have to shade the costume to add the effect that the actor is more toned than he really is.

He also talked about how and his writing parterns crafted a story which could be compared to Tim Burton's Batman (1989). He said that he is going to have the first two films serve as a sort of vague history, and that this next film will pick up after Superman has been gone for 6 years. He said that the story is going to approach Superman as sort of being a returning Messiah (sp). Singer also had an interesting comment that people in the movie sort of wish that Superman had never existed, because once he disappeared, the world fell into chaos.

Singer also divulged some really cool stuff about some sequences and some of the riggs that have been constructed. He said that they have created a rigg which has the capability to "fly" the actor at speeds of up to 40 mph a distance as far as 3 football fields!!! It was amazing stuff, and he said that almost all of the major sequences have already been pre-visualized.

I am not sure that he said much, else; but he pretty much confirmed that Routh has been cast.

One last thing I am remembering; he said that he really wanted to have Reeve make a cameo, and that because they are shooting in Australia (this was his idea before Reeve passed away), he was going to try to do something similar to what was done for that SuperBowl commercial a few years ago; using CGI he was going to try to have Reeve make a cameo while walking! Really exciting stuff!

You guys have been starved for information, and I thought this would tide you over!


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  • Oct. 20, 2004, 6:04 a.m. CST

    This news is very positive...

    by Ridge

    If they use the first two movies as his background, and this is the first 'real' sequel of sorts to those, then this is shaping up to sound great. Also, I can't imagine a more definitive musical score for Superman than the original... I am so looking forward to this. Bryan Singer, I salute you, you've been a god among men for the comic to movie industry. Thank you and your team for pushing this from being the disaster it was a couple of years ago, to a movie that now sounds like it might be quite excellent...

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 6:16 a.m. CST

    There might be some hope for 'Superman' after all

    by mbaker

    As long as Synger ignores 'Srperman 3', and 'Superman 4'., we'll be okay. However, i'd like to see him depict Lex Luthor as a powerful business man like in the animated series, and in the comics. the 'criminal genius' Luthor was good for a while, (At least durring the silver age) but i'd like to see him evolve into a man of power owning half of Metropolis. As for using John William's score, he should also consider throwing Shirly Walker's score from the animated series into the mix as well. Just to have the best of both worlds.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Richard LESTER directed Superman

    by MrApollo

    This is all great news, particularly John Williams music being used! However, Richard LESTER not Richard Donner directed Superman. Donner was brought in to complete Superman 2 after Lester was fired presumably for being a great director and having a perfect handle on the material.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Richard DONNER directed Superman

    by MrApollo

    Beg yer pardon, it was the other way round wasn't it. I just like Richard Lester's work. As you were.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 6:35 a.m. CST

    I agree, this sounds like good news so far.

    by Psyclops

    It's amazing how this project has completely turned around once the right people got involved. I just hope they nail the script. As for the cast, I've never heard of Brandon Routh before but I faith in Singer. The kid might pull it off. I've been hearing the rumors of Kevin Spacey playing Lex Luthor and that's encouraging (though I'd rather see someone like Ed Harris in the role). This is looking good so far.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 6:36 a.m. CST


    by stlfilmwire

    I'd make Superman's movie more about his return and restoring peace to Metropolis. Have him fight a few baddies but make the baddie someone else. Introduce Lex as a man who danced passed the legal system and somehow mysteriously tapped into a large amount of cash... which Lois wants to find out how. When Superman returns, it could be that Lex was very wise with his money and became the Donald Trump of Metropolis... except he has even bigger plans ahead.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 6:37 a.m. CST

    kevin spacey as luthor?

    by Ridge

    Now theres a role Spacey would make his own. The man has talent coming out of his pores... Id love to see him make an egomaniacal cunning devious luthor his own role...

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 6:48 a.m. CST


    by Elwood472

    CASTED?! Where were you learned English boy?

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 6:54 a.m. CST

    been gone for a while?

    by bitusa

    yesI'm am stoaked at all the news from Singer about Superman too and the theme from John Williams, but being the perfectionist that I know we all are I feel I should point out that the premise of Superman 2 WAS that he'd been away for a while being all human and stuff. To add to this at the end of Superman 2, Supes himself says and I quote "Good afternoon Mr President. Sorry I've been away so long..I won't let you down again". I hope this issue will addressed by Singer and his team explaining then why Superman buggered off again having made this promise and resolve. Maybe the next time someone has the chance they could ask Bryan.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 7:01 a.m. CST


    by jmtoyzilla

    I'm SOOOOO GLAAAAAD the new Superman film will be a sequel to the first two older ones. Hopefully he'll have a magic kiss that makes Lois forget things, a human-powered Clark will still be able to walk to the north pole, Routh will amp up the buffoonery as Clark Kent, Luthor with a full head of hair--oh, yeah right it's a WIG-- and most importantly we can see how Otis has progressed as the richly-drawn character he is. WTF?!?!?!?! Keep the music, yeah-- IGNORE THE REST OF THAT CAMPY CRAP!!!

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Bill Murray for Lex Luthor!!!

    by Yo Yo Man

    That's what I say.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 7:42 a.m. CST

    That's cool & all, but Singer still sucks for abandoning X-Men.

    by OgieOglethorpe

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 7:44 a.m. CST

    "Clark Kent facade"?

    by Desk

    So we're going back to the Inspector Clouseau-style klutsy comedy bungler, are we? I thought, or at least hoped, that we

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 8 a.m. CST

    Bryan Singer is GAY!

    by Judge Doom

    So I guess he won

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 8:05 a.m. CST


    by Spacesheik

    The opening theme of the new movie....stars in a galaxy...the beginning of William's score rises in tempo and the words "for Christopher Reeve" appear onscreen. Just writing this almost brings a tear to my eye.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 8:07 a.m. CST

    If General Zod made an appearance this would be a fanboys wet dr

    by Spacesheik

    "Kneel before Superman" says the new Supes to a defeated Gen. Zod -- the audience will go nuts. I think Terence Stamp with some slick dyed black hair and some makeup and pancake can still look more or less the way he did before.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Completely agree with Desk...

    by BobbyDigital

    ...if this Routh fella is going to play the bungling fool for Clark, then this film holds absolutely no interest for me. Are we forgetting Clark is who he is, Superman is what he can do?

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 8:41 a.m. CST

    popkulturist, I hope that was a joke.

    by I Dunno

    You can't possibly be that much of a pretentious prick. Well maybe you can, this is AICN. Anyway, if they absolutly have to do another Superman with someone other than Reeves, which apparently they do, it was a good decision to use John Williams' score. That score will always be associated with Superman and no Danny Elfman (you know that was the alternative) noodleing would suffice. Of course I'd say the same thing about Reeves and the character himself but unlike Marvel, this and Batman is pretty much all DC Comics have so the show must go on. Unless they have the balls to put Sandra Bullock in that ridiculous Wonder Woman costume.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 8:48 a.m. CST

    I REALLY REALLY want to be happy about this...

    by oh_riginal

    ... but I just can't find satisfaction in knowing this Routh guy is going to play Superman. His resume isn't reassuring in any way at all. I know he's an unknown, but still. A sequel to Superman: The Movie and Superman II??? Hmmm. Why can't the movie be made with a clean slate? Does it REALLY have to refer back to those movies???? I LOVE them in a nostalgic way, but I DON'T want to see a sequel to THOSE movies (if I did, I'd go out and buy Superman III and Superman IV: The Quest For Peace on DVD). Somehow, I don't think this movie will connect well with the first two films, yet its meant to be that way. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't seem right to me. Like another poster said, keep the camp away. I don't want to see another movie made in a universe that involves kisses that erase memories, overly comical Lex Luthor, over-the-top bumbling of Clark Kent, reversing time, the list goes on and on. The only news here that IS good is that the original score will be used. If thats all I have to look forward to, then that just isn't good. So as to not be completely negative, at least its not McG directing, or Caviezel starring.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 8:53 a.m. CST

    On second thought...

    by oh_riginal

    Caviezel sounds better than this Routh guy, though Welling would still be my first choice.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 9:04 a.m. CST


    by PaddyIrishman

    I'd just prefer to see Donners version of Superman 2. That to me would be far better than any new movie. This was the response Warner Home Video gave to fans after the petitioned."Warner Home Video is supportive of an extended version of Superman II on DVD. However, there are complex legal and creative issues that need to be resolved before the film can be re-released. Warner Home Video is presently addressing these issues."

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 9:07 a.m. CST


    by Psyclops

    I'm sure Americans aren't the only ones who enjoy some escapist entertainment every now and then. I'm pretty sure Star Wars and other "intellectually devoid, crowd pleasing" superhero movies would be quite welcome outside of the United States. Enjoy your avant-garde cinema and try not to get too queasy when a Hollywood blockbuster makes it's way to your neck of the woods.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 9:08 a.m. CST

    "While here in europe, Real movies are made"...

    by zer0cool2k2

    ...where mimes fret over stolen bicycles, and nerds with buck teeth get all the girls. ............. So, how old is this Routh guy anyway? The report from the "legitimate" news sources this morning said he's 18. I thought he was older than that. I still don't understand how this is going to work. Has he been flying backwards around the planet for the past six years, and that's why he's now so young, and Lois has turned into some teenybopper from the O.C.? (Holy crap, I actually used the term "teenybopper")!

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Donner did 1 & 2 initially

    by phelion2

    Donner shot Superman 1 & 2 back to back, but Irwin Kirschner was brought in to do extensive reshoots on 2 before it was released. The shot of Supes carrying the White House dome with the flag was initially cut from the film, but when Reagan was elected and it was added back in. Kirchner has been a go-to guy for sequels, having done Empire Strikes Back and less notably Robocop 2.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Richard Lester

    by zacdilone

    The most awkward director. Ever. Never a hint of natural behavior in his films, which always seem to have been overdubbed for some strange reason.

  • Come on out of the closet, and don't forget to brush the mothballs off of your chin.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 9:31 a.m. CST


    by stlfilmwire

    Why not.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 9:42 a.m. CST

    physicality? does he mean physique?

    by scrumdiddly

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 9:45 a.m. CST

    so all this weird, twisted news we've been hearing about superma

    by scrumdiddly

    *nervous looks*

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Superman II first

    by Peter Lemonjello

    I can't believe someone wrote that Irvin (with a V) Kirschner directed Superman II. I was taught not to speak unless I knew what I was talking about. THis all sounds like good news. Thank God ratner and McG were fired and JJ Abrams script was dumped. I was anti a new Superman movie until this news- especially the John Williams score. And apparently Zod, Non and Ursa will also be back! I just hope Warners let Donner complete his Superman II first- and with Singer on his side it sounds possible... but please bring in Williams to replace the terrible Ken Thorne score!

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 9:49 a.m. CST

    staying faithfull

    by djb7000

    I really really really hope this movie comes off, singer just improves with every movie he does ,and brian if you're reading this do us proud and make an old fashioned BLOCKBUSTER!!!

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Will the villain wear a yellow power ring?

    by Sinestro

    I really need to know this. Who does Supes fight? Who is the Big Bad?

  • Best Damned news I've heard about this new movie! I can barely wait to hear that music booming in the theater again. The trailer is going to kick our asses if it uses that theme. ********************* Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think Terry O'Quinn would be the perfect Lex Luthor. It totally ruins the idea that Clark and Lex are close to the same age as they are on Smallville, but I don't care. O'Quinn would be awesome. Hope he's a billionaire and not a petty criminal though.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Viggo Mortenson as Zod?

    by Trevor Goodchild

    This is genuinely positive news. Is Luthor definately the adversary? The only thing I don't like is the Reeve cameo. It's an ugly and crass concept. The commercial in which Mr Reeve walks was horrible. I mean correct me if I'm wrong but it was an advert for Fuck sake. Trying to sell something through the exploitation of a wonderful idea.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 10:14 a.m. CST

    No, not 12, 19.

    by quantum_ken

    If I'm not wrong Brandon Routh is 25 or 26. Superman being gone for 6 years would make him 19-20 when he left. Which to me, sounds a little bit weird. Would Metropolis be so dependent on a 19 year old Supes? Unless they get him to play older, like a 30 year old Superman. Yeesh.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 10:22 a.m. CST

    I really don't want to see a remake of the Donner films.

    by Darksider

    But that looks like the way it's going to be. Unknown Chris Reeve look alike, same continuity as the Donner films, same score. Why bother then? I was hoping Singer was going to start fresh. Fuck.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Paul Giamatta as Otis!

    by mortsleam

    Routh would have been good casting if they were seeking to reinvent the continuity, a la Batman Begins, or even the crappy Abrams trilogy concept. But if this is to be a sequel set six years after Superman II, well then they should go with Caviezel.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Pop Kulturist: I hope you're not sending emails like that from a

    by JimboLo

    ... because the beloved British Film Industry is about to come in for a bit of abuse when the Fat Slags movie starts clogging up British screens soon like a monster turd in a u-bend. Yup, that's an example of the "real movies" we make on this side of the pond. A film so shite that even Viz, the comic that thought up the characters is planning to kill them off in protest at how shockingly bad the film is. If you're French however, you can apologise right now for the "real movie" that was Haute Tension (Switchblade Romance), another shite effort. Good and bad everywhere, I reckon.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 10:34 a.m. CST

    What the shit, this sounds like a fucking mess.

    by I Dunno

    Set after Superman II but ignoring Superman III & IV (which I understand but still, choose a continuity and go with it), the same musical score, different actors, this sounds like a train wreck. The only possible reason to do another Superman film is to show off some kick ass flying man FX, which The Matrix already did. Give it up. It's all been done already. Save your money. It was a gay character in the first place.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 10:51 a.m. CST

    This movie sounds like it will be great...

    by ComicBookGeek77

    ...About a year ago this time I was ready to commit Hari Kari. All of this internet talk about Brendan Frasier as Superman, Beyonce as Lois, WTF (most of which I read here, ahem)? Finally some rays of hope. Bryan Singer is the messiah to all comic book geeks such as myself. I know he is going to make a kick-ass film. I'm personally glad he went with an unknown, although this guy looks younger than Tom Wellig.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Supermans Age

    by teutoneer

    Why is everyone complaining about the actors age. Superman (if I

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 10:59 a.m. CST

    I had been so pissed at Singer for abandoning X-Men for this sur

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    ...then I read the above and I smiled. Even if the rest of the flick sucks, if he can get Williams himself back to conduct a hi-tech re-recording of the Superman main title that plays under 22 minutes of swooshing, crystalline credits...FUCKING AWESOME. Also, give Margot Kidder a job, B.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 10:59 a.m. CST

    I love it!

    by Lost Skeleton

    I love Donner's films (and yes Mr. Lester, Superman II was a Donner film) and the fact that Singer got Donner's approval and is tying the Superman mythos to Donner's vision is wonderful! And John Williams score being used is icing on the damn cake!! Go Supes go!!!

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Richard Lester

    by HarrisonsDad

    You know, Superman 2 was a pretty damn good sequel. However, I believe Donner's version would've been even better. That said, I wouldn't call Richard Lester a complete hack. He's very adept at doing comedic films. His pedigree goes way back to working with Peter Sellers and the Goons. He has a genuine masterpiece on his hands with "A Hard Day's Night" and I loved his swashbuckling tom-foolery on Oliver Reed & Company's "The Three Musketeers". Give the man his props.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:04 a.m. CST

    I can't believe I used the word tom-foolery

    by HarrisonsDad


  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah and Brandon Routh is 25

    by HarrisonsDad

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:08 a.m. CST

    One more thing...

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    ...kudos for bringing back Geek Clark. Half of the fun of the Reeve portrayal was that he played two separate, believable characters. Plus that great moment in II when he turns from Clark to Superman in front of our eyes. Leave competent Clark to Dean Cain and George Reeves and the dire modern comic books. Also, Lois Lane should be a chain smoking, bitter urbanite not some soft-faced WB reject. I'm just sayin'.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Fanboys we've won!

    by Spacesheik

    With or without Brandon Routh (I would have prefered Caviezel) we have won fanboys. A decade ago we were gonna get a shitty SUPERMAN film with a black costumed crusader (sans capes) who couldnt fly -- in the form of Nicholas Cage and with Danny Elfman as scorer and Tim Burton as director. Then we got McG and a shitload of other directors who backed out and shitty scripts about alien Lex Luthors and Krypton not exploding, and now we're back to basics : A Richard Donner blessed, John Williams scored, sequel to the Chris Reeve films. Think about this guys ---you couldnt have expected a better solution to all this. I'm very happy.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:17 a.m. CST

    I think this is really good news

    by Eyegore

    Never posted about any of these superman articles but from what I just read it sounds great. Supe 1 & 2 were really good movies though they look dated now. Good choice to ignore the abominations that followed with 3 & 4, and using the original John Williams score is just great. I'm really looking forward to this now.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Beyonce as Lois, and WHO as Jimmy?

    by aceattorney


  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I deem this news...GOOD!

    by Village Idiot

    All right, I admit it, I'm a big Superman fan. So big, I know who Sally Selwyn is. So big, I was furious over news of the McG/JJ Abrams version of the movie. So big, I've been cautious about news about this movie ever since. But from what I've seen of Routh, the guy looks all right. Continuing the story from the world of the first two movies? Sounds great. In a manner of speaking, the world of Moonraker was the same one as that of Dr. No, and yet at the same time, not. And using John William's music? YEAH! William's score is so associated with Superman, it's like the William Tell Overture and the Lone Ranger! (Or again, like the James Bond theme and James Bond.) I would hope they'd bring Williams in to do some new work on the score, but I know that might be asking too much. So in conclusion, if you're a Superman fan and you're looking for a good Superman movie, this is all good news. We're not out of the out of the woods completely, but there's every reason to feel much happier about this project than you might have felt a year ago. And a Baldy goes out to anybody who can tell me who Sally Selwyn is. (Without using their search engine.)

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Am I the only Superman fan that didn't like the movies?

    by superzario

    I love superman. The comics, the WB cartoon, Smalleille, hell even Lois and Clark. Maybe it's because I didn't start reading the comic 30 years ago but I just hate the bubbling stumbling Clark. That always turned me off about the movies. I'm not saying He should be super cool and confident, but he should be able to walk into a room without knocking over a pot of coffee. I would almost rather have a krytonian Lex Luther than another "Goofy Clark" superman movie. But that's just my minority opinion.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:37 a.m. CST

    I loved Superman III. Why the hate?

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    But then I'm a fan of Richard Pryor and Gavin O

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:49 a.m. CST



    I'm stoked! When I heard they casted Brandon as Supes, I immediately checked my Season One Gilmore Girls DVD (episode 13) to get a look at the new man of steel. I was impressed. His stature and face were right on the mark. He looked a little young, but that guest spot was 4 years ago. I'm so glad they went with a no-name. WB's previous hard-on to get an established teen heart throb was ridiculous. Chris Reeves was an unknown, and that worked out ... well ... super! Hugh Jackman was also an unknown and he rocked as Wolverine. Fanboys chill out. You all whined initially about Tobey and Michael Keaton. Have some faith. As for Lex

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:53 a.m. CST


    by smackfu

    The opening theme of the new movie....stars in a galaxy...the beginning of William's score rises in tempo and the words "for Christopher Reeve" appear onscreen. Just writing this almost brings a tear to my eye. - - - - - - - Dude if writing that almost brought a tear to your eye, you need to head to the pharmacy and stock up on tampons ASAP.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Both Superman III and IV have their moments.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    I actually like Superman III's satire of the early Reagan era and Pryor is the least of that film's difficulties. Plus, III has one of the more creepy moments in this genre when Robert Vaughn's sister gets robotocized by the super computer. And the Kent/Gross Superman fight is great too! I love Annette O'Toole's Lana Lang as well. Any scene with Hackman and Reeve together in part IV is gold, everything else is total shit. ***He blew out the Olympic torch, yo!***

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 11:57 a.m. CST



    I was watching that episode of Friends, where Chandler had to work at Christams and was hit on by Selma Blair. She would be an awesome Lois Lane. Especially if she looked just as she did in that Friends episode. That short hair and tight lean body! GOOD TIMES! No Otis please No gay black Jimmy Jonah Jameson for Perry White

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 12:04 p.m. CST


    by zer0cool2k2

    I can see Selma Blair as Lois. Good suggestion. I also think Jason Isaacs is a good suggestion for Lex, but he or spacey would probably just overpower Routh, and then we'd get a Lex Luthor movie, just like Nicholson's Joker movie. Of course, Michael Rosenbaum is the best thing about Smallville. (Or at least he was until Erica Durance showed up). Wouldn't it be a kick in his teeth if Singer passed on Welling but cast (or casted, which is apparently the new way to say it) Rosenbaum as Lex.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 12:05 p.m. CST

    I agree. Terry O'Quinn as Lex Luthor.

    by Johnny Smith

    Throw in a few jokes about Lex's "Republican Guard" or membership in a secret apocalyptic cult and I'll be happy.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Terry O'Quinn

    by zer0cool2k2

    Maybe his Lex could murder Jonathan Kent and worm his way into Martha's heart, becoming Clark's (Dunh, Dunh, Duuuunnnnhhhh...) "Stepfather".

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Lois Lane

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Selma Blair's got Hellboy. I say dye Alyson Hannigan's hair, keep her fucked up and dark for a while then wham, cute girlieness when she lays her eyes on Superman again. She's five years older than this new guy, but so was Margot Kidder.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Kal-El's Back

    by Evil Chicken

    I'm all a-tingle at this news. I can't wait to see what Singer has in store for the last son of Krypton.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 12:23 p.m. CST

    I have the BEST F'N IDEA for a Reeve cameo. Seriously...

    by Grabthars_Hammer

    If Singer wants to put a CGI Reeve in the film, do it at the end. Have Superman flying away into the sky like he does at the end of each film, and as he takes flight, have Reeve wearing the Kent glasses. Then as Supes flies past Reeve, have Reeve smile and take off the glasses. There won't be a dry eye in the friggin place. And it would be symbolism as well. Seriously I can't think of a better fucking homage. And I'm not just saying that because I came up with this idea.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by Peter Lemonjello

    Reeves takes of his glasses... That's the most horrible film idea ever... You can always tell those who work in films and those who don't.... Or rather shouldn't be aloud to!

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by stlfilmwire

    Selma Blair, Chloe Sevigny, Mia Kirchner, Jill Small, Zooey Deschanel... all would work. How about Michael Douglas as Perry White?

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I was just thinking of Jason Isaacs as Luthor, Zero...

    by IAmJacksUserID

    Make him look like he did in Black Hawk Down. Besides that, this news makes me happy. Singer makes great movies, and his passion and devotion is very apparent of everything he does.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Original Score=John williams=YESSSSS!!!!

    by zathras34

    Ok That news made me say YESSS YESSS YESSS!!! I have always been a Williams fan, And The Superman march is the best,Equals the imperial march of emp. str.back. Loved playing both when I was younger also...( sax and my drums) And Oh yeah..Whoever said Let Gene hackman play Lex.."Hell yeah" He was the only reason I saw superman 4 at the theatres..(for the week it was But If you dont believe that would be great..Then I will leave you with one of the great lines of the superman films..if not the best..(Scene:Luthor trying to explain alpha waves to Otis and when Otis does his normal blubber of things..Luthor asks him.."Otis do you know what the number 200 has in common for both you and me???"..."Its your weight and my IQ..." love it.. Peace..

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Evangeline Lilly as Lois Lane.

    by Mr. Profit

    She is the best thing to hit TV since Jennifer Garner.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Please please please give Margot Kidder a role

    by Blarneyman

    I was always hoping that Margot and Chris would cameo together much like the orignial where you have the former Lois and Clark on the train. Margot is one of the defining reasons Superman worked along with all the other stars that aligned to make Donner's Superman a classic. I would just dearly love to see her at the very least make a cameo in this sequel(?) remake (?) reimagining (?) Please Mr. Singer. Then I can really root for this movie. Let's see the talent from Donner's cast pass the baton.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Posthumous cameo by Reeves

    by coen_fan

    The CGI cameo by Chris Reeves would be (in my opinion) a very bad idea. Kerry Conran did that kind of thing with Laurence Olivier and Sky Captain, and that was cool, but if the technique gets used too much, it will get spooky and creepy. If someone's dead, they can't make a cameo. It's sad, but it's natural. How about cameos from Gene Hackman, Margot Kidder, or Terence Stamp instead?

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 1:46 p.m. CST


    by JonQuixote

    How can you cast a 25 year old actor in a movie about how Superman has been gone for 6 years? Maybe that's just a silly nitpick. I wish they'd just start from scratch.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Lois Lane...

    by FiMo

    One can't overlook the lovely Kate Beckinsale. She's got the look... I by "the look" I mean I would sell my grandmother's soul to satan if it meant one night with her. :-)

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Why not bring Gene Hackman back...

    by IWantMy2Dollars!

    Does anyone disagree with that one?

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 1:57 p.m. CST

    In defense of Superman III...

    by IWantMy2Dollars!

    That film has it's fair share of amusing moments thanks to Richard Pryor...

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Pay up Millar!

    by Shaz_bot80

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Pay up Millar!

    by Shaz_bot80

    You cheap scots bastard!

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Johnny's Music

    by Boxclocke

    Honestly, I was never too concerned with who was going to play Superman. I was just really worried about the music. I'm glad they're using Johnny's score. That puts me somewhat more at ease about this movie.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 3:03 p.m. CST

    The robot-lady in Superman III was kind of freaky

    by Bong

    "The audience went nuts with this news" I cna picture a bunch of little twats all giggling...hehehe..teehehehhe

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 3:19 p.m. CST

    We need John Williams' involvement, not just his music...

    by FrankDrebin

    Remember Ken Thorne's dull rehash of Williams' score for Superman 2? But, if they can't afford the maestro himself, at least don't have Jessica Simpson sing a hip-hop version of "Can You Read My Mind?" Because that would be a waste of time...on multiple levels. (Ba-dum-bump!)

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Superman's Age appearance after a 6 year hiaytus

    by paulyd30

    For those of you who havent read Kingdom Come or a Superman Comic. Superman Does Not age like the rest of us. His invulnerabilty slows down his aging process. So in a 6 year return he would still appear to be in his early 20's.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 3:24 p.m. CST

    To BoxClocke: Maybe you already knew this, but at the start of

    by FrankDrebin

    From when he was part of Henry Mancini's band, up until the mid-60's (the original LOST IN SPACE tv show).

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Chris Tucker as Jimmy Olsen!

    by DoctorWho?

    Just kidding! Using John Williams score in this new film is a MASTERSTROKE! The casting of Lois Lane has me worried though. I don't want to see some fragile, pale little waif actress behind the typewriter(or will it be a pc now?). Shes got to be a little hard around the know worldly....been 'round the block a few times. That chick from the OC ain't her! As far as supes being gone for 6 yrs goes...maybe he didn't age while gone...suspended animation etc. Maybe he's just been in the Fortress of Solitude (loafing on the couch ,watchin t.v) where the physics are different and doesn't age the same> The point is...this is fantasy, you can make up any reason. One more thing....let's see a CG Richard Pryor in this one!

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Selma Blair = Lois

    by Voice O. Reason

    If Jim Carrey can play 2 different comic book characters, anyone can.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 5:39 p.m. CST


    by JDanielP

    Heh,heh. Just kiddin'. -- I suppose it would be too much to ask audiences to separate his "Charles Xavier character" from his "Lex Luthor character". (Kevin Spacey is the best choice I've heard suggested, so far, in my opinion.) -- And allow me to say that I STILL remember getting goosebumps when hearing the John Williams "SUPERMAN" theme begin, all those years ago during the original theatrical run. HALLAYLOOYA they will retain this original score!!! (I can actually hear it beginning in my head, and I'm getting goosebumps even now!!!) -- And one more thing. As a trained artist, may I suggest the "shading" on the Superman costume (which Singer suggests will happen with the suit) ... be very subtle. (You are playing with fire here, Singer. Don't exaggerate to much or it will look ridiculous or simply fake.) Here's to hoping the actor will physically "work out" like a madman, bulking up like Christopher Reeve did, which made Reeve perfectly fit for "Superman 2". Good luck, gentlemen.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Singer is hitting all the right notes with Superman!

    by Ivan_Mtl

    I am very pleased to see the direction that Mr. Singer has chosen for his planned sequel(?) to the Superman series. By embracing the classic Richard Donner film, and incorporating John Williams original score, he has established a very solid foundation from which to build. More importantly, he has jettisoned the much reviled JJ Abrahms script in favour of one more faithful to its comic book roots. I think everyone involved in the making of this film, and every fan eager to see it, are hoping that it will be a fitting tribute to the life of the late Christopher Reeve. So far it is sounding good.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 6:14 p.m. CST

    General Zod, Ursa and Non... how to bring them back for a cameo

    by Ivan_Mtl

    There have been mentions of cameos by General Zod, Ursa, and Non which I think would be another wonderful tip of the hat to the original Superman films. Of course, the original actors have aged considerably, but there is a very simple and obvious solution to explain it. And here it is, Mr Singer... In the original Donner film, General Zod, Ursa and Non are banished to the Phantom Zone by Jor-El and the Council of Elders on Krypton. At this point, Kal-El (Superman) is an infant. The three Krytonians are imprisoned and Kal-El is sent rocketing to the earth, where he eventually grows up to be Superman. In Superman 2, the Zod, Ursa and Non escape from the Phantom Zone and are the SAME AGE as they were when they were first imprisoned. This tells me that the passage of time is somehow suspended in the Phantom Zone (which would give a new, and much more harsh meaning to the term, "life-sentence"). Having said that, perhaps when Superman outwits them at the end of the second film by pulling a 'switcheroo' and giving them a dose of red-sun radiation, they lose whatever youth sustaining benefits they may have acquired from the phantom zone or their unique Kryptonian physiology, and revert to the age that they would have been as normal aging humans. I find it hard to believe that Superman killed the three villians at the end of the second movie, so this would explain the discrepancy in the ages of the characters (which would apply not only to Superman, but Lois, Jimmy, Perry, etc.). I still think that the "hole" which was made in the Phantom Zone in Superman 2 still exists, and it is from there that Braniac will emerge. Actually, it could also be a good explanation for Superman's 6 year disappearance, since he may have flown into the zone to make sure that there are no other possible threats to the Earth. Anyway, whatever Mr. Singer does decide to do, I have complete faith in his ability. If I can make one suggestion for the inevitable sequel featuring Darkseid - IAN McKELLEN AS HIGHFATHER!!

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 6:22 p.m. CST

    About Routh

    by caerlas

    Singer said he has the perfect physicality for the role. I hope this includes his character's voice. Sure who knows what Superman sounds like, as long as he doesn't do for Superman what Hayden Christianson did TO Darth Vader. On another note, he said nothing about his acting ability. That's always a good attribute to bring up don't you think?

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Hey if this is a "kinda-sequel" to the last Superman movie - BRI

    by Tall_Boy

    seriously. he's gold.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Bring back Hackman as the evil rich, LexCorp CEO....

    by supreme nothing

    If Superman had been gone for six years and the world had "fallen into choas:, then Luthor obviously would have taken full advantage of it. Now he can be the evil but "legitimate" corporate genius with money to build robots and that crazy green "Super Powers" battlesuit!

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Say what you want about Superman 3, but it contains the most thr

    by Captain Katanga

    ...forget Terminator 2, forget Raiders, forget the Matrix, forget everything John Woo ever did. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can compare to the sheer visceral, almost hallucinatory, THRILL of the bit when Richard Pryor skis of that skyscraper with a fucking pink table cloth around his neck. Multiply your best orgasm by 100 and you're still not even close.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 8:22 p.m. CST

    R.C.'s opinion: So far so good, but if what else I've heard is

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    That's the word from WB employees.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Baz Luhrman is straight, so is Hugh Jackman to that buttwipe tha

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    No question, Hackman would do it so why not get the best? ZIf you're going to continue from Reeve at least get Hackman and Terence Stamp. ehh... you can leave Margot Kidder out of it though. Yikes.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 8:46 p.m. CST

    LOL, Captain Katanga.

    by RaulMonkey

    In Superman III you can catch a glimpse of Calgary's obsolete-from-day-one C-Train. It runs at street level, so it's neither a subway system nor an L-train, yet it is whisper quiet. An old lady got run over just in the last couple weeks.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Lara Flynn Boyle = Byrne Era Lois

    by Mutant Leader

    Go back and look at The Man of Steel miniseries. If only she were ten years younger (and healthier, I know.)

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Mystery of how he got the role solved...

    by Anlashok

    I hear his nickname is B.J. I tell no lie.

  • Oct. 20, 2004, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Trading Places

    by DyslexicHeart

    I love the first three Superman films, but the fourth did stink and sadly it's the only one I saw on the big screen(I kept trying to figure out why this he-man looking guy was fighting supes) because I wasn't even born when the first film came out. I'm optimistic about Singer's take on Supes and don't feel so bad about him leaving X-Men, if that opens up the door(Knock on wood)for Joss Whedon to take over that franchise. As far as the Lex Luthor casting rumors, how do we at this point even know Lex is a character in Singer's film? I think Nolan's choice of using a lesser known villian for Batman Begins is great, maybe that will happen for this film as well.

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 12:21 a.m. CST

    John Williams score...

    by mcflytrap

    I about splooged when I read that. I still think they should get Stamp for Zod's return.

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Supermans actual age in superman 1 and 2

    by Ridge

    In Superman, he's 18 when he goes to the fortress of solitude, Jor-El tells him that when he arrives back to earth with all his powers and knowledge, 10 years will have passed. So that makes him 28 in the movies. In the comics, Superman is ideally around 30 - 35, whilst his co-hort Batman is around the late twenties area himself. So, casting on this movie, this guy would look fine. I have to say, both Batman and Superman now look very promising. Lately, the DC comic movie horizon is looking pretty good with Batman and Superman taking shape quite well... its unfortunate we had that kitty litter Catwoman, but hey, every movie type has its duds as well as its diamonds.

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 4:47 a.m. CST


    by UCFKevin

    Nice of Aint It Cool to acknowledge who sent in this piece of information about Singer. OH WAIT. They didn't.

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Charism Carpenter

    by Barry Egan

    Supherhero Hype is reporting that Charsma Carpenter is up for Lois Lane.

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Does it REALLY matter if the ACTOR is gay? It's not like Superma

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    I know there must be chemistry between the actors for the Clark/Lois thing to work and frankly that is the only thing that concerns me, whether Routh can act interested in Lois to the extent we believe his heart flutters around her. I guess it depends if he can act worth a damn and on who they choose as Lois. Seriously all this gay-bashing is beyond childish. "Growup childrens".

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 11:17 a.m. CST

    NEWSFLASH: Hugh Jackman isn't gay

    by Jeditemple

    I wish people would stop spreading rumors. Geez.

  • I agree that this kid could surprise us all, but short of seeing the audition that won him the role (and I assume it was the audition, despite what the peanut gallery likes to suggest), I don't like that Routh is younger than the guy playing the teenaged Clark Kent. And I really think it's fucked up that they won't use Welling because they're afraid it'll be confusing with Smallville, but then they are going to make these movies fit into the continuity of the first two original movies but not the last two. That's not equally confusing to the average person? I think they're logic behind people remembering Reeve as Superman is fair, but then they aren't giving credit to Reeve passing the torch to Welling on Smallville as well as his officially stating that Welling should be Superman. Welling himself has been aloof to outright against doing the movie, probably because he thinks they won't continue making Smallville and put his costars out of work as well as possibly typecasting him as Superman (too late, Tom). But let's be realistic, WB could wait a year to start, by which point Smallville will be wrapping up its fifth season and most likely the movie won't come out until the following year, thus allowing Smallville to complete its sixth season which I think is as far as that concept can go. Singer could wait a year too (hello, X3, MAKE IT!).***********BUT, like I said, I don't know that this kid will be bad. But 2 fucking years? He's SuperBOY, not SuperMAN. If they get the girl playing Kate on Lost to be Lois, she'll look too old next to him! She'd almost look too old next to Welling. I just have that feeling I had when Hayden Christenson was cast as Anakin. I suspect that he won't own the role, and he won't make anyone forget who DOES own the role. But hey, I'll be glad to be surprised.

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 12:45 p.m. CST

    I wish Warner Bros. would offer Tom Welling 20 million bucks per

    by JDanielP

    You know, I already had mixed feelings about this Brandon Routh fellow being the next Superman. I'll believe it "if" I see it. -- I suppose in his day, Rock Hudson may have been a good Clark Kent/Superman (with Sean Connery as Bruce Wayne/Batman) ... but I can't help but have SOME feelings against there being a "gay" actor portraying BIG BLUE. If it was Rock in his prime, that's one thing. But this guy??? Is Warner Bros. willing (or Welling) to bet the farm???

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Charisma Carpenter as Lois?! Are they f`

    by Judge Doom


  • Oct. 21, 2004, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Message for Popkulturist

    by Mutant Leader

    go here: and you will find out as soon as there is news.

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Bitch, bithc, bitch

    by Barry Egan

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 7:42 p.m. CST


    by Psyclops

    If Ian McKellen and Alan Cumming were lousy actors who were given the roles simply because of their sexual orientation then I could understand being upset by the choices Singer made. The truth is that both of those actors did a hell of a job and only added to the movie's overall success, it wasn't ruined or hindered because of the fact that they were homosexuals and that fact never once pulled me out of the movie. We have yet to see what this Brandon Routh kid is capable of as an actor but judging by Singer's previous work, I'm willing to put faith in his decision.

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Singer and the Gay Agenda

    by Ivan_Mtl

    First of all, let me just say that I have no problem with Bryan Singer's decision to cast gay actors in the roles of straight characters - as long as the characters' sexuality remains unchanged. If straight actors can play gay characters, then I don't see why the reverse shouldn't be true. Having said that, I do agree with Sithmaster insofar as that I believe there are "gay militants" whose agenda it is to actively promote their lifestyle choice through the use of popular media such as movies, music, TV, books and even comic books. There are a few things about that which I find disturbing. First of all, it usually starts out with the statement that people are born gay, when there is absolutely NO scientific evidence to support such a claim. Sure, there have been a few flawed brain theories put forth (such as the famous Simon LeVay study at the Salk Institute and the Dean Hamer study at the National Cancer Institute) but all have been summarily disproven and dismissed. In reality, homosexuality is not "normal" according to the simple 'laws of evolution' because homosexuals cannot procreate and thus would not survive their generation. So, according to simple evolutionary principles, homosexuality is essentially "deviant" behaviour that would eventually be removed from the human gene pool by the process of natural selection. In fact, it can be said that people are born HETEROSEXUAL by the simple virtue of their sexual organs which have been designed for procreation. It is our life experiences that we accumulate along the way which serves to shape our particular preferences. Sadly, some people can't see the forest from the trees. Now, as to the larger question of "homophobia?" Well, that is a misnomer if I ever heard one. As a parent, I would have every right to be concerned about misinformation being delivered to my child. In a recent issue of Josh Whedon's X-Men (#5), Emma Frost confronts a doctor who has apparently found a cure for the mutant gene and says, "What's next? Eliminating the gay gene?" Of course, the problem here is that there is NO GAY GENE (all of them have been mapped, and none have ever been found) The children reading the comic will automatically assume that it must be true because it's in print, when we can look no further than Dan Rather and CBS news to know that this is not always the case. Yes, I believe that there is a not-so-subtle "seduction of the innocent" (apologies to Dr. Wertham) taking place. It is nothing short of the active recruitment of the young who are at a very impressionable point in their lives where their sexual identities are being formed. The confusing messages being trumpeted by these gay militants are designed to glamourize their lifestyle to make it all the more alluring. I have not even brought up religion into the discussion. A devout Catholic is no more anti-gay then he is anti-adultery, anti-lying, anti-stealing, or even anti-murder. All are condemmed by the bible. And every major religion in the world views homosexuality in much the same way. In fact, Islam is probably the most rigidly and inhumanly anti-homosexual in it's practices of all the world religions. The verses from the Koran condemning homosexuality are much clearer than those that Christians use. In all Muslim countries and all areas where the Islamic Sharia law is enforced, homosexuality is strictly illegal. The debates in Islam about homosexuality are not about whether it is acceptable, but merely about how severe the punishment should be. Anyway, what two consenting adults do behind closed doors is none of my concern, as long as I am not forced to buy into their lifestyle - especially if it contradicts my own scientific and religious beliefs. Superman should not be about gay, religious, or racial politics. What the character represents should not be twisted to comform to an individual's personal agenda. I hope that Mr. Singer is above that because I really didn't feel he set out to do that with his two X-Men films.

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Did you notice that moviemack could not refute my statements...

    by Ivan_Mtl

    ... with anything other than a personal attack. You don't have a scientific or religious leg to stand on.

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Gayzilla is absolutely correct

    by Ivan_Mtl

    And I do agree with all of the rights that you mentioned - many of which are already not denied you. I'm sure that your president Bush would be happy to hear that you are willing to join his "all volunteer army" in Iraq. ;) The question of marriage, however, is another story as I do believe it is a religious act defined as taking place between a man and a woman. To change that would infringe on other people's right to practice their religion - something in which the governament should never interfere with. An example would be Catholic priests being forced to marry homosexuals, when it is clearly against their doctrine. I am completely for a legal union between same sex couples, but to equate a gay "marriage" with one between opposite sexes (where procreation can occur) is completely unrealistic.

  • Oct. 21, 2004, 11:34 p.m. CST

    I admit it, I have an axe to grind with singer...

    by Anlashok

    But it's not because of the casting of BJ or his "Gay Agenda" IT'S CAUSE THAT FUCKER RUINED MY X-MEN AND GOT THE FUCK AWAY WITH IT!!! Die you fucker Die!!!! Yellow spandex, you have problem with yellow spandex, bitch!? Then don't do a fucking comic book movie!! Comic book fan!!?? If he's a comic book fan then Batman and Robin is the gold standard for all films to uphold.

  • Oct. 22, 2004, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Hey Moviemack, We Get It.

    by vash666

    You don't like the new Batman film. Understood. Now do the rest of us a favor and shut the fuck up. Your opinion, shitty and irrelevant as it may be, has been noted. The unfortunate thing for your theory is the following: The film has one of the best casts ever assembled for this type of project. Actors like Morgan Freeman don't commit to projects that reek of the next Batman and Robin. That means Morgan, Bale, Neeson, Caine and the rest of the cast know something about this film that you don't. Also, Nolan is the fucking man. He has more talent in his bowel movements than you have in your entire, whiny, fanboy body. I'm sorry that this isn't the Batman film you wanted and I'm sorry Nolan didn't call you and get your approval before he began shooting. However, as a long time fan of the comic, I'm pretty goddamn excited about this movie and all the immense talent that is connected to it, nor am I alone in my enthusiasm. Your hatred of a film you haven't even seen yet is your own pathetic, personal issue. Quit trying to make your dysfunction everyone else's problem.

  • Oct. 22, 2004, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Sithmaster, who hurt you?

    by Otter

    Was it Daddy??

  • Oct. 22, 2004, 8:17 a.m. CST

    As I was reading along, I thought to myself.......

    by Yossarian

    how long before some TBer suggests Terry O'Quinn as Lex Luthor. He's bald, therefore he's PERFECT, right? (derisive snort) No one here ever suggests actors that aren't already in their favorite (usually WB)TV series (or worse yet, the typical A listers). If we're gonna be doing the imaginative casting, let's use some imagination. Or let's just go with Hulk Hogan for everything. [end bitch session]

  • Oct. 22, 2004, 9:44 a.m. CST


    by 69DUDE

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  • Oct. 22, 2004, 9:48 a.m. CST

    The Gay Superman Rap

    by 69DUDE

    Kal-El not KY-Gel, what the hell is that fcuking smell? It's burning rubber, it's making me wretch my gullet, he shags butt faster than a speed bullet! Super hearing, hear every sound,leap tall handbags in a single bound, take down villains of any size and still find time to moisturise. Heat vision eyes to take out criminal maggots. Is it a bird, is it a plane? It's Superfaggot! The man of steel, flies like an arrow, a big blue spandex bum bandelero! It's insane, Clark Kent cruisin with Lewis Lane, getting rimjobbed while bound with chain, going off on a march (gay right campaign). No hype, Lex is pissed coz he aint his type, gonna shove kryptonite straight up his shite pipe!

  • Oct. 22, 2004, 10:33 a.m. CST

    You know F_ck it, Routh is gay so let's just go ahead and scrap

    by ComicBookGeek77

    Let's cast a juiced up on Propecia and steroids Nic Cage back on the project. F_ck Bryan Singer, he's a hack, let's put McG or friggin Tim Burton back in the captain's chair, smart. What exactly does it take to make you dickheads happy? You'd think after the way Singer bitchslapped all the X-Men naysayers you'd all learn to trust his vision. I could care less if he's gay, Jewish, Black, Brown, or Green. Who gives a hoot? The guy loves comic books and can direct a decent film. Who cares if the main star is gay? I don't. Although I confess I'd rather see Welling in the role, and he's a dumbass to pass it up.

  • Oct. 22, 2004, 10:57 a.m. CST


    by 69DUDE

    Big boy Supes is a dirty ass-rangler, gettin his lips round Bryan's pork dangler. Singer rims Routh, Routh jerks Singer, spins him around and gets jammed in the ringer!!

  • Oct. 22, 2004, 1:36 p.m. CST

    If they cast a GAY person as SUPERMAN, most the people I persona

    by JDanielP

    I guarrantee that it will be a box office disappointment, no matter HOW GOOD it may turn out ... if SUPERMAN himself is portrayed by an openly gay actor. And I'm saying it's a simple fact. There are MANY people in this country who will be ANGRY about it. And not just a little. Simple fact. -- Whatever the case, I hope we get a great film. -- I just wish Tom Welling would do it.

  • Oct. 22, 2004, 4:39 p.m. CST

    the_ram - you are quoting all of the dismissed studies.

    by Ivan_Mtl

    Maybe I should have specified the studies on a biological cause for homosexuality that have been dismissed, since you actually referred to all of them in your post. The Simon Levay study, which I mentioned in my post, involved the study of the cluster of neurons called INAH3 in the hypothalamas of 35 male cadavers. He reported that they were smaller in 19 known homosexuals than they were in 16 heterosexuals. Unfortunately, there were glaring problems with this study: The sample size was too small, and the sexuality of the 16 subjects classified as heterosexuals were inaccurate since six of them were revealed to have been gay themselves. Interestingly enough, all of the cadavers in the study died of AIDS. In advanced stages, AIDS itself is known to cause clinical insanity and might well affect brain structure. Finally, it has never been established that the area of the hypothalamus in question has ANYTHING to do with sexual orientation. Despite all of this, the media reported it as a breakthrough in the search to find a biological link with homosexual behavior. The other study I referred to happened in 1993. Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute studied 40 pairs of homosexual brothers, and found that 33 of the pairs had DNA markers in the same chromosome region called Xq28. Coincidentally(?) the study was released on the same day your President Clinton was scheduled to lift the ban on homosexuals in the military. Of course, we all know that had nothing to do with the unusual zeal with which the media jumped on the study to report it. Mutual News Radio reported that researchers "have isolated a gene found only in gay males." Newsweek published a cover story titled "Gay Gene?" The Wall Street Journal posted the headline "Research Points Toward a Gay Gene." And many other prominent newspapers announced new proof that homosexuals are born, not made. Then it all came crashing down - the study has been totally discredited. The sample size was inadequate. There was no control group of heterosexuals where markers might or might not have been found. And finally, the study was later repeated by George Ebers of the University of Western Ontario(a fellow Canadian like myself), with findings that totally contradicted Hamer's findings. Ebers used a much-larger sample than Hamer, and reported results that "do not support an x-linked gene underlying male homosexuality." To cite you one last study which involved identical twins, psychologist Michael Bailey of Northwestern University and psychiatrist Richard Pillard of Boston University reported that if one of the twins was homosexual, the other had a 52% percent chance of being homosexual as well. This finding tried to show that being homosexual is like being black. Of course, the claim is ridiculous. Imagine what black parents would think if you told them that if they had identical twins and one of them was black, there was a 52 percent chance the other would also be black. Totally laughable. No, I think what you need to ask yourself with these studies is "who is funding them?" "What are their motives?" "What do they have to gain?" There was a recent study that suggested chocolate was actually good for your heart. Interestingly enough, it was funded by a major candybar manufacturer, so you can see the conflict of interests. McDonalds certainly didn't finance the "SuperSize Me" documentary. Anyway, I have had my final say on the subject. There are plenty of bars filled with alcoholics who will tell you that they don't have a drinking problem, so why should I bang my head. I wish nothing but the best of luck to Bryan Singer with his Superman film because, like everyone else, I want it to succeed. The fact that he or the cast may be gay, republican, or democrat really is of no concern to me. As long as they don't wear their politics on their sleeves... or, in this case, capes.

  • Oct. 22, 2004, 4:48 p.m. CST

    You're all missing the point: Brandon Routh is from Iowa

    by mortsleam

    There are no gay people from Iowa. You show me a gay soy bean farmer, and I'll show you my co-worker's uncle.

  • Oct. 22, 2004, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Superman 3 is better than Superman 2

    by llac3

    Why did Zod and his goons speak English? Shouldn

  • Oct. 22, 2004, 10:01 p.m. CST

    If Routh can be the new Superman....

    by F-1000

    There's a bigger problem than speculation about Routh's sexuality, let's put aside our differences (whatever they may be) and just view this picutre: (( My point? Routh is simply butt ugly. He's not remotely good looking (even in a Tom Welling sense) besides the fact he doesn't have the features one would expect in a Superman; a stoic jawline, determined eyes. This picture looks as though he was giving us his best: "Ok, pretend you're Superman" look. Afterall it's a photo from the WB press kit. I have to say if that's the "Superman" look we're going to see in this upcoming movie, I'm sorely disappointed. This is miscasting worse than Jessica Alba as Sue Storm, but at least she can act. Let's hope Routh can, it's going to take acting ability on a legendary scale to make me buy him as Superman.

  • Oct. 23, 2004, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Seattle as Kandor.

    by Napoleon Park

    When I saw the reference in the article to them using the original Superman theme I assumed you meant the theme from the George Reeves series "Adventures Of Superman". I suppose you think the music from Star Trek: the Motion Picture and not Alexander courage's theme from Star Trek: TOS is the original Star Trek theme, too? Kids today, no sense of history. (Although I suppose to a grown-up the theme from the Fleisher cartoons was the 'real' Superman theme song. ***** I googled for a picture of B.J. Routh the other day and he doesn't look that bad for the Smallville scenes. Does anyone know who's going to play Superman as an adult? ***** Okay, so the teenage Clark Kent travels through time to prevent the events of Superman III and IV from ever happening, that explains his age. But what did he do to the timeline to turn Lana Lang Asian?

  • Oct. 23, 2004, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Having an openly gay actor portray SUPERMAN will put children in

    by JDanielP

    I want this movie to be GREAT like anyone else, here. And I want it to succeed. But if Brandon Routh is openly gay as people are saying, I just know there will be a huge backlash. (Good luck, Warner Bros. You're going to need it.)

  • Oct. 23, 2004, 4:36 a.m. CST

    I will always wonder what the McGinty/JJ Abrams/Matthew Bomer Su

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    That's what we needed, fresh eyes and a NEW vision. Not rehash. Has anyone got the Abrams script?

  • Oct. 23, 2004, 7:02 a.m. CST

    they should make a movie about this homophobic thing...

    by DarthBakpao

    you know, a story about a homophobic straight guy who one day waking up finding himself as the only straight person in the whole world...... i vote ben stiller, adam sandler or owen wilson for the lead role, and drew barrymore as his girlfriend turned lesbian

  • Oct. 23, 2004, 7:25 a.m. CST

    this brandon routh guy doesn't have that 'boy scout' quality loo

    by DarthBakpao

    which you can find on welling, reeve and CAVIEZEL!! goddammit, i still want caviezel so much for the role. this feels like an anti climax after series of perfect decisions....i'm not happy, do you read this Singer? i'm not happy!

  • Oct. 23, 2004, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Fuck Jim Caviziel and fuck Brandon Routh and FUCK SINGER FOR RUI


    Seriously, Matthew Bomer had this nailed down when Brett Rattner was in the directors chair, and he LOOKS like Superman. This pasty little choad doesn't even have blue eyes. This guy is not the man of steel, or the man of tinfoil for that matter. I liked the X films despite the creative changes Singer made, but this is unforgiveable

  • Oct. 24, 2004, 10:41 a.m. CST



    the guy doesn't even have the right eye colour. Unless they are going to cheap out and give him contacts. Nope Matthew Bomer was born to play Superman. Singer needs to rethink his casting choice.

  • Oct. 24, 2004, 12:45 p.m. CST



    Uh nooo, marriage was concieved as a way to transfer property. It has nothing to do with any specific religion or love or any of that crap. Pagans were performing handfasting ceremonies to bind families and their property holdings together since long before Jesus was a gleam in Mary's eye. So until things like adultry and divorce are made illegal, it is hypocracy to continue to prevent gay American citizens from recieving the same protections as those of us who are straight. The fact that our president has taken it upon himself to put bigotry into our constitution is shameful. Regardless, the sexual preference of this potential Kal-El doesn't bother me. It does however bother me that he looks NOTHING LIKE SUPERMAN. So he's a white dude with dark hair, and that's where the resemblance ends. His eyes aren't even the right colour

  • Oct. 24, 2004, 3:11 p.m. CST

    So what if he is gay? The fact that hel looks nothing like Kal


    That has absoloutely zero bearing on whether he should have been cast or not. He doesn't look like Superman for starters and what the hell is this business of ignoring Superman III and IV? Yeah the first two were better, but I liked the Quest for Peace Dammit! I would rather they just start from scratch rather than risk tainting the legacy of the Donner/Reeves films. That Superman is gone now and if Singer or this Routh guy think they can fill those red boots they are way off. MATTHEW BOMER SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS ROLE. Even Rattner saw that he was born to play Superman. If they were going to choose an ex soap star, they should have gone with Bomer. Hell his character on Tru Calling died last season and everything. It was meant to be. I don't think Singer is pursuing some kind of homosexual conspiracy, or any homophobic bullshit like that, and it really doesn't matter whether this new potential Supes is gay or not. The fact is, he looks nothing like Superman. Of course Neither did Cage, or Caveziel, or Brendan Fraser or Josh Hartnett, or any of the other lamers they courted for this role. Face it fans, we will never get a good Superman film again unless somebody hands Sandy Collara a budget. Hell he has been doing better with no budget and no name actors than Warner has done since the original Batman and the old Superman films. That explains why they hammered the comic cons about the fan films this year. Anybody who saw Collara's "Worlds Finest" can see why Warner would be nervous.

  • Oct. 25, 2004, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Yo Yo Yo!

    by 69DUDE

    Big blue billy bob, suckin on a jewish nob, up ya bum until ya sob, drippy drippy cummy blob! Da da da!!!! Superman!!!!!