Oct. 15, 2004, 4:16 a.m. CST
The Enterprise crew encounter, get this, a race of cybernetic organisms that quote unquote "assimilate" other races. They are really strong and they have these cool cube starships. They're called the "Borg". How does Brannon and Bragga come up with this stuff!!!!! The Star Trek franchise is good in these guys hands.
Oct. 15, 2004, 4:24 a.m. CST
Ah freakin boo to that. I'll still watch the episode and am looking forward to this ep. but I heard they were just going to "blow the roof off it" / "wrap it up". Argh, this is one of the few times I feel disappointed in the show. Ah well, maybe my opinion will change when I actually watch it.
Oct. 15, 2004, 4:51 a.m. CST
by TheGinger Twit
Who writes this shit!?
Oct. 15, 2004, 6:22 a.m. CST
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Oct. 15, 2004, 7:15 a.m. CST
by TheGinger Twit
I turned it off and came here to complain.
Oct. 15, 2004, 8:49 a.m. CST
...this show is taking up valuable airspace that could be used for infommercials.
Oct. 15, 2004, 10:01 a.m. CST
It's not lookin' real good for Enterprise this season if this is the giant two-part climax episode that Manny Coto thinks will pull back viewers. Initially I was relieved to hear that he was taking over the shows direction and hopeful from all I've been hearing about upcoming story arcs. Man, this is really disturbing...
Oct. 15, 2004, 10:18 a.m. CST
Why don't we let the episode actually air before ripping it to shreds? I was all set to hate last weeks episode and thought that it was really good once I got a chance to watch it. If you don't like the show, then don't freakin' watch it...then you'll have nothing to complain about.
Oct. 15, 2004, 10:40 a.m. CST
Star Trek, was one of the few shows that actually inspired people. It actually had a point to make. Remember whatching an episode of Trek with a cool idea, and then have that idea really resonate in you? That NEVER happens anymore. To see it reduced to a simple action series, with absolutley NOTHING to say is so painful. We complain because we know it was more than this... and hope that it can return to what it was.
Oct. 15, 2004, 11:19 a.m. CST
Look, the appeal of any show is it
Oct. 15, 2004, 11:51 a.m. CST
by Childe Roland
...of a potentially good premise and promising cast this show has been. I used to love all things Trek. Hell... I even clung to Voyager after it became evident that it was crap just because I believed bad Trek was better than no Trek (and actually I got a pleasant surprise in the series finale for hanging in there through all the shit, but I wouldn't do it again). Even Voyager didn't leave a bad enough taste in my mouth for me to not be excited about this series when it premiered. Even the shitty, SHITTY theme song wasn't bad enough to dampen my spirits during the pilot. I watched that puppy through rose-colored glasses and pretended not to notice that the Klingons were introduced way too early and unspectacularly. I even forgave the tired old time travel gimmick introduced in the pilot (time travel, in my opinion, being the device Voyager relied on one time too many and forever made a stale element in the Trek universe). I kept my hopes up through most of season one because I was excited about watching the birth of the Federation and because I loved Scot Bakula in Quantum Leap and thought he'd bring that same depth and range and almost childlike enthusiasm to the role of Earth's first interstellar captain. He didn't. He came off more like D'Amore from Lord of Illusions (another disappointing waste of potential all around) and just solemnly brooded his way through the whole damn season. Where was the fun? Where was the excitement? I completely lost interest during the first few episodes of season two, although even that hasn't stopped me from checking back in on this show every once in a while as though it were something I discovered in the back of my fridge and, for some inexplicable reason, didn't throw out after realizing how horrible it smelled. Instead it stays in there and I keep lifting that tupperware lid and taking a tentative whiff... as though I think it's going to magically get better... when all sense and logic seems to dictate that the contents are irrevocably spoiled and it should be tossed. Please, network execs, do what we cling-on Trek fans don't have the heart or the energy to do. Throw this rotten piece of shit away before it contaminates everything else in the fridge.
Oct. 15, 2004, 12:19 p.m. CST
by Lezbo Milk
Time travel stories are fucking horrible, there are to many paradoxes' involved to make anything matter when time travel is involved. It can be done, but it's so fucking hard why bother? You certainly can't base a series like Trek around time travel. I can't tell you how many Treks (motion pictures included) have been ruined for me because of time travel bullshit. Leave it alone!!!!
Oct. 15, 2004, 12:49 p.m. CST
... of "Enterprise" or any other Trek "prequel" is that we know, despite the scale of the threat encountered or level of destruction handed out, IT'LL ALL BE FIXED! We've SEEN the future!!! The Federation lives! Earth is still there! WHY oh WHY the writers waste so much time and energy trying to get viewers to buy into this crap is completely beyond me. They are basically asking us to sign on for 3-4 years of "Awww, never mind." I get pissed when that happens for one EPISODE, much less an entire series! Cancel the focus groups, go work on some storylines and quit with the easy answers (the Borg? Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn!)
Oct. 15, 2004, 12:53 p.m. CST
Oct. 15, 2004, 12:58 p.m. CST
I have been watching Star Trek since the 70
Oct. 15, 2004, 12:59 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
And please don't use this idea, Manny. Thanks.
Oct. 15, 2004, 1:14 p.m. CST
The only episodes I don't like are the Ferengi episodes from DS9. I'm finishing up watching season 7 of DS9 right now on DVD for the second time, right before the 10 episode ending arc. I've skipped just about all of the Ferengi shows. I shudder just thinking of Quark dressed like a female. I feel like the Grand Nagus took Trek to the realm of Mork And Mindy.
Oct. 15, 2004, 1:20 p.m. CST
Finally screwed up the courage to watch the 4.1 last night. It sucked. Not from a larger TREK perspective, the script just sucked. In order to make it work, everyone had to act like an idiot. Once again, Porthos turned in the best performance of the night. The rest of the cast seems aware of what's happening around them as they try to muddle through the insanely stupid dialogue. On a lighter note, if this really does wrap up the story line that never should have been written (or at least should have been better outlined before they committed to it) in season 3, maybe the rest of the season will improve.
Oct. 15, 2004, 2:09 p.m. CST
Despite being competently produced, acted and maintaining a nice even pace, the episode was "formulaic, cliched and predictable
Oct. 15, 2004, 2:38 p.m. CST
by Childe Roland
...but I simply cannot agree with your shit-to-eat-is-better-than-nothing-at-all philosophy. Folks who eat nothing but shit get malnourished very quickly and tend to die all smelly and diseased (with horrible breath). Being a well-watched thirtysomething, I also remember the days when the only Trek to be had on TV was old Trek in reruns, and that was better than this. I love this franchise so much that I would sooner destroy it than see it continue as the abomination it has become... just the same way I'd put a bullet between my best friend's eyes if he went all stinky zombie on me and tried to eat my brain, as this show seems intent on doing. Die you rancid, brain-eating zombie of a beloved franchise! Die! And may the memory of what you once were live on in our hearts.
Oct. 15, 2004, 3:24 p.m. CST
Back up. "The Conscience of the King" was a pretty damn cool episode. Considering all the sideways Shakespeare references that pop up in Trek, especially TOS, I love that there's one episode that goes all the way with it.
Oct. 15, 2004, 3:53 p.m. CST
Oh wait that's Boston Legal on Sundays. I swear I don't think I've seen Shatner act this good before and his Emmy was deserved. ---------------Denny Crane
Oct. 15, 2004, 4:27 p.m. CST
by Jim Jam Bongs
The novels are doing decently. The Trek brand for video games is moribound. Enterprise is adversely affecting the entire franchise -- it's now a liability, not an asset, to Star Trek as a brand. The novels don't need this show around. Kill Enterprise now and put any development of new Trek show or movies into hibernation for the next ten years. The novels and video games will keep the brand around, just as Star Wars novels and video games kept Star Wars in the public eye for several years.
Oct. 15, 2004, 4:42 p.m. CST
Too watch Original, Next Gen, or even DS9 and then watch Enterprise is enough to make a Trekker cry.
Oct. 15, 2004, 4:50 p.m. CST
by Blok Narpin
so I'll watch Part Two.
Oct. 15, 2004, 4:51 p.m. CST
by Jim Jam Bongs
1) Redo all of the FX from the TOS episodes, and release this Special Edition version of the show on DVD, and air it on Sci-Fi or another cabler (Spike?). 2) After a couple of years (6 at the minimum), produce a Trek 4-hour miniseries for air on UPN during the ratings sweeps period -- but do NOT have Berman and Braga produce it. It will be time for a new producing team.
Oct. 15, 2004, 4:55 p.m. CST
by I Dunno
The novels and video games had nothing to do with the interest in Star Wars. It was the fans drooling at the mouth for another movie ever since the credits rolled on Jedi. All the books did was bring a few new younger fans into it. With Trek, the average person could care less about a new series and sure as hell doesn't want to see another movie (although I do site the genius of the Paramount suits of releasing Trek 10 smack between Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings but I digress.). Books and video games aren't enough to keep people interested in Trek. They need a friggin miracle.
Oct. 15, 2004, 5:02 p.m. CST
by Johnny Smith
Oct. 15, 2004, 6:44 p.m. CST
by Real Deal
The minds that pumping the garbage who haven't even seen this episode yet! I see the shit grinders made a special effort to get here early to spread their crap. Sure you guys are really sensitive and are bothered about Enterprise....yeah right! There's nothing to see here except maybe trolling at it's finest.
Oct. 15, 2004, 7:02 p.m. CST
I can't believe people get fighting mad trying to defend "Enterprise" when it's so obviously bankrupt ideawise. I won't even fight over the Treks I LIKE much less "Enterprise," which doesn't make me angry so much as it makes me sad. It's like describing a hot girl to your best friend only to have him catch her on a day when she looks like crap. Then he looks back at you and asks, "HER???"
Oct. 15, 2004, 8:51 p.m. CST
...but isn't it impossible for the Enterprise to fly around inside the atmosphere?
Oct. 15, 2004, 8:53 p.m. CST
Sure it was a pretty lackluster ending but an ending nonetheless. You shouldn't lie like that Herc. Lies make baby Jesus cry.
Oct. 15, 2004, 9:23 p.m. CST
by I Dunno
...or maybe it does. Damn, I sure hope not. It was an intruging storyline but if that's it than apparently it had no point and there really was no Future Guy. Well that sucks.
Oct. 15, 2004, 9:48 p.m. CST
Just read that - as bad as the ratings of S4 currently are - UPN is seriously looking at slicing the already truncated number of episodes down to a measley 13 ep order. The Klingonese is on the wall, folks. Just as well, though. Foolishly, I has hope YET AGAIN for this ship of fools to right itself... but no such luck. I've watched Trek for many reasons ove the years. But NEVER to see a Nazi get shot in the throat just 'cuz it looks KEWL!!! As Scotty himself once said, "Fool me once..." Damn your silver tongue, Manny Coto!
Oct. 15, 2004, 10:02 p.m. CST
Storm Front blows, reminds me of "Sliders." In Manny Coto's defense, Berman & Braga thought came up with this crap to wrap up the Temporal Cold War Debacle; Coto was essentially given the task to quickly end it and basically start over again. I gave up on Enterprise in the middle of Season 2; wasn't the prequel to the Original Series but the prequel to TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Tuned in the middle of Season 3 and wasn't pleasantly surprised. Wasn't a perfect season and the Xindi were not very interesting but it was a vast improvement over Season 2. I've read what Coto is planning to do with Season 4 and next weeks episode "Home" looks very good. I'm certain Enterprise has finally found its way back to its original premise thanks to Manny Coto and the demotion of Brannon Braga. What I'm afraid of is it may be too late to bring the ratings up to a level that UPN will justify a fifth season. Damn shame! I loved the Original Series and the Original cast films, I liked Next Generation and "First Contact" but didn't care for DS9 and despised Voyager. In my humble opinion, Enterprise has the best cast since the Original Series. I especially love Connor Trineer and Jolene Blalock, great chemistry! Its a pity the cast was saddled with inconsistent writing and rehashed episodes from TNG and Voyager. Anyway, I'm gonna watch Storm Front part 2 to contribute to the ratings, hopefully the viewership will be higher than last Fridays. I'm not a party guy, but I do like to go out Friday night to reward myself after a long work week; does anyone know if the ratings count if the show is recorded and not viewed? I feel like a moron for asking but I want to help out Enterprise as much as I can but don't want to deprive myself of going out on Friday night. Please reply. Thanks!
Oct. 15, 2004, 10:19 p.m. CST
How many desperate "T'Pol get naked" episodes, how many TNG episodes do they need to rip off to get fired?
Oct. 15, 2004, 10:22 p.m. CST
the TCW is over. Sure I'm still pissed they didn't reveal who Future Guy was, or even show him again. (booooo). But that's the end of that chapter. Now onto the TOS prequel continuity porn that Coto has planned.
Oct. 15, 2004, 10:30 p.m. CST
"Storm Front Part 1" had huge gains in a timeslot that for UPN had been dead since the station started. It was comparable to season 3 ratings. Sure not all that great but a hellova lot better than what you would expect on a Friday. Also UPN has nothing to fill in that slot. That and the rumor has been debunked by "Save Enterprise" & "Trekweb" as being bullshit. So stop saying "The Klingonese is on the wall" because you're just looking at shit smeared on the wall. Will this be the last season? Maybe. Is it going to just be 13 episodes? Definitely not.
Oct. 16, 2004, 2:06 a.m. CST
by The Killer-Goat
so I'm glad I didn't watch enough of EITHER of those 2 episodes to ruin the rest of the 'fresh, new start' of this next season. I'm not writing Manny Coto off yet, he's inherited a LOT of baggage and he deserves at least 3 more episodes to wipe away the stink of the whole, ridiculous temporal fiasco. I'll tune back in next episode to see how it fares.
Oct. 16, 2004, 2:41 a.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
I hope UPN gives Enterprise their walking orders early enough so that Manny Coto can answer this question in the absolutely final episode (whether it is Episode 24, 22 or 13). Those who kept up with this series, and defended it, deserve at least that. (I am not one of them, but speaking out for those who have.)
Oct. 16, 2004, 3:51 a.m. CST
Best damn Sliders episode I've ever seen! Seriously, you've to hand it to Manny for making this cliched plot entertaining; yup, Storm Front Part 2 was better than expected. That's not saying much since poor Manny had to wring some sensible ending for the whole Temporal Cold War nonsense. Although Part 2 was not bad, it was obvious the whole plotline was basically lets-get-this-over-with so we can re-start the show! If Manny can make this Berman & Braga piece of shit entertaining than I am stoked for the rest of Season 4! I read there was 20 percent drop in viewership BUT 80 percent jump for UPN on Friday night, does this make any sense? I figure its a win for UPN since they have had nothing on Friday night but very low rated movies. Anyway, somebody please give me an answer if Nielsen counts a recording the same as viewing...want to do my part in boosting Enterprise ratings but don't want to have to give up going out on Friday night.
Oct. 16, 2004, 11:41 a.m. CST
Anyone care to venture a guess as to who it may be? I think it would be cool if Archer was future guy all along.
Oct. 16, 2004, 1:39 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
...I don't think B&B ever decided on who he is. They have no idea, so anything we theorize here is probably just as valid. It looked to me like FutureGuy was helping humanity and, in particular, Archer, though. I've had the idea for a long while that FG is a human from the Dark Mirror universe whose fucking around with the timeline helps humanity and eventually leads to the creation of the Federation and the Trek timeline as we know it. My idea would be to make FG Archer's son in the Dark Mirror universe. That's what >>I<< would do, I should point out. It's not what I think B&B will come up with. They'll probably come up with something super lame and trite -- like make him the future older version of Archer who is then a member of the temporal council or whatever that ridiculous group is called.
Oct. 16, 2004, 1:44 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
As for why I would make FutureGuy Archer's son: It ties back thematically with the pilot. In the pilot, we learned that Archer is resentful toward the Vulcans for "holding back" both humanity and his father, who was a warp drive engineer. So I would make FutureGuy Archer's future son who has been doing what he can so that neither humanity nor his father, Capt. Archer, are held back by the Vulcans and other alien races. But, alas, I highly doubt this is what B&B have in mind. Prepare to be underwhelmed when they finally reveal who he is when the final episode of Enterprise airs.
Oct. 16, 2004, 5:24 p.m. CST
...to all of you Enterprise haters out there. I loved this episode. Few endings bring a smile to my face like this one did. Of all of the television I watch, which isn't that much with 3 kids to shuttle around to crap every night, Enterprise is one of the couple of shows I don't want to miss. And I hope it stays on for a few more years. You hear that, Paramount? FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! The only thing wrong with it? They never should've changed the theme song. Hopefully they'll restore it to its original glory soon.
Oct. 16, 2004, 6:06 p.m. CST
According to the Fast Nationals, Storm Front Part 2 rated lower than the Fox Friday Night Movie and lost a third of its viewers from last Friday. I'm an optimist and hoping most viewers blew off Part 2 as the last remnant of the B&B era and will tune in for "Home." I think "Home" is the kicker, Manny Coto's first "re-start" episode; no more excuses, if the ratings aren't up next Friday, I think its over for "Enterprise." I know, I know...some people think Brent Spiner's appearance will bring the ratings up and hopefully it will but no disrespect intended, Brent Spiner is not well known outside of Star Trek and hasn't done anything worth mentioning since "Independence Day." The only face that would definitely bring the ratings way up is-no soooprize!-William Shatner! The publicity alone would generate "Broken Bow" ratings...maybe even higher! Alas, Paramount doesn't want to pay Shatner his asking price; Paramount wants to dump Enterprise after they get the magic 100 episodes for syndication and they don't want Shatner to appear knowing full well his appearance will spike up the ratings and may even build up momentum for the rest of the season and the suits will have no choice but to guarantee a Season 5. UPN doesn't want a Season 5, they would rather have another low cost reality show as a filler for Friday night. Not to worry, UPN will not cut the season short no matter how low the ratings get; they need the full 22 to get the syndication number. According to Paramount, they profit approximately $200 million a year on Star Trek and loss in profits due to "Enterpirse" low ratings can be justified for a full Season 4. Pisses me off that piece of shit Voyager got a full seven seasons and Enterprise looks like its dead after May '05! No offense guys, but I could give a shit about Future Guy; he's part of the whole Temporal Cold War Berman&Braga crapfest that set in motion Enterprise's steady decline! They should've concluded TCW early in Season 2 and proceeded with the founding of the Federation, Romulan War, etc. But, we're talking Berman&Braga and they wanted to continue the train wreck of "Voyager." Oh well, I'm still an optimist and will continue to do my small part to help Enterprise...god, I hope I'm right and viewers who blew off Storm Front Part 2 will come back this Friday!
Oct. 16, 2004, 6:14 p.m. CST
Here we are again, arguing the merits of Star Trek: Enterprise. For those, who remonstrate about the failures of the franchise since 1995, we are called trolls (Real Deal throws that word out like used tissue paper). While I believe there are some people who qualify for that moniker, the only real "trolls" are people who have no real interest in Star Trek -they don't watch it or even care that its on; they just come here to piss off people. It's like a conservative coming onto the site to grumble about, say (as an example) a gay movie like the recent Latter Days. The conservative would never see the movie in the first place; they would just come here to spew hate. That is a troll, folks. What we really have here now, is a very divided group of Star Trek fans. But the fans, people, did not create the schism. Indeed, I think we a fell down, sucked into a vortex, into a world of demographics and just piss poor planning. And for those who cannot repute some of our points, please stop saying "It's just a TV show." No, According to Jim, Joey and Fear Factor are just TV shows. To claim TOS and its many spin-off "just a TV show" is the empty rhetoric of a defeated dictatorship. You've fallen -rather blindly -into the demographic trap TV has become. Star Trek has become an icon; its lexicon has been adapted into our feelings, our actions and our way of dealing with life ("Beam me up, Scotty", "Engage", "Warp factor 7", "Fascinating" "Kahnnnnnnnnn"). To say its anything else, it to discount the historical impact it has had on US society. I'm no philosopher, but shows like Star Trek, The Simpsons, The Dick Van Dyke Show, I Love Lucy, All in the Family, The Twilight Zone, The Jeffersons and many more shows have left their imprint on our world. And many of these shows fundamental principles were to educate in an entertaining sort of way. Some were subtler than others were, I grant you, but their ways of life are still being thread into the tapestry of our lives. On the advice of folks like Real Deal and cutesofborg, I sat through Storm Front, Part II before passing a word out of my lips. And like many I kind of saw these first two-episodes as sort of a proving ground for the future, plus see how Manny Coto was going to get out of the hole Berman and Braga through him in. But what I saw was -one of Trek's major flaws since Voyager - was no character growth. Silik told Archer "You've changed," and I thought that's it? For a massive two-part episode, its only coda is that? That is what's passing for character development? Well, jeez, I'm sorry folks, that statement is about as deep ENT and VOY have ever gotten. Still, I will agree that not every episode has to be socially relevant, that not every story is some sort of morality play on the human condition. However, history has proven, that when they do this, the show shines ("how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, how express and admirable in action"). That is what Trek has left behind. Some to this day, still criticizes DS9 for being too dark, and far removed from Roddenberry's vision. It was dark, it was moody, it's captain born to save a race. It took solid risks, but it was known to stumble from time to time. VOY was the anti-DS9. Here was a show that was never going to grow, or change (or as former writer Bryan Fuller put it in Starlog Magazine: "DS9 was much more serialized and character oriented than Voyager. Voyager explored the same facets of the same characters, and that was because of its layout. There was an active resistance on the part of the producers and the studio to any sort of serialized storytelling. So there was a magical, candy-like reset button at the end of every episode. You didn't really see how the characters grew from any given situation." The exception, Fuller admits, was Seven of Nine and the Doctor -both characters that explored humanity to its fullest, and who were his favorite characters to write for. "They kept growing. Although Janeway struggled with her command, you still knew that she was a risk taker and would do what she had to do. You knew that. And Tuvok, within an episode, would change. But by the end, he would settle back down to who he was. That's no much fun. It's not fun for the audience, and it's not fun for the creators. You keep getting caught in the same loop."). Here was a Trek designed around demographics and pure ratings. It was cheapened to appeal to the absentee viewer, and straight white teenage boys. So the series took fewer risks, its stories became thin and about as tangible as air. It forced the fans to take sides. The ones who praise the show, well they are put on a magical pedestal and the ones who complain, well they're trolls and out of step with reality. And we are accused of getting a show cancelled well before its time. Well, TNG went a season too long, and Voyager went about five or six years longer than it should have (maybe, had they produced 22 or 24 episodes a season instead of 26 could've helped reduce some of the poorer ones. I don't know). But it's not the fans, the critics (both professional and non-) who get these shows canned. It's the producers, those bean counters who cannot see beyond the bottom line, who in end, get these shows killed. The critics point out the flaws -some minor, some major -and hope that someone will pay attention (whether that be the viewer or the studio executive) and try to do it less of it. No show is perfect, and I don't expect ENT to be flawless week-in and week-out. However, I do think that because this is a nearly 40 year-old franchise, it should try harder to be what it started out to be. It owes us that much. Still, I will play devils advocate and say that we are living in a different time. The 60's, well, were unique. The last decade of the 90's and the first half of the 21st Century cannot compare to the changes that took place back then, with the exception of the technology boom. But we are in a war again; mired down in political one-upmanship where a conservative president accuses his running mate of being too left -all while not realizing he is just the opposite. So TV is returning to black and white story telling, were the good guys will always get the bad guy by the end of the episode (is there any doubt that the crew of Law & Order and CSI will not?). Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Enterprise (and the last two motion pictures) have been produced under this new demographic mantra. The TCW of ENT is too complex for viewers, they say. I just say they had no idea where the story was going. They made it up, as Indiana Jones once said, as they went along. And because they did not map the show out, much like DS9 was (and what JMS did on Babylon 5), it falls apart rather quickly. I see that, and so do a lot of other fans and critics. We know what this show can be when it tries. And that is what's wrong with it. It doesn't try any more. It thinks it has something to say, but when you boil it down, it's as empty as discarded milk carton. We are not trolls, but we are a bit arrogant. We see a problem and we are trying to help get it fixed. Maybe we pontificate, or maybe we care too much. Star Trek has jumped the track, the shark or however you want to put it. Some of us -in our presumptuous, annoying way -are hoping that we can change your minds a bit. Make you rethink your argument. And come up with a better retort than "its just a TV show"("It's Camelot", "Camelot", "Camelot", "It's just a model"). Real Deal, I can't call you a name, because that would nullify my point. All I ask is someone take the time to actually tell us why this show is still worth watching (though, as I am willing to give Coto a chance). Argue, respectively, what is right with the show (beyond the CGI effects and the cardboard acting of Bakula). Sure the show is well produced, looks pretty and all, but that does not make a show worth watching. Story, content and acknowledgment of its past is what will make this show better (hell, if the writing is good, I can even overlook Bakula's bad acting). Words make a show, not silly, predictable action and age old stereotypes masked to look like social commentary. Star Trek has a legacy to live up too. TOS, TNG and DS9 showed us when you try hard, you get great drama. Sadly, with VOY and now ENT, it has no desire to try hard. The question is, is that the producers fault or the a sad commentary on today's society?
Oct. 16, 2004, 6:43 p.m. CST
by Jim Jam Bongs
I started to skip over the scenes with the gangsters and African-American chick. The problem here is that we know the timeline is going to be restored -- thus, everything these characters are saying to one another and to others are meaningless. All that character development, the friendships they forged while fighting the Nazis -- all that is gone. So why should the viewer even be invested in them, or give a shit about any of them? And then after I watched the concluding half, I just felt...empty -- like, wow, what a waste of time it all was, and quite literally, considering the time-travel nonsense. That's been the problem with these two-parters on VOY and ENT: All this massive build-up in Part 1. But everything feels so wrapped up quickly and easily in Part 2 that you wonder why everything felt like such a big hairy deal in Part 1. Honestly, I felt like they could have edited down the essentials of Parts 1 and 2 into a single one-hour episode. Then we could have just gotten rid of this Alien-Nazis crap in the premiere and immediately moved on. And why do I get this feeling that the next episode is going to be like that post-Borg War episode that TNG did, where Picard was wailing in the vineyards of Falcon Crest? That TNG episode was one of the lowest rated in that show's history! Expect Archer to have a moment of "angst" over how much he has "changed" since the Xindi War. Is the fucker gonna finally break down and cry?
Oct. 16, 2004, 9:01 p.m. CST
... your post stated that the criticisms are brought up to hopefully improve the show, yet I see so many on here hoping for it to be cancelled. Which is it? How many of you want the show cancelled and how many of you want to see it improved? Show of hands... sound off... let your voices be heard in this talkback! Scrap it or Save it?
Oct. 16, 2004, 9:54 p.m. CST
If this was a year ago, I'd say cancel the show! This year, with Manny Coto intending "Enterprise" to be what it was originally supposed to be as a prequel to TOS...HELL NO! DO NOT CANCEL ENTERPRISE! GIVE MANNY THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT! Back in '87, TNG looked like a bomb and didn't hit its stride until late in season 3. Imagine if Paramount gave up on TNG after Season 4? I quit this show after Season but came back mid-season last year; again not a perfect season but I saw the improvements. C'mon Star Trek Enterprise fans, the Temporal Cold War and Storm Front are over, time to move on to the re-start...it may be too little, too late but Manny Coto is giving us what Berman & Braga have long denied us: a true prequel to Star Trek. If Season 4 is indeed the end then so be it, but I'm certain that Season 4 will go out with a bang! C'mon guys, let's give Manny a chance!
Oct. 16, 2004, 10:04 p.m. CST
It was called Chosen Realm and Storm Front pts 1 and 2. Don't expect much more out of him. I certainly don't. As far as what die-hard TRUE Trek fans want, I want this show dead, before it can do any further damage to Trek. I want Berman and Braga fired. Coto too, and every other stupid cunt who is a party to this narrative disaster. TOS, TNG, and DS9 were great thought provoking shows. Enterpoop makes me think about one thing: turning the fucking TV off.
Oct. 16, 2004, 10:17 p.m. CST
There are only three shows on TV I enjoy now and two of them are on at the same time. I hope they keep Enterprise around, but Storm Front was pretty lame. I did enjoy the ending. Glad to see them back to earth and welcomed as heroes. As far as the Temporal Cold War... interesting premise to me even if time travel is over done, but this resolution made little sense. It made no attempt at explaining why this would be the ULTIMATE END! Whatever. I really didn't like it because so many of the bit actors were lame, which is a big problem with Star Trek shows in general... they always choose the most boring, cardboard actors for supporting roles. S3 actually bucked the trend by casting several interesting people in Xindi roles, but Storm Front was more of the same. Fire the fucking casting director... he or she blows.
Oct. 16, 2004, 10:24 p.m. CST
With respect Strabo, Manny himself has stated that "Chosen Realm" was not what he intended the episode to be; the script was "redlined" because Berman & Brage felt "Enterprise" needed another ship-taken-over-and-Archer-is-a-goddamned-wimp episode! And as I posted earlier, "Storm Front" was a Berman & Braga idea, Manny had to salvage it as best he could! Coto has been polite about Berman & Braga, I guess he has to be since they are still(SHUDDER!) technically in charge even though he is now the showrunner. If you read between the lines the chat at StarTrek.com, Manny's past scripts were micro-managed by Braga; he jokingly refers to being hampered by that twit Braga but its obvious it wasn't a joke! Although Part 2 of Storm Watch was mildly entertaining, it should've been crammed in one episode at the end of Season 3 so Season 4 would be a fresh start and promoted as such! Again, no ill will towards you Strabo and I understand your negative feelings my friend, but don't judge Manny on the "soiled goods" he got from Berman & Braga! Next Friday will be a clean slate...forget Storm Front! I know I'm begging here but please give "Home" a chance!
Oct. 17, 2004, 12:40 a.m. CST
by Lezbo Milk
That is the single biggest thing that can be done to fix Trek...both the series and the movies. Imagine how much better the last batch of films would be without the bogus fucking time travel. The Trek television stuff would also benefit from a boycott of time travel bullshit. Leave time travel alone for the love of God!!!
Oct. 17, 2004, 12:41 a.m. CST
by Lezbo Milk
Oct. 17, 2004, 1:05 a.m. CST
You laid out a perfectly thought-out evaluation of ENT and the other Treks. Thank you VERY much! p.s. "Storm Front, Part II" was weak. Weak as four-day-old Sprite. Aliens in Nazi uniforms? (GROAN)
Oct. 17, 2004, 4:27 a.m. CST
by Jim Jam Bongs
I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I do doubt he has that much control over the show. He can probably come up with the initial ideas but B&B have total veto power and can alter whatever ideas he presents. I wouldn't be surprised if Coto did in fact want to wrap up Stormfront in just one episode and then move right into the Brent Spiner three-parter. The first two episodes (and I bet the third) has the strong stench of B&B still. We'll have to wait until the Spiner episode to see if things really will be different, but having to wait three episodes in could be trying to the casual viewer who has already lost much patience with this series, after three seasons.
Oct. 17, 2004, 10:43 a.m. CST
What you watch, and whether or not you tape it, is irrelevent to the Neilsen ratings. Only those households that are selected to provide their viewing habits to Neilsen are counted as a statistical representation of all television viewers. They do so by manually entering data into a log book, or by using a kind of electronic device that is attached to their TV set. Did you really believe that TV viewing habits are recorded from each of the millions of TV sets out there? If you do believe that, I'm curious - do you also wear an aluminum foil liner inside your hat?
Oct. 17, 2004, 11:37 a.m. CST
by Real Deal
I think Manny Coto hasn't even begun to show what he can do with Enterprise. Storm Front Pt's 1 & 2 were designed by B and B to put an end to the TCW thread so Enterprise could get on with something new. I think in the coming weeks things will change on Enterprise a lot. I realize for the more hardcore trolls here ( that just want to gleefully see STE canceled ) nothing would change their tact. They'd still be talking about what they saw in season 1 ( head shakes sadly ).
Oct. 17, 2004, 3:57 p.m. CST
Hi there!!!! Thanks for the kind words, as I believe we can have a great debate about this without lowering ourselves. Real Deal, I respect you, but I want to know why you feel the need to debase yourself by calling many (when it really is only a few) trolls? I sense that no matter how many facts -ratings, interviews with former writers, producers and a few stars -that are presented to you, you'll ignore them. Which, of course, is your right. You're like a smoker who still denies cigarettes causes cancer. I would like to see a post by you explaining the virtues of many the arguments presented here. You seem happy to call people trolls, but you seem to be unreasonable to actually tell why this show rules in your world. Do you ask so little of it? I don't want to see Trek go away, but I can't see it surviving much longer unless someone decides to undo what Berman and Braga (or the network or demographics) have done to the franchise since 1995. I watched all seven seasons of VOY and have watched all of ENT. I will support it and will hope that with Manny Coto now as showrunner he can do the job. But the logical side of the brain tells me he has more against him than just a large group of pissed off fans. Ratings is going to be the key here. ENT will need to blow the lid off Friday nights to get a fifth season. Based on the first two episodes, that's not happening. While, in the short run, stunt casting can only but help, it is still the WORDS that will make the show a success. We need to know more about Archer -other than the punching bag he's become - and only through character growth and plots and stories that engage a viewer to watch is going to turn it around. Berman and Braga ruined this franchise by capitualting to demographics and the UPN network. This franchise had power at one time, and it did get away with many things (it was lucky they got away with the exploding head in TNG episode Conspiracy. Today it could still get away with it, but not without a warning for graphic violence). The other factor here is cost. The show is being produced in the red and you cannot produce another season that way. UPN could move the show, but to where? Wednesday where it died week-in and week-out? Monday, where VOY started? That night proved to be just as weak, going up against -in some markets, Monday Night Football, let alone CBS' stronghold on that night. Tuesday has proven difficult for any series UPN has put there and Thursday has quickly become a battle between CBS and NBC. ABC has done little and the WB puts cheap reality programs or movies. ENT is stuck with a network that does not want it and nobody else wants it because it comes with too much bagage. Coto really needs to make the stories of the next 20 or so episodes the strongest since TNG and DS9. He will need to surpass them to get the ratings up. Brent Spiner will help, of that I have no doubt. He's at 4th down and long. I feel the hail Mary pass coming on. But does the series have enough fans -the ones with the Neilson boxes - in the endzone to catch the ball?
Oct. 17, 2004, 5:47 p.m. CST
rite4u, I think the aluminum foil liner did screw up my brain...you're right, the only ratings that count are the folks with the Nielsen boxes! Sorry guys, had a brainfart, thanks for setting me straight...I feel like an @$$hole!
Oct. 17, 2004, 7:11 p.m. CST
Future Guy's identity has to be personal to Archer. If it's not personal to him, I don't care who FG is. I know some people have suggested that FG is Archer's half vulcan son--and I can even see how they might have been setting that up with T'Pol--but I think something like that deserves a grander treatment than a mere two-parter like Storm Front. I agree with Herc, don't be fooled by Daniels's promise that the TCW is over. They left themselves enough room to bring it back. At least we might get a solid season without it now. I'm sorry Silik can't be a major villain in the non-time travel part of the show, he had a good villainous way about him. I suspect he'll return however, the same as Daniels. ___________________ Great post, Electric_Monk. I agree with a lot of what you said. I will admit, I've read a few things about the upcoming season that intrigue me, so I'm not through with Enterprise. But I think that Storm Front was a bad way to start what is most likely going to be a make-it-or-break-it season. I saw the same "yeah the premiere sucked, but just you wait" promises with Voyager, and it never came together. Time will tell, but I'm sick of having to say that.
Oct. 18, 2004, 12:06 a.m. CST
If you want Star Trek- REAL Star Trek and not this B&B bullshit- then go to newvoyages.com and watch the first two episodes. The show is executive produced by Eugene Roddenberry Jr. and is more true to Trek's legacy than anything B&B ever cranked out without Roddenberry.
Oct. 18, 2004, 1:48 a.m. CST
I gather Future guy was supposed to tie in to the incredible drama and world-shaking secret revelation that was Star Trek Nemesis-- but then they changed the storyline and whatever they were thinking for Futureguy got obsoleted. I have that thing on DVD somewhere, but I honestly can't remember if I ever watched the ending. I don't think they ever figured out anything for Future Guy beyond the original dropped idea. I hadn't thought about it, but this latest Enterpise ep DID feel like a mediocre Dr. Who.
Oct. 18, 2004, 8:37 a.m. CST
by Real Deal
Wel I don't think you are a Troll but there are genuine certified Trolls at work here who just come to Bash Enterprise because it's a safe target. It may surprise you to hear that I believe this will be the last season of Enterprise also. I think there's too much momentum behind the bashing. I think though that it will have the best stories of the show and 4 years isn't a bad run. Heck after 4 years even TNG was mostly repeating itself.
Oct. 19, 2004, 8:38 p.m. CST
by Noriko Takaya
And yeah, I'm looking at you, cutestofborg (love that name, btw). I mean, I adore Attack of the Clones but I don't believe that people who think it is shit are the spawn of Satan. It's all just light entertainment, nothing to get worked up over. As for Enterprise, while the first couple of seasons have. . .well, not been what they could be, it is still too early to write it off just yet. Seasons 1-3 or 4 of Next Gen and DS9 (my fave Trek next to TOS) were also crappy, but then they took off. Judging by that barometer this should be the year Enterprise really starts to kick ass. With Mr. Coto involved that's all the more likely. One hopes. Toppu o Nerae!