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Published at: Oct. 8, 2004, 9:52 a.m. CST by staff

I am – Hercules!!

Talk about bad precedents. NBC moved Kirk/Spock/Bones version of “Star Trek” to Fridays in 1968. The show floundered, and its third season turned out to be its last.

Guess where UPN has scheduled the Archer/T’Pol/Trip version this season?

To aggravate matters, tonight’s first half of the two-hour “Storm Front” is too busy digging the show out of last season’s shockeroo cliffhanger to do much else, and there just isn’t anything here we couldn’t have predicted after having seen the red-eyed extraterrestrial in the Nazi uniform last May. Hopefully next week’s 4.2 will rally as new showrunner Manny Coto & Co. set out to finally resolve the “temporal cold war” storyline introduced in the “Enterprise” pilot four years ago.

With 4.3, Coto gets on with his mission to sniff around the pre-Kirk Alpha Quadrant, as the crew returns to what’s left of 22nd century Earth.

4.4-4.6 brings us a three-hour prequel to “Space Seed” with Brent “Data” Spiner returning to play imprisoned eugenics maven Arik Soong. It’d be cool if, confronted with Archer’s tough questioning, Soong complains to the captain that he “grows fatigued.”

4.7-4.9 moves the action to sunny Vulcanis, where T’Pol’s surprisingly emotional race fusses and feuds so persuasively the desert planet is brought to the brink of civil war. T’Pau, who will later officiate at Spock’s divorce, turns up. So does the planet’s long-dead messiah, Surak.

4.10 then introduces us to the troubled inventor of the transporter (played, if there’s any justice, by Jeff Goldblum), who has a plan to render all starships, including the NX-01, obsolete.

So even if tonight’s installment is a snore, I’m sticking around to see what else they come up with. But, really, what matters Herc’s opinion?

Entertainment Weekly gives tonight's installment a “C-” and says:

… After saving Earth by destroying the evil Xindi's superweapon (don't ask), Captain Archer awakes to find himself in 1940s Brooklyn. Only in this reality, WWII has made its way onto American soil, which is teeming with Nazis who're in bed with (metaphorically, thank God) time-travelling aliens. …

TV Guide gives it a 4 (out of 10) and says:

… the wooden crew returns to Earth … only to be trapped in a clichéd World War II movie … It doesn’t take escaped POW Archer (Scott Bakula) to join the resistance, led by ridiculously stereotyped mobsters. This hokey scenario is all too easy to resist.

USA Today gives it one star (out of four) and says:

Paramount is determined to keep the Star Trek name in front of the public. And never mind how much damage this dull, misbegotten enterprise does to the franchise. … returns with a ludicrous time-travel story, bereft of both creativity and taste. To its usual mix of bland characters and indecipherable plots Enterprise adds alien Nazis …

Yikes. But talk about irony. In his review of tonight’s episode, USA Today TV critic Robert Bianco also writes:

It would be different if the ratings-and-quality-deprived Enterprise had been saved by some sudden, mass outpouring of fan support … But no. Enterprise plods on, despite overwhelming national disinterest …

But there was such a sudden outpouring of support – this April in - USA Today. A piece authored by Bianco’s fellow entertainment writer Gary Levin revealed that this year’s USA Today “Save Our Show” survey hailed the latest “Star Trek” spinoff as far and away the “on the bubble” show viewers most wanted to keep around.

It wasn’t even close. “Star Trek: Enterprise” reaped a record 70 percent of the vote, garnering almost twice the support of runner-up “Arrested Development.” One can read more about the survey results in Levin’s USA Today piece here. Clearly, more want “Enterprise” to continue than want it to go away.

So. Relentless “Enterprise” trolls. You must stop with your annoying nerd moaning. Just stop watching “Enterprise.” Migrate to “Andromeda” or “Battlestar: Galactica” or “Lexx” or “Babylon 5” encores. If it makes you feel better, pretend UPN cancelled “Enterprise” and replaced it with “America’s Top Model.”

See? Doesn’t that feel better? Now you can watch “Joan of Arcadia” or “Eight Simple Rules” or “Dateline NBC” or “What I Like About You” tonight instead. When you decide in ten years you miss “Star Trek” again, maybe it’ll still be there, waiting for you.

Certainly, one substandard episode does not unravel all the improvement we saw last season. In Steve Krutzler’s excellent Trekweb interview with Coto, the new showrunner confides:

“My vision is to try to fulfill what I think is ENTERPRISE’s promise, which is to create a truly prequel series. And that is beginning to tie ENTERPRISE into the overall STAR TREK canon and to really use the opportunity that we have to create stories that give us a glimpse into the formation of the STAR TREK universe.”

Who knows? We might even learn why, 100 years after the Archer era, the Klingons all look like Rich Vos.

8 p.m. Friday. UPN.

I am – Hercules!!





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  • Oct. 8, 2004, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Good Luck Enterprise!

    by CeeWulf

    I don't care what the critics say, I hope this premiere turns out well. It's not the best Trek, but I wish it luck.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 10 a.m. CST

    I'm first?

    by CeeWulf

    Hey, wow, that's some kind good thing, right? I mean, everyone seems to make a big deal about it.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 10:02 a.m. CST

    I am actually looking forward to the season opener, AS DESCRIBED

    by FluffyUnbound

    TV Guide can call it cliched all they want. I really LIKE a cliched "Aliens help Nazis to almost win WWII" storyline. Who cares if it's cliched? I could watch a new movie using all the zombie cliches once a week.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 10:08 a.m. CST

    So let me get this straight...

    by Childe Roland

    ...because a handful of hopeful Trekkies bothered to respond to a survey that most of the nation didn't even know existed and stated their already well-known opinion that bad Trek is better than no Trek, those of us who remember good Trek shouldn't express our outrage at the travesty this new show has made of a once beloved franchise? That makes great sense, Herc. You know, thousands of Klansmen turn out for hate rallies every year. Maybe we should all just close our eyes and ignorantly condone violence against blacks and Jews and non-white, non-Christians? I know it's an exaggerated metaphor, but the logic is identical. Because a vocal minority has expressed an opinion, the disapproving majority should shut up and accept it as correct. Either you really are an idiot (or you believe everyone else is, which is essentially the same thing) if you think that logic is going to fly.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 10:22 a.m. CST

    awesome

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    Herc... I have got to hand it to you... sometimes (like when we are on the same page) you can be less an ass. Good show, twink.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Enterprise '80

    by 1/2aShandy

    Has anyone else noticed how similar this current Enterprise storyline is to the Battlestar

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 11:46 a.m. CST

    In the immortal words of...

    by flave

    ...Mr. Book in Dark City: "SHUT IT DOWN! SHUT IT DOWN FOREVER!" Dark City: Now that's how scifi ought to be done. Someone please beat Rick Berman over the head with a clue stick. Violently. Repeatedly.

  • Anyone who thinks STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE is going to have a Season 5 is in serious need of a frontal lobotomy. (That, or they already had one...) Just 22 shows to make it to that "Magic Number 100" for syndication and that will be it for STAR TREK. It's a shame, because this could have been such a great series, but when the producers can't even tell when their theme song is bad, let alone the writing and acting for a good portion of the actual episodes, you know this series was ultimately destined for failure. Me, I'm just trying to figure out who Ensign Travis Mayweather pissed off so that he only gets one or two lines of dialogue an episode. Oh, yeah...DOCTOR WHO in '05, baby!

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Fucking Comcast CABLE and Paramount

    by Russman

    20 years ago I could watch one channel and tape another. And now that can't be done because I have to use the fucking cable box to get a signal.. so I can't even watch this show because I'll be watching something else at 8. Agrrrr!! Assholes!

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 12:13 p.m. CST

    man, what stinks...?

    by The Killer-Goat

    Oh yeah, the cliffhanger. I stopped watching the show at the beginning of the seond season 2 because the temporal crap was getting waaaayyyy too easy for the writers to squeeze out. Then I decide to tune in and see how they wrap the war with the [Xindi] and what do I get? Fucking Alien Nazis, goddammit, that's what!!! No. Way. In. Hell. The brainstormer for that child needs a lobotomy fast, before they scar another franchise. A goofy premise like that would have worked GREAT in old Trek, but we're hundreds of years beyond it now, baby. And what about that crap episode with Archer and T'Pol going (conveniently) to Earth, 2004. W.T.F!!! Man.... here's hoping that after they wipe that vomit off the floor, this guy Manny can bring back all the right reasons for a 'prequel' series in the first place.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 12:24 p.m. CST

    These are the kinds of shows they should've been doing all along

    by Voice O. Reason

    Apparently it took them three years to realize prequels should somehow tie in with the original. See, guys, you were supposed to be telling the story of how the Federation and Starfleet came to be! I'm still hoping to see the Romulan War and the founding of the Federation, but my hopes aren't high.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Enterprise is good its the "fans" who suck.

    by Falcon5768

    I am a LONG time trek fan. While I am only 23 I watched re-runs of TOS on Channel 11 back when I was 3-4 on a Black and White TV in my kitchen with my dad. I watched TAS on Nick. I had all the movies on tape and watched all the incarnations of trek up to and including the train wreck that was Voys last few seasons... And you know which series comees close to the original feel of TOS... Enterprise. Seriously... granted the storys have been redone again and again on all the 24th century shitfests, The only time they actually where interesting was on Enterprise. There isnt some bald headed twit in charge, no fing space station, no evil CIA like secret group, No chick captain who kills borg for a good laugh. There is sex, love, cheezy but good storylines, a little more lightheartedness to the story and for once a sense of seeing something new while still getting to see the races we loved like the Andorians (who pretty much dissapeared in TNG with just a few fleating references) and the Klingons. YES B&B sucked it up bad, but unlike 24th century trek there is some feeling to these stories.. Hell you have a captain right now whos not afraid to get dirty and space a few aliens or rip off a ship to save the greater good. You have a Vulcan whos falling appart because emotionns arebeing introduced slowly into their society (hint its the Romulans ;) )We have a show where the damage ISNT fixed next week. Hell after 3 years they have only managed to use that transorter 8 times when everyone was positive they would fall back on it. So why does trek "suck" cause there are a lot of moron fans who dress up and pretend they are Captain Dork who dont know shit about telling a decent story, but know whoever does it is wrong. Has anyone READ any of the fan shit out there... these people couldnt write themselves out of a paper bag and they THINK they know a good story. They have all grown up with the jaded Trek is a philosophy view and its WRONG. TREK IS A TV SHOW AND NOTHING MORE. Yes its good we now have TOS fans writing trek, but you know what.... THEY CAN WRITE! You cant, so take your bald frenchman captain and shove it

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Season THREE was awesome...this season will rule too...these rev

    by aceattorney

    They know jack

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 12:51 p.m. CST

    There was 'improvement' last season?

    by NNNOOO!!!

    I pretty much gave up after the Season 2 finale, when it became evident that the plan was to UPNify the series into an action show. I say 'pretty much' because I still tuned in last year, hoping that the writers had some cool twist planned that would show they were making a satirical comment on paranoid foreign policy. No such luck, and Hoshi only got out of uniform twice. And AITOO that's noticed that whenever there's a bunch of characters sitting around a table arguing, the writers seem to have merely transcribed their latest story conference and put it in the script?

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 1:29 p.m. CST

    stop calling it a fucking franchise! call it a

    by scrumdiddly

    legacy or something, seriously... that word is sickening, and it's one reason the whole thing has become so ***BAD***! on another note, ahaha good riddence enterprise, hope they move you to 25:00

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Let me get this straight, Falcon5768...

    by The Killer-Goat

    you're saying that even though these stories have been done to death in the previous series, that for some reason they seem 'fresh' and 'better' on Enterprise? I would only give the writers HALF the credit, seeing as how good actors and cinematography comprise the delivery half. Dude, for all we know, lots of B&Bs ideas may have worked out if they had a clue how to direct or present them in the right fashion. Trek fans ARE jaded, for the very same reasons you pointed out... we've seen it all before. Fucking Alien Nazis? Jesus. Give the geek audience some credit for having actually owned a television for the last 2 or 3 decades since TOS aired. The Enterprise cast has the chops to own their characters, far better than the Voyager crew fared, but only if the writers give them something good to work with. Putting parsely in a bowl of crap don't make it taste better. So you better make your run a good one, Manny! The clock is on!

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 2:08 p.m. CST

    The geek speaks

    by DrLektor

    Problem is Falcon5768, the Romulans have already been introduced, granted all we got was a ship and a threatening voice, but still. Those guys split from vulcan in the distant past right? I quite like the theme of Enterprise myself, I'm a big Star Trek fan anyway and Voyager was *my* low point. These last few seasons of Enterprise fill my fanboy heart with some peculiar type of happiness. And after all, nobody has to watch it, just bitch and moan in talkback, roll on the new season, Woo.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Stoooopid Cable!

    by prickle28

    I would have liked to watch Enterprise tonight but the Angles and Red Sox are playing.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 2:43 p.m. CST

    I'll tell you what's wrong with Enterprise!

    by LydiaDeitz

    It's missing one thing - fun! The show is no fun whatsoever. I've been watching a LOT of episodes of original Trek, TNG, and DS9 on cable and they all had humor, jokes, light-hearted episodes, and witty banter. Enterprise has none of that. It just wants to be Aliens every week and the actors take themselves soooo seriously. And get rid of the stupid widescreen already.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 2:51 p.m. CST

    with as bad as Enterpoop is...

    by Strabo

    ...I'd rather NOT have a Star Trek series on the air than have one that is this horrible. It'd be nice if Manny Coto were the savior the err, less mentally endowed Enterpoop fans think he'll be, unfortunately, after last season's episode "Chosen Realm"--which Coto authored--I find it highly doubtful. Please, Paramount, let Enterpoop run 'til 100 episodes, then cancel it. That way you'll get your magic number for syndication. Then FIRE Berman, Braga, and Coto. Find someone new. Bring back Michael Piller, Ira Steven Behr, Rene Echevarria, and Ronald D. Moore. I'm sure some of Joss Whedon's Buffyverse alumnae would be a great fit too. Then give us something new. Either 24th century, or later. And completely ignore EVERYTHING done in Enterpoop. After they prove they can handle Trek properly, let them bring back Sisko! The Prophets still have work to do.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to wrapping up the TCW. Even looking forward mo

    by Tall_Boy

    I mean, he's SUCH a great writer, considering how Gwen Stacy fucked the Green Goblin.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I've seen every episode..

    by JAGUART

    And was giving it a fair shake, and even enjoying it, however bland and cannonless it could be. Then episode 3X21 called "E2" aired and I totally lost interest and got nauseated, that shitty episode taking the wind right of out my already luffing sails. I haven't been able to watch the last three Season 3 episodes ever since.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 4:31 p.m. CST

    I'm with Cee Wolf

    by joe brady

    I know this isn't a great show, and in fact I haven't really paid attention to any Trek stuff since Next Generation, but I have a little soft spot for Enterprise. Or maybe a hard spot for Jolene Blalock.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Another bad sign: They're shooting this entire season on high de

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    That's not a good sign. Not even the crapola Andromeda shoots on video.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 5:59 p.m. CST

    A stunt casting suggestion: They should have a crossover episode

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    Have an episode of Top Model focus on the girls needing to compete for a small speaking role in an episode of Enterprise. The losers get to be extras in the background who don't say a line. The characters they're all playing could be exotic alien dancers, and Janice Dickenson could play a very camped up mistress to these women -- I could see "the world's first supermodel" camping it up like a character from TOS. I'm not joking about this at all. Top Model fans would tune in to Enterprise to check out the completed episode, while Enterprise viewers (the two gus on this board) would check out Top Model to watch this behind the scenes stuff. Unfortunately, scheduling logistics might prevent this from happening. They could only do this with the spring season of Top Model (which is currently being shot), and the Enterprise episode with the Top Models would air before the Top Model episode featuring the audition.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 6 p.m. CST

    so...william shatner is in a tacky breakfast cereal tv ad

    by scrumdiddly

    here in the uk... why would he do one here? why do one at all? hmmm

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 6:09 p.m. CST

    you do realise, don't you...enterprise will outlast farscape

    by scrumdiddly

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 6:23 p.m. CST

    yeah, this returns, but no angel this season.

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    there is no justice!

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 7:08 p.m. CST

    HD

    by Real Deal

    " Jim Jam Bongs Subject: Another bad sign: They're shooting this entire season on high definition video to save money and time... Comment: Back Home That's not a good sign. Not even the crapola Andromeda shoots on video. " Uh, well HD is the waive of the future. It looks as good or better than film. A lot of movie companies have gone to this including the filming for the new SW movies. Look for another sign.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Real Deal: We have a difference of opinion here. I think HD vide

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    Just my opinion.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 8:26 p.m. CST

    TV guide poll

    by cooper2000

    You know all the trekies stuffed the ballot box on that poll. If there were that many people who watched the show it wouldnt be on the bubble in the first place. God I wish they would have brought Angel back and put this in the Starship graveyard.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 8:29 p.m. CST

    This week on Hoshi's Heroes...

    by Mutant Leader

    S C H U L T Z!!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 8:48 p.m. CST

    the highlight...

    by cooper2000

    of Enterprise for me, was the Premiere when you get to see Trips boner while in the decontamination chamber.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Maybe Manny Coto is trying to tie this WWII timeline with TOS...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    The history of TOS itself is set in a timeline that doesn't exist in our reality either. Coto has the opportunity to take effects of this altered WWII parallel timeline and have them directly lead to historical events in the TOS history that never happened in our actual history.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 8:58 p.m. CST

    What this show needs...

    by Trik

    is lizard nazis from the future and outer space, yeah, thats the ticket. --- Fire whoevers idea this was.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Russman

    by Mad_Radhu

    I've got comcast too, and through the technological marvel that is the 1000 Hz coax cable splitter, I can run a cable line into my VCR and record my shows while I'm watching another on my digital cable. It only works with the first hundred analog channels, though, but it's not really an issue with HBO or Showtime thanks to all the new shows being on InDemand the following week. Oh yeah, if anyone else here is living in Seattle, 107.7 The End is going to be playing some of Shatner's new CD tonight at 7:30PM. most likely the "I Can't Get Behind That" song with Henry Rollins. It'll make a great lead-in to Enterprise (which I still haven't decided if I'm going to waste my time watching yet).

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Question: Did they EVER reveal the identity of Future Guy?

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I quit watching the show after Season 1, and now I read that next episode will be the conclusion of the Temporal Cold War. What happened to Future Guy?

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 10:01 p.m. CST

    the fate of future guy post season one...

    by Strabo

    ...is that they completely forgot about him. He and the Suliban make two or three appearances in season two, and then are COMPLETELY ABSENT in season three. Apparently the SULIBAN weren't an obvious enough analogy for the TALIBAN and Al Qaida for the mostly brain-dead Enterpoop audience--like Herc and Falcon5768, morans willing to accept whatever drivel Berman & Braga see fit to serve up--so they had to make an even MORE obvious analogy with the Xindii attacking Florida. So, they turned a show with one of the most democratic messages ever, one of peace and equality between not just all sects of humanity, but between all sentient life, into a blatantly apologetic paean for the Republicans and their morally bankrupt doctrine of preemptive action against enemies that pose no threat to us.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Star Trek XII: so very tired

    by DrLektor

    Future guy's identity never got revealed but if they're tying up all the loose ends I'm sure he'll show up. My guess is it's Daniels himself, playing Archer like a sucker, or they'll throw something unexpected into the mix, didn't someone say future guy looked like he had pointed ears? Maybe they'll bring in Archer / T'poll's son, or maybe Tucker and T'poll's if that storyline plays out. I think it's nice they're bringing more and more classic Trek references into it, if the show lasts a few more seasons I reckon it'll turn into something truly great.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 10:26 p.m. CST

    ...Vulcanis?

    by Johnny Smith

    Isn't the Vulcan homeworld called, um, Vulcan?

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Strabo's sentiments

    by Johnny Smith

    You put it perfectly, and I agree wholeheartedly. Nice job.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 10:43 p.m. CST

    As bad as Enterprise is...

    by Trik

    It's still 1000x better than Andromeda. --- At least Enterprise isn't about a pompus blowhard pontificating endlessly. --- Every Andromeda episode is made up of one bigus momentimus stacked on another. --- At least what they seem to strive for. --- And always fail at. --- One statemus maximus profundmus after another. --- Andromeda is the most vapid thing I've ever seen.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 11:08 p.m. CST

    scrumdiddly

    by proper

    It's funny to see the Shat in a bran product advert.

  • Oct. 8, 2004, 11:35 p.m. CST

    VOYAGER ALREADY FUCKING DID THIS!!!!!!!!!

    by Battousai

    At least do it in World War I!!!!! God can Braman and Braga get more fucking pathetic? Lets just get it over with and open a wormhole next to fucking Earth and have the Dominion be on the other side. Any Trek fan that supports this crap is a moron. The best part of this Enterprise episode was seeing the Veronica Mars promos. Swear to God.

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 1:28 a.m. CST

    The Berman/Braga schism, Coto, Real Deal and the end of Trek

    by Electric_Monk

    The funny part of this whole thing is no understands the schism that Berman and Braga created when Voyager was launched in 1995. On one side, we have fans who would follow Trek no matter where it goes. People like Real Deal - a decade older than me - who ignores her past. Much the same way B & B do concerning TOS. Both have been very verbal on their dislike for that show, so they've really gone out of their way to place the blame of Voyager's many failures on those who loved TOS, TNG and DS9. As far as I can see it, Star Trek began with TNG. But, because they had little hand in actually driving TNG -well, until 1991 anyway - they were stuck with what we got. DS9 presented a new chance to further forget TOS and even part a bit from TNG. But then Paramount wanted to start a network, and lured B & B to begin work on another series. This left DS9 to grow better after two uneven seasons. Voyager went well out of its way to forget established continuity and thusly began the fan split. Voyager broke all the rules, and not in a good way. It brought us a terrible lead actress in the form of Kate Mulgrew, a boring cast of crew members -the astonishingly talent-free Ethan Philips, and the rebel without a clue on how to act, Robert Duncan Something. Plus it broke the cardinal rule of TV show production, it didn't believe it's own premise. With the alienation of the fans growing, like all people who ignore bad press, B & B blames the fans. I mean, they thought they were producing the best damn Star Trek ever. So the ratings were off a bit? There were fans out there, and they were writing to the Star Trek Communicator magazine and reaping praise. And the ones who complained, the ones who pointed out the errors, well, they were living in the past. This was the late 1990's and the Trek of the 1960's, the late 80's and the early 90's was gone. It was old fashion, yesterday's news -well, at least the way Berman and Braga must've felt. And there were fans who agreed with this. They ignored Voyagers short comings, all because they wanted Star Trek on TV. They simpley forgot how good it was, and lived in a world with blinders. Voyager good, DS9 sucky and TNG, well, that show hasn't aged very good. Now we Enterprise, and once again, fans like Real Deal reap praise on a show that is even more boring -Scott Bakula is a dull as a winters day and the the rest of crew's acting verge from the mild to the horrendous - than Voyager. Berman and Braga created a prequel not based on TOS ( a show, need I remind you, they hated -and that's public record) but on TNG. You see, if you except that TOS never happened, ENT's continuity issues go away. This has to be Berman and Braga's attempt all along. And it almost worked. But the smarter fans, the ones who have supported Trek for nearly 40 years (and that includes Real Deal) said we want a return to what made Trek so good. The humor, the fondness for a little creativity, and a chance to say something. But there are fans like Real Deal who still ignore the logic holes, the bad acting -both Mulgrew and Bakula make Shatner look almost brilliant - the hacked directing and pointless plots. They say that this is the future of Trek. That this is way better than TOS, TNG and DS9. That Enterprise even makes up for some of the few disappointments of VOY (which some are finally admitting, kinda of blew chunks). Many Coto has spent the entire summer telling fans that season four was finally going to bring ENT in line with TOS. It was like they suddenly realized TOS existed. Wow, imagine that. And after years of former writers/directors and producers talking bad about Berman and Braga well after the shows have gone onto syndication heaven, one actress has stepped up and is willing (with out actually saying bad things about the 2 B's) to say that things are not that great on the Paramount lot. Of course, Blalock's main complaint has been about the direction of her character who's become, in her own words, "an emotionl flozzy". But beneath her words, you detect a simple disaffection with the show, how despotic under the two B's the franchise has become. She now heaps praise on Coto,who does have a very large mountain to climb (no, not the lame and predictable WB show). While I found tonights opener a groaner -I couldn't get Voyager's The Killing Game out of my mind, Coto is just trying to get out of the hole Berman and Braga left him in. I will waiting to pass judgment after the two-part opener and as the series (hopefully) begins to further get closer to TOS. While the stunt casting of Brent Spiner -and eventually William Shatner - can bring up the ratings, it still comes down to writting. If the words, and the story are good, then it can succeed. If, however, the show panders to teenage boys who don't even care this show is on, and tells one snooker story after another, its doomed to end it's run in May 2005. Oh, wait a second, it IS ending in May 2005. Sorry, Real Deal, you may have the power now to rally a few fans in support, but in the end, this show was doomed since last May when it barely got renewed. There is no way this show can be saved. 100 episodes by May of next year. Enough to syndicate. The hands of fate have swung and you've lost. And I've made everyone fall asleep with such a long rant. Sorry.

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 1:45 a.m. CST

    You nailed it Electric Monk

    by Battousai

    All good points. Berman and Bragga have been making such idiotic and incompetent decisons and Trek fans haven't reacted as strongly as I would have expected. I mean Enterprise went through Klingons, Ferengi, Borg, and their original crappy species. They're about to show how desperate they having guest stars like Brent Spiner and Shatner. They've copied every other story from TNG and Voyager.

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Offtopic sorta : Space 1999

    by Dr Farragammo

    Am I the only one that thinks Space1999 was one of the coolest sci-fi shows? Martin Landau and a creepy 70's sci fi vibe. I loved it!

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Holy Crap!!!

    by TommyBCat

    I read all of the rants and raves about how horrible the season 4 opener was and you know what...??? I thought it was really good. If you don't like the show then don't watch it. There really isn't anything you can do about it anyways. If the show gets cancelled, then that is that...if it doesn't, then we get another year or more. One thing I could never figure out on these boards is all the people who hate and despise Enterprise but have watched every episode. Personally, I'm looking forward to the 5th season of Enterprise. In fact, don't be suprised if it makes all 7 seasons.

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 2:57 a.m. CST

    by DouglasAH

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Voyager's KILLING GAME >>>> Ent's STORM FRONT

    by Tall_Boy

    I'm only 8 minutes into Storm Front, but yah, Voy's KILLING GAME rocked. Kilgons vs. Nazis. Tell me that wasn't the coolest thing ever in Trek history, ever?

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Actually agree with Herc again...

    by ZeroCorpse

    It's getting more frequent, but I'm agreeing with Herc. Enterprise is DEAD and deservedly so. If they had been true to Roddenberry's Trek, and made things look and feel like the original series, I'd at least have some respect for them, but thei B&B revisionist crap is annoying and has to be stopped. I encourage all real Trek fans to check out newvoyages.com for some trek that's true to the original ideals. These guys are doing good work, and although you have to understand they're treating the characters as being like classic theatrical characters which can be reinterpreted a bit, they have captured the flavor of Star Trek a lot better than B&B ever did. I'm no Trekker (or Trekkie) but I know bad TV when I see it, and Enterprise has been consistant in badness.

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 4 a.m. CST

    Oh.. I guess I don't REALLY agree with Herc after all..

    by ZeroCorpse

    I read the whole article this time! (grin) and I see Herc was telling those of us who hate Enterprise to just pretend it's dead. OK. Works for me. I started doing that in the third episode.

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 7:20 a.m. CST

    SPACE NAZI'S? GIVE ME STRENGTH! HOW STUPID IS BERMAN!

    by Noell

    Space Nazi's?? THIS pathetic cliche is supposed to get ratings? Is Rick Berman really that stupid? How about a decent story for once.

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Time to go to that great Federation in the sky

    by nexxus7

    This show has pretty much been a letdown since it began. Not just for those who wished for its doom since day one, or those who continue to trash it week after week, but also for the die-hard hopefuls who hold onto the franchise with white knuckles and continue to talk up what has got to be the blandest trek of them all (and after Voyager who would have thought that was possible?). Bad song opening, the problems started with 1: a weak premise -- doesn't it sort of look like one ship kinda clunking around there. If it was going to be about founding the federation, it should have done a better job of balancing the awe and wonder of discovery with the risks of venturing out into space, introducing "new" technology along the way, forming the political basis, having to "bitch-slap" an enemy every once in a while. I personally think that instead of just jumping out there and launching a series, Paramount would have been better off doing a series of movies/mini-series where they could have tested out different premises, a Starfleet Academy mini-series, different ships and crews set in different eras, a Trek 3000 set in the further future, etc. Now, to me those would have been cool events that could easily have spawned a superior series or even two. 2: weak characterizations -- the character design of this show looks like something they came up with after everything else was done. I'll bet the back stories on each of them is no more than a few paragraphs long. That's why they are completely uninteresting. Then things continues to be compounded by: 3: hum-drum (and safe) casting -- does anyone else think that the top three white guys are pretty much visually interchangeable, the token Asian girl and black dude are basically there to say "we got an Asian girl and a black dude", the doctor looks like a dufus in typical trek appliance makeup, and of course they had to throw in that hot Borg chick 7 of 9 ... er, I mean hot Vulcan chick. If you think about it, TOS really had the most exotic casting of them all -- a skirt chashing, swaggering captain, a green-blooded, pointed eared alien, a country doctor, a drunken scotsman, a hot African chick, a ruskie teen idol, and a fun-loving japanese dude--and that was 40 years ago! TNG started off PC, but much of its cast grew on you, except the bland women, once DS9 got its traction and Avery Brooks shaved his head again, the casting was both edgy and interesting. 4: bland art direction -- who would have thought that cardboard flats and paper mache rocks could have looked more interesting than the millions of dollars spent on a claustrophobic ship set, and technically brilliant but essentially ho-hum CGI. I keep thinking why don't they just do an episode where they pull into spacedock and someone says "okay time for a re-fit" and they finally brighten up the sets and add some TOS-style color. And put some other cool looking ships out there. And the problems continue with: 5: Uninteresting aliens in poor makeup. I really haven't been following the show, but those Xindi seem to be rediculous -- one race look like the troll dolls, one looks like the villians from that spoof movie Tim Allen did, human with your typical trek alien face appliance, manatees, and of course giant bugs. To me the Andoreans should have been tall and thin because that's kind of what was done in TOS. Instead these look like regular guys with blue makeup and animated antennae. Anyway, there is more of course. It's not so much that the show is horrible, it's just bland, dissapointing, and a waste of an opportunity to do something people would have really enjoyed. I actually do think this new runner will improve the show by tying it to TOS, and a campaign that says "Remember All Those Great Things You Loved About Trek? (montage of Orion Slave Girl, Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans, Shatner, Spiner) ... They're Back!" ad campaign may spike the ratings a bit, but my guess it will be short-lived. I think B&B are probably hoping it'll let them hold on long enough to keep getting checks for a couple more years (talk about making a liking by turning a franchise into mush)--which will have them getting syndi royalty checks for the rest of their lives. I'd prefer this to be the last year. Let it rest up for a year or two, then come back with some mini-series that can inject some life into the franchise and expand the mythos, not humble it. Sure, I'll probably eventually get this on DVD and watch episodes at my leisure (there will probably be a few that pleasantly surprise me), but then again I haven't been able to shell out any cash for Voyager yet.

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 9:16 a.m. CST

    HD ( again )

    by Real Deal

    " Jim Jam Bongs Subject: Real Deal: We have a difference of opinion here. I think HD video looks like shit -- it still looks like video no matter how much they try to make it look like film in post production. Comment: Back Home Just my opinion. " Well fortunately you're in the minority. But if you really like the inherit flaws, drifting color balance etc. so be it. Some people still claim the same thing about LPs. I however find it really difficult to go back and listen to the flaws there also. And yes I have a really good turntable!

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Electric Monk

    by Real Deal

    I just love it when people get on here and pontificate like they are the second coming or whatever. Wouldn't it be really funny if ( just like last year ) people who predict with certainty this shows demise were wrong ( again ). I also notice that these very same people fail to list the shows they do like lest someone find " holes in the logic " with those shows. It's a goddamn TV show for christ's sake! Not War and Peace. By the way there's more than just a handful of us.

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Warp 11 should do the new Enterprise theme song!

    by warp11

    Warp 11's new album comes out soon and there is a song on the album called "Man on Mission". It would be perfect for the Enterprise theme song. www.warp11.com, bulletin board = www.warp11bb.com. Warp 11 rocks!

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 2:18 p.m. CST

    poor, poor talkbackers

    by MightyyMouse

    I'm not at all surprised that so many wanted to keep enterprise around, in spite of the talkbackers. I've noticed a certain arrogance in talkbackers, there seems to be a belief that those who post are the representative voices of fandom. It is the same sort of arrogance that reviewers have, and it comes from thinking that one is in some exclusive group that gets to arbitrate taste or aesthetics. Apparently, there are a lot of people that like Enterprise. Actually, I personally know a lot of people that think Enterprise is excellent, some who think its the best show on television right now. I don't necessarily share that view, but I'm not going to say "hey, you're a complete idiot with no taste if you don't think my way." But then, expecting talkbackers to like anything at all is asking for a miracle. I'm pretty sure anyone visiting a talkback is going to get an idea that fans hate everything. Indeed, I'm beginning to wonder what sort of bitter, cynical, lives many talkbackers lead as they seem not to want to let themselves enjoy anything. (this goes for about every thread I've ever visited.) Am I the only talkbacker who is looking for something I can enjoy, rather than something I can rip apart?

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Orion slave girl action figure

    by Napoleon Park

    Orion slave girl action figure due out in December. Chain her to your slave Leia in metal bikini, auction them off, have your super-villains bid on them, then send in your favorite hero to rescue them. "Oh thank you, giant Enid from "Ghost World", how may we ever repay you? Let's have a three-way!" ------ Ahem. Okay, the terrorist attack on Florida, the Suliban and Xindi, even Archer torturing and threatening during interrogations were obviously political, but an apologist for the Repblicans? Huh? First, we are all one nation, so this is OUR war, not "theirs" and if you can't accept responisibilty for it then vote the guy out of office. Second, did you watch the episode? They shot an enemy soldier in the back while he was running away! If that's not a clear endorsement of John Kerry's bronze star winning military tactics, what is? ------ I'm a life long Trekkie and was glad to see the show return and will stick around through number one hundred and, hopefully, beyond. But last nights episode, well, the emphasis on action and plot over characterization and the lowered budget were glaringly obvious. ----- Comps to TOS though? This show IS Star Trek. Archer/T'Pol/Trip are Kirk, Spock and McCoy, then you've got your black and Asian tokens and that Brit that looks like the chest-burst guy from Alien in the place of the Russian kid. Set-wise, you have the bridge, captain's quarters, engineering and sick bay. Design wise you have a saucer with sticks on it. It's not so much a prequel as a remake. ----- The new villain's are not "space-nazis". they're extra-terrestrial temporal terrorists who came to Earth's past during a key conflict to disrupt the time line. He could have been a Space Commie or a Space Republican just as easily. ----- Will Enterprise be canceled before it's seven year's are up? Odds are. hey, my favorite shows get canceled all the time. Karen Sisco, Wonderfalls, Greg The Bunny, Andy Richter Controls the Universe, Buffalo Bill, Duck Factory. And stuff I never watched like Buffy and Smallville and Touched by Angel go on forever. Hey, I don't care if the things I like are the same as the main-stream and I sure don't care if some haters with internets access don't like them. I don't have to care.

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 5:34 p.m. CST

    more trek, more trouble, less tribble

    by DrLektor

    MightyyMouse, have to agree with you there, is there really any point to them coming onto talkback and badmouthing a show? just one I figure, to prove they're just a little better than the 'other' nerds, classic schoolyard politics. Napoleon Park, Space Nazi's was in reference to the end of season 3, it featured world war 2 era aliens in Nazi uniforms, nuff said.

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Ah, Real Deal...

    by Electric_Monk

    To be honest with you, Real Deal, I find it interesting that you accuse me of pontificating. And maybe, to a point, you have something. However, I've seen nothing written by you to prove me or anyone else here, that Star Trek is no longer what it once was, and that the dark cabal that Berman and Braga launched in 1995 - Voyager - is really the beginning of all this. Trek, under the two producers became conservative; its stories became predictable. Thought provoking dialogue was replaced with empty rhetoric. Action, explosions, an over dependent reliance on CGI effects and partial nudity became the norm. Writer Michael Piller once said to Cinefantastique's Anna L. Kaplan that when he was producing Trek he "always encouraged the writers to try to find the human elements, the moral and ethical dilemmas. The whole idea of exploring space is a metaphor for exploring ourselves." Trek has lost that. Besides I've always prided myself on being intelligent (a sort of PBS mind living in an MTV world) and Star Trek gave me a dose of intellectuality along with its action. Now all those cerebral ideas have been shoved aside, because a certain demographic can't pay attention for more than ten minutes. And I have to pay for that? Now I have watch this wonderful franchise become a sacrificial lamb on the altar of Straight, White Teenage Boys? I believe this show is worth fighting for, but not for the reasons you want to keep it going. You can care less what is presented on the screen, as long as the words Star Trek are on it. By not demanding and getting a better product, you are letting it slide into mediocrity. ENT only got picked up -and here's a shocker for ya (cause you seem to ignore the plain facts) -because Paramount cut the licensing fee from $1.7 million to $800,000. It wasn't a bunch of fans sending money to put an ad in Variety. It wasn't a bunch of protesters outside Paramount's lot. It wasn't all the positive letters Star Trek Communicator magazine published (cause, I think, they refused to print any of the negative ones). Paramount played Don Corleone and UPN was made an offer they could not refuse. So don't slap yourself on the back. It wasn't you or the handful or geeks that attend conventions. Paramount cannot keep producing Trek in the red and it's taking an awful financial gamble that it will be able to make back its money when the show heads into syndication next fall. But by May of 2005, there will be 100 episodes. No more will be needed. Even if the ratings take an upswing -and I'm sure they will with Brent Spiner's appearance (and eventually, William Shatners) - from the fiscal point of view, this show is like sinking money into a bottomless pit. Eventually, someone has to say stop. That will happen in 2005. You don't need a magic 8 ball to see it. You just have to open your eyes and look around.

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 8:56 p.m. CST

    The current version of TREK and HERC have a lot in common...

    by bunnyfett

    They are both worthless, absolute, unintelligent, boring nerdy garbage.

  • Oct. 9, 2004, 10:36 p.m. CST

    thank you, Electric_Monk

    by Strabo

    Trek seems to be stuck in that godawful trap of appealing to the masses. Anti-intellectualism has become a part of our culture, witness Kerry v Bush. After Bush's horrible performance in the first debate, and over-compensation in the second (not to mention blatantly violating the instructions of the moderator and going on his diatribe anyway) people still consider him to be worth voting for. Anyway, Trek used to be an intellectual show, the reason we "bitter, cynical" "school-yard politicking" Trek fans are so pissed off is because Enterpoop has completely lost all the subtext that permeated its first three incarnations. Enterpoop has fallen victim to the "hey it's stupid, but at least it's fun!" fallacy. That is why we hate it. Classic, TNG, and DS9 were intelligent shows, they rarely got recognition from the mainstream media, but they were very forward thinking shows that often presented complex emotional, ethical, and dramatic situations. Voyager and Enterpoop are not and do not do any of that. End of story.

  • Oct. 10, 2004, 12:19 a.m. CST

    by WinterDreamer

  • Oct. 10, 2004, 1:36 a.m. CST

    I think Trek should be Goth.

    by Noriko Takaya

    Seriously. Lots of black makeup and white facepaint, gloomy lighting and dapper clothes. Interpol, Bauhaus and Gregorian Chants on the PA system. Foetus Interruptus' "Fratricide Pastorale" would be oh-so-perfect for the theme song. Neil Gaiman's "Death" can be the new captain. They cruise all over the Alpha Quadrant in their jet-black starship collecting souls to take to Heaven, Hell, Stovokor or whatever while the crew ruminates on the nature of life and death. Lots of Epistemological problems & moral conundrums; have philosophy professors write the episodes. "Star Trek: Death" could be the world's first Existentialist Science Fiction series. Reading this, you probably think I am joking or trolling. Thinking that, you would be wrong. OK OK, I'll lay off the absinthe. Jeez.

  • Oct. 10, 2004, 2:26 a.m. CST

    True intellectuals recognize that dogma is bad, regardless of wh

    by MightyyMouse

    Actually, I'm both a liberal and an intellectual who would never think of voting for Dubya. And I've always liked Star Trek for its willingness to tackle complex ethical problems. The thing is, you don't get to explore the complexity of them if they all come out one way, if all characters make the same choices. Not all captains are going to be Piccard. Sisko had different sensibilities than did Piccard, than did Kirk, than did Janeway, than does Archer now. Why? Because there are no easy answers. I don't think Enterprise is trying to justify abhorrent practices like torture. I do think it is trying to explore the sorts of pressures that could lead a good, rational, generally ethical man like Archer to believe it might be justified. Star Trek is a philosophical show at its heart, but I don't think Enterprise is against that, its just that it is more disturbing, very directly playing in some of the darker gray areas. As for it being a product of its time... what do you think TOS was? You think the Prime Directive coming on the heels of Vietnam was an accident? Does anyone believe that a "Prime Directive" should apply to the massacres that occurred in Rwanda, or those now in the Sudan? How about the Holocaust? If there was anything getting stale about Star Trek, it was the dogmatism. The Prime Directive is always right, we don't have to make the hard ethical decisions. In Enterprise, there is no Prime Directive yet, so the characters are left trying to work out for themselves what to do. You'll notice that Enterprise didn't try to wipe out the Xindi or obliterate their culture, they cooperated, negotiated with those who would do so. They tried to work out the reasons that those Xindi felt compelled to violence even as they fought those elements who were so fanatical they would stop for nothing. If you are looking for a redeemable ethical message very salient to our time, that's it.

  • Oct. 10, 2004, 12:08 p.m. CST

    I enjoy Enterprise

    by ejcarter9

    They didn't show it here until 1:35 a.m. and I stayed up to watch it (and I'm not that young anymore.) Why are so many people interested in taking away one of my favorite shows? Why do you people insist on negatively affecting my life? And I like the original theme song, too. Say what you want about my tastes, but that doesn't give you the right to TAKE AWAY MY SHOW!

  • Oct. 10, 2004, 2:05 p.m. CST

    If you say that you stopped watching in season 2....

    by cornstalkwalker

    ... then you're not going to like the show. It would be similar to saying, I stopped watching Babylon 5 after season 2. You have to see the whole product to appreciate. But, the talkbackers hate everything that is released so....

  • Oct. 10, 2004, 5:32 p.m. CST

    EM and Strabo

    by Real Deal

    You guys do go on a bit don't you. And Strabo mixing all that political stuff in is silly. World politics meant something to ST in the 60's ( Klingons / Romulans Russians / Chinnese ) but I think drawing too much connection between the Taliban and the aliens on Enterprise is a bit of a stretch. Anyway it doesn't matter that you took an opening show as an opportunity to attack. People out there will still like Enterprise. It's really simple ( as it always has been }. If you don't like it don't watch it. Leave people who do appreciate the show to their enjoyment. Otherwise one can only draw one conclusion : You're doing it just to troll and to have fun at someone else's expense. It's either that or you're just full of yourselves. So just don't watch and leave it alone. It's really not having an impact on your lives.

  • Oct. 10, 2004, 6:14 p.m. CST

    The Prime Directive and Planet Earth

    by Anlashok

    I believe whole heartedly in the Prime Directive and it's aim. However arguements of the Prime Directive concerning events on this planet are moot. You would be hard pressed to find ANY cultural group on this planet that hasn't been "touched" by "advanced" or "modern" civilizations. Of course I could be mistaken and those tribes in africa butchering each other, independantly developed their "own" automatic rifles and ammunition.

  • Oct. 10, 2004, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Prime directive, the easy way out

    by MightyyMouse

    The point about tribes in Africa getting better weapons from the West is granted, but that is not to say that the ethic problems going on exist only because of such weapons. Most of the massacres in Rwanda were done with machetes. So clearly an advanced weapon is not required for "ethic cleansing" which many in the modern world want to consider an "internal matter". Should we not try to stop genocide, regardless of the means used? Was it right for the United States to ignore the human rights abuses of Nazi Germany before Hitler declared war on the U.S.? (a historical fact most conveniently forget) I thought the most cowardly writing Enterprise showed was the one where there were two sentient races on a planet, and one was dying of a plague. To allow the ascendency of one of the races, they chose not to cure the plague. Who is to say that both species may not have eventually learned one another's value? What of the species that abused its third gender? Trip was right. There are inherent rights all sentient beings have. What about a situation with only one indigenous race? Is it ok to let millions of sentient beings die? Some of the most interesting TNG episodes focused on how ethical a blanket normative principle like the prime directive is in treating all situations as though they are exactly the same, and removing context. I empathize with the desire to not obliterate a culture, to not spread potentially dangerous technology, but denying the ability of us to make ethical judgements about individual cases is both dangerous and amoral.

  • Oct. 10, 2004, 8:22 p.m. CST

    ST's in the order of how I liked them

    by Trik

    1) Deep Space 9, Best captain, best crew, best stories (with the exception of the finale and the girl fight between Sisko and Dukat) <><><> 2)Voyager, Best Finale, Pretty decent stories for the most part, the crew wasn't bad once they got rid of kess and her weight problems and her creepy voice, I liked the variety of enemies, I think voyager was destroyed and a reset button was pushed or it was an alternate version 6 or more times. I got a kick out of that, redeemed 7 of 9 from the borg, I don't care what anyone says, Janeway had guts. <><><> 3) Enterprise Good actors, they need to use Travis and Hoshi more, I've liked most of the eps, esp the 3rd season, hate the space nazi shit though. <><><> 4) ST: TOS Hey its the classic that started it all. Can't watch it any more though, seen them all too many times. <><><> 5) ST: The Valium Generation, a complet snooze. Worst Captain (a boor) all touchy feely and to PC, worst 1st officer, his leet skill was he beet the android at poker, makes him command materal, ehh? bluff teh aloinsz, Hey riker see if you can command your head to stand straight on your fucking neck, What was his purpose anyway? to repeat everything picard said? Oh yeah, the Star Trek of the big noses and padded shirts. A lesbian security officer that shrieks "The rape gangs! the rape gangs!" Troi's square flat ass *shudder* Dr. Weselys mom *GET OFF MY SCREEN YOU FUGLY BIOTCH!* Wesly, hey the d0rk kid saves the day again, didn't see that coming, geez. Whoopie Goldberg? wtf? The way too PC bullshit. I can't think of one TNG eps that I remember liking.

  • Oct. 10, 2004, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Real Deal's goes conservative (or is that an insult)

    by Electric_Monk

    "I think drawing too much connection between the Taliban and the aliens on Enterprise is a bit of a stretch," you say Real Deal? Hello, the Suliban are based on the Taliban. Has been from the begining, long before the events of 9/11 also. So I don't think there is much of a stretch. If there was one thing both Berman and Braga got right, was setting up the bad guys as a mirror of the events unfolding in the middle east. Again, I will note this was all planned long before the war in Iraq. The problem here is I like Star Trek. Always have. I just hate the idea that this franchise has lost everything it once had to say. I hate the idea that I have to see this show scrap the bottom floor of (antiquated comparison, I know) X rated theater to get ratings. I fully acknowledged that ratings are the end all of everything. TV is a waste land of lame sitcoms, predictable procedural drama's (oh, will the guys at Law & Order and CSI get the bad killer?) and mind numbingly, brain draining, stupid reality programs. However, you don't have to sacrifice clever stories and crisp dialogue (delivered by actors who's only talent appears to be born super thin). The point is that there are only a few of you left because most of the true fans HAVE left the party. This is why ENT ratings suck (here's more evidence: According to fast national ratings provided by Zap2It, Star Trek: Enterprise received a 2.0 rating with a 4 share, meaning that 2% of American households with televisions were tuned in to the show, as well as 4% of those actually watching TV at 8:00pm. These ratings represent a drop of around 20% from last year's season average). As for it not impacting my life, well it does. It was always a joy to watch. It was one of the few programs I planned to watch every week. I now I'm angry that instead of ENT being the next step in the Trek evolution, it has fallen back on substandard cliches, that instead of trying hard to entertain and be socially responsible (we all know that metphors have ben this franchises bread and butter for the longest time) at the same time, it just throws exploding space ships, endless Evil Nazi's (by the way, was anyone else reminded of the Cromags from Sliders?) cheesy, clumsy sex scenes and time travel (which just adds to the damn paradoxes both Voyager and ENT create). This show, given the chance, can be great. However, compared to TNG or DS9, it achieves this less successfully. Fear has led to playing it safe and it prevents ENT from taking the chance it needs to sing in its own voice. That is what I'm fighting for, not just for Trek, but for all of TV. The people who run the networks claim they cannot produce drama and comedy on the scale of the cable networks. I think that is just crap. Behind all the swearing and sex and violence on The Sapranos, The Sheild, Nip/Tuck, Deadwood and even Angels in America is still a well written story, filled with great words. That is why I fight, why I stand and be true. Star Trek can and should be held up to a higher standard than I'm Still Standing and Two and Half Men. Or even the ever so predictable franchise of Law and Order and CSI.

  • Oct. 11, 2004, 2:58 a.m. CST

    TO YOU AINT ENTERPRISE PEOPLE

    by Lukecash

    I've been hearing about the "Right Wing" views that Trek has been doing... and PLAYING it safe. IF you had actually watch the whole season, Archer, who originally wanted to do anything to destroy the enemy found out how "Human" his enemy was. It turns out the enemy was LIED to by another player int he temporal cold war (By the way, they did the switch because YOU people bitched on how stupid the Temporal Cold War was to begin with) When members of the "Enemy" found out-they banded together with the Enterprise crew to stop them. See? Rodenberys idea was that if we can get past the MISCONSEPTIONS of what our enemies are, we could become friends. Shame that many Talkbackrs fail to realize this. Oh and the SPACE NAZIS? Part of the ongoing temporal cold war...changing time so Archer never existed. VERY cool idea...and a way to re-focus the series back to its original idea.

  • Oct. 11, 2004, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Corruption of the timeline is the central theme of enterprise

    by Eyegore

    Since the first episode the underlying theme has been the temporal cold war. I just have to explain this for all the people who complain about the show messing up continuity. Tampering with the timeline has always been the central theme and if the series is allowed to continue I'd bet that all your continuity problems will be resolved with the end of the temporal cold war. Everything wil be set right and we'll probably see the formation of the future federation temporal police force that was featured in TNG or Voyager to put an end to this temporal tampering.

  • Oct. 11, 2004, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Fan-Boy

    by Electric_Monk

    You yell: STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT. LET THOSE OF US THAT ENJOY IT, ENJOY IT. ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT HELP GET SHOWS CANCELED EARLIER THAN THEY SHOULD BE. I certianly have no problem with you watching it. But you have to see that there is a problem with a franchise that is losing more and more viewers every week. Damn any professional critic -but they do know what they talk about. Just listen to the real viewer. We know that as an entertainment value, well, it's lost its charm. Star Trek produces shows just for the sake of producing, claiming all along that this was well planned out. Berman and Braga had no real idea, just vague plans. Now with Coto in charge, suddenly we are told, yeah, the whole TCW thing was suppose to be about shifting timelines (as the Temporal Reset Button gets pushed again). No it wasn't. It was about producing a Trek designed, produced and written for 12 year-old boys. A 40 freaking year-old franchise designed for today's teenage boys? It makes no sense. They can, and could careless. TOS was made for the older auidence -but found it's fortune in young adults. TNG survived because those young ones were now older and still enjoyed it. It also captured a new fans. DS9 did the same and then came VOY and ENT, which is really only for 12 year-old boys. This forced the show just to go to one "high concept" story after another, a air-puffed cotten candy that had nothing at its core. ENT may not deserve to be cancelled after this season, but it will. And it's not because of the critics, by and large, it's the long time fans who've been told to pack your bags. You newcomers, who ask nothing of your shows, are the real cause of these failures. Brought up on MTV, endless, predictable to the core Law & Order shows (now add CSI) and reality programming, you wouldn't know a great (or even good) story if it bit you in the arse. Need I remind you, this is a country who praise no talent people like Pamela Anderson? You've allowed a brilliant idea to be tossed aside for a stupid theory called demographics.

  • Oct. 11, 2004, 6:50 p.m. CST

    EM

    by Real Deal

    Well I wasn't brought up on those shows because I'm older than you! I was raised on The Prisoner, ST TOS, etc. Like I said if you don't like it don't watch and don't bitch! It's that simple. Hey EM! Name a Science Fiction show on TV currently that is as good as Enterprise or better. Peacekeepper wars is a mini series and Battlestar Galactica hasn't premiered yet so you can't use those. The fact of the matter is Enterprise isn't half as bad as you make it out to be. Yes they have some dumb episodes but what series doesn't? You see after Enterprise gets canceled because of all the mindless bitching there won't be much. This is what I've been trying to get through to you. Don't dwell on that however answer my question....if you can.

  • Oct. 11, 2004, 7:49 p.m. CST

    The secret of the Kirk-era Klingons

    by tbrosz

    - The Klingons discovered Botox just before the Kirk era. - Later, they discovered that after years of use, their genitals fell off. Fortunately, there were enough holdouts to repopulate the race, but since then Klingons, especially the older ones with the loose pants, have been REALLY cranky. No wonder Worf didn't want to talk about it.

  • Oct. 11, 2004, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Real Deal

    by Strabo

    There hasn't been good sci-fi on since Firefly. Before that, DS9. Losing Enterpoop isn't going to affect us a bit. In fact, we'll be GLAD to see it gone because that means it won't be raping what's left of the spirit of the first three incarnations of Trek. AND, if we're lucky, the suits at Paramount and UPN will realize that B&B no longer have a grasp of what Trek should be, and will replace them with people who will do it the RIGHT way. Of course, that would mean they're actually intelligent human fucking beings, which, of course, they--in all likelyhood--aren't. Bottom line: Trek deserves better than the unimaginative formulaic trash B&B have been serving up since Voyager. Oh, one more thing before I go. All the people who don't understand why we don't like Enterpoop keep saying "Ohh, look, Coto is going to do a bunch of episodes tying this into Classic Trek! Isn't this what you wanted?" No, this is not what we want. If this series had been developed responsibly from the beginning, yeah, sure, that would have been nice. Unfortunately, B&B and Coto have proven they are not competent enough to hand things without fucking them up, thus, we want them to stay AS FAR AWAY FROM CONTINUITY AS POSSIBLE, lest they do something stupid like have a Romulan show their face to Archer, or, god forbid, have more Borg or Ferengi show up.

  • Oct. 12, 2004, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Prime Directive

    by radio1_mike

    What no one has mentioned is that the Prime Directive also set the rules against exploitation of 'less-advanced' civilizations. Which I think is much more pertinent even in the 1960s vs. the Vietnam analogy. The two best series are: 1)TOS and 2)TNG. Enterprise is passable sci-fi but it's saddled with the expectation and lore of the Star Trek universe-- or at least it should! It is not. And that is the problem. The quality of the shows is inversely proprtional to the square of the hotness of it's female leads. TNG, TOS good shows, no HOT chicks. DS9 middling show, Kira more attractive. Voyager, bad + 7of9 and Enterprise, bad + T'Pol.

  • Oct. 13, 2004, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Strabo

    by Real Deal

    But see I didn't like Firefly. I'm a big fan of Joss Weadon but I don't think he knows how to do SF very well. I really liked Angel and Buffy but Firefly to me was boring. I just couldn't get interested. And I tried.

  • Oct. 13, 2004, 9:04 a.m. CST

    I hate "Time Trek," but at the same time

    by Drath

    it would be cool if they mention 'oh dang, we stopped the Nazis, but now we created the Eugenics Wars!' I mean hey, so long as we're screwing with the timeline, might as well explain the inconsistancies (I doubt I'm the first Trekkie to suggest that though). I hope you're right, Herc, and this is indeed the end of the temporal cold war storyline. I thought we would see them dealing with the future members of the Federation during this series, but apart from the Vulcan/Andorian story, there hasn't been much of that. The focus has been mainly on time travel, as if they aren't interested in the era in which the show is set! How many times have we seen the past on Enterprise now? I'll bet at least a third of the episodes so far have been set on Earth of the Past. I guess it's their way of avoiding the aliens of the week, and I commend them for trying to get away from that formula, but this has grown just as tedious. I'm very curious to see how they would handle the much-discussed Romulan Wars. Probably more time manipulation, but I'd like to see them try it.