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Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...
I have no idea how TEAM AMERICA went from the rough cut I saw on Sunday morning to a finished film that will be sneaking in 800 theaters on Saturday night, but that’s why Matt Stone and Trey Parker are the craziest muthaforkers in Hollywood. They consistently seem to fold space and time in making deadlines, and the result is that you’ll be able to see the film a week early.
I asked Paramount for a theater list, and they responded that it’s pretty much playing everywhere. Check with whatever online ticket services you use, or just call your local theater. Basically, if they’re playing SKY CAPTAIN, they’ll probably be playing TEAM AMERICA, since that’s the film it’s paired with.
I’m seeing the finished print this weekend m’self, and I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I did. Let me know before Monday morning, and we’ll print up a whole mess of your reactions.
"Moriarty" out.
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January 14th 2005 release date over here, and I'm dying to see it. Curses.
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YOU MEAN I CAN BE THE FIRST KID ON MY BLOCK TO SEE THIS PIECE O CRAP THAT HAS OMITTED PUPPET SEX??? THE FIRST TO SEE THE LACK OF REAL WOOD???? OH JOY! OH JOY! OH JOY!....And thus, I'll see the Hillary Duff movie instead! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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Think I'll skip that part of the twin bill. Can't wait to see "Team America" though.
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I dont know about you all, but it's pretty sad when you have to contemplate the lesser or two evils when trying to decide who to vote for. For the record, Dick Cheney scares the shit out of me. Long live Ross Perot!!
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On time, and on budget, too.
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...Parker and Stone are comedic black holes in the same vein as Seinfeld (the show and the man), Growing Pains, and Ray-Jay Johnson.....Actually, I've never said that before. South Park used to be funny before the duo decided to stop telling jokes and just insult people who snub them at h-wood parties (possibly for good reason, too). They are the equivalent of self-important nerds who have their own world of comedic rules and believe that those who don't get it are "jerkwad losers". They're not allowed or accepted anywhere else, so they create their own club. The problem is, to paraphrase Stephen King, its "The Losers Club".
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You know why Seinfeld isn't funny? Because the material has been in syndication for ten years. Saying Seinfeld wasn't a funny show is like saying that MASH wasn't funny. After a certain number of re-runs, there's no longer any way to tell. Your objections to South Park I chalk up to your probable affection for dressing in frilly nightgowns and singing Barbara Streisand songs to your friends. It's either that, or you're simply a prig.
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...have never professed to be particularly cool or hip in any of the interviews I've seen. They, in fact, profess to be grown up versions of two of the lead characters in their wildly popular cartoon show, and Stan and Kyle rarely come off as cool or even remotely hip. I think they are blessed in that they still possess the ability to see the world through the eyes of the children they were. They are probably annoying as hell in person for exactly that reason (because, let's face it, kids can be annoying when the cuteness of their precocious refusal to shut up wears off). But so long as I can enjoy their often humorous and, at the very least, somewhat shockingly honest observations about the silly-ass world we live in from a relatively safe distance, I'm content to keep giving them money for the pleasure.
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Oct 07, 2004 12:38:45 PM CDT
some people recognized that Seinfeld was not funny even on their
by eraser_x
What is more rare (at least among my friends) are people who were not very taken with Pulp Fiction on the first viewing when it was new. As for me, I was like most of my friends and I thought Pulp Fiction was great when I first saw it. But now, whenever Pulp Fiction is on, I find it very boring and I always switch away or walk away very quickly. In contrast, when Shawshank Redemption comes on, and it always seems to come on, I get stuck watching it again.
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Paramount's been having a bad, bad year: "Stepford Wives," "Manchurian Candidate" under-achieving, "Sky Captain" tanking, "Alfie" not looking like much of a hit. Too many "paperback movies" with Ashley Judd. Studio nabobs practically begging filmmakers to work for them. Could it be that Matt and Trey save the studio with this hilarious-looking baby? Too bad. I thought Sherry Lansing looked to be gettin' the boot.
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I wear men's clothing, still enjoy MASH in syndication, and don't even know what the hell a prig is. I'm American. I'd also like to point out that I challenge anyone on this site to find four or more persons of color who actually liked Seinfeld. I am one such person, never watched it when it was on first-run. Some of my chromatically challenged friends encouraged me to, and....nothing. Not a grin, not even a chuckle. I get the jokes, they're just boring. But back to Trey and Matt: I've never said that they were cool, and I won't repeat myself. But I do have a hard time believing that children had such sophisticated opinions on celebrities, religion, politics, and other such national events. But even that, I don't care about. My protestation is such: they ain't funny. They don't try to anymore. Any one who has to use a piece of shit as a character is scraping the bottom of the barrel. The Simpsons maintain more freshness than these two, and I am stating here and now that I have no intention of giving these talentless wonders my money. Now, would anyone like to respond to me, quite possibly NOT using ad hominem attacks (and if you don't know what that means, you probably shouldn't respond any how)?
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Oct 07, 2004 4:48:09 PM CDT
OK, I withdraw the first part of my Wellesian critique.
by fluffyunbound
I didn't realize you had a good reason for not liking Seinfeld. It's not like I'm out there buying DVD seasons of Living Single, so I can't throw stones at you about that. OTOH, Mr. Hanky is funny, precisely because he represents the bottom of the barrel. And he doesn't fit into your timeline of "not trying anymore" since he is an early-season character. Since we now have you on record stating that you don't like the fact that they make fun of celebrities on South Park, and that you ALSO don't appreciate the comic genius of Mr. Hanky, I now conclude that your problem is, in fact, priggishness. That's unfortunate. What's next? Do you have a problem with Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, too?
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People of color don't like Seinfeld? If it's true in any way then I have to question the sanity and the racial bias of anyone of color who didn't like Seinfeld. Please don't try and suggest to us Wellesian that the crappy UPN and WB black sitcoms are somehow superior to Seinfeld which was a top rated show once it took off. The masterbation episode alone was more funny than Martin Lawrence's career in its entirety. Are there black sitcoms that are funny, hell yes. Bernie Mack comes to mind immediately, but he's not funny because he's black, he's funny because he's funny. Seinfeld wasn't funny because the people were white, it was funny because it was funny. It's sad, if it's true, that "persons of color" would care about the color of a comedian's skin and therefore miss out on a good show.
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...Wellesian, as you seem like an intelligent enough guy, but I feel the need to point out that you implied Matt and Trey see themselves as cool or hip when you suggested they look down their noses at those who don't get their brand of humor. That seems like a self esteem issue for you rather than a character flaw for them, since every interview I've seen or read with either of them indicates that they don't care one bit about the folks who don't get their humor. They cater to themselves first and the folks who enjoy them second. I'm genuinely sorry that you don't find their pokes at society and the mess we've made of it as funny as you do the Simpsons (which hasn't been even remotely edgy or thought provoking, much less humorous, in years). But simply because you don't get a grin out of something doesn't mean it isn't funny to a vast number of others (one man's tragedy and all that). Mr. Hankey is humorous because he's absurd... and a turd. It's funny, as Bart might say, for so many reasons. But, then again, the writers of Bart managed to keep his perspective deviously childlike for a very long time and that character (from the show you seem to hold as the benchmark of animated comedy) was clearly seeing the world differently than those he interacted with. If you have a hard time believing children can possess such complex insight or opinions, you should really talk to a kid sometime. Either they're making the young'uns a helluva lot smarter now than they did in your day or you've forgotten much of what you once knew about the world. Recapture your happy thought, Wellesian! Fly! Or just mope and complain about how your refined comedic pallette and superior intellect have effectively ostracized you from the moronic, easily entertained masses you so obviously despise yet long to be accepted and approved of by. Your choice.
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sheesh. let's just stop the goddamned race discussion right the hell now. ugh. what could be more boring than discussing race. as boring as Seinfeld is, race is 100 times more boring.
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Although I loved the movie. This just looks stupid and obvious. I'll catch it on video. Maybe
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Oct 07, 2004 5:39:35 PM CDT
speaking of a kid's perspective, a friend's 3-year old took a lo
by eraser_x
and asked, "why is your car so small?" Apparently, the kid had only seen the inside of SUVs before. I thought it was funny! (Okay, maybe not funny enough for a TV show or movie, but funny for a real life situation.)
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I don't defend UPN or pre-Dawson WB black shows (they dropped them after the Creek was a success). They suck, plain and simple. Tired characters, cliched writing, and I won't say that black people watch them because they have black characters, cause its not always the case (there are some, though). I do notice, also, that no one has actually accepted the challenge of finding four or more persons of color who actually like Seinfeld and find it funny. Try it. You may be surprised. Oh, and fluffy,as I said before prig is a term that means nothing to me. Please explain.
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At least this person of color don't dislike Seinfeld because he's white. The reason is plain and simple. His brand of humor is observational. He observes nothing of the lives of blacks, hispanics, or asians. Martin Lawrence may not be popular with some of you who are not "ethnic" because you have no frame of reference. However, there are white comedians I like because they're universally funny. Ron White, Robin Williams, Bill Hicks, Sam Kennison, Mitch Hedburg, Stephen Lynch, and Bill Engvall to name a few. Don't get me wrong, I'm not burning Seinfeld in effigy like I am Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Seinfeld seems a good enough person, and he's earned his money. Just try the challenge. Find four or more who actually like Seinfeld.
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Just FYI, folks, one of my posts where I respond to Fluffy is completely missing, and the order of posts just got messed up, in case anybody is confused.
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Are always talking about how sick they are of celebrities giving their political opinions. They themselves are celebrities constantly giving their political opinions. Irony challenged?
South Park was great its first season but is lucky to have 2 funny episodes per season now. How funny is it to have 2 paper cut out 8 year olds tell you what you're supposed to think at the end of each of episode? -
You don't appreciate either 'Seinfeld' or 'Pulp Fiction' on even the most rudimentary level? You, Sir, are a pointless fistfuck. Believe me I don't think you're impressing anybody here.
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From dictionary.com: "A person who demonstrates an exaggerated conformity or propriety, especially in an irritatingly arrogant or smug manner." In this context, it means someone who is too uptight to have a sense of humor. Here's a hint: If, when confronted by something that other people find funny, you stop and think the sentence "It's not very nice to make fun of these celebrities," the odds are that you are a prig. If, when confronted by something other people find funny, you think the sentence "Why doesn't this show include observational humor about da black man?" the odds are that you are a prig. If, when confronted by something other people find funny, you think the sentence "I don't think it's particularly uplifting to include a character who is made of shit on your show - that is really the bottom of the barrel" it is very, very safe to conclude that you are a prig. This concludes your vocabulary lesson for the day.
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i like the way you put words in my mouth and then call me derogatory names simply because you have likes and dislikes to a different degree than you allege that i do. way to go! your savvy and class must be making some people very proud!
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Oct 08, 2004 8:20:54 PM CDT
by the way, now that I think about it, I guess what seinfeld and
by eraser_x
is that they are both overly self-aware and both scream "look at me!" So, that's why I think they don't age well, because once you've seen it once (or seen one episode), you just want to say, "stop telling me to look at you, I'm already looking as hard as I want to look, why don't you just get on with telling a story." Actually, Seinfeld has some really funny parts, but it also has too many contrived, boring parts. Of course, this is just after the fact analysis. Before thinking about it, I just think, "I like this" or "I don't like this". Not that anyone is reading this thread anymore, but I've said before that a timeless movie has to be more than merely different than what came before; it has to have a really good story or really interesting characters or of its own. I think that is why Hans Christian Anderson's stuff is infinitely more long-lasting and interesting than Mark Twain's short stories. I think a big initial appeal of both was probably that they were refreshingly honest and non-PC for their days. However, once you get past Mark Twain's irreverance, his stuff is just boring, **to me**. I really won't mind if anyone disagrees.
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Yes, I was being a reactive asshole, which is unusual since I have been to numerous boards that scream with strident, hateful, bilious invective and character assassination and have felt no compulsion to bite. However, posting a broad blanket statement to the effect that the universally acclaimed and sitcom-standard-redefining Seinfeld was NEVER funny was so patently indefensible that I couldn't help myself. Your initial comments make you sound like a pompous fool, while your subsequent ones make you seem less so. Yet, for all that, you've contradicted yourself by first stating that Seinfeld was 'never funny', then later acknowledging that it had 'really funny parts'. - ?????? Had you first stated that you personally did not enjoy Seinfeld because you felt that its style was overtly self-conscious then I would have accepted that, and really not given a fuck. I would have vehemently disagreed with you but that's a completely different kettle of fish. Of course, all humour is a matter of taste and has been ever thus. I would not contest that. However, If you're not a dimwit (and it seems you clearly aren't) you might wish to post comments that more accurately reflect that reality (unless you post deliberately bizarro material which reflects its own reality - not that there's anything wrong with that). Let me conclude by stating that - on several levels - I believe 'Team America' is going to be testicle-shatteringly funny, and a timely tonic to the kind of self-aggrandising posturing we are seeing far too much of in these crappy times.
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Oct 10, 2004 1:12:45 AM CDT
This film will spark much debate over whether Bush is a Dick or
by lettersoftransit
Bush wants us to think he's a Dick -- somebody tough who can deal with the terrorists. And the far left paints him as an Asshole. But in truth, he's a Pussy -- a man who grabs his ankles whenever a Dick tells him what to do. And that might have worked if the Dicks in his Administration were balanced by a Pussy or two, but instead Bush has Dicks that have gone unchecked and become assholes, and now they're using the assholes are abusing our trust in the war on terror to shit on our economy so shitting over our economy so the Dicks can fuck us all. But they're fucking us som much they're going to weaken our country and make it vulnerable to all the other assholes around the world.
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A cut and paste malfunction made that post even more obtuse than it was intended to be: It was supposed to read something like this: PRESIDENT BUSH would like us to think he's a Dick -- somebody tough who can deal with the terrorists. And the far left paints him as an Asshole. But in truth, he's a Pussy -- a man who grabs his ankles whenever a Dick tells him what to do. But the Dicks are less interested in fucking the asshole terrorists than they are fucking all us pussies so they can get more money out of us. We've been so scared of the Assholes we've let the Dicks fuck us in the hope the Dicks will also fuck the assholes. But the Dicks know they need our fear of the Assholes if they're going to keep fucking us Pussies forever, so the Dicks are now becoming Assholes themselves, shitting all over our economy and that will ultimately make us more vulnerable to the terrorist assholes.
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what a useless asshole.
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These two little player-hater assholes need to crank out more than a full-length "dirty cartoon" before they get enough cred to start firing live rounds at H-wood...can you spell "career suicide", kids?
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Yo! Harry!! Yo!! Moriarty!!! What happened to all the TB's from Oct. 9 & 10? You know, the ones from the people who saw the sneak preview of the movie that was the topic of the original article? What happened?!? Hmmmmmmmm?? Just wondering...
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Oct 12, 2004 2:08:49 PM CDT
I think I'll take my Bush tax cut and pay to see this a few extr
by prof1971
If only for the sheer joy of seeing these holier-than-thou, pseudo-intellectual "oh I wear horn-rimmed glasses so I'm now an expert on foreign policy Garafolo types get their come-uppance. What's the matter Sean? Can't take it? Oh it's great when you can grab the microphone, jump up on a platform and lambast everyone that you think is a problem in this country...but...oh NO! GOD FORBID someone pokes fun at you and your ilk. I mean that's ANTI-AMERICAN ISN'T IT??!? Jesus...I just realize that becuase I think this movie might be funny....Richard Gere might take the gerbil out of his can long enough to wag his finger at me. Screw hollywood "intellectuals." Shut up and act, sing, whore yourself, whatever.
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