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Gimli to take over for Beethoven on STAR WARS EPISODE 3: REVENGE OF THE SITH'

Hey folks, Harry here -- we've been hearing the news of Gary Oldman exiting stage left on George Lucas due to his grievances regarding George's SAG violations, and due to those grevious issues, he felt unable to continue with Grevious.... But one grumpy dwarf later and all is well? We'll see...

Hey, long time reader, first time (et cetera).

Sorry to bug you with something you've probably already gotten 60 emails about, but since you haven't published it yet, I thought I should let you know.

Many residents of Brisbane, Australia (myself included) recently got the chance to meet, Sean Astin, John Rhys-Davies (Sliders, Lord of the Rings) and Penny Johnson Jerald (24, Star Trek: DS9), amongst others, at the Brisbane Supanova sci-fi convention.

I (like most people) went to meet Samwise Gangee, but the most interesting thing happened during Rhys-Davies' session. Someone asked if he would be doing any more voice work after playing Treebeard in LotR, or something along those lines. He said:

"I'm doing some next month, in fact. Let's say the working conditions are ...Grevious."

Now I'm not sure if that's an exact quote, but he certainly did drop that last word. He seemed to give a little wiggle of the eyebrows too, though it might just be my imagination. Not sure if many others picked up on it, but I heard people talking about it at university this morning. Word travels fast, I guess. And if it means what I think it means.... wow.

Gary Oldman, eat your heart out ^_^

Hope this helps,

-Alastair "HappyBob" Craig

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  • Sept. 20, 2004, 5:35 a.m. CST

    So does this mean ...

    by JAGUART

    Rhys-Davies will be tossing Yoda in this one?

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Dammit, I was THIS close...

    by oh_riginal

    Anyway, after seeing Grevious in the Clone Wars cartoon, I just can't see Gimli's voice going with that character. Unless he can change his accent. He always reminds me of a low budget Sean Connery, but thats just my opinion. Gary Oldman is a badass actor, and can play almost any character thats thrown at him. From Dracula to True Romance, to Leon: The Professional, to whatever other bad guy he played, he does it well every time almost.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Jedis...very dangerous! You go first!

    by Antiriad

    Had to be done...

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 5:47 a.m. CST

    What does S A G stand for?

    by Trevor Goodchild

    Should of got Walken for Grevious.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Short jedi killer ?

    by el zar

    26...27...28 jedi....

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Lord Vader, where is he?

    by JAGUART

    He fell.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 6 a.m. CST

    SAG stands for Screen Actors Guild, the actors' union

    by filker-tom

    Quoted from IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2004-09-16/#3): Wild actor Gary Oldman has pulled out of the next Star Wars movie because he refuses to work overseas illegally. The Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban star had agreed to be the voice of evil Jedi knight killer General Grievous in Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith, but quit the production because it was made outside the Screen Actor's Guild rules. Oldman's spokesman explains, "Gary was excited and looking forward to working on the film. The snag is that the movie is being made without members of the Screen Actor's Guild. It means Gary would have been working illegally overseas. Out of respect and solidarity with the other members, he could not and would not consider violating the rules of his union."

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 6:09 a.m. CST

    "I have the eyes of a hawk, and the ears of a fox...

    by satansteve

    young jedi"

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 6:33 a.m. CST

    I dunno...

    by stlfilmwire

    It could have been cool if they got Paul Reubens, Clive Owen, or even Ving Rhames.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Grieving for Oldman

    by Evil Chicken

    It's sad to see Oldman step away, however, I respect his reasons.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 6:54 a.m. CST

    John Di Maggio

    by ChorleyFM

    Why did they have to cast a name actor, he did the voicw well in the Clone Wars eps, let him do it again. The guy who did Darth Maul's voice was Shaun and Ed's flatmate in SotD, who cares if he wasn't famous.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Sallah Vs The Jedi

    by moviemaniac-7

    There is a Peter Jackson appearing in RotS as a Blue Senate Guard (check out IMDb). It wouldn't be..., would it? As a cameo? Will this third installment save the prequel trilogy from mediocrity? Will there be a subtitle option in the new DVD's in Bocce? Who knows?

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 7:28 a.m. CST

    What I don't understand

    by killing joker

    So is everyone else who is working on this film doing so illegally? Sam Jackson, Portman et al. Seems a bit wierd doesn't it?

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Maybe we can see

    by Boba Feet

    Sallah tag Ewan McGregor through a newspaper now. Best reason to see ROTS.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Gimli the Jedi Dwarf?

    by Fugazi32

    Lmao! :P

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 8 a.m. CST

    Sweet.

    by Darksider

    Gary Oldman is cool but John Rhys-Davies is cool too and has a better voice. Oldman's is nothing special. Besides, it's fucking STAR WARS.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Scabberific!

    by minderbinder

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 8:34 a.m. CST

    I'll watch it

    by Jeditemple

    I'm sick of disgruntled fanboys slamming Lucas and Star Wars...it's getting really old. Once Episode 3 is gone, what will they rant on next?

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 8:56 a.m. CST

    "It means Gary would have been working illegally overseas."

    by Drunken Fugitive

    Couldn't he have phoned that shiit in?

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Re: Mr. Fuck

    by Hunter-X

    You're an idiot. Return of the Sith is going to kick ass. Quit wasting our time with your bullshit. Why are you going to download the movie if you hate Star Wars so much? Retard.

  • Ended, the clone wars has, Brother!

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 10:02 a.m. CST

    finally, something we can all agree on...

    by smackfu

    "Strong is Vader. Mind what you have learned, brother"

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 10:35 a.m. CST

    SAG

    by hector

    Lucas has been fighting with the SAG for years. Typical union, plenty of pointless rules with no flexibility built in. They made a big stink when Empire came out because there were no intro credits (can you imagine Star Wars with intro credits? Maybe they could have shoved them to the sides of the scrawl. idiots). They gave Star Wars a special dispensation because nobody thought it would make a dime anyway. I have my problems with Lucas, but good for him taking on those SAG idiots.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 11 a.m. CST

    if working overseas is illegal...

    by The Data

    why not just phone this gig in, like he did with the harry potter movie.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Fuck This! I was counting on BENDER!!!

    by TheGinger Twit

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Would've loved to have seen John di Maggio do this.

    by mortsleam

    Bite my shiny metal Jedi ass! -(8#

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Yay! Gary Oldman was the only reason I was going to see this now

    by DOGSOUP

    Fuck Star Wars. What makes you people actually think this is going to be good?!?! Lucas is going to break your hearts again and you will let him and I will laugh.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Attention Mr. Fuck...

    by slone13

    Shut up. You're annoying. It's that simple. We now resume our regularly scheduled talkback...

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Lucas raped Gary Oldman's childhood brother.....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Well Gary fucked up, this could have been his chance to play a really fake looking CGI character in a movie that sort of matters, unlike the really fake looking CGI character he played in the last act of Lost in Space. Maybe Gary realized what a big fucked up pile of mediocrity Star Wars has become and figured Batman was all the geek attention he could handle. Big actors don't give a shit about SAG if it's a movie or director they "believe" in. So one of three things happened: 1.Gary saw the changes on the DVDs and said to himself "Do I really want to have my voice replaced in a few years when GL figures I was all wrong for the part and redubs it with an Inuit dinner theatre actor?" 2. Gary read the script and after a coughing laughing fit said "I think I'm going to gag." Someone mistook gag for SAG and the story ran from there, or 3. Gary realized he'd done enough bad movies in his career, like the above mentioned Lost in Space, and finally found a shred of respect for himself.............Don't buy the DVDs fellow nerds and geeks, it's a money grab pure and simple, in a couple of years DVD will be replaced by one of two new formats. GL produced the DVDs now just so he could make a bunch of money off of our asses. Don't be an idiot, don't be a mindless sheep. He's going after your wallet just like he did when he created the Ewoks and Jar Jar. GL is a pimp and any FOOL that buys his product is a John just waiting to get an STD and doing it knowingly. Oh and fuck SAG and all unions to hell.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Rhys-Davies as General Grievous the grumpy dwarf!

    by Eye_H8_U

    I can see it now. "Bring your pretty face to my light sabers!" Also Grievous will keep a "count" in ROTS. "One Jedi, two Jedi, three Jedi... HEY THAT ONE COUNTS AS MINE!!!"

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Sing along now...

    by SPlissken

    "I am the monarch of the sea..."

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Every time an actor wiggles their eyebrows Ain't It Cool New's s

    by MissOgynist

    All the most reliable reports come from Brits staring at brows here at AICN. Here's something an ILM employee tipped me off on from dailies that he and some fellow employees saw: The big showdown between Anakin and Obi Wan will involve LAVA SURFING. That's right. LAVA SURFING! Cowabunga, Darth! Add this to Wookies jumping around like they've got rubber heels and you're in for some wackier fights than Mario Party 4. Does anyone think this film will really be the saviour of the prequels with THAT kind of thing already slipping out?

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 4:05 p.m. CST

    I really love the Star Wars haters...

    by andrew coleman

    They act as if this is personal or something, as if the movies were coming out to spite them. Listen just because you busted a nut watching LOTR doesn't mean you have to shut down every thing about Star Wars. This is just an observation but people I run into who go "fuck Star Wars, its so gay" are guys who went to go see LOTR like 8,000 times. You can like both series of movies this isn't a war or something. I love the first Star wars triology and frankly I never expected the prequels to be better and I actually enjoy them, I guess because I don't take it as insult or whatever you guys do to make you so mad at these movies

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 4:36 p.m. CST

    What law was broken?

    by islander

    If it was illegal, what law was broken? Or was it some kind of violatin of a SAG rule? I get worried when people get those confused. So what exactly was not up to par with the SAG union? I do not believe that George Lucas would have unresonable working conditions for a voice over for a star of this status. John Rhys-Davis will do a great job in Gary's place. Please, I want real details on what exactly happened.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 4:46 p.m. CST

    It's *GRIEVOUS* for Christ's sake, NOT *GREVIOUS*.

    by raw_bean

    I mean, it's not hard, it's a real English word, try looking in a dictionary. Sorry, that rant's been brewing a while. Good GRIEF people (note; GRIEF not GREFI, it's related to a word you all know damnit!)

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Darth Bender

    by PlantBoy!

    ...would be sweet. Now they just need Billy West as his former Jedi master. "You mean *Darth Grievous* is the evil Darth Grievous? I'm shocked. SHOCKED! Well, not that shocked."

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 5 p.m. CST

    and Professor Farnsworth as the Sith weapons inventor

    by PlantBoy!

    "Good news everyone! I just invented a robotic suit for Anakin!" Also, it would have been funny if Gary Olman literally phoned it in, and DG's voice had that distant cell phone quality to it. (And of course the other actors' voices would be heard echoing in the background when they talked to Darth Grievous.)

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Lucas on CNN

    by pax256

    Just said hes gonna let star wars move into tv again... 2nd time hes said this. Now we can maybe see trawn's trilogy brought to life on hbo?

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 5:32 p.m. CST

    It's official: there's more lovers than haters. The status quo i

    by PBJ Street Gang

    I knew this would happen eventuially. The Haters blithering on with their high strung, hapless endeavor to stop cream from rising to the top. It's as if they know in their heart of hearts that there's are whole aspects of moviegoing they can't access in their jaded adult existence. They know they've been poisoned by the jacked up Matrixization of movies in the 80s and 90s. They know they missed the boat. We know you were born too late. Go back to your videotapes of the original trilogy and continue pretending you were really there. Film schools will study what they will study and Lucasfiulm will be reisited in twenty years while the howls of the yelling spastic infants and this site will slowly...gradually...disappear....into.... the ether.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Waves to raw_bean from back of room

    by morGoth

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Gary was the man for the job, but there's still hope in other ta

    by screenplaywriter

    I mean come on you got a whole list of actors who play villians who could do this: 1. Tim Roth- He's good at playing sinister people. He'd be a grand definition to the word "grievous" and I think he'd be the man to pull it off. 2. Michael Clark Duncan-I think he'd have that sort of James Earl Jones-type charisma and voice that would make Grievous tough. 3. Christopher Walken-Although, I see him more as a Grand Moff. 4. Joe Di Maggio-He played him on the "CLONE WARS" cartoon. Might as well sign him up. 5. Crispin Glover- He didn't get the part of "The Scarecrow" in "BATMAN BEGINS" so might as well let him into this. 6. Mark Hamill-Hell, he could do it he could mix in a little bit of "THE JOKER" voice, with a little raspiness to and *BOOM!* 7. Robert Deniro-Hmm...NO! 8. Christian Bale- He's playing "BATMAN" and he was excellent in "AMERICAN PSYCHO." 9. Anthony Hopkins- If done right he could deliver one of his best performances. 10. Ed Asner- Qualified voice actor. Has done alot of work on cartoons. 11. Ron Perlman- FUCK YEAH! 12. Tim Curry- Another qualified actor/ voice-actor. 13. John Rhys-Davies- Maybe? 14. Andy Serkis- HOW COOL WOULD THAT BE?!?

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 6:08 p.m. CST

    It's spelled Grievous

    by CreatureCantina

    It's "General Grievous" you morons. www.starwars.com/databank/character/generalgrievous/

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 6:09 p.m. CST

    They should voice cast:

    by SPlissken

    KEITH RICHARDS. how awesome would that be.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 6:30 p.m. CST

    inglis

    by ikkyu

    Dear Bean, Right on. Correct usage, spelling, punctuation, etc., are not pointless ideas thought up by your teachers to give all you guys headaches; they help us to communicate meaning to each other quickly and with clarity. Without them, language degenerates and becomes inefficient and, ultimately, meaningless. I know I should be less pedantic, and so forth, but sadly, I now have to add my tuppence worth IF YOU WANT TO SAY YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT SOMETHING, PEOPLE, THE COLLOQUIALISM IN GENERAL USAGE IS: "I couldn't give a damn/ toss/ shit/ fuck/ monkey's cuss/ etc. about..." NOT: "I could give an etc...". TO SAY THE LATTER WOULD BE TO INDICATE THAT YOU DO, IN FACT, CARE. Thank you. Er, sorry about that.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 6:43 p.m. CST

    uh huh

    by SimpsonsQuoteMan

    Yeah, this is so exciting. And I hear Billy Bob Thornton is playing Zip Zap McLaser in the new Power Rangers movie. same friggin thing. SWISH! Bam one up for me!

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 6:43 p.m. CST

    I'd have to assume that it's just a violation of SAG rules, and

    by minderbinder

    It would be interesting to know what those are specifically. Anyone know?

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Actually, unless it gets monster reviews, I'll likely download i

    by minderbinder

    Why? Curiosity. And not wanting to piss away money on something that sucks. I didn't pay to see Clones either.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 7:15 p.m. CST

    R.C.: EIII will still be aggrivating. On a different subject,

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    It's the year of the "Shat." A hit TV show, two up-and-coming movies: Free Enterprise 2 and Miss Con. 2, several charity events, a new CD in OCT. and more priceline commercials on the way. I've never been the biggest Star Trek fan but for some reason I've always been a Shatner fan.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 7:54 p.m. CST

    He did not just use a ^_^ emoticon in his submission to Harry!

    by Kampbell-Kid

    /gasp That or I play it too damn much and I'm seeing things...

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 8:42 p.m. CST

    didn't Gimli do the voice of Treebeard as well? And I 2nd the v

    by Tall_Boy

    I loved his take on Grevious in the clone wars cartoon, it would have added a nice consistency between the two. His performace, even though it was only 2 lines, was supremely creepy. Also, he's freakin Bender!!

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 9:37 p.m. CST

    leave it to george

    by gripman

    as many people in the biz know, lucas is a cheap prick, you'd think with all the $$$ he's got, the least he could do is stick to the union rules ... I worked on the effects crew for ILM and the corners they cut are incredible ... common george, give credit where credit is due, this isn't a cheap student indie ...

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Cant wait to see Gravyouis!!!

    by Bong

    lol

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Does that means he is using a lightaxe to fight the jedi?

    by drompter

  • Sept. 21, 2004, 1:28 a.m. CST

    why George Lucas won't abide by SAG

    by DJLetterbox

    ...because it's cheaper not to....all he has to do is pay all the principle well and then pay everyone else min. wage (if they have that in Australia) ...which is *far* less then what a typical actor makes in the states......Gary Oldman was standing in solidarity to the lower actors who work for scale in SAG throughout the world.......and yes, I've been in SAG for 4 years....and no I don't think they're perfect, but being a union buster isn't exactly making Lucas a hero.......mind you I love Star Wars and I can understand him wanting to make them as cheaply as possible but jebus.....he's one of the richest mofos in the world, come on George, spring for paying the lowly minor characters SAG scale....... .....OH and to the the person who claimed that Lucas stopped working with SAG over placing the credits at the end of the film......you've confused SAG with the DGA (directors guild of america) and the WGA (the writers bla bla bla).....he *was* a member of the DGA but after Empire he was fined by them and the WGA for the credits thing and the subsequently dropped out......that is actually the reason why Speilberg never could direct any of the star wars films......

  • Sept. 21, 2004, 6:34 a.m. CST

    PBJ Street Gang.....

    by Drunken Fugitive

    Good call, dumbass! Just because I was born after a movie came out, I can't enjoy the experience of watch it EVER! I can't love a flick and have an opinion on it EVER just because it predates me! I for one actually like watching older flicks but by your standard we shouldn't be allowed to watch and enjoy! Hope you slip on your colostomy bag ya old fart!

  • Sept. 21, 2004, 9:14 a.m. CST

    ikkyu

    by Glaive

  • Sept. 21, 2004, 9:17 a.m. CST

    ikkyu

    by Glaive

    ...who the FUCK is 'General Usage'? Is he, like, 'Grando Calrissian'?

  • Sept. 21, 2004, 11:09 a.m. CST

    There's still hope for my career!

    by tucson

    Thanks, Hairy Nutsack! From your lips (er, um, assuming you have lips) to George's ears....Inuit dinner theatre actor (currently performing in the X-rated version of "The Iceman Cometh")

  • Sept. 21, 2004, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Hey morGoth, I'll just pretend you didn't see my Bender post

    by mortsleam

    Damn. Miss one little huge BoMoot and all of the sudden you're persona non grata. "I don't want to spoil the party so I'll go" (;{= Walrus

  • Sept. 21, 2004, 12:52 p.m. CST

    I am aghast and ashamed O Mighty Tusked One (waves frantically a

    by morGoth

    Please accept my profound appy-polly-loggies for not seeing your post and rest assured that it was only the merest of chances that I noticed raw_bean

  • Sept. 21, 2004, 3:45 p.m. CST

    fuck all.

    by Revolutions

    they should have keifer southerland do the voice for grievous. that dwarf guy is alright though. frankly who gives a shit. my hopes aren't high for this piece of shit anyways. what the hell is up with that preview of episode 3 in the dvd trilogy? that was a piece of shit. why didnt they show some real footage of the actual fight or of vader instead of everything against blue screens? fuck lucas, fuck episode 3. fuck indy 4.

  • Sept. 21, 2004, 4:27 p.m. CST

    To those who are upset about Lucas altering the films and not ev

    by TheSeeker7

    I've been thinking about this lately, and consider it this way. What about if a female friend you knew, or god forbid even 'girlfriend', wanted to change something about herself. I'm sure this has happened at least once to all the boys out there. She's not happy with her hairstyle, etc, or maybe even did decide on a major style change to something about her appearance, but she's ended up not liking the change. You, however - in the 1st instance, you always thought she was beautiful just as she was and shouldnt change; and in the 2nd instance, you thought that this new look that she went for looks terrific on her, and now don't think she should change anything about it. Whatever it may be, her present look to you has affected you in some way, it's touched you, and you love her for it just the way she is. And as much as she appreciates your support of that - when it comes right down to it, she's simply not happy with this thing about herself, no matter how much adulation she shower on her, she's just not satisfied and wants to change it into what she'd always dream it would perfectly look like in her mind. And so even though how good she looks now means a lot to you, and has had this positive effect on you, it's ultimately not something that she's happy with, she wants to change it to what she really wants, and so you support her. Right? Isn't that how it generally works? (And I don't wanna hear from the smartasses who'll quip that a woman is never satisifed with how she looks, therefore the argument would be bogus)

  • Sept. 21, 2004, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Boba Feet, you just made my day...

    by tango fett

    I burst out laughing when I read your post. Noone hardly ever mentions JRD's role in Indy, so to quote the Simpsons, "You magnificent bastard, I salute you!" Can't wait for ROTS, it will rock. And that one pbjwhateverthefuckyournameis guy is a major prick. Please, "Matrixization?" C'mon, quit blaming the shitty state of modern film on one of the coolest trilogies in current existence.

  • Sept. 25, 2004, 4:05 a.m. CST

    On SAG

    by alpha

    RE: SAG etc. Actually SAG are kind of jerks to the rest of the world. Tim Robbins gave a speesh at the awards blasting OZ and NZ and saying how they dont pay overtime etc which would of been inspiring if it was even remotely true. He was forced to apologise. SAG and a few other US unions love to pressure the studios and people in regards to what they consider runaway productions which film in the UK, OZ, NZ, Chech Republic and Canada - they seem to neglect that for most films more than 50% gross now comes from OS markets or that some films would cost double filming in the US due to exchange rates, tax breaks, less restrictive film permits, more exotic locations close at hand etc and those films may not even get made at all if they cant be made cost effectively. I've got no problem with them wanting to try to protect their local jobs but they do tend to bend the facts. The worlds different to 20 years ago and the days of 95% of films being filmed in Hollywood and its surrounds are long over and its going to be up to the US industry to make themselves more competitive cost wise because most films lose money which means very few producers are going to take the more exspensive US route if they are pushing their Budget over 60 or 70 million. You'll note that only big special effects and action heavy films tend to go overseas because you can max your budgets better where if your making a 30 million comedy you dont need to stretch your budget on the tech elements as much. Lucas beef actually is more with the Directors guild than anyone else but once he offended one union he kind of annoyed them all.