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It took me a few years to realize it, but “The Empire Strikes Back” may be the best movie ever made. Better than “The Godfather,” better than “Godfather II,” better than “Raiders,” better than “Strangelove,” better than the Bedford Falls movie, better than “Pulp.” It’s ridiculous how great it is. And yet it’s just a sequel. I wish I could convey how excited I was when I first read Gene Siskel’s giddy-with-love review, and I wish I could convey how shell-shocked I was when “Empire” exceeded my hypered-into-a-frenzy expectations.

“Empire” has the funny gay robot, funnier than ever. It has the guy who effortlessly beat down Vader in IV, and it has that same guy winning the heart of the princess. Not a princess. The princess. And it has Yoda of Dagobah, when Yoda was willing to pummel R2 with a round stick to establish dominance over a Snackwell. And mynocks and carbonite and “I know” and an unhappy ending.

Obi-Swan is Moriarty’s writing partner and the man who loves Star Wars so much he’s drifted into territory so insane he’s actually come out on the side of sanity. He presents here the perfect and definitive review of the original trilogy DVD. There is no greater fan of the franchise, no greater apologist. I am unworthy to post his true-believer comments, yet am so jealous of his love I insisted I do so (even though Moriarty really did the editing). Obi-Swan, Moriarty and Hercules disagree about much, but I believe we all understand and share an transcendent understanding of the pure, shining moment in cinematic history that was “Empire,” and I was selfishly determined to wedge myself into this historic DVD moment.

“A New Hope” (or “Star Wars” as I will always know it) was pretty fucking fantastic also.

Bow, son of Jor-El. Bow before Obi-Swan. He knows which side of The Force he's on.

STAR WARS TRILOGY ON DVD

A Review By Obi-Swan

I remember the feeling of getting my first VHS copy of STAR WARS. I was fourteen at the time and my parents had just bought our first VCR. RETURN OF THE JEDI had come out in theaters only a year before, and I was starting to reflect on the entire six-year cinematic journey we had all taken. Watching that tape over and over again allowed me a look at the film I never could have had while it was in theaters. I tried to understand what it was that hooked me in the first place.

I recently had lunch with Mark Hamill to discuss his directorial debut, COMIC BOOK: THE MOVIE. Even though we were there for his film, I couldn’t help but go full-on geek and bring my old VHS for him to autograph. Mark signed it and was more than gracious as we chatted about STAR WARS. Understandably, he seemed a bit weary concerning the inevitable subject, but he allowed me to indulge for a while. I asked him what he thought about the new movies. “I like ‘em,” he was quick to respond, “but they’re not the STAR WARS movies we used to make.” When I asked him how it felt to watch the old movies these days, he replied, “It’s like looking at your high school yearbook. You look so different, it’s like watching an animated movie.”

That was a long time ago, and for the past few years I’ve been almost exclusively wrapped up in the prequels. Since the original trilogy wasn’t on DVD, that meant I had to drag out the old laserdiscs and contend with side changes if I wanted to watch them. As a result, I’ve mainly been watching the great DVDs of EPISODES I and II.

We’ve been waiting a long time for the classic movies to come to DVD. Even though these aren’t exactly the movies we saw all those years ago, I can’t help but feel like that fourteen year old kid again, holding my first VHS. It’s my fountain of youth. I’ll never actually be that kid again, but these films take me back to a simpler time. They remind me what it was like before I had to grow-up, pay bills, and hold a job. I intentionally stopped watching the laserdiscs and VHS tapes several months ago so I’d be good and ready. And now that I finally have the DVDs, I find myself watching them all over again, now at a striking new level of clarity.

WHY NOW?

Didn’t George Lucas say he’d only release these movies after the prequel trilogy was behind him? Jim Ward acknowledged this, but claimed there was an opening in Lucas’s schedule and it was just perfect timing. I have a guess as to the real reason why they’ve chosen to release these DVDs now instead of later, and this is pure speculation on my part, nothing more. I think this is exactly the same situation they were facing when the Special Editions were released on laserdisc and VHS. DVD was on the horizon and they knew there was only a small window of opportunity to make money with the old formats. Right now, High Definition is creeping up, so this is probably the last time they’ll be able to release these movies on regular DVD. I wonder how this release will eventually stand up next to High Def. Will they look like our VHS copies do now by comparison?

THE DIGITAL RESTORATION

Having said all this, the restoration is nothing short of jaw-dropping and worth the price of the box set. All three films looks spectacular... pure eye candy. They’ve never looked or sounded better. They’re so pristine it’s hypnotic. It’s not STAR WARS; it’s the dream of STAR WARS. I’ve seen these films a hundred times, but I was struggling to take my eyes off the screen. All three movies are stunning, but it’s NEW HOPE that is the most startlingly different. It’s a totally new movie and it will blow you away. I’ve had these discs for a couple days now and I’m still marveling at it.

The only draw back to these DVDs is the fact that the new source material is so much better than the current DVD format could ever allow them to be. These would need to be in a High-Definition home format or screened in a digital theater for us to see the true brilliance of the restoration. I’m surprised Lucasfilm isn’t doing a limited theatrical run in digital houses. Also, I’ve noticed some aliasing on certain shots when viewed on a regular 4x3 TV set. If you’ve got a nice 16x9 set, this shouldn’t be a problem.

The clean-up work on all three movies was preformed by the technicians at Lowery Digital Images, a Burbank, California-based company. Founder and CEO John Lowery, in one of the more interesting and uncensored moments during the DVD press day Q&A session, admitted that he would’ve liked to have had the films a little longer, adding that there are places in the film that stand out to him as needing more work. A distressed look from Jim Ward, Vice President of Marketing & Distribution for Lucasfilm, silenced Mr. Lowery. He made a quick about-face then concluded with a simple, “No... they’re perfect.”

Lowery is right, though. I just watched the trilogy in one sitting yesterday and there are a few shots that look less than perfect. In particular, watch the scene in JEDI when Wicket leads Princess Leia away after their altercation with the biker scouts. One shot jumps out from all the others. It’s like you’re suddenly watching laserdisc again. But these are just minor problems. I really enjoyed listening to Lowery speak. His honesty was surprising and a refreshing change from the usual predictability of these press events.

One thing Lucasfilm is adamant about with this new version of STAR WARS is that the films now “look even better than opening day.” They’re definitely different and they’re obviously cleaner, but are they actually better? I guess it’s all subjective. To tell you the truth, I can’t remember what these films looked like during their theatrical runs. It’s sort of like when Coca-Cola put out New Coke then switched back. We all forgot what the old Coke tasted like.

THE CHANGES

Jimmy Smits makes a brief appearance as Bail Organa on Alderaan right before it explodes in NEW HOPE, Boba Fett takes off his helmet to reveal Temuera Morrison on Cloud City in EMPIRE, and Ian McDiarmid mentions Padme Amidala by name and describes how she inadvertently maneuvered him into the seat of power while reminiscing with Luke on the new Death Star in JEDI.

Not.

Astonishingly, there aren’t many big changes to the films, but there’s an ass-load of tiny changes, mainly on the soundtrack in the form of additions and subtractions in dialogue. In the Jawa sandcrawler, C3P-0 now has the line, “We’ve stopped,” right before the doors open and they’re herded out. As Luke fires on the stormtroopers following Obi-Wan’s demise, there’s an additional “Luke, come on!” from Princess Leia. After the two stormtroopers walk through the Millennium Falcon, one of them now says, “There’s no one here.” During the Death Star attack, the line, “He’s on your tail,” has been removed again. And Vader’s voice sounds different. I don’t know if this is the result of the new mix, or if it’s an intentional change to make him sound more like he does in the other films.

The most notable on-screen change to NEW HOPE is the inclusion of a new Jabba the Hutt. He looks much better than he did in the ’97 cut. The animation is more subtle and has more character. It’s much closer to the creations in the prequels.





Other changes include a new landspeeder swooping into Mos Eisley, and the Dianoga in the trash compactor has a more realistic, articulate eye. The lightsabers also look much better. For some reason, though, Luke’s lightsaber is green when he’s practicing with the remote. Greedo still shoots first, but it doesn’t look as bad. And sorry, kids, Chewie does not get a medal. Come on, George. Can a Wookie get a medal?

Like the Special Editions, EMPIRE is the film that gets messed with the least. This is no doubt because of Lucas’s respect for director Irvin Kershner. The biggest change is the replacement of the old Emperor with Ian McDiarmid. The lines are a little different, too. It seems that Vader is unaware of his son and the Emperor also mentions the name Anakin Skywalker during the exchange. I was talking with a friend who absolutely loathes this alteration. I don’t mind it, though, and it connects the film to the rest of the saga.





Other changes include Temuera Morrison’s voice for Boba Fett and the removal of Luke’s girly scream as he chooses a jump to his death over a future at Vader’s side. The scream always put me in mind of a Mountain Dew commercial. I kept expecting a can to fly into Luke’s hand. Luke’s scream was as nasty a stone in the shoe of STAR WARS fans as Greedo shooting first. And now it’s gone. I guess we complained loud enough.

JEDI is far from a perfect film, no matter how many CGI Muppets get jammed in there. It isn’t without its charms, though, and it definitely delivers when the Emperor comes into the picture. Jabba’s palace keeps getting worse and the Ewoks are still annoying and unrealistic. A little CG animation on select faces at key moments would help quite a bit.

One aspect of Jabba’s palace that’s actually significantly better is the appearance of Oola, Jabba’s main dancer, played by Femi Taylor. As a kid watching the initial VHS release, I freaked out when I realized her boob pops out right before she falls through the trapdoor. It’s not just a nip-slip; it’s an entire tit-slip. Thank the maker, Lucas has chosen not to delete this juicy wardrobe malfunction. Since it’s obvious this section of the movie is for the kiddies, I’m surprised it’s survived all these recent editions. And with the new digital clean up her nipples are even more visible right after she plummets into the Rancor pit. Check out the pictures. All I’m saying is, it must be really cold down there.





The significant new changes occur late in the film. When Vader is unmasked, Sebastian Shaw’s eyebrows have been removed. The effect is chilling and I suspect it was done to add continuity to what we’re about to see in REVENGE OF THE SITH.





Later during the Galactic celebration sequence, we see a celebration on Naboo outside the main palace. Gungans dance on the top of one building and one of them exclaims, “Wesa free!” I’m not kidding. The pan across Coruscant now reveals the Senate and the Jedi Temple in the background.

The most noticeable change occurs moments later when the spectral images of Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin appear. Hayden Christensen now replaces the elderly Shaw as Anakin, who sports his EPISODE III quaff and seems pleased with his youthful appearance. And Obi-Wan seems cool with this deal, for some reason. This is a strange message Lucas is sending here. Obi-Wan led a good life, never went to the darkside, and yet he’s decrepit in the afterlife. Anakin took the quick and easy path, allowed himself to be ruled by evil, and his Force Ghost looks ready to go to the mall and pick up high school chicks. I know which side of the Force I’m on.

A lot of people are already complaining online about these changes. It’s really no surprise to me that more changes have been made. And if we don’t like ‘em... tough. Lucas has made it abundantly clear that STAR WARS is not a democracy. Just like the Empire. I get the feeling he doesn’t care if the kid from ’77 disapproves of recent tinkering. I strongly suspect that all he cares about is satisfying his own artistic whims and eccentricities. I’ve watched the first film three or four times now, and these changes aren’t enough to pull me out of the film and ruin it.

THE MENUS

Like the previous work done on the DVDs for EPISODE I and II, the Original Trilogy DVDs have three random animated film-themed menu sets. These are actually a little better than the stuff on the Prequel Trilogy DVDs. There’s more dialogue and the clips just feel more like part of the films.

After the piracy warning at the start of the disc, the STAR WARS logo pulls back, filled with moving images from the film. At the EPISODE II DVD press event, I asked Van if this was inspired by the Manga STAR WARS comic adaptations, which displays a strikingly similar logo at the front of each book. “Actually, it wasn’t,” he responded sharply. “That just felt right. But I’m sure I’m not the only one who has thought about that... thought about that idea. I think that we started doing that on Episode I, and we wanted to carry that through. But if it follows a Manga tradition, I’d be, you know, I’d be proud to be a part of it.”

Whatever the case, Van Ling and his team have certainly outdone themselves this time. The menus are film-like and transition in and out of the moves and all over the discs beautifully.

SPECS ON ALL THREE MOVIES

Rated PG, letterboxed widescreen (2.35:1), 16x9 enhanced, THX-certified, single-sided, RSDL dual-layered, keep case packaging with custom slipcase, THX Optimizer, DVD-ROM weblink, 3 random animated film-themed menus sets with dialogue and music, scene access, languages: English (DD 5.1 EX & 2.0 Surround), French and Spanish (DD 2.0 Surround), subtitles: English, Closed Captioned.

A NEW HOPE: 125 mins, commentary with writer/director George Lucas, star Carrie Fisher, sound designer Ben Burtt and special effects supervisor Dennis Muren, layer switch at 63:08 at the start of chapter 28.

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: 127 mins, commentary with writer/producer George Lucas, director Irving Kershner, star Carrie Fisher, sound designer Ben Burtt and special effects supervisor Dennis Muren, layer switch at 58:02 in chapter 27.

RETURN OF THE JEDI: 135 mins, commentary with writer/producer George Lucas, star Carrie Fisher, sound designer Ben Burtt and special effects supervisor Dennis Muren, layer switch at 62:38 at the start of chapter 22.

THE BONUS MATERIAL

The fourth disc of bonus material is similar to the bonus discs for EPISODES I and II. It’s loaded with trailers, documentaries and great behind the scenes stuff. The only thing that’s missing is a deleted scenes section, which would have ruled. There is a blooper reel, but it isn’t very funny. The best part comes when Chewie catches fire on the skiff in JEDI. It’s not funny, but it’s cool.

The Characters Of Star Wars, The Birth Of The Lightsaber, and The Force Is With Them: The Legacy Of Star Wars are the three featurettes on the disc. There’s lots of great behind the scenes footage that we’ve never seen before and some DVD quality transfers of shots from the movies that have been cut and replaced in the Special and DVD Editions. LORD OF THE RINGS director Peter Jackson pops up occasionally and even compares Lucas to Tolkien at one point. Together, these docs total about fifty minutes.

The Return Of Darth Vader offers a brief glimpse into the key moments of REVENGE OF THE SITH. Specifically, the transformation of Anakin Skywalker into the legendary villain, Darth Vader. There’s a fascinating bit in which Lucas discusses the dark path Anakin goes down. As he’s describes it, it sounds more like he’s describing his own transformation as a filmmaker and his revisionist handling of his movies. “It was his greed to control things that were his undoing. The problem that Anakin has in the whole thing is he has a hard time letting go of things.” Will George ever be able to let go? Will his desire to control every detail of these movies be his undoing?

During the Q&A session at the DVD press day, things turned ugly for a few minutes when questions focused on the changes. One person put it nicely when he suggested that if Lucas completely erases aspects of his original works, we’ll never be able to have proper perspective of him as an artist. Jim Ward countered with “This is really a question for George, but I’ll support his right as an artist to change his work.” I’m curious how the young Lucas who made these movies would feel about the older version of himself coming in and altering his work.

When I visited Skywalker Ranch in 2001, I asked Mr. Lucas about the making of his saga and how technology has dramatically changed from the early days. “When we made STAR WARS it was with a sort of pioneering spirit,” he explained, “but now it's sort of old hat. You know, people forget very quickly the technological advances that are made on each movie. I guess there are technological advances made all the time. It's a progression of the medium, especially in terms of being able to incorporate digital characters and sets and that sort of thing. It had been done before but not on this scale. And you know the next film will be more extreme and I assume that when I make the third one it'll be even more extreme.”

Based on the preproduction artwork I saw at the San Diego ComicCon and based on the last forty minutes of ATTACK OF THE CLONES, I have no doubt REVENGE OF THE SITH will be the most remarkable special effects film of all time. It’s also going to serve as the bridge to the original trilogy. The coolest part of the Darth Vader documentary comes at the very end with the unveiling of Hayden in the Vader costume. It’s just a quick couple of shot, but I can see how compelling the connection has the potential to be in the final film. Anakin, as Vader, turns to a person next to him, who appears to be Ian McDiarmid as Darth Sidious. When they showed us this at the ComicCon, I nearly shat my pants. Upon watching it again on DVD, I’ve noticed that the shot has to be from the birth of Vader sequence. If you look closely at the shot, you’ll notice that Vader is secured to a slab behind him, shackled by the wrists. I can’t believe they’ve given this moment away so early.





There are more trailers and TV spots than you can shake a lightsabers at. Twelve TV spot and 10 trailers, actually. They’re letterboxed and in 16x9, which is awesome. I’m not sure why they only included the first of the three Special Edition trailers, though. Also included is a production photo gallery, poster art gallery, Episode III: Making the Game featurette, videogame trailer, playable Star Wars Battlefront Xbox game demo, Easter egg blooper reel, and a DVD-ROM weblink to all kinds of exclusive content.

This box is a damn decent chunk of STAR WARS and an awesome way to pass the time until REVENGE OF THE SITH. As always, George Lucas is predictably unpredictable when it comes to what we’re actually getting with our periodic STAR WARS fix. There’s stuff we don’t get that we’ve wanted for years, and there’s stuff we get that I had no idea even existed. It might be considered a mixed bag for some fans, but I find the set very satisfying and I suspect it will make a few bucks for Lucasfilm starting September 21, 2004.

May the Force be with you, and since we’re already changing things, I’ll ask again… may Chewie one day get his medal.













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  • Sept. 16, 2004, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Empire is SO overrated

    by chrth

    Ooooh ... Bounty Hunters and clever dialogue from Han Solo ... hold me back! The fact is, the original is still and always will be the best. Yes, "I am your father" is pretty dang cool. But most of the rest is like the scenes before sex in a porn film: not adding much to the good stuff.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the review...

    by pianukim

    ...it's nice to hear something positive about the DVD's to balance out all the negative stuff these days. I, for one, can't wait for Sept 21! Thanks again.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 12:39 a.m. CST

    What about...

    by MeekayD

    ...Empire of Dreams?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Just caught Empire SE tonight at the UF theater on campus

    by George Newman

    It was awesome. The film print was really dirty at times but it was still incredible to see it again on the big screen. I feel that it benefited most from the special editions--everything was right (except for luke's falling emperor scream), nothing of the new seemed out of place or distracting.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Fine, but I'll still hold onto my laserdiscs.

    by Cash Bailey

    And Greedo still shoots first, huh? Prove that Lucas is still a bitter, resentful asshole who hates his fans.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Between this set and the TOS box sets...

    by Kentucky Colonel

    It a really great time to be a geek, especially one who was there in 77 when Star Wars was THE SHIT. On a sad note, the theater I saw Star Wars, Empire, Jedi, Raiders, ET....closed on Monday night (Damn you National Amusements!) I distinctly remember walking out of "Cinema 1" and looking up at the clear black sky and thinking (in my 7 year old head) "I wanna hop galaxies in the Falcon, too!" And I still do. By the way, if you'll allow a bit of cross pollination, the Star Trek Season 1 box set is incredible! I bought all the tapes from Columbia house, about 10 of the 2-Episode DVDs released a few years back, but this new remastering is hands down no bullshit the god-damnest fucking thing to come down the Pike in a long time...the transfer is so clear you'll see things in the frame that were always there but you never noticed, and let's not even talk about the 5.1 mix. Simply incredible and worth evey penny. I'll be there on the 21st to see how my two favorite obsessions (my wife and dogs notwithstanding) stand up side by side in the new century. Mr. Spock for President! (anyone but Bush!)

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:19 a.m. CST

    For those of you who want their Original Trilogy "Un-Lucasized".

    by OgieOglethorpe

    There's pretty darn good dvd transfers of the "definitive collection" laserdiscs up in alt.binaries.starwars if your news server has a long enough retention time (first one went up about 2 weeks ago). Anamorphic widescreen & commentary tracks even. I've got this new set on order, but I have a feeling that when I want to fix that Star Wars jones, it's these LD transfers that I'll be whipping out.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Holiday Special??

    by ThisGuy

    If Lucas wanted us to really appreciate how good the movies were, he'd include this turkey...

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Surprised They Didn't Do More

    by MrStinger

    If these are the few changes in the DVDs, I'm actually surprised they didn't do more. Some of the changes seem natural--replacing the Emperor, using Temura Morrison's voice for Boba Fett, showing Gungans celebrating to show that Naboo still exists (long a source of debate). I would actually have been happier with the ending if they pulled back to show the trees of the Ewok village crowded with the spirits of the departed Jedi, including Mace Windu. Beyond connecting the scene with the prequels, it actually would have made a new point, that the entire Jedi order looks down on Luke as the inheritor of their legacy. And as far as I'm concerned, Lucas can continue to tweak with these films until they close his lid. They're his to tweak. Lord knows that in some later generation, some hack corporation will try to turn them into holographic 3-D, or whatever form "colorization" takes in the future.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Tuesday Rules

    by Darth Melkor

    This box set and Star Wars Battlefront for Xbox! Booyah grandma! I honestly don't give a crap if Lucas updates stuff.. in fact I wish he'd fix more crap. Like why fix all the sabers, but not Luke's on the Falcon? Is he saving that for yet another update? And, yes it's pretty clear to me that the reason Hayden is the ghost is because Anakin "dies" in Episode 3. I think Hayden appearing as the ghost is a lot more powerful that Shaw, especially if you're going to watch the entire saga 1-6.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:34 a.m. CST

    The spirit should be representative of his Whole life, not just

    by George Newman

    I believe he stopped being good well before episode 3 anyway...Those pretend changes mentioned at the beginning REALLY got me freaked out for a second...

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:40 a.m. CST

    These films should Not be viewed from 1 to 6

    by George Newman

    It would completely ruin all of the surprise and suspense of 4-6. I heard that ep 3 might leave young viewers with doubts of anakin being vader, but that sounds like it'll be false if you're seeing hayden being turned to vader at the end, like the snip-it on the DVD suggests... run-on sentence...

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Not a bad review...here is my take

    by Lezbo Milk

    I'm very much looking forward to getting these on DVD, finally! The pristine picture quality should be awsome (I have a 116 inch wide projection screen hooked up to a Sony digital projector...so I'm just salivating to see the originals on the big screen again!!!!) I was 9 years old when ANH came out, and it made me into an instant movie geek. ANH is my sentimental favorite, but I must admit that TESB is the best of them all so far. Here is my take on how they rate so far: 1.ESB (tie) ANH 2.AOTC 3.ROTJ 4.TPM My firm stand is that after TESB, Star Wars took a big hit in consistancy of tone, and quality. From ROTJ there are vast swings of inconsistancy in terms of the maturity level of the films. You cannot deny the fact that kids loved Star Wars when it came out in '77. I was there, I was a kid and I believe me, my school was buzzing furiously about Star Wars for at least 2 years. The great thing was, kids AND adults loved ANH. There wasn't any overtly "kiddy" oriented in ANH or TESB. An adult could sit in the theater and watch these films, and be completely entertained, and not feel like they were watching a movie made "just for kids". They were watching "good for all ages" Sci-Fi and that was all there was too it. ROTJ change that, and changed it so clearly it was like flipping a light switch. I was 15 years old when I went to the ROTJ on opening night. As soon as the little blue elephant started playing the piano thingy, both mine (and my Dad's) eyes glazed over and the film immediately went south for me. When I saw my first Ewok...I wanted to puke, and the look on my Dad's face was the look of a parent who got dragged to the theater to see Rugratz The Movie. I can't believe that there are so many people out there who arn't completely baffled by the marked change in tone of the last movie of the original trilogy. I was hoping that the prequels would follow the pattern set by ANH and TESB...that was not to be true. TPM suffered the same wild maturity level inconsistancy that ROTJ did. How can you go from Darth Maul and Obi-Wan in a furious lightsaber duel, to Jar-Jar binks stepping in poop...all in the same film (and this is just one example). How could ROTJ go from Luke and Darth crossing lightsabers in front of the throne of the Emperor...to an Ewok in a hang glider dropping a rock on a stormtrooper? How can you do that and not see the absolute absurdity of it???? Anyways AOTC was a bit better in this sense, so I have great hopes for ROTS. We shall see. Can Lucas leave the "kiddy shit" on the cutting room floor, and just give us a great "all ages" appropriate Sci-Fi master piece that were ANH and TESB???

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Star Wars

    by slick1

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Speaking of Tolkien.............

    by Solrider77

    Do you all know that TOlkien rewrote the HOBBIT because it had to fit in with LOTR? It's true, the edition of the HOBBIT that was first published in 1937 is different from the version we know today. And I'm not saying it's the cosmetic changes Lucas has done, I mean he totally changed the plot. originally Gollum's ring was just a magic ring, not the source of all evil. And Gollum offered to give Bilbo the ring as payment for losing the riddle contest. So I ask you? Why is it allright for Tolkien to do this and wrong for Lucas?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:50 a.m. CST

    DVD's

    by slick1

    I just noticed something that I hadn't noticed ever, even after seeing ESB on the big screen. Luke's outfit on Dagobah and Cloud City has a subtle camo print to it. On VHS and even in the theater it always seemed to be a flat tan color. Watching these DVD's brings back a lot of memories. It has made me realize how crap and empty the new series has been. TOS has so much more story and characters that are 3 dimensional. You care about the characters and stories. TPM and AOTC have unbelievable special effects, blow away the home theater sound system, and have some neat moments, but the magic is not there. Whatever happened to Lucas when he said that the effects merely supported a good story? He gives us a lot of eye and ear candy and a great deal of crap of midichlorians, Jar Jar, yipee from "Annie" and Hayden who glares and can't act his way out of a paper Tusken tent.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Not an apologist but...

    by EeterOfWurldz

    Old Anakin never existed. He was never a sixty year old guy with a full head of hair and a Jedi robe. So why should he appear as one. Young Anakin was the last time he was getting his mojo on with the light side of the force, so it makes perfect sense that his ghost should appear as such.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 2:15 a.m. CST

    BS!!

    by SubversiveRusski

    While all three films have been cleaned up in general, the color timing and sound mix for A NEW HOPE is atrocious. It's annoying that no one who has reviewed these disks has even mentioned it. Everyone I know that has seen it (over a dozen people) all HATE the changes from casual viewings. The colors (while much cleaner) are too bright. Too Red. Too Yellow. Too Blue. It makes it look more like a cartooon. This is not to put done Lowery's work, which is overall fantastic. But unlike the Indiana Jones movies, A NEW HOPE does not look like the movie I grew up with. Likewise the sound remix has been PUMPED up to push the music and the voices off the screen. The dialogue has been obviously re-done (Leia at times sounds like she's got too much spittle in her mouth) even in the middle of scene the sound literally changes. I know the first instinct of a talkbacker is to say to me I'm being too anal, without a life, etc, but don't take my word for it: http://www.jwfan.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=5760 http://www.jwfan.netindex.phpname=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=5760

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 2:15 a.m. CST

    "I

    by SmarkJobber

    Uh...hasn't Lucas always maintained that -- even when making the original trilogy -- he only felt that he was getting something like 25% of what he envisioned onto the screen? Young Lucas would be positively goddamned delighted with the SEs. Even if we don't like the changes, it's still that fuckin' dude's films -- not ours.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Lucas you Nerdherder

    by Dr Farragammo

    Lucas is a loon. He seems completely bent on rewriting his history, and all he is doing is tainting it. Hell let him do his movie remixes, I'm fine with it, but just do it like they did with the new ALIEN box set. New version & old version. Is that too fucking much to ask?That way we can enjoy the new version as a goofy, what if scenario, and see the films as we know them, and where their far more effective. case closed.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 2:19 a.m. CST

    I really like ROTJ...I think its bad ass.

    by Jon E Cin

    All three are great. Empire is the best movie but with ROTJ the final fight between Vader and Luke gives me chills. Ewoks are of course the negative but they are watchable. Unlike jar jar episode 1.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 2:35 a.m. CST

    off the subject

    by gravy_suckin_pig

    RIP johnny ramone...only tommy is left!life aint fair!!

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 2:37 a.m. CST

    y'know, it may not look it but in the Original Edition is sure a

    by Tall_Boy

    Yah, I hate bitching about this too but I popped in an ANH bootleg DVD I got (don't get yer panties in a bunch, Hope is the only one that works properly. The sound on ESB is out of synch for the last 20 minutes and the ROTJ disc is flat-out defective and doesn't work. That's what I get for buying DVDs). Anyway, yeah, back to Greedo (sigh). If anyone has an orignal non specialized copy kicking around go pop that in and find the sequence... I'll wait. You hear it? Dangblasted sounds like two distinct lazer blasts ontop of each other. And also if you go frame by frame there's a white-burst effect between the two shots of Han saying "I bet you have" and the shot of the crappy Greedo puppet exploding. And that could mean - white burst & lazer blast on Han when he says "Yeah, I bet you have" cut to white burst and Greedo blowing up with 2nd lazer blast. So yeah, whatever the case may be, I think the two distinct blasts does in fact equal = Greedo shoots first.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 2:51 a.m. CST

    LUCAS ADMITS HE'S BECOME THE EMPIRE: "I've become the very thing

    by robogeek.com

    In the (quite good) EMPIRE OF DREAMS doc, Lucas admits he has become the Empire, and seems remarkably okay with that... --- "What I was trying to do was stay independent so I could make the movies _I_ wanted to make. But at the same time I was sort of fighting the corporate system, which I didn't like, and I'm not happy with the fact that corporations have taken over the film industry. But now I find myself being the head of a corporation. So there's a certain irony there, is that I have become the very thing that I was trying to, uh, avoid, uh... which is basically what part of STAR WARS is about. That _is_ Darth Vader. He becomes the very thing that he's trying to protect himself against. But, at the same time, I feel good that I'm able to make my movies the way I want them to be." --- Oh, great. I mean, I'm all for artists' rights and everything... but what about the rights of all the other artists who worked on the Original Trilogy? Especially since Lucas didn't even direct V & VI Anyway... Great review, Scott. I may actually give into the Dark Side and send George more money.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 3:15 a.m. CST

    FYI...

    by Demon Disco

    In George Lucas's very own novelisation of 'A New Hope', Greedo (unnamed at this time) doesn't shoot first. Han reduces him essentially to a stain on the cantina floor. Is Lucas gonna go back and rectify THAT too? Just a thought...

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 4:04 a.m. CST

    You guys are missing the point...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...You're assuming Force ghosts are constantly in some sort of "fixed" form all the time. The fact is, they have no form and only ASSUME one in order to appear before selected individuals (ever notice that Luke is the only one to see and hear them?). Anakin's FG could appear in any form, but CHOSE the one of younger Ani for Luke's benefit. Stop with the limited metaphysics, already, will ya?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Good job, Obi-Swan

    by BAMF

    This is one of those crystal clear, compelling pieces of writing that makes this site worth coming to twice a year. Thanks for fanning the flame for old SW fans who remember the joy of movies before we had to pay bills and hold a job. You rock.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Why a young ghost?

    by Hairy Nutsack

    I figured it out, and I expect the cease and desist order to arrive in my mailbox before I hit the 'Post' button below. Yes Anakin is dead when the Emperor resuscitates his midichlorian enriched corpse and makes him a Sith zombie, no problems so far. But why did this come up at all? Is there another reason GL would need to have a young Anakin ghost floating about? You bet there is, a few days ago Mark Hamill was quoted all over the net about his involvement with eps. 7,8, and 9. Alec Guiness is dead, so he won't be making any spectral-Jedi-ghost guest appearances in 7,8,9 but a young Hayden Christensen........

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Picking up high school chicks is the path to the DARK SIDE.

    by HOTPANTS

    Just sayin'.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 5:47 a.m. CST

    The day will come when we can edit our OWN versions from home!

    by truthseekr1488

    That's right, we'll be able to create our own individualized editions of SW via home editing systems. Press a few buttons, voila -- no more Jar-Jar! Press a few more buttons -- naked Leia!

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Having Han not shoot first destroys the emotional core of his ch

    by Spacker Dave

    When Han shoots greedo under the table it showed that he would do any sneeky underhanded thing to save his arse. He was a loose cannon that would not think twice about turfing Luke and Ben out the Falcon door if things got too heated. When he tells Leia that "I'm in it for the money!", you believe him. That is why it was such a suprise to see him return and save Luke's life at the end of the movie and redeem himself of his actions. Han earned that medal. To have Greedo shoot first puts his entire character into a new perspective. He is no longer the renegade anti-hero. His depth has been taken away. And why? So Lucas can keep squeezing money out of generation after generation of kids with his new 10 year olds version of what was once the benchmark of mainstream sci-fi. Perhaps in 20 years time he will again redo the movies with new effects in some vain attempt to keep them from looking dated. But mention the prospect of colorising the Three Stooges and watch his cry foul! Lucas is indeed Palpatine incarnate.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 6:39 a.m. CST

    why now, mr lucas...? here's why...

    by web labrador

    in the time it will take to get the first three out of the way, guess what will just becoming mainstream...? blue dvd's... ten times the storage... sooo, release the dvd's now before the new generation of dvd's comes out, get as much money out of sad star wars geeks by buying yet another version of the films (at the last count, this is the fourth set you could have bought...) and when blue dvd comes out release another set, except in super high quality... again that has been tampered with to oblivion... wake up to yourselves star wars fans you are being bled dry...

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 6:40 a.m. CST

    No Mark Hammil on commentary? Gip.

    by Messy_Dwarf

    They can't get him to stop talking about it everywhere else.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Anakin the clone...

    by stlfilmwire

    I think we've been following the life of a clone -- yes Anakin is a clone. That is why the so-called Anakin's mom said there was no father. Just a guess.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 7:04 a.m. CST

    "Will they look like our VHS copies do now by comparison?" - hoo

    by SalvatoreGravano

    The marketing departments did their jobs. More gullible muttons, excellent! I'll bet they'll even gladly get suckered into replacing their "special edition" DVDs with "ultimate edition" SomethingHDVDs, with all-new two "bonus" features. I've got an Iraqi oil field and three bridges for sale, by the way.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 7:06 a.m. CST

    "I really enjoyed listening to 'Lowery' speak"...

    by SalvatoreGravano

    Apparently not enough to bother remembering his name.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 7:24 a.m. CST

    By the way, all of those "new" shackled-Vader shots have been po

    by SalvatoreGravano

    As were the McDiarmid pics, snippets of Hayjerk Stiffensen raping the memory of Sebastian Shaw, and more. Oh, and if Lucas wanted to include *all* deleted scenes, he'd have to add a fifth disc with this: http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/editorials/lost_cut.htm Han Solo's whore girlfriend would probably scare the "kiddies", though. Speaking of whom - http://tinyurl.com/6z8tn

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 7:41 a.m. CST

    STAR WARS is a democracy and I'm voting with my wallet

    by RenoNevada2000

    I've stated numerous times my objections to Lucas not preserving and making available the original cuts of these movies, so I'll not renumerate them here. However, I'm staying true to my word and will not be dropping two Franklins on this set. Sure Lucas ain't going to miss my forty bucks, but at the end of the day, I can say that at least I have a shred of dignity for standing by my convictions. Which is more than can be said about Lucas.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Skipping sync on pirate OT DVDs?

    by SalvatoreGravano

    That's what you get for buying lame HK DVDs - probably on eBay for 50 USD. Meanwhile, you can get proper laserdisc rips on the OT forums, for 20/30 USD for four discs, including a bonus one. Yep...

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Oh, I'll say this for GL...

    by SalvatoreGravano

    Unlike certain Hacksons, Lucas certain does NOT release "regular edition DVD", "double pack DVD", "collector's edition", "extended edition DVD" and "limited edition DVD packaged with exclusive Gollum toy" in a span of six months.

  • http://img82.exs.cx/img82/8577/Troola.jpg ...?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Solrider77

    by The Killer-Goat

    Because none of us were alive back then, dummy, that's why we don't care. If they had the internet in the 1930s, and if The Hobbit's original version had all the support and nostalgia that the original Trilogy had, it'd be the same damn thing.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Once More Into the Breach

    by Playhouse

    This has been argued many, many times since '97 and will continue to be argued to eternity (unless they go back and correct it) but Greedo never gets a shot off. That was the original intention of the scene. As per the official movie script: HAN: Even I get boarded sometimes. Do you think I had a choice? -- Han Solo slowly reaches for his gun under the table. -- GREEDO: You can tell that to Jabba. He may only take your ship. HAN: Over my dead body. GREEDO: That's the idea. I've been looking forward to killing you for a long time. HAN: Yes, I'll bet you have. -- Suddenly the slimy alien disappears in a blinding flash of light. Han pulls his smoking gun from beneath the table as the other patrons look on in bemused amazement. Han gets up and starts out of the cantina, flipping the bartender some coins as he leaves. -- HAN: Sorry about the mess. END It was a character bit always intended to show just how roguish Han is and how he lives his life by a different set of rules. I'm not going to say Greedo shooting first completely destroys the character. But it certainly takes away some of his flavor.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 8:52 a.m. CST

    While we all reminisce, I'll tell you about the Star Wars effect

    by Floyd Gondolli

    Star Wars was coming out in theatres(no, not A New Hope, The Phantom Menace) and, with the exception of one fat bloke, was met with an indifferent shrug by an entire high school. Eventually I got around to seeing it, and was disappointed. It was filled with annoying CGI characters, bad acting, boring dialogue and a plot about trade embargoes. Soon before AOTC I saw the Original Trilogy (well, the special editions) and was let down once again. These were the movies geeks cream their jeans over? I thought. How can a movie that contains annoying puppet characters(ewoks and that green one), bad acting, boring dialogue and a plot that fits onto the back of a postage stamp be so highly regarded? Maybe Star Wars fans haven't seen many movies, maybe they have crap taste, maybe they are watching with the rose-tinted shades of nostalgia, I don't know. Then I saw AOTC and it it's a bad sign of a movie when the most memorable scene is when the one who looks a bit like Kiera Knightley jumps up of the floor A-OK, despite recently falling out of a spaceship. Otherwise it was just like TPM with the annoying CGI characters, etc. This brings you to my latest run-in with Star Wars a few weeks ago. On the High Street a bloke was dressed as Darth Vader was handing out promotional leaflets for The SW DVD boxsets, and I watched with great amusement as people of all ages ignored him. So, in summary, the SW movies are some of the most mediocre movies ever made, as mediocre as DareDevil, The Fast And The Furious and The Whole Nine Yards, and hopefully when Lucas decides to stop exploiting you cash, I'll never have to deal with fanboy hyperbole again.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 9:17 a.m. CST

    I've never understood why the Greedo encounter even had to be ch

    by FluffyUnbound

    Greedo is there to CAPTURE Han and take him to Jabba so he can be KILLED. If Lucas was concerned about the "morality" of having Han shoot Greedo first, he needn't have been. It's like saying that you can't shoot at kidnappers unless they shoot at you first. It's dumb. I never watched the original version thinking, "Oh, poor Greedo. He never had a chance." He certainly had a chance. He was in a confrontation from the moment he entered the scene. It's like that Clint Eastwood quote at the end of Unforgiven: "If he was going to decorate his bar with my dead friend, he should have armed himself." If Greedo was going to try to be Jabba's enforcer, he should have come into the room shooting. Frankly, I think it sends a MORE DISTURBING "moral message" to the kids watching the film if you tell them that it's perfectly OK for Greedo to sit there musing on murdering someone, and that Han can't defend himself or try to get away unless Greedo shoots first.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Sounds pretty cool...I'll be sure and download it.

    by minderbinder

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 9:42 a.m. CST

    "They're HIS films!"

    by jollysleeve

    I'm pretty sick of this bizarre concept that people have no right to complain about Lucas' revionist tinkering because they're his films and he can (legally) do what he wants with them. ("Shut up! I don't see any of you fat basement-dwelling geeks making any iconic film series. I tell you what. As soon as you create an epic film series that grosses billions and spans generations in its appeal, then you have the right to criticize Lucas. Until then, keep you traps shut!") ........Fine, so Lucas owns the property rights to all the characters, etc, and thusly that means we can't complain about the changes. (I've even seen this gag-rule idea applied to the crappy new prequels.) ......Okay, so let's work with that. I can accept that idea. But then, wouldn't the opposite be true? Since they're not our films, then we have no right to praise them either. I mean, after all, we didn't make them, so we can't exactly take credit for them......... Sounds pretty ridiculous doesn't it? .....Okay, so now we've established that no one, except for the copyright owners, have any right to either criticize or praise a movie. Well, what the hell is this site for then?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 9:46 a.m. CST

    What's the fucking deal with whining about the LOTR dvd's? Both

    by minderbinder

    You want the cheapie version, you get it. You want to spend a little more and get extras, you get that instead. None of this lying to the public, waiting until the barebones version has sold a bunch until you announce the deluxe version bullshit. LUCAS is the fucking greedy hack, I guess you don't remember the debacle when he insisted that TPM wouldn't be on DVD for years to sucker people into buying the VHS? And speaking of "gollum toys", I guess you don't remember that the ONLY VHS version of TPM was an expensive one with swag thrown in. PJ gave buyers a choice. What don't you fucking understand about that?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 9:51 a.m. CST

    burying the classic versions

    by Mr Brownstone

    is just plain RUDE. the special editions shoulda never happened.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 10:01 a.m. CST

    listen to jollysleeve -- he's right on the money!

    by Mr Brownstone

    may I also add that since they are not 'our' films we shouldn't even be allowed to watch them either. Once something is released to the masses it becomes theirs as much as the creators. especially something as iconic and beloved as star wars.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 10:01 a.m. CST

    ROTJ Anakin

    by jaminator45

    If he wanted to replace sebastian shaw, then thats his perogative. But god dammit he should have put Jake Lloyd in there instead of christianson. Then at least Yoda could look him in the eye!!!

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Oldman quit star wars

    by jaminator45

    By the way, Oldman quite star wars 3.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Yes, Greedo still shoots first, but....

    by DocPazuzu

    ...what we really want to know is, does he trash the cantina, shoot Force lightning from his fingertips, wrap himself in a green towel, steal a swoop bike and break into Rodian Industries?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 10:16 a.m. CST

    The real question

    by Itchy

    Did they fix the blunder at the end of ANH where Luke leaps out of the X-Wing after landing on Yavin and shouting "Carrie!" when Carrie Fisher comes running to him. That's my favorite blooper in the film. I'm actually excited about the movies coming out. My son - age 4 - absolutely loves Star Wars, and will watch any of them (original or the new trilogy) ad nauseum. Since my VHS copies (both sets) are beat to hell (and look like crap on my 60" HDTV), they are in desperate need of updating.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Empire is the best movie ever? Maybe in Fantasyland.

    by Lou C.

    You're being sarcastic, right? Right? Best movie of all-time? Does George Lucas have the ability to hypnotize fans in some way I'm not aware of? If I had to make a list of 100 of the best movies of all time, Empire wouldn't even be considered. Not even a thought. Better than "Godfather"? Better than any of Hitchcock's best? Better than ... sigh ... what's the point. Lucas = overrated hack with fine imaginative skills. Why anybody apologizes for this money-grubbing whore, I have no idea. Burying the original trilogy is just the final straw. Fuck Lucas. Fuck him up his stupid ass.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 10:32 a.m. CST

    To all the people bitching about the changes...

    by Sod Off Baldric

    If you don't like it, don't buy the discs. That's all you gotta do. Vote with you're wallet. It's the only way Lucas is going to listen. Unfortunately, I know that nine out of 10 fanboys will plunk down their cash and just sit around bitching about how much the disc sucks, even on their 100th viewing. God I hate my fellow nerds sometimes.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 10:40 a.m. CST

    George forgot one thing...

    by Christopher3

    How come Vader in the original trilogy still sounds like James Earl Jones instead of a whiny mallrat?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 10:43 a.m. CST

    This is insanity.

    by radio1_mike

    Lucas can do whatever he wants to his movies-- he brought them into the world, and he can take them out too. His right. BUT, he should have at least have enough respect for the fans to put the original theatrical release with the DVD package. What happens when I am elderly and my memory fails, and I forget the original? I mean for one Star Wars is not sci-fi... It is a SPACE WESTERN. Anyone who does not understand this, has no business posting complaints about this movie. Westerns are usually have themes of redemption, heroism and the struggle between good and evil. This is Star Wars 4-6. For instance I completely agree about Greedo shooting Han first. I was 10 when SW came out, and even then I could figure out that Han was a bad-ass scoundrel with an awesome sidekick. And his sparring with Leia and eventual love in Empire with her was another part of his redemption. Greedo shooting first, and then Han shooting second does not really cheapen Han Solo as a character, but it does lessen the impact of his change in the series. An because George has the right and can do it, does not mean he is not an asshole. Him and Spielberg both are. I want to experience the movies as I experienced them in the theatre, sure clean them up, but don't change the content and not leave us any way to experience them again. Shit on a shingle, walkie-talkies in E.T., Greedo shooting first, what's next? Removing the swaztikas from the Germans in Raiders? Adding a shark-psychotherapist or making Roy Scheider black in Jaws?? (Well, that last one might be cool, but I digress...) Do we have to wait until these idiots are on their death-beds before they release the original theatrical releases? I don't think you'll see Copolla putting TOW rockets when Fredo gets it. Or changing Diane Keaton to Naomi Watts? This is depressing.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 10:47 a.m. CST

    P.S.

    by Christopher3

    Anyone do a phantom edit of AOTC? Excising C3PO and the unnecessary gladiator monstermash would be a good thing.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Is the giant running shoe in space still there too?

    by Alex Rogan

    I gotta get a still screen capture of that. Also, do they use the crappy new music for the Canteena and clebration? Those have got to go too. Plus there has GOT to be some way to re-edit the Han shoots first thing.

  • Swan you're a twit. How the fuck you cannot pick up the simple fact that we only see the "good" jedi in the afterlife shows how inept you must be. Kenobi - and Yoda - are shown as old because they lead a good life and the afterlife in the force *is a fucking extension of it*. For Anakin, there is a break when he goes to the dark and does not return until death. Hence, his redemption at death *returned him to Light Side*.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Play D'oh, you're a moron

    by Jeditemple

    You're too young and stupid to appreciate anything nostalgic, so go watch your Yu-Gi-Oh cartoons and shut the hell up.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Did Lucas ever fix the crummy blue screen monster Luke fights in

    by Crimson Dynamo

    I remember in the Mad magazine parody, Luke escapes by setting fire to the bluescreen

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Those changes sound good, except for the end of JEDI.

    by Mr. Anderson

    The additions to the celebration montage really bother me, for two reasons. First, by showing Naboo, not only does Lucas add Gungans to a movie already chock-full of Ewoks, but he also kills any mystery as to the fate of Naboo. Ever since Episode I I'd been wondering what happened to that nice planet. Did the Empire blow it up to test the Death Star? Did it turn into Dagobah? Nope. Nothing changed, and the Gungans are still alive. Damn. And as for adding the Jedi Temple to the Couruscant skyline, this seems to go against everything we know about the Jedi Purge. Remember when the Taliban blew up all those ancient Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? I always thought the Empire would do the same thing with Jedi relics. If they're killing all the Jedi, why the hell would they leave their temple standing? Wouldn't they have razed it completely and put up a StarWarsbucks? Apparently the Emperor has a greater appreciation for architecture than he previously let on. Oh well... After fast-forwarding through Luke's scream in Empire every time I watched EMPIRE, that change is more than enough to sell me on this DVD set. I'm a hopeless Star Wars loyalist, and I'll be at Best Buy at 12:01 next Tuesday to pick up this set, and I know I won't be alone.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Clive Revill, we hardly knew ye

    by GypsyTRobot

    Anyone see that old Mikado production with Revill as Ko Ko? He was wonderful in the role of the silly tailor turned Lord High Executioner. "To sit in solemn silence in a dull, dark dock / In a pestilential prison with a life-long lock, / Awaiting the sensation of a short sharp shock / From a cheap and chippy chopper on a big black block!"

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 11:41 a.m. CST

    To Killer-Goat

    by Solrider77

    Are you Kidding??? That's a weak excuse man, a very weak excuse..................

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 11:59 a.m. CST

    To Killer-Goat (Let me clarify something)

    by Solrider77

    I think that's a weak excuse because it's so obvious. I know the internet didn't exsit in 1937 or 1954(that's when the revised HOBBIT was published). And that all you geeks care about little outside your own life times. I'm looking for you guys to dazzle me with some remarkable piece of philosophy about how it's wrong for the sole storyteller to change the story over time. That's my challenge.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Greedo must be a hopeless shot....

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    He's what? 3 feet away from him? What kind of bounty hunter misses at that range?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 12:18 p.m. CST

    WTF! Why does Han have four fingers in that pic with Jabba?!

    by oliveboy

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Oh and can someone explain something

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Why is Jabba the Hut in ANH a pussy? I mean, does the Jabba in ROTJ look like the sort of Gangster who'd let a mark step on his tail? I dont think so, especially when you also consider that one of Jabbas henchmen was trying to kill Han in a scene only 2 minutes before. If that were the real Jabba they'd have gone Tarantino on him the minute he stepped into the hangar. Oh and why does Jabba say he'll put a price on Solo's head if he fails to pay when it's already been established that he's done so already?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 12:43 p.m. CST

    The changes in "The Hobbit"...

    by pandamaster83

    Those changes were made to allow the story to progress and allow The Lord of the Rings to make sense. As such, in retrospect, they were clearly changes for the better. I can't see a singing mini ogre (ROTJ SE), a happy Gungan or a young Anakin contributing much to any future Star Wars stories. Also, in the interval between the Hobbit's first publishing and it's new edition, it hadn't gathered nearly as large a following as Star Wars and therefore could be changed with relatively little uproar. In summary, Star Wars didn't need fixing and it was already inthe hands of its audience. The Hobbit did need fixing and hadn't reached it's full audience yet.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I didn't buy them on Ebay, I got them at a comic-convention for

    by Tall_Boy

    Sure, one of them was a 10 dollar coaster, but I figured I'd give it a shot. sides, ANH works fine and that was the most heavily fucked with movie anyway. Anyway, I don't know if they're hong-kong laserdic rips, but they did do a "special features" section - like, 3 interviews with George Lucas and the original 1977 trailer. Pretty neat for a bootleg if you ask me. Ditto for the ESB disc. Anyway, I wouldn't shell out 50 bucks a piece for a bootleg DVD, if it doesn't work you're skrewd. But for 10 bucks a pop, what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 12:44 p.m. CST

    If you read...

    by Childe Roland

    ...genro's post in the voice of the Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons, it's pretty damned funny. Seriously, kids... we're just talking about movies here. Granted, Empire is probably one of the five best films ever made (in that it not only succeeds as a genre film but contains a compelling story, is well paced and acted and hold up today even in its unaltered form), but the other two were pretty crappy (A New Hope gets props for what it did technologically, but it was a terribly written and horribly acted movie with virtually no concept of pacing). If young ghost Anakin is keeping you up nights, you really need to put things in perspective. What if, after Obi Wan's old ghost looks over and sees Anakin's young ghost, he were to close his eyes and make a poop face and then morph into a younger ghost of himself. That'd really help punctuate how folks have been taking this whole franchise way too seriously and Lucas' changes way too personally. Sure, I think he's a giant idiot for trying to pretend the original versions never existed. I think Greedo shooting first is a lame, kid-friendly cop out. But I think most of these updates should be a lot of fun for a guy like me, who's watched all the original films in their unaltered forms more times than he can remember. It freshens up the experience a bit and actually helps me to appreciate the things that worked so well in the original releases. The guy who recommended an Alien-like DVD release including old and new versions was right on the money. Lucas could've pleased all the people all the time with that move and you can't tell me he didn't know it. But he chose not to... which means he's intentionally fucking with those of you who are so greatly offended by his changes. And you're letting him get to you.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 12:46 p.m. CST

    I should say...

    by pandamaster83

    The Hobbit hadn't nearly as large a folling as Star wars, relative to Star Wars' release etc.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 12:50 p.m. CST

    "Hayden Christensen now replaces the elderly Shaw as Anakin, who

    by Spike Fett

    Obi-Swan, I don't think "quaff" means what you think it means.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 12:53 p.m. CST

    If you idiots continue to buy these bastardized versions of Star

    by Megaladon

    Smarten up!

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1 p.m. CST

    Pic of Han & Jabba

    by Spike Fett

    Is it just me, or does it look like Han's dry-humping Jabba in that pic? And is the Jabba scene a self-contained chapter so that I can program my player to skip it?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Crimson Dynamo...

    by Nexus-6

    You were wondering if they fixed the blue screen of Luke fighting the Rancor in Jabba's palace. Yes they have.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Here's my problem with the special editions...

    by Cappybeara

    Why does Lucas keep releasing films that are not completed? I'll focus on A New Hope here. I understand that when it was made, he was under great pressure from the studios to get it done and was running short on money. I get that, but when the SE's came out he still didn't get it right. I don't care who shot first, what bothered me was that it looked bad. The same goes for the Jabba scene. Jabba didn't look right, and Han stepping over the tail looked awful. Lucas shouldn't have made the changes unless he could get them right. Now we have new improved special effects. I hope that they look right. I don't mind the changes made, in fact I hope that when ROTS is finished that he puts all the movies together and adds in all of the deleted scenes (like the Biggs scene from ANH, where is it?) and fixes all of the effects errors for the cohesive 12 hour saga he originally wantd to make. Honestly, If I could get copies of the original trilogy just for nostalgia, I'd be happy.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Oola is actually Jar-Jar...

    by SleepingCat

    And talking about the ghosts, if GL had to use a youthful Anakin, then why didn't he wear his black robes - I don't think he ever wore the gray togas. It's stranger for Luke - there's my pop but he looks younger than me, and I've never seen him before. Maybe GL'll put in Qui-Gon in the next update (HDTV version, newer technology, bla, bla, bla).

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Lucas does NOT have the right to tinker with these movies, no ma

    by Hung-Wei Lo

    All you fucking idiots, including George "I'd-suck-my-own-cock-if-I-could" Lucas, who claim that these movies are his to fuck with, are completely insane. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Was it Lucas's dream to always make the movies he wanted? Yes. Does he own the rights to them? Yes. Doesn't he have the freedom to do whatever he wants to them? HELL NO. When Lucas first came out with the first movie in '77, he wasn't clear on whether or not it was going to be accepted as good, let alone get released. And if that were the case, Empire and ROTJ would have never been made. Episode I-III would never have been made. But it was this massive approval rating by the world that he done good. We dished out the cash because we accepted the movie as a work of great achievement, and still do. We bought multiple tickets as we returned to the theater to experience it again and again, and then went home and dished out more cash for merchandising. This, in turn, made Lucas who he is today -- one rich motherfucker. This also gave Lucas the ability to make all the rest of the Star Wars movies, making them self-financed, and relying on studios mainly for distribution. Bottom line is this -- Lucas gets rich because of the Star Wars fans and those who were caught in each moment that SW was hyped in their lives. To go and shun that entire community will one day be his downfall. He's already on that path, by telling his biggest fans that he is God, which they helped finance, but their love for him and his movies mean absolutely nothing to him -- just keep feeding the glutton. I swear, there are balls, and then there are BALLS! Lucas should be ashamed at his selfishness, his preservation of the original work, and his disdain for the same people that gave him the ability to do whatever he wants in life. My theory on this whole charade is pure and simple -- he's still pissed that nobody liked Jar Jar and now it's payback time!

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Here's another question?

    by Solrider77

    How many of you bought the director's cut of BLADE RUNNER and are championing Ridley's Scott's continuing efforts to redit that film to his sole(sic) satisfaction?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:38 p.m. CST

    No Thanks

    by Kirk's Toupee

    I won't be buying these. If he wants to fuck with the film that's his choice, but I want the film I saw in 77' as a kid not his new "imagined" version. I have to say that I find it sad that he is so obsessed with these films. Its like he can't break away from it and thus he will never be satisfied. As an artist you have to learn to step away from your work and move on. As a painter there are many things I've done that I look at now and cringe. But, I learned to put my brush down and walk away to tackle something else. It seems that George just can't seem to do it. The fact of the matter is that I actually like the guy. And I wish him only more success. But it seems to me he's has a real problem with letting go and so his fans have to suffer these endless revisions of something we all were quite content with. Its just sad.

  • The level of hatred here is truly awe inspiring. Seems like there's nothing like an article about the most successful trilogy of films of all time to bring out the worst in people. We have the glowing positive, we have the blind negative and we get subject titles like the oh so intellegent "Lucas is a fucktard". Exactly how this statement lends itself to any meaningful discourse on film is beyond me. I can only assume that it was written by a tantruming eight year old, because come on people....adults don't talk like that. It has to be a child wanting attention by using daddy's computer to say bad words. Does anybody here (and I'm talking to the grownups now) know exactly what a fucktard is ? Answers on an e-mail please. Okay, lets get to the point. This is IT. This is the holy golden grail of the shiny silver disc that we've ALL been waiting for. (See what I did there ? "All" is in caps because if you haven't been waiting for this, then you should probably be on another website...(Maybe even Google, trying to find out what a fucktard is ?)From what I've seen, heard and read, the movies look better than they've ever looked before and they sound like nothing we've ever heard. To this, I say...BRING IT ON, BABY !!! Okay, the downside is that they've been amended again, but in the grand scheme of things the new amendments are not that big. I'm not gonna lose any sleep over Sebastian Shaw's missing eyebrows and the appearance of Haydn Christensen at the end to me makes sense that Ankin died and was replaced by Vader only to find redemption on his deathbed. Solo should (in my opinion) shoot simultaneously as Greedo, only Greedo shouldn't miss by as much. Makes Solo cooler. But none of these things will lose me any sleep.....what DOES make me lose sleep is the waiting until Monday to get my hands on the set. If however, these changes are all that disturbing to you....chant with me over and over again "it's only a movie, it's only a movie, it's only a movie, it's only a movie".

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Thing I'm most disappointed about is the commentaries

    by Dragonfire

    It's great that Lucas and Irvin are commentating, but I can't believe Carrie Fisher's the only member of the cast doing so. Obviously there was no chance of Harrison Ford doing a commentary, but not getting Luke Skywalker himself to commentate is a massive missed opportunity. Anthony Daniels would have been a good choice as well. As for the changes, I reckon I can get over most of them. The Gungans appearing at the end of ROTJ is a shame, because it's a glaring reminder of one of the things which sucked so much about the prequels, but it'll only be for a few seconds. I don't mind Greedo still shooting first. My problem with that scene was always that it just looked fake, and apparently that's been fixed. I'm glad he took out Luke's scream in Empire because that sucked, but I wish he'd taken out the Jedi Rocks sequence from ROTJ. That scene had no reason to be there. As for the Hayden Christenson change, well, at least he doesn't look like the sixth member of N'sync that played Anakin in Episode II. Whether that change works or not could depends on how good Hayden's performance is in Episode III.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Explaination of Anakin's 'Jedi' Appearance

    by SimmyT

    One explaination of the youthful Anakin Skywalker appearing at the end of 'Jedi' could be that this was what he looked like before he turned to the dark side of the Force. Yoda and OBI Wan both stayed true to the light side of Force until their deaths and that is how they appear in 'Jedi'. Anakin's appearance reflect how he looked when he followed the light side and not the deformaties that come from following the dark side of the Force.Vader's return to the light at the end of 'Jedi' allows him to return in this form - a benefit of following the light side. You don't see Darth Maul or Sidious returning to haunt the Empire. If you don't agree - offer up explaination other than "Fuck GL".

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 3 p.m. CST

    visions at end of ROTJ

    by SPlissken

    speculate all you want. the real answer is that there was some funky sh!t in the funeral pyre that luke lit up darth in. afterwards, they all see some crazy hallucinations like jedi ghosts and nein nubb.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Solrider77 - On Tolkien and Hobbit vs Lucas and Star Wars

    by Sinistar

    Actually, I was aware of the change to The Hobbit. I was aware because I have a copy of The Hobbit from before the alteration was made. The neat thing is that, at some point, that book will become public domain and people will be free to publish the story as it originally appeared because there will still be copies of the original available in archives somewhere. Good fucking luck finding archival copies of an unaltered OTC 100 years from now in a format that will still be usable. I get that Lucas was unhappy with the Star Wars movies upon their release. He has made that abundantly clear. But a lot of us were perfectly happy with them for 20 years, watching them on the big screen, on VHS, on CAVs, and on LaserDiscs, snapping up toys, and books, soundtracks, filling the Internet with our fandom and love of the films. But George is content to say, "Yeah, well, screw all y'all that have kept me fat and happy all this time. I hate the thing you love, so I'm going to change it until I love it and you hate it." Tolkien, however, made one subtle change, that had little impact on the original story, for the sake of continuity. And then he left his story alone. He had one of his characters explain why the change took place, keeping the change within the universe and presenting a plausible reason for the change. Lucas inserted a god damned song and dance number in Jabba's palace. Just because. The Sarlaac got a beak. Just because. Luke screamed, and then he didn't. Just because. The Emperor lost his classic "son of Skywalker" line. Just because. Han shoots in self-defense. Just because. Where are the explanations within the universe that cover all those additions? There are none. They are jarring additions/changes that impact the nature and motivations of major characters, all because Lucas hated his original creations. They are not subtle enhancements of the story for the sake of continuity. So before we go around saying, "Well heck, Tolkien changed stuff too!", let's get some perspective on the type, number, and impact of said changes since the change in The Hobbit is not at all like the changes made to Star Wars.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Buy these on DVD and then return them

    by Motterman2K3

    Tell the retailer you wanted the original versions.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 3:34 p.m. CST

    It's not the film, it's you

    by lettersoftransit

    Nobody every likes any story of fantasy quite the way they like it when they're a kid. That is why you like the old ones, better. Not because they're better, but because you were a kid. My kids saw the new star wars prequels first, and were entranced. They saw the older episodes later, and didn't like them quite as much. Good filmmakers know this, and don't expect their fans to stay ten years old forever. And really good filmmakers do whatever they want to their films, regardless of whether they know some people will complain about it. And I think it speaks well of Lucas that he wants to revisit his old work and make it better. Doesn't matter whether you think it's better. They're his films and he cares about them enough that he wants them to be the best that he feels they can be.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Vader shackled to a slab?

    by Jack Burton

    I've been avoiding any and every bit of info about Ep 3 so that one took me by surprise. I don't want to know what it means, but wondered if I was the only one. As for the change of dialogue in "Empire" between Vader and the Emperor it seems to have more to do with Vader playing dumb then not knowing Luke is his son. At the beginning when the probe transmission from Hoth comes to him Vader says "the rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them." the idea seems to be that Vader wanted Luke to help him overthrow the Emperor ever since he learned he had a son.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Why the OT should NOT "fit" with the Prequels

    by freethinker

    You know, I never see it mentioned that for us old 30ish guys who loved these flicks as kids and vomit over the alterations, is that fact that a good many of us think the prequels are wretched dreck that are completely unwatchable kiddie crap. Menace and Clones suck ass, hands down, and if they were not vaguely Star Wars in some sense, all of you would like them as much as "Krull". They're horrid wretched shit made buy a businessman, not an artist. So, when we are told that these new cuts are meant so that all will "fit together", we don't WANT the old classics to "fit" with the new crap. We want to live in a state of denial where the new ones do not even exist, the special editions never came out, and only, ONLY, the original cuts still survive. It is almost like Lucas knows many of us HATE his new crap, so he practically forces us to eat some of his dreck by fucking with the ones we DO like. I could care less about how awesome the new mix is, my old LD's are quite nice enough. Now, as for the guy who asked why it was OK that Tolkien changed a bit of the Hobbit to match LOTR, this is a false analogy. Hobbit was essentially a kid's book, and LOTR was an epic masterpiece. So, you are essentially saying that it is ok that Lucas changes his earlier kiddie movies to match his new masterpieces, except of course, that is complete horseshit.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Sinistar Responses to my Tolkien vs. Lucas question

    by Solrider77

    Well Sinistar, you were making a good arguement till-("Yeah, well, screw all y'all that have kept me fat and happy all this time. I hate the thing you love, so I'm going to change it until I love it and you hate it.")And then you lost me. BTW that copy of the HOBBIT must be worth something, you should look into selling it. And how come nobody's called me own my Ridley Scott BLADE RUNNER question?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 5:03 p.m. CST

    "Seems like there's nothing like an article about the most succe

    by minderbinder

    I guess I missed that...another article about LOTR? Harry Potter? JP? Or maybe the upcoming Shrek 3 or Spidey 3?

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I'm passing on this.

    by screenplaywriter

    I was happy with the original "SPECIAL EDITION" but this seems too-over-the-top and replacing and remaking the story over and over and over is low, shallow, and confusing and this is why Lucas would've been smart not making the prequels, or making the prequels and then the original trilogy, but I mean I love the prequels and the originals, but I hate these changes. By making Boba Fett as Temeura Morrison is somewhat ok, but yet everyone is use to the original actor's sinister voice and if the adding of Palpatine is to enhance the story than the shock of finding out Anakin is Luke's dad later on will not mean anything. BUT I DO AGREE! "REVENGE OF THE SITH" WILL OWN EVERYONE'S ASSES! THAT "BATMAN BEGINS", "KING KONG", "WAR OF THE WORLDS", AND "FANTASTIC FOUR" WILL KICK ASS!

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 6:09 p.m. CST

    CARRIE!

    by zacdilone

    I will go to my grave believing that Mark Hamill did NOT say "CARRIE!" coming off the X-wing, but in fact was saying "Heyyy!" Listen closely, and you will see I speak truth.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 6:14 p.m. CST

    "He chooses the younger form for Luke's benefit"

    by kiddae

    Yeah! Thanks Dad! I think it is awesome that you are younger and sexier than me, and do not in any way resemble the man whose hat I took off earlier, and it does not freak me out a bit! Eh? As for the idea that "he appears young because that's the last time he was with the Light side", uh, surely the only reason he gets to BE a ghost is because he repents and reverts to the Light side before he dies? Personally I find it much less of a stretch that he'd look like the pristine older self that never existed than I do him looking like the boybander in 70s brown robes that never existed (prove me wrong Episode III, I bet he never wears 'em).

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Solrider, it seems to me from reading these posts

    by jim

    that Lucas making changes is not necessarily the problem so much as what those changes are (and whethere or not they were necessary). Your example of Tolkein changing the Hobbit is a good argument when compared to the inclusion of Hayden at the end of ROTJ - it adds some continuity to the two trilogies. Same goes for adding a shot Gungans also at the end of ROTJ. I can see Lucas' point if he wanted to make changes for the sake of continuity or to plug some plot holes. However, some of these changes seem to create plot holes. Most glaringly, the addition of the Jabba scene in ANH. It has been discussed above why this scene is redundant. This scene is not necessary. It slows the story down. Plus, it makes Jabba less threatening. Obviously he can be reasoned with. But the Jabba we see in ROTJ is totally unreasonable. I believe Lucas regretted cutting this scene from the original release (Jabba was played by a human). He seems so intent on doing the stuff he could not do in '77 but he does not seem to consider whether what he is doing is necessary. Like Jeff Goldblum's line in Jurassic Park about when he says to Hammond that he spent all that time and money proving that he could do it but never stopped to think if he should do it. Tolkein made changes to the Hobbit so it would fit in with LOTR. Lucas seems to make changes for the sake of making changes. As for Blade Runner, maybe no one gripes because a good movie was made better. It seems like many believe that the changes Lucas has made are for the worse, not better.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 6:18 p.m. CST

    And I won't be buying these...

    by kiddae

    All the neckless freak had to do was put back the old Greedo scene and I would have been sold - I'd even endure comedy gay Jamaican space guy celebrations for it - but he just couldn't swallow his pride. (Probably because it wouldn't fit down his absent neck.)

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 6:32 p.m. CST

    *sigh*

    by DrLektor

    What is the problem here? You're actually arguing the Greedo point still? That's so 1990's. blah, my two cents, then, as I've brought it up. The originals clearly show Han to be a doublecrossing rogue SOB who wouldn't hesitate to shoot you if you looked at him wrong, too right, if I was him, I'd have thrown those two hitchhikers out the airlock as soon as I had the chance. But the special editions, they show Greedo shooting first and Han actually dodging the blast in wacky CG motion, robbing Han of something cool. When I saw the footage of young ghostly Anakin a few months ago, I thought it was a fake, I couldn't believe Lucas would stoop so low to change it. Harry or whoever, it's obvious why my email was ignored now, you're clearly pushing the DVD's as being the greatest thing to happen to our generation, yeah, I'm bitter and being childish, I'm also burning the original versions to DVD for my benefit so you can shove this box set up your arse. ^_^

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 6:43 p.m. CST

    oh yeah

    by DrLektor

    I forgot the very thing I wanted to mention... How the hell would Luke know who that young prick Hayden was? His image of Vader is a middle aged guy, granted, he was pale and somewhat bald, but Luke is smart enough to put hair on him and go "oh yeah, there's dad!" Now it's someone else... Luke should be wondering wtf is going on. Like that rumour ages back of Qui Gon's ghost being there too, it would make no sense, Luke has never seen him before. Gungans: "Wesa free" Rest of the universe: "what smells like fish?"

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 6:51 p.m. CST

    It's So Great

    by DSB1369

    To watch SW fans bitch and moan, a little repetitive but always entertaining. I dl'd the DVD the other day and have to say, the brightness and sharpness of color make it look new. It doesn't look like a 70's movie anymore.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Hey, tubby_bitch

    by DocPazuzu

    Like the Steve Martin-haired, be-robed (I guess he can materialize whatever wardrobe he chooses), smiling original Anakin looked like the Humpty-Dumpty head Luke unmasked earlier? I think Luke -- a Jedi, no less -- could figure out or at least sense who the young guy next to Yoda and Obi-Wan was. Who the fuck else would it be? Criticize Uncle George's changing of the scene for being just that, a change. But don't waste energy on contortionist reasons for why the scene doesn't work.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 7:05 p.m. CST

    zacdilone

    by DocPazuzu

    Finally, someone with sense. Hammill never yelled "Carrie." It was indeed "Heeeyy". He even said as much during an interview, citing the fact that most of the dialogue was re-recorded and that an audio slip-up like that wouldn't have made it to the final print.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 7:29 p.m. CST

    2 things

    by Darth Thoth

    1) I thank God Almighty for my old vhs tapes and bootleg DVD-Rs of the theatrical versions of the OT. I really do. 2) Don't underestimate the power of repentance, forgiveness of sin, and redemption. That is what Jesus brings and it offers hope to everyone, regardless of the mistakes we may have made in our lives. That's real.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Reason EMPIRE is the best STAR WARS movie

    by Voice O. Reason

    From Roger Ebert's 1997 review of the SE: ``The Empire Strikes Back'' is the best of three Star Wars films, and the most thought-provoking. After the space opera cheerfulness of the original film, this one plunges into darkness and even despair, and surrenders more completely to the underlying mystery of the story. It is because of the emotions stirred in ``Empire'' that the entire series takes on a mythic quality that resonates back to the first and ahead to the third. This is the heart.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 7:57 p.m. CST

    "It's a totally new movie..."

    by Rupee88

    That's sort of the problem. Some of us like the old movie.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 8:01 p.m. CST

    GEORGE LUCAS RUINED EVERY SINGLE MOVIE EVER MADE, FOREVER!

    by episode2sucked

    He secretly hates ALL you fans, but he still wants your money. How come every time there's a "documentary" about him or Star Wars, they always make a big to-do about how Joseph Campbell or Kurosawa influenced him but, never ever mention how much of it he ripped off from Frank Herbert or Asimov (among others)? Bleat like the sheep you are as you line up for your DVD's, Lucas is laughing his way to the bank and dreaming up ways to simultaneously piss you off and take even more of your cash.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 8:18 p.m. CST

    May the Star Wars Holiday Special one day become a DVD....

    by Iblis_mage

    'Cause truthfully, I'd even rather watch that again than sit through this drek convincing myself it's any good.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Star Wars is for the older geeks. It's so tired for the younger

    by Judge Briggs

    Fuck Lucas. Greedy bitch ass. Peter Jackson is the fucking man who knows how to treat fans cause he is one.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Tad off subject, but...

    by tango fett

    There's pics of the Thing at Hollywood North Report, and let me just say it looks different from the comics...

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 10:59 p.m. CST

    'Ep IV - A New Edit"

    by Smurfy McSmurf

    I have been thinking this forever..as with the 'phantom edit' why doesnt someone just patch in the original scene from LD where Han shoots first and leave the rest alone (or fix the other annoying things too thru the trilogy)- that would be the best compromise we can get- have the movies the way we want them, but perfect digital clarity on the rest of the scenes that arent much different? sounds like a plan

  • all this money and time and energy and space devoted to these crap movies.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Solrider77...

    by Nexus-6

    "Blade Runner: the Director's Cut" did not add anything to the film except the unicorn scene(and maybe Deckard's eyes glowing a bit more). Instead, he took a lot out(the narration, some gore, the "happy" ending) and made it an even better film. You are right about one thing though, better movie or worse movie, the Original 1982 version is not available(and maybe that's all you were trying to say with your post). Yes it should be, although I prefer the new(er) cut. Some people really love that narration though. ----- Or were you talking about the unreleased version? The special edition of the DVD's that was planned, but may never see the light of day, was to add some scenes(Holden in the Hospital is all I can remember) and do some wire removal on the vehicles taking off. As I haven't seen the newer version, I can't say whether these changes are for the better or not. ----- I prefer the Original "Star Wars" movies, but I'm not going to lie, I will buy the DVD set. I already own the OT on DVD with decent transfers/sound, but I never have owned the "special" editions on any format. Not to mention I feel "Empire" was improved. I just wish I knew when the DEFINITIVE "no more changes, they are done" versions will come out. Is this it? Do I have to wait for Lucas to die? ----- Also, a poster above mentioned that Lucas should reinstate the deleted "Luke and Biggs" scene into "A New Hope". No, he shouldn't. That scene is amatuerish at best, and perhaps the gayest(literally) thing Lucas has ever filmed. That Includes the worst moments of the prequels.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 3:08 a.m. CST

    by Thing-Fish

    I can't help but feel that if G-Lu were to release the Original versions, unaltered, ALONG with the "new&improved" versions (Alien Quadrilogy-style), people would happily watch the new versions without bitching about them - they'd even claim those new versions were better. Just a gut feeling though. ____ That said, I can't deny I'm slightly "worried" about the changes - I think the idea to "improve consistency" with the prequel trilogy is in principle a good one (I mean, if you're going to change them, why not improve consistency), but there's the "danger" that these OT movies might no longer stand on their own. Specifically, if -I am to understand- the Emperor reveals the fact that Vader is Luke's father in ESB, then although that might "improve consistency" for the story as a 6-part type thing, it would ruin it for the people would would rather preserve the story dynamic of the original trilogy. Personally, I'd like to have a balance. Ah well. Somehow I suspect I'll live.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 4:18 a.m. CST

    It's COIF not QUAFF

    by grendel824

    Carry on...

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Somebody should do a flawless professional looking/sounding fan

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    For example, in ANH, all that would be needed is to remove the Jabba scene and Greedo's shot.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 7:23 a.m. CST

    "an awesome way to pass the time until episode III". fucking chr

    by Windowlicker74

    this guy has to be the saddest nerd of them all. whats he gonna do? watch those movies for 1000th time until may?

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 8:28 a.m. CST

    "we're all gonna buy these DVDs" Um...nice try...but no.

    by minderbinder

    In fact, I just finished downloading them. And I probably wouldn't have if I had known I could get a DVD version of the original as well. Whatever, blank media is cheap so I'll probably just burn the new versions and watch them once out of curiousity before retiring them for the "classic" versions. Sorry george, none of my cash goes in your pockets.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Gravano

    by Hamish

    Yeah, cos it was Jackson's idea to squeeze as much money out of Rings as possible. Couldn't have been the bean counters at New Line, oh no. Ass. MR Jackson tries to keep Tolkien fans happy by providing the extras, and jerks like you shit on him for it. Way to go.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 8:37 a.m. CST

    please

    by BLWiseass

    I'm not going to be one of those "geroge lucas raped my childhood people" but i will say that as long as Greedo shoots first/at the same time/at all, i WILL NOT purchase a Star Wars DVD set. I honestly can't understand why Lucas won't release the original theatrical versions we all know and love on DVD. He has been quoted as saying he didn't want to invest the money, but if he were to release thema year or two from now there is no doubt that every Star Wars fan in the world would buy them, making Mr. Lucas even more buttloads of money. And what better way for Lucas to show off all of the digital techniques he uses, many of which he pioneered, than to have a "special edition" and an original theatrical (albeit restored) edition released for comparrison. I know i am speaking to a brick wall here but PLEASE George, release the originals on DVD. Oh and having a young Annakin ghost is complete B.S.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 9:04 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by kiddae

    Does Sebastian Shaw without burnt-guy make-up look anything like Sebatian Shaw with burnt-guy make-up? Yes, quite a bit in fact. But you're right, obviously he would be able to sense who the Haydenghost is, that's not my biggest sticking point at all. Do you honestly think it's less "contortionist" that "uh, he was last with the Light side as a young man, apart from when Luke takes the mask off... but then he's all burnt anyway... and you can't have a burnt ghost... so obviously he goes back to looking like when he was last all in one piece... and a goodie... plus he chooses to do it... because kids love to see their dads younger than them"? C'MON MAN, THAT IS COLD RIDICULOUS. It'd make more sense for the ghost to be the Humpty-Dumpty head in black armour.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 9:29 a.m. CST

    New Emporor scene

    by MoshMasterD

    How can Vader not know who Luke is, even though he said "... and I'm sure Skywalker is with them." when he discovers Hoth is where the Rebels are?

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 10:19 a.m. CST

    But the box is fucking Kool & the Gang

    by Spike Fett

    I may prefer the originals (which I have on THX remastered laserdisc -- where effects like matte lines and the blob under the landspeeder were cleaned up, BTW), but I can't resist this box set. The commentaries and the extras disc make it worth it, and that silver box, with Vader's profile on one side, the classic art on the other, and the Death Star on the spine... dude, I cannot resist the dark side in this case. That's just going to look too good on my shelf for me to say no. I'd like to have integrity and support the cause and all, but fuck it. I guess I'm just a pathetic fanboy after all.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 10:42 a.m. CST

    "WORST COSMIC WARS EVER! I will only see it three more times...t

    by Tall_Boy

    I wonder how many frothing at the mouth fanboys anti-Lucas are rushing out with mommy and daddy's money on September 21st to buy these DVDs? I'm guessing.... 100%!

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 12:20 p.m. CST

    AOTC and TPM have "amazing" special effects? Can I have a hit of

    by beamish13

    They would look great as computer games, but as films they're disastrous. oh, and wasn't Larry Kasdan going to be on the commentaries? I saw him speak at WGA West in June, and he (subtly) trashed Lucas and his "updated" special effects

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 12:37 p.m. CST

    "I'm not going to buy them! Take THAT, Lucas!"

    by Shawn F.

    Aren't you the King of the Insects for not buying the Star Wars DVDs. Ooooooooohh, such a rebel! Bunch of whiny cunts.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 12:49 p.m. CST

    tubby_bitch 2

    by DocPazuzu

    "uh, he was last with the Light side as a young man, apart from when Luke takes the mask off... but then he's all burnt anyway... and you can't have a burnt ghost... so obviously he goes back to looking like when he was last all in one piece... and a goodie... plus he chooses to do it... because kids love to see their dads younger than them"? "..... Dude, I'm not with the people carrying on like that. All my point is about, is that a Force ghost can probably take any form it wants. That whole "Anakin died as a young man" shit is dumb. As much as I dislike the idea of Vader getting off so easily after decades of evil, I also realize that his redemption loses all meaning if the "real" Anakin died when he became DV.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 1 p.m. CST

    NONE OF THE STAR WARS MOVIES ARE BETTER THAN RAIDERS

    by slone13

    NONE. There's nothing to debate.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 1:02 p.m. CST

    RE: How can Vader not know who Luke is, even though he said "...

    by pip1345

    He's lying to the Emperor, obviously.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 2:05 p.m. CST

    If the alternative is "you whiny cunts will all buy it, Lucas ow

    by minderbinder

    You apologists are good at this, you've figured out a way for uncle G to make you his bitch whether you buy them or not...

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 2:51 p.m. CST

    "also to give just a small bit of reverence to the creator of a

    by minderbinder

    You just summed up exactly why I won't be buying the DVD's (or spending a cent on anything else he creates).

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Most of the changes in the new versions of the trilogy are OK wi

    by jawaburger

    But one of the worst offenders has got to be jabbas palace. When they do that "fun little song and dance routine" What the fuck is that little reptilian hampster doing there. Jabba would eat that thing. I much preferred that ant-eater looking thing with stalky legs and that blue playdough elephant on keys. Oh, and they cut out the yub-yub song at the end. I am suprised no one else "misses" the yub-yub song.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 3:38 p.m. CST

    orionsangels, blu-ray discs are not backwards compatible

    by jawaburger

    There are two competeing formats for High-def DVD. There is blu-ray, and HDDVD. Blu-ray is the likely successor, and is NOT backwards compatible with current DVDs or CDs. Only HDDVD, which is different I assure you, would be backwards compatible. And it looks likely that it will not be the front runner.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 3:41 p.m. CST

    solrider 77, about BR.

    by jawaburger

    The studio made Ridley Scott make the changes to his original version. The directors cut was him putting the movie back the way he wanted it in the first place. The fucking narration that Harrison Ford did was lame, and wasn't supposed to be there in the first place. He was called in to do it after everything else was in place. Nexus-6 got all my other points.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Empire Myth

    by invaderzim365

    I see you are continuing to spread the myth that Empire Strikes Back is the best of the trilogy rather than the only truly good movie of the three: A New Hope. People like Empire because of the Darth and Luke battle. That's it. Empire saw the introduction of the most idiotic muppets and Sesame Streets Grover (the voice of the idiotic muppet) to the series. It also spawns the gay version of Luke. Ep. 5 also is when the bad, wooden acting really began. And talk about bad lines! "Laser brain!" "Scruffy Nerf Herder!" It also proves that Luke is WAY over his head when Vader so convincingly kicks his ass. The coolest part is when Han sees Vader and instantly starts shooting and Vader effortlessly blocks it. That part ruled. And Vader kicking Luke's ass was cool too. None of the other movies have been as pure as the original. Now Lucas has raped that beyond all recognition. I hope Bush gets re-elected and nukes Skywalker Ranch.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 4:03 p.m. CST

    thanks

    by ScaryJim

    i just feel i should say thanks for keeping me entertained for the last hour. lol. nothing to add..

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 4:11 p.m. CST

    The yub-yub song & the dance number

    by Thing-Fish

    I agree with jawaburger; I most definitely "miss" the yub-yub song. And the "fun song" in Jabba's palace is the single most offending change to the movies. THAT SAID, recently I bought the OT on bootleg DVD, and included on the "special features" was something I had repressed from memory, namely, a "video clip" of an extended version of the Jabba palace dance number, complete with cheesy '80s-style pop music and bad muppet effects. It was cut from the final movie, but it really did exist. So, in a way, all G-Lu (love that joke) did was to "re-insert" a deleted scene and "improved" it... in a way... I have to admit, that as much as I hate the "fun dance number", it's much better than the original version of the dance number. Oh well. _______ BY THE WAY, does anybody know whether the line "you're lucky you don't taste very good" has been restored in the new DVDs? I dearly miss that line.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 4:24 p.m. CST

    "People like Empire because of the Darth and Luke battle. That's

    by Voice O. Reason

    Evidently you've never seen the asteriod field chase, watched the battle against the AT-ATs, or ever even heard of Yoda.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Actually, I have

    by invaderzim365

    Asteroid chase-I'll give you that one, but it was ruined by the giant worm thing. Plus it was really unbelievable. AT-ATs-Those sucked. The movement was horrible. Straight out of Godzilla. The way they were destroyed was terrible. Yoda-Muppet with Grover's voice. He sucked.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 4:51 p.m. CST

    I'm with invaderzim

    by Super Person

    I hate everything.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 5:47 p.m. CST

    so...where's the best place to get non-bastardized SW DVD's?

    by beamish13

    I need advice, people. and what are the "fan commentaries" like?

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Funniest Talkback in a Long While

    by TheDarkShape

    I can just imagine JoeBlow Lucas Hater (you can spot him... excessively uses "!", thinks he's God of the universe, etc.) sitting in his parents' basement, chugging down another RedBull and adjusting his already large glasses, just as he's about to type another post on his greasy keyboard. Yup, just the kind of guys Lucas should listen to.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 6:33 p.m. CST

    beamish

    by minderbinder

    As someone already mentioned, all three of the original cuts are on the newsgroup alt.binaries.starwars. You'll need a decent news server, a decent connection, and a DVD burner. Good luck.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Hey Reno Nevada 2000..........

    by Shaner Jedi

    "However, I'm staying true to my word and will not be dropping two Franklins on this set. Sure Lucas ain't going to miss my forty bucks" Uhh......I'm sure you don't have much money to spend at any time. Ol' Ben is on the $100 bill!

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 7:06 p.m. CST

    " People like Empire because of the Darth and Luke battle. That'

    by The Killer-Goat

    Right.... other than the 4 or 5 other things you mentioned. (cough) Oh wait, you listed Darth kicking Luke's ass twice. Guess you liked it that much.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 7:29 p.m. CST

    The OT SW DVDs are oficially here- Let the whining commenence

    by Eye_H8_U

    How dare that George Lucas change his movies around. How dare he! I was so emotionally attatched to LeptiNek and now I am forced to listen to Jedi Rocks. What a fucker! How dare he replace the legendary actors Jeremy Bulloch and Sebastian Shaw with those no-talents Temula Morrison and Hayden Christensen. They are talentless hacks that couldn't hold a candle to the superior original actors! And what the fuck is with Lucas replaceing the old lady w/ baboon eyes in ESB w/ Ian McDiarmid. Just coz that fucker has played the Emperor since ROTJ he thinks he owns the role or something? Han Solo shot that bastard Greedo in cold blood. None of this Greedo shooting first bullshit! WAHWAHWAH! I am a social retard that can't deal w/ changes because it causes me to go into nervous fits! WAH WAH WAH! LUCAS RAPED MY CHILDHOOD! HE IS DEAD TO US! I will never go see REVENGE OF THE SITH now! Not in a milion-gajillion years! That'll teach him! Yeah yeah!

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 9:28 p.m. CST

    you people are fucking pathetic

    by I Dunno

    If you don't like the movies or the changes or the creator then ignore it. Don't waste your valuable (?) time on this planet explaning to a bunch of strangers exactly how much you hate it. You don't see me wasting my time on that homosexual wank-fest LOTR.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Anakin's "Force Ghost"

    by Crimson King

    I apologize for any redundancy, by the way. Ok, so I agree with what was said about how the whole Force Ghost thing can be interpreted, that the dude who went to the Dark Side gets "rewarded" while the other dude who lived a good life doesn't. Well, I think the way they're looking at it is, Anakin "died" when he became Darth Vader. Remember, that's what Obi-Wan said.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 10:50 p.m. CST

    I don't really care either way, but...

    by magic_ninja

    Haven't really been a big Star Wars fan in a while. The only change that really bothered me was the pussy ass scream by Luke in Empire (and I also miss the Yub Yub song from Jedi). However, I do think that replacing Shaw with Hayden at the end of Jedi makes no fucking sense whatsoever, and no amount of nerdish explanations will convince me otherwise. Seems to me that Lucas would have made even more money releasing both versions, so that it would make the extreme old school fans happy, as well as the hardcore fans that would foolishly go out and purchase one of each version of the box set.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 11:12 p.m. CST

    "You don't see me wasting my time on that homosexual wank-fest L

    by minderbinder

    Well...except for just now...

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Missing scenes?

    by Thing-Fish

    Crimson king, that's a good point; Obi-wan did indeed say so! Hadn't thought of that yet. As a personal aside: love your user ID - Fripp&Belew rule. _____________ BTW, I don't know if this is true or not, but I just read a post on the IMDB which claimed that several scenes have been deleted. Copy&Paste: - missing is the conversation between General Veers and Darth Vader, where Veers tells Vader he can safely begin his descent. - missing is the snow-speeder crashing into the AT-AT of General Veers.. - missing is the complete rendevous between Luke and the surviving rebel forces before they take off of Hoth - missing is the scene where Luke tells R2 that they are not going to the Rendevous point in Space with the rest of the fleet.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 11:38 p.m. CST

    I will buy this set...

    by tango fett

    because I can't stand watching my shitty, full screen THX Original Trilogy VHS any more. I actually like the changes, but I would have liked to see the rumoured vamped-up Vader vs Obi Wan fight in Ep. IV (yes, I'm a nerd about saying episode names instead) because after recently watching the original and special editions, the fight consists of two old guys in suits hitting each other with glow sticks. Not very exciting. The only change that bugs me is the Anakin ghost thing. "Looks like something I haven't sensed since..."

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 11:42 p.m. CST

    ...meaning I don't hang out in LOTR TalkBacks spewing the same

    by I Dunno

    Jebus everything has to be explained in detail to you nimrods. As for the people crying over Anakin's young ghost, um, did I miss something or did -same actor or not- old dying Anakin looked nothing like old ghost Anakin so what's the difference? Christ you people are over-critical wankers when it comes to SW. Go finish your pre-algebra homework so you'll have time to jack off to the latest Harry Potter nonsensical abortion an leave SW alone.

  • Sept. 18, 2004, 1:48 a.m. CST

    re: Missing Scenes?

    by cybertrent

    "missing is the conversation between General Veers and Darth Vader, where Veers tells Vader he can safely begin his descent." The scene is included. "missing is the snow-speeder crashing into the AT-AT of General Veers" Maybe. I couldn't find it, but don't feel much like looking. "missing is the complete rendevous between Luke and the surviving rebel forces before they take off of Hoth" The scene is included. "missing is the scene where Luke tells R2 that they are not going to the Rendevous point in Space with the rest of the fleet." The scene is included.

  • Sept. 18, 2004, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Old Obi-wan

    by ROBE

    It makes sense that Obi-Wan should look old because that is how Luke Remembers him. It would be a bit pointless for Obi-Wan to appear young when Luke never new him like this. However if Ob-Wan showed up in front of Jar Jar Binks he would appear as Jar jar new him i.e. a younger Obi-Wan. It would not make sense for Anakin to show up as an old man as he was part mechanical then.

  • Sept. 18, 2004, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the clarification...so complaining only becomes "over

    by minderbinder

    A distinction that will surely be noted by all the other apologists.

  • Sept. 18, 2004, 10:37 a.m. CST

    star wars: a new point

    by ScaryJim

    can somomeone please make a new point for people to argue over -i'll admit the same conflicts were interesting for an hour of reading or so but please- think of something new . Do it for the people that aren't huge starwars fanboys, the people who come here for ENTERTAINMENT. I'm really glad Lynch didn't end up directing empire, fuck can you imagine? 'greedo didn't shoot first , han was dreaming and imagined himself as greedo shooting first then woke up , upon waking up had no memory and was the rancor.. ' then lucas comes back and re edits years later.. this TB would be a bloodbath or wouldn't exist at all LOL. Perhaps Lucas should be allowed to re edit other great films for comedy value, u could have these fuck up lucas edits of all films so we could all laugh at how arse they are. Umm as stated before i don't really care , not a bit AH FUCK IT I WANT TO MURDER THE CNUT ok , feel better now.

  • Sept. 18, 2004, 11:44 a.m. CST

    I'M CONFUSED

    by DECKERS

    I was all set to buy this new DVD set when a pal told me that there will be ANOTHER release following EPIII of ALL six movies with ALL NEW inserts (I am sure I have read here that Portman has filmed a scene to be inserted into ROTJ)If this this is the case I think I'll hang into my hard-earned. Can anyone enlighten?

  • Sept. 18, 2004, 12:18 p.m. CST

    all these changes...

    by Master Shake

    I think i threw up in my mouth a little bit.

  • Sept. 18, 2004, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Thanks, cybertrent!

    by Thing-Fish

    Thans, cybertrent! That's reassuring.

  • Sept. 18, 2004, 2:27 p.m. CST

    so . . . big gulps, eh?

    by jawaburger

    sorry, had nothing more to add.

  • Sept. 18, 2004, 10 p.m. CST

    from the NY TIMES 9/16

    by m2298

    "Despite the fact that Mr. Lucas has spent the 30-plus years since "THX" working on projects with a decidedly commercial ring (a vintage BOBA FETT is probably waiting right now on eBay), he said he felt his first film was more reflective of his personality. "That's the real me," said Mr. Lucas, who these days looks like a cross between KENNY ROGERS and MICHAEL McDONALD. "For years, I've been doing the pretend me,'' Mr. Lucas said. "I've been successful at it. But my true nature is really "THX" and that's the kind of movie I thought I was going to be making the rest of my life and that I wanted to make and just never - I got sidetracked with all these opportunities. I just sort of got trapped into this thing, which I enjoyed doing a lot, but it's not completely reflective of what I like to do. I never thought I'd get stuck doing kids' films for the rest of my life." Kind of puts all this in perspective, no?

  • Sept. 19, 2004, 4:09 a.m. CST

    sorry, off topic, but I must speak out against the narration in

    by jawaburger

    Ridley Scott didn't want it in the movie, Harrison Ford didn't want to speak it. It is totally redundant to what is happening on screen. It's like saying Alien was cool, but if Ripley told me what was happening on screen while I saw it, the movie would have been way cooler. Like in the beginning of BR, Deckard was in the police station talking about the escaped "skin jobs", then he narrates "skin jobs are what we call the replicants." Its all stuff you can infer from watching the movie. If you need someone to talk you through the harder scenes, give me a call. Ridley Scott is a visual director, and when you have some pathetic droning of a narration, it takes away from the visual experience of the movie, it doesn't enhance it. I don't need someone telling me exactly what I am seeing for the whole movie. It is like watching a movie on DVD with a crappy commentary

  • Sept. 19, 2004, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Sinistar the "son of skywalker" line is still in there.

    by Tall_Boy

    goddamn TB software erased my response, but yeah, that line is still in there and the way that Ian growls "the son of skywalker" as opposed to the hollow voiced original monkeyface is badass.

  • Sept. 19, 2004, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Vader/Anakin didn't "repent" on his death bed...

    by ZeroCorpse

    He changed BEFORE he was fatally wounded, remember? His switch back to the light side was punctuated by a selfless act of bravery to save his son- One that cost him his own life. He died saving the galaxy from the Emperor. I'd say that earns you the right to appear as any age jedi ghost you wish. Personally, though, I prefer the idea that they appeared as Luke might recognize them, and in Anakin's case he "re-set" to the last form he was in before he switched to the dark side. It's not that he "died" when he became Vader, but that his progression in the light side teachings ended at that point. Sith don't appear as ghosts (and obviously, only Jedi can see Jedi ghosts, otherwise the Ewoks would have been going apeshit, wouldn't they?) and Jedi seem to only appear through an act of will and direct it at one person. They're not so much "ghosts" as visualizations for the viewer's sake. There's no reason they couldn't look however they wish. Obviously Obi-Wan and Yoda wouldn't appear young to Luke because they were never young around Luke, and because they were at peace as old Jedi. Anakin chose the most pleasing form he could remember, which happened to be the time before he fell to the dark side. It's really not tough to rationalize it. Either way, it's not "Jedi heaven" or "death-bed repentence" in this case. They don't talk about heaven or hell in Jedi terms. They become One With The Force, which really means they lost their bodies, become force-spirits, and eventually lose their identity as they fade into the Force itself. It's nothing like Christian repentence and rewards. It's more like taoist philosophy and Chinese ghosts.

  • Sept. 19, 2004, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Quaff--- Not wrong per se.. just misspelled.

    by Holly_Wight

    I suspect he meant "coiff" (hairstyle) and not "quaff" (drink heartily). To be fair, they are pronounced almost the same, depending on where you live. And I like the changes. An artist has the right to change their work until they are dead. OTHER people don't have any right to change an artist's work, though. I myself change my writing and music all the time, until I'm satisfied. If you don't like Lucas' changes, then don't buy it. I have mine reserved already... I'm happy to pay the man for a few hours of entertainment. (Ahem. It's not how it sounds)

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Gravano

    by LordZanthos

    Look here, mr Sycophant of Lucas's blunderhood, There are only two editions of any LotR movies 1: Theatrical release (wide or full-screen choice), 2: Extended edition... thats it. Not re-releasing, changing, edited, crap-filled, nausea-inducing musical numbers inserted pieces of trash that bukoo bucks lucas keeeps churning out. Sure, Star Wars was great... unitl Lucas forgot about art, and got into merchandising. He's now a hack surrounded by yes men, none of whom can stop releasing multiple versions of the same, freaking films! Let us count the ways: 1: original individual VHS 2: giftbox w/special art 3: laserdisc edition 4: THX enhanced w/ new photo art 5: SE widescreen & fullscreen 6: SE widescreen & fullscreen w/new art 7: DVD Super SE widescreen & fullscreen Maybe you had better learn to count before ripping on someone. I'm going to rent and burn copies of the new SE DVDs, and edit them to my heart's content.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Glad I ponied up for the *ahem* DVD "backups."

    by Gul Shah

    Rips right from the laser disc. Nice quality--considering the source. I'll still pick up the new Trilogy, just to see the restoration and extras, but I've still got the "Han-shoots-first" version for good measure. By the way, I just watched the "director's cut" of THX 1138 last night. You know what? Ol' Georgie actually made a cracking good distopian art film! Tons of stuff--especially Walter Murch's sound--foreshadows the Star Wars movies. A must for any fan.

  • Sept. 20, 2004, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Response to Solrider77's Tolkein question

    by WillowFan2001

    Ah, Solrider. It is right for Tolkein and wrong for Lucas, and let me tell you why. If Tolkein really changed "The Hobbit" as much as you say, it essentially became a new work of art, one that specifically tied in with his trilogy. Lucas, on the other hand, has made mostly cosmetic changes, which I dislike for two reasons. First, what's the REAL difference between a 90% realization and a 96% realization of a majestic spectacle such as "Star Wars"? I would argue none. Let the original films stand...they're pretty frickin' good as they were, no? Let "Star Wars" be a timeless testament to the best possible science fiction of the 70's and early 80's--don't try to make it timeless by spreading its creative arts across decades. Second, Lucas seems to have an inability to recognize which "cosmetic" changes will have actual impact on the way we view the plot and characters. (Paging Mr. Greedo. Mr. Greedo, you need to fire SECOND. Mr. Greedo, fire second.) So, Tolkein redesigned his original skyscraper, and created something even more majestic. Lucas, meanwhile, has been tinkering with the windows on the 74th floor of his building for years. I'm just saying that if you give the Mona Lisa a few shots of Botox, maybe you'll end up losing some of that enigmatic quality that made her so interesting in the first place.

  • Sept. 22, 2004, 7:50 a.m. CST

    What an embarrassment

    by BarrelRider

    Seriously, Obi, you haven't done much for the reputations of Sci-fi fans. I mean, did you really have to linger on the supposed Oola "tit slip"? Then proceed to show us photos showing the incident, which prove that you don't even know what the word "nipple" means, presumably because you've never seen one, not even your own, which are almost certainly located somewhere under your armpits. You guys are an embarrassment sometimes. Please stop making life hard for fans of sci-fi and fantasy. Anyway, this article was (mostly) about the new editions. I'm generally very impressed, particularly with some of the blackline work in Jedi, and the retouched Jabba scene in ANH, which still ain't exactly perfect but is an enormous improvement. He really should have got rid of Greedo shooting first, but whatever, I guess he was real determined about that one because of all the vitriol aimed at it. Keeping it in is a big "fuck you" to those people who criticised it too vocally. The change to the Emperor's dialogue in ESB is interesting, but doesn't quite make sense, even if Vader does know about Luke in Ep 3. I mean sure, he could be trying to hide the truth from the Emperor, but he seems quite quick to assure him that Luke will join them or die. I dunno. Anyway, what little we've seen of Ep3 looks quite fun, although i expect the dialogue will be as atrocious as we've come to expect of the prequels. I quite surprised at how much criticism of himself Lucas allowed on some of the documentaries and featurettes - stuff like Harrison Ford calling him impatient with the acting process and Fisher slyly ribbing Lucas' insistence on image rights ("I have to pay him $2 every time I look in the mirror"). Sometimes the documentary is simply bizarre, like when they start talking about Lucas' divorce and the sad music comes on. It's a bit heavy when he moans about being left to raise his daughter on his own. C'mon George - I think by that time you had the cash to pay a childminder, plus if you'd have actually stayed with your (far more talented) wife, the prequels might not have been the awful pap they've been so far!!

  • Sept. 25, 2004, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Anakin is young because

    by Sro100

    It was the last time he had a whole human body and it was the last time he was a Jedi.