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Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...
I got a little sneak peek at some design work from this film the other day. Not a lot. Just enough to whet my appetite. I have to say... this may be the most perfectly cartoonish Burton film in quite a while if they make the whole world look like the bits and pieces I saw.
Sometimes, you pick up news in the oddest places. I was watching the magnificent new FORBIDDEN ZONE DVD the other day, and in the extras, there’s a big batch of interviews with the principals in the film conducted by Richard Elfman himself. One of the most interesting ibts of that interview is when he ends up talking to Danny Elfman. They talk a bit about their days in The Mystic Knights Of Oingo Boingo, and then Richard asks Danny about playing the Devil in FORBIDDEN ZONE. And then he compliments him on his work as Jack in THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, which leads Richard to ask, “Is there any chance you’ll ever sing in a movie again or perform a part like that again?”
And, perfectly casual, like it’s already common knowledge, Danny says, “Yeah, actually. I’m singing all of the Ooompa Loompa songs in CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY. I’ll be doing the voices of the Oompa Loompas.”
This sounds freakin’ great. Danny Elfman doing an adaptation of the Roald Dahl work and actually performing the parts? Sign me up for a copy of that soundtrack... RIGHT... NOW.
"Moriarty" out.
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those were the days... Tim didn't chose to fuck up classics with TWO remakes...
Well, Scorcese is about to direct his second remake, the Coen brothers made one last year...
Hollywood is not dead, but a good old coma is in sight... -
I am totally looking forward to this flick. Sure, most remakes are awful ideas, and sure, the original is a great film on its own. But come on--this movie sounds incredible. I can't wait.
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As will this!
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Sep 15, 2004 5:03:01 AM CDT
This film will only 'rule' if it is being set where it belongs..
by workshed
It should be ambiguous as to which town in the North is portrayed but I always had the feeling (from the book) that Dahl envisaged Charlie living in Manchester/Sheffield/Nottingham. These cities, whilst modern and cosmopolitan today, were well grimey when I was young. The main point is that Charlie is NOT, repeat, NOT an American with flowing blond locks. Anyone who thinks that the original movie is a classic has never read the book. The one standout moment is 'Pure Imagination' and Wilder carries the whole, lame-scripted mess. UP AND OUT!!!
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starring Harvey Keitel as Tracey Ulman as The 12th Disciple. Creepy.
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was reportedly so angry with the treatment of his book (mainly stemming from the massive rewrite by David Seltzer) that he refused permission for the book's sequel, Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, to be filmed. Looking at the film, I can see why he was so incensed, it's tripe!
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Just thought I'd say it before someone else did. Actually he's a very talented hack whose work I happen to quite enjoy, but I've never fathomed the degree of sacrosanct worship the guy gets. Why is it akin to blasphemy among fanboys (and fanGIRLS) to say "everything he does sounds the same"?
ah well. let the crucifitcion begin. -
"Oh, you mean it doesn't exist?" "Oh!"
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The Oompa Loompa's were so cheesy in the first film. I think Burton should play up the sinister side of them. Make them creepy little trolls that you don't really trust.
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There's a certain symmetry to that.
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When it comes to visual curiosities in film, nobody can top good old Tim Burton......not being sarcastic by the way. Go Tim. He seems to bring the best out in his crew.
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The first film is magical. These days it gives me chills to hear the words re-make or re-imagining. That being said, if you're going to remake this film, this new version is in good hands. This is a story that screams for Mr. Tim Burton's involvement. His style lends itself to the production.
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Mori, some advice: Avoid using
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Cause if it ain't this'll be the second flick of Burton's I will never see, right behind "Planet of the Motherfuckin' Ape's"! Don't get me wrong I have faith in Timbo, just less than what I use too!
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Your a funny bastard George, you just made some weird shiit i'd never seen come out my nose!
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Why? --- Personally I'd like to see the money and talent put into original prijects, than see classics remade.
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Sep 15, 2004 8:57:44 AM CDT
So the score WON'T just be children going la-la-la-la-la-la-la-l
by rev_skarekroe
Can he still do that? sk
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OOMPA LOOMPA DOOMPADEE BROTHER,
I'VE GOT A PERFECT PUZZLE FOR YOU -
Sep 15, 2004 9:31:17 AM CDT
For starters, this story is an anti-feminist torture device...
by anna valerious
Anyway, I'll get straight to the point-I'd like to see Dvorgi devour them whole. Or they should've been devoured by that awful monster on the island. I'm telling you...they're torturers...
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Sep 15, 2004 9:36:04 AM CDT
Chicken George, avoid using the phrases "Cool ass" ans "Chocolat
by mortsleam
And thus...you're outta the closet!
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Sep 15, 2004 9:59:55 AM CDT
C'mon Tim, enough of the fairy tale crap, make it REALLY DARK.
by floyd gondolli
Lonely, creepy old man (named Willy Wonka!) invites young children into his enchanting ginger-bread factory populated only by child-like workers. Why? To see which child he could live with, forever, in his fantastical Neverland. Finally the first mainstream film about paedophilia (of course, the original Willy Wonka only hinted at it).
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Moriarty's quoting that slightly out of context. He's doing all the voices RIGHT NOW since it's just the demo track. He went on to say that it remains to be seen how much of him will be in the final product. He might just be AN Oompa-Loompa.
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He can come up with an interesting track or three, can jingle out a mood tune and occasionally, once in a while, a memorable melody (although... how long has it been since "Batman"?). ...But I just don't see how any movie score lover -- or any serious music lover -- could be too enamored of a man who only comes up with the tunes. I'll be interested in a Danny Elfman score the day he orchestrates and conducts. Who DOES do that for his scores, anyway? Interns? Uncredited score doctors? Journeyman conductors? ...I'd love to find out that I'm wrong and Elfman's been doing his own orchestration, and conducting, for a while now. What's the difference? All the difference in the world. The difference between Elfman and Goldsmith, or even Shore, or John "God" Williams. Those men know their craft beyond sketching out a tune-concept on a Casio. It's the difference between being able to draw what a sculpture should end up looking like, and being able to sculpt it. So, again, someone tell me Elfman's learned his craft and I'll happily take back a lot of this. ...Though, that wouldn't make his work the past 10 years any more interesting. Just less vapid and ignorable. Go back to pop music, Elfman! You were great at it, but never outgrew your roots!
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Aren't these the two f_cktards that ruined "Planet of the Apes?" Screw them and their re-makes. People have fond memories of the original movie and will hate this version with utter contempt. What happened, Tim??? Can't you do anything original anymore or have you completely sold out to Hollywood???
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I am not excited about this Willie Wonka remake. Why? Planet of the Apes. Burton likes to make films based on his passions now ... which is a great thing, but unlike his work on PeeWee and Batman, these days he will phone in his movie if he's a hired gun. Planet of the Apes was a subpar effort because the movie HE wanted to do got a sh!tcanned and he was recruited to remake Apes. Same with this Charlie and The Chocolate Factory. For some reason, I don't think Burton has had this "burning desire" to remake that film, just like when he did the remake of Apes and the movie wiil suffer for it. Sure, it'll be Burton and it will be "Burtonesque" and it's a better fit than Apes (some movies don't need the benefit of being Burtonesque), but the love won't be there and it will show.______________Me? I would love to see him make an all-out Hammer-style Horror film (with no comedy elements). I remember this site trumpeting a script for Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula once that was suppose to be fantastic. Whatever happened to that? Somebody put it on Burton's desk.
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Does anyone else think that the original film's Oompa Loompas look like test subjects for Mystic Tan? Paris Hilton in a fun-house mirrow = Oompa Loompa.
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Sep 15, 2004 12:23:21 PM CDT
R.C.'s opinion: This film will rule! Two words will guarentee
by r.c. the "wise"
Nuff Said!
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Sep 15, 2004 12:27:27 PM CDT
I can't really fault Tim Burton entirely for The "Apes" disaster
by timbenzedrine
From what I remember, Tim was brought in after they had already started production. 20th Century Fox was desperate to have a name director attached to it. (Back in the early 90s they were trying to get Cameron to do it, and he wisely said no) The problem has always been the fucked up script, which was tinkered with endlessly, and never really did make any sense.( and don'i bother posting that you "figured out" the ending, because the truth is, and a Fox exectutive even admitted in print that the ending was just tacked on to "make audiences go 'woah!'"-nothing more.) So "Apes" was going to be trainwreck no matter who worked on it, and until Studio exects understand that coherent scripts are important, and that they should leave the writing to actual writers, and not change things just to assert their influence, or just for the sake of change, we can expect most movies made today, remakes, reimaginigs, rehashes, whatever you what to call them, to suck.
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Sep 15, 2004 12:43:42 PM CDT
And since I can't resist anything that combines the phraises "Co
by timbenzedrine
"Come along children, in this room we're giong to watch the Oompa- Loompahs pack some fudge."
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The Oompa Loompa's sang in the book.
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...with a couple of interesting exceptions.
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Sep 15, 2004 1:56:45 PM CDT
So is Veruca going to be attacked by squirrels in this one?
by timbenzedrine
Aside from the fake Sluggworth story thread and the fizzy- lifting sequence, those are the only major changes made when adapted the book to the screen. They absolutely would NOT portray the Oompas as they were originally written, (they were black pygmies in the first edition, I owned a copy of the book back in the early 70s, and they were illustrated as such too. They were changed to something less offensive AFTER the movie was made.)so I don't understand why some people think the original was such a travesty. Sure, it had a couple of awful songs--children's movies used to have songs--besides, most of those songs weren't half bad, The Candyman, Pure Imagination, and Veruca's Song are highlights of the movie. O.K., so you can't get the damned oompa-loompa song out of your head, even that doesn't completely ruin the movie. I'm guessing the squirrel sequence was omited due to the expense, plus it would slow the story down. (having her fall down a "Bad Egg" seems a more expeditious way of removing her than having her dragged off by squirrels,anyway)
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The Danny Elfman of the 80's would have made a great Joker. Thanks to Jack Nicholson, many people now mistake the Joker as being old and fat...also, I have no idea what to do with these baby heads I've collected. End Transmission***********************************
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Sep 15, 2004 2:16:16 PM CDT
"What are those?" "Those are the grumpa-lumpas" "TELL THEM I HA
by tall_boy
oompah-loompah-goobde-gee, life isn't fair when you're stiff as a tree.
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Sep 15, 2004 2:18:07 PM CDT
"What do you think of the one you call God? Don't you find his
by tall_boy
God bless Ompah-Lumpah parodies.
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Sep 15, 2004 3:14:47 PM CDT
Shirley Walker conducts Elfman's orchestra (or at least she did)
by the garbage man
According to Bruce Timm on one of the commentary tracks for Batman: TAS, they hired Shirley to score the series because she conducted for Elfman. That is, unless I
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but you probably figured that out for yourselves. Sorry.
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Okay, did someone actually call John "I've Used the Same Basic Melody for Every Soundtrack I've Ever Scored" Williams a god? And bash Elfman for being a "pop" song writer? I'm not saying Elfman is worthy of godhood or anything, (I think Horner is at the top of the pantheon there, with Shore right on his tail) but he's definitely more creative and daring than Williams. Williams basically has one or two melodies that he makes moderate changes to whenever Spielberg or Lucas want him to score one of their latest disasters. And as far as being "pop"... Christ, John Williams is to movie scores what Andrew Lloyd Webber is to Broadway - as trite, bombastic, and commercial as they come. Williams is no god.
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Aren't the Oompa Loompas little hairy Neanderthal like creatures in the book? Not humans blighted by Dwarfism and Jaundice?
Wasn't a big fan of Elfman's work until I watched Hulk. One of the best soundtracks of one of my favourite films. Sorry, should posted that bit in the Fantastic Four talkback with the other Hulk appreciation society members. -
Sep 15, 2004 5:31:26 PM CDT
ah, the "it all sounds the same" argument. Trademark of a true
by tall_boy
Anyone who says "it all sounds the same" has thier head stuck up thier ass and is throwing out a generic no-thought insult without actually *LISTENING* to whatever they're currently trashing. You see the same insult repeated in every genre of music by a bunch of uninformed snobs who want to look down thier noses and cluck thier tounges in disapproval. I like John Williams too and I like Danny Elfman. Anyone trying to disrepect *either* of this great composers really doesn't know jack or shit about music scores.
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Sep 15, 2004 6:51:46 PM CDT
Ya fucktard...Williams doesn't do his own orchestration. Sure h
by minderbinder
hell, hardly anyone does their own orchestration nowadays (except maybe shore?). And Williams seems to be guilty of plagiarizing the classics on virtually every score. With the excetption of Catch me and his last two scifi scores for Spielberg, his work hasn't been half as interesting as what Elfman has been doing the lst ten years. Although ohter composers are probably a better comparison. You can really listen to the half-ass Elfman ripoff he did for harry potter and say with a straight face that Williams has been doing better work laetly?
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They were little black pygmies in the book, this would not go down AT ALL well in Hollywood. Much better to typecast midgets and dwarfs since they don't have any feelings.
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...the correct term is dwarves. That's for all you Grammar Queens out there.
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Sep 15, 2004 9:31:43 PM CDT
There were two versions of the book, the original had "african"
by minderbinder
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Sep 15, 2004 10:13:07 PM CDT
So what if Elfman comes from a 'pop' background - Oingo Boingo w
by rain_dog
Trav McGee, you are a fucking snob of the worst kind. "Real music lovers" my hairy white ass.
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Didn't mean to misquote you, but fuck you anyway.
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Sep 15, 2004 11:26:38 PM CDT
minderbinder, of course we believe some random guy on an interne
by tall_boy
sure Williams uses ghostwriters. Exactly. Well if I saw it in a talkback it MUST be true. Douchebag.
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Anyone but Bush! Oingo Boingo rules! Wall of Voodoo, too!
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Nottingham is in the Midlands, not the North...
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God almighty! Who thought it'd be a good idea to give this ex Disney animator 100s of millions of dollars to make his 'dark fairytale' shite? God, if I read one more glowing, reverential review of his career...
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yeah, I'm with you there Trevor Goodchild. I was really surprised by the quality of that soundtrack. On the bonus disk of the DVD, Elfman explains that on the early drafts, Ang Lee would tell him that it was 'too Danny Elfman.' and how he craved that sort of honest, candid feedback. If only Burton would do the same.
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The first film changed it's name to 'Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory' from 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory' because of the Vietnam connection.
Although I would of liked to see a Vietnam War movie set in the Chocolate room. All that undergrowth.
Maybe Russian Roulette with everlasting Gobstoppers.
Little Vietcong Loompaas. EENEE MAW EENEE MAW DOOBADEDOO -
it'll be strange hearing *different* songs though..
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Sep 16, 2004 9:21:39 AM CDT
Sure, don't believe me. Obviously the whole point of using a gh
by minderbinder
And I stand by my opinion of his recent writing and the fact that so much of his work is lifted from classical pieces.
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Well, I live in South Yorkshire but I think you'll find that people from below Watford Gap consider everything above it 'oop North' and find it very difficult to differentiate. I was generalising for our American friends. If I started mentioning Doncaster/Burnley/Stoke etc they wouldn't have a Goddamn clue where we were talking about (trust me, I studied at California State Uni and they all thought I was from London when I'm a born, and thoroughly bred, Yorkshireman lol). The only Northern places they had heard of outside London were these cities aforementioned. I'm sure you get my point though about C+TCF. Hope Depp can get Wonka right but I doubt it most sincerely - he'sway too young for a start. Blake's drawings always made me conjure an image of someone much older. After all, he (Wonka) is meant to be on the verge of retirement. John Hurt would have been PERFECT. A golden opportunity missed once again thanks to the bungling Burton. They should let ME direct 'Fantasic Mr.Fox'. A superior book in every way and crying out to be adapted for the silver (green) screen.
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Sep 16, 2004 2:23:00 PM CDT
Depp is too young to play Wonka... John Hurt would have been per
by workshed
A-And Ya Know It..!
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I had heard that it wasn't going to be a musical.
Can't you like Williams and Elfman? For those who think Williams uses the same motifs in every score need to listen to JFK, Schindler's List, and Catch Me. He is a genuis.
Love Elfman too, ever since his Boingo days. I was surprised to see that he didn't do the score for Burton's Ed Wood-my favorite Burton film yet-and that was doen by Howard Shore.
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You're an idiot.
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"Cool costume! Now go stand over there in front of the cool Production Design and say your lines while the DP points the camera at you."
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The Family Guy episode where they go 'Pawtucket Pat's' beer brewing factory.
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Sep 17, 2004 8:55:28 AM CDT
Tallboy, are you really that fucking stupid that you haven't hea
by minderbinder
I'll spell it out for you. Type www.imdb.com in your browser. Type John Williams in the search box. Click on movies he's done and scroll down to where it says ORCHESTRATOR. Notice that that person is not JW. Or I'll make it easy for you: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0626881/ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0817965/ What was that you were saying about needing a "tooth fairy" to check if JW uses orchestrators? It's in the fucking credits of each movie, jackass.
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Sep 17, 2004 10:33:42 AM CDT
its official: mindbinder is a inbred douchebag who doesn't know
by tall_boy
There's this thing called an "orchestra" where a "orchestrator" plays the songs that were written by the "composer". Its really fun to learn things, isn't it? Lets try this again - or
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I never said that composing and orchestrating are the same thing, are you on acid or something. In fact, I write music for a living, so I'm a little familiar with the concepts. My original post was in response to Travis McGee, who claimed JW was "better" since he did his own orchestration and Elfman didn't. Turns out JW uses orchestrators as well. I'm not sure what the fuck you think your point is, first you whine that you have no way of checking who did orchestration on a film, which I set you straight on. Now this latest outburst, which has nothing to do with anything I posted. Here's an idea: how about you just admit you spouted off about something you didn't understand and crawl back in to the whole from which you came?
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The Tacked-on ending of which I speak was the General Thade inscription on the Lincoln Memorial ( i didn't think I needed to spell it all out but here you go) The landing in D.C. sequence was shot as scripted during production ( in the novel it was Paris, if you want to quibble) However, it didn't test well, and a few weeks before the film opened, they went back to D.C.and added the new inscription identifying the ape in the chair as General Thade. This ending tested better, even though an unnamed Fox exectutive admitted that the new addition made no sense, THAT is what I meant by "Tacked-on ending" Are we clear now?
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