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News for those still scratching their heads over Fox’s decision last season to cancel the wonderful “Wonderfalls” (after four episodes!) but renew its insipid “Tru Calling” for a second season:

“Tru Calling” has been pushed back to 2005, and may only produce six episodes for its second season, according to this story in Tuesday morning’s Variety. Longtime “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” writer Jane Espenson had just joined the skein this year as part of her new two-year deal at Fox Television.

The same network, meanwhile, just ordered 12 episodes of “Point Pleasant,” a “Twin Peaks”-ish supernatural primetime soap created by former “Buffy” showrunner Marti Noxon.

To (mostly) recap, here’s where the former Buffiverse writers have landed:

Jeff Bell (Joss Whedon’s co-writer on the spectacular “Angel” series finale) is now with “Alias.”
Liz Craft & Sarah Fain (they scripted Hamilton’s introduction in the five-star “Underneath”) have been asked to join “The Shield.”
Steve DeKnight (he co-scripted the hilarious Italy-set “The Girl in Question”) is headed to “Smallville.”
Ben Edlund (whose “Angel” work includes “Life of the Party” and “Time Bomb”), is aboard “Global Freqency.”
Jane Espenson (“Earshot,” “The Replacement,” “I Was Made To Love You”), who worked on both “The O.C.” and “Gilmore Girls” last year, joined “Tru Calling” as part of her two-year deal with Fox.
Brent Fletcher, who wrote an episode of “Angel” last season titled “Soul Purpose,” has joined the “Lost” staff.
David Fury (“Gone,” “Lies My Parents Told Me,” “You’re Welcome,” “Power Play”) has also signed aboard “Lost.”
Drew Goddard (DeKnight’s co-writer on “The Girl in Question”) now writes for “Alias.”
Drew Z. Greenberg (“Him,” “The Killer in Me,” “Empty Places”), who was scripting “Smallville” last season, had joined “The O.C.”
David Greenwalt left “Angel,” a show he co-created, after its third season to oversee ABC’s “Miracles” and UPN’s “Jake 2.O.” After both series quickly went belly-up, he briefly returned to “Angel” to direct its brilliant Italy-set antepenultimate episode, “The Girl In Question,” but hasn’t been heard from since.
Diego Gutierrez, who wrote the mental-institution episode of “Buffy” during its sixth season, has joined the “Global Frequency” staff.
Rebecca Kirshner (“Help,” “Touched”), a "Freaks & Geeks" vet who was on “Las Vegas” last season, has joined “Gilmore Girls.”
Tim Minear, who followed his wonderful “Angel” season-four finale with the wonderful “Wonderfalls,” is adapting a classic Robert Heinlein novel to the big screen.
Marti Noxon (“What’s My Line?” “The Wish,” “New Moon Rising”), who spent some time after “Buffy” developing “Still Life,” a Fox supernatural drama that never saw air, will oversee “Point Pleasant,” a 2005 supernatural drama Fox has ordered for a dozen episodes.
Doug Petrie ("As You Were," "End of Days"), who worked on both "Tru Calling" and an aborted "Lost in Space" series for the WB this season, is said to be taking the year off from TV next season to work on movie projects (Petrie, some will recall, wrote "Harriet the Spy" and drafted an early screenplay for "The Fantastic Four").
Mere Smith, who made her mark writing the Lightning Lass Gwen Raiden episodes during “Angel’s” fourth season, worked on “Tarzan” last season but has since moved on to “Jonny Zero,” a Fox midseason hourlong about an ex-con who fights crime.
Buffiverse mastermind Joss Whedon, who wrote more “Angel” teleplays last season than ever before, is in post-production on his big-screen “Firefly” movie, “Serenity” (and remains widely rumored to be the top candidate to write and direct the third “X-Men” movie).

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  • Sept. 14, 2004, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Man, I'm gonna misss Angel this season

    by Trik

    Buffy too, and the whole Wheatonverse family

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Look out, Fox, it's a trap!

    by epitone

    Marti will take a brilliant idea (even her own) and slowly destroy it with her ham-fisted soap writing! You've been warned!

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Serenity is in post-production?

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Wow, I must not have been paying attention, I hadn't realized this movie had moved along so far already.

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Whedon's already been confirmed for X3...

    by LlGHTST0RMER least according to Dark Horizons. I dunno... anyone else know otherwise?? Also, I didn't know Firef-- oops, "Serenity" was in post, either. That crew really knows how to produce on the quick, don't they? I guess it's just like making a two-parter episode with a little extra footage to top it off. Either that or Joss was shooting El Mariachi-style. And PS to Herc: "Antepenultimate"?? I'm sure it's a word but let's be honest, it's a word people use just to show others they didn't know it was an actual word. Glad to know you're getting your money's worth out of your dictionary, bro. ;-)

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 4:19 a.m. CST

    nothing but fucking snow...

    by eternal76

    That's all tv has become for me since the best shows on tv have been nixed before their time. Not that there aren't a couple shows I still cling on to (the shield, starting to really get into rescue me, and god forgive me I'm watching wrestling), but for the most part, tv has become background noise while I do almost anything else. I don't even watch the network stations anymore, possibly to catch an episode of the simpsons on sundays, but even that has lost its appeal. I guess I have to thank 'THEM' for doing what they've done. I never thought that they would blatantly draw the line in the proverbial sand so deep and defining, as to say, "All the dumbasses on this side. Anything remotely smart, engaging, thought provoking, and/or good. We don't need you or your audiences, for your numbers are too few and since you don't find our Virgin mobile commercials with the jack-off's singing to each other, in any way amusing or drawn to wanting to buy their product; Fuck you and your sense of individualism." I mean, I've always seen TV as the last bastion of the great equalizer. That morons could watch friends (no offense to the morons who don't watch friends), that masochists could watch Fear Factor, that senior citizens could get there Walker Texas Ranger fix, that the geeks could get their groove on with their pick of X-files, Buffy, Angel, Star Trek, etc. But now, every fucking station has reality tv shows. And if you're really can't decide which one to watch? There are shows, about the reality tv shows. Do I think reality TV has ruined great shows? Yeah I do. It may not be the the focus, but it really is a factor. No writers to pay, a constant barrage of untalented talent. Free marketing revenue on cast members who could change wardrobe every day befitting the commercials that would be playing that night. And between the reality TV shows? Fodder. Horrible, horrible programming. I'm even starting a theory that the news is its own reality tv show. I remember reading here on this site once that Harry doesn't watch TV. And as much as I respect the guy, I thought to myself, "Who the fuck says they don't watch TV?" Only people who think themselves elitest to the point where they consider themselves to cool for school. Now, I can see why. I'm not saying I don't watch tv, hell, i have it on most of the time when I'm at home, usually have it on comedy central during the day, or cartoon network if nothing's on, just to drown out the silence. But I can't tell you who was the survivor, or who's fear wasn't a factor, or who became the apprentice. Cause I don't know, and far more importantly, I don't care. Glad to see the writers of the buffyverse still working on shows. here's to them turning the tides. And especially for Whedon, for bringing back the 'fastball special' and for the chance to have him crystalize it to celluloid.

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 4:47 a.m. CST

    The rumor is that Fox had buyer's regrets and now Tru Calling ha

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    The production of 6 episodes for a mid-season is just to fulfill the minimum of a contractual obligation that came with the renewal notice.

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Jeez, Herc...

    by AnnoyYou

    ...why don't you just marry the ME writers and be done with it? Apart from Espenson, DeKnight, Edlund (who is still riding on a "Tick" high, as far as I'm concerned) and the great MIA Greenwalt, all the ME writers were a bunch of hacks and contributed greatly to the demise of the once-great Buffyverse. ::shrug:: If there is a God, Noxon's show will will die a swift death as payback for singlehandedly deep-sixing "Buffy" during her tenure as showrunner in Season 6. And stop hocking us about Wonderfalls already! It was a cheap, less effective knockoff of "Dead Like Me" and it deserved its early demise. And no, I won't be seeing "Serenity," and I know there are zillions of other people who won't either. Why do you ask?

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 7:35 a.m. CST

    by Gleebo

    As much as I was underwhelmed by Tru in the first season I was looking forward to it coming back for a second go around. Maybe they could fix the things that were wrong(which were many) and the ratings would possibly go up with the addition of Priestly as they did towards the end of last season. Even more I hope that this buyers remorse doesn't reflect the FOX networks feelings going into this season. I could deal with no "Tru Calling" but if they rescind their renewal for "Arrested Delopment" they're gonna need more than a sqaud of Hot Cops to stop the riot I'll start.

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 9:24 a.m. CST

    the true meaning of buffy season seven-

    by dr.bulber

    was that buffy was non orgasmic.

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Passion of the Wonderfalls

    by Harrys Man Boobs

    When will Herc's obsession for Wonderfalls finally end? Jeez, there are other good shows out there besides Buffy & Wonderfalls. Let's hear about them.

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Does everyone on...

    by Childe Roland

    ...Herc's little "Six Degrees of Joss Whedon" hit list above know they're being stalked? Seriously, Herc. This obsession with anyone who ever shook hands with the man (as if any talent he may or may not have could actually rub off on them) is downright creepy.

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 11:20 a.m. CST

    why does the title mention tru calling?

    by MiltonWaddams

    why didn't you say "i love buffy, so i'm going to relate everything i report back to buffy. and ignore a lot of shows on tv, so i can fill more time with buffy. you know, that show that's been cancelled for a while now."

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 11:54 a.m. CST

    goddamn herc

    by Captain Comet

    when will you finally get over Buffy and that world? What part of ITS OVER isnt clear? these writers are just regular writers like every other hack in Los Angeles/New York-- no better, no worse. Where they go really isnt that important. I'd appreciate it more to discover a new show that I really like and then later find that Joss or someone is writing it than to try and follow this team around like a lapdog.

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Worst Episode...Ever

    by twitaman

    I never thought I'd say those fanboy words -- but, "The Girl in Question" was a mediocre episode. OK, so I exaggerated in the title, it was not the "worst episode" ever. It was just a let down coming in between such fantastic episodes as it did in that last season of Angel. Was it "Double Meat Palace" Buffy bad? Nope (which was also written by one of my favorite writers -- can't win 'em all). But it wasn't that good and only memorable because it seemed to be so out of character and in a bad way, not in a good quirky way (like say, "The Zeppo"). Then again, had it come earlier in the year or in a different season I probably wouldn't despise it so much.

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 12:02 p.m. CST


    by War_Tourist

    Wonderfalls owned you and you're just too stupid to realize

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Herc merc's for jerks, rock Fox's jock.

    by mullymt

    Just wanted to try it.

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 1:19 p.m. CST


    by mullymt

    Principle photography on Serenity started in early June, and ended in the end of August. The filming took almost three months, not a rush job by any standard.

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Amen we need BEER!!

    by zathras34

    That is what has come of it..after reading eternals comentary..I the point of "fire bad"..."Tree pretty" As said,now we have reality shows,talking and discussing reality shows,And as we all are Triumph the insult comic dog would say.."O yes O yes ALL reality shows are just great!!FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!" There are other shows that Im glad are coming back, and the time of the year they come back.. ("24" the sheild..rescue me..the dead zone)those are the ones Im glad they are on the tv year..But for right now..justice league unlimited,The batman(yes I can see this show going,you just have to get used to it,like another talkbaker said)smallville,ER,CSI New york..I just know I will love cause of the cast,Navy NCIS,joan of arcadia,But right now..the best show had to be in a cartoon when batman sang "Am I blue" Paul Dini I salute you!!! So,There is my 2 cents, now all I have is lint,But For now..every one join me and Buffy and xander the Bartender, "WE HAVE BEER!..BEER GOOD FOAMY!!!" PEACE

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Look, Herc, I LOVED Buffy and Angel (and am gonna miss Angel thi

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    ...No BS, I do know her (through a close friend of hers -- I knew her casually as an acquaintance two years prior to her getting on Angel), and she's totally moved on herself. You should too, Herc.

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Herc's obsession with the Buffyverse...

    by Bart of Darkness

    is getting ridiculous. I had hoped that other shows would get more coverage after the welcome demise of Buffy and Angel. Instead, Coaxial has become a vapid, largely news-free shadow of its former self, relying on the most tenuous connection to all things Whedon to formulate half-ass "news" like this article Get over it! It was just a TV show.

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 7:02 p.m. CST

    never figured out why they couldn't continue with...

    by donde

    a spike series! why not? the last season pretty much solidified that the character of angel wasn't going to become human and spike was. after watching the series finale, i just sat back a little sad, but then wondered why not say angel was killed off in the giant battle and spike lived on with whoever else may want to carry on from angel? makes the most sense to me and the actor that plays spike always said that he was down to play the character longer. opinions?

  • Sept. 14, 2004, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Uhm. Yeah Herc. Me too...

    by Holly_Wight

    What I mean is that I, too, think you should just get the fuck over this Buffy/Whedon obsession. It's killing coax, and makes you look more like a 14-year-old girl every day. Are you here to report on TV news, or Joss news? Because if it's the latter, then please just stop calling the section "Coax" and start calling it "Joss" because I have better things to do than deal with Buffy obsession.

  • Sept. 15, 2004, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Hang tough Herc, we're gonna get through this.

    by Almost Sexy

    It's a tough time for all of us, but as long as Smallville and One Tree Hill are still on the airwaves, I like to think that the spirit of Joss is still with us. He won't ever really be gone as long as we carry him with us in our hearts...always. After Fox cancelled Wonderfalls, I was considering a boycott, but then I remembered that fresh episodes of da OC are only weeks away. Got that show is just nigh-to-bursting with sexy young lads....

  • Sept. 15, 2004, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Looks like we have to do an intervention on Hercules! :-)

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    I got some bad news. I heard that the Wonderfalls DVD box set might be delayed until late Spring 2005 at the earliest. Rights issues, and Fox Television wants to try to get broadcast license revenue from its 13 episodes airing in foreign markets first. There may be concern that a DVD release this early might jeopardize the ability to sell the series for broadcast in non-American markets.

  • Sept. 15, 2004, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Stop bitching

    by Chirko

    I'm sick and tired of people bitching about the coverage the Buffy crew recieve here. It was a good show, one of the pinnacles of pop-culture and Herc just loves it like some others do (namely me). Stop acting like little children! It's not like reading this post is taking away a whole 3 precious minutes that most of you would have used to wank over Lara Croft porn.

  • Sept. 15, 2004, 5:07 p.m. CST

    On another matter: It's quite crass that the B plot of the lates

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    Cripes, NBC is sinking to some lows with this series.

  • Sept. 15, 2004, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Spike and Faith

    by Subversive01057

    I could see a Spike show, absolutely. And you could bring back some other characters from the two shows. For example, now Faith could show up and make Spike her bitch. And then maybe Willow could show up and agressively flirt with Faith. And then Andrew could show up to frustrate the hell out of Spike with the respect he gets that Spike doesn't. And so on. These shows could go on for years and years.

  • Sept. 15, 2004, 11:59 p.m. CST

    "There are other shows out there"........

    by Jimmy Jazz

    Like what, exactly? "Celebrity Game Show Survivor Karaoke Whores"? "Teeny Bopper Soap Opera Pretty Boys"? "CSI: CLeveland"? "L&O: Food Service Inspector Squad"? "Generic Family Sitcom starring A Washedup Stand-up # 785-a"? Please, oh wise ones? Where are all these shows worth talking about? Herc talking about former WHedonverse writers are a hell of a lot more entertaining than any of that crap.

  • Sept. 16, 2004, 3:33 a.m. CST

    ben and friends...

    by bmc249er

    this man is a great writer. even before he was on the whedonverse, he was creator and writer of one of the best/funniest/most creative sat morn cartoons ever. of course im talking about the tick, and wherever he ends up, i for sure will at least check it out. its called respect people, look into it. i like the fact that theres a list like this, and even though buffy/angel could be seriously uneven at times, it was one of the best written shows of my generation. so yeah, i will check on some of these people, and yeah, its great to see so many on staffs of shows that already are great (gilmore, oc) but many on shows that look to be great (lost, global) nothing wrong with keeping tabs people, look up old high school friends, it'll do you good.

  • Sept. 17, 2004, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Father Of The Pride Knows Best

    by Napoleon Park

    Sorry to go off topic in a Tru Buffy thread, but I wanted to remark on Jimmy Jam's comment that the Seigfried and Roy story on this weeks Father Of the Pride was an ill concealed product placement for the Garb-co corp. and Major Brand Red Label Soda Pop. First, I don't think of the magicians as "the B-plot" since they're always the best thing on the show. Second, since the Lions are basically a parody of sit-com cliches, (fat guy, hot wife, cranky dad - how isn't this a CBS show?) it was funny that they did a generic sit-com plot (parents find kid's stash, get stoned themselves, it turns out to beling to "a friend" (or, in this case, grandpa). and the premise was criticism-proof since obviously cat-nip is LEGAL. So the Big Gulp plot was product placement and I wouldn;t be surprised if Garb-Co and Cola Beverage paid a fee for it. but they (and maybe Chandler Bongs here) missed the point. Both stories were aboug drug addiction. Larry and wife were goofed up on the nip, Siggy and Roy took over a convenience store out of an overwhelming desire to consume a massive container of caffeinated pop. Get it now? They came out and through parallel tales implied that C*k* is an addictive drug (which is true) - and they probably got C*k* to pay for it! Ya gotta love sh*t like that.