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Lucas writing INDY 4 his own self' God help our favorite archeologist!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with yet one more interesting Lucas/Spielberg rumor for today. And I do stress the word rumor. I love John Rhys-Davies. I had the pleasure of meeting him in New Zealand last year and he's a lovely man, but from experience actors doing the convention circuit are usually a little out of the loop. But, I do believe what he says, if that makes any sense. I'm just wary because everything I've heard is that INDY 4 is dead, dead, dead.
If Lucas is really taking on full screenwriting duties, then consider me very nervous about this film. I still think Lucas is a brilliant concept guy. When he has had a Story By Credit on a Spielberg production I haven't been disappointed. If he's just toying around with Darabont's draft, then maybe he'll just add in some more popcorn fun and recognize Darabont's talent as a character writer by leaving the characters alone. I haven't read Darabont's script (I'd love to if anybody wants to share... anybody? No? Ok...), but let's just say I have more trust in Darabont than I do Lucas. What do you folks think?
Hey, hey. So whattaya think about this? Georgie Boy is rewriting INDY 4 himself. Good grief, its enough to make you shit in your fedora.
Regards,
The Cheek Marshall
"I was talking to Steven Spielberg the other day ... we discussed a fourth one," said Rhys-Davies, who is in Australia for a science fiction convention due to his role as Gimli in The Lord of the Rings trilogy.
"We're in with the chance of making something absolutely extraordinary," he added.
It was rumoured that Indiana Jones co-writer and producer George Star Wars Lucas had shelved the project earlier this year, which Rhys-Davies confirmed.
"George Lucas had reservations about the script and he said, 'The only way I can express my reservations is making another pass at the script myself', so it's gone back at least a year.
"It is the intention of these three great filmmakers [Lucas, Spielberg and Ford] to make another one." CLICK IT HERE FOR THE FULL ARTICLE!!!
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The only thing unca George should never, ever have is total creative control. With Spielberg involved, I don't think there's a risk of Dr. Jones falling completely on his ass.
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Indy is going to need a Zimmer frame at this rate!
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Bring in on Lucas. Let's get the show on the road.
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Had to do it... it's been awhile. God bless everyone and have a good day!
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Sep 03, 2004 4:54:41 AM CDT
George has admitted to hating writing and that it's just not his
by xavier masterson
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Sep 03, 2004 4:58:32 AM CDT
Good. Great! Hopefully, a number of rabid antiLucases just died
by salvatoregravano
Is the love for that pathetic infantvideo another symptom of Spielberg's lunacy that he calls "his spiritual and cultural awakening"?
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Sep 03, 2004 5:04:31 AM CDT
Incidentally, Darabont is a terrible *creative* writer...
by salvatoregravano
He usually does a good job when he only has to *recreate* and *adapt* someone else's (translation: King's) works, but when he tries writing something from scratch, the results are as dreadful as "The Fly II" or as ridiculous as "A Nightmare On Elm Street III".
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As much as Luca$ has pissed me off in recent years, he is a masterful storyteller. He can come up with stories... some of the best of all time. I just hope from his experience in recent years of developing screenplays (and working with such pros as John Hale) with the Prequels, that he has sharpened up his craft. My heart tells me he'll just work off of Darabont's script with little minor revisions. But my mind tells me his "revisions" will consist of more "mass friendly" kiddie stuff. I don't know. With Lucas it's always a matter of cross checking your hopes for him with your past disapointments with him. Here's hoping for the best for Indy 4 as well as Episode III! By the way, Hero was awesome.
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Sorry George like Quint says, you're a great concept guy - but writing isn't your strong point. Your dialogue is clumsy...I'm still thinking about the love scene in AOTC. Still.....maybe it'd give Harrison another chance to utter his most memorable quote ..."you can write this shit George, but you sure as hell can't say it". Leave it to the professionals, huh ?
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Sep 03, 2004 5:45:33 AM CDT
Let them fuck up number four all they want I've already got the
by regicidal_maniac
I've got the OT on DVD also. So sit on it Georgie, sit on iot for as long as you want but just remember that geeks don't wait forever and current technology will be your undoing in every sense you hack.
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Sep 03, 2004 5:50:43 AM CDT
Said it before, sayin it again.....here's a little guideline for
by chickengeorgevii
OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY!!!!!! THIS IS GONNA BE GREAT TO SEE INDY
TRAVEL TO (insert country here) AND FIGHT OFF THE (insert nationality here)
WHILE HE GRABS HIS (insert weapon here) AND DASHES OFF IN THE (insert
mode of transportation here) ONLY TO JUMP OUT AND FIND THAT THE (insert
rare artifact here) IS MISSING AND THEN TRAVEL TO (insert exotic country that no
longer exists) AND RESCUE IT FROM THE (insert villain political party here) AND
THEN RESCUE THE LITTLE (insert poor nationality) ORPHAN FROM THE
HANDS OF THE (insert strange religious practice here) PRIEST!!!!! GODDAMMIT
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The hell he is. He's got a three decade head start on any of you, which is more than he needs. Lucas' got writer friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every writing convention, his re-writes will blend in, disappear, you'll never see Darabont's script again. With any luck, he's got the screenplay rewritten already.
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Thats the smartest in-joke I've seen on this site for ages... mind you I HAVE been reading a lot of the Superman Talkback shit so...
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Have a nice day too.
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And while you're at it, Mr Lucas, go ahead and make the villains horny old priests. Thank you.
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Reg? "Sit on it"? Was that new HAPPY DAYS Season 1 DVD playing in the background when you wrote that? ;)
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ChickenGeorgeVII and Jaguart... you guys/ gals are hilarious! I'm rolling in my seat right now!!
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Very good script supposedly and set in the 50s with Commies as the bad guys -- would have been a visual feast --- but lacking action setpieces I heard, so maybe thats what Lucas will work on. Not to mention adding the supernatural elements...
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The only reason France has a voice in the world is because it is a permanent member of the security council... the only reason Lucas has a voice in the entertainment industry is because he knows Spielberg and created the the original trilogy. They both also don't know when to stfu and concede.
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I'd love to see a fourth Indy movie outlined by GL, but actually written by Joss Whedon. I'm reading his Astonishing X-Men now, and thinking about how everything that falls from the man's pen (when other writers, directors, etc. aren't allowed to touch it) turns to gold. I've never seen anyone write a comedic full-stop in a comic like the one in the recent issue where we go back to the giant, imposing alien Villain in Xaviar's school and he's slightly slumped saying, "you're sure they're not here," to two of the students. It's moments like that that made Firefly (probably one of the worst show CONCEPTS I've seen) worth watching.
I'd love to see Indy chewing out Whedon dialog, and perhaps directed by ... Woo would be too much... Spielberg has lost his sense of wonder... Maybe Jackson or the Wachowski's (seeing the tension from Bound in an Indy adventure would be interesting).
The other way to go is to violate all expectations. Just take a full left turn and don't look back. Give it to Miyazaki and make it a) animated b) less about Indy and more about a teenage female student protoge. Miyazaki certainly nails the sense of wonder, and arguably has a better sense of what the modern audience wants from an action film. You put a teenage girl in the movie and he can work magic :)
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Heh Heh Temple of doom . Masterbation. Chicken. seven. your a funny guy. I can't wait see the next message from george the vii chicken. He's funny. I especially like the way he signs off his messages with his name, George the seventh Chicken. Thats a funny name. I reckon you're right too, george the seventh chicken. I reckon thats exactly what George Lucas will do because he's a dick!---George the seventh chicken.
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I hope he spends 12 hours a day, everyday, for the next year re-writing this script. And when he finally looks at it, when he finally stares at the sequence where Indy travels into the distant future and teams up with his great, great, great grandson to fight off evil Venusians, maybe he'll finally come to realize that we freakin' don't need a fourth one.
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That interview with Rhys-Davies is real, but somebody with too much time on their hands fabricated that one paragraph about Lucas's writing the script. Here's the original: http://entertainment.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4459,10644778%255E10431%255E%255Enbv,00.html
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Sep 03, 2004 8:26:23 AM CDT
Egad! Let Lucas write Indy 4 is like put Chris Claremonth to wri
by judge doom
Or Chris Carter to write an X-file episode. They all lost something on the way. __________________But I still have faith in Spielberg.
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Sep 03, 2004 8:36:52 AM CDT
Hell, I have more trust in the guy who lives under the highway u
by minderbinder
But this doesn't bother me too much since I have little interest in Indy 4 regardless of who's involved.
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Sep 03, 2004 8:37:10 AM CDT
Oh no, George Lucas is re-drafting the indy script. God help us
by theginger twit
You guys worry to much. If George Lucas takes the script for Indy 4 and says "We're not making this" Then I for one take a deep sigh of relief at his vigilance. If he's going to take that script and have another crack at it then 'Whoo-Hoo' We may still yet get Indy 4.
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Sep 03, 2004 8:40:00 AM CDT
And since when does old chicken neck speak twelve languages?
by minderbinder
Color me skeptical.
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Sep 03, 2004 8:44:44 AM CDT
How come Lucas gets all the criticism for terrible dialogue?
by vikingkitty
I can think of at least one director that's practically worshipped at AICN that makes Lucas's recent works seem like masterpieces - Romero. Both Romero and Lucas come up with good ideas, but can't write/direct to save their lives.
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It's a joke. A play on dialogue from some movie about an archeologist.
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Sep 03, 2004 8:59:02 AM CDT
So three great films cowritten by Lucas and a now a new one enti
by big bad clone
At least Speilberg is directing and Harrison knows that character inside and out. My concern would be goofy new characters or bad takes on good old ones like Short Round.
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Why? Why does Lucas think he can write? Why does he hate his fans so much? Shit, if he gets this to the screen maybe he'll release some Indiana Jones Special Editions with all new effects and make that guy who swings his sword 20 feet from Indy in Raiders actually shoot first! Wouldn't the fucking Indy fans LOVE that?!? Perhaps he could digitaly insert Short-round into Raiders too seeing as Temple is technically a prequel by one year (trust me, Raiders set in 1938, Temple in 1937)just to tie up the movies and keep up with continuity. Then he could have Spielberg's name removed from the directors credit and replace it with his own! FUCK LUCAS IN HIS FAT FUCKING ARSE!!!
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I think it's all to do with that Romero still has a passion for what he does. We can forgive the lame dialogue because it's made up for by the best looking zombie films period. Now AOTC has the worst written love scenes "EVAH", and to balance that up we got....CGI Yoda/insert your prequel lament here etc. People are a lot more forgiving on things like writing if the overall product still kicks ass, and so the long Lucas debate will continue while some SW fans lament for their childhood and others rock themselves to sleep going "it's all good, 'Unky George' doesn't want to hurt me".
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Adding action sequences and things like that - the stuff he's actually good. Besides, I have faith that Spielberg won't screw it up. On the other hand, I don't actually believe this film will ever be made, so whatever. sk
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Sep 03, 2004 9:24:48 AM CDT
There already was an Indy with Russian communists as the bad guy
by salvatoregravano
It was called "Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine", and a damn good game it was, too.
Incidentally, Spielberg is the one to blame for the lack of any special features in the Indy box set (other than the useless 4th disc)
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Spielberg wrote Gulf War 1 but Lucas re-wrote Gulf War 2, at least Saddam was caught in that one but still it's a disaster. If only his ending was better it would have been a great one.
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Sep 03, 2004 10:07:40 AM CDT
The bad guys should be commies since the Nazi stuff has been ove
by spectrebeeyatch
I'm not talking about history flicks I'm talking pop corn movies here. I am a little tired of the bad guys always being Nazi's, boring I think Hellboy killed the Nazi bad guy for at leat five years, but since Hellboy 2 is coming I guess its two. So they should just have some crazy Russians or Chinese trying to steal an artifact that will make everyone a communist or something and an older Indy, with a son maybe or something can just kill them all and we can leave the theatre happy
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I love John Rhys-Davies. Really. I would do anything he asked me to, no matter how perverted or degrading. One day all of you will love him like that.
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Sep 03, 2004 10:29:02 AM CDT
"you can write this shit George, but you sure as hell can't say
by pip1345
I am sick of that fucking line being used to "prove" that Lucas is a bad writer. He was NOT calling Lucas a bad writer, in fact he was referring to one of the best lines in the entire series: "Jumping through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy." Now, I'm not saying Lucas is a great writer, but using that quote to prove him so is WRONG, so please stop doing it. Thank you.
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In keeping with the thematic structure of Attack of the Clones, perhaps the first 45-60 minutes of Indiana Jones IV can deal with an administrative meeting of the Archaeology Department at Indy's college.
"Mr. Chairman, we need a 5% increase in square footage for storage of antiquities!"
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i think it`s old news that he was going to rewrite the script on his own and spielberg mentioned it a few months back. but instead of moaning i
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I was a huge fan of the original Star Wars trilogy....OK, I'm just a huge fan of The Empire Strikes Back (the first one being crappy and the third one being half good)
If the new Star Wars trilogy has proven something it is that Lucas, by himself, is a hack at best. The guy has clearly no notion of good storytelling. It seems to me that he thinks special effects will make up for a lack of good story.
If these rumors are true, GOD HELP US ALL and count me out.
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Mr. Lucas, I realize it's been many many years since you've listened to anyone who's said something other than "yes, Mr. Lucas" to you... but please consider for a moment that your critics may actually be right. Ticket sales aside, your latest film efforts have been mediocre at best and pandering at worst. Your concepts are sound but your ability to execute these concepts artistically is very limited. That said, I have no problem whatsoever with you as a producer. My request is that you please pass your concepts on to truly gifted writers and directors who know how to turn a phrase and are able to coax brilliant performances out of their actors. You did this with Empire Strikes Back and that is still one of my favorite films of all time! Thank you for your consideration. :) mattro
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I can't possibly have read that correctly. My mind was instantaneously flooded with images of Keanu Reeves turning in a solid performance, Christopher Reeve dancing a cha-cha with Stephen Hawking and George W. making a poiticlaly informed presidential decision. These are things that history and physics have shown us, time and again, simply cannot happen. Lucas needs to devote his time to collecting and counting the money that has disappeared into the massive folds of his profit-engorged flesh over the last 25 years. Maybe he'll discover some long-forgotten shred of his childlike wonder and enthusiasm for fun films. Or maybe he'll just find an old ham sandwich. I don't really care. All I know is, if he's putting his chubby little fingers to a keyboard somewhere with aspirations of churning out an unnecessary sequel to the Indy films, "I've got a bad feeling about this."
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By the big sweaty balls of Aragorn, I swear I hate this EGOTISTICAL, SELF RIGHTEOUS SON OF A BITCH! What ELSE is The Beard planning to FUCK UP? Hey, George, how bout dicking around with American Graffiti next. REMEMBER, THIS IS THE SAME HOPELESS DICKTICKLER THAT GAVE US HOWARD THE DUCK! Why do people even give a shit about this cumgargler anymore? It's high time that the entertainment industry as a whole tell George "I SPIT ON ALL OF YOU, I AM RICH AND I'LL DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT YOU PATHETIC LITTLE PIGEON FUCKERS" Lucas to go eat a healthy steaming pile of Bantha crap and get fucked good and hard up the ass by his beloved Jar Jar "Racial Fucking Stereotype if there ever was one" Binks. For that matter, why do all you fanboys even bother talking about this dickasaurus? You're just giving the cornhole king what he wants, more attention on his miserable, no talent having, overpaid, overpraised ass! George Lucas' Momma was a whore and his father smelt of elderberries! HEY GEORGE, YOU KNOW YOU READ AINT IT COOL NEWS AND I KNOW YOU'RE READING THIS NOW, SO FUCKA FUCKA FUCKA FUCKA FUCKA YOU, YOU WORTHLESS PEICE OF SHIIIIIIIIIITTTTTT! and in case you all forgot..................................................................................................GEORGE LUCAS RAPED MY CHILDHOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THE AICN TALKBACK CLICHES LIVE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Indy is sent to investigate a mysterious crash landing in Roswell, where he is secretly aided by a strange visiter from another galaxy, AND YOUSA ALL GONNA LOVE HIM!!!
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Sep 03, 2004 12:59:36 PM CDT
As I've read elsewhere its not a PAGE ONE REWRITE but just takin
by tall_boy
so, uh, yeah.
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the man did write a new hope. what original script has frank written that can compare to that?
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Looks like more voice work for Ahmed Best! He can walk around with a Yankees cap on his head for a place marker!
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Sep 03, 2004 1:51:18 PM CDT
I thought he had sole credit on the original Star Wars
by lettersoftransit
...and everybody loved that one. Truth is, if you'd the newer prequels first -- when you were a kid -- I bet most of you would have loved them just as much, and if you saw the older ones now, as adults, you'd think they didn't compare to the magic you felt when you were a kid. And that is less about Lucas' inability to make a good film than it is about the fact that you are not a kid anymore. And also about the fact that, once you've seen a new world for the first time, anything that follows will be the second, or the third or fourth. But it can never again be the first time.
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A source at Skywalker Ranch says that Lucas is writing a CGI character into the mix. Yes, Indiana will fight alongside with a fully computerized John Wayne against gangsters on a Nevada movie set. And all the 50's sets are gonna be fully green screen for that ultra 50's effect.
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the main guy you should be looking for to see if indy or star wars as a script/story will be any good is a man named Lawrence Kasden. he scripted empire , raiders and return of the Jedi, and Raiders and Empire are the best of both series. and sure he directed dreamcatcher which was terrible but he knows how to script these movies.
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"Everything I've heard about INDY 4 is dead, dead, dead." C'mon, man. Think. You're smarter than that. How long have you been doing this? Do you seriously think we are NOT going to EVER see an INDY 4? Use some common sense, man. Whether "we" want an INDY 4 or not, Paramount and Ford OBVIOUSLY want another one. Rather, NEED another one. It may not me this year, or next, or the year after that, but before Harrison Ford dies there will be an INDY 4. It doesn't matter whether it's good or not. That's not the point. The fact of the matter is it WILL happen, whether you've "heard" it's "dead" or not.
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Sep 03, 2004 3:05:08 PM CDT
The man created Indy and Star Wars. How bad could it be?
by moviemaniac-7
Who cares if Lucas rewrites it? Okay, I am a Darabont fan, but Lucas re-writing the thing... What gives? In the editing room he gets his way anyway and they'll only make the movie if all the three of 'em agree on the script.
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...is spot-on balls correct about Kasdan's saving influence on Lucas' previous projects. The man is an extremely talented writer and a not-half-bad director. Check out Silverado and The Big Chill for more of his best work. Ignore Dreamcatcher... he was pretty much hamstrung by Steve King on that one. Wait a minute... don't ignore that. Lucas' ego has easily surpassed King's and he is probably even more likely to put the genital cuff on Larry nowadays. There really is no hope for this film as long as Lucas the Hutt lives.
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Sep 03, 2004 3:52:10 PM CDT
All you haters need to calm down I admit I wanted more from Epis
by spectrebeeyatch
I think everyone's standards were so high that the two movies had to suck. Some of the stuff did suck like Jar jar and the kid in Episode 1 and all the acting in Episode 2 haha. The ont thing you have to admit rocks hard is how he does action scenes. The Darth Maul fight is one of the best fight scenes EVER and the action is Episode 2 was pretty sweet. Are they as good as the first triology? Hell no. Were they still at least fun to watch? Hell yes. That is all that matters. I don't think anyone should listen to the extreme haters who keep saying HACK and etc. Those are extreme LOTR fans who can't understand why no one is talking about LOTR anymore but still talking about Star Wars. Sad for them after the 4 disc extended dvd of ROTK comes out, people will still be talking about the Star Wars dvds, Ep. 3 and if Ep. 7, 8, and 9 are ever going to happen. I loved the LOTR movies except the end of ROTK which everyone knows sucked ass but won't admit it and I can't wait for the 4 disc dvd since I have the first two, but i still love Star Wars more because it has light sabers in it BOO-YEAH
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Sep 03, 2004 4:19:07 PM CDT
"The man created Indy and Star Wars. How bad could it be?" I gu
by minderbinder
And fuck off with the whole "you're not a kid anymore" thing. As many movies have proved (hell, look at pixar), kids movies can appeal to all ages, and they don't have to suck. There's a reason that people who were ADULTS when SW came out think that episodes 1 and 2 sucked. It's because they sucked. Period.
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So, you're saying that when Speilburg, Ford and Darabont all settled on a script, Lucas didn't like it and vetoed the project....... And now he is the one who's taken over the writing?..... Right..... Hahahaha.... That's so awful. Gimmicky Indy revival with ancient Ford and the old whitebread Lucas writing? TRAIN-WRECK!
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Spacker Dave, it's Raiders in 1936 and Temple in 1935, trust ME. pip1345 Harrison Ford was actually refering to all of his dialogue in that sequence. "It'll take a few moments to get the coordinates from the nava computer" and "If we don't have precise calculations we could fly through a star or bounce right into a supernova. Etc. You are right though, Harrison Ford just meant that it was a mouthfull, but not bad dialogue. The script for Star Wars is excellent, as is the script for American Graffiti. Lucas used to be a great, if reluctant, writer. This is when he listened to other peoples good advice on his stories. Both American Graffiti and especially Star Wars went through years of drafts and polish work. And it shows in the quality. ajs@ajs.com, if you change the director, make it animated, and have the main character be a young female protege, how is that an Indiana Jones movie? Are you a studio exec? C'mon, you can admit it. SalvatoreGravano, what do you mean "Spielberg's 'let's put a shitty home video on the Raiders DVD' idiocy"? "What pathetic infantvideo" are you refering to? JAGUART and ChickenGeorgeVII, you both wrote brilliant posts. Nice work. Lastly, do we really want to see Indiana Jones 4? Does a sequel so far after the fact EVER work? And most importantly, when is the fourth movie in a series ever good?
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Sep 03, 2004 4:45:01 PM CDT
I'll second the notion of WotW being a cover for Indy4
by the killer-goat
because as we all know, Indy became immortal after drinking from the holy grail in the third movie, and would have aged very, very slowly. Being still alive for our modern times (but disguising his age) he would be ready to kick alien butt, training his now adult non-immortal son Tom Cruise-- a young, misguided spitfire with no love for archeaology-- how to find the Ark of the Covenant to use the holy power of God to blast those "extra-testicals" back to outer space. By Golly, it would sell millions! ********* On a more serious note, I maintain that Lucas CAN write good plots, concepts and even some dialogue. He just can't direct worth a shit. All of Harrison Ford's lines in the SW trilogy would have sounded like crap but for Ford's self-assured, self-aware, smugly-winkin delivery. Neither Ep1 nor AOTC have any actors who actually took their lines and made them their own, except for perhaps Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine. As a result, Lucas' scripts suffer appear horribly over-inflated.
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That was the funniest post I've seen here in months. Thanks!
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Sep 03, 2004 5:14:39 PM CDT
Indiana Jones and the Wheelchair Raiders of the Depends Diapers
by jervis tetch
...at the Temple of Sun City Retirement Home, starring Harrison Ford, 89. That's when the script will be approved.
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Sep 03, 2004 5:35:55 PM CDT
Since everyone is sick of seeing Nazis in adventure films...
by tango fett
Why dosen't Indy fight the Commi-nazis (simpsons fans know what i'm talking about), that'd be the shit.
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Lucas sucks! He ruined the latest two Star Wars movies and he wont release the original trilogy unedited. Nuff said!
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Ford will be playing Jones at the correct age, meaning WWII will have been over for years. Thus, Nazis make no sense as villains chronologically speaking. Besides, Indy is more than just being defined as having Nazis as enemies. Since the film will take place in the 1950s, The Soviets are the perfect villains. Bring on the Jonesian commie-bashing!
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Indy does NOT become immortal at the end of Last Crusade after drinking from the Grail. "The grail cannot cross the great seal. That is the boundary , and the price of immortality." Oh, and if Indy 4 is indeed to be set in the '50's, please throw in Jet Li as a n adult Short Round. Thanks.
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Wouldn't work, age-wise. Just use the original Short Round.
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ill defend the man if needed, but until he proves that he can still write a good script (i like the prequels but the scripts are the weakest part) then he shouldnt be doing this.
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Sep 03, 2004 7:43:45 PM CDT
As the creator of Indy and producer of the films, Lucas has fina
by frankdrebin
...so don't count on Spielberg to be able to keep Lucas on the right path. They may be friends, but ultimately Spielberg is just a director for hire on this.
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not george writing for indy like he did for the first 3. . . .
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Let's all hope that Lucas writes in an all-CGI character who speaks baby-talk to partner up with Indy. It will offer comic relief and young children will love it! Think of the merchandising possibilities.
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...that this is the worst idea since Greedo shooting first.
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Props to Chicken George & Jaguart for their funny & clever posts.
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INDY: "I want to find this ancient artifact. I want to find it so bad I can feel it. I can feel it deep inside myself, how much I want to find it." FEMALE LEAD: "No, Indy, fight what you are feeling. This artifact is not worth your soul, your deep, dark, churning soul which is inside you. Do not think about the artifact, Indy, for it will control you." REPLACEMENT BRODY-TYPE CHARACTER: "Listen to her, Indy. She has experience beyond her many experiences. You must let go." REPLACEMENT BRODY CHARACTER STEPS IN POOP.
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and the comic relief side-kick will step in poodoo... That's about all Lucas can write these days... Cheers.
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Is he too successful? If you don't like his movies, then don't support him; don't see his movies or buy his DVDs. If you hated "Episodes 1 and 2" you definitely shouldn't go see "Revenge of the Sith;" it'll make it easier for the rest of us to see on opening day.
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well, since everyone else seems to think that they were first, then I might as well too.
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Funny funny funny!
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Sep 04, 2004 4:32:45 PM CDT
"pip1345 Harrison Ford was actually refering to all of his dialo
by pip1345
Thank you, I just meant that it was among the lines that he was referring to.
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I love him but, lets face it, he sucks at dialogue.
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It's been so long since I posted, I wanted to see if I still have what it takes.
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Sep 04, 2004 8:29:01 PM CDT
I like Lucas. I like the prequels. This article makes me happy
by countryboy
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jaguart, hilarious!
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http://www.freeiPods.com/default.aspx?referer=7837328
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I get my inspiration from The Master, Buzz Maverick.
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Because if it's the 50's, the Soviets are the best villains -- no question. Don't lose sight of the fact that Indy is adventure in the geat pulp tradition -- not a 1970's paranoid political thriller. I noticed that you neglected to mention that so far, Indy's enemies have mostly been German Nazis and, in at least in a couple of instances, an American Nazi collaborator (Donovan) -- about as right-wing as you can get. Also, if you watched the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles at all, you will recall that Indy was in Russia during the October Revolution, where he had many friends among the revolutionaries. Having him fight the Soviets in the 1950's would bring that bit full circle very nicely.
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"in at least in a couple of instances" should have been "in at least one instance".... Damn hangover...
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...watch Last Crusade a bit more closely. Donovan has a swastika pin on his lapel. Also, I've said it before - Indy cannot only be about fighting Nazis. A great pulp action/adventure hero fights the agents of evil all over the world. It's time for our favorite, two-fisted American academic to fight the Russians. The Soviet Union didn't suddenly become a paradise after Stalin's death - even after Chrustjev's famous speech. In the world of the 1950s, The Soviet Union was the largest, most powerful threat to the free world. Indy's adventures always work best when he's fighting to save the world from "the armies of Darkness", as Henry Jones Sr put it. The only people who would oppose having the Soviets as the bad guys, do so out of ideological reasons. If I didn't know any better, BRU, I'd think you consider right-wing Americans to be worse than 50s-era Soviets... Personally, I can't wait to see Indy bust some Communist heads in the pursuit of some religious artifact and bagging a babe or two along the way. It would be cool if they made the object of Muslim origin this time around, in keeping with the great world religions -- having already tackled Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism. It would be a great way to bring Sallah back and it's also topical. In true American, pluralistic fashion it's interesting to see all the artifacts -- no matter which faith they represent -- actually having the religious powers they are said to have.
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A lot of wonderful directors are awful writers. From what I've seen in the prequels, Lucas is certainly no exception. He's got a gift for capturing visual greatness, but when it comes to dialogue, he's just not that great. It would worry me to know that he's tacking this, because it's not his strong point. And it's not like he can't afford to hire someone who can write.
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HILARITY!
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Sep 06, 2004 8:40:10 AM CDT
Chuff, if that's the best in-joke you've seen on here in a while
by barrelrider
...then you need to watch more movies, and visit more talkbacks! Just a thought. In all seriousness though, I hope there was no sincerity behind the gag, because Lucas makes "DeMille stinkers" look like Shakespeare's finest work. And to all the stupid heads saying stuff like "Lucas has made billions from his ideas, how much have you made etc" (what, so you need to have made as much cash as him before you can criticise him? Guess we'd better never say a bad word about Bill Gates ever again, eh?) - that's exactly the point: he made money from his ideas, not from his scripts. The best dialogue in the SW series is generally thought to be in The Empire Strikes Back. Did Lucas write that script? Did he fuck. Did he direct that movie? Did he fuck. Worst dialogue in the series so far? Attack of the Clones. Did he write and direct that steaming heap of donkey turd? Yep, he sure fucking did.
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...I'm a moderate, and have no love for most American right-wing policies. However, I do recognize the fact that they operate within the same basic fundamental democratic system which is American society - flawed though it may be. If you equate them to totalitarian Soviet communists, then I really have nothing more to say to you regarding the subject since we obviously are on completely different planets when it comes to the basic definitions of democracy and tyranny. There's only so much moral relativism I can take listening to before I start to feel sick.
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James Bond? Bah! They were too chickenshit to properly identify them as communists in that series. It's a shame that Hollywood won't make a movie with overt Commies as the bad guys(purely because of their ill-feeling towards the House of UnAmerican Activities - yeah, that's much worse than famine and gulags, you self-centred fuckers), as they leave Nazi's in the dust of sheer unapologetic evil. Nazi's never defined oppostion to Nazi policy as being evidence of mental illness. The world, and Hollywood, needs to come to terms with the fact that communists were bad dudes...instead of playing the kool-aid drinker to Castro's Jim Jones.
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The Soviets are hideous villains and deserve to have their asses royally served to them by a red-blooded American hero, just as much as the Nazis did. Maybe since you live in a country barely 30 years free after a dictatorship, you have a harder time discerning tyranny in a world full of moral ambiguities. I will grant you that. However, the American film industry is under no obligation to placate Portuguese moral relativists. Therefore, we will fucking kick communist ass as much as we kick nazi ass onscreen. If you have a hard time with that, tough shit. Stay home and download the movie. Indy must fight anti-intellectualism and tyranny all over the world -- including communist Russia. Bring on the Soviet-stompin' Dr. Jones!
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I first read about an Indiana Jones 4 in an issue of the Lucasfilm Insider around April of 1994. I first read about a Superman film in Cinescape sometime in 1996. Well now that it is 2004(!) and neither of these films have even started production, much less been released yet, which would everyone say is the bigger development hell example?
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...in case you hadn't noticed, Indy movies are fantasy adventures. A Muslim relic -- until now unknown -- could easily be invented for a movie without offending Muslims around the world. I still think it would be in accordance with the very American, Indy tradition of validating all world religions. Easy formula: old Indy brought out of retirement to rescue Islamic relic before it falls into the hands of evil Soviet communists bent on world domination. Get Sallah to help you out, bed a babe or two along the way, and use the relic's supernatural power to melt the faces off of a few commie fuckers in the finale. Hell, you got my ten bucks, George & Steve. Bring it the fuck ON!
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... They SUCK. Trotting out old Nazi villains hiding in South America trying to bring about the Fourth Reich reeks of poor imagination. If that movie were ever made, people would scream bloody murder. I can see the Hollywood exec meeting now: "yeah, the most profitable movies with Indy had him fighting NAZIS!" "Yeah! Ya know, some of them actually GOT AWAY after the war! Yeah! Can you say "sequel"?" "Get Darabont on it right away!"...... Sorry, BRU, you're going to have to face the fact that Hollywood is a mouthpiece for America, and as far as we're concerned, Communists deserve to have their asses kicked as much as the nazis. I'll tell you something else - free of charge. An Indy communist-bashing movie will make tons of money in Portugal as well as in the U.S. Not to mention the bucks it will make in the countries previously under the heel of communist oppression. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Oh, and don't forget to buy the DVD when it comes out too.... ;)
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Did I need to have a "Cut-To" with Lucas dressed in flannel, lost in his Ranch saying "Uhhh, does anyone here know any Bantha icky poo jokes?"
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That's what most people thought about the Sankara Stones, too. I still say: Muslim relic, commie villains, mucho ass-kicking. Give it up, BRU.
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Sep 06, 2004 8:17:49 PM CDT
togmeister, sorry this is late, but... that was a joke.
by the killer-goat
Twas all in good fun! If only to point out the silliness in trying to get another Indy movie after Ford has aged over a decade since The Last Crusade. :)
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Nothing to see here. Oh, I watched half of AOTC again last night, and was once again stunned by the lack of sincerity in that film..... Characters say their lines with about as much emotion as a 4th grade school play
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Sep 07, 2004 10:10:21 AM CDT
George Lucas is a better writer/director than you and you and es
by pbj street gang
Because he can take a story and script as patently banal as Star Wars and come out the other side with, well, STAR WARS. That's why.
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Sep 08, 2004 8:33:56 AM CDT
Excuse me, did someone blame PORTMAN for the assness that is Epi
by minderbinder
She has kicked ass in a number of other films, and Hayden has been very good in a couple. They're both VERY good, they just don't have the chops to overcome an awful script, he would have had to cast Ben Kingsley as young Anakin. Even Ewan, Liam and Sammy Jax gave some of the worst performances of their careers in Ep1.
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Ford was a great actor, but even I'm starting to wonder about how old Indy will look when Indy IV makes it to the big screen. He'll probably start to look like 93 year old Indy from the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. If you see pics of Ford with an eyepatch, look out!!! Just as there have been multiple James Bonds and Supermans, maybe it is time for a new big screen Indy. (We've already had River Phoenix, Sean Patrick Flannery and 93 year old decrepit Indy play the role.) My nominee for the next Indiana Jones -- Dennis Quaid. THAT would kick ass.....
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Let's see. Indy has fought: Nazis, Arab lackeys of Nazis, Thugee cultists, Singapore gangsters, asshole 'archaeologists,' American Nazi sympathizers... and that's just in the movies - he fought a lot of other baddies in the Young Indy TV show (which nobody watched). So Commie bastards? Bring them the fuck on.
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