Are You SUPERMAN' Do You Know SUPERMAN' The Search For The Son Of Jor-El Is On!
Harry here.... and about time they decided to look far and wide for the man of steel. Hopefully, this will be a more than a "for show" type of casting call... where they seem to be going out searching for a never before seen Kryptonian, only to wind up with Nick Cage and a toupee. So how many times have you tied the red towel around your neck and lept off the side of the house into a pool? How many times while running at a park did you say, "Up Up and Away" and dream of soaring? Well, this is that chance to do it as real as it ever gets. Maybe you've been working on your Ma & Pa's farm all your life with an internet connection. You did acting in High School, dabbled a bit in college, but felt you had to go back and work the farm with Ma & Pa... Figuring, you'd never have a chance to be the only character you ever dreamt of... Well... Follow the instructions below and best of luck... whoever you may be...
Call for Actor to play SUPERMAN for Warner Bros. Feature
Pat Moran + Associates Casting (Emmy Award winner for HOMICIDE: Life on the Street) is part of a nation-wide search for an actor to portray Clark Kent / Superman in a new feature film for Warner Brothers.
The description of the role is: Late 20’s, tall, handsome, chiseled good looks. Athletic. Strong character. All American. Confident, yet awkward. Faster than a speeding bullet.
The film will be directed by Bryan Singer (X-MEN, USUAL SUSPECTS) and produced by Jon Peters & Gilbert Adler. No other cast has been announced yet.
Although Pat Moran + Associates are accepting open submissions from both actors and non-actors, auditions are by appointment only. Auditions will be held the week of August 16th through August 20th.
Anyone interested in auditioning for this starring role should send either a Headshot & Resume’, a model card, or a clear individual photograph of themselves to:
Pat Moran + Assoc.
3500 Boston St., Suite 425
Baltimore, MD 21224
Photos should include: Name, Age & Phone Number(s). Photos are non-returnable. No phone calls to Pat Moran + Associates, please.
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Aug. 8, 2004, 8:17 p.m. CST
Aug. 8, 2004, 8:47 p.m. CST
It would make a lot of sense to put Welling in this, unless he has schedule conflicts. BTW, for those with their knickers in a twist: yes, Superman is white. It isn't relevant. Get over it. They aren't going to get a Norwegian to play Martin Luther King, either.
Aug. 8, 2004, 8:58 p.m. CST
by The Fat Baldwin
Ah, racist? Okay, All-American is an ambiguous term to be sure, but doesn't all-American refer to being a star athlete - not white? C'mon Superman is white, he was created during a time (and it's changed only some I'll admit) where minorities weren't fairly represented. They made Daredevil's Kingpin black and that went against type. Catwoman (I know, I know) was portrayed twice by blacks onscreen and was never in the comics. I mean shouldn't you just be content there's open casting? Wouldn't it bother you more if they made Blade white? Besides, Richard Pryor was in Superman 3 and there was a black Superman in Shaq's Steel right? Right? Cough.
Aug. 8, 2004, 9:16 p.m. CST
by Soma Imp
He is an utter charisma vacuum with the acting ability of a well carved piece of sandstone. If you put Welling and Paul Walker in the same room, their combined lack of ANYTHING would create an implosion which would suck Robert DeNiro, Jude Law, Clive Owen, Al Pacino, Edward Norton and Carrot Top into themselves, making them all look, sound and act EXACTLY like Tom Walker.. oh I mean Paul Welling... or maybe Carrot Top. Not sure which is worse.
Aug. 8, 2004, 9:18 p.m. CST
by BEARison Ford
according to entertainment weekly: "I took a meeting with someone who has the rights, but there's no [Green Lantern] script," Black told EW. "I'd be interested if there was a really good writer attached, but it's far from a [done deal]." sounds a little different than moriarty's "THIS WILL HAPPEN" tone
Aug. 8, 2004, 9:24 p.m. CST
by Fatboy Roberts
I thought BOTH these two were out. When did this happen?
Aug. 8, 2004, 9:28 p.m. CST
It's all relative to the words around it when you consider that Denzel Washington could be called very, very All-American, but Liam Neeson never would. Pretty much, the only way I know to interpret those words is that "All-American" = "Someone who couldn't be typecast as a German, Russian, Frenchmen, etc." You know... Dolph Lungren doesn't exactly fit the All-American bill (too Aryan), and neither does Sylvestor Stallone (too Italian).
Aug. 8, 2004, 9:36 p.m. CST
I've said from day one they should get George Eads to play Supes. Now that CSI gave him his walking papers I can't think of a better time for him to don the red and blue.
Aug. 8, 2004, 9:38 p.m. CST
Not that I agree with all american equating with white, but we all know they want a white guy, end of story...as it should be.
Aug. 8, 2004, 9:38 p.m. CST
Superman raped my childhood...Hulk Hogan should play Superman, "I'm here to fight for truth, justice and the Hulkamania way, brother!"...Bruce Campbell should play Lex Luthor...Superman has a beer and cheets on his wife...Superman is the sexiest beanpole on the planet...George LUcas blah blah blah..."All you fanboys need to grow up and get a life..."....Fuck greedo shooting first..."you're a retard...no you are..." More of the AICN Talback cliches for your reading pleasure!
Aug. 8, 2004, 9:45 p.m. CST
It means white, but it also means no swarthy guys or guys with hairy backs. Christopher Reeve wasn't just "white". There were a whole bushel of secondary characteristics that went into being "All-American". I realize we all look alike to many of you, but we tend to really cut each other down over this kind of shit.
Aug. 8, 2004, 9:52 p.m. CST
Adler was supposed to have been fired along with Moritz, and the Donners and Chris Reeve were supposed to be taking over the producership of the film. Unless this casting notice is faulty, I can only guess that WB decided to bar the Donners from the project (AGAIN) and to drop the idea of bringing in Reeve. Peters' role in the project was said to have been "uncertain," but if this casting notice is correct, we can assume one of two things: he's either just a powerless figurehead, or he still holds absolute creative control. If it's the latter, expect Singer, Dougherty, and Harris to be gone by year's end.
Aug. 8, 2004, 11:09 p.m. CST
come on! he's everything about Superman, even in the real life!
Aug. 8, 2004, 11:20 p.m. CST
He looks the part, anyway and hes worked with Singer before. Not sure how well he can act because hes never really had center stage with a lot of speaking parts, but he did good with what he had in X-Men. Then again, X-Men 3 might lose out if he would be unable to stay with that project. An unknown might be the best way to go, but that'd be better than Walker or Cage.
Aug. 8, 2004, 11:29 p.m. CST
by Commando Cody
Check out the scene in the steambath where he confronts the French politician who set up his father for murder. In that scene, as Caviezel struts about dramatically corning the villain, Cavizel has the sort of Superman blown-dryer hair in place and he's walking around with a friggin' cape to boot. Granted he has a goute in this sequence, but imagine him without it. NO WAY that's not Superman. Casting call over. Caviezel has the right look, the height, the bearing and we know HE CAN FUCKING ACT. This whole notion that it has to be an "unknown" is only passing muster because they're hoping to strike some kind of magic and find a relative unknown ala Christopher Reeve the first time around (who did have stage and soap opera credits under his belt at the time, it wasn't like he just walked in off the street no experience ever). Look, I agree it shouldn't be Nick Cage in a wig, but Singer is missing the boat if he can't see Caviezel is PERFECT.
Aug. 8, 2004, 11:47 p.m. CST
http://www.marccartwright.com/sitebuilder/images/Jasonheadshot-341x425.jpg He is one of the stars of the upcoming movie The Possessed. Check with them.
Aug. 8, 2004, 11:52 p.m. CST
Fuck you, fuck your family, fuck your mother, fuck your house, fuck your dog, fuck your hopes, fuck your dreams, fuck everyone who EVER thought you had a right to exist. Do the world a favor and go back to raping little girls and stop producing movies!
Aug. 9, 2004, 12:05 a.m. CST
Superman is a space alien. Basing our "Americana" culture on a guy from space that is only superficially similar to us just shows the shallowness of the entertainment industry.
Aug. 9, 2004, 12:12 a.m. CST
by Bourne GreyElf
I want the superman movie to look like sky captain.
Aug. 9, 2004, 12:53 a.m. CST
They downplayed it, but didn't deny it. "Just having meetings" is not the same as "Not having meetings". But I'm not worried. JB's on top now because of SCHOOL OF ROCK and TENACIOUS D. As soon as he bombs in something (hopefully not KING KONG), the WB will move on to the next star du jour. Heck, the costume fitting alone should scare them off.
Aug. 9, 2004, 1:11 a.m. CST
by Some Dude
Alexis Emanuel. He is perfect for the part. WB look him up.
Aug. 9, 2004, 1:27 a.m. CST
If this guy doesn't play Superman, Synger and WB can forget about my 8 bucks. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0120494/ That's him ladies and gentlemen, the man of steel.
Aug. 9, 2004, 1:38 a.m. CST
I'm short, fat and ugly. I know a guy who might be good, but I'd be too embarrased to tell him I'm a geek, and we live in Oz, so that don't help.
Aug. 9, 2004, 1:41 a.m. CST
"I stand for truth, justice, and the American way Brother!"
Aug. 9, 2004, 1:44 a.m. CST
Fuck the franchise is doomed, polar bears and gay robotic butlers. Fuck that shit man.
Aug. 9, 2004, 2:06 a.m. CST
The way I see it is to say that the Man of Steel is a household name is a major understatement. That said, go with an unknown. Why pay $20 million to some big named actor that would rarely look like Clark Kent, let alone Superman? I mean fuck.....get someone. I just know it's going to be someone over our heads. Just you wait. And about Jake Gyllenhall. I don't have a problem with that decision. Go for it. However it would be like casting Tobey Maguire who's already Spider-Man and quite frankly Gyllenhaal and Maguire are practically the same fucking guy.
Aug. 9, 2004, 2:10 a.m. CST
Just watch Count of Monte Cristo. Why go for an unknown when the best guy is right under your nose?
Aug. 9, 2004, 2:10 a.m. CST
They already look the part and they can act. Oh, and someone really needs to put a bounty on Jon Peters.
Aug. 9, 2004, 2:31 a.m. CST
Jon Peters? Get the fuck outta here!!!!
Aug. 9, 2004, 2:39 a.m. CST
Ian Somerhalder has my vote. He's a little too good looking but bulk him up a bit and you're ready to go. Rinardo
Aug. 9, 2004, 2:43 a.m. CST
It's just far more cost effective to hire an actor that actually looks like Superman rather than having to employ Rick Baker and ILM to fix a problem that could've been solved by hiring the right actor for the part. Christopher Lee playing Fu Manchu IS offensive, as would be Will Smith playing Superman. Build a bridge... and get over it.
Aug. 9, 2004, 2:49 a.m. CST
Him, or Tom Welling when he's in his thrities if they take too fucking long again. Or Matthew Bomer who was up for the role in one of its previous incarnations.
Aug. 9, 2004, 4:12 a.m. CST
actor who can play Superman. If a guy as talented and charismatic as Hugh Jackman can be puuled out of absolutely NOWHERE and be an amazing movie star, there's got to be other guys out there just like him. Look in Australia, the UK, smalltown USA, etc. There have to be other unknown actors who would be great as Superman--they just need to be discovered! by the way, JOSS WHEDON FOR X-MEN 3: RISE OF THE PHOENIX! PEACE OUT!
Aug. 9, 2004, 4:15 a.m. CST
Please explain why you consider Stallone less "all-American" than Denzel. Lundgren I can understand, since he's not an American at all, but I'm not sure how you're categorizing the other two.
Aug. 9, 2004, 4:21 a.m. CST
by joe brady
Has he ever done anything wrong? And who wants to see the young Superman again anyhoo? It's been done too many times. Bill the Butcher as Superman! It must happen. "We are gathered here on this hallowed ground to decide for good and all who holds sway over Truth, Justice, and the American Way... the Man of Steel, or the alien hordes defiling it!"
Aug. 9, 2004, 6:09 a.m. CST
by Charlie & Tex
Let's hope she casts someone as off the wall as she did when in the thick of work for John Waters. David Lochary would have made an interesting choice: "Superheroism enhances one's beauty. The greater the heroism, the more ravishing the individual". Or Turkey Joe: "These are from Krypton! You've got gooood taste". Divine would have been a new directon for Lex Luthor: "I split the California fault-line. I blew Brainiac! And I'm so fuckin' beautiful I can't stand it myself!"
Aug. 9, 2004, 6:56 a.m. CST
when you're onto a good thing, stick to it (and we all know WB is rarely onto something good concerning DC properties)............Smallville has been fantastic, so why waste such a perfect oppurtunity to see the series to completion..............Tom Welling just needs the right direction, hes playing a young unsure Kal on Smallville, not the mature Supes....................................Singer directing, Alfred Gough and Miles Millar on the script (didnt they just script a bigtime superhero flick), Smallville cast (which would only need to be Welling and Rosenbaum for the most part) cast big names as various rogues to aid Luthor...................oh yeah, and make it a trilogy, the third act featuring an attempted invasion by the armies of Apokolips, and featuring a cameo by Bale as Batman!................now thats muthaphuckkin gold right there punks...........see the light Singer and WB
Aug. 9, 2004, 7:27 a.m. CST
he's too young, doesnt actually WANT the part, is too busy on smallville (which would surely end if he became superman and would confuse audiences, seeing as the new movie is meant to be a continuation of the old series) and to be honest, jim caviezel, henry cavill (my pick) look a lot more like a grown superman than welling does. im all for having him do superman on smallville, once he's old enough, but please stop all this 'welling would be perfect' crap. no he wouldnt and the sooner you face that, the sooner you can get back to bashing batman begins, or spider-man 2, or wotever the hell else you feel like bashing just because they didnt do wotever u wanted to be done your way, which is probably wrong anyway.
Aug. 9, 2004, 7:38 a.m. CST
From: Coffee Enema Subject: "All American" = White Racist fucks. You need to get a grip you racially aggressive prick - If in your eyes you percieve "All American" to be white, then it clearly indicates its you with the racist issues and agenda NOT the casting call. Superman is White, its that simple - or do you want to change the whole mythology just to keep racists like you happy? I suppose we want Taye Diggs for the next James Bond, Donald duck to have black feathers in the next picture, and Pres.Kennedy played by Denzil in the next consipracy flick ? moron.
Aug. 9, 2004, 8:11 a.m. CST
you think audiences wanna see a large screen version of smallville or pay dough to see some actor playing the same role on the big screen when they can see him on tv for free? GET JIM CAVIEZEL and be done with this bullshit -- but since Hollywood honchos are still offended at PASSION OF THE CHRIST they prolly dont want anyone even involved with that in any way to spearhead a big movie SUPERMAN.
Aug. 9, 2004, 8:34 a.m. CST
He has said this in at least three interviews I have read. I can't believe they're this desperate to have an open casting call for Supes. Wasn't Singer attached to this? He has to have somebody in mind. Some reasonably known white actor must need a paycheck.
Aug. 9, 2004, 8:44 a.m. CST
Forget this fucking movie, the show I gotta see is the documentary chronicleing this whole decade long preproduction hell! If it's anything short of 4 hours, I'll be greatly disappointed.
Aug. 9, 2004, 9:06 a.m. CST
How does wearing red, yellow and blue correspond to Superman being "all-American"? Maybe I'm missing something here, but isn't the American flag red, WHITE and blue? And isn't the blue a completely different shade? Even if he did wear those three colours, they would just as readily fit with him being all-British, all-French, all-Russian, all-Chilean, all-Cuban, all-Norwegian, all-Liberian, all-Icelandic, all-Dutch, all-Serbian, all-Taiwanese, all-North Korean, all-Burmese, all-Australian, all-New Zealanderianish, all-Panamanian, all-Luxembourger, all-Czech, all-Laotian, all-Thai, all-Slovak, all-Samoan, all-Cambodian or all-Nepalese. Throw in countries whose flags are very nearly, but not quite entirely red, white and blue and you can add all-Costa Rican, all-Paraguayan, all-Croatian, all-Dominican and all-Slovenian to the list (aren't reference books handy?).
Aug. 9, 2004, 9:07 a.m. CST
What's the bet WB's Orwellian revisionist historians deny that this mess was in preproduction for over a decade? I'd pay A LOT for a five disc boxed set including an all-encompassing "warts & all" documentary by Laurent Bouzerau. Interviews with past directors, writers, actors, HUGE galleries of abandoned preproduction artwork and designs, scripts, fan-reactions etcetera. That would be a good honest doco.
Aug. 9, 2004, 9:11 a.m. CST
You know, the heartland of America? A small town with decent, wholesome values where an orphaned kid from another planet could be brought up to fight for truth, justice and the American way? But hey, if you jaded bastards want your Superman to be high on crack while flying through smog-filled skies on his way to put a cap in someone's ass over an X-Box, then you need to worry about something a little more important than Superman being WASPish...
Aug. 9, 2004, 9:32 a.m. CST
Other than the Tom Welling partisans, Caviezel seems to be the fanboy favorite, a la Christian Bale for Batman. Passion of the Christ will be out on DVD in a couple of weeks... whatever you thought of the subject matter, one of the reasons that film held together and was such a hit was because Caviezel has loads of screen presence and can act. The guy's a bona fide movie star in the making; don't know what Warner's is waiting for...
Aug. 9, 2004, 9:47 a.m. CST
how about kevin spacey as luthor? selma blair as Lois? and jk simmons as the gruff newspaper editor j jonah jam-- er, i mean, perry white? and by the way, however said that Superman is a modern day Jesus is a fool. read a Bible sometime.
Aug. 9, 2004, 10 a.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
I always picked him for Batman but now that Batman is Bale, I would pick Eads for Supes. And BTW, Welling is not a good actor. He always looks as if he's going to cry at any moment. And when he yells "Lana" I always laugh. He sounds like a big Wuss. But with our luck, Kutcher will play Superman. Mark my words.......
Aug. 9, 2004, 10:02 a.m. CST
by Heywood Jablowme
He has "killer" looks. He is vigilent in his quest for finding evildoers. OJ can act like a motherfucker, just ask those 12 jurors who acquitted him. WB should let him take a stab at it.
i vote for caviezel
Aug. 9, 2004, 10:31 a.m. CST
Hey guys, I don't know how old most of you are but I'm guessing I am a little older than most of you. A couple of years ago 60 minutes did an expose on company hiring practices regarding minorities, suffice it to say that All American meant blue eyed and blonde, (but Superman is not blonde, so the argument may be without merit) now you can say that it means white, but just like us black people, whites come in as many different looks, sandy brown hair, dark hair, red hair, brown eyes, blue eyes, etc. Let's not make this a race issue, but hope they get an actor we all love, and yes he should be white. I grew up with comics and believe any movie should stick as closely as possible to the comic. Even though I'm black I hated the fact that they made Kingpin black. But maybe they couldn't find a big, built white actor who could pull it off. I just hope this Superman is better than the original movie.
Aug. 9, 2004, 10:37 a.m. CST
by Bill Maher
As Halle Berry (a strong, PROUD black actress) proved in Catwoman, strong, PROUD black actors are more than capable of playing superheroes as long as big fat fags in their thirties who can't get laid don't let their bigotry get in the way. Avery Brooks would make a great Lex Luthor, too. Superman stands for truth, justice and the American way and that includes multiculturalism.
Aug. 9, 2004, 10:38 a.m. CST
Elements of the ancient Greek myth of Herakles, Romanised as Hercules, was adapted along with all the other stories into morality plays by the Romans and later adopted by the Hebrews as their sacred text and then simplified/perfected into the Jesus myth. Superman has SO much in common with these other fictional characters that it's unfair to lambast someone for making the connection from the modern fairytales to the ancient ones. From Ancient Greece/Rome through Judaism and Nietzsche
Aug. 9, 2004, 10:42 a.m. CST
If WB any any integrity, repect and love for the characters they would cast these two for superman and batman. Michael O'Hearn's and Batman Clark Bartram . http://www.capedwonder.com/Collora.htm If any superman or batman fan has not seen Sandy Collara's work I suggest you see the real deal there.
Aug. 9, 2004, 10:46 a.m. CST
His name's Tom Welling.
Aug. 9, 2004, 11:01 a.m. CST
... or Balthazar Getty. Sol Goode was on cable again this weekend and the kid grew up into a huge kansas-fed farmboy type. He looks like he could be a good be Kent. But Cavaziel gets my vote.
Aug. 9, 2004, 12:01 p.m. CST
I the past Welling has appeared reluctant to put on the tights for a Superman film, but this was at a time when Brett Ratner and McG were playing musical chairs as director and Warners was throwing hissy fits over everything from location to budget and the dodgy script by Abrams. Who's to say that Welling didn't know that Singer had been lurking in the shadows, and decided to hold out for a better package. Welling's the natural choice for the role. Getting an actor that audiences will accept as Superman on the big screen after Reeve's definitive portrayal is a major challenge. Welling's already accepted in the public consciousness and even has Reeve's personal blessing. He also shares the same sort of clean, delicate facial features that prevents Superman from being just another musclebound lug. Under Singer's sympathetic direction I reckon he could do a top job.
Aug. 9, 2004, 12:38 p.m. CST
by Big Bad Clone
I am soooooo applying anyways.
Aug. 9, 2004, 1:54 p.m. CST
Several websites reported last week that Singer has already offered Welling the gig, and that he has a couple of weeks to decide whether to take it or not.
Aug. 9, 2004, 2:03 p.m. CST
William Hung as Bizarro could really be ... bizarre
Aug. 9, 2004, 2:30 p.m. CST
giving Smallville a natural conclusion with films neednt mean its 'Smallville" on the big screen........I think all SV fans would expect something epic as soon as Welling dones the costume...........all bets off, Metropolis and the world at peril, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria.............Desk is right, Welling is the closest thing to a sure bet, and can anyone confirm Wormies info, cos thats made my day....................one other thing Singer and co should note, is that Tom Welling isnt the star of Smallville, its Michael fuckin Rosenbaum............give him the chance to right the Hackman wrong
Aug. 9, 2004, 3:10 p.m. CST
he already played a man of steel in Xmen 2. http://www.allmoviephoto.com/photo/2003_x_men_2_029.html
Aug. 9, 2004, 3:50 p.m. CST
White, handsome, athletic, charismatic, looks good wearing red, white, + blue (the Patriots colors), he has acting experience playing a nerd in Stuck on You. I think its perfect.
Aug. 9, 2004, 4:46 p.m. CST
Unknowns or "fresh faces" are the best for this type of role. Christopher Reeve wasn't that well known before Superman. Not to mention most of the cast of ALIEN. I say get someone who has the right looks and the acting chops and just friggin' do it already.
Aug. 9, 2004, 4:49 p.m. CST
as long as it isn't that guy from Sandy Collara's "World's Finest" trailer. That dude looks like a comic book Superman. Grossly over-proportioned and pretty to the point of looking effeminate.
Aug. 9, 2004, 6:06 p.m. CST
If Tom Wellig doesn't take the role (which is my second choice) than it has got to be Caviezel. WARNER BROS, JUST PICK UP THE FUCKIN' PHONE AND CALL CAVIEZEL. The dude can act PERIOD...CHEERS Amigos!
Aug. 9, 2004, 6:38 p.m. CST
I think I could play Superman. I'm 5'11 (that's rounding down), 185 (can gain 10-15 lbs of muscle if need be). I have an all-American look, blue eyes, square jaw, my hair does that little curly-Q thing on my forehead naturally, etc.. You guys can check me out at Hot or Not, please let me know what you think: http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=OUBQAQS&key=MYR
Aug. 9, 2004, 7:14 p.m. CST
Now I'm not racist in the least, but you talk backers of black, latino, italian, whatever....CHILIAN background that are complaining that a white guy is going to play Superman (SUPERMAN, PEOPLE, SUPERMAN!!! DO YOU REMEMBER WHO THAT IS???) are the most stupid idiots I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Besides the "Mustafa Akbar Rodriguez"s who've been posting here, who in their right mind would want to see an ethnic Superman after 60+ years of having the character be white? Oh, wait. I remember there being a black Superman. His name was Steel, and we all remember how THAT movie turned out. Excuse the hell outta everyone involved if, back in the '30s, the character came out as a white "all american" Superman instead of an Italian Superman. Or an Indian Superman. Or a Russian Superman. Or an anything else Superman. Besides, admit it. Would you really buy a Superguido comic book? Well, maybe you might. I might. Anyway, just because Superman was created white doesn't mean that this casting process needs to be labeled as a hate crime. If you keep complaining about Superman's race, I'm going to rally a group to bombard the studios with angry letters demanding that they go back and digitally alter "Malcom X" Lucas-style so that Malcom is played by Ashton Kutcher. Futhermore, by the time I'm done, every Jew in Schidler's List will be played by Hugo Weaving, Axle Foley will be played by Mike Meyers, and Jesus in "The Passion" will be played by Hellboy. But I'm sure there would be no complaints against ANY of THOSE changes, would there? Think about this: Blade is a fantastic superhero. He's black. Those are great movies. I can't wait for the third one. Be happy those movies starring a BLACK *gasp* superhero even made it to the screen, and leave Superman alone. Everyone needs to just shut up about this whole thing. Supes is going to be white, and it's not anything against you. Deal with it.
Aug. 9, 2004, 7:28 p.m. CST
I agree, Superman should be a White dude. If Superman was Mexican he'd be called El Super Vato Loco or EL Super Vergudo:-)...CHEERS Amigo!
Aug. 9, 2004, 7:35 p.m. CST
Well imagine if that guy had played Supes for the WHOLE FILM. That's what it would be like if Tom Welling (or Ashton Kutcher, or INSERT PRETTY-BOY YOUNG ACTOR HERE) were to get the role. It's SuperMAN, not Superprettyfuckingactorboy.
Aug. 9, 2004, 7:54 p.m. CST
Sorry, for some reason I just don't see it. He just seems flat and dull to me. Maybe I just haven't seen him in the right role, but I've found him to be unmemorable when I have seen him. Maybe they can find an unknown, or maybe Welling will end up being cast, who knows? *****Also, I think it would be cool if Singer casts Chris Reeve as Jor-El. It would be a great tribute to the character's film history, and I think Reeve would be great in that sort of role. They could CGI his body for any Krypton scenes.*****The best thing about possibly casting Welling is that we could get to see Rosenbaum play Lex Luthor on the big screen. Rosenbaum rules as Lex Luthor, no matter what your opinion of Welling is.*****What else? Jack Black absolutely must never play the Green Lantern, and Green Lantern should never be a comedy (just as Marvel's Fantastic Four should never be a comedy, "bittersweet" or otherwise). For superhero movies to work, they must be faithful to the spirit of the source: the original comic books. Very simply, almost all superhero comic books are best described as ACTION-ADVENTURE: ie, "Good Guys Versus Bad Guys". For studio folks not familar with comic books, think of them as Westerns set in modern day Cities, where the Heroes and Villains wear masks and costumes and fight each other. This is not universally true of ALL comic books, but it is a good template to follow so as to get the basic idea. Comic book fans generally take their superheroes seriosuly, just like John Wayne fans and Dirty Harry fans take those actors and characters seriously. That doesn't mean there can't be other elements involved, like humor, romance, horror, or sci-fi, but generally, superhero comics are action-adventure stories where good guys fight bad guys, just like in the old Westerns. Please take the genre somewhat seriously, especially if you want to make mega-bucks at the box office (see Spiderman), as opposed to scratch (see Catwoman).*****Of course, there are exceptions to the rules: Platic Man, for example, is a comic book superhero who is essentially comedic, but that is because the character is comedic in the source material: the original comic book. Still, even though Plastic Man is funny, he is still a costumed hero who fights costumed villains, and so he is still in the Action-Adventure mode, just with Comedy added. If you want to make a funny superhero movie starring Jim Carrey or some such actor, Plastic Man is a good example of a character with which that could be done. ******Green Lantern, on the other hand, is not comedic. In fact, after Superman and Batman, it could be argued that the Green Lantern is the third most important character in the DC Mythos (there are, of course, other contenders, such as Wondeer Woman and the Green Arrow, but Green Lantern is a major character and a contender). Green Lantern is essentially a powerful superhero in the Action-Adventure mode, with strong Space/Science-Fiction overtones. To even consider making a movie out of this character that is a comedy starring Jack Black is a serious misreading of this property, and is deadly for the chances of making Green Lantern into a successful franchise, which is only possible if the character is handled right (this is generally true for ALL superhero characters; being true to the source is step one in making a successful film out of them). I like Jack Black a lot; he is funny as hell, but he should not make this movie, and neither should Warner Brothers.*****Another example of a possible comic book movie misfire is the Fantastic Four. I feel that the movie has been miscast. The actors are too young and do not fit their roles. The Fantastic Four are not Spiderman and they are not the X-Men. Spiderman/Peter Parker is eternally youthful. The key to his character is that he is orginally a science nerd/loser in high school (and later college and post-college life), who accidentaly gains powers that make him a hero and a winner. The character is essentially YOUNG. Likewise, the X-Men concept is that of a team of YOUNG mutants, gathered at a special school for the gifted, led and taught by older, more experienced mutant heroes. Here again, YOUTH is written into the original character concept. Youth is a mjor component of the X-Men team. The Fantastic Four is essentially a different animal. Reed Richards is essentially a father-figure and a leader. He is basically a PHD, a professor, not some kid. The Thing is orginally an experienced test pilot, not some green kid (admittedly, the older Michael Chicklis has been age-appropriately cast in this role, but he is the exception in this cast). Reed Richards is not a teen-ager, and he is not a twenty-something. In his classic form, he is a paternal genius with greying hair and an adult personality. He is Fred MacMurray with superpowers, off to save the world and kick ass. He is essentially an ADULT. In the Fantastic Four movie, he seems to have been cast as a youth. This is a mistake. Reed Richards is in a May-December romance with Sue Storm (Richards is the December). Sue Strom herself is usually portrayed in the comics as the Den Mother of the Fantastic Four. Sue Storm is basically a super-powered MILF. There is nothing motherly or MILF-like about Jessica Alba. She is cute girl, but she is woefully miscast as Sue Storm. She is a girl, not a woman, and therefore the casting is completely off. Johnny Storm, Sue's younger brother, is essentially the irresponsible, wise-cracking youngster in the Fantastic Four comics. But, even though he is the youngest member of the Fantastic Four, he is still a man, albeit a young man. He is a hot-rod driving daredevil who uses his fame to date beautiful young women and live the fast life. He enjoys taunting Ben Grimm/The Thing, and is regularly admonished by the paternal Reed Richards, and mothered by his OLDER sister, Sue Storm. From the looks of the casting, the actor playing Johnny Storm is OLDER-looking than his purported sister, Sue. This is more miscasting. *****The basic dynamic of the Fantastic Four is that of a family, albeit a super-powered and heroic family. Reed is the distracted, scientific father, Sue is the young (hot/MILF) mother, Johnny is the flippant teen-aged son, and Ben Grimm/The Thing is the irascible yet likeable Uncle who is always verbally sparring with Johnny the smart-ass. *****Remember, though, the Fantastic Four, whatever its dynamics, is NOT a COMEDY. It can (and does) have comedic elements, but it follows the basic comic book superhero template: it is an ACTION-ADVENTURE. It is Good Guys (The Fantastic Four) fighting Bad Guys (Doctor Doom, Galactus, and so on). The Fantastic Four has comedic elements, but it also has strong dramatic and tragic elements, in addition to a science-fiction flavor (rocket ships, space travel, inventions, ultimate weapons, alien supervillains). It would be a mistake NOT to play the Fantastic Four as Action-Adventure and instead make it a Comedy (Bittersweet or Otherwise). Also, do not be deceived by other successful comic book superhero movies: the fact that Spiderman and the X-Men prominently feature teen-agers as superheroes is a fluke. Most superhero characters (Marvel, DC, or others) are ADULTS, NOT ADOLESCENTS or even young adults. It seems to me that the Fantastic Four has been largely miscast along these lines, and this indicates a misunderstanding of the essential nature of the characters. In sum, to succeed in making a suphero movie, stay close to the characters as portrayed in the source book: the original comics. This means casting the characters in the film to similar ages, appearances, and demeanors to the comic book versions. In most cases, superheroes are Adults, not teenagers. *****Also, superhero comci books, for the most part, are ACTION-Adventure stories. They are NOT comedies, despite the fantastic and outlandish natures of many of the costumes and stories. Just as Westerns had Good Guys wearing White hats fighting Bad Guys wearing Black Hats, so comic books have Heroes wearing costumes fighting Villains who wear their own costumes. Superheroes are fantastical action-adventures stoires of Good versus Evil. Comic undertones are usally just that: undertones. The stories are to be taken somewhat seriously as dramatic conflicts between Good and Evil. The Fantastic Four is NOT a comedy. Neither is the Green Lantern, nor is Superman, Batman, Spiderman, etc. (although all having varying degrees of humor and light-heartenedness, at times). Studios should not plan to make any of these types of characters into comedy films (unless they are interested in killing a potential franchise before it even gets out of the gate). If someone wants to make a superhero comedy film, find the rare superhero comic book that is a deliberate comedy in its original form in the comics, Plastic Man or the Flaming Carrot being two examples. The Green Lantern is not a comedy, and to make it into one is to kill its box office potential, at least amongts comic book fans.*****So, there you have a rather extensive set of notes on comic book characters and superhero movies. Hope I ddin't bore anyone, but I felt I had some points to make. Thanks. Barron out.
Aug. 9, 2004, 9:51 p.m. CST
Both would be perfect.
Aug. 9, 2004, 9:54 p.m. CST
So you want a black Superman? Why don't you ask Shaq how that idea flew. I tell you what, I'll cast a black Superman when you hire Matt Damon to play Martin Luther King.
Aug. 9, 2004, 9:58 p.m. CST
It's the guy you see walking down the street in a foreign country. You can spot them a mile away. It's hard to pin point. Bush has that all American face, so did Reagen, so did The Marlboro Man (even Don Johnson), Kevin Costner definateley looks like an American. It's just another way of labelling something to make it easier to convey what you're talking about so another person can understand what you mean. I don't see All American as being a racist comment at all. This is a dark, Spanishy looking guy signing off
Aug. 9, 2004, 10:05 p.m. CST
He's perfect the role. Because he's young they could do like 5 films with him. Then again, an unknown might be alright too. No other KNOWN actor right now would be good, though. Welling or an unknown.
Aug. 9, 2004, 10:06 p.m. CST
I've had that little curly hair thing going on on my fringe my whole life. Does that count?
Aug. 9, 2004, 11:05 p.m. CST
"You gotta admit, if they wanna say a white guy, they could just come right out and say it" -Terry_1978 Yea, they should be able to say, we want a white guy. But, in reality, they can't.
Aug. 9, 2004, 11:15 p.m. CST
Aug. 10, 2004, 12:48 a.m. CST
that "fool" comment was uncalled for. i apologize. yes, there are thematic similarities in the general story lines of the two people. where i find differences is that a)one is real and one isn't (even those who scoff at the Christian notion of him being the Son of God admit that there was a man named Jesus), and b)the actual character of the two individuals is quite different. Kal-El is a fighter, he imposes his set of values by sheer dint of force and strength. he attempts to create an Eden on earth by stopping evil. the whole "Might for Right" concept that on the face and in theory is all well and good. Jesus, on the other hand, attempted a more basic change, combating the evil inherant to each and every one of us, the individual changing society by living a virtuous life. how the change is wrought is undoubtedly where we shall differ, but those who laud Jesus as a "good man, a great moral teacher" agree that whatever else he was or claimed to be, his teachings dealt with man's heart. the interior metamorphosis vs. the exterior whitewashing. Jesus also was a pacifist. when Pilate faced him, when his life was at stake, jesus told him that his kingdom was Not of this world, or else his followers would fight to the death before letting him fall into Roman hands. just a little thought. i admire Superman immensely, but i feel, and i think he'd agree (probably says so once or twice over the years) that it would be better if there were no need for him at all. that is what Jesus was aiming at.
Aug. 10, 2004, 12:51 a.m. CST
If they are looking for an unknown, I don't think they could go wrong with this dude. There are pics of him here http://www.supermanmuseum.com/ He has the look and the build. He's an up and coming actor too, I'm pretty sure. What do you guys think of him as Superman? Heck, he even has his own Superman suit.
Aug. 10, 2004, 1:45 a.m. CST
I'm sure he's talented and stuff, but to me, he doesn't look right. I would love to go to one of these big LOTR conventions dressed up in one of the High Elves of the Last Alliance armour. Generally because they rock and I'm tall and slim, so it would look right on me. But if anyone were to put pictures of me on the web.....you can just shoot me right now
Aug. 10, 2004, 1:47 a.m. CST
Aug. 10, 2004, 11:34 a.m. CST
Not because somebody is bald then he automatically should play Luthor (Vin Diesel? Dumbest idea!). Fiennes would make a perfect Luthor. And CAVIEZEL IS SUPERMAN! no need to look any further, your Superman is right there in front of you!
Aug. 10, 2004, 1:10 p.m. CST
Nevermind that I'm a pasty white bald scrawny Canadian, I could be SUPERMAN! Or at the very least one of the extras in the background.
Aug. 10, 2004, 3:31 p.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
Because Smallville takes place in present day doesn't it? I thought this was an origin pic, so they have to get new actors. Besides Welling sucks.
Aug. 10, 2004, 3:34 p.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
How frigging hard is it to cast this damn film?
Aug. 10, 2004, 4:27 p.m. CST
What's up with this Jim Cavaziel thing? He doesn't have the proportions. The look? yeah... okay. But the muscle to pull it off... Don't think so. Even if he bulked up. Mr. Cavaziel is about 6' maybe, 170lbs? Superman is 6'5" 230-240? Do the Math my friends.
Aug. 10, 2004, 7:30 p.m. CST
Eion Bailey (Band of Brothers, Pancho Villa) has the right look. And he can act.
Aug. 10, 2004, 10:48 p.m. CST
I figured after that Britney Spears Pepsi commercial, your career was all set. Get crackin' on this one, Merch!!
Aug. 11, 2004, 12:41 a.m. CST
PUD you biggot. "As Halle Berry (a strong, PROUD black actress) proved in Catwoman, strong, PROUD black actors are more than capable of playing superheroes as long as big FAT FAGS in their thirties who can't get laid don't let their bigotry get in the way." I guess obese people and homosexuals aren't included in PUD's multiculturalism. PUD if you are a real person who believes the vile filth you spew...wow. FYI appearance should always be taken into consideration when casting a part, even race. I gaurantee you won't see Patrice Oneal doing a picture about Prefontaine.
Aug. 11, 2004, 12:45 p.m. CST
When Brett Rattner was still on deck to direct one of his prime Candidates was Matthew Bomer, Best known for his roles on popular soap operas. Most recently he has been seen on Fox's TRU CALLING. I never saw him on any soaps but the first time I saw him on TRU CALLING the first words out of my mouth were "That guy was born to play Superman" He has the chiseled features, the deep blue eyes, and the hair. A couple of weeks in the gym and what do you have? The best man to wear the mantle of the last son of Krypton since Christopher Reeve. Seriously do some research, check out some pics of the guy and tell me you don't see Kal El.
Aug. 11, 2004, 1:16 p.m. CST
You know, I am as progressive as the next guy, and I believe that all comic characters can be envisioned in as many ways as an artist chooses to interperet them. A black Superman is certainly a cool possibility to pursue as maybe an Elseworlds comic you cant take a hero with a 70 year history and reinvent him on the big screen without serious critical and financial risk. We all know how well Catwoman was recieved. The fact is you can't make a race issue out of everything. As much as I like Will Smith, casting him as Superman would be a mistake. Kal El is not African. KRYPTON IS AN ICE PLANET. Anyone who knows anything of genetics knows that people who live in those climates don't have that kind of pygmentation. If Kal El had come from a planet with a more temperate or tropical climate then fine I can see an African American playing the role. As it stands though it is a lousy idea... How would you feel if they cast a white dude as Blade in Blade 4, or if they finally made a Black Panther movie and cast a caucasian in that role? It is the same thing. If you want to write an alternate story for the character and make your own movie fine. But when major studios make films based on comic characters they are trying to reach as wide of an audience as possible. When HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE LINE THEY HAVE TO MAKE A FILM THAT WILL PLEASE EVERYONE. And believe me I have plenty of friends of african descent who laughed at the prospect of Will Smith playing Superman. So stop trying to make it a race issue. Think of how stupid Will Smith would look trying to play Clark Kent. First of all What brother would be named Clark? And Will Smith has way too much style to play an awkward gawky character like Kent. As I said it is just a lousy idea
Aug. 11, 2004, 1:40 p.m. CST
But I do agree with some of the things you say .Especially about Jim Carrey as Plastic Man, although, and I know I risk reiterating one of the oldest cliches in AICN, Bruce Campbell would be even better at Plastic Man, and he'd cost only a fraction of a fraction of a fraction what Carrey would cost.
Aug. 11, 2004, 1:54 p.m. CST
seriously read my post entitled "strong black actors" I can't even begin to illustrate how ignorant you sound. If racial issues are truly important to you then why don't you try to make a legitimate difference in the way african american culture is portrayed in our media. Instead of bitching about the fact that Superman is going to be played by a white guy. Start bitching about the fact that 50 cent thinks its cool that the has been shot a half a dozen times and that that is the image he is trying to sell to americas youth. Or maybe you could try to confront the media about how they influence underpriveledged kids in the inner city into thinking that huge medallions and phat rims are what makes a man. Regardless you obviously have some serious issues. Get a life and quit wasting everyone elses time whining that Superman is white. Spawn is black, Batman is white, Blade is black, Spiderman is white, Black Panther is Black, The Flash is white, Luke Cage is Black etc. Comics are pretty diverse, and if you want more Superhero films with black protagonists cool, I can respect that but when you whine about something as traditional as superman, you just sound like a total douche. Seriously, get over yourself.
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