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Hey folks, Harry here... I went stark raving SPIDEY-CRAZY after watching SPIDER-MAN 2... I'm waiting till the otherside of this long holiday weekend, till I see it again... but I'm dying to take my nephew to it. He's been jumping into walls for the last two years trying to stick... He knows about the spider bite, so he tries his hardest to get bit, but the problem is... He's not real sure about understanding the phrases like "Radioactive" or "Bio-Engineered" -- so I've been reduced to claiming it was a magic spider, so he'll stop hurting the walls. Meanwhile - it was his 4th Birthday yesterday, and I had to hire SPIDER-MAN to come entertain at his party at PEDAZO CHUNK!
As he sat in that chair and stared in awe at spectacular Spider-Man... the 67 Spidey series playing in the background... well... it was bliss. Spider-Man taught him about his food groups, recycling and how to be a hero in your everyday life. He asked my crazy nephew what he wanted to be when he grew up and he answered proudly, "GOLLUM!" The stunned Spider-Man took a step back from the boy and said, "That's definitely an odd choice, but who am I to judge, I'm possessed with the power of a radioactive spider, and he's wants to be consumed by the power of the One Ring, it's all good!" Next he taught the group of celebrating children how to exercise (if only someone had taught me earlier!) and finally he taught my rambunctious nephew how to websling through the miracles of SILLY STRING!!!
Then came BALLOON ANIMALS! Heh... Yes, it is a relatively obscure fact that Spider-Man knows the ancient art of Balloon Animals... He made butterflies and other bugs, a balloon Spider-Man and swords... lots of swords... A couple of crowns and 2 Weiner Dogs. Oh... and a kitty cat with the longest tail ever! By the time he was done, this rather stocky Spider-Man... whose face will forever be shrouded in mystery had won all of our hearts!
If you're in Austin and want to hire a great SPIDER-MAN show for your little ones, I recommend THREE RING SERVICE - just look em up in the phone book. He's outstanding! MEANWHILE...
I know many of you have been dying for a Neill Cumpston review of SPIDER-MAN 2... Unfortunately... he's been forced to just consume jar after jar of peanut butter to replenish his proteins, as this is what he had to say about Spidey 2: "SPIDER-MAN 2 is the greatest gift to nerds since masturbation!" Go stick that on your poster!
Also - if you didn't pick up the 1967 classic Spider-Man toon set on DVD yet... my oh my, is it a treat. Cheesy and classic!
As the nation celebrates this long Spider-Man 2 Weekend and fires off its fireworks and sings its praises everywhere, I hope you and your family has as much fun celebrating the pure joy of SPIDER-MAN to the fullest of your abilities.... We geeks do live in precious times! Take that Flash Thompson!
Also - if you live in Austin, and want a way to celebrate being a movie geek... well the party at PEDAZO CHUNK (2009 South First St) beginning at 6pm today (Friday, July 2nd) will be going full steam till late in the evening... There'll be beer, snacks, drinks, food, cheer and films all being shown... I know I'll be there, hope to see you there too!
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Jul 02, 2004 7:40:26 AM CDT
It was great - only a heartless bastard would dump on this movie
by grubstreeter
Sure some CGI was too obvious, but that's nitpicking. Great performances, script, direction. A great superhero movie, and a great movie period. They knocked it out of the park.
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find me some bleach. I wish to be blind after seeing fat spiderman
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Spiderman 2 also put me to sleep. Then I woke up and my ass was hurting and the geeks around me were laughing for some reason.
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Jul 02, 2004 8:16:18 AM CDT
Look children, look what happened to Spider Man when he gave up
by bokes
maybe that version of spider man got bitten by a radio-active spider with a thyroid gland problem.
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...Sort out that kid's hair.
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I guess this new found fame had sort of a Marlon Brando effect for our webslinging hero.
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Sorry this is so long; I copied it directly from my blog. I figured if I linked it, no one would read it, and if I posted it instead, two people would read it, so I went with that. I doubt my paragraph breaks are going to work...if it's unreadable and you're really interested, go to http://www.livejournal.com/~rantvacuum/6793.html
Two-word review: didn't suck. I'll try to maintain some semblance of order in the longer review that follows, but forgive me if I ramble. I will do my best to avoid spoilers, but different people have different definitions of what constitutes a spoiler, so if you want to know nothing at all, move on. You've been warned.
For years the comic book fanbase has been clamoring for Hollywood to take its comic properties more seriously when translating them to the big screen. This has worked extremely well with the X-Men films, and to a slightly lesser extent, the first Spiderman film. Hopes are high for Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins. But if last summer's snoozerama Hulk taught us anything, it's that things can only be taken so seriously before they turn ponderous. Judging from Spiderman 2, Sam Raimi has not learned that lesson.
Now let's not get carried away. Spiderman 2 is far superior to Hulk in every possible way (with the exception of the choice of leading lady). But it falls into the same trap of "character development as exercise in extreme tedium."
Out of respect for the unparalleled brilliance of Evil Dead 2, I'm happy to watch any movie Sam Raimi cares to make. Except that Kevin Costner baseball movie -- I'm not going there. But apart from that, I'm game. And it turns out that Raimi is great so long as he stays on one track. With the Evil Dead films, it's all action, and it's fantastic...but of course Ash isn't the most three-dimensional character in cinematic history. In films like The Gift and A Simple Plan, he proved that he can do the quiet, talky character thing really well, too...but those films are not exactly loaded with thrills and spills. What Raimi doesn't seem to do well is to find a balance between the two. He wants Spiderman 2 to vibrate with action and excitement, and when it does, it does. But he also wants to explore Peter Parker's motivations to their fullest, and when he does, the film comes to a grinding halt. So there are two films here -- an eye-candy action film and a deliberately paced character study -- and their scenes have been intermingled into one less-than-satisfying whole. The film takes forever to get going, and just when things are rolling right along, suddenly Peter and Aunt May are parked at the kitchen table, or Peter and MJ are out by the garbage cans, struggling to say the things they really want to say to each other... and everyone's being just about as dull and contemplative as the film will allow them to be.
But there are good things, too. Really good things. Alfred Molina is wonderful. His Dr. Otto Octavius radiates an honest charm that is impossible to resist. This is not another Norman Osborne; Octavius is a guy you'd love to have dinner with - brilliant, engaging, warm, funny, genuinely likable. And when disaster strikes and he is transformed into Doctor Octopus, it's tragic. Doc Ock is a truly threatening villain, unlike the laughable Green Goblin. Sure the Goblin wouldn't hesitate to kill you, but he'd look ridiculous doing it. Doc Ock would make you wet your pants first. Dude is scary.
The action scenes are great. The CG's not much better than the first film, but it's put to much better use. I'm not going to break down every scene, but suffice it to say you'll get your money's worth. The train scene... extremely cool. And there are a few good laughs in the film as well.
I remember walking out of the first Spiderman feeling exhilarated, walking on air. I felt I had just seen the best a comic book movie could ever be. After repeated viewings and the passage of time, I grew less enamored of the film as its flaws began to show. I think this has been the case for a lot of people, from what I've read. The astonishment has been replaced with appreciation and fondness, but not adoration. I don't even own it on DVD, which given the size of my collection, is saying something. I'd rent it, but I'd fast forward through most of the Willem Dafoe/Oscorp stuff.
I'll be fast forwarding through even more of Spiderman 2, I'm afraid. Like the first twenty minutes or so. And big chunks of the rest of the film. But I may actually buy this one, only because the stuff that works, works so darn well. Maybe time will bring a reversal in my attitude, and I'll actually start to appreciate it more, but I don't think so. I think time will be even less kind to this film than it has been to the first.
So I'm giving it a B-. It's worth seeing, no question. Wait a couple of weeks for the crowds to die down; no sense in suffering the masses. Just don't go into it expecting the Second Coming or anything. You'll have a fine time, I'm sure. -
what you don't know is anything about comic movies. Spiderman 2 is undeniably better than Spiderman and Batman, and while the jury is out on this one still, I would say it is better than even Superman. Yup. That's right. Superman got owned as far as I am concerned. Spiderman 2 didn't have an OTIS to wreck its tone, and while there were some funny parts, Spiderman 2 didn't treat the source material like one gigantic joke like Superman did. The revealing of Lex Luthor's wig was a terrible way to treat such an iconic bad villain as he was being arrested. Spiderman 2 was so interested in its characters that it made the stupendous fight sequences awesome. Why? Because we cared about the characters. Also, as you seem to be stuck on the villain, I just want to say am glad that this movie was not DOC OCK: THE MOVIE. After seeing 4 Batman films get co-opted by the bad guys, and countless super hero movies with boring heroes, its great to actually be interested in the parts of the movie where the hero is not in costume fighting crime. That last shot of MJ's face was a very comic book choice to end the movie on. MJ's choice was not an easy one, and it might cost her everything by the end. Sure one problem is resolved, but like a comic book, if you don't show two or more problems starting at the end of the resolution, you are going to have a big problem getting things started in the next issue.
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Jul 02, 2004 11:57:42 AM CDT
This stuff is NOT important . . . MARLON BRANDO is dead at the a
by harrisonsdad
Watching CNN and the Breaking News was just reported. Brando's attorney said the 80 year old actor passed away at a Los Angeles Hospital. Looking at a chubby clown in a Spider-Man costume doesn't even make me laugh right now. Brando was the greatest actor of his generation. "A Streetcar Named Desire", "On the Waterfront", "The Wild Ones", "Mutiny on the Bounty", "The Godfather", "Last Tango in Paris" . . . Man, just watching those six films should convince anyone what a real actor is all about. Sure, the man had his quirks (re: sending Littlefeather to refuse his Oscar) and his life was filled with tragedy and rag mag fodder, but it is his work on the screen that we should focus on. He said several times that he regretted being a so-called Movie Star. He just wanted to be a good actor. He was tired of people trying to turn his life into mythology, yet, that is just what he was. Part myth, part greek tragedy, his life and times would have made Billy Shakespeare write a great drama had he been around. Perhaps he wasn't still making great films on a regular basis, but what he left us will be enough to fill our hearts with joy as we watch him emote on DVD for generations to come. To paraphrase his Marc Antony . . . "Friends, Actors and Talkbakers, we come here to praise him."
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Commenting on the film, I thought it was a wonderful film; it brought together the elements of film and the wonder of comic books together. I would have to agree with one of the previous post about Spider-man 2 being the best comic book film to date. This movie had a great director, script and actors. Most of all, the movie produced a suspension of disbelief from the audience that I have not seen since the first Lord of the Rings, or Jurassic Park.
With that said I only have a couple of problems with the film.
Does it bother anyone else that now a crap load of people know the face under the mask? I am sure this would set up newer problems in the next film, but the kids dialogue "We won't tell anyone" bothered me because I saw the look in that kids eye and he would give up Spider-man for three sugar cookies and a picture of his best-friends sister in the shower in a heart beat.
The other thing is how come since 1989 every villain in a comic book movie ends up dead (except Unbreakable), why is this a trend, Doc Ock rocked and still could be a key player in the Spider-man movie franchise? STOP KILLING THE BAD GUYS. Ask any comic geek and he/she will tell you that there was an anticipation of the Joker (good old Jack) returning to any of the sequel BATMAN movies. Because we all knew that dead in comics is really never dead, but in the movies Dead means not marketable. If you have not seen Spider-man SEE IT! If you hated it, or walked out on it SEE IT AGAIN go in with a different attitude of possible seeing something wonderful and not anticipating the worst.
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In other news: Brando's dead, the biggest film of the summer has just been released, and AICN, one of the web's top film sites, is almost completely inaccessible. I will never understand why this problem is apparently ignored completely by the people that run this site. sk
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Jul 02, 2004 5:01:35 PM CDT
Brando isn't dead, He's living in Texas as a Spider-man imperson
by rolling_stone
Harry has photographic proof.
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Part of it reminded me of the theme for The Penguin from Batman Returns.
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...He's dressing as Spider-Man and going to birthday parties to pay off his massive debt. Do we need more proof than this????
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Somebody beat me to the punch.
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Jul 02, 2004 7:08:52 PM CDT
I just saw Spidey 2 and I loved it or as my 4 year old told me a
by big bad clone
The only thing I might quibble about is all the spots I'm sure that Miller and Gough wrote, like all of Harry's lines. It's like they pulled up lines from their own version of Lex Luthor and feed back to use through Harry Osborne. That and , maybe it's me, but it would have been cool to have seen the good ol megalomanic Doc Ock. BUt hey, what we got was still fan-fucking-tastic. Shit, it even had Bruce Campbell, Ashy Larry and the work of Oscar Wilde in one movie!
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Granted, i can't see his face too well in those shots but jeez, the red curly hair looks just like Harry when he ran crazy through convention halls!
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Jul 02, 2004 7:19:26 PM CDT
I thought SPIDEY 2 was excellent. It's certainly a masterpiece
by frankdrebin
...is that I wish they hadn't made Ock schizo. (Spoiler ahoy!) When he talked to his arms, it was too much like Norman Osborn talking to the mirror. And now that Harry's also talking to mirrors, it looks like we're gonna get a third schizo villain. Anyway, I'm looking forward to Dylan Baker's turn as the Lizard--he's an interesting choice--an unconventional actor. So, has anybody heard if they plan to do anything further plotwise with John Jameson?
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or your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man will eat you!
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or your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man will eat you!
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the elevator scene. Perfect timing as it was sooo unexpected and very funny. That is great movie making. It made Spiderman more human then any hero we have seen and also allowed Sam to poke some fun. There were many more moments like that in the movie that had the same effect but that one is etched in my mind forever. Thanks also to Sam for paying homage to the fans of Evil Dead films by throwing in some awesome camera angles and edits. Great job Sam!! Can't wait to see this again.
Bring on Spiderman 3!
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Jul 02, 2004 8:13:59 PM CDT
Peter Parker's Unmasked and His Secret Is Out. Yes, He's Out of
by roboteer
Well, at least a conservative. Why? His willingness to sacrifice everything he cares most about to defend his community and do his duty. Sounds just like the sacrifices our brave men and women in the military make for us. Guess how most of them vote? Besides duty, responsibility, and self sacrifice, there's another theme here mostly absent from the liberal lexicon ..... self sufficiency. When his whole world is falling around him does he play victim? Does he blame somebody else for his problems? Does he expect someone else to solve them? Hell NO! He puts himself through school, works part time jobs, and does without. You can't get a better poster boy for Judeo-Christian work ethic. Likewise strapped Aunt May gets a part time job and moves to a smaller apartment rather than ask for handouts. Any card carrying Dem would look on this as absolute stupidity, if not insanity. Going on the dole is an entitlement. You deserve to be able to take from others. Why would anyone refuse to take welfare? .........Spidey also doesn't quit fighting the bad guys because he disagrees with NYC Mayor Bloomberg's policies or because he's too busy denouncing him 24/7. Nor does he swing over to Jersey and tell them, "Don't be like NYC. They SUCK!" Instead of a nattering nabob of negativity, instead of trashing everything regardless of the damaging consequences and regardless of not knowing what the hell he's talking about, Spidey just does his job. And we're all the better off for it. He's part of the solution, not part of the problem....... Alas, Spidey still lives in the real world and also has to be endure being labeled a menace and criminal from the very ingrates he's trying to save. (Sound familiar?) The Bugle may be a tabloid, but in terms of being willing to color the truth, promote an agenda, and besmirch others' character, it's not all that different from most liberal big city newspapers. To review, Spidey values effective education (unlike government schools), family values, duty, honor, law and order, responsibility, self sacrifice, self reliance, perseverence, loyalty and feels guilty whenever he lets any of these slide. He even becomes undeniably Christ-like in the movie. All things most liberals thumb their nose at or otherwise diminish. They are all the makings of a good conservative to me and the exact opposite of the shrill divisiveness anti-American filmmakers and the Looney Left stand for. Imagine a liberal hero..... ACLU-MAN!!! Defender of political correctness, breaking terrorists out of prison to commit more murdering mayhem, zapping unborn babies with his deadly power blasts, and destroying jobs left and right with his trusty companion Tort Boy...... But no, it's Spidey who rules now. And that's a good sign that Ragnarok is postponed another day. Aunt May was right, we need such a hero. especially in times like these. Just take a look at what you're rooting for and be thankful there are real Peter Parkers out there. 'Nuff said.
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On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being perfect and 9 representing films like "Star Wars", "Aliens", "Raiders", and "The Matrix", I would rate
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Jul 02, 2004 8:18:50 PM CDT
Peter Parker's Unmasked and His Secret Is Out. Yes, He's Out of
by roboteer
Well, at least a conservative. Why? His willingness to sacrifice everything he cares most about to defend his community and do his duty. Sounds just like the sacrifices our brave men and women in the military make for us. Guess how most of them vote? Besides duty, responsibility, and self sacrifice, there's another theme here mostly absent from the liberal lexicon ..... self
sufficiency. When his whole world is falling around him does he play victim? Does he blame
somebody else for his problems? Does he expect someone else to solve them? Hell NO! He
puts himself through school, works part time jobs, and does without. You can't get a better
poster boy for Judeo-Christian work ethic. Likewise strapped Aunt May gets a part time job
and moves to a smaller apartment rather than ask for handouts. Any card carrying Dem would
look on this as absolute stupidity, if not insanity. Going on the dole is an entitlement. You deserve to be able to take from others. Why would anyone refuse to take welfare? .........Spidey also doesn't quit fighting the bad guys because he disagrees with NYC Mayor Bloomberg's policies or because he's too busy denouncing him 24/7. Nor does he swing over to Jersey and tell them, "Don't be like NYC. They SUCK!" Instead of a nattering nabob of negativity, instead of trashing everything regardless of the damaging consequences and
regardless of not knowing what the hell he's talking about, Spidey just does his job. And we're all the better off for it. He's part of the solution, not part of the problem....... Alas, Spidey still lives in the real world and also has to be endure being labeled a menace and criminal from the very ingrates he's trying to save. (Sound familiar?) The Bugle may be a tabloid, but in terms of being willing to color the truth, promote an agenda, and besmirch others' character, it's not all
that different from most liberal big city newspapers. To review, Spidey values effective
education (unlike government schools), family values, duty, honor, law and order, responsibility, self sacrifice, self reliance, perseverence, loyalty and feels guilty whenever he lets any of these slide. He even becomes undeniably Christ-like in the movie. All things most liberals thumb their nose at or otherwise diminish. They are all the makings of a good conservative to me and the exact opposite of the shrill divisiveness anti-American filmmakers and the Looney Left stand for. Imagine a liberal hero..... ACLU-MAN!!! Defender of political correctness, breaking terrorists out of prison to commit more murdering mayhem, zapping
unborn babies with his deadly power blasts, and destroying jobs left and right with his trusty companion Tort Boy...... But no, it's Spidey who rules now. And that's a good sign that
Ragnarok is postponed another day. Aunt May was right, we need such a hero. especially in
times like these. Just take a look at what you're rooting for. 'Nuff said. -
This got but off from previous post.
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I just saw Spider-man 2 today, and it was SOOOO much better than the first, though I loved the first.
It just seemed to have more story and action packed into what surprised me was only 2 plus hours.
The only thing I didn't like was that broomcloset thing, that went on for a little too long, but the rest of the movie was amazing. I went back and saw it again in the same day (after changing my shirt).
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To whovever waited in line and then left in the middle of this movie, you are a loon. Yeah, Doc Ock's motivation is a little off and yes, the rebuilding of the fusion experiment didn't take very long and yes, dunking in the river is a cheesy ending but still, it was an awesome, excellent movie and I will see it again.
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Can't wait for III !!
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Despite not being quite as bitter as you are after seeing Spidey 2, I can certainly understand your viewpoint. Perhaps some of us go in expecting brilliance (especially with the names and budget attached) but forget that movies like this really have to appeal to the lowest common denominator, ie. people who don't want to be stretched too much by a 'comic book movie'. Personally, I too was disappointed by the fact that the sequel pretty much explored the same territory as the first one. I mean, yes, it's important to establish that Parker finds it hard being Spiderman/a college student/a boyfriend/a photographer all at the same time, and that the reason he does it is because 'great power...' etc. But after that's been done, can't he start having a bit more fun? Maybe get involved in a plot that doesn't involve the most basic motivations of the characters? I thought the actors performed well, but the presence of too many 'big speeches' again frustrated me. Doctor Octopus is billed as the big new villian, but it seemed to me like he only turned up in about 15mins of the overall run-time. The audience I saw it with also loved it, so it looks like we'll just have to face the fact that our dream-version of Spidey just might never make it to the big screen. Maybe we should try to enjoy what's there rather than what isn't there. But then again, the fact that a great Spidey movie could still be made makes this movie seem all the more like a missed opportunity.
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Jul 02, 2004 9:51:57 PM CDT
It was good, but its not the super flick the geeks keep saying i
by docter
I had fun and all but its not anything close to the matrix or raiders. i will say that this movie does have some seriouly funny parts, and some kick ass action sceenes. Doc Ock was much better looking then the goblin and the fights with him are top notch. but some stuff does not sit well with me. First Spider man still isn't the smart ass he was in the comic book. he had one good quib, "heres your change" was good but more is needed. and second the emoitional stuff was over the top. C'mon, people carrying him like he is jesus chirst that was too much. And the slow mo walk music video shit in the middle because he has weight off his shoulders, that was lame. Other then that though very fun. definitly worth seeing it in the movie theater.
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...touch down, or as the great Danny Gallivan used to say during Hockey Night in Canada telecasts "He scoresssssssss!!!".
Spidey 2 pleased myself, my cynical buddy and our two non-comic book wives. It has something for everybody, great story-telling, more than adequate pacing and most importantly... very, very involving performances from the hero and the villain. Top notch. Nuff said. -
Jul 02, 2004 10:20:06 PM CDT
I haven't seen this movie..but I do know one thing...Batman suck
by llac3
Batman....5/5??? That movie sucks ass. You don`t know shit about comic books, man...and neither does Tim Burton for that matter.
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Seen that advertisement with Spidey carrying MJ and with his hand in that familiar "Ditko fingers" position: index & pinky extended, middle & ring fingers pressed to the palm. He's firing his webshooters, right?? WRONG!! Movie Spidey has organic webbing - he doesn't have webshooters. ---- oops! -------
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The earlier post was correct. I have inside information that Spider-man 2 was originally scripted to show that Spider-man is a Republican but key scenes were cut by the LOooney Liberals who produced it. First, when Parker is bit by the spider and gains his powers, what he says is that with great power comes great riches. He solves crimes, but he charges people 10 grand a head. When an old lady bounces a check, spidey lets her die and then sues her estate. He gets a lein on her house and it turns out to be in a key location; he flips it for a quick profit of five mil. Spidey then uses inside info about the O Corp (he knew Osborn was dead before the press did) and buys Oscorp short. Makes a friggin fortune. Takes over Oscorp and shreds all documents proving that he was involved in Norman Osborn's death. Then he cuts a deal to supply Oscorp military hardware and the country has to take on massive debt to pay fo rit. But Spidey makes sure he doesn't have to pay any taxes, because he has webbed up the liberals in Congress who tried to repeal the Bush rax cuts. Spidey conitnues paying no taxes on his billions' worth of dividend income, even as middle-income families struggle to pay their share and give up on sending their kids to school... Spidey calls them whiners and says from now on he's not saving anyone who doesn't say they support the President... (to be continued)
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Harry, is that a DVD collection of the 67 Spidey cartoons? Can you PLEASE tell me (and possibly others who may be interested) how we can get ahold of these classic cartoons? I've been searching for them for years. Yes, I know that there are dupes sold at conventions, but the picture quality is less than ideal.
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I saw Spiderman 2 yesterday and I had a few nitpicks here and their but I loved this movie. As for Foot's criticisms of the movie's plot I would like to address a couple of them. First off as to how Doc Ock was able to build the machine so quick dont forget he had nothing left but his work (He lost his wife, his repuatation, he probably worked on that machine 24/7 and he did have a few extra "hands" to help him out) As for Doc Ock sinking the Fusion machine I will agree with that one I was kind of hoping he would go down a bit more explosively. What I liked about this film was the great story, wonderful characters (JK Simmons almost steals the show yet again.) and the almost perfect SPFX (Only 2 effects took me out of the movie, Peter holding a building up by himself and those useless helicopters at the end.) As for the villian, while Doc Ock was very cool I actually prefer the Goblin, I thought his character was much better developed than the Doc and while Alfred Molina did a great job with Doc Ock, Willem Dafoe is just the better actor. As for the next film if Sam does it just right the plot will revolve around Peter and MJ trying to get along in that always difficult actress-superhero relationship and of course will have Harry face his biggest dilemma: Kill his best friend or move on with his life. As for him turning into the Goblin I would be very surprised if that happens, dont forget it wasnt just the suit that made Norman Osborne the Goblin it was also the botched experiment. I wouldnt be surprised though if he did wind up using the same kind of weaponry.
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I went to the midnight screening on Tuesday with a sold-out crowd and I had a great time. Doc Ock was an awesome villain (loved those tentacles and trenchcoat), never going over-the-top with his performance and adding just the right amount menace to his character to make him a formidable enemy. Tobey did a terrific job too and I can't imagine anyone else playing the role now. The way the big reveal happens at the end was beautifully done. I also loved the humor in this and the way Sam Raimi's wicked sensibilities came alive on screen during the O.R. sequence. One of the greatest sequels ever made!
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I couldn't think of an adequate response to that smug fuckwit.
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I keep waiting for Spider-Man to come out with some one-liners like in the comics. Jesus Christ, this guy is more somber than Batman.
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Dude you must own a Spock outfit and maybe a Han Solo costume too? Come on tell the truth.
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Thank God there werent any pimple faced geeks dressed up as Spider-Man when I saw the movie Wednesday night.
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God, they really do grow up fast. It seems like just yesterday he was ogling Jennifer Connelly in that "Hulk" trailer. It's been 3 days since i've seen Spiderman 2, and I have to say it really is fantastic. The proper title of this movie is "The Amazing Spiderman". There isn't a false note in the movie. It's so wonderfully endearing. One of the best scenes in the movie is Aunt May's talk with Peter as she's packing things. There are a lot of things that were really well done, but i'm not mentioning any of it because it might ruin it for someone. Just go see it. If you think it's a terrible movie then you've probably never been happy a day in your life. By the way, does anyone know how to change your e-mail address for your name? I had to abandon my old one awhile ago.
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Jul 03, 2004 1:26:07 AM CDT
To those that said this is not their ideal version of Spider-Man
by dark knight lite
You're right. This is the spirit of LEE, DITKO and ROMITA brought to life. You can quibble about some of the changes from the comic to the screen, but this is the most faithful cinematic adaptation of a comic book yet seen. "Spider-Man" is about Peter Parker just as much as his alter ego, and the conversations and dramatic beats between characters are a necessary part of staying true to the source. Take a look at ASM 1-50 (1962-67) and tell me Raimi and Co. did not get it right. Hey, I bought those comics off the racks (or at least my Dad did for me) 40 years ago, and this movie brought those thrills back for me in a big way. I lost interest in Spidey in the 90's when many of the talkbackers here were probably getting interested, so I can see how this film is not "their vision" of the character. Well sorry kids, but this movie does not come with multiple holographic covers, maximum clones, or the horrendous draftsmanship of Todd MacFarlane. Once again, this is Stan's Spidey, warts and all. And that's good enough for this college professor who still loves the modern mythology of the comics. Now if Nolan can get Batman right, I'll really be happy.
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The guy is a huge Spider-Man fan. Collected the comics as a kid.
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Damn Harry that is by far the lamest fucking Spider-Man I've ever seen. Looks like some hobo was hired off the street and paid $20 and a six pack to dress up like Spidey. And where the hell are the costume parts for hsi HANDS??? Good grief, a bare handed Spidey? Next time spend some damn money and at least hire someone who's in some kind of decent physical shape. BTW, sae Spider-Man 2 and loved it. It kicked 18 levels of ass.
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I felt everything that Peter felt, the scenes that were supposed to be funny were funny, sad were sad, painful were painful, exhilarating likewise. Continuing the saga of one boy's journey into adulthood (both external and internal) with thematic richness and actually managing to make his villain more interesting than his four-color version in the process, Raimi, Maguire, Molina, Sargent, Millar & Gough, Chabon, Dunst, Dykstra and everybody else involved should be immensely proud of what they pulled off in just two years. THAT being said....I really felt they dropped the ball in handling Harry Osborne's character. Perhaps I don't get it, and feel free to tell me so with righteous fury, this being a talkback after all, but it doesn't work for me. I can understand his arc, all the way up to and through the unmasking of Spider-Man. I think that perhaps Peter would have been better off explaining to him then and there what the circumstances were during his father's "murder," but fine, Peter has to find Octavius ASAP in case he begins his fusion experiment right away. I'll buy it. However...after he saves the city, makes sure MJ and John are safely reunited, and leaves the scene of the crime, shouldn't he have returned to the Osborne Manor (speaking of which, there's something wonderfully creepy about the fact that Harry now inhabits the home of his dead father) and explained THEN, at least, what the deal was? Harry's clearly unstable and emotionally distraught. What's the excuse? Peter forgot? He was too worked-up over casting MJ out of his life forever, so he just went home and fell asleep? He was so worn out from the fight that he didn't have time for 'idle' chit-chat unless it involved Mary Jane? He figured that it would be better to never speak to Harry again and hope that he doesn't hire anymore mercenaries? In reality, it was just that everyone behind the scenes is keen on ushering Harry into the goblin glider, logic be damned (a poor excuse if you ask me, especially coming from a movie that's "emotionally truthful"). You can pick or choose any one of the former options, but they don't ring true. This is one of those instances in fiction where the means to an end are incidental; I'd rather they contrived something, ANYthing to explain their lack of communication. Hell, a lame set-up shot of Peter standing on the balcony after Harry disappeared through the looking glass would have done more for me than ignoring the matter altogether. That Harry remained in New York after the fact and the responsible Peter didn't even check-up on him seems like a downright oversight. Hopefully, if and when they bang out the script for 'Spidey 3,' they'll be able to amend that problem. Otherwise, there were minor quibbles: the speech with Norman seemed rushed, maybe, I thought it would have been cool if they mirrored the beginning Alex Ross painting of Pete standing over Ben's grave with Harry standing over his dad's grave. I was pretty insulted with the way they verbalized Harry's motivations for obsessing over Spider-Man right after the fusion accident ("Now I have nothing left but Spider-Man"). Although I know it's possible for people to be aware of such things going on within themselves, it didn't seem like something Harry'd actually say out loud, considering it would require him to actually blame himself for his problems which, as we know from his hunt for Spider-Man and his rejection of Peter (in the terrific scene at the astronaut's ball where he bitch-slaps poor Pete), is not something he's wont to do. I know most people might dismiss this as a minor problem, but it was annoying and I would have preferred if they didn't betray their characters that way. Again, I don't want to sell this movie short, but I feel like airing out my problems alleviates some of my misgivings, even if it's hopeless to expect anything to come of it. But 'Spider-Man 2' is more than worth your money, and it's probably MARVEL's best movie to date. All rumors of Tobey's behavior aside, he is Peter Parker and if you're a Raimi fan, you'll love this film; it's got his bloody fingerprints all over the place. So if you haven't seen it and you're actually reading this thing: go. Now. You won't regret it.
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Jul 03, 2004 2:05:37 AM CDT
Super flick ... and close to greatness. -- It seems a number o
by jdanielp
I really loved the movie ... and look forward to seeing it again at the theatre. -- When I was a kid, I remember the difficulty of chosing my favorite superhero; Spider-man or Batman. And I finally came to conclusion that I was enjoying the (then current) Spider-man comic books more ... though it was the Batman character that I truely liked the best. It's funny that it mirrors the way I feel today, since seeing "SPIDER-MAN 2". -- I enjoy the Spider-man movies more ... but it's the Batman character that I like the best. So ... in comic book terms ... I'm hopeful that Warner Bros. has found their Neal Adams/Marshall Rogers/Frank Miller talent in director Christopher Nolan. (Hey, Warner Bros. -- I'm an artist and visionary. How about giving me a shot? ... Oh, that's right. Such dreams don't happen to visionary nerdy people who grow up on comic books. If you don't believe me, just ask Peter Parker.)
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"And it seems that wether or not MJ *knows* who Peter is, she is still getting kidnapped. lol. His excuse for not being with her just doesn't hold any weight when her life is still always in danger." That's a good point.
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The way I choose to look at it is this: his sentient tentacles (the matter of their sentience is too hairy to get into) wanted to perpetuate their existence, and the safest way to do that was to persuade Octavius that he still needed them to complete his experiment with fusion, which, of course, the arms were built for in the first place.
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Jul 03, 2004 2:59:36 AM CDT
I must be the only person on the planet who thought Spiderman wa
by theginger twit
See Shrek 2 if you want an example of a film with a great script and great flow. Spidey 2 was just all over the place - it was very annoying.
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Jul 03, 2004 3:58:33 AM CDT
"Emil Minty" is a useless prick who never should have been given
by gunnarcannibal
It is pretty pathetic when one has to brag that they walked out of a great movie because they are too much of a holier than thou arrogant and useless snob to appreciate something as pure and perfect as SPIDER-MAN 2. I will never understand why an asshole would see this movie.
Let me just say something to all of the assholes:
If you know you're an asshole, stay away from SPIDER-MAN 2, this movie is for people who are not fueled by cynicism and still have a heart. We need more Spider-Man 2 in this world and less assholes like "Emil Minty". -
There is a rule in life, any retard who believes that Shrek 2 was either funny or good is not allowed to have an opinion for they openly admit to being a fan of completely useless and tired bullshit.
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and thought it was shallow and lacking in depth...played to the lowest common denominator, dumbed down for the masses...have you dolts forgot it was based of a comic book for Christ's sake? A little picture book with word bubbles? Books for little kids? Jesus, it's not like the freeking movie was spawned by the greatest literary work of the 20th Century like LOTR or something. For a movie based on a picture book with a little dialog, its pretty damn good. Quit looking for profound depth and life altering epiphany out of source material that never was ment to deliver that kind of impact.
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i thought S2 was terrible, but it is based off a comic book. Comic book characters are often very much unreal, sappy, ridiculously portrayed and uni-dimensional. just like the S2 movie. So in that case, this is the best comic book movie ever. For those who like childish plots, lame dialogue, huge plot holes (why Doc Ock robbed the bank? why MJ and Peter Parker couldn't solve their problems more intelligently...and faster? Why the fusion machine just sunk to the bottom of the ocean? Why Harry Osborne actually cares about killing Spidey... after all, he was never really close to his father to begin with?), illogical pacing, and most of all, a DUMBED DOWN FOR THE MTV TEEN AWARDS CROWD flick. Oh well, there's X3 and Blade 3 to look forward too. If they suck, i'm DONE with comic book movies, because S2 was terribly lame and way OVERHYPED.
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you should never be allowed to give an opinion on movies. Shrek 2 had some of the best scriptwriting i've seen this year. The jokes were not only funny, but well timed. The love story between Fiona and Shrek was not lame. Yes it was cartoony but this is a fairytale. That is expected! Even Fiona and Shrek's relationship was way more mature than the retarded puppy love/high school bullshit between MJ and Peter Parker. After all, sometimes "You gotta get on before you get off". haha. when i heard that in S2, i f**king lost it.
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Jul 03, 2004 6:28:19 AM CDT
funny enough, i'll probably enjoy Catwoman much more than Spider
by sirbiatchreturns
People on this site are groupies. there are some intelligent people here on AICN but there are too many groupies. Spiderman 2 was a shitfest ladies and gentlemen. An overhype that just simply didn't deliver. I remember when people were ripping Matrix 2 apart. But at least it had TONS of action, decent dialogue and an amazing unravelling plot and final revelation [between Neo and Architect]. Spiderman 2 had none of these, yet many of you are dickriding.
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Because they were so overbudget they needed someone to work for peanuts. So they called a bunch of those hacks from VH1 shows, and it turns out Hal agreed to work for the least amount of money. Who cares if the guy is a friggin Spider-Man fan since birth?! I'm sure there are bigger name stars that are fans that they could have gotten for a cameo. And the reason CardinalHog suggested that reason, is because HE IS Hal Sparks, because NO ONE gives a rats ass about the guy other than himself. So that's how he knew the answer. Quit acting Hal. You realy suck.
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the argument that Spiderman 2 needed more action is the weakest of all arguments. It's almost as bad as those morons who saw the passion not believing in jesus christ and then saying the movie was not "believable"
Do some fucken research, some of the best action movies hardly had any action. The Matrix, X-2.
movies that had few fights in between. Maybe your the type that likes dumb down Van helsing action. Or maybe dumb downed Bad Boys 2 action.
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Really, Roboteer? You sound like a heartless little turd of a human.
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Spidey 1 and 2 play minus the few tweaks and changes plays out like a live version of the Lee/Ditko/Romita era of the comics. Peter WAS constantly getting shit on back then by everyone and everything. I'm too young to really remember that era except via trades/back issues. I jumped on right as McFarlane was leaving and Larsen was taking over. Lee's stories were the most simple, and the ones the greatest number of people could relate to. I don't wanna see MJ turn into a soap star, I don't want the cosmic powers, and I don't want fucking Venom...who is cool only as a visual. Gimme Sandman, Electro, and the Scorpion first...then maybe some Hobgoblin. Don't bring Venom in on this shit until long after Raimi has left the series and it's been run into the ground.
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Do the kids poke him in the stomach Pop n Fresh style?
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Anybody here who says that it's okay if the film wasn't smarter because it is based on a comic book, should go and read pretty much anything by Alan Moore or Neil Gaiman. Then you'll see how freaking smart a comic book can be, and what a remarkable film a super-hero movie could be. There were so many things about the story of that film that didn't even make sense, but I won't list them here, others have done a pretty good job already. When are we going to stop accepting being served unintelligent, uncreative stories and films (and paying for it!!) and start demanding something more challenging, something that makes you think, even just a little bit? And don't tell me : "When I see a movie I don't wanna think." You should always think. All the time. If people thought more about things, instead of just absorbing useless junk, maybe, just maybe the world wouldn't be in such a sorry mess, and maybe your country (the US) wouldn't be in the hands of a moronic dictator wanna-be. You think I'm exagerating? Well, instead of seeing Spiderman 2 for the 2nd, 3rd or 4th time, why don't you go see Farenheit 9/11, and learn about something really important for a change. Even if you don't agree with the film, at least you'll be giving your neurons a good workout, instead of stuffing them with the film equivalent of a Big Mac.
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I'm surprised he even came out from his dark basement to go see the movie. Rorschach, anyone?
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the term "Looney Left" is really unimaginative, and not at all funny. It makes you sound even more pathetic than you are already coming across.
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Ummm let
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Harry goes to great lengths to say what a great birthday party this Spidey guy put on for a FOUR YEAR OLD, and you make fat jokes? Give me a chubby Spider-Man who can make a 4-year old's day anytime over a chubby talkbacker with the mentality of a 4-year old. Give the guy a break. And for the guy who thought he was pointing out a "Poster Goof," the first film established that the classic hand position is still ideal for shooting the webs. Nyah, nyah, nyah.
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I can't believe no one mentioned the total raiminess of the hospital scene. The people screaming and the tracking shots looked straight out of Evil Dead, and let's not forget the chainsaw! There are no chainsaws in operating rooms! Great little homage.
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I'm not the type that likes dumbed down action. a movie with tons of action that doesn't make sense. That is just my whole thing - a movie has to make f**king sense. Spiderman2 had WAY too many plot holes and illogical points for me to ignore. maybe you and other idiots were caught up in the crappy and corny drama but i'm not fooled. For God's sake learn more about movies. you know SHIT about movies. i appreciate drama WAY more than you do. I absolutely LOVED movies like "Eternal Sunshine", "Big Fish", "Last Samurai", "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon", "Hero".... By your dumbass argument, i shouldn't like any of these movies, especially the Last Samurai. The last samurai did not have that much action. It had enough and it had amazing dialogue and drama scenes. Same as CTHD or Hero. The characters were well developed and constantly "in motion" as individuals, just like REAL PEOPLE ARE. in f**king S2, the characters all stayed the same up until the last minute, when they suddenly change to get the plot moving. Also, i'm not easily moved like you movie rejects. Corny "Do you love me.... kiss me", "When i'm with you, i feel like I'm on the moon. Are you there with me?", "Sometimes you gotta get on before you get off" and "go get them tiger" bullshit dialogue like this belongs on MTV, Nickalodeon or some pre-teen soap opera. Get a real fucking opinion idiot! Try to expand your mind and actually THINK when you're watching a movie.
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Jul 03, 2004 3:55:04 PM CDT
I find it hard to believe that you're so above Spiderman 2 when
by 007-11
He needed money to buy the parts to rebuild the machine. How do I know? BECAUSE HE SAID SO. Why did he bother to rebuild the machine when it didn't work the first time? Because he came to the conclusion that his calculations were correct thanks to the influence of the arms. How do I know this? BECAUSE HE SAID SO!!! All of these things were revealed in the same damn monologue. DO NOT BLAME A MOVIE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE BLADDER OF AN INFANT.
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You are a fucking idiot. Finally a movie focusses on story and character and your numb ass bitches that not enough shit blew up. Go see "Van Helsing" again, it's as good as you morons deserve. Grow up.
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They've divided their visitors thanks to their rabid political postering. I mean, just look at this talkback. Can't some of you attempt to restrain yourselves?
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Jul 03, 2004 5:31:05 PM CDT
this movie ruled, but organic webshooters still suck!
by yeah i'm a jerk!
i absolutely loved this movie. i only had a few quibbles with it, mainly how doc ock knew how to find peter and mary jane at the coffee shop? there should have been a scene with doc ock following peter to the coffee shop, or harry calling mj on her cell phone and asking her if she knew where peter was, and then harry calling doc ock to tell him. any way i loved this movie and it set the bar so high for comic book movies that it's gonna be hard for studios to give us stuff like daredevil, or hulk and have any success. i will tell you this much the fantastic four better be as good as this stuff, or it will be the biggest bomb ever. ditko,lee and romita should be proud. and i really hope that the sequels will hold up. i dont like venom and i hope that they save him for the desperate times in the next decade when tobey maguire, and sam raimi are long gone from the series.
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See, this is why I get wary whenever political arguments come up. The popularity of 'Spider-Man 2' is proof that the United States' foreign policy sucks? Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. Thanks also for assuming that everyone here that enjoyed 'Spidey 2' was stupid, we've all yet to see 'Fahrenheit 9/11,' 'Spidey 2' itself was stupid, that, once again, we ELECTED Bush, and that we all eat Big Macs and avoid "smart" movies like the plague. Do us a favor, and spare us the condescension, especially considering half of what you said is made up.
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JoJo, you're exactly right. I'm amazed to see Talkbacker ignorantly proclaim such things as, "Of course it's a dumb movie - it's based on a comic book!" Not only should they read the works of Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman...but if they want to see just how intelligently written Spider-Man himself can be, look no further than Ultimate Spider-Man, written by Brian Michael Bendis. Then tell me that comic books are dumb, lack heart, and are simply written for the masses.
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Jul 03, 2004 7:01:36 PM CDT
SirBiatch says for the last time... (hi ebonic plague)
by sirbiatchreturns
read what we have all said. S2 is lame as fuck. And ebonic plague, u are the uni-dimensional retard for liking this pop MTV trash. any human with dimension will not like this movie at all. it was stale. get off S2's dick. If you think S2 was the definition of a good romance/character development, you'll absolutely LOVE Santa Barbara, the Bold and the Beautiful and probably every show on the Lifetime Network. I would have never guessed that brothas would buy into this sappy shit. do u like Friends too? did u cry and clap when Rachel and Ross finally got together? I'm not going to respond to bitches. this is my last post unless someone says something worth hearing or can come up with an ACTUAL defense of why i should believe the hype behind S2.
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Jul 03, 2004 7:03:18 PM CDT
"SPIDER-MAN 2" gets about "4 and 3/4 popcorn buckets" out of
by jdanielp
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I wouldn't mind seeing a Spider-Man arc where he runs for office. Parker, from time to time goes looking for jobs. He's a high school teacher now, right? We know he can't play sports since it'd be unfair and he might hurt someone. He can't be a cop since he'd be bound by law. He can't do anything when he had a real tight schedule. Bt I'd like to see him juggle working a elected position and being Spider-Man. Ya know, for a issue or two or in Nu Marvel time, two years.
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Jul 03, 2004 9:28:44 PM CDT
This appears to have more to do with Pedazo Chunk than SPIDER-MA
by mosquito march
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I liked this movie a lot, my only major gripe is the scene where Spiderman is being carried by the New Yorkers in the train. It kinda gave this Christ-like or idol-worshipping or American Idol thing for Spiderman, and I don't think it gelled. Spiderman is supposed to be an average Joe guy. Instead of being carried like that, they should've carried him with their arms, like normal people would've, much lower. We still would've gotten the idea that here are the citizens who love their protector. Just .. without the worshipping look.
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the first was almost as bad as FF
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Did you expect spiderman 2 to be a literary masterpiece? its based on a comic book. Blame your own anal ass for going into this movie expecting Big Fish/Hero style Drama you dumb shit. Blame your own ass for being too fucken tight to enjoy a good fun flick.
Like I Said before, people like you remind me of the people who bitched about the passion, but didn't even believe in jesus.
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Jul 04, 2004 1:50:02 AM CDT
Why didn't Peter just take out an ad in the Bugle telling EVERYO
by fats
I liked Spider-Man 2........just liked it. I'm one of those nerds that grew up reading Spider-Man, etc., etc. But this movie kind of bugged me a little bit. Everyone seems to be shitting their pants over this film and I don't really understand where the hysteria is coming from. I guess my main gripe is that Peter Parker revealed his identity to like......um......let me see.......EVERYONE!!!!! What's the fucking point of having a secret identity if everyone fucking knows who you are?!! They should scrap the Spider-Man title from now on and call it "Peter Parker". The great thing I always dug about Spider-Man is that he was shit on as Peter Parker and nobody ever knew he was Spider-Man. I know, I know......recently in the comics Mary Jane knows who he is......and Aunt May....and whomever. I didn't have a problem with the people on the subway seeing Peter Parker. I had a problem with Harry finding out.......and then he takes his fucking mask off for Doc Ock and Mary Jane to see! Gimme a break!! Even Aunt May was hinting she knew his identity during her "the world needs heroes" speech!! And the whole psychological "I lost my powers because I don't believe in what I'm doing" premise was a little shakey. Either you have powers from the spider bite or you don't. What was that all about? Can someone explain it to me better that Raimi did?
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years from now, people will look back and think ... geee...kirsten dunst's MJ was what margot kidder's lois lane to superman movies. i mean, if you look back at superman movies you can't help but thinking that margot kidder was ugly!! and she looked older than clark kent. then you wish if only they'd cast another actress ... same goes with kirsten dunst
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as much as i love this sequel, it didn't come as great as you fanboys claimed to be ... give it a few months from now, and you'll see what i mean. same thing goes with the first spider-man, it was just a mediocre superhero movie, not that great ...
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Jul 04, 2004 4:37:49 AM CDT
it is interesting that nobody has justified their liking of S2
by sirbiatchreturns
i guess you choose to be blissfully ignorant. People like me and IndustryKiller have given you SO many reasons why S2 was a shit patchwork between a few good scenes and mostly crap ones. I guess if you started to actually think just a little about it, your heads would start to hurt. Oh no... brain overload. So you guys are ready to suspend belief to the point were there is nothing to be suspended. I don't mind taking some things 'as they come' but there were TOO many retarded things in this movie to ignore. I'm all for relaxing your mind/logic when you watch a movie but don't let it SLEEP and die on you. SirBiatch Out.
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Jul 04, 2004 7:42:23 AM CDT
Advanced military weapons which will save more american lives an
by theginger twit
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Mary jane ugly... another stupid gripe from a stupid movie goer. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. IF you have a girlfriend or boyfriend a lot of people may feel they are ugly, but to you she or he is beautiful and nobody can tell you different.
superficial fuck head.
then sir biatch continues to annoy me with his quest for a comic book movie that is "believable". He is insulted that he has to suspend belief about a man who has spider powers. What an anal ass, A fool who spent 10 bucks on a movie and cant get over it. A dull bitter man who im sure, his tight bitchiness extends far into his personal life and is the type of asshole you see in the streets of new york griping and bitching.
wether he be on a line and bitches that there should be more cashiers to service him .
Or if hes in a restaurant and they didnt bring him enough coffee refills.
it's sad. If the only movies you LIKE or dramatic, yawn fests, then WHY did you go see a dumbed down comic book film? what exactly were you expecting?
or better yet, do you think you could do better?
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I saw it up yesterday but could not get in and today it is no where to be found?
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Jul 04, 2004 11:45:54 AM CDT
now that Rcamacho2278 has gotten that out of his system...
by sirbiatchreturns
you can now move on to actually stating facts. I don't even know why you are picking on me for a rant retard. i'm not the only one who thought Spiderman 2 was laughable bad. read the talkbacker at the top. everyone i know who has seen it thought it was pretty stupid, or slept through it so they couldn't tell. These people, mind u, are all somewhat educated. so if u want to let your mind rot watching pop teen trash and feel like you're down with the hype, by all means continue. but don't blame me cuz S2 is shit. its the execs who made this crap and retards like you who eat this garbage up.
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why the fuck did Doc Ock throw the car anyways? He doesn't know that Peter Parker is Spiderman. and only spider reflexes could have dodged that. so what would have happened (if Peter Parker had no powers and was just a friend of Spidey like Doc Ock assumed) would have been the killing of Peter Parker. then what?!?! where would he find Spiderman like he was asked? or was he counting on a human being being able to dodge a car from behind/survive a car being thrown at them!??! PEOPLE... DO U REALIZE HOW FUCKING RETARDED SPIDERMAN 2 IS? JESUS.... I'M F**KING DONE.
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Jul 04, 2004 11:55:52 AM CDT
Rcamacho2278 is ranting about "believability" like a retard...
by sirbiatchreturns
Of course i know it is fiction. But even fiction must make fucking sense. If you set up the premise for a movie/story (i.e. regular dude gets bitten by spider, gets powers), the things he does must reflect that premise. i.e. shooting webs, being a regular dude. You couldnt have him suddenly turn into a tiger. It would not make any FUCKING sense. and that is my point - S2 did not make any fucking sense. Suspension of belief is one thing, but a lazy nonsensical illogical story is a different thing entirely. Get a clue retard.
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Just a quick follow-up to my previous post - I picked up my copy at Best Buy yesterday and they're glorious! Absolutely beautiful restoration work! It's sets like this that make DVD worthwhile. Too bad for all the comic convention guys who for years have made a cottage industry of selling crappy dupes of these cartoons. Now if only I can find dvd's of Space Giants, the other show I watched religiously as a kid, my life will be totally fulfilled. That's right - education, career, wife, children, Spiderman, Space Giants. What more can a man ask for?
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How completely typical of AICN talkbacks - Spiderman 2 wows the critics who usually turn their noses up at superhero films and summer fluff in general (150/159 fresh reviews on rottentomatoes.com), and yet count on the talkbacks to be bursting at the seams with bitter, misanthropic fanboys tearing into the film with angry gusto. LOL!
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After seeing Ferenheit 9/11 I needed some mind candy. Spidey 2 was just the ticket.
Apparently being Republican and/or a freaky little geek-boy are a large segment of the talk back community.
Roboteer and Scorpius are freakin morons.
If you like Bush, you also are for Saudi Kings and Princes who PAID for 9/11. You are for oil rich mother-f***rs like the Kuwaiti Royal family and other Kuwaiti super rich whose children danced in clubs in Paris while AMERICAN BOYS/GIRLS F*****G DIED IN THE MIDDLE EAST YOU STUPID F*****G PIECE OF S**T!
Eat a f*****g bullet you brain-dead assholes.
Ahh I feel better, Anyways Spidey 2 was just fine. Suspend disbelief ya freaks. Did ya like the LOTR films?
If ya did ya can't gripe about CGI or just about anything in this flick.
Bye Bye
F**K the NRA
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Since when has laughter from idiotic teenagers who haven't yet figured out that daily showers and application of deodorant been a reliable barometer of a film's quality. Fuck teenagers. Fuck teenagers and their MTV and TRL and Brittney and Justin and whoever else the tween set is getting moist over this week. The world would be better off without them.
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Jul 04, 2004 12:50:49 PM CDT
umm... Flashlight boy...and at least 10 retarded things about Sp
by sirbiatchreturns
you seem to be a grown ass man. so i'll say something to you: never post again unless u have something intelligent to say. i don't give a fuck what reviews are saying. hell, with the budget that S2 has, i'm sure all those reviews were bought. since when have critics been respected? critics are not respected because they barely review a movie for a movie. they fluctuate like no tomorrow depending on personal interest. regardless of whatever dickriding you want to do, u KNOW deep down that u let your mind fall totally asleep. because u can't deny that the movie did not make any sense.
1. little girl pulling up Peter Parker
2. Doc Ock flinging a car at Peter
3. Peter allowing himself to be unmasked by Harry when he could have broken free of those little plastic things wrapped around him --- by the way, why was Spiderman able to break them so easily? wouldn't Doc Ock use some stronger material?
4. Doc Ock deciding to do good after Spiderman makes one LAME speech about 'doing good' and 'giving up dreams'. so now the villain williningly drowns himself. aint that a bitch?!
5. A giant fusion sun in the palm of my hand bullshit sinks in the river. that was the final conclusion?!?! who came up with that? a 5 year old?
6. Why does Aunt May not know about Spiderman's identity, yet people who are more likely to fuck over Spiderman know who he is?
7. In the train sequence, why did Spiderman remove his mask in the first place? i assume he did it to see correctly or some shit. but then, after he 'woke up' from the gladiator like carrying, he put the mask back on. wtf?
8. Why are the robotic arms sentient? After all, Doc Ock specifically says that he will be controlling them. That is like building a sentient phone. what is the need??? u're the one who's going to make the conversations and control it. why spend the time to make it think for itself?
9. So what was the reasoning behind him loosing his powers? because he wasn't feeling Spiderman as much? that is retarded. and why would he take the risk of swinging around if he knew there was a chance he could fall down and die? why doesn't he take the first opportunity to figure out what is wrong with him?
10. Why does Doc Ock rob a bank in the first place? so that he can go BUY parts?! wtf?!?! What does he do - show up in a firm with those monstrous tentacles and starts talking all polite and shit - 'can i please have 1 engine please for 220.86?' does that make sense when he was ready to kill anyone in his way? 11... this is bonus ---> why couldnt the police find Doc Ock the crackhead? he creates an earthquake everytime he walks. he is very easy to spot. and its even easier to detect a GIANT FUSION machine being built on water. A MOVIE THAT HAS THIS MANY GAPS IN LOGIC IS SIMPLY BAD. END OF STORY. GET A CLUE. -
And they totally ruined the character of Doc Ock. Now he's a puppet being manipulated by the a.i. of his tentacles? Sheesh.
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The film was well made, much better than the first. It's nice to see that Raimi doesn't shy away from the quiet moments. Very well done.
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I love how Republicans like to say that the liberals are the "tax and spend" party. However, it seems to me that the idiotic Republican regimes are the ones that continuously ring up INCREDIBLY HUGE TRADE DEFICITS, which then must be solved by responsible Democratic leadership once the fucking Republicans have stolen the money and run. It'll be the same after Dumbya Bush is ousted. Kerry and Co. will have to clean up another Republican mess with regard to the economy, environment AND civil rights. Oh well, I only have to wait until November...
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Along with his sidekick "Socialist-Boy" he uses his powers to prevent the mass murder of war by enabling the mass murder of tyrants and dictators in third world countries everywhere!
Anyway, right on, Roboteer! Spider-Man is a "conservative" (maybe not a "Republican" for exactly the reasons you describe. If he were liberal, he'd be more concerned with finding the "root causes" of his villains' anger (inevitably blaming himself and other super-heroes) rather than stopping them.
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Jul 04, 2004 2:31:16 PM CDT
Some friendly contention for Sir Biatch's list of ten points
by leslie spaight
1. The little girl
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that is what i have been asking people to do. so far you are the ONLY person to actually think and give some good explanations. I don't agree with some of what you said but i respect your right to have that opinion. at least you have your opinion. not like most of the talkbackers in here who will just settle for whatever is hype. i'm still a bit peeved at some of their explanations, particularly the ending ---> (Doc Ock's death, MJ, Harry the new Green Goblin), which left me with a bad taste. And wouldn't it have made much more sense to follow Doc Ock (pretend you're all captured and then go after him) rather than complicate matters (and risk death) by revealing yourself to be Spidey to Harry? and what was with the lame tuna speeches with MJ? whenever Kirsten Dunst was on screen i felt tired and bored. and i know that the aunt knows ---> that is how it was in the comics. i'm sure she'll die a sappy death in Spiderman 3 and reveal how she 'always knew', and for some strange reason, doesn't seem to be bothered that Spidey never told her upfront, but revealed his identity to a girl and a villain. There is a cardinal rule against that--- FAM before HOES.
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Jul 04, 2004 2:45:39 PM CDT
I think many missed the whole idea of Ock's tentacles being "sen
by alchemist
People seem to think that he was being coerced by AI tentacles that had plans different then his own.... But when he's describing the control chip to the reporters, he says something about the chip only allowing access to his "higher brain" or something. This clearly means that when the chip was destroyed, his tenacles were acting on his base impulses. For a very destraught and ruined windower, his base impulses were that he was right and his project should have worked, etc. and his tentacles were happy to oblige. They were computer controlled, but that did not mean they had "intentions of their own" or something. Just that they were more likely to indulge what Ock REALLY wanted rather than what he as an intelligent man would have wanted... Anyway, loved the film. Haters are jaded, etc.
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A bunch of people seem to really like my Wonder Woman treatment. Aquaman has a cameo. He's a hard core vegan in my treatment... a guy with a bunch of quirks. When people find out he's a vegan, the common response is... oh.. so you just fish or something? Being a lover of the sea, this usually gets Aquaman quite upset. I wrote it with Owen Wilson in mind... with LAUREN GRAHAM as the lead. It's got a great moment where she is trying to find someone to repair her invisible jet. Yes, I am Adam Hackbarth. Screenwriting is my game. Woman Woman is my girl. You'll also appreciate the two villians. It takes place in Bizarro World... where Bizarro Superman battles it out with Wonder Woman and Aquaman... and in the end, Zan (think an annoying Freddie Prinz Jr-type) turns out to be the mastermind. Bizarro World could be done in a studio with amazing CG to create a very surreal and Tim Burtonesque type surroundings. With Aquaman and Wonder Woman together, the audience would get a chance to see two heroes that probably won't get their own feature... but paired together in a low cost and sensational looking Bizarro World, all is good. Very good. ahackbarth@sbcglobal.net
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Jul 04, 2004 5:10:46 PM CDT
anyone who writes a list of faults for a movie called spider-man
by slappy jones
like 1) WHY DID DOC OCK GIVE HUIS ARMS a.i if he was always going to control them.
2)why doesnt aunt may not know who spider man is etc etc blah blah blah....fuck off......
we are talking about a movie where the lead character is a guy who can stick to building like a spider and shoot webs from his wrists because he was stung by a fucking ....oh you can quite happily accept that....i see.....
o.k. then here is why doc ock gave his arms a.i......if he didnt he wouldnt have become the bad guy of the movie....it is a COMIC BOOK movie for fucks sake...and a fucking great one..if you want realism go and see fucking mike leighs latest.....or mike moores(haha)...
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...at least they didn't hire The Tron Guy to entertain at the party. One look at him -- instant geek-kill.
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yes...I did see it at 12:01 AM Wednesday (or Tuesday night) and yes...it was all that I expected and more. Spidey rocks.
Well, what silly slogan can I use now?
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Sam Raimi has state that he really doesn't care for Venom as a character. The Sandman will probably be the new villian of the third film. I don't remember the comics too well, but I do remember him being Peter Parker's most dangerous adversary in terms of how they could use their powers against each other. Sandman can turn into, well, a big pool of moving sand and then reintigrate at will, which pretty much makes him impervious to Pete's web slingling or any projectile attack.
Personally, I think Venom's comic book origin is lame but the character is cool. I really loved what they were doing with the Harry Osborne character. James Franco gave a fine performance in the first film but his character was too removed from the action to be particularly compelling. Here he really shines. My favorite scene was when Willem Dafoe appeared in the mirror. Even the Dafoe's plastic mask sucked, I thought he gave an outstanding performance in the first film, his 'evil' side couldn't have been any more scary if he was in greenface (and probably would have looked dumb), and he was equally creepy in his 90 seconds of screen time here. Obviously, he's going to have a bigger role in the next film. Was he a ghost, a hallucination, did he do something to his son before he died? I wasn't expecting his cameo so that made the surprise even more exciting. Somehow, all the reviews of this movie managed to leave out his appearance. I would have hated to have this suprise ruined. The hairs on my arm start to lift and I got goospimples when Harry hears Dafoe's cackling laughter started. There's something cool about the way Raimi 'resurrected' the villain from the first film just as the new villain dies such a tragic death (not something we ordinarily see in this genre). One of the strengths of these two films that needs to be carried on in the third film is the way these stories elicit such sympathy for it's bad guys in spite of their evil natures.
I kind of liked the idea someone had about Harry turning into Venom. My imaginary idea for the Venom origin would be to have someone at Oscorp discover the spider that bit Peter Parker. Even though they can't figure out who it bit, they realize that it must have been the cause of Spidey's power. The scientist who discovers this manages to get a sample of Spidey's blood and, on a whim, he injects it into the Spider. Some sort of typically comic book reaction occurs and the thing starts to mutate, it enters a cocoon state and begins growing at a rapid rate. 24 hours later, Venom emerges. His spider sense gives him a connection with Peter Parker and he's even inherited some of Parkers characteristics. He inherits Pete's desire to fight crime although he is tormented by the fact that people react to him with horror (he's a big, smelly mutant bug after all) and, unfortunately, his love for MJ. When he approaches her, she is terrified and he grows to hate Spiderman. I envision Venom, as a screen character, as being a sort of homage to Frankenstein's monster. Here is Peter Parker's dark alter ego. This is what Parker might be if Spidey had been brought into the world alone without a supportive family. I don't know if I want Harry to be the next villain, I'd rather have someone new. I think it would be more compelling to have a storyline where Peter confronts Harry, who admits he's hearing voices, and tries to help him cope with the truth about his father and his own failing sanity and basically stops the whole process of him turning into a villain before it can take hold. Part of the theme of the first two movies is that the villains start out as mentors to Peter Parker until tragedy ensues. This could still end tragically when Venom kills Harry, prompting a rage in Peter we've never seen. I really liked Kristen Dunst's performance. If I can suggest anything to her for the next film, it's that she do some research and interview some wives of police officers and/or Feds. That kind of dynamic is probably what we're going to see from Peter and MJ in the next film. It'll take some insightful and clever writing to pull that off without MJ seeming like the whiny girlfriend. -
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Jul 04, 2004 8:32:37 PM CDT
"SPIDER-MAN 2" MAY BE THE CLOSEST YOU EVER GET TO SEEING A GREAT
by jdanielp
You know, ... it's so sad when there are comic book fans who are so disappointed in a superhero movie that is THIS CLOSE to greatness. Very sad, indeed. I just got back from seeing it a second time ... and I think I can now honestly say it is my favorite superhero movie of all time. Is Spider-man my favorite superhero character??? No. Batman is. But I had a tough time in choosing my favorite when I was a kid, between the two. And wow, this movie was absolutely fantastic and I felt as connected to the character as I was then, as a child. -- All the special/visual/computer effects mean nothing if you don't develop feelings for the characters. And I suppose some people (whom have posted here) have trouble caring about a nerdy character who stumbles along the way, ... which is exactly what makes him so human. This movie leaves all other superhero movies in the dust. Go see it.
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I don't like kids having long hair or greasy as a teens face moused up hair. Their parents suck. Anyway just some comments on Spidey2 and comments on other peoples comments, 1-Pete doesn't tell Aunt May who he is coz it'd scare the shit out of her having him out "battling evil" all the time. 2-Those people on the train have no idea who Peter Parker is, theres lots of people in NYC and he's not a celebrity, he just looks like a young guy. 3-The worst part of this movie is some of the dialogue, man it's cheesy "so here i am standing in your doorway. I've always been standing in your doorway" What the Fuck is that? 4-I really liked this film but wished Doc Ock hadn't died, it'd be cool to see him come back. 5-X2 is the best comic boo film IMHO, then Superman.
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did someone involved in the making of the spider man movies fuck your mother or something? did tobey mcguire and sam raimi tag team her? you seem to have a very personal grudge against this film....
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Just so you all know, they just reported on CNN and FoxNews that anyone who didn't like SpiderMan 2 was officially an idiot. They then went on to state that almost 97% of those idiots would try to explain why they didn't like the movie even though no one actually cares what they say or listen to them anyway. So there you go. A final note, CNN also stated that with the release of SpiderMan 2, Batman and Superman have both slipped from their spots as 'Best Comic Movie Adaptation EVER.'
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Um.... why would anyone even read something posted by someone who was 'smart' enough to name himself 'SirBiatch'? I mean, what a jackass.
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...Patton Oswalt. He was on Jimmy Kimmel the other night, and that's a direct quote. Check out bobanddavid.com, search for "Eric Blevins" for more Neill-style goodness. Pants, meet shit.
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While I'm on your side in that I think that people who try to justify 'Spider-Man 2's' logic problems by saying "it's a sci-fi movie, it doesn't need to make sense" are just not willing to face the questions you put forth, I think that your put-downs of this film are a tad vigorous. Almost every TV show or movie's logic collapses in on itself if you analyze it too minutely. Don't believe me? Try it sometime. It's sort of natural for a film that deals with consequences of psuedo-science to have more of them and I agree, some of them are annoying. Some of them are downright distracting. But for my part, I believe there's still a choice as to whether or not the movie's worth seeing. The logic doesn't always stand up, but there are moral and philosophical questions that the idea of being a selfless "hero" raises, and whether or not you agree with them, I thought that they at least covered the topic (in an archetypal way, of course) well enough to influence those sorts of discussions. Also, the movie was thoroughly entertaining, and for me at least, seeing Peter live was a cathartic experience. You may not have felt the same way, and I don't expect everyone to; in fact, you're probably more emotionally balanced than I am, but at least respect the fact that it fulfills a role that movies have fulfilled since their inception: to learn about life by getting lost in someone else's. ***** As for your problems with the film: well, one of them makes sense to me. Octavius sacrificed himself to stop the fusion machine (that it became self-sustaining was unrealistic) because he didn't want to live anymore. He sort of reminded me of the Beast, Rosie being his Beauty, in that she made him more compassionate. When she died due to the spikes in gravity around his experiment and he realized how destructive his research had become, he should have stopped. However, he had nothing left to live for, and his tentacles persuaded him that he still had to complete the fusion project that he'd begun. Peter removes his mask for two reasons: 1)so that the audience can see him talk and 2)to show Doc Ock a human face (that's the more iffy, ostensible reason) that he recognizes, most likely to remind him of who he was when they spoke and before everything bad happened. Realizing that his project was a travesty and that his selfishness, his monstrousness was destroying the city, he figured that dying a humanitarian would go ways to redeem himself, I assume, and define him as the man he wanted to be when he was in love. I stretched a little with that last sentence, but I hope you see what I'm saying. As for Aunt May knowing Spider-Man's secret identity, well, you shouldn't lambast them for a cliche that they haven't yet resorted to. If she ends up dying in 'Spidey 3' and revealing she's "always known," I'll be right there with you crying foul play. But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. The tentacles being self-aware is a little questionable, but no moreso than most science fiction involving dangerous machinery. But I can see where you're coming from, and you're not wrong in feeling the way you do, but I hope you can see my side of things, as well as maybe be more patient with others. It's not like the only trolling on this talkback's come from defenders of the movie. In the meantime, and perhaps I shouldn't do this, but here's another plot hole (or what I felt was a plot hole): when Spider-Man rode the elevator with Hal Sparks, why didn't he try crawling down the side of the building first? It was later on in the film that he discovered (or at least, WE discovered) he could no longer stick to walls, and if he'd gone that way, not only would he have reached the ground faster, but he would have been spared an awkward conversation. That's a rhetorical question, because everyone loved the awkward conversation, but it's another means-to-an-end problem. Anyway, peace.
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Jul 05, 2004 2:16:01 AM CDT
It's amusing to see Robbins try to empathize with SirBiatch....
by alchemist
Can't you see he's a multiposting troll? There will always be haters. Out.
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I can say that I enjoyed the movie, but I can't say that I enjoyed the idea of Harry becoming the next Green Goblin. I just don't see him with the kind of menace and ferocity that Willem D. had. It would seem forced. If Venom did come up as a villain, I think the John Jameson character offers an opportunity: (a) He would resent Peter immensely, and, (b) He's still an astronaut. In (b) I mean that he still has time to be sent to space, pick up a nasty bug that focuses on Peter and transfers to Peter. Yes, I know, the Venom set-up takes longer than most super-villains "You made me bald Superman, now I'm going to make you pay!" Ok, but it's better than having James Franco torture us in the third movie with a very forced recreation of the original.
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1) The name's Ribbons. 2) I think the fact that you used the word "amusing" to describe something you disagree with makes you just as much of a troll as anyone else.
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and I liked it, but not so much as I did the first time around. The second time I frankly started to get bored with the endless mooning over MJ. so much so that I had to come here and reregister after forgetting my old talkback id just so I could bitch about it.
And how horrible is it for her to leave a guy STANDING AT THE ALTAR on their wedding day? They make like it's this charming happy thing but it's obviously NOT. I also am curious as to why Peter's head isn't crushed when Dr. Octopus clamps his tentacles around it at the bank. If he is that different physically from humans you would think that getting a check up at the doctor's is the LAST thing in the world he would want to do while hiding his identity, yet we see him in his underwear post-examination? -
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If you remember the comic, Harry became Green Goblin for revenge shortly after he found out that Peter was Spiderman. Also, the movie did introduce Dr. Conner and showed that he and Peter were becoming friends. There is the Lizard angle possibility...and of course the MJ madness that will insue.
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The yahoos did also talk about Dr. Strange. It would be interesting to see him show up in a sequel.
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Jul 05, 2004 10:42:07 AM CDT
SirBiatch --- yes my lambasting of spiderman 2 is a little vigor
by sirbiatchreturns
but thats because i was so so disappointed with it. and its getting all this unnecessary hype. The movie is mediocre as hell. i'm sorry, but i enjoyed the Punisher much more. Here on this retarded website, it was being portrayed that S2 was going to be like what X2 did for X1. and X2 was absolutely amazing. I walked in there with high ass expectations and still managed to 'get served'. So i was like --- S2 is going to be amazing. how wrong i was!!! S2 was not at all on the caliber of X2. X2 had better acting, a brilliantly written storyline and great pacing. as well as amazing effects. So to all of the people who talk about i don't appreciate 'unreal' movies and i'm being retardedly picky for a comic book, please take it up the ass. What the fuck is X2 then? isn't it a fantasy movie? perhaps even more fantasy than Spiderman. but it still managed to make much more sense than S2 will ever make. the only movie i could have said would be the best of this year. and it turned out to be lame. thats where the animosity comes from. So i am going a tad overboard i know. but i have the right to - the movie was mediocre and the hype around it is just plain undeserving and disgusting. And by the way, slone13 u are a tool. i don't even want to comment further on that. there are some other random mothaf**kers that have said dumb shit. i can't be bothered to reply to your dumbasses. keep being tools. swallow whatever the media says is hype. keep that dick in your mouth.
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one of your arguments was spiderman didn't have enough action, then you go and say how X-2 was a better movie, a movie which had very little action, but just moments.
Then you talk about hype. Is it the movies Fault that there is hype around it? The hype is built by fans, people who loved the first one. you built up your own disappointment.
Like those who were mad with the matrix conclusion because neo didnt use his God like powers, instead used more kung fu.
You only have yourself to blame to sad piece of shit.
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SB, sorry to hear you were dissappointed with Spider-Man 2. Granted, if you were to believe the hype, you would be expecting more, and yeah, if you're one of the legion of jaded pseudo- intellectuals ( who actually have the scrote to accuse others of being mindless cattle!!!! ), the film does have it's flaws. I certainly don't think anybody will mistake it for one of greatest achievements in Western cinema. But, all bullshit aside, it was of a quality seldom seen in comic book movies. It's just a different animal: By virtue of the fact that it is Spider-Man, it requires pathos and soul- searching and "real" human moments. That's it. I'm sure there are "cooler" movies one could list as examples, but if you know what you're talking about, the comparison doesn't stand. If you're not a spoiled, obnoxious little retard, then you might want to think about what you
're trying to say, and stop sounding like one. *** At this point, I cannot guess what the next Spider-Man movie will be about. Hopefully, it will be even better. As long as Sam Raimi's in on this joint, I think quite a few of us hype- mesmerized drones will be there. Peace. -
throwing a car at Peter Parker and then throwing Peter Parker against a wall are key plot problems with me. If Doc Ock wanted Peter to tell Spidey to come fight him (Doc did not know Peter was Spidey), why do something that could possibly kill Peter. I loved the movie but that is a plot problem.
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Anyone who disagrees with me is whack. And Ribbons, sorry about the offensive typo, but when someone is saying something you completely disagree with again and again, there is no point in trying to reason with him. Yes, as far as popular opinion goes he is a crackpot. Or, rather, a sad, sad soul who can no longer enjoy movies. I'm sitting here with someone who doesn't like Kill Bill, so I know how tragic it is.
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"Punisher even had better dialogue." Whaa...? Do you really want to go there my friend?
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1. The core of the Spider-man ethos, as repeated endlessly in the comics and films, is
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Jul 05, 2004 3:30:47 PM CDT
i'm convinced that Rcamacho2278 is a toddler or some kind of ped
by sirbiatchreturns
either you are a child and therefore a childish movie such as S2 appeals to u. or you're a pedo who finds childish things sexually arousing. you can't deny how childish S2 was - the romantic, hero and other themes were dealt with in a childish way just for people like you to swallow. get a clue.
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anyone who says Spiderman 2 was better than X2 needs to take a break from all that weed. X2's writing/plotline was MILES above Spiderman 2s. in fact, X2 kept you guessing to pretty much the entire end. It was well written. With two villains, both with UNDERSTANDABLE motivations. i don't ever remember rolling my eyes constantly while watching X2, unlike with S2. i also don't remember being confused about 'why is he doing this', unlike S2. And by the way, i don't give a fuck about popular opinion as u should have noticed if u weren't so dumb. You sound like the type to dickride on hype anyways. "as u can tell from popular opinion..." --- Get your own opinion, tool.
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Jul 05, 2004 3:48:33 PM CDT
There's no difference between 50 Cent and S2. Both were overhype
by sirbiatchreturns
if it takes being 'artsy' and intellectual to hate Spiderman, i feel sorry for y'all. It does not take any of these qualities to realize why S2 was just a wack disappointment. I'm most angry because S2 proves that the masses like watered down hype shit --- whether it be movies or music. If its watered down, people will swallow it up. This kills creativity and quality entertainment. After all, to explain this metaphor further for those who need it, if all is watered down, entertainment loses its taste and becomes generic. isn't a lot of S2 supposedly based on Superman 2 as i keep reading? GENERIC!
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Jul 05, 2004 3:56:20 PM CDT
no decent movie would have its villain drown in the river along
by sirbiatchreturns
no decent movie would EVEN POSSIBLY have its villain drown in the river along with his perpetual energy source as any sort of an ending. i'm sorry. that alone makes the movie crap. If someone is prepared to use such a shit ending (i'm ok with shitty endings but this one takes the cake), it means the script has been shit. AICN are some hypocritical bitches. So quick to lap up S2 and then diss Catwoman, which nobody has seen yet. why? because it supposedly has lame lines and a lame plot. But wait a sec --- it seems like y'all LOVE that stuff. You people dont' even know yourselves. Thats it. i am truly out. i have said all that needs to be said. if i talk any more, call me a fool.
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I am not convinced Doc Ock is dead. Sure it shows him under water with no bubbles... but... who knows
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become hobgoblin instead of green goblin...then we wont have to see that silly green power ranger mask again....he could be like a suped up green goblin.....and I have said it once and I will say it again...vinnie jones as sandman!
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Superman 1 with all its faults is still far far better than this flick. I rate Spidey 2 about the same I rate X2. Good but Ebert overreacted.
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I thought the first SPIDER-MAN was a bit of a lame duck, but what a pleasant surprise part 2 was! I thought I was going to have a wait a year to see something like that with BATMAN BEGINS! Totally unexpected. It's typical superhero fare, really, but it's done with such panache! I rank SPIDER-MAN 2 as the fourth best movie of the year so far, after KILL BILL VOL. 2, ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND and THE CORPORATION, and SPIDER-MAN has broader geek appeal, so that's why we didn't get special TalkBacks dedicated exclusively to those other films.
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Jul 05, 2004 7:01:59 PM CDT
As cool as this flick is supposed to be, I just cant' deal with
by truthseekr1488
I mean, the whole point of Marvel's 'rebirth' in the '60s was its slightly cynical view of things in opposition to DC's hokeyness ... which degenerated into the camp phase of the late '60s before folks like Neal Adams came around and made things more interesting. Eh.
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Willem Dafoe is bigger than Jesus!
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Go back and watch the film 5 times like I did and you'll see why this film is so great. The camera work is outstanding! Watch the scene were Peter is standing across the street watching MJ come out of the theater. The camera as it lightly zooms in on a far away peter as if its floating(as a light music cue comes in). When he tosses his spidey outfit away and the scene goes dark except the spider-man eyes in the cornor of the shot then they fade out. The transition cuts from one scene to the next were nothing but talent. Now the acting...Either you bought into these character the first time around or you didnt. I feel like this time around the acting improved. Everytime MJ touched Peter you could just see him melting away...it was like every problem he had went away as long as her hand was still touching him. James as Harry ....that scene where he slapped Peter and then just stared at him with these hating eyes and you could hear his breathing. It was like his breath could cut you in half. Doc Ock was awseome to watch but I did notice that in 2 of the 5 theaters I saw the movie in the sound was not very great and it took away from his character. Going back and watching the Superman movies which I love(well the first 2) none of the fight scenes reached anything in this movie. I brought into the Love Story in the film as I did in the first. I didnt mind watching a comic book movie that displayed more heart than action. To me Spider-Man the comic wasnt about villians and action scenes...to me it was always about Peters struggles and this film gives you that in doses. The humor in the movie was at just the right volume...anymore and it might have headed into superman camp territory. I think if the X-Men movies would slow down and go more into the characters it would have made them better movies. To me the first X-Men is great fun as was the second but slightly better. Neither had the heart and soul that this movie has. Ive seen it 5 times as I have said so I have seen the flaws one could find in any film if one chooses to pick it apart. Nothing in this movie is flawed enough to tarnish it in anyway. Most of the flaws are typical flaws that one should not be even caring about in a comic book movie such as this. I myself would have trimmed Peters phone call to MJ's answering machine. I didnt need him to explain out loud why he couldnt be with MJ. That was something well known. But hey it doesn't stand in my way of loving this film. If your spending time picking a comic movie apart because Ock threw a car at Peter, or the science of the ball of sun, or why Peter would show his face to harry ect ect...either you dont like comics...dont like movies based on comics.....dont like old people...kids or small puppies.
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Was it as good as its rumored inspiration--Superman 2--is? No. But still, it was a solid action/fantasy movie. In comparison, the established classic, Superman: The Movie, also has loads of plot holes and leaps of logic. That whopper of a scene where Superman spins the Earth backwards on its rotation and turns back time comes to mind. In conclusion, good show Mr. Raimi, Mr. Sargent and company.
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Four problems actually. ONE: why throw a car at PP if you wanted him to find Spidey for you? TWO: Why throw him against a wall if you wanted him to find Spidey for you? THREE: How did Spidey find Ock's lair? They never explained that. He just showed up there. FOUR: Give your nephew a haircut, Harry. Come on, really. As a guardian, you should help him learn some personal hygiene. Let him slack off in that department when he's a teenager like everyone else. Probably no one will respond to this TB because the plot holes are too glaring to explain away.
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Jul 05, 2004 11:32:37 PM CDT
S2? Not bad, but not great either. X2 was a better film, I just
by the founder
Wasn't as good as i thought it'll be, but I ended up pleased. Doc Ock was the best thing the movie had going, I think Molina did a great job, wasn't to keen on the limbs being somewhat A.I, I saw no point in that. The action was good, and I liked a lot of little things about the film. I did have a few gripes, mainly that some scenes seem to drag on, and it was to many drama ridden and angst scenes, but over all I'd give Spiderman 2 an 8 out of 10 stars. I really wish the X men would rake in 3 or 4 hundred million, I just think X2 was a good film, and better then both Spiderman flicks.
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Spiderman 2 was the most fun I've had in the theaters in forever. I laughed my ass off, I felt for Parker, I chewed my nails at the tention, Doc Ock was fucking scary as shit and I was completely satisfied with the whole package. You pricks need to find something else to do with your time save for bitch about a truly fun and well rounded film. Kiss the skull you petty brats. Find something constructive to do with your time, cause if you didn't like this film then you might ass well put a bullet where it counts and save an extra seat for a pal of mine when Spiderman 3 comes out. Lick it. Ban me if you like, you know it's true.
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Jul 06, 2004 5:27:25 AM CDT
Wish they hadn't turned him into Doctor Swiss-Army-Knife...
by phasmatrope
...while I guess it stands to reason that, as scientific prosthetics, those arms of his SHOULD have lots of little arms, drills, etc, besides my geekish complaint that it deviated from the comic far too much, it just made him far too powerful. I mean, he almost impales Spidey twice. If he can off Spidey as simple as that, the fights could never be as elaborate as they were in the comic (case in point, I was disappointed that Spidey didn't get to use his webbing to tangle up & disable the claws, that was always how he handled them in the comic). Though hey, even if Doc Ock is a lot more dangerous and less goofy than he was in the comic, the fight scenes are a lot better than they were in the first movie (and the stakes higher, seeing Doc Ock throwing people for Spidey to save was a great sadistic touch). There was always something kinda cheesy to me seeing G.G. pounding Spidey's head against the wall, strafing him with his glider bullets instead of just using his classic pumpkin bombs and bladed bats. I do agree with Slide1 though, THEY NEED TO STOP KILLING THE BAD GUYS! Granted, it'd be laughable to simply show him locked up behind bars (as they did with the villains in the comic), and Ock's demise here was nicely reminiscent of the old arms-caught-on-the-sinking-submarine part that dispatched him in one of the comics. But while it made sense for Norman Osbourne to die (since it set up for Harry's grudge against Spidey and himself becoming G.G.). Plus, for the villains who are simply masked, like the Goblins and the Vulture, you can HAVE usurpers take their identity for themself, as happened to both in the comic. But for the truly unique freaks like Doc Ock, killing them means sacrificing a truly good villain. Shoot, you might make 20 Spiderman films, but if you're going kill the bad guy off with every film, eventually you're going run out of cool villains and end up using third-tier cheeseballs like the Molten Man or the Enforcers. We need Sandman! The Lizard! The Scorpion! Mysterio! (no Venom...too much to deal with now). At least most of those villains, you could simply get away with locking their asses up at the end of the comic (though maybe not Sandman, but I guess he could always fall into some wet cement or something and get absorbed by it...maybe he'd eventually get out).
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go fuck yourself
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Corneroffice, Why oh why do you have to bring politics into a movie? For crying out loud, it is a movie, entertainment, get over your agenda and enjoy to the show. Just like the political BS that came with Day After Tomorrow, and the lies in Fahrenheit 911, movies have lost the ability to entertain and there are individuals that have to politicize everything that comes from hollywood. I wish people would give it a rest and enjoy the movie, critique it on its merits in relation to the acting, story line, and special effects, not whether or not Spidey is a conservative or Liberal.
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Corneroffice, Why oh why do you have to bring politics into a movie? For crying out loud, it is a movie, entertainment, get over your agenda and enjoy to the show. Just like the political BS that came with Day After Tomorrow, and the lies in Fahrenheit 911, movies have lost the ability to entertain and there are individuals that have to politicize everything that comes from hollywood. I wish people would give it a rest and enjoy the movie, critique it on its merits in relation to the acting, story line, and special effects, not whether or not Spidey is a conservative or Liberal.
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I've seen it a couple of times and have to say that it's "okay" and nothing more. The reason I don't think it's super-duper is the often achingly-slow transitions from one scene to the next. More troubling is the time that it takes, in the movie, to get from one point to the next. For example, Harry tells Doc Ock to get Peter Parker and it takes like TWO DAYS for him to track him down at a coffee shop... where he almost kills him. It just seems like there was way too much time in between certain events and NO ONE seemed to be really worried about Doc Ock (they don't even talk about him after the bank robbery until he kidnaps MJ). Anyhow... a decent flick, but far from as good as it could have been.-
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I can't believe the venom ( no pun intened ) in this talkback! So some of you didn't like it! Fine, move on! I can't see how somebody would let Shrek 2 slide on "it's a fairy tale" and slam a movie based on escapist comic books, with a moral to boot! Fuck-o-rama...let's all give SirBiatch and his cronies their ten bucks back and a bootleg copy of "Catwoman" so they'll quit crying. As for me, I loved this movie. I saw it with my 14 year-old nephew and my 6 year-old niece and they went nuts. The audience clapped at the end and we were all chattering on the way out. I loved every bit of this movie. The elevator ride got great laughs. I liked Spider-Man delivering the pizzas ( "He stole that guy's pizzas!" ) I liked the relationship Doc Ock had with his pretty wife. I liked the girl Ursula's crush on Peter ( her heart will now be broken since he's finally come to his senses and chosen M.J. ) I liked that tense scene where Harry slaps Peter twice at the party. Jesus, there's no end. Loved the fight scene on the clock tower and the one on the elevated train. To those of you who have not seen it, GO. You'll be damn glad you did.
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Just for the record, I loved this movie.
At the end of the movie it's pretty obvious that the Hobgoblin storyline is being set up for the next movie. I just can't picture Raimi going with another goblin for a villain. Now, I'm not too sure on this, but isn't Jameson's Son the astronaut that brings back the symbiote organism that eventually becomes Venom. If this is true, then that's another possible (and way better) villain for Spidey 3. -
I actually had quite a few, and I agree with many of the negatives (and positives) posted here. A decent movie, but not the be-all and end-all many of you lead me to believe. Anyway - my biggest gripe is that in the first The Goblin breathes a syrum to make him stronger and more powerful so I can believe he can take a beating, but in 2 Doc Ock gets kicked and punched in the head by a guy that can punch through walls and Ock doesn't even bruise (or lose his glasses). COME ON! The guy just has 4 tentacles, not Ben Grimm's skin!!!
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I ALSO agree that X2 was a better movie. More mature themes, way better writing, way better acting, way more intricate plot (the plan to release Magneto was brilliant), no Kirsten Dunst. X2 didn't have such obvious corny scenes like the young Harry Osborne staring at a desktop layed out with clippings and photos of Spidey, or having a bank safe filled with gold dubloons (wtf was that?????). Spiderman 2 was a good kid-teenager movie, but X2 took it up a few more notches. I LIKED SM2, but LOVED X2. But then I'm an adult.
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Jul 07, 2004 2:32:30 AM CDT
Fish Tank ... I also mentioned the contradiction of Spider-man h
by jdanielp
(I posted such comments under Harry's review ... towards the bottom.) -- It was so close to being a great Spider-man film, for me. I really felt that connection to the character as I did when I was such a fan of the comics (in the '70s and '80s), as a kid. I think people whom tend not to like this kind of movie-pacing (superhero fantasy or otherwise) ... are also unsatisfied with a movie such as "UNBREAKABLE" ... a movie which also "takes it's time" (verses saying "it's slow"). -- You won't see me NAME CALLING because others have a different (and sometimes much different) opinion. You like what you like and "Spider-man 2" wasn't it for you. (I feel your pain. I'm a huge Batman fan.) For me and many others, yes, ... it REALLY hit the mark, ... though on the outside line of the bullseye, so-to-speak. -- Years ago, I was really looking forward to my favorite director, James Cameron, doing the Spider-man movie ... until it went into legal limbo. But as great of a Spider-man movie Cameron would have surely delivered, I'm glad for how it has worked out ... in the end. And I'm sorry for the people who just can't enjoy seeing characters slowly develop and change on-screen.
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not nuclear fission kids. Fusion. Yea, that one energy source we will eventualy come across and change everything. "Harmonics" lol that the AI tentacles can control. My ass. whatever. Warp 11 rocks! www.warp11bb.com.
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...but not by much. And most of it's better-ness had to do with a better villain (though underused) and better special effects. As far as the story goes, there really wasn't an improvement.
Personally, I think the direction they'll head with Spider-Man 3 is a dual-villain with The Lizard making an appearance and with Harry taking up the Hobgoblin mantle (just to make it a little different from S1). The Lizard will probably run amok first then come under Harry's sway for a classic team-up against Spider-Man in the finale. If that happens, I predict that both villains will survive the movie, unlike their predecessors.
In 3, they should just write Mary Jane (Dunst) out. Don't kill her, just have her realize this whole "being Spider-Man's chick" isn't for me and leave. I realize both Dunst and Tobey are probably done with the franchise after 3 but personally she's ruined the character for me so even if it's recast, I'm off the MJ wagon. If there is a Spider-Man 4 and there must be a love interest, I'd prefer a Black Cat throughline.
If there is still heat on Spider-Man after 3, then they'll likely see the wisdom in attaching a director to 4-5-6 so that second trilogy can have a unifying vision. Probably they'll want to jump right into the more modern villains but I'd personally like to see a continued focus on the classic villains. They can save Venom for 7-8-9. I'll be dead by then. :)
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Harry sends Octavius to bring Spidey back to him alive. So, not only does Ock chuck a Chevy Nova at the ostensibly human Peter Parker, who's supposed to be the only way he can find Spidey (which has been mentioned on this TB several times already,) but when he finally gets a hold of Spider-Man and he can accomplish his mission, he dispatches him to save a runaway train. Why? At best, Spidey would save the train several miles away from Ock and he'd have to hunt him down again, and at worst, Spidey would die trying and Ock doesn't get his terflibnium or whatever the heck it was. Also, speaking of the energy ball-thing, which I assume was basically just a tremendous electromagnet, can someone explain to me how dropping it in a lake was supposed to snuff the thing? I mean, I don't know shit about crap when it comes to things scientific, but... I thought water was a conductor. And if Peter's little soliloquy about the ethics of intelligence was enough to sway Ock's position on the project, what does that say about Ock? He saw what was happening... he saw the same results as the first time... the time when everything went wrong and his wife was killed. A second, disastrously failed experiment isn't enough to make him rethink things, but Peter's half-assed speech is? What about Jameson? He's given the Spidey suit... the costume of the "menace" he hates so much, and instantly he's got an advantage over everyone else in the world to find SpiderMan's identity... and he doesn't do a thing. He hangs it on his wall. Doesn't ask the garbage man where he found it, doesn't get it to a lab, doesn't do shit. Now that's some investigative journalism. Folks, I'll be honest with you, I wanted to love this movie. I heard so much about how it was 10 degrees better than the first one (which I thought was as thin as the paper it was written on,) and I wanted to be happy with it. I didn't need it to de-throne any "best comic movie ever" choice... I just needed it to be satisfying. The action scenes were definitely a step up from the last flick, but that's a somewhat minimal compliment. Here's hoping for S3... maybe the third time's the charm.
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Jul 07, 2004 7:40:16 AM CDT
Oh, and to SirBiatch and and in re: the birthday party Spidey...
by llghtst0rmer
Biatch-- I agree with the points you make; I applaud you for standing tall when most others apparently praise the movie you decry. But when you go on the offensive and look for fights to pick, you weaken your own credibility. I'm just sayin', is all. *** And Harry said that Spider-Man taught the kids the values of exercise? THAT Spider-Man?? If Spidey actually swung through the NYC skyline with THAT figure, he wouldn't be a superhero, he'd be a wrecking ball.
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I'd have to say the most telling aspect of your post (championing the "Conservative Spidey" concept) is the fact that you actually seem to believe all of that would be justified. You think there's no lack of morality in any of what you've said. You've basically galvanized the whole basis of my mistrust of neo-cons: You apparently don't know what morality is and you simply don't care.
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Jul 07, 2004 9:05:16 AM CDT
Ok, and does anyone else want to chaperone and comment on other
by axelfoley
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Jul 07, 2004 9:13:24 AM CDT
Ok, and does anyone else want to chaperone and comment on other
by axelfoley
Spider-Man 2 indefinitely rocked, but there were its share of problems. WHO CARES? This movie is not perfect, and more than enough time was spent on it to make it was it was. What I think is funny, albeit kind of cool is that Harry (likely aged 19) in this movie, runs his dad's company no problem. Like he's all business like and he's got a bottle of Wild Turkey that he's drinking. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was it expected that Norman bequethed his company, or what little say he had in it, to Harry? Also, yes Peter revealed his identity to too many people. The time he did it on the train was because a spark got in his eye and he had to take it off before it burnt him. Ok....but go out of your way to show Doc Ock? Another thing is why is it a big deal to you people if Ock robs a bank? I don't get that. Supervillains can't rob banks? The only thing you can tag that with is it being cliche. Yes, that is cliche. But, sooner or later you knew that was gonna be explored. Prediction for Spidey 3.....Harry as the goblin (shudder) and a second villain--most likely Lizard. And Raimi, please STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM VENOM. -
It's full of emotionl, great acting, humanity and all that stuff. The fights were superb. But what I really liked was Doc Ock's Tentacles. They are so much cooler in this flick than they ever were in the comics. The fact that each has its own "eye" make them more alien, more spooky, not to mention that giving the villan 360
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Hey all you guys talking about Venom: I don't think you were paying enough attention to Spidey 2. JJ is already infected by the symbiot! It was stated that he already went to the moon. Did you see how easily he made that huge jump onto the ship?
So the question becomes do they let Spidey get the suit for a while in the 3rd movie and use the time to introduce Brock. I would love to see the 3rd movie end in the church with the weakened symbiot dropping down and being drawn to the intensity of Brock's emotion as he kneels in the church. Then we get Venom in #4. But of course this assumes they are planning on a 4th.
I don't want to see Venom in the 3rd because that would almost certainly mean JJ has to become Venom but that doesn't make sense. To introduce both the symbiot AND Brock in the 3rd movie and then have him become Venom and then fight Spidey... well you get the idea. Too much too fast. You need to build up to Venom so he has more impact. Not to mention if you take away the whole plot point about the symbiot being Spidey's ex then you lose a lot.
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I still think X2 was better. The biggest problem with S2 was the fights. Dr Oct was a normal guy other than the tentacles. Spidey using his spider strength (whatever that may be) would have smashed him having no intrisic super powers or strength. As to being clamped on the head by the tentacles, being bitten by a GM spider, evidently improves your bone density and strength to the point where pneumatic metal AI clamps can't crush your skull, duh... Cheers.
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Well another aicn article and yet another funny talkback forum and again yet at least one mention of a matrix film, god its like groundhog day in here!!
I can see valid points from most people in here about there likes and dislikes of spiderman 2. I for one have not watched it yet as it has yet to be released in the uk but im expecting more of the same, which is no bad thing as i liked the first one. The thing is this site never influences my decision to watch a particular film or not, i just enjoy the news and these talkbacks, but honestly no-one seems to like any films in here. It should be called "aint it a shit film news" Now i like a wide variety of films and if anyone calls me a loser or an ass for liking a film so be it. At the end of the day its only a film and i couldnt give a shite whether other people enjoy the same films or not. I too may pick at films after ive watched them but ill still give them a shot. I personally liked Riddick, sure the storyline was a bit off and the action scenes at times were hard to make out but overall i wasnt expecting a lord of the rings etc. Now i expect a comment off someone saying "you must be a retard if you liked that" Ha well i dont give too shits what people think. The thing that makes me laugh the most is when people say this film wasnt a patch on this film etc.. for instance spiderman 2 isnt as good as batman! Now im willing to bet any money that if batman was just reviewed on this site now everyone will be saying it blows or whatever. SirBiatch may have some valid points but i really cant comment as i aint seen the film yet, but the moment he mentioned matrix reloaded i had to laugh, as that film is a prime example of how to mess up a sequel. Anyway ill be off to see spidey 2 when it comes out and im looking forward to it, if i dont like it then so be it. There's plenty more films on the horizon and i wont lose any sleep over it or post anal comments on this site. BTW xmen 2 does rock!! -
After seeing and hearing every stellar, earthshattering review of this film, I must say I was more pumped to see it than anything in a long time. After seeing it ( yes, I did see it 2 x's ) twice this weekend, I found it to be an excellent movie with phenomenal fight scenes but definately lacking in ALOT of areas !!! First of all, the faggy song montages were unnecessary and inappropriate to the movie. What was the point of the "close to you" musical insert? And there were a few lesser examples of similar parts with the Spidey cartoon song that rather than come across funny made the film appear campy ala TV Batman. Additionally, the frequency with which he reveals his true identity all in one film, to me was disappointing. A friend of mine actually got angry when he was passed along the train unmasked. I must say that I myself actually understood and appreciated that part ( he was still anonymous at that point and it was endearing that people saw him as a regular guy ). Then with Harry Osborn , OK it sets up the next film but UNMASKING himself to Octavious, completely uncalled for which of course ends up pulling MJ "behing the curtain " as well. I didn't mind her knowing as much but it did set up what was for me the WORST thing in the film, MJ running out on her wedding to go to Peter. Total BS soapy crap !!! If Raimi wanted her to cancel the wedding ahead of time or delay it, fine I get it, but running through the city in her wedding dress, no good !!! In summation, was it good, yes. Was it the end all of superhero movies, not even close. In fact, I think that in certain ways, Spiderman was better. Maybe this is a prime example of great expectations but I can't agree with Harry, and all his cronies here on AICN that "worship" this film. And as for being a fan, and being a knowledgeable Spidey guy, put it to you this way, I just found my very 1st Spiderman comic this weekend from 1977 ( I was 7 years old !! ) so I think I'm familiar with the genre... -
Anyone that liked this movie should have a CT scan. This thing sucked from frame 1. Either go comic or go serious, I'm cool either way - Just Pick One! S2 tries to be a mature picture - you start to buy it, then bam! Retarded action sequences after retard action sequences that apply none of the logic that the film maker attempted to apply in the previous scene. I'm so glad that we have the technology in place to allow us, the mouth breathing audience, to fly ALL AROUND THE FUCKING CITY at seizure like speeds, watching a totally worthless CGI character who never really seems to touch anything. What is that? It looks bad and it IS bad. I think they used the Grand Theft Auto render engine because Spiderman looks stupid. Fuck me! The old film making principles of telling a story through edits and how the movie unfolds from as much that isn't shown as is shown, is fucking dead in Hollywood now. People don't have to think - everything is shown to them. I blame Jerry Crookheimer, MTV, Harry Potter, Jar-Jar, Mountain Dew commercials, Friends, Star Bucks, Wal-mart, my dad who never loved me enough, George Lucas who never loved me enough, that Jewish guy who made that cool movie Jaws then turned hack, speaking of hacks... Tom Hanks, CGI, George Lucas for that time at Michael Jackson's Never land Ranch, Episode 1,2,3 and Return of Jedi, The third Indiana Jones movie, all the bitches out there that like the 3rd Indiana Jones movie, Wrestling, NASCAR, hunters who sit in tree stands and shoot animals, Michael (please have massive coronary) Moore, Madonna (stick with pretending to sing, dance, and act - don't pretend to have any knowledge of world politics), that cop that gave me $900 worth of tickets, my high school English teacher who said I' never amount to anything - (no who's laughing Hooper!), VH1, Britney Spears for not going nude yet, and just about 95% of anything you can think of. Anyway, back to Spiderpoop 2, we saw all of this before in the first one. This movie is basically Superman 2 - but really really shitty. Superman 2 dealt with the concept of making a choice between being a super hero and just being a regular happy guy, much better than Spiderman 2. Superman 2 also had way cooler villains. Doc Oc's inventions and motivations were both equally unconvincing and I never felt bad for Peter Parker for one second and never felt that anything was on the line. The "tragic" aspect of Spiderman.. poor fellow, he's poor, he can't be with that pudgy little cum dumpster next store, and that pudgy little cunt runs out on her own wedding anyway, the Green Goblins kid is all messed up because his evil dad is dead, and Aunt May's little money problem (ever hear of Medicare and social security bitch). None of it is really all that bad. If he can climb buildings and whip up science class papers - why he can't get a better job then a pizza guy on a scooter? None of that is important. Sam Raimi and the suits are riding this cash cow until Spiderman 19 overflows from some back ally Hollywood studio toilet and spills onto the silver screen for the hungry teen audience to pay 52.50 US credit chips to see. Why do I bother going to see movies anyway? Hollywood sucks - no wonder everyone else on the planet thinks that Americans are retarded. For the love of fucking Christ man, Spiderman 2 has broken all opening weekend records so far... I can't take it. Thank god for a free place to stay (mom's basement), my paper boy delivery job, internet porn, KY, and my Boba Fett mask or I might flip out.
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Jul 07, 2004 8:08:15 PM CDT
God almighty, it amazes me what some people can manage to dislik
by raw_bean
Though not perfect, I find it completely baffling how anyone can see Spider-Man 2 and not like it. I loved it, had a great time seeing it and am now looking forward to seeing it again, and to Spidey 3. I can no more understand why someone could possibly dislike it than I can understand why some people don't like cheese. There are some aspects of it that I disliked, and some areas I would say could be better, but it was really, really good fun to watch, and left me grinning and talking about it for ages. What more can you ask of it?
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Jul 07, 2004 9:31:49 PM CDT
The point is very simple, some people (like pretty much most peo
by axelfoley
This thing could have been the second coming and there still would be someone putting it down, just for the sake of being an ass. Yeah, that's all I wanted to say. And I said what I I had to say one post or less, unlike some other's I needn't mention. -
Sounds like your the one that needs the CT scan after that childish rant!! Get a fucking life, its only a film, if your that devastated by it i suggest you go to your moms basement and put on your boba fett mask and slowly rock back and forth.
Still this forum would be boring without mindless rants like that so keep it up. Oh and BTW feel free to call me whatever you like as thats the norm in here!!
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Nice rant mate, looks like you should pick up your boba fett mask and go down to your moms basement and slowly rock back and forth while watching superman!
I agree with the other post above, it is amazing what some people dislike, ha its a superhero film.. so what if it has plot holes, you go to watch it as a no-brainer! Ive seen a lot of films with gaping plot holes but so what.... ITS ONLY A FILM!!!! -
I'm sorry, but it isn't. Go back and look.
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