Review

SPIDER-MAN 2 Review

Published at: June 28, 2004, 3:39 a.m. CST by headgeek

Saw the film last Wednesday morning, Pops had to run my Granny up to San Antonio to the hospital for a check-up and I was going to have to wake up early in the morning… Traditionally… I don’t do this. The site and the people I work with tend to keep hours like those that suck blood from virgins, but this was SPIDER-MAN 2, so I downloaded a digital MP3 Alarm Clock for my computer and set it to go off at full volume with Johnny Weissmuller’s classic TARZAN yell… the result? I vibrated 5 feet above my bed in abject terror of being trampled. An outstanding alarm.

After that – it was get ready for SPIDER-MAN 2… other than the typical shower, dress and piss routine, this meant… picking up one of my numerous Spidey toys and one of my Doc Ock toys and clash them together giggling. As Quint and Kraken showed up, there was a sense of giddiness, but I was by far, the most possessed.

As we got to the theater, I sat there looking at the blank screen going, “Play play play play play play!”

You see… The pre-release hype had me. I absolutely love Sam Raimi’s movies. Everything I knew about this one pointed towards him evolving from a cult filmmaker with a quasi-polished style… to being a master storyteller with his style intact. COOL! Ebert claiming “Best Superhero Movie Ever!” didn’t really do anything for me, cuz I didn’t really know if Ebert even really knows what that means. Was he considering UNBREAKABLE, or was he just considering the realm of comic book superhero films? Did he specify? I hadn’t seen his review yet, just heard the quote.

As the lights began to dim, my eyes widened and I was heard to say, “YESSSSS!”

Some hideous horrendous Tim Allen / Jamie Lee Curtis Christmas Dumb Comedy Trailer plays and I had ZERO patience for it. If I see a trailer before SPIDER-MAN 2, I want it to be EPISODE 3, SKY CAPTAIN, BLADE TRINITY and/or BATMAN BEGINS! This thing being placed here, just made me hate it more than I regularly would.

Finally – the flipping comic pages MARVEL logo pops up, and we’re off…

The opening titles are made up of Alex Ross paintings recapping the key moments of the first film and instantly I was reminded of the power and difference of comics and film.

In comics, an artist has the ability to capture a single moment, the best moment, the best 24th of a second to convey the power and intention of what could have been the point of a second, minute, hour, day, week, year or lifetime of a character or story. The control over that second is absolute… the look on the face, the atmosphere to a brush stroke, the posture, the angle, the surroundings… everything. A comic artist has to choose these moments quickly, usually… and that’s why most comic artists’ work ends up suffering under the regimen of tight schedules and deadlines… but this is Alex Ross… the man that has given new definition to comics and a new dramatic realism to the world of heroes and villains. I believe, his opening credit artwork is entirely better than the first film. He makes it feel in the past, epic and tragic. He told the story of the first film in just a few paintings… but conveys everything from the first film with so much more power and grace. I was in love.

As the final image graced the screen and the brushstrokes gave way to life… the film that followed exceeded the power of those paintings and showed what cinema can be that comics never can. Complete.

SPIDER-MAN 2 is alive and breathing. It isn’t just the whiz bang of the fights… it’s the little moments, the relentlessness of Parker’s misery. How tragically overwhelmed it is to be a hero trying to be everything for everyone, but himself. This is Peter Parker, like Jesus being whipped by life everywhere he turns and at his greatest moment of heroism, I’ll be damned if it isn’t a crucifix moment. In the Ditko/Lee days of Spider-Man… the boy couldn’t catch a break… he never could win at life, so he’d escape into the mask… win by being a bully upon crime. He’d use faster and smarter quips than his life-side adversaries like Jameson or Flash Thompson… He was still Peter Parker in his calm Spider-Man moments, but in a fight… he became the best in what humanity backed against a wall can be… he gives it everything he has… heart & soul. Raimi has captured THAT Spider-Man. He’s captured not the pretty boy Spider-Man in nice digs, but the Peter Parker overwhelmed by that which over-whelms so many of us… LIFE. He lives in shit, puts up with shit, piles shit on himself and then beats the shit out of shit and there’s always too much to flush. He can’t save everyone and somebody unfortunately usually gets hurt, and for him… it is always his fault… if only he had… ya know the tale, the what if hell of life.

The film just bristles with energy… When it’s funny it is DAMN FUNNY, When it’s exciting it’s tremendously exciting, When it’s heartfelt you’ll feel every beat. This film has the kinetics and humor of Raimi’s EVIL DEAD 2 married with the heartache and feeling of A SIMPLE PLAN on an impossible level of production and artistry that simply can not be faulted by these eyes. For me, this is perfect. A perfect adaptation? Not really, not for someone that knows every line and every 4 color tone of the originals… This is actually something entirely different. It leaves the limitations of comics behind – giving weight, sound, movement, soul and life to something only dreamt about for a lifetime.

All those times watching Doc Ock clash with Spider-Man I never once imagined just how breathtaking it could really be. The Clock Tower to the Elevated Train Combat sequence could very well be the single best fight in cinematic history… and my personal favorite two fights are: King Kong vs the T-Rex and Errol Flynn vs Basil Rathbone in THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD. This fight is magnificent… truly something I’ve never seen before. Watching Molina play Ock is a dream… He tends to play him small and centered letting the tentacles overact brutally for him. If you watch his face, he’s a fighter that isn’t betraying the blow… he’s surgical like a six armed Ali fighting the most graceful fighter that has never lived, Spider-Man. The tentacles each are characters brimming with individual intelligence and cold cunning. Everything that I felt was wrong about the MATRIX RELOADED semi-sequence is done to perfection here… It’s Gods fighting with humanity in the grip… Those people on that train… They’re powerless, insignificant in their ability to sway the outcome or even the direction of their own lives. If not for the kid playing dress-up hero… they would neither be in danger or be able to even think about being saved. The fight has weight, character, urgency, meaning and power. The culmination… perfection.

As great as the fight is, it isn’t the best thing. What is best about this film for me is Tobey Maguire… If I didn’t care so goddamn much about his character, his situation, his dreams, his pains, his frustration and his exhaustion… That fight would mean nothing. I want him to win so bad, so bad. But he’s Spider-Man… a perpetual loser hoping to make a difference one battle at a time… He’s Balboa, leading with his head… punished time after time… Not for money or glory or position in life… but because of guilt, a guilt that can’t be lifted no matter the confession… It’s there because he is special, because he does have these powers and what is the price of not being the man he can be? He’s terrified of finding out, and it’s that mixture of fear and guilt swinging and fighting, putting forth some bravura to hide the terrified panic of a young man trying to win against impossible odds. He’s Spider-Man.

I can go on for hours about this film… about the Russian Waif Chick and the Pizza Thief… About J. Jonah and mirror’d visions to frighten us all. I can write and weep about how wonderful Aunt May’s moving speech is and how painful and honest Pete’s confession is. About cameos and characters, Easter eggs and gags. I could write a sonnet to Kirsten Dunst, whom I adore… and I could talk about pricks that control the doors in our lives and about over-eager landlords and late homework and dreams crushed and on and on and on and on, but frankly… Discover it for yourself, I know you will and you’ll be so much happier for it.

I saw this film and I felt more alive, more thrilled and more happy than I have in ages, and my life my friends… my life fucking rules, I’m living my dreams, I wake up every morning humming tunes and giddy. It’s just this movie is cooler than all that. This is seeing something I’ve read my whole life realized and imagined by a mind I’m genuinely in awe of now. Huzzah Raimi, Huzzah!

Readers Talkback

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  • June 28, 2004, 3:44 a.m. CST

    First!

    by Lion Fire

    Yay.... faster than a speeding bullet.

  • June 28, 2004, 3:52 a.m. CST

    The post after the guy above me...

    by Mondo182

    All I'm hearing is positives for this film. Wednesday can't get here soon enough.

  • June 28, 2004, 3:52 a.m. CST

    dammit, I mean below me...

    by Mondo182

    that's all I've got...

  • June 28, 2004, 3:57 a.m. CST

    But Harry.....

    by Joey9775

    Did you cry in the bathroom?

  • June 28, 2004, 4:07 a.m. CST

    YES!

    by griggsy10

    You said it Mr Knowles...I live in little old England and I'm quite frankly busting a nut for this film! 'Spider sense...tingling!'

  • June 28, 2004, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Listen AICN, i have had enough

    by striker88

    The posts on these Talk Back's are disgraceful. For one, i don't think you have even seen spiderman 2 so why are you there slagging it off?? I don't know if you people do, but i don't want to hear people who call themselves film geeks or woteva coming on these talk backs and posting "Raimi fucking sucks, he is a fucking disgrace, he ruined fucking spiderman'. I come on here to talk about films, say what i like about them and what i don't and speak in an ordinary and a love for all things movie. And read what other film lovers like about the recent film etc I do not come on here to read bollox where it's just an endless banter of swearing about some film they didn't like. Everyone has their own opinion for one, people should be able to come onto these talk backs and speak out that they loved Batman & Robin or woteva and not get a mouthful of crap from some 'fan'!! These people who talk alot of crap on these talk backs need to respect other people who come on here for harmless chat and show their imagination and love for films in general!

  • June 28, 2004, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Great Exoectations

    by Dean Moriarty

    This movie better not suck. All the praise its been getting on this site (and elsewhere). If it sucks there will be fan boys hanging themselves.

  • June 28, 2004, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Did they ever explain why Doctor Octopus doesn't have a German a

    by Rogue_Leader

    I am pretty bloody certain he is supposed to have one.

  • June 28, 2004, 5:21 a.m. CST

    by Exterminans77

    Will probably be explained as well as Robin Hoods American accent in "Price of Thieves" was explained.

  • June 28, 2004, 5:22 a.m. CST

    Now onto what i thought about spiderman 2

    by striker88

    Before i do though, i would like to say that i have recently been visiting a site called www.filmrot.com which has actualy shown me how much of a shambles AICN has become. For one they let you have your own opinions and views on all things film and you can express your film knowledge and love without getting your head bitten off by some twat who thinks he knows better. Anyway onto the Spiderman 2 review. It was an ok review, but to be honest the reviews on AICN are never actualy that good. They are fun and all, but Harry always writes as if he knows lots of knowledge and that he is better then yourself. Which i don't like. But he expresses alot of love for his films, even though most of the time (like his favourite movie list) he only likes the films that he thinks are going to be good or are world famous to make himself look better. I could never see him admitting that his favourite movie is some low budget film that not alot of ppl like. But he stil expresses alot of excitement and i can't lie and say that the review has got me excited to go see this film. But there are many better written reviews other places like www.empireonline.com and Chud and filmrot. But still the review was worth reading if only to see how excited Harry got again and how badly planned out and written the review is. But still AICn offers some good information on upcoming and in development films and i come here often, except most of the people working for AICN get confused and end up believing fakes alot of the time. Don't mean to be a pain, striker out!

  • June 28, 2004, 5:45 a.m. CST

    what was it flavor flav and chuck d said about believing the hyp

    by flawinthesystem

    anyone know when it comes out in Poland?

  • June 28, 2004, 5:59 a.m. CST

    SPIDER-MAN 2 RULES

    by el zar

    Raimi's great. It takes a fan to please the fans, but I'm sure non-readers will like it too.

  • June 28, 2004, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Very well done, Harry.

    by Cash Bailey

    No eighteen Amazon links in this one. The review itself? Didn't read it. I don't want to read anything about this movie.

  • June 28, 2004, 6:37 a.m. CST

    RE: The Enigmall

    by Rapmaster C

    Ok, so what're you're saying is that you kinda don't like this film. Have you even seen it yet, since many go on these talkbakcks and trash a movie before even seeing it. Spiderman has always had an aura of misery, even after he got married. Raimi is simply keeping with the classics, rather than Ultimate Spidey, which completely changes every storyline and has very bad artwork. Spidey looks anorexic in it.

  • June 28, 2004, 7:25 a.m. CST

    RE: Cloudrider

    by Rapmaster C

    Thank goodness for you - I was beginning to think no-one else noticed. Its the artwork which really bugged me, but the storyline changes are also puzzling. I prefer the classic, and I think Spiderman 2 will be an awesome film.

  • June 28, 2004, 7:34 a.m. CST

    ORDER

    by Marzipani

    Is the talkback order fixed yet?

  • June 28, 2004, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Gripping opening paragraph!

    by DadTimesTwo

    When a review starts out with, "Pops had to run my Granny up to San Antonio to the hospital for a check-up and I was going to have to wake up early in the morning," you know you're in for a great read. That's the kind of opening paragraph that really grabs the readers and makes them want to read more.

  • June 28, 2004, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Can someone who hated the first Arachnidhuman say if the second

    by SalvatoreGravano

    Because so far there've been only masturbatory, ahem, leaks and reviews from those who ejaculated over the first one, too. Second side's opinion is needed.

  • June 28, 2004, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Same as Spidy 1..... not that great

    by annarki1

    I didn't really like Spiderman , so , as the second one is the same, I didn't think it was very good. Doc Ock's motives where lame at best, and why do we need to have him redeem himself in the end? The whole love interest thing with MJ just doesn't seem right. And by movies end the only person who doesn't know Peter Parker is Spiderman is Bruce Campbell's "Snooty Usher". He and another appearance by Sam's Classic are the highlight's in a regulation popcorn summer blockbuster. See Shrek 2 again.

  • June 28, 2004, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Remind me never to go see a movie with Harry Knowles.

    by rev_skarekroe

    I can just envision him there, bouncing and giggling and sweating and spilling over the armrest into my seat while his yelling "play! play! play!" at the screen and refusing to take his nephew out for a diaper change. Not that he'd ever invite me, but you know. sk

  • June 28, 2004, 8:42 a.m. CST

    And another thing.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Is anyone else annoyed at the insistence of calling Dr. Octopus "Doc Ock"? Apparently that's the film villain's official name, and it's stupid. It's like if they only referred to the title character as "Spidey". Ah well. sk

  • June 28, 2004, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Who is first?

    by annarki1

  • June 28, 2004, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Unbreakable...

    by zer0cool2k2

    Was a steaming pile of Ass! And I hope this is the best comic book movie ever, considering most haven't been that great. Much as I loved the first Batman, it was still flawed, the original Superman was pretty good, X2 showed promise for that franchise, and hated as it was by most, Daredevil kept pretty close to the comic (with the main character anyway). The best comic book movie so far just might be "The Crow", though. And BTW, Kirsten can be kinda' cute, she's just not the uber-hottie that MJ is supposed to be.

  • June 28, 2004, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Hmmm "I didn't really like Spiderman , so , as the second one is

    by SamFisher

    Thats a great reason for not liking the movie Annarki1, a gem of a review to be sure. Funny though, only a few lucky people have managed to catch the advanced/preview screenings of this film in the US yet you find someone showing it in Australia. Amazing!! At first I thought you were full of shit but the fact that you dropped a couple of spoilers about the movie and you mentioned "Snooty Usher" makes you all the more believable. Just because all the info you came out with is common fucking knowledge and is all over discussion boards here and at places like imdb is pure coincedence....you TOSSER!!

  • June 28, 2004, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Our great power is the ability to choose and change our life. O

    by Shigeru

    And Enigmall, I do believe you don't know what you're talking about.

  • June 28, 2004, 9:27 a.m. CST

    HARRY, YOU ARE QUITE SIMPLY..A BEAN

    by SIR-SLEDGE450

    Your a big gay bear,a fucking knob jockey.Your just a loser.Words dont exisit to sum up how much i despise you,and what a waste of space your abused,overflowing body is.So ill make one up. Rubber-munhkin.Lard arse.

  • June 28, 2004, 10:27 a.m. CST

    In other news...

    by Vance Castaway

    Scientists in the Greater Austin, Texas area reported a large seismic event early this morning, registering a 6.3 on the Richter scale. As of now, the experts are still baffled as to what would trigger such enormous seismic activity, in an area not known to contain any natural fault-lines. Developing...

  • June 28, 2004, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Wow, a Spider-Man review without the name GWEN STACY written som

    by My Ass Smells

    GOOD! Its about fucking time. Maybe Harry isnt such a stupid mother fucker after all.

  • June 28, 2004, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Why mention a Conquistador?

    by jointherangers

    Sorry, but what does Vasco Nu

  • June 28, 2004, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Harry - a man your size should piss BEFORE he showers, not after

    by Fish Tank

  • June 28, 2004, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Napolean Dynamite ad

    by riskebiz

    I saw Napolean Dynamite yesterday and it had to be one of the worst movies I've ever seen. It was trying soooooo hard to be a Wes Anderson film that it hurt to watch it because the filmmakers don't know what makes a Wes Anderson film work. Napolean Dynamite had zero redeeming qualities. Terrrible movie with completely unlikeable characters.

  • June 28, 2004, 11:25 a.m. CST

    he had to come down eventually

    by neckbone

    so the "big red one's" alarm clock goes off and he's 'vibrating 5 feet above his bed', and the midwest reports a 4.5 magnitude quake. hmmm... sounds like a thesis in the making.

  • June 28, 2004, 11:34 a.m. CST

    vance castaway

    by neckbone

    damn, you beat me to the punch. it was almost too easy. i did forget to put in my 2 cents - spiderman I was like tea-bagging with a quisinart.

  • June 28, 2004, 11:34 a.m. CST

    What About The Screenwriter?

    by Bugzy

    Certainly high priase is deserved all around and certainly film is a "directors medium" and Raimi deserves the most praise for bring the vision together but to not even mention Alvin Sargent is astonishing. He started with a blank piece of paper and suffered through heaven knows how man idiot producers and created on 120 pages or so --- this story! Come on Harry... Give the man his props.

  • June 28, 2004, 11:34 a.m. CST

    WOW....

    by shamalamadingdog

    But Harry what about your inner 9 year old? Was there Dead Raped Deer? Does Toby McGuire really say "Crazy Fucking White People?" Enquiring minds want to know!!!!

  • How I LOATHE her

  • June 28, 2004, 11:50 a.m. CST

    My wife and I plan to see it on opening day, Wednesday. WISH US

    by JDanielP

  • June 28, 2004, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Question:

    by Dolph

    Where did Spidey get his finished costume from in the first Spiderman? Now, I know that I should suspend my disbelief, but to go from his pyjama home-job to that uber-cool professional costume just made me question it....

  • June 28, 2004, 11:55 a.m. CST

    One Thing...

    by Gilkuliehe

    Something has always bugged me. You know that scene in BIG? When Tom Hanks wakes up surprised to be a grown-up? He goes to school to find his friend, right? Well the friend is in gym class and right when he sees Hanks is saying he's his friend Josh, the kid screams COUCH WILLIAMS!!!!!! in agonizing terror. Well check this shit, NOBODY GOES TO HELP HIM, not couch Williams, not a classmate, nobody! Man that kid would've got so raped. Gilkuliehe has spoken.

  • June 28, 2004, 12:12 p.m. CST

    by simongarth2001

    I remember the hype from the first film....everyone at AICN praised it...and , to me, it wasn't all that great at all. Not terrible, but nowhere near what the hype was saying. So, I am trying not to get my hopes up on this one. This praise and hype on this puppy is sounding too perfect. I will see for myself tomorrow night. Having said that, I hope it rocks..I hope it breaks all sorts of records....then BRING ON THE FF BABY!!!!

  • June 28, 2004, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Found a gripe

    by ChickenGeorgeVII

    WHERE THE HELL ARE THE OVERLY LARGE BOOBTASTIC HOROINES????? MAN CANNOT MATUBATE TO ACTION SCENES ALONE!!!....And thus, I really got tanked for lunch! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!

  • June 28, 2004, 12:28 p.m. CST

    neckbone...

    by Vance Castaway

    Sorry, my friend. I haven't posted here at AICN in about 4 years, but when Harry lobs softballs like that, well, you can't help but take a swing... having an actual tremor recorded in the Mid-West this morning was only the sweetest icing possible... Peace p.s. tea-bagging in a cuisinart?... you're a sick, sick puppy... ;)

  • June 28, 2004, 12:28 p.m. CST

    neckbone...

    by Vance Castaway

    Sorry, my friend. I haven't posted here at AICN in about 4 years, but when Harry lobs softballs like that, well, you can't help but take a swing... having an actual tremor recorded in the Mid-West this morning was only the sweetest icing possible... Peace p.s. tea-bagging in a cuisinart?... you're a sick, sick puppy... ;)

  • June 28, 2004, 12:35 p.m. CST

    As long as Ebert has been mentioned...

    by CountVonGroovy

    This is frankly off topic, but Harry mentioned it so I wanted to say this: what the hell is up with Ebert? Has the weight loss been a logic loss, too? Never mind his tendency towards unchecked hyperbole lately: "Spider-man 2 is the best superhero movie I've ever seen!", "Charlize Theron gives one of the best performances in the history of the cinema!", "'The Passion of the Christ' is the violentest movie I've ever seen!", etc. His movie sense seems damaged. So The Fellowship of the Ring (Ebert review: 3 stars) is essentially on the same level, ie. merely as good as both Garfield and the Tomb Raider sequel (Ebert reviews: 3 stars). Riiiiiiighttt. Just wait until Catwoman comes out and his raging hard-on for Halle Berry results in the only positive review for the film in the civilized world. It saddens me because Ebert's reviews were one of my first windows into film fandom, but now he seems inconsistent and anal. And oh, yeah, Spidey Part Deux looks groovy, though there really needs to be a scene where someone calls him a pussy and Spidey retorts with, "Am I tough? Listen, bud! I've got radioactive blood!" Oh, sorry, it's "genetically engineered" now. Nice to know that Spidey is now a product of stem-cell research...

  • June 28, 2004, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Who the fuck is Couch Williams? A strange superhero with a tende

    by IAmJacksUserID

    Friend of Flash Thompson?

  • June 28, 2004, 1:58 p.m. CST

    talkback content/open letter to Harry himself

    by lachface

    I've been visiting this site for a while and used to post in days past but stopped because of the content held within. Although this talk back section is an admirable pursuit it seems to have become the den for a number of people to do one of two useless things. 1) talk about how much they want to see the movie (doesn't bring anything to the table) and 2) Bitch about a movie without solid reasons to back up their opinions, which leaves this reader wondering if they saw the movie or if they are in fact wasting everyones time by bitching about it for attention. Striker88 brought up some good points about the content as of talkback as well (I'm not sure about his comments on AICN itself). I think that he and I share the same opinion that this area of the site should be for actual conversation as to the merits or shortcomings of a film, free of individuals who feel it necessary to remove their cybertalia to beat someone else over the head with it on the grounds of differing opinion (perhaps try a civilized, formulated argument rather then swearing and ad hominum). I became interested in talk back at first because I thought it would lead to actual discussion, an online, worldwide geek-out that would respectably disscuss films pros and cons, not read someone typing "fuck" as many times as possible. Since he used to be so fond of them himself, consider this an open letter to Harry to take a more active hand in guiding disscussion and limiting the number of useless posts. I think that then you will have a lot more relevant engaging discussions. (with those that just say that they want to see a movie, hat's great, I don't need to hear it, what about your opinion as to wether the spiderman 2 movie offers yet another step forward in believable character CG and e-mail Harry on the side telling him how much you want to see this movie)

  • June 28, 2004, 2 p.m. CST

    The Crow movie was almost as bad as the comic book

    by CuervoJones

    Crap for goth kids "oh my girlfriend is dead -insert Poe

  • June 28, 2004, 2:01 p.m. CST

    I disliked the first one, thought it bit off of Burton's Batman

    by Mr. Profit

    I thought the hot air balloon scene was much like the parade in Batman 1. And Mary Jane in the rain being cornered by thugs just make me think "Vicki Vale". But I hope this one is good though. But 2 films into Spidey and no Venom? I just hope if they do make part 3 about Venom, some skinny little guy doesn't play him. And why does Kiersten Dunst look so old and tired in the trailers?

  • June 28, 2004, 2:19 p.m. CST

    I saw the Hollywood premiere last week...

    by DarthCorleone

    The movie is very good, but I didn't think it was much better than the first one. I'm a little mystified by these extreme raves. If you've seen the trailer, you know every single plot point. I wanted more to happen, and there were few if any one-liners worthy of General Zod. Still, the battles were well done, and I was entertained.

  • June 28, 2004, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Spidey 2 and Harry hate

    by SaintofKillers

    Firstley, I have no doubt in my mind that Spider-man 2 will be one of the greatest movie experiences of the summer, if not the last few years, and secondley, thers a lot of hate aimed towards Harry on these boards, and I dont see why. What's he done to you? Beaten up your grandma? I don't see what anyones got against him, he's just someone passionate about movies, not the fucking antichrist so whats with the attitude? He doesn't seem a bad guy, and if you disagre with his opinions, fine, speak out, but theres no need to get as personal as some off you get, diffrent if someone is a real asshole, then it's open season in terms of piss-taking, but to attack someone verbally with no provacation is just wrong, -The Saint

  • June 28, 2004, 2:59 p.m. CST

    SmellmoreLeonard

    by JacksonsBane

    Oh yes everyone look at ElmoreLeonard for being sooo big and clever at stretching the Talkback. I'd personally love to pluck out your eyeballs and piss on your brain.

  • June 28, 2004, 3:02 p.m. CST

    This was one helluva hilarious review!

    by Lord_Soth

    I laughed so hard at the intro, it almost did hurt. Yeah, whatever, you are a geek, Harry. :-)

  • June 28, 2004, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, Let me see, what am I about to say...

    by Lost Skeleton

    "2" 6/30/04 I'm so predictable.

  • June 28, 2004, 4 p.m. CST

    to cloudrider and others who disagree...

    by lachface

    let me clarify. I don't want an elitest group. Half the time their the ones i get mad at. I'm just annoyed with some of the posts that add absolutely nothing. I was under the impression that the talkback section was for movie discussion and opinion, not for people to fight for scraps of attention or a feeling of self worth by posting here. I want to talk movies, i want it to be fun, I want there to be freedom in what we can say up until it becomes useless or abusive. Maybe harry should check the posts more often (I saw one post that had nothing to do with movies and was just being abusive of harry) I don't know what the answer is, i just wish that somehow some of the more pointless posts could be removed and the people posting here show some discression. It fine to swear, fuck sometimes it feels great. But just because no one cares doesn't mean you have to use the words in every possible way. That's juvinile and detracts from whatever point that person was trying to make and poorly represents the group to casual observers. As for some actual movie opinion on spiderman 2 (as thats why we're all here) I hope that it does show a return to the typical Raimi style. When I saw the first spiderman i thought he had sold out and had to go watch the evil dead trilogy and darkman just to regain a vestige of my previous faith. Besides that from the trailer i can tell that the tentacle effects look excellent, but spidey in the bus is very obviously CG (something I have a problem with, I think CG should be used subtlely) And is it just me or does the Doc ock in the spiderman cartoons (the series from the 90's) look like elton john?

  • June 28, 2004, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Lynxpro, don't even bother trying to use sane logic on people li

    by Triumph poops!

    But you're right. Pure, simple, easy to understand logic dictates that for all the bullshit and hyperbole that someone like Zombie tosses out that Americans "hate" Bush, funny how someone like him can't answer an INCREDIBLY easy question: Namely, if Americans actually "hated" Bush so much, then why is the race a statistical deadheat in every poll taken? Coming off the primary elections, Kerry held a 22 point lead over Bush -- not double digit like 10 or 11, but fucking 22 -- and he's now lost it ALL. As of today, they're dead even. On some days Kerry up by 2 or so points, but then on some days Bush by up 2 or so points. Both so tied that they're both still in the margin of error. USA TODAY last week ran a great article that basically summed it up by noting that if the election were held right now, tonight, the media still couldn't call it till the actual voting was over because the signs are there for EITHER to win. So again, your observation is right. If people "hated" Bush, Kerry would have such a steady and truly commanding lead -- well in the double digits again where the first digit isn't even a one. But he DOESN'T, so nitwits like Zombie just have to continue their ridiculous ranting and spreading their own hate propaganda, as if telling us that people "hate" Bush will make it so -- or at least in their own feeble minds. From his love for FAHRENHEIT, apparently Zombie believes in practicing the patented Michael Moore tactic that it doesn't matter if you have actual facts to back you up -- so long as you "say" something is true and say it often enough or loud enough, then it must be true. I tell you, the Democrats/Liberals have truly lost it this time around. All pretext of civility in this election is gone, and the only good thing is that when Bush wins in November these guys are going to have to eat shit for the next 4 years, and it'll be a pleasure to watch given how hate-filled and lameass they've become. Oh yeah, on topic, no question SPIDEY 2 will rule -- I can't wait to see it. And best of all, there's no question it'll open to blockbuster proportions which means it'll push FAHRENHEIT off the media scope. SPIDEY hype and craze will bury that worthless piece of shit and reduce any attention it's getting -- so thanks, Spider-man! You saved the neighborhood again!

  • June 28, 2004, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Commercial Spoiler, WHY!?!??!

    by Rcamacho2278

    I do not understand why Trailer #1 does a good job hyping up the dilemna of spiderman getting unmasked, and then in the most recent trailer, Fucks you up by showing he is indeed unmasked and carried away. WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY DO THIS?!??!

  • June 28, 2004, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Unbreakable was AMAZING

    by neovsmatrix

    and still the best movie that deals with comic books of all time. Its particular claim to fame is the way it merged the Eastern philosophy namely Vedanta with the Western comic book form. I'm really looking forward to Spider-man 2 though. I hope it's nowhere nearly as cheesy as the first one was because there are so many unintentionally hilarious moments in that movie. I liked it, but I can't bear to watch it more than 2-3 times.

  • June 28, 2004, 6:40 p.m. CST

    can't...wait...for...movie...

    by tango fett

    As I did with Star Wars Episode I and the Matrix Sequels, I'm giving into the hype, even though I don't really want to because then the movie may suck (I love the Matrix movies, but Ep. 1 was just awesome when I was 9, but then when you think about it, all the Star Wars movies are pretty goofy...Ep 1 just happened to be UBER-goofy). Now that we're past my brief stint of ADD, on to Spiderman. Alfred Molina as Doctor Octopus is imho the best comic book villain I've seen on screen. Is he totally accurate to the comics? No. Does he have a German accent? No. Does he have a ridiculous bowl-cut and green and orange spandex? Hell no, wouldn't work. As for Kirsten Dunst being ugly as some have said...I wouldn't go THAT far. She's not super hot like, say, Angelina Jolie, but she's alright. Cheerio

  • June 28, 2004, 7:28 p.m. CST

    spiderman spiderman does whatever a spider can

    by Babba-Booey

    the million dollar question. Does he slip his radio active bug into MJ's dampness?

  • June 28, 2004, 8:02 p.m. CST

    most useless review ever

    by carouselambra

    Seriously, who didn't expect this review from Harry? He probably wrote half of it as soon as the first movie was over.

  • June 28, 2004, 8:23 p.m. CST

    OMGWTFBBQ

    by AlwaysThere

    How can anybody be surprised by his gushing over this or anyone elses for that matter. It'll most likely end up with 98 to 100% on RottenTomatoes.

  • June 28, 2004, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Right back at you Lnyxpro. And since you brought up Teresa Kerry

    by Triumph poops!

    ...I love that the LA TIMES has actually gotten off their ass and done some investigative digging into her financial holdings this week (guess the TIMES is falling back on the traditional route, realizing that no matter what, controversy and scandal sells papers) and was shocked to report that Heinz' wealth was in fact far greater than anyone had dared to predict. Most thought she was worth about $500 million -- but it now turns out she cleaned up in certain stock investments and other dealings, and is (as you mentioned) close to being worth the full ONE BILLION. Given that, no wonder she's totally resistant about releasing her tax records alongside her husband's still (ala GWB and Laura or the Cheneys) since her filing for this past year showed -- that despite being worth a BILLION dollars -- she actually paid LESS in taxes last year than either her husband or Bush or the Cheneys, all of whom are only worth a fraction of her wealth. So much for the Kerry cry that the rich don't pay their fair share, huh? In fact, if Kerry wins in November, he'd be the RICHEST President in history (the previous was Herbert Hoover, in today's dollars he was worth an estimated $88 million while President). When you realize the man came from a privileged background to begin with... married into more money with his first wife (worth over $100 million)... and now has a second wife worth a full BILLION... owns 7 multi-million dollar homes across the country... and is ALSO ranked as the Senate's NUMBER ONE recipient in dollars collected of special interest money, all of that combined certainly makes his daily campaign claim about being one with the "average" American and the economic hardships they face rather tinny and hollow sounding. And an utter crock.

  • June 28, 2004, 9:14 p.m. CST

    DOWN WITH bUSH!!!!!

    by Russman

    Go see F9/11 and join up to remove Smirkey the Monkey and his evil goons from the White House. Down with bush!!!

  • June 28, 2004, 10:16 p.m. CST

    BLADE 3 TRAILER AT MSN. BUT IT'S NOT QUICKTIME...

    by el zar

    Check it out

  • June 28, 2004, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Nice review, Harry. Fingers crossed, this movie's gonna make the

    by Commando Cody

    Normally I'd be cautious about heaping too much praise, but so far everything about SPIDERMAN 2 has just felt and looked way better than the first (which I enjoyed just the same). The good news is that so many rock solid reviews are coming out praising this as truly being bigger and bolder and better. So let's keep our fingers crossed...can't wait for the weekend where we'll all find out for ourselves. And after seeing DAY AFTER TOMORROW, all I can say is thank Heavens Sony came to their senses and made sure they got this right and got Maguire back, rather than slipping in Jake who would've been a far lesser Parker and Spidey. I think it'll be clear after this one that Maguire's locked the persona and made the character his and his alone.

  • June 28, 2004, 10:42 p.m. CST

    And since politics entered a Spidey talkback (?), Zombie Problem

    by Commando Cody

    Adjust the web address for spaces since I didn't want a long URL that might screw up the Talkback...oh, wait, a moron above already did that in a lameass attempt to look clever. IDIOT. Thanks for making it so every post has to be scrolled and read like a friggin' news ticker. Anyway, Zombie, since you were bragging that "at least Kerry has the lead" read it and weep. The headline says it all. AP: "BUSH RUNNING EVEN WITH KERRY. President Bush has pulled back into a tie with Democrat John Kerry in a CBS News-New York Times poll released Monday, apparently boosted by increasing optimism about the economy. In May, Kerry had led Bush by 8 percentage points in a two-way matchup." http: //news.yahoo.com /news?tmpl=story&u= /ap/20040629 /ap_on_el_pr /campaign_poll

  • June 28, 2004, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Thanks for mentioning the T-Rex / King Kong fight

    by zinc_chameleon

    Because it really is one of the best. I hope to God that Peter Jackson can top the original; that's why I gave him a helpful hint or two. I won't be surprised if some of what I said shows up on screen. Synchronicity and all that.

  • June 28, 2004, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Spiderman 2

    by Remnant

    I just got back from an advanced screening of Spiderman 2. To all those who insist on being negative little crapheads before even seeing this film, here is what I have to say. I realize Harry has the tendency to go fatally overboard on some of his positive reviews, making some movies out to be the next best thing since Christ himself, BUT...this time out, he's right. Spiderman 2 was simply an amazing film. It's much, much more than just a collection of the "ive seen it all before" type CGI action scenes. This movie had HEART man. And every action sequence was fresh, innovative, and loaded with MEANINING...that is to say, they served a much greater purpose other than to just give the film a sense of spectacle. This movie was miles ahead of the first film in every concievable way. Acting, story, dialoge, effects were all of a much higher caliber this time out. I can pretty much guarantee most of you will see it more than once, as will I. I believe in it that much.

  • June 28, 2004, 11:21 p.m. CST

    the first time i have ever seen 100% on rotten tomatoes(i know i

    by cornstalkwalker

  • June 29, 2004, 12:23 a.m. CST

    SalvatoreGravano: Ebert hated the first one, loved the second on

    by Mosquito March

  • June 29, 2004, 12:26 a.m. CST

    I'll match Moviemack's BATMAN screenplay offer.

    by Mosquito March

    Anybody who wants a copy of the first draft that Moviemack is continually trashing, email me and I'll send it to you.

  • June 29, 2004, 1:22 a.m. CST

    This is shaping up to be one of the worst films of the year...

    by cherrycola

    And I'll tell you why. They have taken a character that is loved by fans and general comic lovers alike and bastardized it to the point of being un-recognizable. Don't get me wrong, I may check it out later on after the crowds have died down and I'll post my review then. All of you praising this movie should be ASHAMED of yourselves and are not allowed to read ANY comic books EVER again!!!! How dare you people praise this movie when you KNOW it's going to SUCK??! The studio FUCKED it up because the studio is populated with a bunch of rich, overpaid and coke sniffing movie execs who don't care what you THINK. And another thing for you assholes....is...wait, is this the talkback for catwoman? Ooops, my bad. :D Yeah, spiderman is gonna rock.

  • June 29, 2004, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Dammit!!! why does harry continue to allow talkbacks to be stret

    by cherrycola

    why? WHY?? ARGHH!!!!!!! He's too busy sitting at his hope chest with a sniffer of cognac writing love letters to quentin tarantino by candlelight and pausing every once in a while to gaze longingly out the window at the stars in the night and sigh to himself whilst the sounds of "only the lonely" by roy orbinson quiver from his phonograph player. goddammit harry...fix the goddamn talkback.

  • June 29, 2004, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Naw, Ebert really has lost the touch - let's deal with that firs

    by nazismasher

    Way to assume yourself to be the only one to read Roger Ebert's columns, Ancient Lights. Hey, I still think he is a terrific writer and always a fascinating read, but whatever his justification I cannot see how one can praise movies like Tomb Raider, Fast and the Furious, XXX even if considered exclusively within their own genre (for that matter, what genre would they even occupy - trash? I suppose you could argue that they are good in comparison to classics like "Steel", "Kazaam" and "Street Fighter"). No, these and many others should have been gimmies, easy pickings, no brainers and as much as I still find his critiques worthwile and relevant for the most part, the overall quality (giving way to Hollywood hype, leniency towards obviously bad mavies and flip-flopping between articles) has not nearly been the same since Jene Siskel passed away. I clearly think his authority has diminished accordingly amongst discerning film goers and even the general public which even vaguely recognizes that something special disappeared when his collaboration with Jene ended. He's still "A" good critic. Just not "The" critic he once was and probably not even on "The" list anymore of great contemporary critics. Arguably on a top 15 - 20 list of those working today.

  • June 29, 2004, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Triumph Poops: please explain one thing to me...

    by Mr. Waturi

    Your statement: "she actually paid LESS in taxes last year than either her husband or Bush or the Cheneys, all of whom are only worth a fraction of her wealth. So much for the Kerry cry that the rich don't pay their fair share, huh?" Actually, it sounds to me like Kerry is right since his wife didn't pay her fair share, either. I know, maybe we should give her a tax break! It's sad that in America, home of freedom and opportunity, that we only have two choices for president. Me, I'm voting for anybody but that divisive dimwit we have now.

  • June 29, 2004, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Ballache cum Tosser

    by annarki1

    Ballache, are you just a big stupid Yank. There is a world out there just as important as the US. Australia will get Spidy before you because of the time difference. And yes I have seen Spiderman with about 200 people at one of the cinema's showing previews lucky enough to get free tickets. Suck it in and shit it out. You think you are great to poo poo others but your just jealous. A big fat spackling sack of tossed semen.

  • June 29, 2004, 9:54 a.m. CST

    "I wake up every morning humming tunes and giddy"

    by thegoldencalf

    i wake up wishing i hadn't.

  • June 29, 2004, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Which Spiderman Villan most sums up Ronald Reagan for you?

    by Trevor Goodchild

    Time to replace that survey with 'Which Villan For Spidey 3?'.

  • June 29, 2004, 11:47 a.m. CST

    So far no Rotten's on Rotten Tomatoes

    by Mr. Profit

    So is that a good or bad sign? http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/SpiderMan2-1133520/ I will check the movie and hope it blows the original away.

  • June 29, 2004, noon CST

    Email I sent to McWeenyandnunz

    by Critch Starblade

    One question, not a flame or anything, since your opinion is obviously set and cannot be changed. Why do you keep coming back to the site? You're not changing anyone's mind, you're just being an annoyance, and kind of a prick. So you think Harry's site sucks, and apparently every other site on the internet sucks except your own, so what? Wonderful thing about the internet, is freedom of choice. You don't like it, you don't have to come back. Unless you just want to troll, which I think is the real reason, and that isn't working, because you're just coming off as the Michael Moore of the movie-news internet, someone who might have a good point, but it's buried in bias and general disdain so deep that anyone with any sense ignores your posts entirely. And cross-posting to every thread just dilutes your point even further. I've even seen your diatribe over on C.H.U.D., but since you tend to disappear over there because their message board operators actually give a damn about that section of the site, I guess you gave that up, prefering to hide behind a site with no redeeming qualities except to baselessly and crudely insult others because of their success. I mean, saying that C.H.U.D. and Aintitcool.com are going downhill.....Jesus! Nick is on CNN, Harry and crew obviously have no problems running their events, getting into whatever movie premieres they wish... You have the adacity (sic?) to attack things like AICN's message board, yet yours is pretty much the same five people discussing how to change your IP to sneak in and use the message boards on other sites to get around a well deserved IP ban, all to get your posts removed in short order, making yourselves the mosquitoes of the internet, small, annoying, and easily swatted. I think the main reason that you keep coming back to AICN is basically because they don't block IP's, they don't block much of anything, and they are easy targets. Or maybe you're just frustrated because you sent Harry/Nick links or reviews or 'scoops' and they went unprinted. I don't know. If it's just trolling, good job, it worked. You're truly the saddest person on the internet. Your site, after a bit of looking around, despite having a fairly good design, is filled with such obvious jealousy. For example, AICN's and CHUD's obsession for a time was HELLBOY, an excellent comic book adaption of good quality and action. You don't like it, fair enough, except you seem to not like it just because THEY liked it. Going so far as to release "Movies that made more money than Hellboy". Must make you mad that we're getting Hellboy 2, then. It's this kind of ignorant hatred which will forever taint your presence on the net, and everywhere you go on the net instead of 'spreading the truth' as you think you are accomplishing, instead you will be seen as a jealous, comparatively insignificant peon, delegated to the back waters of the internet along with NAMBLA and that guy in the TRON outfit. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. --Chris Stephenson

  • June 29, 2004, 12:41 p.m. CST

    The movie was great! Bring on Spider-man 3 beeyatch's!!!

    by andrew coleman

    SP3 has to be the return of Green Goblin and Lizard I don't see how it can't be that. Also anyone who says SP2 sucked because they didn't like the first Spider-man is moron. If you don't see this movie you seriously need to like go punch yourself in the face. Oh man and Kirsten Dunst I want her to just go away. I watched an interview with her yesterday where she said after 3 movies she's done. What a bitch, she also didn't seem to know anything about Spider-man all she did was laugh and giggle

  • June 29, 2004, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Annarki1 - You talk out of your arse.

    by SamFisher

    Spewing forth copious amounts of bullshit. So you live in a time zone thats a month ahead do you? It doesn't open in the US 'till tommorow and by the time i write this it should just be about opening day in OZ. You ain't seen shit and you know just as much. Do us all a favour dickhead, go down to the beach and find a great white shark to play with. Oh and one more thing, i'm not American, although i'm going to love watching some of the Americans in here tear you to pieces for that comment you made in your last post. Piece of advice, Keep your hole shut in future, you'll look smarter.

  • June 29, 2004, 1:05 p.m. CST

    White Chicks Rule!

    by jodocus

    In black meadows the sky flames of green mischief!

  • June 29, 2004, 2:23 p.m. CST

    I for one...

    by Damer1

    didn't like anything about Batman & Robin

  • June 29, 2004, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Ugly? Me thinks ur a tart..

    by optimus122

    The girl is nice and thin , tall with real breasts and a cute face...I assume you are just gay so no use explaining any further.

  • June 29, 2004, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Can't friggin' wait to see the next one...

    by BOBtheCAT

    I completely agree with you Harry. This film was a cinematic masterpiece. I saw it last night at an advanced screening and I can't wait to see again later this week. This movie was perfect. Anyone that disagrees is a retarded mongoloid and I hope you die, 'cause if you can't enjoy this movie you've no place on this world. I have nothing else to say 'cause Harry summed it up perfectly.

  • June 29, 2004, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Ebert jizzes all over himself

    by ima biggun

  • June 29, 2004, 3:20 p.m. CST

    David Elliott doesnt like it

    by AlwaysThere

    No surprise here - http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20040629-9999-1c29spider.html

  • June 29, 2004, 5:18 p.m. CST

    That's all very well and good Triumph, BUT...

    by Alatar_Blue

    ... you do of course realize, being the astute student of political science that your posts indicate you so obviously consider yourself to be, that polls don't mean jack shit? Know anything about statistical analysis? You can basically make any set of polling numbers "say" whatever you want them to say; make it fit whatever your agenda happens to be. You guys crack me up, throwing around Bush's and Kerry's "Popularity Numbers" as if they actually MEAN something.

  • June 29, 2004, 6:19 p.m. CST

    This Review

    by RosyCrucifixion

    This review is long winded and tedious. Is this a first draft? Somebody needs to take a scalpel to this meandering mess, cut out the the rubbish, and then expand on the inspired moments in a second draft. When did Harry get the idea he could pawn off such medocrity on us?

  • June 29, 2004, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Foobler is a fucken fool

    by Rcamacho2278

    anybody who doesnt enjoy THIS movie should get another fucken hobby. anal fuck heads

  • June 29, 2004, 10:33 p.m. CST

    sorry, but i am strangley attracted to K. D.'s breasts

    by jawaburger

  • June 29, 2004, 10:35 p.m. CST

    just saying . . .

    by jawaburger

    . . . thats why so many people are seemingly attracted to her.

  • June 29, 2004, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Not THAT great

    by Moonrocks

    Okay. I read Spiderman religiously in the 70's and 90's and I read Strazinskys' stuff now. This movie dragged way too much with confused soul-searching scenes and convoluted love scenes. Having said that, The train fight rocked. Definitely, the best comic book fight scene since Superman 2. Doc Ock was also a great understated villain. My prediction for the 3rd movie villain is The Lizard. 'nuff said.

  • June 30, 2004, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Some thoughts on the first film

    by Neosamurai85

    Big flaws for me with the first Spider-Man: 1, the Music. Danny Elfman was ok but not his best work. That shitty Nickleback duet thing

  • June 30, 2004, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Garth Franklin NAILS it in his review

    by AlwaysThere

    http://www.darkhorizons.com/reviews/spider2n.php ------- In a summer where sequels are surprisingly proving to be not just the best of the season but the best of the year (ie. "Shrek 2", "Harry Potter 3"), "Spider-Man 2" manages to continue the trend by delivering one of the film highlights of the season. Yet there's something a bit off about this second adventure of the webslinger, a shift in the franchise's direction which some will applaud but others will be left a little perturbed by. The first film was a tour-de-force, a breathtaking comic book action movie with great characters, fun action and a real keen sense of its origins. Yet after a near perfect 'origin storyline' for its first act, up jumped a few nagging faults - mostly to do with the not so well-realised Green Goblin villain which consisted of either Willem Dafoe overacting or a guy in a green suit and Spidey having conversations without any of their features moving (as a result it felt kind of Power Rangers at times). The score and CG were also a little disappointing. The good news is the sequel fixes many of those problems - the action and villain are better in almost every way, the dynamic between Peter and Octavius both in human and superhero form is great, the effects are a lot better overall, the score hasn't improved much but it has its nice quirks like a little tip to "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head" in a scene guaranteed to generate a smile. The bad news is while the flawed elements of the first film have been fixed, other elements which worked well have been altered. The result is, much like last month's "Troy", short of one or two highlights I found myself nearly falling asleep several times during the first hour of this film. Between a great opening action sequence involving pizza delivery to the Doc Ock origin scene, there's literally 40 minutes of the first hour of Peter essentially whinging about how his responsibility to the hero mantle is destroying his personal life on financial, social and romantic levels. In essence one's enjoyment of the first hour will depend heavily upon one's feelings of the actors who spend long amounts of time staring off into space teary eyed or bitterly complaining about their lot in the world (apparently having superpowers and being good-looking are a real curse). It's standard talky character drama which is fine but Raimi seems asleep at the wheel at times and so whereas the first film was a brilliant example of pacing, much of this grinds to a halt for long periods and characters like 'Ock' appear and disappear with little explanation. The end result is essentially two movies struggling to co-exist, one a morose "Dawson's Creek" style teen romance drama and the other a great big superhero action movie. They gel better than expected but they never truly mix. Girls are probably going to get a lot more out of than the last one, but the core teen male audience which the film is designed for aren't going to find this particularly compelling even with the great action scenes - there's just too much useless filler at times, especially in the early parts. Much of it is designed to show Parker's human side, a feat which sometimes works (the lack of webbing due to stress), but at other times his stubborn attitude is so frustrating that even in the comic book world it stretches the limits of credibility. Laughs try and buoy up some scenes such as a cute moment in an elevator and little in-jokes, but it's not enough to counter act the drag of all the self-pity going on. There's a resemblance in a way to "Batman Returns", an admittedly more mature and well-crafted movie than its predecessor but not as widely appealing or engagingly fun and in some ways kind of depressing. "Spider-Man 2" in many ways is an even more mood downer than 'Returns' was (and no performance in Spidey 2 can begin to approach Pfieffer's Catwoman). Just when one is about to write this off as a solid but average escapade, the last act of the film comes back with a vengeance - the action ramps up to one of the truly best sequences I've seen on screen in a long time (the tower/train bit), and the drama finally turns from wandering self-doubt and pointless conversations to characters actually becoming assertive and making big decisions about their future that will forever change the way they interact with each other. If much of the first two-thirds of the film was about going through the motions, the last 40 minutes is the real payoff and sets up what promises to be one hell of a third film. So while the script is a little problematic and the pacing off, much of the film's assets are as good as, if not better than ever. Maguire and Dunst in particular shine far more than they did in the first movie, Molina makes for a splendid bad guy - purpose driven but not over the top, and Harris as the Aunt gets some great stuff too. Franco has a bit more range this time, but feels a little awkward with some scenes. JK Simmons is pitch perfect again as J. Jonah Jameson, but while the character gets more screen time he's nowhere near as fun as his turn in the first film. Gillies is fine as the hunky new love of Kirsten's life, but never gets much development so we don't really get to explore much about him. Dylan Baker, Bruce Campbell and Donna Murphy are a delight in small roles. With much of the same production team too, the film not only fits design wise perfectly with the last one, but nicely expands into other areas. Raimi deliciously tips a hat to his "Evil Dead" days with a very violent and graphic sequence in a hospital. The look of Doc Ock is superbly realised, the arms element used to great effect. The swinging through the buildings trick feels and looks far more real this time. There's also a great cameo at the end which leads into an easy setup for Film #3. There's plenty of praise to be said about "Spider-Man 2" which when it's good is great, but unlike the first where one walked out jazzed - this time you'll come out somewhat morose. It's not as exciting as the first or the likes of say "X2" or the first two "Batman" films, but overall its a solid superhero movie with some memorable moments.

  • June 30, 2004, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Just Got Back From First (Midnight) Show...

    by ZeroCorpse

    It was excellent. Better than I expected, and worth the hype. It's Spider-Man as he should be. It's not "Ultimate" Spider-Man, but good old fashioned Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. The villain potential for the next several films is astonishing. We've already had mention of Eddie (Brock) in the first one, and we meet Doc Connners in this one, as well as John Jameson who ends the movie looking a little P.O.d about something. There's three villains right there (Venom, Lizard, and Man-Wolf, though I can't believe they'd use Man-Wolf as a main villain, ever.) Of course there's also the obvious which I won't mention because of spoilers. I have no doubt they can keep Spider-Man going for another 5 films as long as Raimi (or someone as daring and caring as he is) stays at the helm and avoids Schumakerizing the franchise. THANK GOODNESS Tim Burton didn't direct the Spider-Man franchise! Thank goodness McG is nowhere near this, either! Raimi does the series proud, and I'm definitely seeing it again!

  • June 30, 2004, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Just got back from a midnight show....

    by JAGUART

    and Harry's review is spot on. Spiderman 2 is wonderful. I'm no comic book fan, but this film is pure joy and is gonna make a mint.

  • June 30, 2004, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Once again the reviews are wrong (click for a real review)

    by IndustryKiller

    After seeing this film I'm convinced that comic books cannot be successfully translated to film. You can get elements but not the whole shebang. Spider Man 2 is the perfect example of that. God where to begin. First of all it should have been illegal for them to push Doctor Octopus as the villain of this film. The real villain of the film is.......*cue music* Peter Parker's bad luck!!!! Over nad over and over and over and over and over and over and over again we are reminded that Peter has it tough. If I had a penny for every time some small or huge thing goes wrong for him in this film I would be a very rich man. Very rich. At some point I can only assume Sam Raimi went "Since the audience will be consisted largely of idiots with IQs roughly between 4 and 5 I think we need to add at least 70 more scenes of Peter being fucked so they get what I'm trying to say." WE FUCKING GET IT RAIMI MOVE ON!!!!! There are literally entire chunks of this film dedicated to showing how horrible Peters life is. I think chained together they are literally about an hour and a half of the movie. It's probably around the first 17 years of problems in the comic shoved into one film. What is missing in these scenes? You got it: Spider Man. Valuable Spider Man time just ticks by while we are forced to watch sadistically as Peter gets his ass whooped by life....not Doctor Octopus. I know what the morons are gonna say "These are valuable character development scenes IK! You are such a n00b!!" Well you would be wrong. No characters develop. I love character development probably more than you do, but it doesn't happen here. Mary Jane stays confused/angry at Peter, Harry stays confused/angry at Peter, Aunt May stays confused/angry at Peter albiet in that sweet old lady way, hell even Peter himself remains confused/angry at his own behavior. They remain that way right up until the very end of the film. They all run in place for two excruciating hours. This might be tolerable if the dialogue wasn't some of the worst I have ever heard. Didn't we get these same "What it takes to be a hero" speeches in the first movie? Why is there like 50 of them in this one? In Mary Janes case you could replace every speck of dialogue with either "Don't you love me Peter?" or "What's wrong with you Peter?" and the outcome would have ben identical. She says the same thing again and again and again. Poor Doctor Octopus. Visually he is fucking amazing. Everything else is eh. I love how when he snaps out of his coma he is still good ol' Otto Octavious but in the next scene he is a wanton destroying machine, willing to kill anyone in his path. Absolutely no information is given to warrant that transformation. Saying he wants to finish his machine or that the arms talk to him is not sufficient. He is a good and decent man even after the accident and is all of the sudden a maniac at the bank willing to kill innocent people, I am calling shennanigans. Thats ok God knows he's hardly in the movie. We get two awesome fight sequences yes but his actions carry absolutely no weight and have no effect on Peter until the end of the film. Even then I don't think he made any lasting impressions. He is simply there so Raimi can make his faux character piece without the fans getting uppity. What was with that Peter losing his powers bullshit. Ok it was from stress. He didn't seem too stressed after he gave up his powers so why in that burning building and afterwards was he completely powerless? It was a retarded plot point to begin with made even more ridiculous by the fact that it seems to come and go just to suit Raimi's needs. People will still like this film and I'll tell you why, they are gullible. The last 15 minutes of this movie are indeed pretty fucking awesome and they will leave the idiots thinking that they have just witnessed a better film than they actually have. Oh well I suppose thats it for now. I'm sure there is alot more but it's mad fucking late so I'm off. I can't wait to read what lame excuses people have drummed up in an attempt to counterpoint this.

  • June 30, 2004, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Disappointing

    by Integra

    Just saw midnight screening. This movie is one small part "Superman 2" (cool!) mixed with one LARGE part "Titanic" (BAD!!). WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAyyyyyyy too much introspective sappy lovey dovey in this one. It also backtracks. It ignores where the characters were at the end of the first film (MJ's Kiss at the funeral and its implication). This is a love story with a superhero movie occuring in the background. It needed at least 2 more action setpieces. It drags horribly for about 40 minutes. I goto a superhero movie, I want action. Not corny speeches by parkers loved ones and him furrowing his brow for 2 hours. This is something X2 got right. first movie establishes character and motivations/moral dilemnas, second movie should GET ON WITH IT (X2 did). Doc Ock felt like a secondary character who just pops up to move the LOVE STORY forward.

  • June 30, 2004, 3:55 a.m. CST

    If you want Action...Wrong Flick

    by BLADE

    If you want to see Peter Parker get shit on by life for an 1 hour and 30 minutes, go see this movie. If you want to see Peter Parker lose his powers but then gain them back cause he gets pissed, go see this movie.If you want to have no fucking idea why Doc Oc's arms want him to rebuild the machine so badly, go see this movie. If you want to see Kirsten Dunst and her droopy eye, go see this movie. If you want to see a horrible cameo of Willam Dafoe, go see this movie. If you want to see about 20 minutes of great action, go see this movie.

  • June 30, 2004, 4:12 a.m. CST

    by Almecius

    If you want to see an actual cinematic film, go see Spiderman 2. If you want a recycled action movie with no character development, rent the 1989 Punisher. Sorry Blade, I mean you no offense. I can see where your coming from. But this is one of the only films that I have walked away from this year 100% satisfied. The action scenes, although somewhat scattered, are still great. But the point of spiderman is to appeal to us individually. His comics aren't read just to see him beat up Doc Oc, Shocker or Rhino. They are also read to appeal to us all and show what the right thing to do is and act as a role model in a world that needs one VERY desperately. It takes much more time to convey that than it does to show a fight. If the movie was just action, nobody would care if Spidey won or lost. Just look at Batman and Robin. No character development = nobody caring about the movie.

  • June 30, 2004, 4:19 a.m. CST

    DAMN! That was great effin' movie.

    by slone13

    "Go get em, Tiger."

  • June 30, 2004, 4:29 a.m. CST

    just had to say...

    by repus_reteet

    don't usually talk-back here, but just walked in from a midnight screening and have to comment on something... as amazing as the battles between Doc Oc. and our hero were, was absolutely stunned into silence by how the romance between Parker and Mary-Jane had the audience cheering (you'll know). Only tonite did I realize just how much people really care about these characters...wow.

  • June 30, 2004, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Anyone who liked Spider-man 2 should stop giving their opnion on

    by IndustryKiller

    Because youa re easily amused. You are God Damned right it was flawed. I always laugh and grit my teeth when peopel say "Sure it was flawed but it's about as good as you're gonne get." Good as i'm gonna get? Fuck you. Excuse me for not wanting the film I have been waiting my whole life with one of my favorite characters of all time come out as flawed. We only get one shot at these characters like every 25 years before they can be reinvented again so when they fuck them up I tend to take it rather personally asshole. If you don't care if the film is "flawed" fine, but I sure as hell do and I have every right to.

  • June 30, 2004, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Do you guys like anything?!?

    by mongrelcat

    Seriously

  • June 30, 2004, 4:59 a.m. CST

    I wanted to fuck the boney foreign girl really badly

    by My Ass Smells

    WHY DIDNT YOU HIT THAT, PETER!!!! FINGER LICKING GOOD

  • June 30, 2004, 5:50 a.m. CST

    This movie ROCKS!!

    by PrezMike

    Just came back from the midnight show... this is a great movie! Not just superhero move, great movie!

  • June 30, 2004, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Anyone else at the arclight tonight with Tobey showing up to int

    by Jon E Cin

    How fucking cool was that! Movie was great! I liked it a lot better then the first one, which I did not really love.

  • June 30, 2004, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Sae it a couple of hours ago (in Oz)

    by AttackingClone

    Better than the 1st i think, but it needed more action in there somewhere. They never make any more REAL bad guysfor comic movies. Why does no-one try to take over the world anymore, like Zod. All Ock does is rob a bank, and threaten people already in Spideys life. I wanna see a bad guy killing, ok maiming, it's PG, some innocent bystanders.

  • June 30, 2004, 6:37 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller... you don't deserve to like Spiderman. Go find

    by antonphd

    What are you... 12? If you are I will understand. Otherwise, how do you go your whole life loving Spiderman and never learn to not be a spoiled brat. Are you rich and used to getting everything the way YOU want it? Like $100,000,000.00 movies should cater exactly to you? Everyone else seems to get the movie but little people like you. Grow up. I am a life long Spiderman fan and I am offended as a fan that you would talk so shitty while claiming to be a life long fan yourself. I don't believe you really are. Otherwise you would get how great the movie was. At least you wouldn't be so ungracious. Spiderman was always about that. The movie was all about that. If you didn't like that... then I think you must either be a pretty sad person or lying about be a life long fan. Geez... Spiderman wasn't even cynical, let alone a shithead. No one could be that into him while be such a shithead. Unless of course you're still a kid. In which case I am sorry, you're still just a kid.

  • June 30, 2004, 7:08 a.m. CST

    I really liked this movie

    by antonphd

    The only way a person could hate this movie and have watched it at a midnight showing is if they had unrealistic expectations of the movie. It's like a cartoon I saw as a kid in a MAD magazine. A guy is kissing his ok looking wife goodbye as he is leaving for boot camp. As time goes by in boot camp he dreams of her and in his dreams she get hotter and hotter and hotter and hotter because of his growing fondness and longing for her. When boot camp is finally over and they reunite - he is aghast at how she looks compared to his dream. She looks the exact same as when he first left. Only his expectations changed. What I think is really interesting is that when this type of thing happens - the expectations are not solid specific things - just a sense of something being better than it really was, is, or can be to you. Longing is awefully hard to live up too. If you are the type of person who links that the guy should get a better looking wife. Then you are the type of person who thinks that Spiderman 2 was shit. And that is too bad. Cause it's not shit. It's great. But you just can't see it. And it's not because we're sheep and you're not. It's because you are expecting Spiderman to fulfill something that a movie can't fulfill. Movies are never better than dreams. Better than you think you could dream. But never better if you have dreamed. If you dreamed that Spiderman would be something... you can't help but be disappointed. I would have thought that people on this site would know this already. Anyway, man it's late and that was hard to get out. It's sound, but it probably will be hard to read.

  • June 30, 2004, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Hey!

    by Blue_Demon

    I did not read all the talkbacks so I have no idea if this has been mentioned, but how cool is it that Mary Jane is dating the Man-Wolf?! ( I have not seen him in the comics since the seventies so you youngsters may not know him ) You think somewhere down the line young Jameson's going to get the moonstone grafted to his chest and become a white, bi-pedal wolf? Naaaah...too freaky. Still...can't wait for Friday so I can see this movie!

  • June 30, 2004, 10:17 a.m. CST

    OFFENSIVE: "This is Peter Parker, like Jesus..."

    by Jeditemple

    Don't compare a comic character with the Son of God. There is NO comparison.

  • June 30, 2004, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Get over yourself

    by Critch Starblade

    "Don't compare a comic character with the Son of God. There is NO comparison." You're right. Spider-Man 2 is a hundred times the movie that the Passion was, Peter Parker is a much better character, and I believe Peter is closer to reality than Jesus will ever be. :-p

  • June 30, 2004, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Saw it last night

    by Heathicus

    I haven't read most of the talkbacks here, but I saw the movie last night and my only comment so far is that it was exactly what Spider-Man 2 should have been.

  • June 30, 2004, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Spider-Man freaks are full of crap

    by AlwaysThere

    How the hell are you (they) to say that the people who disliked SP2 should never see another movie or dont like comic book movies on a whole?

  • June 30, 2004, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Bitter, whiny, pissy little people...

    by ZeroCorpse

    This was an excellent movie! I don't get how you couldn't like it! I mean, if you're upset because there was actual exposition and dialogue as opposed to 2 hours of straight action, then it's obviously not for you. Wait for Blade Trinity if you want no-brain action comics. Have any of you ever read the Spider-Man books of the 60's, 70's and 80's? This is PURE Spider-Man, as it was written. If you're some bratty little doofus that enjoys McFarlane's writing, thinks Carnage and Venom are better villains than the individual members of the Sinister Six, or never picked up an issue of Spider-Man written before 1992, then I understand. You shouldn't have come to this movie- It wasn't for you. It was for old-school Spidey fans and general audiences who enjoy story as much as action. Just you wait- The movie you're dying for is coming, and it's called "Catwoman". I guarantee it will be thin on plot, high on cheesy action, and full of boobies so you don't get "bored with all that talking." Spider-Man 2 is the best comic book film so far. Thank goodness Tim Burton didn't direct it!

  • June 30, 2004, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Why not Jeditemple?

    by Pontsing Barset

    There's CLEARLY a messianic metaphor that can be drawn for the Peter Parker/Spiderman character as he's portrayed in the Comic Book. Grow an imagination for cripes sake. You missed the point. Harry's description has nothing to do "The Son of God"; it was metaphorical, not direct comparison

  • June 30, 2004, 12:41 p.m. CST

    "I

    by Jeditemple

    This is why I find Harry's comparisons offensive. He's taking something I hold very personal (my faith) and making a mockery of it. And Critch Starblade, even Spider Man can't save you from Hell, which is where you're headed, pal.

  • June 30, 2004, 12:49 p.m. CST

    maybe because there's just one side!

    by newdad

    maybe the movie is just that good that it doesn't warrant a negative review!!

  • June 30, 2004, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Funny, someone complains about Harry making a mockery of his fai

    by mortsleam

    Am I the only one laughing?

  • June 30, 2004, 1:13 p.m. CST

    industryKiller is such a hypocrite!

    by Rapmaster C

    Yeah, you have every right to want a perfect film. But other people have eery right to accept a near-perfect or flawed film. Don't take it so bloody personally. You are like so many others in these talkbacks; you don't get what you want, so you rain on everybody else's parade and come off with stupid grandiose comments like people should quit seeing movies if they actually liked Spidey 2. Grow up, or just get lost.

  • June 30, 2004, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Not just a great super hero movie...

    by ima biggun

    but just a great movie. I'm sure that somebody on here will tell you how horrible this movie is. Well, if you somebody bashing this movie, then assume that they are a heartless douchebag and they really don't like Spider Man at all. Spider Man 2 embodies everything you love about your friendly neighborhood web slinger. This is the first super hero movie where the actors really act. Casting was spot on and everybody played their role just as it was meant to be played. I'll tell you how good the acting was, Kirsten Dunst has convinced my that she is supposed to be MJ. For a kicker, they've already foreshadowed for Spider Man 3. I saw it last night at midnight and will be seeing it again tomorrow. I just wish they could lock in Raimi to direct past number 3.

  • June 30, 2004, 1:37 p.m. CST

    just saw it...it's not that good

    by Rupee88

    Spidey 2 was a good kids movie, but not much for adults. The CGI and action scenes were good, but we've seen it before. The story was boring...kids stuff.

  • June 30, 2004, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Like the 60s books, only not as sad

    by lettersoftransit

    I am sure some fans will complain about the amount of action, but this plays better for people who are not necessarily fans of comic books, and fans of comics should have plenty to like. Some will say you could have cut 20 minutes without hurting the movie, but character moments are what made the original comics more than, well, comics. In fact, when I read these as a single-digit kid in the 60s, I once made a point of going through my whole vast collection of 30 or 40 issues to see how many times they ended on a happy note. It was less than 10 percent of the time. Yet I kept coming back.

  • June 30, 2004, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Saw it last night at midnight - this movie SO COMPLETLEY RULED!!

    by Pardon_My_Zinger

    Better than the first, and I LOVED the first! The SFX on Doc Ock's arms were amazing! And there was more actualy Spider-Man than in the first, which in and of itself is a selling point - the battle scenes rocked! But it ws still about the HUMANITY, first and foremost. Okay, so no real explanation was ever given for how Peter kept losing his powers - since there's probably no precident for anyone gaining spider-powers through a spider-bite, we can assume that his powers may not be absolute (and it was implied that the loss of power was psychosematic [sp?] since he was starting to be less jazzed about being Spider-Man) Remember how worried we all once were about Spider-man - for many of us, our favorite character, the last (mostly) unspoiled comic book/superhero icon - being translated to the big screen and maybe botched by people who didn't know what the hell they were doing? Second movie in, what a relief! Thank God for Sam Raimi! (not to mention the fact that he's coming back for the third film). btw anyone who thinks Kirstin Dunst is ugly is blinder than Daredevil! If she does bear any facial resemblence to Billy Corgan (which I still don't see) that's because Corgan looks a bit on the feminine side, not because Kirstin is unattractive. If there was a way to get in line for "Spider-Man 3" right now, I'D DO IT!!!

  • June 30, 2004, 2:39 p.m. CST

    The_ZeroCorpse... as in the original ZeroCorpse?

    by Neosamurai85

    If so nice to see a familiar talkbacker from the olden days, and one that liked the movie at that! I'll try and see it tomarrow or friday. Peace.

  • June 30, 2004, 2:44 p.m. CST

    THE BEST COMIC ADAPTATION EVER

    by floppybunnyyhead

    That's all that really needs to be said, but since it's floppybunnyhead, naturally I'll say more. I saw it with the 10 am crowd this morn and I left the theatre feeling that I had just witnessed something that transcends the "Summer Blockbuster". It re-invents it. It gives us something better than what we've come to expect. And if you're a fan of the comics, this film should have knocked you flat on your ass. If you don't think that, I suggest that you go back and read again. This is Spider-Man with the emotion, depth, humor, tragedy, heartache, and wisdom that has been the backbone of the comic. Personally, I think that most people can completely forget the run of the various comics from the 1990s. Todd McFarlane is a fine comic book artist. But he wasn't the end-all-be-all that so many think he is. Venom and Carnage were basically the Spider-Titles' answer to the meaningless violence of THE PUNISHER and WOLVERINE. The storylines of MAXIMUM CARNAGE and THE CLONE SAGA were pathetic responses to the declining sales of the comic. Although some good came out of it... I did like the relationship between Peter Parker and Ben Reilly. But I think that the REVELATIONS storyline was almost going too far off the map of even comic book plausibility. Enough about the comic, though. The film was flawless, with the exception of a few CG shots of Spidey that looked too CG. Where with the first film, I chalked that up to wanting to make the film have a more comic-booky look to it. This film seemed to be going for a much more believeable GC direction, and it worked. I felt myself swinging and jumping and leaping and spinning more breathlessly that just about ay point in the first film. Obviously one key of the ultimate success of this film is the writing. It was probably a good move to bring in an Oscar-winning screenwriter like Alvin Sargent who has some expertise in the complexities of human relations. The humor was also much more effective this time around. Spidey actually got to say a few funny and clever things in and out of costume, which there wasn't NEARLY enough in the first film. Also the other major key is the Raimi Factor. This film is chock-full of Raimi-isms (particularly in the scene in the operating room) that make this film more unique to his signature than the first one. They never had a problem with the cast in the first one, and they don't have any here either. Especially with the addition of Alfie "Throw me the idol, I throw you the whip" Molina. And if you don't know what movie that quote is from, you are a triple-decker loser with a side of total idiot. But I digress. Certainly a much more interesting and visually palatable villain than the FILM Green Goblin. The FILM Green Goblin has some visual problems. But I have to admire the fact that they tried to give a "real world" use for the armor instead of trying to do that with the crazy halloween outfit (but I still would have preferred the crazy halloween outfit). But Doc Ock has NO problems. The CG and Puppetry used for the tentacles are brilliant. And Molina is a great talent, as opposed to getting some other big-name star who's plump... BATMAN RETURNS, anyone? AAGGGHHH!!! Burton's a weenie. Raimi is a genius. So many things in this film came out of left field that I was literally sitting there with my jaw open, and boy does stuff like the mirror scene and the one-armed man give me a HUGE fanboy chubby. Anyway, the score I give this film is 19 out of 10, and actually surpasses PRISONER OF AZKABAN as the best summer film, and also I would say surpasses my other favorite film of the year, David Mamet's SPARTAN (Not to be confused with TROY, which is GLADIATOR 2: ACHILLES BOOGALOO). Time to hop out of here. Floppybunnyhead OUT.

  • June 30, 2004, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Not to get too "hairdresser-ey" or anything

    by mortsleam

    But I think Kirsten Dunst looks a lot better with the somewhat more natural reddish-blonde wig in this movie than the horribly obvious ultra-red from the first movie. And now, to retain some small sense of masculinity, I'll ask if she's mugged in the rain in this one too?

  • June 30, 2004, 2:49 p.m. CST

    OMGWTFBBQ?

    by AlwaysThere

    Taken from the http://chud.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67447 ---- The Marvel superhero as homosexual subtext is also present as well. In line with X-MEN

  • June 30, 2004, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Kirsten Dunst's phone number

    by manchuko

    available here: http://www.azc.com/kirsten.html

  • June 30, 2004, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Mortsleam=Jackass

    by Jeditemple

    It's part of my last name, jackass.

  • June 30, 2004, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Whatever, Mr. Temple

    by mortsleam

    I do believe there's a commandment about not worshipping any others before God. Since Jedi is now a recognized religion in England, I'm afraid your midichlorian-worshipping ass is going straight to hell.

  • ok, the good: this movie actually made me like tobey mcguire as spider man, which is a shame because after spidey 3 we're all probably going to have to get used to spidey being played by someone else. Molina played a great villian without being hammy or obnoxious. The Osborne story line was great and without a doubt sets Franco up to be the next villian. now, the bad: Man, i hate the woman who plays Aunt May. i really hate her. I wish they would have had the woman who played happy gilmores grandma play the part instead. The movie definately got boring in the middle and seemed to have an excess of subplots, but thats probably my bias for hating aunt may once again because that was the subplot i hated. (an 80 year old woman still hasnt paid off her mortgage?) Another dislike i have was the writers' laziness in developing a worthy Doc Ock plot. A radiation experiment performed in a loft?? in my opinion the writers should have had Octavious performing a demonstration of his energy sustaining tentacles, designed for warfare/heavy labor/handicapped. I think that would have been a much easier concept to accept, although the comic book purists may not accept it. i for one am a comic book purist but i do think changes can be made for the sake of believability, after all, OSCORP in the first Spidey movie was primarily military warfare based. My last gripe is the some of the corniness Raimi cant seem to control. (i swear to god i thought Spider man was crowd surfing the people in the train). A few other scenes stick out that made me wince a little but thats alright. Overall i had a great experience not being dissapointed by a comic book movie in an instance when it is a comic book i grew up with. I hope that in spidey 3, a greater level of seriousness can be taken (by the end Spidey's best friend will be dead), also i hope Raimi directs Macguire to become a cockier, more confident Spidey like he is in the comics and not a so much the constantly troubled, fragile, and sensitive character he has been in Spidey 1 and 2.

  • June 30, 2004, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Hail Spider-Man! Worship at the altar.

    by Xorply

    I've been having sleepless nights for two years waiting for this movie. This is gonna rule big time. www.boxofficechamp.com

  • June 30, 2004, 4:30 p.m. CST

    totally off subject but....

    by slappy jones

    how come bill murray all of sudden has this aura of super coolness where everyone loves him......he suddenly became like this arthouse favourite and people fawning over him... when did this happen? was it before "larger than life" or after "the man who knew too little?"

  • June 30, 2004, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Just OK

    by Fat_and_Harry

    A couple of questions.... Doc Ock can't take a punch to the face like Spiderman was giving him. Octavius is a smart human with the arms, but nothing would allow him to survive even 1 full strength punch from the superhuman strength of Spiderman. 2. Where does he go when he crawls over the building and down the street? He's not bulletproof, you'd have cops hunting and stalking him the entire time he was in sight. 3. He would have won the Nobel Prize for his fully automated arms, controlled by his own brain. Imagine Christopher Reeve with a set of sticks like that... 4. What's black and crusty and sits at the top of a flight of stairs? Christopher Reeve in a house fire.

  • June 30, 2004, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Good but not great

    by BillEmic

    I thought it was good but not the "greatest superhero movie since Superman" that everyone is toting it to be. Tobey did an excellent job - he really came into the character - but a lot of things in the film seemed to conspire against him. Most of their attempts at comedy fell flat (Peter's landlord, the Queer As Folk elevator scene, etc.) and many of the crowd reactions shots were painful ("It's a web!"). James Franco's character was reduced to exaggerated extremes...if he wasn't harping on Spider-Man, he was a floundering drink. What happened to the sublety in the first film? Overall, I just missed David Koepp's scripting talents. He should have been the one to write this movie and those Smallville guys shouldn't have been allowed near it. Oh well, that's just my opinion.

  • June 30, 2004, 7:04 p.m. CST

    could have been better

    by highlander2

    the movie started off good but in the end thay just put to much stuff in to one movie and messed it up a little. so i hope in the 3rd movie fixes this one more.

  • June 30, 2004, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Spidey gets it in the arachnads

    by corvette63

    Man Spidey really takes a beating in this movie. Even Aunt May gives him hell. Great movie except the slow MJ scenes. Also the parts about the president are taken out of context!

  • June 30, 2004, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Magine Tovah....ya need a sammich, baby.

    by Terry_1978

    If the old girl is naturally that skinny, whatever...but when she was standing next to Tobey after offering him that cake, she literally towered over him in a beanpole-esque way. She's kinda got a cute smile, though. That is all.

  • June 30, 2004, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Nothing could be better.

    by riskebiz

    Nothing can be done to make this a finer film than it is. It is the best comic book film ever made. They all nailed it. As they say in Spinal Tap "This one goes to eleven."

  • June 30, 2004, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Better than the first

    by PhilConnors

    As a whole. However, I've never posted in a Spiderman talkback, so I'd like to say that the first Spiderman had the most hilarious, thrilling, and sad 20 minutes in any movie I've ever seen, starting at Peter's design of the costume, to his entrance in the sweat suit, to getting up the nerve to chase down the crook, to sitting and crying as he ponders his mistakes. Perfection. Hmmm... Maybe I did like the first one better...

  • June 30, 2004, 10:15 p.m. CST

    I like Spiderman 2. But it was a cheesy trashy film with a slapp

    by TheGinger Twit

  • June 30, 2004, 10:56 p.m. CST

    I'm the only ZeroCorpse I ever heard of, baby.

    by ZeroCorpse

    Yeah, it's me. The one and only ZeroCorpse (aka Sherlock Holmes, in case you never knew) Many times banned by Moriarty (thus the Sherlock ID), many times returned. Every once in a while I pop in here and look upon the amazingly large number of newbies and brats. Tain't like it was in the old days, before AICN became super popular. And YES, go see it. The naysayers are most likely young'uns that think Spider-Man was "boring" before Venom came along. I thought it was the best movie I've seen in a long time. I'm definitely seeing it again, at least once (probably when it hits IMAX later this year).

  • June 30, 2004, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Black Cat?

    by Kage

    Was anorexic Russian girl who lives in Parker's building Black Cat?

  • June 30, 2004, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Wow! Truly a great comic book flick... this one`s better than X-

    by Robofag

    Personally the first one did'nt bought me at all. Too much partiotic crappy undertone, too much rock'n'roll white trash, and a lazy stucked up performance by all the main actors (except Dafoe who was great... but has he even been lesser than "great" in any films he played in after all?). No Spidey 2 is brillantly paced, the characters have been revamped to make them captivating, and despite being a summer blockbuster, it`s an intelligent, introspective movie that kinda rebuilds the superhero from scratch, well not from scratch, but close to it. Not better than the two first Superman, but a lot more perfect and well-crafted. Superman had a stupid Lex Luthor with even more stupid and annoying sidekicks, while it was not really making a nuance between defending Justice and working on the side of the cops and even worse, prison guardians. Here there`s a brillant reflection on the concepts of the will to power and social responsability that there was'nt in all previous comic book flicks, and yet the action is extemely gorgeous and entertaining, without being an insult to the intelligence of the audience. Aww man, if only time travel exited I would have gone back in time to convince eveybody to not see Spidey 1 and wait a few years to see the real big Spiderman slam!

  • July 1, 2004, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Robofag...

    by Kage

    how exactly would you know if someone insulted your intelligence? oh, and just in case... i just did. :)

  • July 1, 2004, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Just saw it.

    by KalHell

  • July 1, 2004, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Whoops

    by KalHell

    Just saw it. It's awesome, Sam totally nailed it. In answer to the above I seem to remember that in the comics Spidey could lift like ten tons or a little less.

  • July 1, 2004, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Zero Corpse

    by twitaman

    Couldn't have put it better myself man. You took the words right out of my mouth -- or off of my keyboard. Spider-Man 2 was a great piece of filmmaking. Not just a good "comic-book movie." I thought it was tremendous the story, the direction, the performances and the FX (and I am not a fan of CGI...but this worked for me). If you're looking for mindless action then stick to playing video games -- this is a well told story in the grandest adventure tradition. Btw, I like Tim Burton but you're right -- Batman was barely a film. Though it had its moments. Spider-Man 2 is the real deal.

  • July 1, 2004, 1:38 a.m. CST

    When the hell are they going to stop this bullshit numbering of

    by Uncle Stan

    And I've fucked better looking chicks than Dunst and I'm uglier than Harry!! Hey Sony, hire a looker next time. Better yet, hire a real actor.

  • July 1, 2004, 2:05 a.m. CST

    re: spiderman2

    by postmodernist

  • July 1, 2004, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Just got back...

    by Darth Thoth

    I haven't enjoyed myself like that in a long while. Great freakin' movie. Loved it, loved it, loved it!

  • July 1, 2004, 2:23 a.m. CST

    If anybody didn't like this movie they should find a new hobby

    by Rcamacho2278

    I mean I just don't get it. Everyone knows what spiderman is. So why would someone who is an anal tight ass critic go see this movie and then BITCH about it not being their kind of movie. Like the morons who didn't believe in jesus bitching about the passion sucking. Fucken MORONS, I hate you people and I hate the talkbackers.

  • July 1, 2004, 3:24 a.m. CST

    By the way...

    by floppybunnyyhead

    For the one person who made the previous comment that just one of Spidey's punches would kill Doc Ock (I don't feel like going through all of the posts again becaus FAR too many of them are just saturated with uncalled-for vitriol), you're forgetting somthing important. SPIDER-MAN DOESN'T KILL (although I'm sure some of you will argue that Spidey is responsible for the burglar-that-killed-Uncle-Ben's death because he didn't try to save him after falling through the window. Blame David Koepp for that shit.). All the time in the comics, Spidey thought-bubbles about having to pull his punches since he is so incredibly strong so he doesn't kill someone. And that's the way it is.

  • July 1, 2004, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Industry Killer nailed most of my feelings about this movie.

    by Mosquito March

    There is nothing new in this movie. It's three or four scenes played out over and over and over again - and they're scenes recycled from the first film. There are the "Everybody Hates Peter" scenes, the "I Love You/I Love You Not" scenes, and the "I'm Gonna Kill Your Aunt/Girlfriend" scenes. I've seen all that bullshit before. I was also proven right in a feeling I had about Peter Parker in the first movie. THAT BASTARD HAS NO SENSE OF HUMOR. Maybe it's a trivial thing to latch on to, for all the people who were so drawn into his drama, but - where's the wisecracking wall-crawler from the comics? Where is the Peter Parker who masks his fear by making jokes? He says one thing in a fight in this film that was apparently intended to be a wisecrack, and it was almost as weak as the single wisecrack in the first movie. Perhaps I've just been ruined for the character by some of the scribes - Bendis and Straczynski in particular - who've been writing the Spidey comics in recent years, but, the movie Peter Parker is completely fucking humorless. I HATE that about these movies. If Peter Parker attacked his problems with a sense of humor, maybe I'd be able to stand sitting there watching the world crap on him. As it stands, I'm really not looking forward to future installments at all.

  • Wow, ... and I really mean that. Wow. It was soooooo good. Really, everybody ... Go see it. Stop what you are doing and go see it, NOW! And yes, ... WOW. Where this movie excels ... it REALLY excels. Beautiful. If I was 10 years old again ... this would be my "STAR WARS" ... so I'd suggest to all you parents (out there) whom have children at least 10 years old ... take them to see "SPIDER-MAN 2". You'll be glad you did. It would be a time in his/her life that would be forever remembered. ...Now, specifics about the movie... At times, it shows total brilliance ... whether in the vision of the director ... or written directly on the script page ... to allow "time" for scenes and character to transform (and at times ... quite funny ... in part, because of it). This movie does SO MANY THINGS SO WELL ... for example, the acting ... and the director's camera eye allowing things to happen in front of it (as I can't emphasize this enough). This superhero movie is a breath of fresh air. -- As much as I loved "X2" ... this movie was more satisfying, due to the depth at which the characters are explored. And our emotional fullfillment/reward is greater because of it. These characters are treated with respect ... like living, breathing people. (Hollywood may find it shocking that we superhero fans actually like our characters to be BELIEVABLE ... grounded in reality, within the fantasy world they exist). I said I'd give it an "A-" ... the "minus" for a contradictory thing like showing the incredible physical STRENGTH of Spider-man ... yet when he gets in close to punch Doctor Octavious, he can't even knock him out. (Of all things, this was my biggest peeve in an otherwise GREAT movie). (Oh, ... and that wasn't chocolate cake, mistake or not. But people are human.) -- I REALLY do like my fantasy to be grounded in reality. -- This movie is exceptional and raises the bar ... so what the hell are you doing sitting there and reading this. Get off your butt and go see this movie. After all, ... it will get my repeat business. So I certainly think it would be worth it (for you) to see it at least once. GO SEE IT! -- NOW!!!

  • July 1, 2004, 4:18 a.m. CST

    OFFENSIVE/Jeditemple

    by BTR 1701

    "Don't compare a comic book character with the son of god" *** Harry wasn't doing that. He was merely comparing two fictional characters to each other.

  • July 1, 2004, 5:38 a.m. CST

    MARY JANES FIANCEE WILL BECOME VENOM IN A MILITARY ACCIDENT????

    by viol8tor

  • July 1, 2004, 6:46 a.m. CST

    spiderman is such a pussy!

    by jumbotron

    he shoulda been played by Vin Disel

  • July 1, 2004, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Being kicked in the nuts for two hours is enough.

    by Darksider

    Whoever is in charge... you need to move on. We get the fact that Peter is a loser. Sometimes it's funny and needed but please. People want to see Spider-man and a plot as well. The Mary Jane thing is also too much, too soon. Let this guy live a little. That being said, I enjoyed the Harry/Peter dynamic and every minute Molina was on the screen. Cool cameos as will. The setup for the three villains was excellent as well. As for the CGI, the criticism was unwarranted. With all they had to do, it was pretty good. All in all I thing the first film was better though.

  • July 1, 2004, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Can't fucking type today.

    by Darksider

    :P

  • July 1, 2004, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Underwhelmed by the first, but the second was pretty incredible.

    by minderbinder

    Maybe the best superhero movie ever. Probably. Glad they hired Chabon, hope he's back for at least story work on future episodes. And what's with all the whining before you see the movie?? The "doc ock" nickname is only used by JJJ (they don't even use doctor octopus much, it's mostly just octavius since his identity isn't secret) and it's fucking hilarious. After the first, I wasn't looking forward to this...now I can't wait to see part 3...I only worry that they may jump to the Goblin2 plot too soon (and for the love of god, PLEASE have Harry tweak the goblin suit/mask, I don't want to look at that abomination again.

  • July 1, 2004, 10:07 a.m. CST

    This is the Best Superhero movie ever

    by NormanOsborne

    And I know there are those that will say that the first Superman is better. But, for me, the God awful sequence where Superman spins the Earth backwards to turn back time just kills me everytime I see it. Completely cringe-worthy.

  • July 1, 2004, 10:53 a.m. CST

    democracy

    by ashdizzeze

    free speech is a gift yet all I see on this site is i hate this movie (without real discussion or justification on the reasons)or he sucks big cajones. This is supposed to be a discussion board not a freaking bitching wall. Props to Harry for admitting that he enjoyed something so much and balls to the whiners who are just wasting everyone's time, including their own! I'm excited about see Spidey 2 whenever it gets to the UK, so much so that you see this white stuff... it's not webbing. arf arf

  • July 1, 2004, 10:54 a.m. CST

    For serious uber-fans only (and the lemming uninitiated masses)

    by akirakid

    Not being an uber-fan of Spidey the comic, but a comic fan of questionable taste (I did have and entire run of Power Pack, Omega Men, and Dazzler to go along with my X-books, Sandman, Grendel and Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children)I feel I can approach this from a sense of neutrality much in the same way I did for Daredevil. I was aware of them and their place in the Marvel Universe but never really got the obsession that their super fans gave them. So that being said, I saw the first film and went "Ok". Loved the first half of the movie when he was learning to be Spidey but was left flat as soon as he donned his official costume. Hated the Goblin costume. Understood why, for a sense of the real world, it needed to look that way but hated it. Thought, and still do, that Kirsten Dunst was completely miscast and just plain bad. Never been a Franco fan (I just find him unattractive) so not much to say on that front. But I learned to appreciate the film on DVD and watch it on occasion because it really is fun. So I go to the Midnight show with an uber-fan friend of mine, our respective dates and three other friends. Needless to say we were underwhelmed. First of all they need to stop killing off the villains! Second, someone please wash MJ's hair. She is a model and actress and this is the best she can look?!? 3) Cut the Uncle Ben scene. It was over kill. 4)Either end the movie with Harry's scene or cut the MJ wedding. Harry's revelation is a much more powerful ending and leaves us wanting more and knowing that MJ left her groom at the altar for Peter defines thier relataionship too much. As an audience member I like not knowing. 5) Does everyone in New York know his identity now? Geez! This was one of the dumber plot pionts. Now, I did like the fight sequence on the "El". That was really cool. Spidey's powers tied to his emotional problems, also good. But my main problem is that they made this character "too real". I don't want to see Spidey delivering pizzas (one of the dumbest ideas in the film. Do you really want one slice of pizza covered in webbing? Yuk!). I understand he is struggling with his dual life, but let it be implied. A struggling photographer and a crappy apartment is enough to give you the idea. In our opinion (I discussed this in detail with my Uber-fan) part of the enjoyment is the fantasy of it. Too much realism and you take away the fun. Where are the quips that make Webhead a smart-ass? We heard two lines in the first one and none that I can remember in the second. Also, having MJ find out his identity so soon is only necessary because it feels like Rami and Company are only planning on a three film story arc and then done. Columbia may want more but I feel they are done so forget about your Venom storyline. They are severly tie-ing their hands with the direction they are going. You definitely get the Green Goblin 2 with Harry, a possible Lizard thread, but stretching to get Venom is only a fanboy's dream. You might as well be asking for the Vulture or Electro. So all in all, if you are not an uber-fan, you will probably have the same feelings for this one that you did for the first. In my opinion, Daredevil was a far superior film in the sense of story, mood, and look. I know there will be Spidey 3 but would rather see Daredevil 2 first.

  • July 1, 2004, 11:16 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller and thoughts of Spiderman 2

    by SirBiatchReturns

    Spiderman 2 was fucking wack. i'm sorry but i was so disappointed that i don't even know where to begin. Industry Killer nailed it. anyone who loved/liked that movie should not give their opinions on movies. it was SO CHEESY. the character development was terrible. Cheesy dialogue and lame attempts at romance does not make character development. Y'all will swallow anything. The visual effects were AMAZING though. i loved the effects. and the Doc Ock vs Spiderman fight on that tower is one of the best fights i've seen in a movie in the longest time. but everything else was slow paced, boring, lame and tiring to see. I wouldn't say it was a D but it was a C movie. Spiderman 1 was much better. They should call this one "Spiderman 2 - the tale of Peter Parker and MJ, a lame love story".

  • July 1, 2004, 11:32 a.m. CST

    mortsleam

    by Jeditemple

    Whatever, mortsleam. Believe what you want. Burn.

  • July 1, 2004, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Again Harry has an off review....

    by Mr. Profit

    The movie was good, I wont even front on it. But it wasn't great, and that's my problem with the Spiderman films. They should surpass the greatness (Actionwise) of the first Matrix film. I loved...loved the fight scenes in Spidey 2, but there were too few of them in a 2 hour film. How many action set pieces were in the film? About 3? Doc Ock was a great villain, but you really don't know what his motive is for rebuilding the machine. I thought Tobey was good. And Kirsten was good, albiet she looks weird now. But the movie could have had a bit more action and been trimmed by 30 minutes. The whole "It sucks to be Spiderman" plot was good, but gets a bit tiresome towards the middle. The fight on the elevated train was great. You get a sense of real danger. To be a bit nitpickey, if the train said Bay Ridge on it, why did it stop short of the river? Bay Ridge is in Brooklyn. The new film is essentially a re-make of the first one with better CGI, Special Effects, Acting, And Characters. While that may sound good to fans who loved the original, I did not love the original film myself, nor did I really care for X1 or X2. Again, basing a film on a comic gives you the potential to make an awesome action film, and so far, I haven't been awed. It's as if the directors for both franchises hold back. I liked and disliked Spidey 2's ending, because it seems that eventhough there was resolution to major plots, I feel Spidey 3 will just be reverting back to part one. If Sony doesn't have the rights to Venom, then at least bring in Carnage. I don't want to see that Power Ranger again. Nor do I want to see MJ's BF turn into that Warewolf man. And I hope Spidey 3 has more than one bad guy. I think Raimi has done a decent job, but like HP3 did, maybe they should hand over the reigns to a new director.

  • July 1, 2004, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Freakin' Christians have no sense of humor

    by mortsleam

    I've burned once before, buddy, and I survived it. Until you hold your lips in your hands as they peel off your bubbling, blistering face as you scream, "Why, God, Why?" save your unimaginatively literal judgements for someone who falls for your brand of dour, repressive brainwashing. Or try turning the other cheek. Or getting the joke. Dick. Now, onto far more important matters: if they continue on with the series and make Spider-Man 4 through 6, who do you think should direct, and who should take over the lead roles? I say Jack Gyllenhaal as Spidey, Laura Prepon from That 70's Show as Mary Jane, directed by Richard Kelly. With...I dunno, Patrick Swayze as Mysterio.

  • July 1, 2004, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Weve given ample reason for not liking this film.

    by IndustryKiller

    Just read the posts of mine and others. Those are all reasonable gripes. I don't know what your peoples ideas of "expository dialogue" and character development is, because what was in Spider Man 2 was neitehr of these things. It was heavy handed poorly written dialogue said over and over again with different words. I wouldn't have minded it at all if it was so poorly done. But it was. That wasn;t good writing and you have toa dmit that whether you liked the film or not. I have no idea what of Michael Chabons work oint htat film was retained, but if any of that was the writing of a Pulitzer Prize winner I'm going to get starting on winning my Pulitzer Prize. I found the observation on Peter being totally humorless pretty insightful. Peter is not just a geek in this movie, he is also a total loser. Lest we not forget that he is a super hero. This alone makes him better than the rest of us and it has to be a center of some sort of joy. Also in the comics Peter stopped being a geek eventually and actually became a really cool guy. This lack of confidence better end in the next film because it's getting old. Every time I think of the way the absolutely wasted Doctor Octopus in this movie is pisses me off more and more. They absolutely butchered him. He is of so little signifigance in the overall story that I wish they had just left him out as opposed to giving him the hack job they did. He should have been the driving force of many or at least some of Peter's problems not just an excuse to throw some action in. His motivations are all over the place. Maybe motivations aren't important to some of you but they are to me. In the comic he is rendered insane after the blast, that's an awfully simplistic motivation for being evil but it's FAR superior to the totally unbelieveable "The arms convinced him" shit they give him in this film. So what are the arms motivations then? Completely arbitrary thats what they are. The good thign about a super hero sequel is you have gottent he origin out of the way so you have more room to breathe and can introduce different more interesting issues and make it more exciting. This is where Spider Man 2 fails. It's the same mother fucking issues given no new twist or insight drilled into your head over and over, and in no way is it more exciting. I wish to God Sam Raimi wouldn't direct the next one because I know that as long as he does we are going to get villains that are merely glossed over. Hell, Harry and Peter will probably have it out by running for class President against each other or something as opposed to actually being the super hero/villains that they are supposed to be. We'll get one fight scene at the end of the film and that will most liekly be good enough to fool people into thinking they have actually seen a "Spider Man" movie. I feel slightly vindicated in that almost all the people I know who have seen this film were disappointed. This movie won't make as much as the first one as word of mouth won't be good enough. And it certainly won't b remembered as teh best super hero film of all time. I would bet a large quantity of money on that.

  • July 1, 2004, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Wow I have to learn to type.

    by IndustryKiller

    Yeha my typing sucks but I write these things in like 4 minutes and I don't care enough to proof read them. You guys know what i mean anyway.

  • July 1, 2004, 2:10 p.m. CST

    DAC (DEFENDERS of ACTION CINEMA) Spider-Man 2 Review

    by DEFENDERS

    We

  • July 1, 2004, 2:23 p.m. CST

    creepiest thing...

    by IRuleAll

    the way the Zombie guy keeps trying to steer the conversation to politics when this board is about... a movie in which a teenager gains the power to shoot webs. Go post on a news site, chum. You're being very transparent, I mean, you could at least try to connect the two, like "Spidey's webbin' bad guys like Kerry will web Bush!" or something, damn.

  • July 1, 2004, 2:41 p.m. CST

    No shit moviemack

    by mortsleam

    It's about as as sad as a one-man Anti-Batman Begins crusade. Ouch.

  • July 1, 2004, 2:59 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller! is the MAN

    by AlwaysThere

    Everything that you've written on hear about this movie is absolutely correct.

  • July 1, 2004, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Thank god I'm not some snoty undersexed comic book nerd

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    Spidey 2 was good. It had a little heart and likeable characters and villians. I thouroughly enjoyed it. Probably because I haven't been dreaming about Spiderman since the fourth grade. Unlike some people here, it seems. Look - if you just hate movies, at least stop going to them opening night. That film was slightly better than the first one (the CGI was an obvious improvement) so if you hated part one, you're not going to like part two.

  • July 1, 2004, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Don't count me as for or against, man, I haven't seen the fuckin

    by mortsleam

    I'm starting to think perhaps you're a frustrated screenwriter who's early draft of Year One was abandoned. Admit it, you coined the term "Slammin'!" *** You know I'm just joking here, right?

  • July 1, 2004, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Defenders/DAC right on--S2 good, X2 way better

    by Homer Sexual

    Kill Aunt May Now! Every time she appeared on screen, I knew much hot air and boring-ness would follow. Loved Doc Ock and the look of the film, loved MJ and Harry. Cry Baby Peter just got too dumped on and the entire middle section just blew! However, there was lots of good stuff as well, so I definitely enjoyed it, thought it was good. But it wasn't as good as I'd expected. I totally agree with Defenders. I'm also in his age range and like many Chick Flicks--heck, Terms of Endearment is one of my faves--but I want more ACTION in my action movies. The dramatic scens really weren't very dramatic and they were lame, but all the action was da bomb, and the last 30 minutes or so were excellent. If you need to use the bathroom during the first 80 minutes or so, don't worry--you won't miss too much.

  • July 1, 2004, 3:44 p.m. CST

    You heard it folks! Jeditemple says we're going to Hell!

    by Pontsing Barset

    Guess we better start getting scared, I mean he couldn't be: DEAD WRONG could he? Couldn't be: TOTALLY FULL OF SHIT? Nah. Hey *I* believe in little green men nimrod. It doesn't mean I get pissed off when people use "extra terrestrial" in a sentence though...

  • July 1, 2004, 3:47 p.m. CST

    spidey 2

    by dengreg31

    good lord industrykiller and the rest..no, its not the greatest movie ever made, but its damn entertaining. 135 positive reviews at rottentomatoes.com, 7 negative? Sometimes you just fall in the minority, why try to tear it down bit by bit for the rest.

  • July 1, 2004, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Spiderman 2 is just O.K

    by dvdbob

    This movie, while not great is certainly miles ahead of Van Helsing. Spiderman 2 is just too cheesy!!!!! I found myself laughing at things that were probably not supposed to be funny but were just stupid. One of the parts in the final act (the shot of M.J. caught in the spider web) is just so silly, I had to ask myself if a 5 year old child had written this scene. SP2 is certainly a very entertaing movie but it is aimed primarily at the target audience of 14 year old boys and there just isn't much more to the movie for anyone over the age of 18. I know it's a comic book movie but it needs more than just that. It needs a soul! Anyone can make a good looking action movie with a budget like they had for SP2 and of course it's going to be one of the highest grossing films of the year but I see the series going down from here. I guess I am in the minority here but it's just my opinion.

  • July 1, 2004, 4:07 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller did not full out bash the film, he had a well sta

    by Mr. Profit

  • July 1, 2004, 4:54 p.m. CST

    zombieproblems is right on the money

    by cabravo

    Defenders just doesn't get it. If you feel a certain way about a character, whether it be anger, love, jealousy, whatever emotion, it makes their struggle, and I'm talking action here, that much more meaningful. Have we all forgotten the unfulfillment of the Obi Wan/Qui Gon vs. Maul duel? Why did that movie climax make me feel excited, yet somehow feel like a ten pound turd fell out of the ceiling and landed on my cherry icee? Because we didn't care about the characters. Anyone that says that they were on the edge of their seat rooting for the good guys to succeed in that one is playing with Mrs. Palmer and her five sisters. We didn't even hate the villain. It looked cool as shit yeah, but I just didn't care. No character development is what made the prequels inferior to the OT. I applaud Sam Raimi and his group of writers. I saw Spidey last night and I cared about Peter and I fell in love with movies all over again. 'Nuff said True Believers!!!!

  • July 1, 2004, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Spiderman NO MORE...

    by nsomnia

    All right, all of you can surrender to the hype but I won't, and will probably piss off a bunch, but it's time to wake up: I saw Spiderman 2 last night at the Dome in L.A., and it sucks. Where has Marvel's Spiderman gone? The dark, cynical hero has changed again into an insecure teenager (confirmed by the guy's comment at the end of the train scene "it's only a kid!", making the same two cents jokes (OK, we know that Spiderman can't be two places at once, it doesn't have to be the basis for the entire humor), boring dialogues (SPIDERMAN:"In case we die, I love you"...MARY-JANE:..even if you told me you didn't?"), wow, it took three credited writers to come up with that? The entire movie contains four or five pure action scenes who account for twenty minutes max of the movie and the rest is spent on boring character scenes that would have been interesting if they weren't just a big repeat of the same situations (also enjoy the amazing dialogues: MJ's FIANCE, Army Pilot who just went to the moon :" With you I feel like I am on the moon again...are you there with me?".ENOUGH! ENOUGH!I spent the entire movie looking at my watch and waiting for the action scenes(great but again, too few.) The end never ends, MJ sends PARKER to his heroic duties with a "Go get them Tiger" and worst of all implies that the Goblin will be back with the same badly conceived mask in the third installment. By then I'm sure Spiderman will be in therapy while Mary Jane irons his costume, but I won't be there to see it, I'll be home enjoying ANY Spiderman comic book, you know, the real one...

  • July 1, 2004, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Finally saw this...

    by Childe Roland

    ...last night and, although I was thoroughly entertained and feel I definitely got my money's worth, I do believe most of the reviews I've read here are overdoing things a bit in terms of praise. Let me pause for a moment to admit that I'm a reformed comic fan. There was a time in the not-too-distant-past when I thought comics were the ideal medium for story telling and sported a 30+ dollar a week habit. But most of that passion burned itself out in the 90s. The stories had all been told, it seemed, and were now just being rehashed. Or the experimental directions taken by new creative teams to shake things up were completely undermining the years of history and resultant affection I had for the characters. Spider Man was one of my favorite literary characters (you read that right) of all time (and I studied English and American lit for more than fifteen years), but I completely lost interest in him during the Maximum Clonage storyline. That said, I appreciate a good comic book movie (and there haven't been many). The first two Batman movies were acceptable interpretations of the source material. X-Men was an interesting and entertaining take on those characters. Even Daredevil and Hulk had their relative merits (both being worlds better than films like Captain America and The Punisher - either version). Before Spider Man, I suppose I held up Donner's Superman as the best comic book movie ever made. It was as true to the source material as anyone expected and managed to be fun without condescending to its audience. Spider Man was almost if not as good, I thought. Spider Man 2 was better. In fact, between the genuine character development, the light-hearted moments of whimsy and the hands-down best super-powered fight scenes ever put to film, it may even be the best comic book movie ever made. However, what is that really saying? It's better than Blade? Better than Batman Forever or Batman and Robin? Better than Superman 3? Superman 4? It's a largely silly, often campy, pretty stupid genre of films. This is speaking very generally, of course. The Crow, Road to Perdition and From Hell are all technically comic book movies, but manage to transcend the genre largely by virtue of the fact that few Americans realize those films were adapted from graphic novels. And, while they're all pretty good movies on their own merits, none of them is a truly great film by AFI standards (not to say those are my standards, but I'm using their list as an easily accessible measuring stick). Spider Man 2 is clearly a comic book film and arguably the best ever made. I'd even go so far as to say it is a well-made and entertaining film by any standards. But it isn't a great film. I'll piss some folks off here and say that films like The Empire Strikes Back and The Two Towers (both clearly genre films and, coincidentally, second movies in their respectvie series) manage to not only be great genre films, they are great films by most standards. Even if you aren't a particular fan of sci fi or fantasy, even if you don't have years invested in the characters and respective mythologies, you can appreciate that they are superb pieces of cinema. I don't know that a non comic fan or even a non-Spidey fan could say the same of Spider Man 2. Fortunately I had the requisite background and I'll probably buy the DVD so I can watch those superbly rendered fight scenes over and over again... even though I'll have to shut off the portion of my brain that tells me a chubby, middle-aged man's head would not stay attached to his torso if he took an angry chin punch from a guy who could bench press a truck, regardless of how many sentient mechanical arms he has.

  • July 1, 2004, 5:38 p.m. CST

    wow

    by Shigeru

    you people are nuts... you really want a straightforward action film? Go watch fucking "Commando" and tell me how it goes. None of that "boring" dialog or drama or interesting characters that you care about or anything like that. Spidey 2 rocked my balls so hard they both exploded.

  • July 1, 2004, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Nsomnia, why dont you go fucken watch a documentary

    by Rcamacho2278

    waiting for the action, waiting for the action where the action, bitch, thats all you go to the movies to see?

  • July 1, 2004, 5:47 p.m. CST

    I got sumthin ta say!

    by Super Person

  • July 1, 2004, 6:19 p.m. CST

    John Jameson is VENOM

    by Goonie

    He will beco9me Venom in the third movie. We can already tell that something odd is going on with him--when he jumps from the dock to see Mary jane, and all the cops stare at him in bewilderment. Also, we know that he has been to the moon, which leads to the whole alien-symbiote thing. What do you people think? Is Venom gonna be in Spiderman 3?

  • July 1, 2004, 6:40 p.m. CST

    SPIDERMAN NO MORE

    by nsomnia

    RCCAMACHO, you are in the wrong site, didn't you mean to go to www.retardedlatinogangmemberwannabeswhocantspell.com?

  • July 1, 2004, 6:50 p.m. CST

    John Jameson didnt jump that far

    by AlwaysThere

    Its just that the cops are fat, donut eating bastards that cant leap for ****.

  • July 1, 2004, 6:53 p.m. CST

    darth g..

    by dengreg31

    well said darth. let me know how the G.E.D. goes for you..I hear its easier the fourth time.. (and I think it's cute the way your mom cuts your sandwiches in quarters rather than halves..)

  • July 1, 2004, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Ebert was almost right......

    by millermeusa

    Roger Ebert called Spidey 2 the best comic book movie ever......its a good movie, not a great one and Superman remains the best of the best!!!

  • July 1, 2004, 9:46 p.m. CST

    doc ocks supposed german accent

    by BEARison Ford

    according to marvel's own official bio, doctor octopus was born in America. now this doesnt really indicate one way or another that he has an accent or not, but in my mind it definitely marks the issue as debatable. some cartoons have given him an accent, some have not. the movie chose NOT to give him an accent and i seriously don't think this is ANYTHING people should be up in arms or nitpicking about in the least. the spider-man cartoons are no more definitive than this movie is, so get over it.

  • July 1, 2004, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Spider-Man 3 Predictions? SPOILERS

    by DarWen

    Not that I'm necessarily endorsing any of these ideas, I'm just throwing them out there: 1- Harry becomes Venom instead of becoming GG. The Goblin is considered by many one of the failures of the first film. So Harry becomes Venom: Oscorp designs a "technical" version of the Venom suit rather than an alien symbiotic suit. It has a black spider motif as Harry's way of mocking Spidey. Harry, obsessed with his dad's "murder," could easily take on Venom's self-imposed role of "protector of innocents," and could easily have the same personal hatred of Pete that Brock had. 2) Harry as Hobgoblin... go with the same storyline as the comics, only change Harry from GG to HG just to change it up a bit... and hopefully to lose that God-awful plastic mask. (Willem Dafoe looks so damn much like Norman and then they hide him behind a Halloween mask?? WTF??!?) 3) John Jamison as Venom AND Harry as either GG or HG. Go with the Batman 2-Villains-For-The-Price-Of-One sequel formula and have John bring back an alien symbiotic suit that "reads his mind" and forms itself to mock Spidey because of John's hatred of Spidey because he stole MJ. And stick with the comics storyline to explain Harry's role as GG or HG. Maybe?

  • July 1, 2004, 10:39 p.m. CST

    don't be fooled

    by Marcboy

    Don't be fooled by the fact that this film made harry feel good about his pathetic life for 2 hours. Spiderman 1 is a far better movie primarily because it has a plot soemone can actually understand and the Green Goblin is 100x better than Doc Ock. Molina is a truly horrible villain in the likes of Devito's Penguin. WTF was the plot? Doc Ock wants to harness the power of the sun? WHY? What would he do with it? The giant glowing ball just sinks into the sea and thats the end? This movie was such a disappointment.

  • July 1, 2004, 11:20 p.m. CST

    I did not hate it, but all the pridictible geeked out Spidy wors

    by iamarayya

    Never read the reviews on this sites it either I loved as much as the 1st pussy I got or its pure shit, no middle ground! I KNEW he would gush over the movie and he did

  • July 2, 2004, 12:24 a.m. CST

    FIRST!!!!

    by Bunger

    SPIDERMAN! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BUNGER!!!

  • July 2, 2004, 12:26 a.m. CST

    http://www.flashbackweekend.com

    by GollumsNutsack

    My brother in the windy city told me about this, check it out gang http://www.flashbackweekend.com/#-"horror convention"

  • July 2, 2004, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Marcboy your the reason why hollywood has to dumb down movies,

    by Rcamacho2278

    clearly you can't understand that Doc Ock Was just obsessed with his work, he did'nt have intentions of blowing up the city. You think every villain has evil superficial cliche intentions??? Doc Ock didnt even care for spiderman, he just wanted to do his work, God people like you upset me, disappointment? people like you who exist in this world is whats truly disappointing.

  • July 2, 2004, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Harry's biten by a spider bias?

    by nsomnia

    Dear Harry, this is an honest, non sarcastic question,for which I would appreciate a similar answer: Did you receive money for the insert of the Spiderman animation featured on the upper left corner of this site? If yes, how can you not be bias in your review of the movie... If not, why would you have it there knowing it could trigger such questions and doubts about your impartiality and independance from the studio's influences, which both got you where you now are. Tell us Harry, have you sold out?

  • July 2, 2004, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Well . . .

    by IAmMovieMaster

    Spider-Man 2. Good? Yes. Great? Nope.

  • July 2, 2004, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Best comic book movie ever

    by Eyegore

    I loved the clocktower/train fight. Awesomeness. This is a great movie that shows hwo comic book movies can be done great and remain true to the original material.

  • July 2, 2004, 7:22 p.m. CST

    ROFLMAO Emil Minty

    by AlwaysThere

    AHAHAHA

  • July 2, 2004, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Why rob a bank?

    by CriticalVelocity

    On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being perfect and 9 representing films like "Star Wars", "Aliens", "Raiders", and "The Matrix", I would rate

  • July 2, 2004, 8:50 p.m. CST

    spiderman/superman/the passion/hero movies

    by temporalgyrus

    Harry- these movies are what I personally am all about. They are the only thing I understand. When the curtain is drawn away from the screen, I want to see a person with ordinary passions in extraordianry circumstances trying to, as a person, do the right thing. I love it when a filmmaker can capture how often the right thing is so hard to find or to know. Movies like the original Superman, Star Wars trilogy, Spiderman, Batman, the X-men, and The Passion are movies that go beyond the genre of film. They tell our story. They tell of the good that lies in the hearts of men, the desire to do something great, to sacrifice all for something bigger than themselves. I have lived, know, and believe that the great story tellers and filmmakers, and 100 years ago the great actors, silent movie stars and bards all share one common legacy: man seeks to find the very best in himself in the stories he hears and sees. The best of these stories help us realize that with the right choices in the hardest of times we too can be far more than we ever believed. I've actually seen this happen on the field of battle, Harry. By profession I am a soldier. A little over a year ago, I saw true heroism when a soldier from my unit, in an extraordinary set of circumstances, earned the accolade hero by giving his life for the men and women he loved. He was the everyman of the world. A nobody until he traded blood on the battlefield and earned a Medal of Honor citation for fighting 100 men solo until his own life was taken. Movies take us to that place where we are all heroes, dreamers, poets, artists, lovers, kings, martyrs, pilgrims. They give us that glimpse of heaven where everything we ever hoped we were is what we are. -Andy

  • July 3, 2004, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Spandex

    by CriticalVelocity

    Don't confuse costume choice with premise. Not the same thing. Did Dr. Octopus wear spandex in the movie? Do the X Men where spandex in Singer's films? Update and keep with the times. This cartoon was created along time ago (not that it made sense back then either). There is nothing wrong with modernizing a concept. In "T2" the liquid metal T-1000 presumably has individual "thought" processors slaved in serial and working at an atomic or sub-atomic level. Shifting to a more overtly liquid state would not affect them. It is a consistent story element IMHO. On another topic. What are the Doctor's tentacles made of? If they are metal (which they must be) why aren't they sucked into the fusion vortex along with all of the other metal in southern Manhattan? Or where they plastic?

  • July 3, 2004, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Kinda like the first one. Not that great.

    by vekt0r

    Left the theater disappointed. Raimi should stick with B movies.....wait, this is a B movie with CG. The walk-on actors are pretty frikkin terrible. Lots of cornball lines in it. Why does Raimi throw in these forced cliches and lines at the end of almost all the scenes? Doc Ocks motivation just wasnt there for me. I know you need a villain, but why would the tentacles decide "hey, we're taking over and we're gonna be really bad". If I'm nitpicking Doc Ocks motivation and plotline, then I guess things like that dont matter. "just relax and have fun!" I'm fucking sick and tired of this dumbed-down mass friendly crap. The Peter Parker stuff wasnt so bad, but the movie as a whole just didnt work for me at all.

  • July 3, 2004, 5:09 a.m. CST

    Doctor's office

    by BillEmic

    You guys just reminded me of that awful scene where Peter Parker goes to the doctor, once he starts losing his powers, and then his doctor actually sits down beside him on the examining table and delivers his spiel...seems like there a ton of moments like that in this movie. With extra characters doing unrealistic things, delivered with poorly written dialogue...all for no reason. Much like the "chocolate cake" scene. Why were there so many sequences like those...and yet James Franco's character was barely developed at all? Here's hoping mcgdo Keopp (or, hell, Brian Michael Bendis, if they really want it to be good) writes Spider-Man 3...

  • July 3, 2004, 7:27 a.m. CST

    many of you don't actually know what character development is...

    by SirBiatchReturns

    because lame long dialogue DOES NOT MEAN character development. i'm sorry, but IndustryKiller and some others were SPOT ON. Spiderman 2 was very very wack. And anyone with half an education would realize this. The people who thought this movie had heart have absolutely no idea what it means for a movie to have heart. Do you want to know movies that have heart? try "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind", "Shrek 2" [depending if you like movies of this type], "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon", "Hero", "Last Samurai", "Big Fish"..... the list could go on. and nowhere in these movies is the dialogue terrible, lame and tiring. There are no highway sized plot holes like in Spiderman 2. Xmen 2 kills this movie by far. X2 remains the best superhero movie i've seen, up there with Blade 1.

  • July 3, 2004, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Spiderman 2 In IMAX!

    by vistavision

    This will be coming out later this month to replace the dropped IMAX release of "Catwoman". (Pause for laughter...) Somebody knows what they are doing!

  • July 3, 2004, 3:16 p.m. CST

    doctor's office

    by vekt0r

    Yeah, that scene was a little ridiculous.

  • July 3, 2004, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Lyd: Why sentient arms? A.I. = $$$$$

    by CriticalVelocity

    I missed that part where Molina explains that his metal arms are anti-magnetic. If so, so be it. Still, I have to wonder why he needs "sentient" arms in the first place. Just use regular robotic arms. Why fuse them to his spinal cord? If Molina has created artificial intelligence, wouldn't that be the true breakthrough. OsCorp could patent A.I. and make trillions. Just trying to raise the storytelling bar. Too many "it's good enough" types lying about in Hollywood (and elsewhere for that matter).

  • July 3, 2004, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Excellent Movie.

    by OKBuick

    After seeing this movie wedsday I was amazed at how good it was. I liked the first movie(somebody must of judging by how much it grossed) but this one went way beyond it. After reading the negative talkbacks here... I'm just left scratching my head. One guys mad and hates the movie because spidey couldn't knock Ock out with one punch????? Geez use your imagination. Theres any one of a number of reasons spidey couldn't or wouldn't knock him out. Spidey was holding back as mentioned before or have you thought about the ramifications of the arms having there own intellegence. The combined psyche's could have made Ock somewhat resistant to a knock out punch. Why do you think Rami added that detail? It can explain alot of things in the plot. Ocks arms motivation for building the machine again????? Geez.. has this really got to be drawn out for you. Pick a reason. Heres a good one. Controlling the reaction was what they were built to do. Without that they have no purpose so naturally they want the machine rebuilt so they can do what they were created to do. One guys mad because theres to much drama and not enough action?????? Are you kidding me. Its been awhile but the last time I picked up a comic book, most of it was drama, building up to the climax of a final confrontation. Its the drama that makes the character a real person that you want to chear for. Without that, who cares if he defeats the villian or not. To go with a movie like this you have to use your imagination and not need a scientific explanation for every little thing. Ponder your own answers to some of these questions. Thats half the fun. As mentioned before within its fantasy world the movie shows excellent realism unlike some of the later silly Batman movies which ask you to make unrealistic leaps of imagination. This movie was excellent and thanks to everyone involved with bringing it to life.

  • July 3, 2004, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Excellent movie, except...

    by Arch_Stanton

    ... the conversation between the "good" Octavius, his wife, and Peter was some of the worst, most phony-baloney scripting ever filmed. I've written better dialogue peeing in snow.

  • July 3, 2004, 5:28 p.m. CST

    best superhero movie, ever

    by ugly

    much better then the origional superman. Best ficticious storyline since Farenheight 9/11

  • July 3, 2004, 7 p.m. CST

    Spidey Rocks & I Need Decaf

    by Evil Chicken

    Small Spoilers!!! Sam Rami & a wonderful cast deliver in a big way. How couldn't you enjoy the operating room with the reminiscent close-ups to the surgical chainsaw? Harry is dead on with his description of this being a Sam Rami picture. I giggled with joy at seeing Stan Lee, once again saving some kid from falling debris. The cast is formidable and fanboys will rejoice. As a side note, at the movie theater I was reminded once again why I don't own a gun. The three "children" sitting next to me, their infant sibling as well as their ineffective mother did nothing but shout, talk and scream like they were guests on the Jerry Springer Show; language and intensity included. Everyone in the audience, including myself were constantly being taken out of the viewing experience by the Children of the Corn due to the fact that we were constantly telling them to "SHHH!" The more dramatic the scene in the film the louder they got. "Beat your children!" I began to shout. "Muzzle them!" Do it now and they might have a chance to stay out of Juvenile Detention Centers and prison cells. The old Magic 8 Ball says it's in their future. They were so far beyond their Mother's feeble attempts at quieting them it was truly sad to see. Perhaps what really troubles me is that deep down I know that the whole 'respect for others' ship sailed a long time ago. It sailed while these kids were deciding on just whom the Lord of the Flies was going to be. I weep for the future. I wouldn't at all be surprised if these children one day formed some sort of terrorist splinter cell or perhaps, if literacy sets in, become telemarketers. After the matinee let out, I had to sit and relax. It was a bad day to give up drinking. On my way out of the theater I didn't expect to see the mom or the heathens again, save for on the six-o-clock news or perhaps a picture hanging at the post office; but there they were, waiting for a ride. I was going to walk off but the occasion had to be marked. I looked deeply into the mother's eyes, raised my hand to punctuate my words and said, "May God have mercy on your soul." And walked away. As for Spiderman 2, it was great. I can't wait to see it again under better circumstances. There is a lot to be said for the energy in a theater opening night. It's a celebration of expectation and story. It's that shared experience of a group of fans. That spark. I missed it this time, but it won't happen in the future. I'll see you there opening night from now on; guaranteed.

  • July 3, 2004, 8:42 p.m. CST

    My Sonnett to Kirsten Dunst

    by Itchy

    Oh, thou sweet, sweet sweater melons, how i would love to spurt upon them.

  • July 3, 2004, 11:54 p.m. CST

    DC COMICS MOVIE UPDATE...

    by stlfilmwire

    I sent out a treatment for an upcoming film based on DC characters... and am hoping it gets into the right hands. Here is quick summary: BACK STORY: The Justice League catches word about a terrible natural disaster in South America, and they realize they are the only hope to save thousands of lives. With Aquaman away on business, The Justice League had decided to leave Wonder Woman behind to hold fort and they all race off to save some lives. When they leave, a dimensional door opens up, and out steps Bizarro. Apparently a pawn in a dangerous plot, Bizarro arrives in an odd krypton laced costume. When he realizes that Superman is nowhere to be found, he smashes up the places and then grabs Wonder Woman (think Lauren Graham) boards the invisible jet (a funny cinema moment), and orders her to fly back through the portal. Just as he is doing so, Aquaman (a more reserved Owen Wilson) comes in during the chaos, and jumps through the portal too. Then, the rest of the movie takes place in a very surreal Bizarro World. There, we find out that the Bizarro Aquaman is the most popular hero... and that Bizarro Wonder Woman looks a bit like Rosie O'Donnell. Aquaman loses track of Wonder Woman and must play detective. He eventually finds himself literally bumping into the invisible jet which has since broke down, and another funny moment occurs where Aquaman wonders how to you fix an invisible jet. We cut back to some awesome action with Wonder Woman... who eventually does battle with Bizarro and then meets the man that hired Bizarro: Bizarro Zan - The Wonder Twin. Bizarro Zan is considered the greatest superhuman of all time (think someone annoying... like Freddie Prinze Jr). And when things get hairy, Wonder Woman is quickly joined by Aquaman to help her battle Bizarro Gleek... a fierce 30 ft tall blue monkey. 7/3/04 by Adam Hackbarth... I post treatments like this while waiting for my pizza.

  • July 4, 2004, 12:42 a.m. CST

    MOVIECHECKPOINTdotcom

    by MOVIECHECKPOINT

    This movie will break Titanic's record. It has already made over 130 million. It is far superior to the original. so they say.

  • July 4, 2004, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Henry Jackson Stuff...

    by stlfilmwire

    What was the deal with Henry Jackson? It seemed like they went out of the way to tell us his last name was Jackson... like we'll have to remember the name in a future movie. I also think having Peter mention how fast he grew is a set up for that to happen in a future Spiderman movie when they have to replace him with an older actor. So picture a 18 year old Henry Jackson... will he be trying to be a Spiderman replacement? Or could he become Venom? To me, he has to fit in somewhere.

  • July 4, 2004, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Plant

    by allfunandgames

    Just kidding - I couldn't resist.

  • July 4, 2004, 3:58 a.m. CST

    I WAS DISAPPOINTED!

    by Messyjoe

    Yes, disappointed, and yes it deserves caps! I should learn not to believe the hype of course. All right what do we get? I little schmuk who is a genius and has spider powers, right? How come he can't do any better to make a few legit bucks with those powers than to deliver pizzas? So that he has to live in a hole and lets his granma get evicted? Hey? Riding his fucking little scooter? All the emotional agonizing? Fine. But being a vigilante can be done without that too. I don't see what MaryJane sees in him, not that she's that hot. By the way how come she lives in a hole too, considering she's a big hot model and actress and all?? I was regularly annoyed by shit like this and believe me I was not looking to pick a fight. Dr Oc is a crazed menace controlled by his tentacles, yet he can be just 'talked' out of his nasty deeds, and he's ready to make nice. No way! And he's got like fucking fusion going on and ducking it in water just puts it out so easily? Please! In some early comic I remember Spiderman spinning some villain into a cocoon, which worked just fine. Now how come he can't try that on one guy. Because you say the villain will break it?? Well it's strong enough to hold a fucking train people! And everyone sees his face! So all these New Yorkers will give up all ideas of tabloid money and fame after the initial rush wears off? No way Jose! All right, finally SPOILER! SPOILER! if you give a shit. Whats with James Franco stumbling on the Green Goblin lair? We're supposed to think that he's gonna do that gig over in the next film? I'm sorry but this stuff and some more (like he looses his powers and gets them back without any valid explanation of either) made me loose patience. And we all know when the mood is ruined it ain't coming back.

  • July 4, 2004, 4:58 a.m. CST

    it is interesting that nobody can justify why Spiderman 2 was AM

    by SirBiatchReturns

    yet i, IndustryKiller and others can come up with so many reasons why it was CRAP.

  • July 4, 2004, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Spider-man 2

    by jheffer

    Spider-man 1 was a masterpiece. It dd everything right for action fans, fanboys, and plain old moviegoers alike. Not since the original Superman film have moviedom and comicdom enjoyied such blissful matrimony. This is why my expectactions for SM2 were so high, and maybe why they suffered a lttie. And as a faboy myself, I thought some of the liberties taken by the producers, more so than in the first one, took me a little off-guard. First, the movie was slow to take off. I liked seeing Peter down in the dregs of a mediocre job, but maybe they could have at first kicked the movie off with an action scene to whet our whistle before we take the long boring trip into Peter's world of the mundane. It's good stuff, just pace it better, guys, don't let me get bored wih it. Then when the action sort of gets going, it's in the form of Harry Osborn, who's transfomation from shy recluse in his father' s shadow to a slicked-back hair and shades sports-agent type seemed a little abrupt. I know he's trying to overcompensate for dad's death and his own insecurity, but it feels forced and his character is deeper than that. The action keeps going with Octavius himself, where the producers make a big departure from his funnybook avatar. Otto here is presented as a wise, urbane, married and cultured scientist who happens to be a genius, but wants to use his knowledge for the best of mankind. Ego is his only flaw.Then the explosion happens, the arms get loose, and he (like the Goblin) starts to lose control of his own mind. It's the arms goading him on, but their ulimate agenda is never fully fleshed out. Do they want him to ascend to word domination or merely to finish the Tritium sphere, and why? (Nice touch with the arms "talking"to him, tho ) The real Ock , the one from the comic is a much more tortured soul. He's the anti-Parker, the dork who got picked on and held a grudge and ultimately dedicated his life to become powerful enough to crush those who once laughed at him, the one who got the power but never learned the responsibilty part. The irony here is that Doc Ock has always figured Spider-Man for one of the same jock bullies who beat him up in hi-school, knocking him down with his wisecracks, when really Parker was on the receiving end of all of that just like him. What a great moment it would have been in the film if this Otto found Peter unmasked and realizes they are kindred spirits after all. When Otto sees what Spider-Man's done with his rotten childhood, with all his power, perhaps Otto could learn from something there as well. Second, Peter's powers. Why does he lose them? Because of some imagined self-doubt? This not in the Spider-man playbook. He can choose to ignore his powers, but they will always still be there; there's no psycological component about them. I actually thought that this might be a cool time to try to have Peter contruct a pair of webshooters while his powers were down, but it never happened. Superman 2 did a far better job of the loss-o-power thing, and more organically; he stepped into a kryptonian chamber and his body was mutated, his powers were taken away. All Spider-man gets is a little cold feet and suddenly he's falling from walls? Naaah. His powers are purely physical and would need to disabled in a scientifc, not psychsomatic, way. Third, the film was a litle Parker-heavy and not enough Spidey v. Ock. The whole subplot with May losing the house, Peter's confession to her about uncle Ben, and the Uncle Ben dream sequence (was it a dream? hallucination? it was done kind of weird) was unnecessary as well. Peter could have come to the realization that he is needed as Spider-man in a simpler, more elegant way. Also, who were the landlord and the Russian waif girl. Is this just comic relief or am I missing something here? Fourth and finally, does the whole world know that Peter Parker is Spier-Man now? He took his mask off to everybody!! Cute moment on the train, but couldn't he have webbed up a temporary mask in the meantime? Also, I think he would have broken his leg trying to stop the train along the wooden rail-beams with his feet. He's strong, he's fast, he ain't Superman. Oh well, good that Mary Jane knows anyway (as if with that upside-down kiss she didn't know already). But other than those fanboy complaints, this was a solid film. Great action, genuine horror moments from the arms, and some nicely-done art-house crap a la Mr. Raimi's Butch & Sundance homage with "Raindrops Keep Fallin' On My Head." Loved the scene with Spidey in the elevator as well. Votes for next villains? Obviously the Lizard will be making an appearance, which is cool. And Goblin jr. wil be back. But I think the next Big Spidey Baddie should be Venom!! The return of the black costume, the alien symbiote, Eddie Brock... and think of the CG possibilities. Anyway, that's my two bits. A little long, a little depressing and self-inolved. But then again, so was Empire.

  • July 4, 2004, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Actually, I thought that Spidey 2 was pretty lame. (SPOILERS)

    by TheSumOfGod

    And they totally ruined the character of Doc Ock. I mean, now he's merely a puppet being manipulated by the a.i. of his sentiant tentacles? What a stupid concept. And the they drowned him in the river at the end... wow. I thought Sam Raimi was supposed to be this genius director, but apparently his talent has become limited to ridiculous freakin' campy screaming women everywhere. Spidey 1 is much better.

  • July 4, 2004, 8:14 p.m. CST

    SirBiatchReturns

    by WoodyStiffer

    You need a hot lead enema. "Can someone please explain why no one can JUSTIFY why S2 is AMAZING?". Well moron... that's because it's all an OPINION. Look it up. Opinions aren't fact based. THEY CAN'T BE JUSTIFIED MORON - AS MUCH AS YOUR OPINION CANNOT BE "JUSTIFIED". I, for one, happened to like the movie. Your posts wouldn't have bothered me, save for the fact that you've posted OVER AND OVER about the fucking film. You've got your panties in a twist for no reason. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just relax and realize this. And fucking get laid for fucks sake.

  • July 5, 2004, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Hated the first. Love the second.

    by zenragan

    Spiderman 2 is everything Spiderman 1 should have been. Characters you can care about, Subplots that make you laugh, cry, smile and cheer. A story that moves rather than plods and an ending that has you screaming in anticipation for Spidey 3. This is a great film. Far far better than the first and up there with the first Batman, the second Superman and both X-Men films.

  • July 5, 2004, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Friggin' sweet. If only all "big" movies could be like this.

    by Devil'sOwn

    Doc Ock was a total baaad mota-scoota, while actually being sympathetic. Tobey inhabited this role. Kirsten was hot. And all the supporting characters were right on- funny and heartfelt. I'm sure I'll like it even better when I see it again. And to all the panty- stains complaining about the character- development, dialogue, plot, etc.- Are you familiar with the concept of Spider-Man? If you're so put- off by such moments, why would you even consider going to this movie? If you want a stoic, non- morally conflicted hero bust some heads, go see Chronicles of Riddick. Or better yet spare us all, and stay home to watch the latest Grunt-Fest on TNT, mmmmkay?

  • July 5, 2004, 11:33 a.m. CST

    No SirBiatchReturns.....

    by Rapmaster C

    People can say that films like Spiderman 2 had heart - we all make our own judgements on whether there was good character development or not. Just because you or someone else says it didn't is the not the be-all, end-all of opinions. Stop trying to be big know-it-all, making grandiose statements as if you're the only one who knows what he's talking about. There are enough people like that.

  • July 5, 2004, 4:23 p.m. CST

    by sabian123

  • July 5, 2004, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Dont drop the ball!

    by sabian123

    I've been a fan of spiderman for yrs and i must say these new movies have been 2 of the best experiences i have had in cinema in a long time. It been a while since ive sat in a seat in pure anticipation. A long time since i was filled with chills by a simple logo. I mean spiderman two is indeed a comic book geeks wet dream. I mean i cant explain the pure excitement i got out of this movie! From spiderman stopping the train to him catching that wall before it crushed maryjane. Then harry finding the goblin equipment. That was pure comic book to its core! If this movie is going in the direction I think it is than any doubts I had in the first one will be erased. If harry does indeed become the goblin with a few modifications creating a brand new persona, the hobgoblin. Not in the comics but a sensable way of introducing tne character. Sadly in order for harrys last words in pt 1 to have any meaning. Then he does need to have his revenge. Meaning someone must die and sadly to say that someone must be maryjane. It would be a twist that would rock the comic world. Hey I was'nt thrilled that Gwen stacy was not used because her death has had a impact on spiderman that was probablly even more powerful for the simple fact that he was unable to save her. This is the little inconsistencies in the movie. You see goblin was supposed to be his greatest nemesis because one he knew peters identity and two killed of his greatest love. Instead the original goblin comes off as a little bitch so to speak as otto seems more vicious then the goblin. Even harry does a better job of playing a darker character in pt 2. He really was'nt real significant except that he was harrys father. The burglar in spiderman 1 had the greatest impact when the goblin should have been the one putting the nail in the coffin. Hey im not trying to nock what is wrong with these movies but explain why maryjane must die. Spiderman has always been about the tragedies. The death of captain stacey,gwen stacey. Moving out of the way as the sin eater killed the people in the crowd, flash thomsons accident, losing his baby. If gwen had been in the first one it would make greater sense why he wont let himself love mary jane. Spiderman has'nt had enough enemies yet in these two movies to say if my enemies were to find out. So if harry does indeed have his revenge then the third movie cannot end happily. If raimi does not intend to drop the ball in these new stories then take us in the direction they are heading. We all know it but if he steps on the brakes then were all in for a big let down. I dont hate maryjane its just when raimi changed the story from gwen to maryjane then it makes perfect sense. In the comics peter lost that one girl that he loved. At the beggining of one he says that the story is all about a girl. Well that will have more of an impact if in the movies the women intended to be his wife is killed by a act of revenge. Thus making up for the storyline raimi walked away from so long ago. 2 great movies that have a chance to have a third chapter that could very well be remembered just as star wars and lord of the rings was but in a different way. SO raimi please dont drop the ball!!!!!!!!

  • July 5, 2004, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Cool

    by Caerdwyn

    Just got back from S2. Good stuff. There were some plot holes now that you've all been so gracious to point them out to me, but during the movie I did not take note of them. I wasn't exactly spellbound by the flick, but I was enthralled enough and did not have time nor the desire to pick it apart. This is the first movie I've been to in a long time where I've actually felt for one of the characters. Seeing how rough Peter had it, trying to balance his life and Spiderman's duty, and how he could not just come out and scream "I AM SPIDERMAN, THAT'S WHY I WAS LATE TO YOUR PLAY!" really hit home. He was troubled, and it has a physical impact on him. Yeah, yeah, he didn't lose his powers, they were always there, but his CONTROL was slipping. Take a professional driver, who can practically drive with his eyes closed, and stress him out. Cloud his mind. Have his every waking moment be caught up in some internal struggle, and you'd see his "powers" slip too. It goes for everyone. Peter was "losing it" and he needed to get the weight off his shoulders. I can understand that. Look at the party scene, where MJ puts the kibash on him, Harry flips out, his boss is screaming at him, and he can't even get a fucking hors d'ouvres. All that shit can build up inside you, and it obviously was telling Peter that he sucked. Anyway. Raimi's nods to his earlier films and comic-panels were great, I especially liked the surgery scene. My only complaint would be that the Spiderman mask came off waaay too often. He could have revealed himself to Doc Ock, okay. MJ would see it, because she's right there. Harry wanted to know who it was who killed his father. All acceptable. But taking his mask off on the train? You can't guarantee that not ONE of those passengers will tell the story about who Spiderman really is. It's human nature to tell a secret. But, that aside, it was worth full price. If you see this film and can't take ONE good thing away from it, you must be a troglodyte.

  • July 6, 2004, 12:34 a.m. CST

    You sad... sad people...

    by Mako

    I love the insane dissection that is going on here. Too bad you can't enjoy a movie for what it's worth. Just A MOVIE!! Spider-Man 2 was better than the first one. And I'm sorry if you ADD and can't stil thru DRAMA. So sad for you. Great for me :)

  • July 6, 2004, 7:40 a.m. CST

    by educational

    1. If in the first movie, osbourne(dafoe) is"out" of oscorp, how does harry become part of the company and head of research and developement? 2. dock ock pratically killing peter and mj with the car, then challenging spidey at the clock tower?- not much sense. overall the film was well done for its "genre" despite some loop holes. Id rather have it made than not. it would have been much worse in another hollywood big wigs director's hands.

  • July 6, 2004, 8:03 a.m. CST

    A good kiddie flick!

    by Lost in Uranus

    Man was I all excited to see this one. Ebert and Roeper gave it "2 Thumbs Up..way up" and Rotten Tomatoes had it at "94% Fresh". That many people can't be wrong..can they? In my opinion Spiderman 2 isn't a bad movie, but its not a good one either. Maybe my expectations were set too high by all the good word of mouth and critic reviews. Maybe. But like some people here pointed out, I found myself being distracted by all kinds of things in this movie that just didnt make sense and I will not get into detail since they have been previously covered by other people posting here.(Mechanical tentacles with pre-assigned personalities anyone?) Once again, I just couldnt invest myself in any of the characters. Very much like the first one, this is a good Hollywood film for kids 12 and under. For those who buy the toys and put spidey stickers all over their lunch boxes. But for the high school graduates and significantly educated type, or just anyone looking for a bit more substance (and a good message for your kids to top it all off) save your money and go buy a little film that (shamefully to our credit) didnt make as much money as it deserved. That movie is "The Iron Giant". You will find more human emotion in a minute of TIG than in SPIDEY 2. And they both have lots of CG!

  • July 6, 2004, 8:27 a.m. CST

    In the words of Helen Lovejoy

    by Lost in Uranus

    In certain scenes during Spidey 1 and 2 the following words should have being captioned somewhere at the bottom: SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

  • July 6, 2004, 10:16 a.m. CST

    spiderman

    by youtooktomuchman

    This movie sucked, it made me feel like a little sissy getting teary eyed at a comic book movie.

  • July 6, 2004, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Bobby Peru

    by SlothLuvChunk

    Man: I haven't posted here in years, but I had to, just to respond to Bobby Peru's prediciton of a 80 percent dropoff for Farentheit 9//11's second week. To which I say: Smallest drop off of the week, bitch!

  • July 6, 2004, 8:32 p.m. CST

    On Spidey's mask removal

    by Cajun Lightning

    Spoilers! I at first thought it was needlessly ballsy for Spiderman to take of his mask in the train scene, but when I thought about it for two seconds, I realized something. So a bunch of people in a train know what Spiderman looks like. So what? They don't know it's Peter Parker, freelance photographer and all around loser. Who the hell knows who Peter Parker is? No one. Who the hell cares who Peter Parker is? No one. It's not like it's Bruce Wayne, who is a local celebrity. So what are these people going to tell the papers? Spiderman has brown hair and blue eyes! No one cares, and in a city the size of New York, it's likely he'll never run into those people again. Plus, they were trying to make a thematic point. But if you want to be anal, there's really no need. It still holds up reasonably well for a comic book movie. You all buy the Superman glasses thing with no problem.

  • July 8, 2004, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Venom Talk

    by JockoJohnson

    goonie I think you are on the right track there! I think John does indeed have the symbiot on him already. viol8tor are you on crack? I think Venom can only be done correctly if he shows up in #4. First off, the symbiot is supposed to spend a while as Spidey's suit. That's where it gets the spider abilities from in the first place. So picture Spidey kickin arse in that sweet black suit in #3. SWEET! The symbiot feeds off emotions and would probably be attracted to Spidey if he were to come into contact with John. So Spidey could have his suit for a while before they figure out its a life form. The other nice thing would be that over the course of #3 we could be introduced to Eddie Brock and see his life turn to crap. After all, it is Brock's rage that drives the symbiot nuts and thus we get Venom. And it's the symbiot's time with Spidey that allowed it to give Venom the spider powers. I like how they left the hints about the symbiot super subtle so they can either move forward with the Venom plot or abandon it if its not feasible (I.E. if they can't make 4 movies). I don't think they would be willing to ruin Venom as a character just for the sake of squeezing him into the next movie. Or at least I hope not.

  • July 9, 2004, 1:39 p.m. CST

    This was a good movie

    by Viz

    The pizzas, the elevator ride with its a little tight in the crotch, shooting blanks because this life is stessing me out, awe gawking with the subway passengers at this kid who's really no older than my son, the always humorously insensitive triple J, i'm back!..ouch...my back- I haven't been this excited after seeing a big summer movie in a long time.

  • July 11, 2004, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Spider-Man 2

    by sickofdotcom

    Loved the first one, not so much the 2nd

  • Now I haven't seen, and probably won't see, I Robot (it just looks awful) but I did see Spidey 2 in action and let me say that by no stretch of the imagination is this the best comic movie ever... It ranks far down the list..Better than one, but one was lame, so that's not saying much. As for my Quint question, if he thought I Robot was obvious, what about Spider man.... When they go to see nuclear fusion, the reporter only asks about how he can control the smart tenticles, he says the ship so what do we know will be destroyed in the very next scene???? gee i wonder if it's the stupid control chip.. LAME!!! It continues like that for the whole stupid ass movie.. no suprises, just horrible acting.. my 10

  • July 16, 2004, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Hey I have an I dea, hello? Hello? Oh you've all gone.

    by Usskerouac

    Why can there be two villians in the next Spidey movie but not have them work in cahoots with each other, have the first half of the film one villain (For example the hobgoblin/Green Goblin 2 i.e. Harry Osbourne) and then have him being defeted, but have this defeat tied into the next different villian appearing(For example Venom appears to kill Spider-man as set up by Harry Osbourne if he failed in his task) Then we have two villains, lots more action and it doesn't tread the usual steps of the super-hero film. What do you think? And no jock talk nonsense, I'm sensitive, to a degree. Oh, and sorry if someone has already come up with idea, but I'm only a wee bit sorry.

  • July 19, 2004, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Don't you guys get it??!!

    by JT Styler

    The Styler is here.Why are so many of you guys such bitches? The overwhelming general consensus is that the Lord of the Rings films were excellent, to put it mildly. Similarly the same applies to Spiderman 2, a consensus which I agree with as well having seen the film twice. I agree that Doctor Octopus was somewhat wasted, being poorly fleshed out but to counter sone of your arguments - 1. THE MASK HAD TO COME OFF IN THE COURSE OF THE FILM SEVERAL TIMES. - You cannot act under a complete facial mask without appearing to be in a Power Rangers film. Thank God Raimi realised this. It was one of the problem in S1 especially with the Green Goblin. Tobey Maguire nails this - you can see everything in a face - anger, pain, uncertainty etc. Bravo, Raimi 2. ACTION SCENES ALONE DO NOT MAKE A MOVIE. I love X2 but the one area where it fall below X1 is emotional depth. Spidey 2 has this in spades. Thank God for those 'boring' scenes as some of you jokes have called them. Spidey films should always be about Peter Parker, (a normal young guy down on his luck and trying to do the right thing), something that never happened in the Batman films. Misery especially human misery makes for better drama, allowing us to connect with Parker. Most of y'all are ungrateful bitches who should kiss the ground Raimi walks on. Unless Shitwoman and Green Wanktern are more your speed. The Styler has spoken

  • July 20, 2004, 7:26 a.m. CST

    great review

    by brucebanner

    I also loved Spiderman 2. Your review also revealed your passion for the movie.

  • July 21, 2004, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 3 Obvious Spoilers

    by TheSlapBetCommisioner

    I think eveyone has missed something as far as Spidey 3 goes. Watch the film again, and bear in mind a few things from the first film. Raimi and his set production team like COLOUR COORDINATION. In Spidey 1, Norman O is always surrounded by the colour green, just like Harry in 2 (the GREEN bowtie anyone)coordinating him with the Goblin's colour scheme. Now look at Spidey 2, what colour is John Jameson, son of JJJ, ALWAYS standing next to, or wearing.....BLACK. Venom he will be, like it or not. Also check out the scene near the end when he jumps to the boat to see MJ, look at the sailor's expression, SOMETHING is up there. Personally, if they have to do Venom, I'd rather see Brock, and they do it right, and while ol'big V ain't my favourite villain, not by a long shot, I think he'd be be the biggest draw for the franchise, and it would make good cinema visually to see Spidey vs Venom. I dunno, I just can't see tho, how they can fit the storyline into one film, I also don't see the Lizard being a main villain at any point, the big 3 villains have always been Goblin, Doc Ock and Venom, so it makes sense to have those three in the proposed trilogy.

  • July 21, 2004, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Very Good, But Flawed

    by Flix

    Hello Harry. "Spider Man 2" is a very good movie and I higly recoomend it, but it's not perfect. The first flaw is the villan. Alfred Molina is very good as Doc Ock but the Green Goblin was a much better villian. The Goblin was scarier and more manacing than Doc Ock. I wonder how the Goblin's "return" will be in the next movie. Another flaw is Spider Man's apparent invincibility. He now has the ability to survive falls from hundreds of yards in the air (and bounce off buildings like a ball in a pinball machine) and being slammed fiercely into brick walls by Doc Ock without getting as much as a single speck of dust on his spidey suit. Come on! Living in New Jersey I visit New York City a lot. In all my visits over the years I have noticed that New York City DOES NOT HAVE AN ELEVATED TRAIN! If you're looking for trains in New York City, you have to look underground. For elevated trains in NEw York you have to go to Brooklyn and the Bronx. That flaw took away from the train fight and rescue scene. Finally, any comic book movie fan knows that the subplot in which Peter decides to give up being Spider Man to be with the woman he loves was recycled right out of "Superman II." By the way Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst STILL have no chemistry on screen. "Spider Man 2" was an energetic and exciting movie, but as I have pointed out, it has it's flaws.

  • July 31, 2004, 3:43 p.m. CST

    very good film!

    by Fugazi32

    I'm happy with it... :) Well done Raimi! Bruce Campbell made an appearance too, and I like the EVIL DEAD reference in the operating room... ;)

  • Aug. 7, 2004, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Your wrong Harry

    by Battousai

    Movies may be more complete but comics are much more intimate, like reading a book. The only reason comics are lagging is because no one is properly utilizing it's potential. Oh and your fat.

  • Feb. 5, 2005, 2:11 p.m. CST

    last!

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Help me, I think I am becoming jaded in relation to the movies !!! In the past year I can only think of 2 films that I out and out loved; Shaun and LOTR: The Two Towers. Other films, like Spiderman 2, have some great things to be admired in them but I cannot love the things. In fact though I went out and bought the Spidey 2 DVD I haven't really been interested enough to watch it yet.So, whilst I accept that it may just be me, I cannot find a lot to say wrong about Spiderman 2, but I can't find it in me to praise it to the roof tops either.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Fuck you..I'm last

    by FrodosBlueBalls

    SP2 kicked balls

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:54 a.m. CST

    More last...

    by abbottoklus

    Still my favourite superhero movie ever and one of my faves of all time, even after Rises and Avengers...