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Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

Can’t really say how I saw it. Can’t really say where I saw it. Rest assured... it was the final cut, and it’s the same film you’ll be seeing when it opens at the end of this month.

So what can I say? Well, let me begin by stating for the record, this is exponentially better than the first SPIDER-MAN, and it does for this franchise what X2 did for the X-MEN series, turning up everything that fans liked about the first film and introducing a whole hell of a lot of new things to enjoy. So far, it’s pretty obvious that X-MEN and SPIDER-MAN are the crown gems of the Marvel Films universe, and I have a feeling that when fans get a load of this movie, they’re going to go into full-system shock at just how right it is.

As I prepared to write this review, I went back and read what I wrote about the original SPIDER-MAN when it was released in 2002. A lot of times, we’re forced as reviewers to write while still flush from just having seen something, and we don’t get the chance to reflect on a picture at all. I’ve given myself a few days to mull over my reaction to SPIDER-MAN 2 because I wanted to see if I was just amped from having seen it, or if I really did think it was a significant step up and one of the best efforts in the comic book genre thus far. Reading back over my original review, I think I was actually really even-handed in my praise of that picture. This time out, having carefully considered my words and having had time to fully digest the picture, allow me to throw caution to the wind. I fucking loved this movie from end to end, and I think it has just raised the bar again for what we should expect from Marvel Films. More importantly, Sam Raimi has proven himself to be not just a damn fine commercial filmmaker, but has also finally managed to make a mainstream movie that is 100% Sam Raimi. Up till now, I’ve always felt like he was holding back, like he was playing it careful. But this time, every eccentricity I’ve always loved about him as a filmmaker has been given free reign... and it’s glorious.

Beware... I’m going to talk spoilers in this review. You’ve already read the short version: I loved it. If you stay now, do so at your own risk. The film’s opening title sequence is going to get you all hopped up before you even see a frame of the movie. Alex Ross has indeed contributed a pretty amazing sequence, and it does a great job of reminding us of the emotional high points from the first film. Another thing that I immediately loved about this movie over the first one may seem like a really geeky thing to notice, but it’ll make a difference to a lot of you: it’s 2.35:1 this time. Scope. And Raimi and his cinematographer Bill Pope make the most of the new scale of things. Right away, as soon as the titles are finished, the movie kicks into a scene about Peter Parker, pizza delivery guy, and we get a hint of Raimi’s agenda this time out. Peter’s working for a guy who runs a pizza delivery place with a 29-minute guarantee. Even with Peter turning into Spider-Man and webswinging his way over a traffic jam, he isn’t able to make his delivery on time, and he ends up losing his job. If the first film was about how hard it was to become Spider-Man, then this movie is all about how hard it is to live with that decision. You could almost call this one SPIDER-MAN 2: PETER GETS KICKED IN THE JUNK, and you’d have a pretty good idea of what to expect. They heap misery on him, and Raimi is an expert at turning the screws, racheting up the suffering in scene after scene.

We’ve all heard the story now about how Jake Gyllenhaal almost took over the role of Peter Parker this time out, but I can’t imagine this film without Tobey Maguire. He is not just one of our best young actors, he’s also damn funny, and this film manages to really tap into the sense of humor that has always distinguished Spider-Man from a lot of the other superhero icons. Tobey brings just the right amount of vulnerability to the role, and as things get worse and worse for him, he always manages to remind us of why we like Peter Parker in the first place. He’s a smart kid, trying to do the right thing, and he genuinely cares about the people around him even when they don’t understand him. His relationships with Mary Jane (Kirsten Dunst) and Harry Osborn (James Franco) have suffered in the time since the first film ended, but he knows that this is a sacrifice he has to make. Even as things get more and more difficult for him, he does whatever he can to uphold what he sees as his responsibilities.

It’s as a student that he wrangles a chance to meet Dr. Otto Octavius (Alfred Molina), a brilliant scientist who is working on a fusion project for Oscorp. Harry’s convinced that he’s finally found something that will prove he is the right choice to run his father’s company, and he’s pouring tons of money into the project. He’s the one who orders Octavius to take a little time and show Peter around. Octavius ends up really liking Peter, and in one of the few scenes in the film’s first half where Peter isn’t getting punished in one way or another, he and Octavius actually have a great bonding conversation. When Peter misses a performance of Mary Jane’s play, despite all his assurances that he will be there, it’s because of a situation that demands his attention as Spider-Man. He tries to slip in late, but he comes face to face with a fairly snotty usher, played by none other than The Chin, Bruce Campbell, in one of the film’s funniest moments. He gives great smarm, and he has perfect chemistry with Maguire. Peter’s so upset by how one side of his life keeps intruding on the other that his powers actually begin to fade. He finds himself unable to produce webbing at a key moment, and his eyesight is suddenly not as keen as it once was. He’s not sure what could be causing the problem at first, never connecting it to the stress of his dual life.

And that stress just keeps getting worse and worse. The day of the big demonstration arrives at Oscorp, and Peter’s there to watch as things go terribly, tragically wrong for Octavius. His adoring wife Rosie (Donna Murphy) is killed, and the AI-driven robot arms that he uses to handle the tridium samples that fuel his experiment somehow become grafted onto him when the fusion machine goes haywire. It’s a great action moment, but even better is what happens when Octavius wakes up. If you’ve got any question about who directed this movie, it will evaporate when you see just how incredibly EVIL DEAD this moment becomes. A Doc Ock arm with a chainsaw. POV shots as the arms rush around the room and kill people. This is absolutely Raimi, and the fact that he’s worked with Bill Pope as far back as DARKMAN and ARMY OF DARKNESS probably helps a lot. He’s comfortable here, and as a result, he’s more confident. He’s able to let his own personality shine through, and the result is a sequence that will have long-time Raimi fans on their feet, cheering.

Peter’s job as a photographer hangs by a thread, pun fully intended, due to his reluctance to sell photos of Spider-Man to J. Jonah Jameson (the still-hilarious J.K. Simmons). Jameson continues to portray Spidey as a menace every chance he gets, and it drives Peter crazy that he has to be part of that process. He does finally talk J.J. into sending him on another assignment, a society event, but he doesn’t realize what it is until it’s too late. He ends up having to take pictures of the party where Mary Jane announces her engagement to another man, J.J.’s son, the astronaut John Jameson (Daniel Gillies). It’s wrenching for him, and you can almost hear Peter’s heart break as he has to take the photos.

And still, all of this is just revving up to the real meat of the film, which starts to kick in around the time Doc Ock makes his debut as a criminal, having been driven mad by his own AI-driven tentacles. Seems he’s determined to reproduce his experiment, but on an even bigger level, and he’s going to need some funding to build what he wants. Aunt May (Rosemary Harris) and Peter are in a bank, trying to get a loan to help ease some of her financial problems, when Doc Ock shows up and tries to rob the place. Peter has no choice but to abandon Aunt May and change into his costume so he can try to stop Doc Ock. At this point, if your pulse doesn’t race and you aren’t completely floored by the action, go ahead and get up and leave the theater. You don’t deserve all the insane coolness that is overstuffed into the rest of the movie. I’ve never seen a superhero fight as otherworldly and fun as the moments where Spidey and Doc Ock go head to head. Never. Not in any film. For one thing, Doc Ock is simply a more visually appealing villain than, say, the Green Goblin in the first film or the Joker in the original BATMAN. It helps that Alfred Molina plays the character with a lot of charm. Before the accident, he’s a driven professional, but he’s also shown to be a loving husband and his reaction to Peter’s youthful enthusiasm about his work is pretty genuine. There’s an inhibitor chip that is supposed to keep the tentacles under his control, and when it gets damaged, they begin to assert an actual personality over him. It’s creepy, and Molina plays it really well. He isn’t a conventional bad guy, and because he’s not just some moustache-twirling meanie, he remains interesting the entire time he’s on camera. Even when he drops out for a stretch of the film, you’ll find yourself eagerly anticipating his return.

That big fight forces Peter to the breaking point, and his powers seem to completely disappear. He makes a choice to take his life back, to abandon the Spider-Man persona once and for all, and he does his best to slip back into the normal life of Peter Parker. There’s a montage set to a very famous song from another film that seemed like an odd, even slightly insane choice, when it started, but it’s absolutely inspired the way Raimi and his editor Bob Murawski have put it together. We share in Peter’s joy at his decision, and he seems to think that he’ll be able to pick back up where he left off before that fateful spider-bite. Of course, it’s not that easy, and no matter how hard he tries, he’s not really able to turn his back on people in need. The one scene I don’t like in the movie happens in the middle of this stretch of the film, a dream conversation with Uncle Ben (watch closely for the Ashmobile) that is completely unnecessary. There’s a much, much better moment that comes soon after where Peter reveals his role in Ben’s death to Aunt May to her obvious horror, and it works because it’s not just some lame inner voice hectoring him. He has to actually face his past actions again and see how much they hurt someone he cares for.

At the same time, Mary Jane and Harry are both wrestling with their own doubts and demons, giving us some really nice moments like when MJ asks her fiancée to kiss her upside down for comparison’s sake, or when Harry gets drunk at her engagement party and lashes out at Peter physically. It’s nice to see that this film builds on the ideas from the first one and isn’t just a sequel where nothing of significance takes place. These characters are growing, and everything that happens to them actually has an effect.

Once Peter realizes that his choices do cause ripples in the world around him, he’s able to regain his powers and become Spider-Man again, and the film’s second hour features several giant-scale action scenes, including the one onboard the elevated train, that are pure geek bliss. The film runs right around the two hour mark, and it’s packed. So much happens, and so much of it is so important for these characters, that you’ll find yourself a little breathless by the end. This is relentlessly paced, and you can almost imagine turning the pages of a comic book faster and faster in an effort to learn what happens next.

By the end of the film, several people have learned Peter’s secret identity, and instead of coming off like a plot contrivance, as I feared, each one of these revelations carries emotional weight. Instead of copping out and figuring out a way to reset after playing these big moments, the film plays fair and shows that Peter’s life is going to change once and for all. The last scene of the movie, in particular, hit me hard. It’s beautifully written and perfectly played, and it actually brought tears to my eyes. When you hear the way Kirsten Dunst deploys the word “tiger” at just the right moment, in just the right way, you’re going to want to rip the roof off the theater. It makes you feel ten feet tall, the same way it impacts Peter, and it will send you out of the theater walking on air.

Everyone who contributed special effects to the film deserves praise. They’ve significantly improved upon the work in the first film, and I am deeply impressed by the sense of motion as Spider-Man makes his way through the city. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a superhero battle that is the equal of the extended elevated train sequence, both when Peter is fighting Doc Ock and when he’s dealing with the runaway train itself. It’s edge-of-the-seat stuff, exciting and genuinely heroic, and it shows just how far Peter has evolved, and also just how young he really is still. He’s a kid. He’s so young, and he’s accepted all of this responsibility, and he seems so willing to lay down his own life for total strangers that you can’t help but be impressed by him. The effects are so seamless that you stop thinking about how they did what. Instead, you believe what you are watching, and the result is that it’s far more involving, at times almost too intense to bear.

Maguire and Molina should be singled out from the cast. They both do what they were hired to do very, very well. Dunst and Franco do as much as they can with what they’re given, and when they need to deliver on a big moment, they do. Rosemary Harris is a great Aunt May, even if her big scene is overwritten to some extent. If there’s any complaint I have about the cast, it’s that we never seem to get enough J. Jonah Jameson. J.K. Simmons is uproarious, and there’s one scene of his that didn’t make the final cut of the movie that better show up on the DVD when you eventually get around to putting it together. You know the one, Marvel. It sounds like the most insanely lunatic image, and it would explain so much of this man's bitterness in one fell swoop.

This sets up a SPIDER-MAN 3 so well that you will probably go a little bit crazy when you realize it’s going to be three years before we see the next one. The ending of this film is enormously satisfying, but so many great ideas have been introduced that the wait will be insufferable. The last major scene with Harry is a direct echo of Willem Dafoe’s best scene in the first film, and the way the scene resolves will make you gasp. It’s audacious, and it suggests any number of terrible possibilities.

I could go on and on and on about all the things I love in this film. The scene in the elevator. The introduction of Dr. Connors to the series. J. Jonah’s moment of honesty and his abrupt about-face. Scotty Spiegel’s cameo. The sly joke about Tobey’s back injuries. “Hi.” “... hi.” “This is kinda heavy.” The hands catching Spider-Man and pulling him back to the train. The snake-like way Doc Ock’s tentacles move in close-up. More Betty Brant, always a good thing. Ted Raimi spitballing villain names with J.J. And on and on and on. But you’ll be seeing the film at the end of the month, and you’ll find your own things to love about it. I look forward to seeing this again with a paying crowd and hearing their reaction to certain moments, certain lines of dialogue, and seeing how they react to some of the key twists.

In the meantime, I’m going to replay it in my head, and I’m going to count the days down, and I’m going to bask in the glow that comes from seeing one of my favorite cult directors finally step up and become one of the best mainstream directors in the business. Even if the screenplay credit goes to Alvin Sargent and even if the story credit goes to Millar and Gough, there’s really no doubt that this is a personal film played out on the largest possible canvass, the dream that Raimi’s carried around since childhood finally realized. This is pure SPIDER-MAN, straight from the tap, and it’s absolutely transporting. I can’t recommend it highly enough.

"Moriarty" out.

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  • June 7, 2004, 6:29 a.m. CST


    by K0NY

    Very interesting FIRST review!

  • June 7, 2004, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Ah, but will it rule bigger than Napolean Dynamite?

    by TotoroSan

    I don't think so.

  • June 7, 2004, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Yes, but did you like it?

    by stlfilmwire


  • June 7, 2004, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Moriarty you lucky, lucky bastard..! For once I'm jealous.

    by workshed

    Stopped reading at the introduction of spoilers but this sounds like the dog's BALLS. Always had faith in Sam once Sony gave him free rein to let him work his magic. Now, when's the $250 million budget Evil Dead going to arrive..? After Spiderman 3 by the looks of things but once he's raked in a couple more billion for Sony they'd let him do a remake of Plan 9 From Outer Space.

  • June 7, 2004, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Yes, Drew, but you loved DAREDEVIL.

    by Cash Bailey

    Hate to be a hater, but DD was achingly ass-tacular.

  • June 7, 2004, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Fair Enough, Cash

    by drew mcweeny

    I'd also point out that I'm quite fond of HULK. I think I have a pretty well-documented fetish for superhero films of all sorts. The best comparison here though is the X-MEN series. As I said in the review, those films and the SPIDER-MAN films stand above everything else that Marvel has produced so far. If you want to totally toss out my opinion about this one because of DAREDEVIL, I certainly won't be upset, but I think you're going to be really, really amazed by what you see at the end of the month.

  • June 7, 2004, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Well, if it's, supposedly, significantly better than the first o

    by SalvatoreGravano

    ...that means it's only average at best, since the first Spiderman was a hugh pile of rhinoceros excrement.

  • June 7, 2004, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Props, Drew.

    by Cash Bailey

    Maybe Molina will make sitting through Kirsten Dunst's non-acting tolerable. And maybe after this someone may have the sense to cast James Franco in a Jeff Buckley bio-pic.

  • June 7, 2004, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Considering that Mori was pretty positive on the first "Spiderma

    by SmarkJobber

    ...I expect to be merely satisfied with "2." First one was pretty assy IMO, but since Mori is lobbing accolades and doing glirly cartwheels around this one, I'll sport for a matinee ticket or sneak in.

  • June 7, 2004, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Looks like a winner..

    by JAGUART

    I skipped the spoilers, and look forward to seeing the Wet Dunst Twins again.

  • June 7, 2004, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Can't wait

    by Darth Thoth

    I stopped reading before the spoilers but this movie still sounds like a winner. Thanks for the review. I can't wait.

  • June 7, 2004, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Looking Forward to this one.

    by 2LeggedFreak

    The first film had its faults but I can't help thinking that my main source of not feeling hyped over it was probably overfamiliarity with the subject matter, I mean Spidey Origin and Death of the Green Goblin have to be the two most read Spiderman stories there are. Now we get into relatively fresher territory and with Sam Raimi getting into his stride it looks like we are in for a ride. Go Webs! Shazam! Up Up and Away

  • June 7, 2004, 7:42 a.m. CST


    by granhalcon

    Just kidding. Somebody had to say it...

  • Her relationship with Peter seemed to progress so naturally, never feeling forced or rushed like in DAREDEVIL. I loved those few tender moments between the two of them when they finally begin to open up to each other, I thought those were some of the strongest scenes in the movie and part of what made it work me. I'm glad to hear that the sequel will allow these characters to grow and that there will be consequences for the choices made in this one.

  • June 7, 2004, 7:43 a.m. CST


    by darth sars

    i want a spoiler free version!

  • June 7, 2004, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Anyone With Doubts

    by Playhouse

    Read the spoilers. I was going to see this anyway, having been one of the few fans of the first movie (despite it's $400 mil domestic gross spurned on by repeat viewing, ahem...). But this whole review, spoilers included, make me want to make love to the damn thing. It's salacious. Seriously, if you are doubting the movie at all, read the spoilers section and prepare to be fascinated all over again in the way you were before the first movie came out.

  • June 7, 2004, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Is this genuine?

    by Mister McClane

    Sorry to doubt you Mori but this kinda reads like a general summation of the script / novel. Points you raise could be predicted before seeing the dang thing. What about a bit more on the SFX, more details. Can you not specify how exactly you saw this when NO-ONE else has? Surely we're not going to get a ridiculous 'Attack of the Clones' I'll-never-reveal-my-source all over again, are we?

  • June 7, 2004, 11:23 a.m. CST

    So what ever happened to Michael Chabon's screen credit???

    by EL Duderino

    I thought Alvin Sergent was only making minor "polishes" to the script, yet now it seems he's attained sole credit for writing the whole damn thing. Moriarty, do you have any idea what stuff from Chabon's script actually made it to the screen?? Don't get me wrong, the movie sounds like a fricken cream-in-yer-jeans good time and I don't have much doubt that the final shooting script was probably as good if not better than Chabon's draft... but did Sergent's alterations actually warrant that he win the coveted "screenplay by" credit while Chabon's name is nowhere to be seen?

  • June 7, 2004, 11:47 a.m. CST

    How can anyone still be complaining about Daredevil??

    by Blok Narpin

    That movie was great. I can understand people not liking Hulk or Punisher. I enjoyed both for what they were but neither was a great movie. Daredevil, on the other had, was wonderful. It was a perfect Marvel film, on a par with Spider-Man and X-Men. The film was a box office hit, and got favorable reviews from both fans and mainstream critics like Ebert and Roeper. There was nothing not to like about Daredevil. I think so many people hate Affleck that they let their opinion of him color thier opinion of the movie. Well Affleck has said he isn't interested in doing Daredevil II, so your in luck. The role will probobly be recast. The first one was a really great movie, however.

  • June 7, 2004, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Marvel Movies

    by Knight of Ni

    Wow am I looking forward to this movie, I am a sucker for all comic movies. Spiderman and Xmen are my favs, but DD was awesome as well. I dont see why it is so hated, what have you guys got against Ben Afleck anyways? I thought he got Matt Murdock just right. Anyways, Spidey rules! Ticket? check. I am so there.

  • June 7, 2004, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Actually, really like Daredevil.


    I don't want to get flamed but iIt's number three on my list after X-Men 2, and Spider-man. Think it's a really interesting movie for the genre.

  • June 7, 2004, 6:03 p.m. CST

    I want to make sweet lovin' to Kirsten's perky (.)(.)

    by tequilaworm

    ooooooooooohh yeah!:-)(.)(.) Daredevil and Hulk were cool people. Don't let the hatred for the man fuck up your brain. At least Affleck got rid of that husband collector. He blasted goo all over her (probably doggy style everytime... wouldn't you?), left her and never signed THE Contract if you know what I mean. I think he should reconsider making Daredevil 2 and if not, give it to Brad Pitt. The Hulk was excellent. It made it feel like you were flipping the pages of the comic with the split screen stuff. Granted that it should have had more smashing but, it was just a set up for the next one which should have the pissed off dude tearing shit up. Bana and Nolte ruled! don't deny it. Oh yeah...Spiderman looks almost as good as porn. I can't wait...CHEERS Amigos!

  • June 7, 2004, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Bring it

    by ManosTHOF

    Looking forward to this one. The trailers had me hooked anyways :)

  • June 7, 2004, 7:57 p.m. CST

    EXTRA EXTRA ! ! ! Batman: Dead End Director Sandy Collora speaks

    by tequilaworm

    and is excited about the Batman script but dissapointed because supid fucking WB is doing the whole rubber suit fiasco again. AND COOLEST PART ABOUT THE INTERVIEW IS... THAT HE GIVES YOU A HINT THAT HE MIGHT BE DOING HIS OWN SUPERMAN MOVIE TO " give the fans what they want " JUST LIKE HE DID WITH DEAD END. Oh Shit, I think I just stained myself without touching myself...CHEERS Amigos!

  • June 7, 2004, 9:13 p.m. CST

    2 important things you didn't mention Mori...

    by AttackingClone

    the only 2 things that dissapointed me in the 1st film was the score and the lack of smart-assiness from spidey in fights. You failed to mention either of these things, whether they were there or not.

  • June 7, 2004, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by screenplaywriter

    Sure, "THE CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK" looks like a darker "STAR WARS" and worth seeing just because of Vin Diesel and Judi Dench's talent and David Thowy's directing. Sure, "I ROBOT", Tom Cruise's "COLLATERAL", Clive Owen's "KING ARTHUR", Will Ferrell as Ron Burgandy in "ACHORMAN", Bill Murray sinking his claws in "GARFIELD: THE MOVIE" all look impressive, or have some life into the summer season, but this movie is by far the top on my list. After seeing the lackluster, pathetically made, ridiculously paced and constructed "VAN HELSING", and sitting through two great movies such as: "TROY" and "SHREK 2" and passing on the contrived disaster flick kwown as "THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW" it has made clear no one is safe from this baby of a film. The rest will get their turns, but Spidey will wipe them all away with his charges of web-fluid. I know maybe I am just being a "plant" here, or just hyping and milking this thing for all it's worth, but "SPIDER-MAN 2" has everything. 1. An impressive cast. Some of you still dislike Toby as Spider-Man, but clearly if you look at the older classic comics Peter Parker wasn't your jockish, tough science guy like the cartoons portrayed him, but an average ordinary kid trying to make a difference anyways possible, to fit in, be popular, and gain the girl of his dreams. And Toby brings all of this to the character. You're drawn to him, you feel for him, you want him to win, and be the superhero you wish you could be, but can't do to a thing called-reality. J.K. Simmons IS Jonah Jameson. There's no denying it. The man has the look, the feel, the gruff persona. You got Alfred Molina as Doc Ock. At first the choice seemed weird and kind of a "long-shot", but the trailer proved us ALL wrong. Seeing him looking menacing with those steel tentacles ready to spring and latch onto you and seeing him say that line to Pete about M.J. is just truly pure geekness. Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane. She's the "girl next door" along with her Torrence character from "BRING IT ON" only smarter and grown up, not some dumb bimboish blondshell carrying pom poms. And lastly you got a very pissed off James-Dean-meets-Hayden-Christiansen-look-a-like named James Franco as Harry Osborne wanting to put a knife through the burdens plaguging him and also through Spidey's heart. 2. BETTER STORY. 3. BETTER FIGHT SCENES, CGI-SEQUENCES. 4. Dr. Connors making an appearance, although not in Lizard form, but here's hoping that they'll show him without his arm, or show him playing with lizards, or snakes, or whatever in service of us comic book fanboys and geeks. 5. Lastly, I know Doc Ock isn't in his green, yellowish-orange armored uniform, or his white labcoat, but hell the green trenchcoat suits him just fine and makes him look like he is just a Joe Schmoe trying to fit in depsite the eight tentacles coming out from his spine. And let's not to mention the movie is supposed to end with a cliffhanger note.

  • June 7, 2004, 10:49 p.m. CST


    by Silver_Joo

    What a rubbish review. Telling us what happens because you were excited about it does not constitute a review. Sorry.

  • June 7, 2004, 10:57 p.m. CST

    What the hell is Batman: Dead End?

    by Snobster

  • June 7, 2004, 11:53 p.m. CST


    by Brian_De_Man

  • June 8, 2004, 12:07 a.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    Just what the hell constitutes a review then?

  • for 5 reasons... (1) the Green Goblin's costume. it was just foolish and stupid... why they didn't go the Mutating route i'll never know, or just get a better costume... i mean come on WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? (2) the seriousness of Spiderman... the costume is Parker's escape... he gets it all out in the costume, he pretends he's someone else... that's why he's always being a wise-ass in costume... and in that movie he just wasn't... and it was missed. (3) the bad CGi... the scene where he's beating up the group of badguys where he first takes pictures of himself? (CHEESE!) it just looked horrible... i mean i don't expect Gollum type stuff but Jar Jar looked better then that! (4)the swinging and acrobatic Spidey. i'm sorry but the human body cannot bend the way Spider-man's body bent during most of his acrobatics. last time i checked he didn't get a rubber skeleton from the spider bite. as someone else mentioned it was like Spidey was in Zero G for some of the stuff he did. (5) Kirsten Dunst... yes i'll agree with the above poster that Kirtsen Dunst gave her best performance in Spiderman... but unfortunatly her best is still ass... she simply isn't that pretty (always squinty and weird looking) and i didn't buy her acting. in all the romantic bonding scenes between ehr and Peter, i think Maguire carried her, she seemed better and the scene was beleivable because Maguire made you buy it, he's THAT good an actor... although i did enjoy the rainy ally scene... she has nice boobs. however i look forward to the sequel very much, it's hard to screw up Doc Ock's costume (a trench and arms?) and from this review it seems wise-ass Spidey is back. although i don't like that Harry's relationship with Peter is basically at it's end... Peter and Harry were like brothers right up until Harry took the serum that damned his father. even in the first movie it seemed Harry and Peter weren't even really that close.

  • June 8, 2004, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Hope not dull

    by faerieprincess

    Tobey Maguire was great in the first one, but the action sequences were dull and the CGI baaaddd. I'm not holding my breath on this one. I saw some to the train scene that supposedly had film viewers oohing and aahing. The efx were still not what I had hoped (like Buckbeak in Azkaban). I'm still crying it's not Cameron's baby.

  • June 8, 2004, 1:32 a.m. CST

    That kirsten is a mutt

    by mikep


  • June 8, 2004, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Well, I trust Moriarty. Now I just have to wait some more.

    by el zar

    The non-spidey scenes in the first movie rocked more than the action parts. Hope there's more of a balance in this one.

  • June 8, 2004, 1:52 a.m. CST

    What no Macy Gray?????

    by cougarcougar

    Did she die in SP1

  • June 8, 2004, 2:02 a.m. CST

    I'm going to see Spider-Man 2 regardless!

    by KAWS

    I do appreciate Mori for taking the time to write how he feels about the film, looks like he enjoyed the hell out of it, and that's what counts, thanks for sharing. I love most of Marvel's movies (especially Spidey/X-Men/Blade) and this one looks like the best of the bunch. From what I have read online & from the novel based on the flick and all that I've seen (trailers) of this film thus far, has me counting down every day until JUNE 30th.

  • June 8, 2004, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Sam Shithead EvilDead Crap-o-la

    by JackWhyte

    yea, You nerds heard me right, what a pile of Shit that series is. How in the hell can a crappy movie like evilcrap get a not so good filmmaker to make a big budget film is beyond me... Evildead is shit and you all know it...

  • June 8, 2004, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Dunst's best movie?!?!? HELLL NO!

    by MrCere

    Dunst was barely acting in Spider-Man, she was just a plot device. She was by far better in Sophia Coopla's best directed movie, "The Virgin Suicides." It lacked Bill Murray and "buzz" but is a resoundingly good film.

  • June 8, 2004, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Oh, and the problem with Daredevil

    by MrCere

    If Mori wants to like Daredevil, let him, and don't let it taint all his reviews forever. NO person agrees with ANY reviewer 100% of the time and if you do, get your own brain........Now, Daredevil did some things right and wasn't all THAT bad, but it was flawed. The tragicness of the film is that it almost was really good. Mark S. Johnson was so worried about packing "Ode to Daredevil" into the movie instead of servicing the story, that he was unable to clearly see the story structure and problems and thus had too many ingredients in the blender. Affleck wasn't brilliant either but - GOOD FREAKING HELL!!!!!! - IT'S A MIRACLE THERE EVER WAS ANY DAREDEVIL MOVIE AT ALL. Seriously, he is a small-time comic book hero without the universal name recognition that Hulk, Spidy, Batman, X-Men, Supes and even Catwoman have. It IS a miracle a studio spent $100 million on Hornhead at all and then it made the money back, despite Ben A., hating whiplash.

  • June 8, 2004, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Dream sequence with Uncle Ben?

    by Logo Lou

    That does sound stupid.

  • June 8, 2004, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Batman: Dead End

    by JackBristow

    It's basically Batman vs. the Predator, with cameos by the Joker, Aliens and more Predators. The tone of the 5-10 minute film is perfect, although I understand some people thought the Aliens and Predators cheapened it.

  • June 8, 2004, 3:44 a.m. CST


    by FelatioHornblowr

    Just can't seem to get excited about this movie. Peter Parker seems really mopey and whiney. I don't feel like sitting on my ass for two hours watching a story about a super-powered crybaby. Also it seems like they've really opened the tap this time and let the sap run freely. The first one was way too gushy, and this one looks worse. The action looks mostly like CGI stuff, not many real people or real stunts or real fight choreography. (Although I always laugh at the trailer when Doc Ock throws Parker against a wall hard enough to break bones right after he asks him to find Spider-Man. What a dipshit!) So I'll pass for now, although I might rent it in a few months.

  • June 8, 2004, 4:20 a.m. CST

    THE First Spiderman was so bad it made my head hurt.

    by omegaman20


  • June 8, 2004, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Blah! I think they should cast another actor for Peter Parker ro

    by Judge Doom

    "Who am I? Sure you wanna know, brother?"

  • June 8, 2004, 4:45 a.m. CST


    by Grabthars_Hammer

  • June 8, 2004, 5:04 a.m. CST


    by DarthBakpao

    agree with u .... the scene with that uncle ben's murderer saying "thanks" in stupid expression stuck in my mind forever .... it was sooo bad!

  • June 8, 2004, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Is there a rain scene?

    by Bcphil

  • June 8, 2004, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Batman: Dead End...

    by satansteve

    is a fucking kickass motherfucker where bats chases down the joker, and just as hes about to put the hurt on Joker, an Alien (yea, THAT alien) comes down, grabs the joker, and the next five minutes is Batman kicking Alien and Predator ASS! Its fucking awesome, and I cant wait for Sandy Colloras Superman, itll be better than pile of shit that McG will pinch off. And Evil Dead's charm, lies in the low budgetness, ass.

  • June 8, 2004, 7:49 a.m. CST


    by Shad0wfax

    Interesting read. I've been anticipating Spiderman 2 for some time. The first one was a very good superhero movie, despite the CG flaws and sappiness I realised that I am watching a movie based on comics and superheroes and as such I shouldn't be viewing it the same way as I would any other movie. They deserve to be reviewed within their genre and as such, Spiderman was better than X Men 1 and 2 (all they did was introduce character after character in both and give very little story in either), DareDevil (which I actually liked despite Ben Assfleck), Hulk (I also enjoyed this in the buildup and initial kickoff of the story but Hulk Hounds and Nick Nolte in general really spoiled the rest of it). Going back to the old Supermans, they were as cheesy as could be also - so why not allow a certain cheese factor in these? I thought it was probably the best comic book adaptation I've seen although I still hold a passion for the original Batman (<3 Burton and <3 Nicholson's Joker) but I'm beginning to feel like AICN is becoming more energy wasting than ever before. No one respects anyone's opinions anymore, instead just shitting from them up on high and offering very little opportunity for discussion. People here seem to need to learn that when you resort to insults you lost the argument long ago... Spiderman had a very nice buildup, lots of little moments sprinkled throughout that made you laugh and like the character of Peter more, there was a real development of relationships and also loss and sacrifice of those, which were also quite real. "REAL" obviously doesn't matter much here, but it does when it comes to the people and their relationships - it sure as hell doesn't matter when Spidey is in a fight with a high-powered military freak on a jetpack surfboard! Give me realism when it's suitable and give me fantastical when it's imagination! *sigh* Anyway, long post. Looking forward to 2.

  • June 8, 2004, 8:01 a.m. CST

    why write a review that has spoilers?

    by mansep

    cant you talk about the acting, design , directing etc without giving spoilers?!? that way we can all read it!

  • June 8, 2004, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Spidey 1 was good in theater, lame on DVD

    by Homer Sexual

    After watching the first Spiderman movie, the only real issue I had was that the climax was soooo typical, villain beats the crap out of hero, then just when hero is about to go down, he miraculously summons up reserves of strength and kicks villain's behind. So average! But I remembered enjoying the movie and bought the DVD, and then what? So boring! Definitely the excitement of seeing the big "event" movie influenced me. Spidey #2 looks good and sounds good here, so I'm psyched. But not TOO psyched because anyone who didn't think Daredevil was just putrid isn't on the same page as me.

  • I hope Avi finally gives you that writing gig you've been after. The stream of Marvel BS is amazingly apparent.

  • June 8, 2004, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Spidey 3 needs to break the cycle.

    by Darksider

    Not make everything so personal. Give MJ the movie off. Let Pete have some fun as Spidey. Make the villain(s) not have a personal connection. SOME JOKES. Anyway, it looks better than the first. I'm there.

  • June 8, 2004, 11:07 a.m. CST

    I doubt the TWINS are going to be in this one.

    by Darksider

    The day I saw Kirsten at the observatory she was looking pretty thin and was blonde. Miss the dark red hair and the boobies. Oh well...

  • June 8, 2004, 11:21 a.m. CST

    The only two superhero/comic book films worth a dime since "Batm

    by SalvatoreGravano

    The rest was utter shit, almost as bad as any of the "films" based on computer games. Including all fan-made pukefests, such as the moronic "Dead Bum" or whatever that idiocy with a wooden Batman and a bunch of Predators was called. Since this flick is being made by the same team that vomited out the empty celluloid shell that the first "Spiderman" was, it will probably be about as bad.

  • Great review, Mori, and holy crap on a crap cracker, are there a bunch of whiny self-important bitches in this talkback. Face it, kids...SPIDER-MAN was a decent flick and SPIDER-MAN 2 is going to be better. Bring on June 30th!

  • June 8, 2004, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Yes, but do we get anymore shots of Kirsten Dunst's nips in the

    by Red Raider

    enquiring minds want to know! ______The best scene in the last film, imho....

  • June 8, 2004, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by HuffyHenry

  • June 8, 2004, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Kirsten Dunst

    by HuffyHenry

    Ewww... Is there a less attractive young actress out there? I don't think so. She ruined the first movie for me completely with her snaggle tooth and piss-poor acting. Seriously, what's wrong with America that she's still working? She was ok in the Cat's Meow, but I'm sure that was just because she was surrounded by real talent.

  • June 8, 2004, 12:56 p.m. CST

    at long last, somebody mentions the best superhero movie ever to

    by greyspecter

    Batman Returns! overlook the liberal gehck with Walken the eeevil industrialist being the only truely villainous, uh, villain, and look at the great performance of Pfeifer and DeVito. Keaton nailed the slightly unbalanced, controlled mania that drive the Bat, and it wasn't as cheezy as the first. everybody except for that gravano guy seems to forget that they made superhero movies before Xmen. all time rank: Batman Returns, Superman 2, X2, Xmen, Superman, Batman, and Spiderman. oh, and you LotR haters can bite me. yeah, you heard me

  • June 8, 2004, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Huh, I liked Spiderman

    by GypsyTRobot

    but I grew up watching the crappy old cartoon, so crappy CGI Spidey doesn't bother me. "Man-spider, man-spider. Does whatever a human can" we would sing endlessly in my misbegotten youth. Anyway the first movie was a fun popcorn flick, nothing to get obsessed over, Willem Defoe being the most memorable part. Thanks for the review Mori, I'm looking forward to seeing Molina as Doc Ock in Spiderman 2. I'll be looking for the Evil Dead touches.

  • June 8, 2004, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Sweet! Its 2:35 to 1 aspect ratio!

    by Harry Tasker

    This was one of the problems i had with the first film. I felt that the action scenes felt flat by not being shot in scope. Im hopeing that the action scenes rock in this and are as good as the classic action scene in Darkman with with the helicopter chase.

  • June 8, 2004, 1:50 p.m. CST

    by #42

  • June 8, 2004, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Rubber suit again? Say it ain't so worm!

    by super Cucaracha

    BATMAN DEAD END WAS COOL. It had the right mood and the guy who played The Joker was great. It did feel kind of funny when The Predator and Alien showed up but the movie had this great creepy feeling. Batman looked psychotic and pissed off as hell and I think he even spits on The joker if I'm not mistaken. I was like "OH SHIT, THAT WAS TITS". Warner Bros. should learn fron this little movie but, than again they are WB after all. Oh yeah...Spiderman 2 will rule!

  • June 8, 2004, 4:40 p.m. CST

    A review should be...

    by Avidking

    What exactly does giving plot points away, note for note, have anything to do with a film review?

  • June 8, 2004, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Didn't read the review

    by soylentphil

    Because it's full of spoilers and the movie's almost a month off. Why fill such an advance review with spoilers? to prove you saw it? I would have believed you. I don't get it is all I'm sayin'.

  • June 8, 2004, 5:02 p.m. CST


    by bushsux

    No more comic book movies, trilogies, sequels of trilogies, prequels of trilogies, war movies denouncing war while glorifying its violence and movies about warriors in Ancient Rome and Greece. Enough is enough. It seems since 1998 nobody in Hollywood has had an original idea. Why 1998? That year two movies came out that were successful and producers have been trying to replicate their success for 6 years. You know which two movies. Saving Private Ryan and Blade. Luckily, the war movie craze that was spawned by Ryan has died out with flops like Tears of The Sun, Enemy at the Gates and Hart's War. The comic book craze, however, has been unfortunately more succesful. For some reason people like crap like Daredevil and X-Men. Those movies were bad, Hulk, Bulletproof Monk and Punisher were even more pathetic. These movies blow, like Taylor Hayes after a coke binge. I'm even sick of Spider-Man, which was one of the better superhero movies. That's why Kill Bill was such a great movie. It didn't involve any superheroes, wasn't set in the backdrop of a war and didn't take place in the Ancient Medittereanan. It was the most original action movie of the past six years, which is ironic considering that it's a homage to kung-fu flicks. Don't see this movie people, buy the freaking comics, I recommend the Todd McFarlane back-issues.

  • June 8, 2004, 5:05 p.m. CST

    What the hell

    by claudox67

    I would be really interested in getting to know why the hell all of you "critics" dont go and write your own review instead of blaming someone for his personal taste in movies. Seems like all of guys are little Coppolas, why dontcha go make your own friggin blockbusters. i loved the first spider man, and thats cause i didnt expect "the best movie" or a "cgi revolution" i just enjoyed seeing spidey on the big screen and he looked pretty good to me! anybody ever complained over how "realistic" a comic book looked? i enjoyed the movie, went to have a drink and made friends with some girls, description of a nice evening. oops i forgot since your country is so immature youre not even allowed to go to have a drink under the age 21. poor kids i understand your aggresion outta here

  • June 8, 2004, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Thanks a bunch Mori!

    by Durendal

    I wanted to see this film before. Now I have a raging boner for it! This movie had better deliver like you say it does!

  • June 8, 2004, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Ah, the internet

    by Rizzle Bizzle

    "The information superhiway let the world know what some nerd thinks about star trek." - homer simpson "People use the internet to slam actors and movie exectuives that they all claim to hate but can't seem to stop talking about." - holden mcneal seriously. okay, granted, everyone's entitled to their opinion, BUT COME ON!! Mory does a review of spiderman 2 and everyone, with a few exceptions, seems to be pissed that they're even making the movie or already have some complaint about it. wait and see it, then bitch and whine. i may be a pop culture whore, but at least i'm man enough to admit and not hide behind the facade of being so finely attuned to the innner workings of entertainment that i see fit to condenm(sp?) project before it's been given a chance to fail or succeed. get off the computer, go find a freind or 2, meet a girl...eventually, and enjoy the fact that these hollywood people are giving you something to care so much about. on second thought, get a pet. they'll love you no matter what the evil movie makers rain down upon you. "Screw you guys, i'm going home"-cartman p.s. i'm also man enough to say i liked mean girls...that's right, i said mean girls! lohan is too hot. p.p.s. - i'm 22, so i won't go to jail for saying that, just to evade any petaphilea jokes.

  • June 8, 2004, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Ahhhh... Yet another blockbuster that won't even get close to Ti


    $601 Million will not be touched for the next decade or so.

  • June 8, 2004, 8:23 p.m. CST


    by DukeDeMondo

    Sorry to be off-topic and all, but just thought i'd let you know of the interview i conducted with Sir Knowles, which can be found at Thanks guys Duke De Mondo

  • June 8, 2004, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Damn! He saw it early...too cool for me...zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    by Bong


  • June 8, 2004, 9:56 p.m. CST

    29...yea he's a young actor

    by Bong


  • June 8, 2004, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Well..this guy liked Daredevil

    by Bong


  • June 8, 2004, 11:38 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Props on the "naysayers" post. Laughing my ass off, man, although I've never particularly liked that term either. Oh and MARVEL DON'T YOU DAAAAAAAAAARE LET MARK STEVEN JOHNSON DIRECT 'GHOST RIDER' MARVEL, SONY, ARAD, WHOEVER!! DON'T YOU DARE! DON'T DO IT, YOU BASTARDS!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

  • June 8, 2004, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Also, thanks Moriarty

    by Ribbons

    It shouldn't really need to be said that you and the rest of the AICN staff are providing a great service to us as film fans, but you wouldn't be able to tell by some accounts here. Thanks, man. Although I too found 'DareDevil' to be shamelessly asstacular.

  • June 9, 2004, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Very poor CGI

    by bodyslideby2

    The first Spiderman film had truly poor cgi..somewhat ass backwards when spiderman is supposed to be swinging through New York City...although some around here hail it as one of the best films of 2002...guess it just goes to show some people around here have really low standards...big surprise.

  • June 9, 2004, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Are you kidding?

    by RoadRage!

    If the first spidey is "truly bad cgi" what is really good cgi? Van Helsing? How about those very realistic wolved in Day After Tomorrow? No No No... Smallville has big time FX, when will we see that on the big screen? Spidey 1's FX were good. Some were very good. They weren't the best ever but they carried the plot and brought Spidey to life on the big screen. Get over yourself.

  • June 9, 2004, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Roadrage, I have no interest in your opinion

    by bodyslideby2

    Hey Roadrage, Who asked you for your opinion on F/X for Van Helsing, Day after Tomorrow, and even f#$#ing Smallville!!! The CGI in Spiderman was poor at amount of crying on your part is going to change that...although who knows..maybe we will get an improvement with Spiderman 2...just raise your standards a little bit buddy...come on, I know you can do it!!!

  • June 9, 2004, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Great to finally see some love for HULK

    by WarrenPerso

    ... an underappreciated, multi-layered and thoughtful movie that will hopefully prove to be ahead of it's time. Fuck talkbackers.

  • June 9, 2004, 7:48 a.m. CST

    RoadRage and spidey CGI

    by afa

    man you've never seen good CGI in your life before or what? go see spider-man again. specifically go see the scene where soon after Peter discovers his powers, he's jumping from rooftop to rooftop. far from being good or even adequate, that was undoubtedly the WORST bit of CGI i have seen in a big budget movie of recent years. sure, the wolves in Day after Tomorrow looked obviously fake, but not as ridiculous as the rooftop scene. i haven't seen any of the newer trailers for spider-man 2, but the one which i did see a few months back, you know with spidey swinging between buildings again, was again terrible CGI. maybe the movie will be as good as Moriarty said, and maybe Sam Raimi did a good job, but his CGI effects leave a lot to be desired.

  • June 9, 2004, 8:56 a.m. CST

    What the hell is wrong with you people? Most of you are morons!

    by Rapmaster C

    If this is one of the first reviews anywhere, you'd all compalin if he DIDN'T go into spoilers. Plus, it is a review, as he talks about the direction, character progression, plot twists and just about everything else that can be said. What more do you want? He liked the film, which in the twisted universe of Talkbacks, means that you must disagree with him. He likes the first film - you hate it. He likes Daredevil - you hate it. I can't believe the number of pathetic, rain-on-his-parade losers that come to this site. You should all be banished to hell, or at least realise that deliberately disagreeing with everyone else and going against the "flow" doesn't make you cool. It makes you look like a petty fool. Good day, and I can't wait for Spiderman 2.

  • June 9, 2004, 9:21 a.m. CST

    my major complaint with the first spiderman

    by Mentok

    Being a lifelong spiderman fan, I suppose it was inevitable that I would find things to complain about the first movie (stupid goblin suit, obvious cg, Macy f$#$ing Gray [I mean, COME ON!!]) but the worst thing about the first one was that Toby Maguire was fine as Peter Parker, but awful as Spiderman. Spiderman is a wiseacre, the bugs bunny of superheroes. Maguire sounded like he was physically in pain when he was trying to make smartass remarks. This time round, I guess I am more prepared for that, and I can let it slide. Also Doc Oc looks way better than the green goblin, but if I so much as see one f#@$ing flavour of the month pop group in this thing!!! Then Sam Raimi is dead to me.

  • June 9, 2004, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by Gilkuliehe

    I just saw the trailer for this film and I do want to see it, although I must say that I am not really fond of the first film. I loved the whole getting-to-be-Spidey part of it, but I really hated the Green Goblin part. Despite being someone who usually bangs CGI nay-sayers I really really hated every single time Peter Parker became a cartoon (Human CGI characters still look awful and unnecessary) and I didn't buy the Peter MJ affaire... she seemed like a childish bitch I had no simpathy for. In this that shit looks even worse. She is seeing the Goblin's son, she then says she loves Peter and then marries a complete different guy? When Octopuss grab that bitch I'll be cheering HIM, although I wouldn't mind seeing that glorious pair of hers under the rain again. I should be doing something else now, so I'll go away. Gilkuliehe has spoken.

  • June 9, 2004, 8:28 p.m. CST

    to cloudrider...

    by MrSnart

    Hey, cloudrider, this is odd. I totally agree with everything you've posted regarding how unreal emotional reactions by characters can pull you out of a movie yet I am shocked that you think Spider-Man commits this cinematic crime. It's one of the most emotionally honest superhero movies ever made. I think what is tripping you up (in my humble opinion, of course) is your belief that shock is the only "realistic" reaction to extraordinary events. I think you're making the same error most moviegoers make when they condemn the babysitter in Generic Monster Movie Part IV for going in the dark basement where the monster lurks. To clarify: you're operating with the knowledge that monsters exist in the movie universe and you recognize that monster attacks are possible. The character on screen does not know this. The character thinks she's in a universe that operates according to our "real world" rules and there is NO WAY a bloodthirsty grue could be waiting for her down in the dark. (Notice I did not give a pass to babysitters who go in the basement when they know a human serial killer is on the loose. I'm talkin' monsters here.) Likewise, the characters in Spider-Man think they're living in the "real world" and that possessing superhuman powers is impossible. When something very, very unlikely occurs like Peter Parker catching lots of falling dinnerware on a tray, people who see the event apply the template of their collected experiences to the stimulus and think "WOW! That is amazing balance," not "LOOK! SUPERPOWERS!" Or, if you're a cool customer like Mary Jane, you do your double-take internally, throw a smoky look to the attractive guy who suddenly has his arm around you, and say "Nice catch." (Dude, if a girl did that with me, I'd be putty in her hands. See, Mary Jane is good at flirting, isn't she?) When people see nerdy Peter Parker kick a bully's butt at school, they gasp and think "WOW! That little geek sure knows his kung fu. He's like that Bruce Lee guy!" They do not immediately jump to the conclusion that supernatural - superscientific - superdooperness is at work. Before we move on, I'd like to point out that when people see Peter do something truly impossible and not just extremely improbable like, for example, performing superhuman leaps and fighting supervillians, they point, scream, and otherwise freak the fuck out. Now that we've covered the reactions of outside observers, let's move on to Peter's own reaction to developing superpowers

  • June 10, 2004, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Re: Mr. Snart

    by Ribbons

    In the spirit of mutual respect, I found your post to be quite thoughtful and well-explained and also, for an argument, very even-handed. I wish that I could write with as much restraint and articulation on something I feel passionately about. ***** A couple of things: 1)I'm with you in thinking that Catwoman's gonna be an sexploitative piece of junk. I think that some dude on the TV put it best when they said "I have a hunch that this movie is going to be a test of how badly guys want to see Halle Berry running around half-naked." *** 2)While I also found Spider-Man to be very emotionally truthful as far as genre movies go, it always did piss me off that Peter wasn't at all bothered with the fact that he had mutated overnight. Sure, he was all muscly and had ninja moves, but he also started shooting webs from holes in his wrist and sprouting spider-like hairs that allowed him to scale walls. Maybe the filmmakers were just trying to go with metaphors for the ickier aspects of puberty and treated his reaction thusly, but being truthful, if I got bit by a spider and started taking on the qualities of one, I'd be a bit concerned, at least at first. Maybe I wouldn't tell anyone, but I wouldn't be elated, either. Just where I'm coming from. ** 3) I think we as fans can learn something from anyone who's had to suffer through bad, cheap, and disrespectful comic adaptations about just how frustrating the lack of reverence towards the ideas we cherish (although I also believe you do have to skirt a line there) must be. At the same, time, it's not likely that comic movies will ever go away. They're a viable form of commercial entertainment. Ones that take risks and that are done right may disappear, but they'll always be mined for property. War movies, too, are viable, although they're not the same thing, since comic book heroes make good summer movie stars. Also, keep in mind that the production of war movies came about not by three or so mediocre turnouts, but rather 9-11, and that it would be in poor taste to make a movie that glorifies war when people are dying overseas right now (and considering that the majority of Hollywood is against the occupation of Iraq, it would be doubly hypocritical). So now that technology has become so advanced and original ideas have sort of fallen by the wayside, they'll be filling out tentpole release dates for years to come, I'd wager (though not that much, since I know nothing about this business).

  • June 10, 2004, 1:51 a.m. CST


    by chien_sale

    Believe me, as a Spider-Man fan, I can! Maguire is not Spidey at all, he`s just an average dude with problems. Peter Parker is way more upbeat than that, that`s what makes him different from other super-heroes, his optimism. The joy of beating the crap out of his lame gallery of rogues. Maguire is whiny and much too tortured. I was watching an interview with that kid from "Hole" last night he had the Parker attitude to the "T". An underdog that has a never-die New Yorker demeanor. Another great Peter Parker would be that kid "Seth" from the O.C.

  • June 10, 2004, 6:32 p.m. CST

    my world is crumbling...

    by MrSnart

    Wow. Once in awhile someone says/writes something in just the right way and it hits you right in the chin and send your whole world spinning. Today is such a day for me. Prior to twenty minutes ago, I had no plans whatsoever to see Catwoman in the theater or even on DVD. I had been thinking of the project as

  • June 10, 2004, 7:40 p.m. CST

    go spiderman 2 go!!

    by iluvpie

    The trailer for this thing is as orgasmically pleasing as it gets, I have tears in my eyes everytime i see it. Kirsten dunst's saggy titted, ugly as hell face threated to squash my glee, but oh the wonder of that red and blue suit! June 30th where are you?

  • June 10, 2004, 8:08 p.m. CST


    by screenplaywriter

    My God seeing Doc Ock flinging the guards around the bank, putting his fedora hat back on his head, and collecting the bags of money is just pure comic-book-geekism-joyousness. And seeing them duking it out on the train is just a dream come true. I mean it's one thing to see Spider-Man do it on a cartoon show, but now with real live actors, the brilliance of CGI, and talent I am totally going to the midnight screening of this and coming out happy and wanting to see it again 3 times more.

  • June 11, 2004, 1:55 a.m. CST

    cant stand whiny people

    by slkboxrman

    up and down this topic i see people that complain about the CG in the first spider-man and how kirsten dunst cant act. the first movie was great, the CG was great and kirsten dunst was great. much better than her "bring it on" character. saying she was a "plot device" is like saying they needed a love interest for peter parker/spider man with perky tits and they found her..mary-jane is a major character, not a "plot device" and dunst plays her to perfection. the green goblin costume rocked, you can tell how young some of u losers are with all the power ranger comparisons. proves that many of u still watch to this day. it seems to be an epidemic with the viewing public, that even if a movie has few or no faults that there are always the few nitpickers left with nothing to complain about, that come up with some nonsense to complain about. and those people draw out all the other numb-brained slackers that never had an original thought till they saw the first post.then everyone starts scatchin their heads...sayin..."duh, oh yea hes right" the old adage is true here...if u dont have anything nice to say or bad to say, then keep ur mouth shut. as for spidey 2....cant wait, even after the review...which aludes to alot but doesnt spoil that much, most of what the review supposedly spoiled u can pick from the last trailer, and subsequent tv ads. also hope that spidey 3 brings venom into the mix, they can save green goblin 2 till spidey 4.....nothing personal guys but its just a movie, enjoy it, savor it, dont pick it apart outta boredome....thanks

  • June 11, 2004, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Is Play D'oh Inept? Yes!

    by bushsux

    I forgot that the only movies that are discussed on this site are comic book movies Play D'oh. Clever name by the way, did your landlord, mom make that up?

  • June 11, 2004, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Wasn't it only a year ago when Moriarty was ripping a website fo

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  • June 11, 2004, 8:38 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Take a couple of things into consideration: 1)This movie is on lock. He either had a spy get him a print of the film or was asked to spread the word early. In either case, his future relationship with spy or studio hinged on validating their work by putting the review up before anyone else. 2)Maybe you're thinking of something else, but the only incident I can think of from a year ago between Mori and 'Hulk' media was that falderal over the copy of the movie that had been released online.

  • June 12, 2004, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Secret Identity

    by Shaadows

    Spidy2 sounds like a great movie .. I'll be lining up to see it ... but one issue kinda bugs Me ...and I've found it in the Ultimate Spiderman comic series too ... I thought a secret identity was suppose to be just that ... secret ... in the Ultimate comic series, there almost seems to be fewer people who don't know who Parker's alter ego is then do, ..and now, from what I read in Moriarty's review .... this is even becoming a fact in this take on the Spiderman legend. I suppose it will depend on how it's handled .. and who actually finds out ... but that was one of the big issues with super hero's .. nobody, or a very limited few, ever knew who their 'everyday' persona was ... and that was one of the things that made the Green Goblin one of Spiderman's best and most deadly foes, not only was he criminally insane ... but when He was well enough to function, He knew Peter's secret .. which meant Peter, and those He cared about, were in constant danger when Norman was in his more 'lucid' moments. Maybe it's just a reflection of our times ... and these days it's harder for a superhero to keep an identity hidden .. it won't stop Me from seeing the movie ... it's just a lil peeve I've had for a while now .. first with the Ultimate comics ..and now with the movie .. there's a number of other issues I've had over the years with the direction that the comics series have gone at times ..but that's a discussion for another time and Form .. being a Spiderman fan for over 35 years now, I am looking forward to seeing this next installment ... It is indeed a great time to be a Geek, and watch society 'discover' what so many of us have enjoyed for years ...

  • June 16, 2004, 11:46 p.m. CST

    any movie that steals a scene from Snow Crash

    by devil0509

    I don't know whether to be geeked up to see a scene involving the stress of a pizza deliver guarantee, or to be pissed that someone actually ripped off of Snow Crash. Because ultimately nothing, and I mean nothing, can compare with the hilarity of Hiro Protagonist battling Jeeks, bimbo boxes, a 15 year old courier, and the uncertain layout of a burbclave to try to get the za there on time and avoid getting whacked by Uncle Enzo.

  • June 21, 2004, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Mori's Early Review of Spidey 2

    by W0NDERB0Y

    After reading this thread... for those of you thinking Mori has a spy or insider studio contact, relax. Why is he the only one who's posted an early review of Spidey 2? Because he's Moriarty and he's been posting on AICN forever. I too saw an early screening in L.A. last Weekend. It was a "secret screening" held by a marketing company, ie: they didn't tell us what movie we were going to see until we sat down inside and it started. It was, to my knowledge, the first press screening held anywhere for the finished print. So while Mori may be quite knowledgable in his movie lore and quite a well-written reviewer, don't doubt he's seen the film and don't accuse a good review on studio favors. I saw it. It rocked. 'nuff said. W0NDERB0Y

  • July 23, 2004, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Spider-Man 2...orgasmically awesome villan.

    by Tendo Queen

    Yes, I'm serious here. Well, not to that point, but to some extent... This is one of the best movies I've ever seen, hands down. The fights, the emotions, the character development (yeah, I'm a sucker for it)...but there was one little thing that really got to me. One little character. Doc...frickin'...Ock. Hold on, one second -- let me get this out: OMGOMGOMGGGG DOC OCK IS THE GREATEST VILLAN OF ALL TIME YEAH BABY W00T OMG I'M GONNA MARRY HIM W00TAGE RAPE ME OCK -- okay, there, got it out. But yeah, he's the single greatest villan (heck, movie character) I've ever seen, right up there with Hannibal Lecter, and that's saying a lot. Alfred Molina was perfect for this part; no one -- NO ONE -- could have done it better. It was great, the way he charmed you at the beginning of it all...then you see his slow decent deeper into his obsession...woo, chills. And the tentacles themselves are fantastic and actually believable, like you're just expecting to turn on CNN and see a report on the bank robbery or something. It's strange, the comics, Ock is...well, ugly. Like a short, fat nerd with a bad hairdo. the, heh...just a bit different. Yeah. For starters, his hair is way, WAY nicer, lol. And his eyes, creepy and totally piercing...and not to mention that one second...right before he grabs MJ...that sick little grin on his face...yow. Dang, I think I died in my seat. *AHEM* Okay, enough with the fangirl-ish rambling, this isn't the place; but seriously, you know it as well as I do -- Ock stole the friggin' show. Even though he could have done it, he wasn't all that made this movie great. I mentioned most of it above, but if you haven't seen this movie, SEE IT. I command you to. I could feel every emotion in this movie, I was about to fall off the edge of my seat during the battles (train: INSTANT CLASSIC), and I'll admit, I cried at the end -- but, of course, not for Peter and MJ. Bottom line? This movie is great, the SFX is great, the drama's great, the villan's great...I'd better be seeing it under my tree Christmas morning.

  • May 7, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST


    by BenBraddock

    Is anyone still here?