X3 and X4 shooting back to back' Looks like it!!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with some exciting news for us X-MEN fans (yes, this is AICN... I know it's looked a lot like SUPERHERO HYPE these last few days, but I can assure you you're in the right place!!!) This idea of doing X3 and X4 back to back has been kinda rumbling around for a while and now we have the below email. I've contacted some of my Top Level sources at Fox and while they won't go on record, they confirmed to me that this is definitely the direction Bryan Singer is headed in. Exciting times! While Alffred below thinks this may be a way of making sure Hugh Jackman stays around for a few more films, I tend to believe they're attacking the Phoenix Saga, as alluded to at the end of X2, and wanting to do all the Phoenix stuff at once. Could this be Phoenix for X3 and Dark Phoenix for X4? Or Dark Phoenix for X3 and the rebirth of Jean Grey in X4? So many possibilities!!!
Long time... Well you know the rest.
Talked to an old friend back in Vancouver BC who I went to high school with and haven't spoken to in a few years. He called on a completely unrelated matter and we just started yaking and catching up.
He owns a metal supply shop and has supplied metal and crews to a few movie and TV productions in the Vancouver area including X-Men 2.
He indicated to me that he's already signed the contract to do the same for X-Men 3 and then mentioned the contract would carry over to X-Men 4 which would film back to back with #3.
I have no idea if this is true but with Hugh Jackman indicating he doesn't want to do Wolverine forever I could sort of see them wanting to do this.
Anyways, just thought you'd might find this interesting.
If you use it just call me Alffred.
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May 17, 2004, 4:33 a.m. CST
THere's some spooky developments today at AICN.
May 17, 2004, 4:48 a.m. CST
May 17, 2004, 4:49 a.m. CST
by el zar
Back to back shootin'. 3 must be some sort of cliffhanger then.
May 17, 2004, 4:50 a.m. CST
film for 6 months straight instead of double the pre-production and rehearsals and you save a ton of dough. of course, if you make the second film a cliffhanger, expect the earnings to fall considerably as a result. (see Back to the Future 2, Matrix: Reloaded.)
May 17, 2004, 4:56 a.m. CST
Disney just milks and milks...and meanwhile Orlando Bloom's luck rolls onward and upward, while his talent remains on a foot-high plateau. Does the world need two "Pirate" sequels? No. But thirteen-year-old girls do.
May 17, 2004, 5:04 a.m. CST
May 17, 2004, 5:06 a.m. CST
I know it is a gamble, but if studios develope storylines for their films parts 2 thru 4 and shoot those properties back to back, especially after the first film was a major hit, then they would probably be able to make them for less money and have the actors contracted to appear in all of the films to continue the continuity of the saga. It's just me but did'nt Lord of the Rings inspire anyone besides the Walchowski brothers to go in this direction. If Singer follows this route then maybe Raimi and whom ever makes the Superman movie will also.
May 17, 2004, 5:12 a.m. CST
Trying to tell the whole Phoenix story in one film is a bad idea. Have Jean come back as Phoenix in 3 and show both her expanded power and hint at her lack of control, but save her transformation into Dark Phoenix for 4. Doing that allows Singer to focus on something like the Sentinels for the third film.
May 17, 2004, 5:31 a.m. CST
May 17, 2004, 5:34 a.m. CST
May 17, 2004, 5:36 a.m. CST
May 17, 2004, 5:50 a.m. CST
He wants to be Van Hellstink again. He found a new calling!
May 17, 2004, 6:33 a.m. CST
Which movie their gonna reveal that Nightcrawler is the Devil's son? Come on folks! That's awesome! He's blue and half Devil! Who wouldn't love to see the X Men take on the Devil? They can use the CGI hell from Spawn! With Frank Welker doing the Devil's voice. So many possibilities.
May 17, 2004, 6:35 a.m. CST
Yep: LOTR. Oh, and BTTF 2&3. Serious. X-men 3 should be cool, and ff they're making 4 at the same time so much the better (even if I would like to see some Sentinel action... ah well). As long as Singer is on board, these films should maintain the high level of quality of the first two instalments. When Singer (and maybe Jackman) leave, I'm not sure the franchise will have so much mileage in it any more.
May 17, 2004, 6:56 a.m. CST
by Amy's Flat Rat
I would love to see the HFC in X3, you could have Emma Frost messing with Jeans mind which causes her to become dark phoenix, then bring the Sentinels in for X4. Oliver Martinez as Gambit, has the accent and looks the part.
May 17, 2004, 7:26 a.m. CST
by Dead Megatron
...that says Brian Singer won't shake hands with anyone, "for fear of being contaminated by bacteria". Maybe HE's a mutant himself! Or maybe an alien, that guy looks kinda like an alien in disguise from MEN I BLACK, if you think about it. Anyways, here's what I think should happen: X3 for the ressurection of Phoenix. The bad guy could be any-actor-of-the-hour-forgetable-minor-work-before-scoring-an-oscar-for-a-support-role character, doesn't realy matter. Sentinels, maybe, but only in a very primitive, prototype stage of the project. X4 for the Hell Fire Club (with a fight between cyborg Pierce and berzeker Logan) and the Dark Phoenix, with a little hint of the Shiar Empire, maybe with Professor X having dreams about them and Lilandra, who alerts him of "impending doom", but without actually metting them. For X5 and 6,in whichever order, Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister, and Sentinels full throttle plus some version of Days of Future Past, maybe Kitty Pryde mind-controlling younger self (a classic)and, here's a novel idea, badass robot from the future (remember Nimrod?). For X7, X-Babies... and, by the way, The berzeker Logan scene from X2 should have been a lot more bloodier. IN fact, does anybody remember seen a drop of blood anywhere, even the claws? Damn those woossy studios...
May 17, 2004, 8:07 a.m. CST
if they do the dark pheonix saga, and use it to "swap" wolverine for gambit as the rough n ready character and kitty for storm as the sexpot, then we have a geniune sci-fi franchise on our hands....hopefully
May 17, 2004, 9:35 a.m. CST
Face it. The second film was pretty average. They're not in the proper costumes, you can't see them properly in the action sequences and Halle Berry has caught the Cuba Gooding Jr bug. X-Men was fluke at the box office. So many fans, blinded by the X and not seeing it for what it is. An okay movie with a good ensemble cast doing the best they can with average material. If you haven't read the comics you wouldn't know what the hell is going on. Like Stan lee always says. There is a new reader every minute, keep them clued in. Also, Hugh Jackman was well known BEFORE X-Men, and it would be a good thing to give the Wolverine character a new face, new acting chops etc. Variety keeps it fresh and not dull and drab which is what happened in the last one.
May 17, 2004, 2:45 p.m. CST
Another example that predates SUPERMAN 1&2 is Richard Lester's THE 3 MUSKETEERS & THE 4 MUSKETEERS from the 70's (with Oliver Reed). I think I read that the actors didn't know until afterwards that they were making 2 movies at the same time, so they sued for extra pay.
May 17, 2004, 3:06 p.m. CST
May 17, 2004, 4:49 p.m. CST
and keep the same actors. Everyone should be back except for Halle Berry, but really, it's better that way.
May 17, 2004, 7:47 p.m. CST
I think that making 3 and 4 back-to-back is a good idea. Singer will probably leave as director, so this way we get two movies from him, and probably get to do the Phoenix Saga properly. Not a big fan of Gambit. I like the original "new" X-Men established in the golden age of Claremont: Cyclops, Jean Grey, Wolverine, etcetera. Bring back Colossus and maybe bring in Kitty Pryde at some point. Beast would be cool too. Really no need for Gambit. Keep the relationship between Rogue and Iceman as portrayed in the movies. It works. If Halle Berry no longer plays Storm, recast her with Vanessa Williams or Thandie Newton. Bring in the Hellfire Club as villlains who trigger the Phoenix Saga. The Hellfire Club are just really good villains. If Jackma leaves playing Wolverine after these two movies (a career mistake, I think), it is possible that Wolverine could be recast, just as the James Bond character has been periodically recast. Look how long THAT franchise has run. Jackman is a great Wolverine, but Wolverine is a strong character that can survive being recast and played by different actors, I think. Anyway, I like Singers work, and I think they are smart to shoot X-Men 3 and 4 back-to-back. Good luck to the filmmakers. Barron out.
May 17, 2004, 10:41 p.m. CST
Whenever I see an X-men movie I think of that X-files episode where Mulder and Scully go to Hollywood to see a "movie" that was based on one of their cases. The final result was a campy, superficial montage, adorned with the characters most pronounced attributes. It lacked the underlying essence of the characters, who, devoid of their significant back-story and experiences were left hollow and insubstantial. In the end they were nothing but shallow ghost of their real life counterparts, mannequins for the dress shop window. I realize that I am in the extreme minority on this, ( hardly a rarity in my life), it just seems as I watch a tall, dark and handsome Wolverine tower over Jean Grey, and hear the walking cod-piece called Cyclops go on about his " cool rides" that these are far from the characters I had grown to love and respect. Many say that such changes have to be made in order for such adaptations to be "successful," personally I find this logic flawed. But if such a thing were true, and the only way to make a comic book into a movie is to gut it of all that makes it what it is, then comic book movies, in my opinion, shouldn't be made. At any rate, I definitely will not be attending what can only be an unholy butchering of Claremont's "The Phoenix Saga." I think I've had my fill of tripe, thank you very much.
May 18, 2004, 1:07 a.m. CST
by yeah i'm a jerk!
and halle berry's after that horrible turd catwoman. and patrick stewart's after that turd star trek nemesis. and ian mckellan's after...oh, wait lord of the rings kicked ass.
May 18, 2004, 1:22 a.m. CST
I dont like this idea at all. It was tried with BTTF and the third movie sucked. That brother and sister team tried it with The Matrix and we all know how bad Reloaded/Revolutions turned out. Now there's news of the most overrated summer movie of last year getting the same treatment. I have faith in Bryan Singer and everybody involved, but nobody seems to get this thing right. If its true, I hope for the best.
May 18, 2004, 2 a.m. CST
my god man FIX YOUR SERVERS
May 18, 2004, 2:34 a.m. CST
I say Viggo Mortisen would portray a magnificent Beast!!! Seriously, he has the intelect, reverence and physique. Oliver Martinez is THE ONLY PERSON I can see being Gambit (with proper martial art training), all of you other fools dropping these little known, way to old for the part, names need to realize that Gambit has to be played by someone young who can steal Rouge away from Iceboy. Here's an idea for a cool subplot: since Gambit cahrge things with high leels of energy, why not make it so that his power can counter act Rouge's making him the only mutant to be able to touch Rouge. She is lured in by his Cajun charms and dumps Bobby. A killer battle ensues between Bobby and Remy with Remy whoping his ass, causing Iceboy to leave the team! He always sucked anyway. Even in the comics. Origonally he was a big slush ball. Get rid of Halle and replace here with the on person who was best suited for Stom but was horribly over looked, Angela Bassett!!!! Come on! When I first saw her in Strange Days way back in 96 I thought to my self, THIS IS STORM!!!! Finnally, get Run Lola Run Director Tom Tykwer to direct X-Men 5 & 6, cast Dennis Haysbert as Bishop, and do the kick ass crazy Age of Apocalypse story arc: "Forget everything you thought you knew about the X-Man!"
May 18, 2004, 2:39 a.m. CST
by jules windex
I like the guy, but his big screen track record outside of X-Men is about as bad as any major actor of the last 5 years. He should hold onto this role and cherish it.
May 18, 2004, 2:49 a.m. CST
i don't know why so many people don't want him in these movies, to me he's the coolest guy on the team. not overly aggressive or concerned, just kickback, take care of business kind of attitude. and yeah, that guy with the accent in taking lives would fit the role quite well
May 18, 2004, 3:58 a.m. CST
I was bowling once with my friends and it's that nightclub bowling thing where you get drunk. At the end while we were switching our shoes back, my friend jacked my shoes and started running. I said "Man, you jacked my shoes, who do you think you are? Shoe Jackman?!" and we laughed cause it was funny at the time, and we were drunk. Then a few months later, I was at a Vancouver Canucks game. My buddy, who is a physiotherapist, was working out and training with Hugh Jackman, called me at the game and said he was there at the game with Hugh Jackman, and that we should meet up with him after. They were filming X2 at the time. Well, i didn't pay any attention to the game after that because the whole time i was debating whether i tell Hugh Jackman my Shoe Jackman story, and what his reaction would be. Do i do it? Should i tell him? What would he think of the most lamest bowling shoe joke of all time? But i am super buzzed after these 4 large hockey beers. Sooo, after the game we met him near an arena corridor, and there was Hugh Jackman. My friend introduces us and YES! I told him the story. I can't believe i told him the effing shoe jackman story?! My friend looked at me like "What the?" Hugh looked at me like "What the?" and i said "but i was really drunk at the time and it just seemed funny then." He paused for a second and said "well, don't step in shit with those shoes, or it'll be Poo Jackman" Hilarity ensued TRUE STORY
May 18, 2004, 6:57 a.m. CST
May 18, 2004, 10:28 a.m. CST
by Anna Valerious
THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. But I'd still rather see more of "Van Helsing".
May 18, 2004, 2:38 p.m. CST
Never compare this most non non heinous site to the greatness that is SuperHeroHype.com
May 18, 2004, 2:59 p.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
Filming 3 & 4 back to back is a good idea. If you get Jackman back, great, if not, recast, no biggy. In part 3, If they HAVE to give Storm a bigger part, do it by having Cyclops boo-hoo-hooing his way out over Jean & letting Storm take over as team leader & ACTUALLY FLYING. Have Collosus on the team & Kitty almost ready to join. Ditch Rogue since she's useless w/out the strength & ability to fly. NO GAMBIT, we have enough good characters. Beast would be OK but more as an ally to the cause, not a team member. Have Cyclops or Wolverine discover Jean's alive & bring her back to the mansion. Introduce the Hellfire club & the Sentinel program. Just hint at Magneto & Co. brewing a final assault on all threats to mutantkind. Then in part 4 the Sentinels attack, the Hellfire club mindfucks Jean into Dark Phoenix, & Magneto & Co. return w/ Sabertooth & either Juggernaut or the Blob. The films won't be perfect til we here Kitty call Logan Wolvie, Wolvie call Kurt elf, we see the Danger Room, & we see a fastball special damnit!!!
May 18, 2004, 4:09 p.m. CST
This is bad news to a Battlestar Galactica based movie. Fans have pinned their hope that Singer's buddy and tender Tom DeSanto will be able to helm a Glen A. Larsen movie. DeSanto also has a Transformers movie along with a Preacher movie with 'Cyclops' actor James Marsden.
May 18, 2004, 8:08 p.m. CST
go to your local blockbuster and look for a movie called "love the hard way" flip over the box and tell me if that is not the splitting image of our beloved cajun. am i right?
May 19, 2004, 2:31 a.m. CST
Great more X-men movies. I love it to continue the tradition from comics to films. Here are some ideas. We all know Jean Grey hinted a phoneix flare at the end of X-2. So Rise of Phoenix in X-3,Magneto and the Brotherhood of Mutants consist of ...Mystique,Pyro,Sabretooth,the Toad and throw in a newbie,,,Avalanch or someother non comic related character.My hope is for Juggernaut(Prof. X half bro.) More powers appearances of Colossus,Kitty Pride,Jubilee,Rouge and Ice Man. The X team are Wolverine(Pay'em extra 8 million),Storm(she wants more lines and can't fly)Prof.X,NightCrawler,Cyclops(show more leadership skills). Have Cerebro find new recruits...The Beast,Gambit and Angel(he's an originalmember) Have more flash back on Wolverine's weapon X program(say Alpha Flight/Omega Red/Japan lover Mariko All this talk of the Danger room?Still non develop. The villians besides Magneto will be Sententials. More of Wolverine Berserker Barrage(like in the video games) If the Phoneix storyline goes to wussies...Hell Fire Club ,Jason Wyngatte, crappy 18th costume mind freaks it'll suck.But, there is the delicious Emma Frost and Black Queen. Have it go against space world...The Shi'ar. The Problem will be too many super power battles.Lot of CGI. Kill Phoneix off. The X men return to earth and sucked in a time warp to the Savage Land for the cliff hanger for X-4. If Phoneix survies have her leave with Cyc's and develop the Legacy virus. Bringing on board Cable,Gambit,MasterMind,Stryfe and Mr.Sinister. The X-Men Mytho is just too vast to explain in just 2 movies.
May 19, 2004, 4:25 a.m. CST
Wow, Oliver Martinez would be PERFECT for Gambit! He needs to have incredible charm, and that guy has got it!
May 19, 2004, 5:19 a.m. CST
I ain't no comic hero feg, but Gambit has an appearance that...how do you say...isn't ugly. Brody would marble-mouth Gambit's dialect anyway, and he doesn't exactly give the impression that he can kick ass, so... I'd put in a vote for Thomas Jane as Gambit, but since he already tanked as Punisher that's inappropriate. Someone mentioned Vartan -- that's a good choice. I'd also like to see Barry Pepper as Gambit (at least, before Brody).
May 19, 2004, 8:41 a.m. CST
Now would be a good time to re-cast a younger woman as Phoenix and replace the aging Famke Janssen (who's 40 and looking way too old for the part). I never bought the "brunette to redhead" transformation between the movies. They need a true redhead and not a dye job. While they're at it, replace Halle Barry with any actress...it doesn't matter who...just replace her.
May 19, 2004, 8:51 a.m. CST
Who cares about Gambit....He's ALRIGHT, but XMEN villians are the best, let's see some new ones....maybe a little Apocalypse or Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, but I'm afraid thier probably going to go with those stupid aliens....blah blah blah
May 19, 2004, 9:10 a.m. CST
Replacing Hugh Jackman as Wolverine would be far tougher to deal with than replacing Halle or Fammke. I like Fammke, don't get me wrong, but she is definitely getting a bit long in the tooth to carry the role off (especially paired with Marsden). Halle, meanwhile, needs some serious karmic punishment after CATWOMAN by replacing her as Storm with an actress you don't have to beg to come back each time. As for the plots to X-MEN 3 and X-MEN 4, it's easy...The Hellfire Club for X-MEN 3 and Dark Phoenix for X-MEN 4. Jean gets resurrected as Phoenix at the beginning of X-MEN 3, learns to cope with her powers throughout the course of the movie, but then gets corrupted by Jason (Mastermind) Wyngarde's influence and the cliffhanger shows Jean becoming Dark Phoenix. X-MEN 4, logically, would start with Jean going off into space, destroying a star (not to mention the nearby worlds), coming back to Earth only to get taken out by Professor X, followed by Lilandra and the Imperial Guard showing up to make Jean pay for offing the star. The climactic battle at the end of X-MEN 4 features all of the X-Men fighting all of the Imperial Guard (and getting taken out one by one). Whether Jean survives the final showdown...Ahhhh, there's the mystery...
May 19, 2004, 7:33 p.m. CST
i'm sorry, but pepper (while also a good choice for gambit) is not that good looking. just go look at "love the hard way"...you'll see what i mean with adrien brody
May 19, 2004, 7:38 p.m. CST
RODRIGO SANTORO!!!!! his picture on imdb isn't that flattering, but remember him in Love, Actually? he's fucking perfect...and oliver martinez would be good too i guess.
May 19, 2004, 7:45 p.m. CST
Wow, I am surprised with all the "Kill Bill" fans on this site that no one suggests Vivica A. Fox as Storm, she would be BADASS. Also, Famke Janssen is so beautiful, not too old at all. And this is the first I have heard of a preacher movie, if there is any development on that, it should be a headlining story on the front page.
May 19, 2004, 8:25 p.m. CST
Halle Berry is returning to X-Men 3&4, so no Vivica A. Fox as Storm
May 19, 2004, 9:04 p.m. CST
That African-American chick from NYPD Blues should be the new Storm, Samantha Otto should be the new Jean Grey/Phoenix, replace that boy-band reject that`s playing Cyclops and finally...Gary Sinise should play Wolverine, dammit.
May 20, 2004, 10:03 a.m. CST
And that goes for Pirates as well.
May 20, 2004, 10:05 a.m. CST
Seems a better choice at this point, with a better accent potential than Van Damme.
May 21, 2004, 7:25 a.m. CST
by SM Shadow
We know they're going with the Phoenix saga so I think they should do 3 and 4 back to back.There was so much to that story that this is best way to go.Matrixhasyou-I agree that they should go in that direction with Gambit and Rogue.Iceman would feel isolated from her which would cause they're break up.I'm afraid that they won't get rid Iceman though,I mean he is one of the original members of the team.His character still needs time to grow and stop punking out from fights with Rogue and the other X-kids.I just hope B.Singer does'nt do the George Lucas on us and do the sequels 3 years apart like the Star Wars prequels.I will become bloodthirsty if this happens.I would love to see the Hellfire Club,but would they have time introduce a new villian team into the mix?What about the Brotherhood? and do any of ya'll think that Magneto and the Brotherhood should be the ones to try to get D.Phoenix to join their team?
May 21, 2004, 2:46 p.m. CST
The perfect choice for Gambit is Harry Connick Jr. He has the accent, the looks and the charisma. Plus he can play a ladies man and a brooding hero. Yummy!
May 22, 2004, 11:12 a.m. CST
Y'know, I was just watching X2 again last night, and afterwards I was thinking they're really gonna have to raise it up several notches for the third movie. The producers have been hinting at the possibilities for a while now. If they maintain the vibe of "2", and plausibly introduce the new elements fans have been calling for, those who liked it should be happy. At this point I'm feeling like, Fine! Quit himhawing around about it, and bring on Beast and Gambit, a Danger Room workout sequence, Sentinels, and Phoenix! And the Berry-woman has done lost her damn mind, it sounds as though she's burned her bridges. We can only hope this is an opportunity for the filmmakers to bring in a more suitable Storm. Not to sound caustic, but I daresay no one would mind the change.
May 22, 2004, 2:51 p.m. CST
Please get rid of Halle Barry and bring in Angela Basset to replace her. Also Please cast Jean-Claude Van Damme in the role of Gambit. My reason for this being this guy needs a comeback in his career and I think he's long overdue and this could be the role that'd do it for him.
May 23, 2004, 7:03 a.m. CST
by SM Shadow
Angela Basset is too old to play Storm.Jean-Claude can't seem to stop making B-movies to do anything solid at this point in time and he's also to old.But since we don't know what kind of age group Bryan is willing to place gambit in then who really knows.Gambit does'nt necessarily have to be the same age as Rogue,maybe a couple of years older.I could imagine Jean-Claude trying to mack a teenage mutant.
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