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Angel 5.19 FAQ
What’s it called?
“Time Bomb.”
Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to Ben Edlund (“Life of the Party,” “Smile Time”).
What does TV Guide say?
“After her unstable mystical powers allow her to jump time dimensions, Illyria discovers the gang's plot to kill her, so Angel must go back in time to keep her from murdering his friends first. Elsewhere, Gunn returns from his self-imposed exile and tries to get back into the swing of things at Wolfram & Hart. His first case involves overseeing a demonic adoption in which the surrogate mother (Jaime Bergman) may not have been given full disclosure.”
Angel can jump back through time now? Why doesn’t he go back and save Fred from Illyria? Why doesn’t he go back and prevent Darla from turning him into a vampire?
Angel can’t control time, he just gets caught in Illyria’s temporal wake. Illyria even says “You were swept up in my wake,” as if she were a giant fan of “Star Trek: First Contact” or something.
Hamilton tried to offer Gunn a bargain last week. Does Hamilton actually get to offer it this week?
He does not. Illyria rescues Gunn in the opening scene. No bargain is struck with Hamilton, or anyone else.
Gunn is trying cases again?
He revisits his office to find enormous stacks of files.
How’s Wesley Wyndam-Pryce doing with those restored memories?
Fine. He’s very focused on the blue girl.
What’s Spike up to?
He continues to test Illyria’s limits.
Krevlornswath (of the Deathwok Clan)?
He’s assigned to tail Illyria. He gets to say things like “Bluebird is in flight.”
The big news?
Illyria stakes Spike. Reduces him to dust. The mortality rate on regular characters this season? Poor! Or spectacular! Depending on your perspective!
What else is TV Guide not telling us?
Angel turns evil. Again.
What’s good?
The way Wesley scurries about his office, researching The Old Ones. The Fell demons, so relentless in their sliminess. Hamilton generally, but especially “It’s a business, boys! Not a Batcave!” in particular. The long conversation between Angel and Illyria near episode’s end. “Tell you what. Still like him better than Eve.” “We look so tiny to her.” “Yes! The patent-holder is a client.” “It’s consecrated urine.” “Oh, that’s mature.” “Do you even know how to use this thing?”
What’s not so good?
“Life of the Party” offered more urine jokes.
How does it end, spoiler-boy?
“What are you doing?” “What we’re supposed to,” answers Angel. “Serve our clients.”
Herc’s rating for “Angel” 5.19?
***1/2
The Hercules T. Strong Rating System:
***** better than we deserve
**** better than most motion pictures
*** actually worth your valuable time
** as horrible as most stuff on TV
* makes you quietly pray for bulletins
9 p.m. Wednesday. The WB.
Swing the crebbil!
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Wes: "Illyria?" (expressing concern after his apparatus has sucked the explosive energy force out of her)
Illyria (collapsed on the floor and recovering): "Touch me and die, vermin!!"
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What the fuck? Man, the Buffyverse has gotten nihilistic. Will anyone live? I wanna see a Buffy movie dammit!
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Spike get staked, Wes and Kev are killed, and Angel decapitated, all in about 1.5 seconds
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'Bluebird' goes kaboom and takes out the west coast as well
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Isn't the pregnant woman Angel's wife IRL? Does that mean that David's wife is pregnant? Also in Wes's conversation with Hamilton he lets slip that WR&H want Fred gone. Does that mean they think she will ruin whatever evil plan they have in the works? And if that is true then Angel & Crew nerfing her powers at episodes end is surely a mistake.
Also I think it is sad to make next week's episode about Buffy and just show fleeting glimpses of the back of her head. Better to not have her in any episode then to do that.
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fucking Smallville was GREAT! Way to redeem themselves from some of the other stinker episodes this season. Back to Angel....I don't know how they can tie this all up adequately. Now matter how good the next few episodes, when it ends it will probably all feel so hollow due to the rushed finish. And despite the great episodes this year, I still miss Team Angel breaking bad and kicking some ass. Especially Angel...he just seems so de-fanged this year. Here's to hoping, shit praying, for some TV movies!
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To start off with I have LOVED these episodes of Angel. They are getting to be so good. But if this is, god forbid, the last season then where is the closure?!? These episodes don't seem to me to have a sense of an approaching end. The final Buffy episodes always had a feeling of an impending end, not only the series finale but the season ones as well. I realize this show is not Buffy but I havn't felt the feeling of an ending coming up. Anyway thats my piece.
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WTF....now that little tidbit of info that Hamilton shared was intriguing. But I find it curious that Wes wouldn't mention that to Angel and the rest of them team right away. Especially since this ep revolved around the "supposed" motivation of the rest of the team wanting to get rid of her, and Wes obviously (as we find out at the end) NOT wanting to. You would think he would have used that info from Hamilton as a point in his save the Bluebird campaign. Bluebird also hinted at her familiarity with "The Wolf, The Ram, and The Hart." This plot point intrigues me the most and I hope they satisfactorily develop it and don't leave it hanging like a Chris Claremont plot thread.
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Hamilton clearly tried to bargain with Gunn last week. Then Gunn stopped him before Hamilton could even explain what the offer was.
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Saddly it won't be done in the movies, HOAX:
Angel September TV Movie is a HOAX !?!
From Buffy.nu - By RavenU - 2004-04-28th
Reply to the article First ANGEL TV Movie May Hit in September
I saw Mercedes McNab this past weekend at a convention and she said none of the cast has heard about doing a movie, and they think it is a hoax that the WB is pulling on the fans to placate them and to get them to keep watching the WB next season.
So if the movie was really going to happen in Sept you think they would be in contract negociations with the actors about it at this time and they would have heard something. If they were going to be airing in Sept they would have to be filming it in June or July, which means contracts would have to be done now at the latest, since that -
Havok, Illyria mentioned that the Wolf, Ram, and Hart were just lesser beings during her reign over the world in the first or second episode she appeared in. I think she said they stuck to the shadows and schemed or some such. Basically implied that they bided their time and are in their current state of power due to underhanded tactics.
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When Angel was jumping back and forth through time, did he get switched with future-Angel (the Angel who has been running Wolfram & Hart for years and is corrupt and evil)? Is that maybe why Angel was evil at the end?? Illyria did speak of an evil Angel.*****I don't know yet if I liked this episode or not. It was choppy, and the time-jumps confused me.*****I like that they drained Illyria of some of her power, if this is leading up to her becoming part of the Fang Gang, like Wesley suggested. At least, I HOPE that's where they're going with this. I don't want Illyria/Fred to be the season Big Bad, because that's been done twice before. And I don't want her turning back into Fred at the end.*****Anyone else think that Wolfram & Hart had something to do with bringing Illyria forth? After all, none of this would have happened had the Partners not taken away Gunn's smarts.
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AtS is pretty much always good. Lorne tracking the Smurf was great.Amy Acker IMHO does a great job as Illerya(however the fuck you spell it).Mercedes McNab, fine as always. I see David threw his out-of-work wife a bone(no pun intended). And...... fucking SMALLVILLE is milking cock latley. Jesus christ could someone tell me what the fuck this whole season has been about?
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Or just a guest star? Maybe I haven't been paying attention. Anyways, I love Angel, and I'm heartbroken it won't return when major shitfarts like the OC will.
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She's only been on the main cast for 2 eps, this was her third...sad she only gets 6 eps....
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Anyone notice the huge f-up when Illyria supposed killed Lorne? Doesn't Lorne have to have his head torn off and his body dismembered to actually die? It was shown back when Angel's gang got stuck in Lorne's home dimension. A small flaw in an kickass season. F the WB and F their mothers. Oh wait I already did. Skeetskeetskeet.
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MAYBE. . . . it's never been explored in our dimension, remember in Pylea Angel could walk in sunlight..physics here are different.
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Remember the line "Serve no master but your ambition." Angel's ambition is to end Wolfram & Hart and the apocalypse. Therefore he's going along with it to beat W&H in the end.
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Angel flat out asks Wesley if he lied about that gun killing Iilari, Iilar, uh, Dark Fred, and Wes says yes and Angel doesn't seem that concerned about it. I mean, with his new batch of old memories, you think Wes would be watching his shit with Angel.
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According to Lorne - "You cut off our heads, we just keep on a-tickin' until you mutilate our bodies." Maybe Illyria mutilated Lorne's body just enough to kill him. Or.. you just didn't see her do it.. You know, she can warp time and stuff.. Yeah.. Anyway - HERC - watch last week's episode again and then apologize to TV Guide.
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Is it just me, or did they already have an episode where a lady was about to sign away her baby for sacrifice? I thought the whole time that they were all in a big messed up time warp, but I'm probably just tripping.
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great acting great script great direction. WTF? Is this show really going off the air?
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Apr 29, 2004 12:56:57 AM CDT
Who cares about this lame duck show, I just saw Cordelia's boobi
by headless roland
booyah!!
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They are the scurge of internet forums and talkbacks. The lowest form of life.
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shouldn't something be happening? Shouldn't they be dealing with something big and bad?
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I agree Bruce, the best CONVENTION in the US is http://www.FlashBackWeekend.com Boreanaz in his only appearance....
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Is gonna be live in Chicago, Right Gollum.?.?. www.FlashBackWeekend.com , right???
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'cause Hamilton did make Gunn an offer, Gunn just turned it down.
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Apr 29, 2004 4:54:41 AM CDT
I read elsewhere that TNT is the best possibility for an Angel t
by prof. pop-cult
And just ONE movie. All the stuff we've been reading about a series of TV movies on the WB are rumors, and simply not true. As some others have pointed out, it doesn't make sense that the WB would produce 6 telefilms. For one example, where in their line-up would they have the room to air these? TNT is rumored to be interested in funding production of a follow-up telefilm to air on its network. The Angel repeats have been doing well for that network. When you think about, TNT seems like the best and most realistic possibility. We should write in our support to TNT.
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Maybe that is what they are going to announce. Heck, maybe Whedon and him are shacking up now. Who knows. I really feel that there will be no Angel telemovies. Wish there was.
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It's pretty obvious that he takes those demons into his office and kills them.
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As I watched tonight I snuck a look at what Herc rated the show early in my viewing time. I was already under the impression that the episode would be awesome once Illyria burst on the scene. Anyway I think that the apocalypse as Wolf- Ram-and-Hart know it. Illyria transcends both Angel and the parteners. When Angel and Spike are there together as the world ends and die it still means that both vampires with souls had a part to play in the end of the world. I really think it is over and the next three will be devoted to sewing up what Angel does next and hopefully lead into a spin-off with Whedon favories Marsters and Acker.
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Yeah, it would be nice if we got _one_ Angel movie from TNT. But let's face it - that's about it. Might get two. Pretender folks also had high hopes about a series of TV movies on TNT, and look what happens - we got 2 that were...eh at best, and then the whole Pretender thing dropped down a black hole.
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Something won't happen until ep 21. Next week's episode is a comedy romp in itally written by "The Drew" and Stephen S. DeKNight. THey go to "save" buffy from the immortal, but it turns out she's happy, and without actually ever seeing her (they get their info through Andrew) they realize they need to get over it and move on...leading up to the last two eps where we think Angel's turning evil, but well, I'm not sure again what the spoiler rules are here...but remember in Buffy how all the demon characters died and the humans were left standing? Yin to Yang baby...yin to yang.....
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Who the fuck is Herv?
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Apr 29, 2004 9:01:18 AM CDT
Who are they going to get to play the back of Buffy's head next
by rev_skarekroe
Can't wait! sk
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I didn't tape it, so I can't confirm, but I thought Angel or Illyria said something about the clown passing out, meaning that though she may have struck him, he wasn't dead, just out. Anyone have it on tape?
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I have loved this season, but last night's ep. seemed scattershot and random to me. Too many Illyria speeches, and I never quite caught on what they were trying to do with the Fell demons and the pregnant lady, and I certainly didn't understand the ending. And that plotline did seem familiar. I don't know...felt like something was missing.
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This show just keeps getting better with each episode. Way better than last season (and I liked last season). The way the show has been progressing, next season would have been awsome! It's a shame the network would not have had more respect for this show and allow them an entire season to wrap up. Or even half a season. TV movies, the occasional two-hour episode? I don't hold out much hope. WB may just be trying to placate viewers, as SpeakerWiggin said. It sounds like "we can still be friends". Dumped is dumped, no matter how sweetly it is said.
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Is TNT going to play this season of Angel, or is it going to drop it before they can. My viewing of this season has, sadly, been spotty at best.Maybe TNT will turn into the third comedy channel after TBS. WTF.
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#1: At least 1 telefilm seems likely. If it works out well, there will be interest in a second, but don't think for a second that they'll make plans for a second (or 6th) telefilm until the first one airs.
#2: They probably botched the Lorne thing, but if it helps you out to explain it away - If I'm a lover, not a fighter, and someone wastes the three toughest guys I know in 1.5 seconds (and does significant damage to me in the process), I'm playing dead. Or, maybe I'm knocked unconcious.
#3: Go back and watch the last few moments, when Ilyria speaks to Angel during the time leaping, when Angel talks about Ilyria after she has had her powers diminished and when Angel walks into the office. Put them together. Angel is acting bad, not being bad. -
BtVS, season 3. Faith says that she is the best actor in the world and Angel says something in response. Keep it in mind.
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Chicago got David Boreanaz. Not that I really wanted to see him in person, I'd rather see Alex Denisof or the Clem guy, but still. Big Nelson Muntz ha ha to the West Coast on that one.
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Whats the deal with Wesley and Gunn? I mean, is Gunn not a little angry that his friend stabbed him? Has there been any interaction between them since it happened?
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Apr 29, 2004 3:06:32 PM CDT
The finale "spoilers" posted earlier are false, I bet.
by prof. pop-cult
Thinking about it some more, I have a feeling that the spoilers that have been going around the net and which Herc put up are false. Something about the "tone" feels off, and the spoilers feel almost as false as those for the rumored Buffy season enders for Seasons 5 and 6. The most reliable news sources seem to suggest that Episodes 21 and 22 comprise a two-parter.
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During season two wasn't there some sort of big meeting at Wolfram and Hart where one of the senior partners took on physical form and Angel attacked and killed him/it with some type of magical gauntlet or somesuch.
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Apr 29, 2004 3:58:06 PM CDT
Wonderfalls rumor renewal on WB is false, a WB rep says.
by prof. pop-cult
http://www.enewszone.com/tv/news/1082833799.html
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Apr 29, 2004 4:01:10 PM CDT
The Senior Partners -- who or what are they? My theory: The SP a
by prof. pop-cult
Just my theory. The idea of Angel, Spike and Illyria battling some big CG dragon in the finale sounds dumb.
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Dunno if I'm more sorry for Nick Brendon, or happy that Buffy still has some pull with the "national" press
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118557,00.html
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Apr 29, 2004 6:47:19 PM CDT
If the theory that the Senior Partners are in fact Team Angel, i
by prof. pop-cult
For example, why the Senior Partners never wanted to kill Angel. Why Lindsey hate Angel (maybe Lindsey knows who Angel is). Notice also that throughout this season we've been seeing the "dark side" of the other members of the Team: Wes, Lorne (when he "hulked out"), Lawyer Gun, and Fred becoming Illyria. Maybe what happens is that somehow Angel becomes Angelus again, and it is Angelus in the future who is the head Senior Partner. I don't see Wes as one of the Partners -- maybe he went insane (over his unrequited love for Fred and Illyria; and inability to sort out the two sets of memories he has) and is locked up in an asylum. Gunn is probably dead in this future. Lorne probably walked away from Wolfram & Hart. Ditto Spike. But Harmony and Illyria are still around. Future Angelus has been keeping the timeline going so that Angel will turn into him.
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Apr 29, 2004 6:54:12 PM CDT
Sadly, no one will be picking up a story arc driven program watc
by koomoreborn
Attempts to make the show "Law and Order: Fang Gang" failed. There's virtually no romance and relationship angst to attract the fairer sex. The con rumor can be placed in the same file as "Ripper" -- all that stuff is designed to keep the fan boys coming back and give these one-shot TV stars a modest living. Sadly, game over.
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They didn't give us enough info to jump to any conclusions about why Angel was acting like that at the end. My guess is he is playing along, afterall, if the woman signed the contract her son would live for 13 years before being sacrificed. Plenty of time to save him from the fell beasts but get on the Sr. Partners good side first. Illiria is very long winded, glad they admitted it in the show. Seeing everyone killed so quickly was a trip unto itself, wish Gunn had been in there too! And yes, that was David B.'s real life wife playing the pregnant woman. They didn't do her up very well, as she's a former Playboy Playmate of the Year and was smoking hot on the FX series Son of the Beach. Is she pregnant again? They just had a kid a year ago or so. can't believe only 3 more left!!!
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This episode was a bit of a letdown, but it doesn't matter because Angel is still the second best tv series after The Shield. Ouf course there was some fun stuff. Illyria kicked ass and whoever designed Acker's outfit and look should get a major raise, cause the person has a wicked imagination. I can't believe we are almost at the end of Angel. I hope we get an epic apocalypse showdown. Fuck you, Warner Bastards. I hope Dark Shadows will fall so hard on its face that it will loose all its teeth. Not only that, but I also hope someone throws Jordan Levin off the balcony in the Warner Bastards building.
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Because I remember Hamilton tried to strike a deal with Gunn. Hamilton came down into the cellar, tried to talk, and Gunn said 'No.' They even referred to the incident this week.
TV Guide didn't lie. Herc, however, is a big spas who can't even sit through 45 minutes of TV and come out of the experience with a general sense of the plot. -
both god's both come back to a time where theyre nothing anymore. he's reusing old plots.
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