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Tarantino to unleash 'the fused' KILL BILL: THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR at Cannes
Harry here -- and if you're like me and seen KILL BILL VOL 2 four times already - this is fantastic news. So curious to see if that Bill vs Al Simmons fight gets put back in! Here ya go...
Hi Harry,
I got the chance to attend the Kill Bill: Volume 2 press conference at the Conrad Hotel, London yesterday for Film-Reviews.Net . In attendance were Michael Madson, Darryl Hannah, David Carodine and Uma Thurman. It was cool seeing the actors, though David Carrodine seemed intent on telling us his life story. After a Q and A session with the actors, they set up a live satalite link up with Quentin Tarantino. I was one of the lucky few that got to ask Quentin a question. I asked him whether he had plans to re-edit Kill Bill: Volume 1 and 2 back together. He went on to explain about the Japanese versions of both films that were released, which had all of the violent scenes in full colour (House of Blue Leaves etc). Quentin retained the distribution rights to both parts. He then revealed to me that he had already edited both volumes back together and would be premiering the complete film on the last day of the Cannes Film Festival this year! You heard it here first!
Best regards,
Mark O'Connell
www.Film-Reviews.net
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probably 3rd by the time I hit enter.
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Pancreas
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Apr 21, 2004 8:09:06 AM CDT
so will The Whole Bloody Affair be in whole bloody colour and wi
by mansep
that's what we all want to know!!!! :)
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You heard it here first.
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Apr 21, 2004 8:17:30 AM CDT
When Gibson Uses Violence, It's "Stomach-Churning", when Taranti
by heckstorm2004
"It's as if Gibson is measuring God's love by the amount of blood he shows on the screen." - Los Angeles Daily News
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When The Passion uses nothing but stomach-churning gore and misery for damned near its entire running time, it's a lot different from Kill Bill using kinetic comic-book violence... and part 2 has far less violence than part 1, unlike The Passion, which is sadism from beginning to end.
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...the programme of this year's Cannes Film Festival has been released: Innocence (ghost in the machine 2), Fahrenheit 9/11 (michael moore's view on bush during 9/11), flying daggers (better follow up of hero), the life and death of peter sellers, troy, shrek 2, ladykillers, bad santa, mottorcycle diaries, the bad education and all the surprises...
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Maybe it's because QT is a cinematic genious at the absolute height of his talents doing something he truly loves, while Gibson's a money-grubbing hypocrite and, to quote Stan from South Park, "a whacked-out douchebag."
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Apr 21, 2004 8:25:56 AM CDT
At Least Ann Hornaday (Washington Post) Called Kill Bill "Soul D
by heckstorm2004
But it's really amusing to see how transparent these effete snob critics really are in their double standards.
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Uhh.. KidZ, learn to spell.
And yeah, spending your own personal money financing a film entirely in two dead languages, based on the New Testement and an obscure book by a 19th century nun, is an exercise in "money grubbing" worse than Lucas! So true! -
Apr 21, 2004 8:33:58 AM CDT
heckstorm's just pointing out the media double-standard
by undercoverlover
and I have to agree. I'm as far from a Christian as you can imagine, but I believe all artists should get their fair shake. The Media (c) always hates "realistic" violence. They, however, love artistic, stylized, "comic book" violence and action. Someone needs to do a thesis on the violence in "Passion," "Kill Bill" (both volumes), and "Dawn of the Dead." Not me, though - I'm off to see both KB2 and DOTD yet AGAIN!!!
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money grubbing whore, he splits his movie in 2 then will release them separately then as one. Then in a special ed, then in a collectors edition with weak ass interviews cut into pieces and placed over the movie as a supposed commentary. What a jack ass
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Apr 21, 2004 8:47:38 AM CDT
What's been altered for the Japanese version of Volume 2?
by monkey butler
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the reason they get totally different kinds of reviews is that they are totally different kinds of films with different sensibilities and execution when it comes to depicting violence. For what it's worth, in my opinion Kill Bill is pure cinematic pleasure of the most audacious and bloody kind. whereas Passion is a self-important and nasty piece of work that plays to the worst kind of bloodthirsty religious types.
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Apr 21, 2004 9:10:18 AM CDT
I hated The Passion, but the snobbish reviews by the critics wer
by vikingkitty
The critics (particularly those at the ultra-liberal New York Times) can't stand the idea of someone having strong faith. It wouldn't have mattered if The Passion was a masterpiece worthy of praise beyond all bounds, the NYT's and most critics still would have slammed it. As for Kill Bill, I thought the first one was so bad, I had doubts about going to the second. However, Vol. 2 really redeemed the mess that was Vol. 1. If Quentin would have edited and spliced the two movies, he could have made one great movie.
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...what does this have to do with "Shaun of the Dead"? sk
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Apr 21, 2004 9:29:41 AM CDT
The Audience Will Fall Asleep By The Time Vol. 2 Gets Going...
by karl childers
There's a reason they were released in two parts. You'll be exhausted by the time you've watched Vol.1 and the pace of the second part is so slow you'll be snoozing.
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Lets see how long it takes for this movie to make into "Special Screenings" across the world...So miramax can get even more PURE profit and delay the dvd which we are all waiting for...
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Apr 21, 2004 9:46:59 AM CDT
The black and white scenes in KILL BILL fucked up the movie for
by spacesheik
I new instantly it was a SCHINDLERS LIST type deal where violence had to be monochromed in order to get R and not NC 17. The fight was ruined by that stuff.
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It's Carradine. With an 'A.' I mean, seriously--how hard is it to look up the correct spelling of a principal actor's name when posting to a site that will be read by millions of people? A little due diligence, please.
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Okay. So I'm an asshole.
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Apr 21, 2004 9:53:44 AM CDT
Now I loooove Kill Bill both Vol.s... But SEXTUPLE-DIPPING the D
by trav mcgee
Picked this up off http://www.digitalbits.com/#mytwocents but if you get/are registered with the NYT (I'm not) check out the whole article: ... Miramax is reportedly preparing to release a half-dozen different DVD editions of Kill Bill: "This is the beauty of having two volumes," said Rick Sands, chief operating officer at Miramax. "Vol. 1 goes out, Vol. 2 goes out, then Vol. 1 Special Edition, Vol. 2 Special Edition, the two-pack, then the Tarantino collection as a boxed set out for Christmas. It's called multiple bites at the apple. And you multiply this internationally." Mr. Tarantino has also cut an alternate version of the movie for Japan. .... Jesus Christ! The size of the hairy titanium balls on THAT guy, to just throw that in our face! Okay, so now you know. Pick which "bite of the apple" you want and fuck the rest. Jesus Christ, Miramax!
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Somebody had to say it. A quality, successfull Christian-themed movie was like kryptonite to the liberel elitist film snobs. "Can't... give... good... review. Must... disapprove of... Christianity!" It was fascinating to watch the double standard. The Passion was "soulless" whereas QT walked on water. Kill Bill was bunk, just the "emporer's" new clothes... QT hasn't done anything worthwhile since Reservoir Dogs.
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Look, I enjoyed both films. I even accept that they worked well split in two, as both the pace and drive were sufficiently different for long enough periods of time to warrant this.
But I probably won't shell out any additional cash to see both as one film, even with extras. I'll wait for the eventual DVD set. If that.
I sometimes wait ages for 'directors cut' versions of films, but don't feel any real need to see one for this.
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can be summed up here: http://www.ninthfloor.com/passion.html -- I'm an atheist, but I've liked plenty of biblical films. Take that as you like. Oh, and I'm finally seeing the Kill Bill movies this weekend. So I have absolutely nothing relevant to say right now and I've wasted everyones' time. Sorry, Talkback Nation!
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a good movie. and it has nothing to do with christianity (which it didn't represent by the way - just an ultra conservative sect of catholicism which differs greatly from the vast majority of christian teaching) and it has nothing to do with the violence (which was much worse than in kill bill because kill bill made no attempt to make its violence look realistic while the passion was almost a snuff film). however it has everythging to do with the fact that the passion was very poorly researched both historically and biblically, on top of which it was one of the most melodramatic films I have ever seen. There has to be more slow mo cinematography in the passion than any film ever made - easily half the movie is in slow mo. the acting, while good, is over the top for the most part, and there is zero character developement for any character outside of jesus, whose character developement was pretty neglected as well. its a movie full of gimmicks designed to make you feel bad about something you have no reason to feel bad about - no matter what your religious convictions are. not only that it has polarized the viewing public, and not in a positive, lets start a dialogue way, but in the "you didn't like the passion? now i hate you, or you liked the passion? now I hate you" way. The only good that came out of this movie is the hundreds of millions of dollars it made for Mel Gibson, who is by the way, not donating it to some christian charity or helping to fund underpriviledged kids programs, but putting it back into making another movie where he can tell millions of people that he feels their religious beliefs are wrong. and all that would be fine, if mel had really made a good movie, but it was haphazardly written based on what he remembered of the gospels, and directed with the desire to be manipulative.
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Apr 21, 2004 10:45:35 AM CDT
I was one of the people who felt ripped off by KILL BILL getting
by frankdrebin
The two parts really are different in tone (KB1 was almost non-stop action, while KB2 alternated action with lengthy dialog scenes). A single 238-minute film (minus the few minutes of recap at the start of KB2) would have been mind-numbing to sit through. James Cameron's TITANIC at least had the talky part first, then the action part second. And my feeling is that this is the order of scenes QT always intended, so they cou;dn't be rearranged to even the pacing. Looking back, I'm glad it was handled this way. But I'm sure I'll gripe again over the multiple DVD plans.
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What's with the animosity toward good 'ol Quentin? One thing I'm tired of hearing are complaints about splitting Kill Bill in half, especially calling QT a greedy money grubbing studio whore. Hot damn is it ever obvious you guys don't know what its like to earn a goddamn buck. Everything is an attempted a cash in. Everything. It's a matter of fact in the adult world, film industry or not. Get over yourselves.
No one's getting ripped off here, both KBV1 and KBV2 are full length. Kill Bill is derivative? No, The Punisher, Hellboy, Scooby Doo, Walking Tall and Home On The Range are derivative. Kill Bill is an original movie with an original story, and to understand that, you have to understand that almost every movie that gets produced these days is 'based' or 'adapted' on some previously existing story. So it's nice that cimema gets what it deserves: A story created with the medium specifically in mind. It just doesn't happen too often in mainstream media, so why bash it? C'mon. About Mel Gibson: Calling him a wacko is unfair. He's just a guy who made a movie about something he believes in, and it's not right to diss someone based on their faith. It's a gory movie, but worry about violence in real life, not farkin' movies. Humans have been going apeshit and beating the shit out of each other since the beginning of time, and movies ain't going to improve or worsen anything or anyone. -
You guys are sheep. How did the silly Passion debate morph into an anti-Kill Bill crusade anyway? Who started it? I would imagine it was someone on Fox News, as it seems to dictate most conservative thinking in this country. And lest you think I'm bashing the conservatives, note the phrase "silly Passion debate" above. It's silly because all of you knee-jerk liberals bashed it for alleged anti-Semitism, most without having even seen it. I was astonished when my political friends on both sides of the fence would invariably start talking about Passion and Bill together. What the fuck? Clearly someone has pushed their pro-Passion agenda onto us with this the same way idiots pushed their anti-Passion agenda onto us last winter. What is the common denominator between these two movies -- violence? Gimme a break, morons. One is a serious depiction of a serious topic with violence used in arguably meaningful ways. The other is a farcical depiction of a farcical topic with violence used as comedy. I don't understand why one has to be valid and the other invalid. No, actually I do. It's so that people with politics on the brain can bash people with opposing politics on the brain. Like I said at the start. Sheep.
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When he says "which it didn't represent by the way - just an ultra conservative sect of catholicism which differs greatly from the vast majority of christian teaching". Um, no. Every 'sect' of Christianity recognizes the importance and significance of Christ's suffering, and is completely aligned with the themes of the Passion. At most a fellow Christian could dispute some of the details, but nothing more than that. This is fully illustrated in the fact that just about every sect of Christianity wholeheartedly endorses the film, and by the films wild popularity. And it was a great film.
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Apr 21, 2004 11:57:10 AM CDT
Lets all remember Miramax is part of the Kingdom of Eisner
by sharpel007
I dont really blame QT for the split and the eventual multiple disc, I blame Eisner and the Weinsteins, sure they hate each other but there both money grubing pigs. And Schindlers List was not done in Black and White to get a lower rating. It was done for artistic reasons. I find Black and White more emotional than colour, and ask all of your B&W haters to watch Schindler, Raging Bull, and the work of Ingmar Bergman and tell me otherwise.
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Apr 21, 2004 11:57:45 AM CDT
Jessicka Spanky said : "Kill Bill is an original movie with an o
by iamlegolas
Oh is it really now? --- http://www.hkflix.com/coupons/hkflix_03-10-10/
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I can't set foot in an "R" rated movie without seeing or hearing some 5 year old with his poor excuse for parents in the theater. If I had gone to see that movie with Monica Bellucci where she was involved in an intense rape scene(i'm pretty sure it wasn't "The Passion", but then again I haven't seen that either so it's possible) there would have been a kid there too. Actually I take that back, i've never seen a small child in an innappropriate movie at an independent theater. Wonder if that means anything? Oh yeah Kill Bill rah rah.
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Apr 21, 2004 12:12:27 PM CDT
Comparing KB with PotC is as pointless as comparing comparing sh
by trav mcgee
...To abusively paraphrase a similar sentiment by Altman about his own films vs. Hollywood. They're doing two utterly separate things, merely sharing the medium and some of its tools. For what it's worth, I just didn't think Passion was all that good of a film. I thought it was poor, near-amateurish storytelling of a great story (not to be confused with its often excellent photography, and *some* good acting). Sorry, I just don't think Gibson is much of a filmmaker. As for the comparison of how Gibson and Tarantino use the cinematic tool of screen violence to achieve their goals, if a comparison has to be made, here's my take. Tarantino artistically used excessive violence and ELEVATED his genre of choice; Gibson artistically used excessive violence and LOWERED his genre of choice. Just one film-goer's opinion. I don't knock Gibson for expressing himself, and succeeding financially. I just don't think it took a very good film to succeed financially, just the RIGHT film, well marketed.
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Seriously, c'mon. Steven Speilberg stole Indiana Jones' outfit from republic serial artwork, and so what. Aside from dead obvious tributes, everything creative is influenced off of something else. You can't expect a musician to build a new piano everytime he writes a song. Kill Bill isn't an adaption, remake or based on anything else, and if no one sues your highly profitable movie for plagarism, it's probably becuase you didn't rip anyone off.
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See if you can spot the exact point at which I sneezed while typing the subject line. Fucking allergies. Beautiful weather finally, but these fucking allergies.
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Apr 21, 2004 12:33:18 PM CDT
I hate to take sides on this "Talkback of Talkbacks" but here go
by zsasz
I have a real problem with the people that are so rabidly defending "The Passion".(notice I didn't say I hated the movie, Mel, Christianity, so don't try to call me anti-anything EXCEPT anti-people rabidly defending the Passion. My main problem stems from three points....
1) Regardless if it is snuff,ultra-violence,sadistic, or a triumph of the suffering of the human spirit through my Lord and Savior, the movie is violent. It should not be watched bu children. Its hypocrisy that the same people who champion against violence in movies and the efffect that it has on children should allow their kids to see The Passion. This movie is brutal and Stephen King said it best in EW that a 9 year old lying in bed at night isn't going to remember that Jesus died for our sins; they are only going to remember flesh pulled from the bone and Jim Caviezel's swollen bloodied face. Don't try to pull that lame " My children someday are going to see the violent Freddy/Jason X so I'd rather them see violence that has meaning" B.S. either. Violence is violence be it live-action anime like Kill Bill or realistic beat-down violence like The Passion.
2) This movie, in about 6 months is going to start another debate as rabid supporters of it are going to push for it to be released on free network televsion with no editing for content. I find it hypocritical that many people who support this movie(i.e. conservatives) also for the most part speak out in defense of clearing our FREE airwaves of smut, indecency and violence harmful to our families. (For the record, I feel that it should be allowed on unedited....just like Saving Private Ryan and Schindlers List. I'm not a proponent of governmental interference...if you don't like it, TURN IT OFF.
3) The defenders of The Passion have no tolerance for anyone who says they didn't like it..."Don't like the editing....ANTI-CHRISTIAN!!!!!.....acting a little stale......CHRIST-BASHING!!!!!.....Don't care for Mel's style of direction.....CATHOLIC-HATER!!!" Is it possible that people don't like this movie not because they hate the Heartland, baseball, the American flag, apple pie and mom....but because its not executed that well? The Passion is art, and art is subject to criticism in content and execution. Because I don't like the execution of the medium does that mean I hate the subject matter? I don't think so. To me, the supporters of this movie refuse to allow people to separate subject matter from execution; choosing instead to cry out ANTI-CHRISTIAN/CATHOLIC/AMERICAN/RELIGION/JESUS at anyone who dis-likes the movie. -
Because I really wanted to talk back to say that I am psyched that there's going to be a combined version because, although it would be quite butt-numbing, after seeing Vol. 2, I definitely feel that the whole will be better than the two parts. I was happy to rent the Vol. 1 DVD and will wait for the holiday season to get my big box with the whole Kill Bill at once. No one gripes when the whole Lord of the Rings trilogy has many different DVD versions. ps. I have no idea if Passion is good or not, but QT loved it. I don't do Mel flicks because (in case my user ID doesn't give it away) I'm not down with the 'phobes, and MG is quite the major 'phobe. He's got plenty of fans and moolah anyway.
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Apr 21, 2004 12:53:18 PM CDT
On the topic of multiple DVD releases, does anyone know if "Blu
by frankdrebin
Or am I going to have to buy T2 yet again?
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Apr 21, 2004 12:58:21 PM CDT
Great, a Kill Bill Marathon for the fucking Tarantino sicophants
by durendal
Kill Bill sucked! There were major holesin the story. Take the part where Uma kills Buck in the beginning. She smashes his head in the door and somehow manages to crawl away without being noticed. She hides in his truck for 13 hours and somehow the cops don't find her. And she's still driving the eyesore Pussy Wagon SIX MONTHS after killing it's owner. Like the cops wouldn't have found it. Tarantino is a fucking egotistical prick who couldn't write good dialog if God himself commanded it. The story (what little there was)wasn't "original", it was recycled kung-fu horseshit. Even the gore was sub-par. We wanna see gushing torrents Quentin, not a fucking lawn sprinkler. The worst part is the hordes of Tarantino fanboys, sicophants and apologist who wolf down Tarantino's shit because he told them that it was Belgian chocolate and they believed him. They don't even bother to taste the shit their eating because Tarantino said it was good, so it must be! KB was overflowing with that asshole's fucking ego. That much was painfully obvious.
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...Much to my relief. thedigitalbits had an article that touched on the matter just this week. Doesn't mean the studios won't dip yet again in their release, but your old DVDs will still look just as good on the new players.
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I'll re-read a John D Macdonald in your honor.
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Plain and simple. If this was Lucas' Kill Bill, more people would be out for blood. I don't necessarily blame QT, and I think this is more a Miramax decision, but it's still just a cashgrab. And it's a good thing that they did it this way, because it more or less doubles the box office. Kill Bill Vol. 1 was NOT a hit. It did okay domestically, but was not a runaway success. The fact that there will be probably no less than 4 releases of this on DVD shows how the whole thing is a cashgrab.
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I loved the Passion.
I loved Kill Bill.
I'm a Christian who tries to stay focused on my relationship with God, not religious organizations. I disagree with with some of the things Mel Gibson seems to believe, but I find his work has touched me in a deep way. The reaction to a film like this is hard to gauge as a filmmaker and I give him huge credit for just going for it without reservation.
Kill Bill pushed my limits of what I could appreciate in it's hardcore depictions of despicable cruel violence (really the anime scenes were most disturbing in theme) but it has undeniable charm and the mental anguish and core themes are handled in a remarkably genuine way in the midst of giant exaggeration in theme, tone, speech, action and visuals.
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WHO THE FUCK CARES ANYMORE, all you ever did was gloat over how good kill bill was when it was no different than matrix revolutions you biased fuck.
And most of the people smart enough here know your review of the punisher was bullshit.
And QT hosting jimmy Kimmel was a piece of shit.
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Just a warning
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Including, if you pay close attention, why said "war" won't matter nearly as much to the consumer (like yesterday's "My Two Cents" in the digital bits points out, how many of you music lovers and audiophiles have switched over to DVD-Audio and/or Super Audio CD?). Here's the CNN article: http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/04/19/ondeck.dvd.ap/index.html ...To save you time, here's the sentence that matters: "Manufacturers from both groups plan to also build red lasers into their new players, allowing them to read current DVDs." No need for the general public to clamor for either format, unless you already dropped several K on your new HDTV.
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Apr 21, 2004 2:54:06 PM CDT
I still can't figure out why everyone's talking about The Passio
by alchemist
The main thing keeping The Passion from being an actual four star movie, an epic that should be watched by all regardless of faith, is that you need to already know the legend for it to make any sense. If I don't believe Jesus was anything but a man (which I don't) then what is the point of the torture? I've heard some call it a snuff film... Well, without religious belief, that's essentially what it is. Granted, I don't believe in something like The Force, either, but I liked Star Wars because it was really fun. And The Passion is........ Not :(
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That's why I'm waiting for the uber, phatty edition with both volumes so I pay QT and Miramax only once. Same goes to Peter Jackson and Marvel's multiple edition buying the same movie 3 times with material we've always had and didn't feel like giving you bullshit. I'm not bitter.
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stay tuned dudes.... this a just astep before the 2006 f**king fully theatrical extended collector unlimited edition of kill bill...
with never-seen-before-scenes as the making of and the blopers of American Idol with Quentin...
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if you're gonna say QT ripped off all the hk movies and put them into KB then you're gonna have to say that Lucas ripped off Kurosawa and put it in Star Wars, and the him and Spielberg ripped off the republic films for Indy. Is wayne brady gonna have to choke a bitch?
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In fact, I went into KB thinking it would be a cool mindless actoin flick. Well, I got the mindless part right. I haven't seen Pulp Fiction or Resevior Dogs yet. The only movie with QT that I've seen is From Dusk 'til Dawn, which was a half-decent horror flick. Kill Bill had "Gratuitous Ego Project" written all over it. Even at the opening credits, we see "The Fourth movie by Quentin Tarantino", as if he had to remind everyone. "Look! Look! I made another movie! See? See?" I came out of the theater with a bad taste in my mouth. I read a few interviews with QT later that only confirmed my suspicions. I don't want half his talent. I don't want to be an overrated hack, thank you very much. As a director, he's okay, but as a writer, he sucks hairy balls.
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Apr 21, 2004 3:44:06 PM CDT
the whole point of the split was so he wouldn't have to cut shit
by braine
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it's a known FACT . he is probably just laughing it off but every day we should remind him the same way I still remind him of his bullshit review of matrix reloaded where he stated he wanted Vampires and werewolves.
His review of the punisher is RIdICULOUS and shows at what state this website is in, and thankfully the only reason people go on this site is to express their opinions on this talkback against the sheer amount of corruption on this website -
"I haven't seen Pulp Fiction or Resevior Dogs".... "As a director, he's okay, but as a writer, he sucks hairy balls."....... and you know this, how?
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All this argument over originality is silly. Every good film takes and mutates the history of film into it's singular original take on the previous material. If it stands on it's own as entertaining and original because of the directors/writers creativity, then it IS an original. If it fails to do so, it is a retread. Any director who ignores film history is a drooling, cretinous idiot and one would wonder why they got into film making in the first place.
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A) Christianity isn't a sect, B) boolhall didn't say it was either: "and it has nothing to do with christianity (which it didn't represent by the way - just an ultra conservative sect of catholicism which differs greatly from the vast majority of christian teaching)".
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Apr 21, 2004 4:10:14 PM CDT
Of course, maybe Knowles said "The Punisher" is a shitty movie b
by trav mcgee
I only say that because I know that's why I told people it's a shitty movie. So, just be open to THAT possibility. Ain't like HK's the only reviewer to pan that dog.
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My conclusion after a lifetime of moviegoing is that critics tend only to complain about violence when it is truly disturbing and/or realistic. When critics put their foot down on movie violence, it usually falls on landmark film, ("Peeping Tom," "A Clockwork Orange," "Casino," "Irreversible," "The Passion of the Christ") Naturally, critics are more comforable with cartoon violence. This is why they loved the pro-war propoganda of the LOTR trilogy. "LOTR: ROTK" may be the single most violent, pro-war film to emerge since WWII. Thousands of characters are wiped out in mere seconds of battle. But since they're mostly nameless and faceless Orcs, we can stand up and cheer at the carnage. In this respect, LOTR is not that far removed from the musical murderer romp, "Chicago," which managed to be the "feel-good" Best Picture winner of 2002 by reducing horrific acts of homicide into callous, depressive showtunes. Even a critical darling like "Saving Private Ryan" did little to alert its audience to the realities of violence. Take away the fancy shutter speed tricks and what you basically have is a bloody recruitment film. Critics celebrated the verisimilitude of "Saving Private Ryan," but what they were really applauding was their own capacity to stomach carnage and use words like "verisimilitude." "Saving Private Ryan: The Video Game" or (as its known) "Medal of Honor" is avaliable at your local Wal-mart today, and critics seem absolutely fine with all of this. But "The Passion of the Christ" pisses them off to no end. Why? Three reasons: (1) Mel Gibson is a richer-than-God movie star and conservative Republican, (which makes me really sick too.) Critics view an endorsment of "The Passion" as an endorsement for Gibson and his politics. By giving "The Passion" hyperbolically vicious reviews, critics are sending a message that has little to do with the movie itself. (2) The ADL's anti-Semitism claims have made everyone sheepish about expressing even the smallest praise for the film. This same attitude was evident in many of the reviews for Roberto Benigni's "Life Is Beautiful." In fact, the very SAME CRITICS who vociferously denounced "Life Is Beautiful" (David Edelstein, David Denby, and Jonathan Rosenbaum) are now utterly disgusted by "The Passion." This too, it seems, has little to do with the MOVIE and more with (perfectly understandable) post-Holocaust paranoia. The fact that "The Passion" has yet to cause one incident of anti-Semitic violence proves that either a) "The Passion" is not anti-Semitic, or b) Its the most pathetically ineffectual attempt at an anti-Semitic movie ever made. (3) The reason that got us here in the first place.... The movie is brutal and not very fun to watch. Its painfully sincere take on religion and violence couldn't be more out of step with the ebbs and tides of pop culture. We live in a culture that Tarantino is largely responsible for inventing between '92 and '94. "Kill Bill" is a critical success because this is the Age of Irony. Critics (and a good portion of the audiences) are simply more comfortable with cartoonishly gushing blood than with realistic lashes to the skin. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I'm just stating a fact: we're more comfortable with Tarantino's vision of violence. I happen to love Tarantino's films, but they don't represent the last word on movie violence. Other films, ("The Passion" included) have taken the bold step of portraying violence as a very ugly REALITY. And I don't think we should crucify (poor choice of words) filmmakers for making us actually think about what's involved in the murder of a man or woman. I had plenty of complaints about "The Passion," but I respect the movie for taking violence seriously and advocating peace and forgiveness.
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Everyone keeps saying that the violence in the Passion is the most realistic ever commited to film. This is true...if you are deaf, otherwise the ridiculously over-the-top Hollywood-standard sound effects never let you forget that what you are watching is completely fake. This was just as much an example of cheap sensationalism as Kill Bill, with the difference being that Kill Bill didn't pretend to be anything else.
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boohallsmalls I am always surprised at the amount of ignorance people are willing to spout when they can hide behind an anonymous name.
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This was a PRESS conference, right?
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I GOTTA BUY A TICKET TO VOLUME ONE, THEN BUY THE DVD OF VOLUME ONE, THEN BUY A TICKET TO VOLUME TWO, THEN BUY THE DVD OF VOLUME TWO, THEN BUY A TICKET TO THE COMPLETE FILM, THEN BUY THE SPECIAL EDITION OF VOLUME ONE, THEN BUY THE DVD OF THE COMPLETE FILM, THEN BUY THE SPECIAL EDITION DVD OF VOLUME TWO, THEN BUY A TICKET TO THE SPECIAL EDITION RE-RELEASE OF THE COMPLETE FILM, THEN BUY THE SPECIAL EDITION DVD OF THE WHOLE FILM, THEN BUY THE SUPER SPECIAL COLLECTORS EDITION DVD OF THE WHOLE FILM, THEN BUY THE LIMITED EDITION SUPER DUPER COLLECTOR'S VERION OF THE WHOLE FILM ON THE FIVE DISC BOXED SET WITH BOTH SOUNDTRACKS, THE SCRIPT AND A FRAME OF THE FILM????? THANK YOU MR. WEINSTEIN!!!! FOR A MOMENT I THOUGHT I HAD SEEN THE WHOLE FILM!!! BETWEEN THIS, MY POWER BILL, MY CAR PAYMENT, MY CRANK HABIT AND MY BEER FUND, I WILL NEED TO GET A SECOND JOB!!! I LOVE YOU MR. WEINSTEIN!!! WHERE CAN I SEND MY LIFE SAVINGS??? DO I NEED TO BUY THE POSTAGE TO SEND IT TOO???? CAN I PLEASE? OHHH...PRETTY PRETTY PLEASE?????....And thus, I'll be drinking generic now! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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MR. WEINSTEIN SIR....I JUST FOUND A NICKEL IN THE CUSHIONS OF MY COUCH...I AM VERY VERY VERY SORRY I DID NOT GIVE THIS TO YOU EARLIER....PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLIGIES AND I WILL PROMISE TO MAKE UP ALL THE INTEREST PAYMENTS ON THE FIVE CENTS I KEPT FROM YOU SIR...PLEASE SEE IT IN YOUR HEART TO FORGIVE ME...I DID NOT KNOW I WAS SITTING ON IT...PLEASE ALLOW ME TO SEE MORE SUB-PAR MOVIES ON INSTALLMENTS...I PROMISE I WILL NEVER KEEP MY MONEY TO MYSELF AGAIN....And thus, how much are my organs worth? - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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PLEEEEZZZZZZEEEEE MR WEINSTEIN DON'T TAKE AWAY MY MOVIES!!!! I'LL TELL MAMA TO SELL THE HOUSE!!!...I'LL MAKE BABIES AND SELL THEM ON THE BLACK MARKET!!! I AM ALREADY GETTING A PROMISE THAT SOMEONE WILL BUY MY EYES, BUT THEY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL LATER TONIGHT!!!! PLEEEZZEEE LET ME SEE MORE MR WEINSTEIN!!! I'LL GIVE YOU ANYTHING YOU WANT!!! TAKE MY WATCH!!! TAKE MY RIGHT ARM!!!! TAKE MY BLOOD!!! JUST GIVE ME THREE MORE SECONDS OF KILL BILL, OR JUST GIVE ME ANYTHING!!! I'LL TAKE TWO MORE SECONDS OF A GWENETH PALTROW MOVIE OR A MATT DAMON OUTTAKE!!! JUST LET ME SEE MORE!!! LET ME SEE MORE!!!!!!....And thus, take my pants, just take my pants! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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if you are a christian and get some joy from the passion you are very weird. If you are not a christian and enjoy the passion you are a sick fuck.
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You're totally insane. Whether you're a catholic or not. I think the film had merits, but it was definitely not entertainment or a piece of art in the way that Schindler's List is. I honestly can't think of anything to compare it to... it is a film in the strictest sense of the word, but not in any broader sense. It is as if someone were to make a film about... ohhh, I don't know... how you eat your breakfast. Obviously the crucifixion is much less mundane and it does have religious signicifance, but it is a re-created event and there is absolutely nothing beyond that. Whatever else you see is what you take with you. Even the embellishments come off as though they are factual bits of an event, even if they might not be, whereas in most historical films there are certain ways that you can see where the embellishments might be. Oh... and here is a new rule that I wish would go into effect in the Talkbacks - when you're responding to another post and you quickly summarize someone else's post or just cut and paste their opinion, can everyone please stop beginning their rebuttal with - Umm. No. Can you just say something like - this bit of information is wrong because of such and such. I just really hate when people do that... it's such a fucking geek thing to do. You can picture a fat disgusting fucking greasy haired geek sucking down a bag of potato chips and then responding to what you said with - (say in a cringe-inducing nasally, pretentious, all-knowing whine) - Ummm. No. That's all the dialogue I can think of for today.
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There you are, a police officer in a hospital room, with two dead bodies, and a missing comatose woman who had been laying in her coma four years! The -
PotC and Kill Bill are two completely different types of films, they have nothing to do with one another, so why are you talking as if they're in competition other than financially? Watch, I bet you this thread is going to turn into a Matrix debate as well, in enough time. You guys are so predictable sometimes.
It ALSO does not take a genius to realize that Passion of the Christ's title should have been changed to 'the suffering of the Christ.' This movie is nothing more than a movie made for Christians who want to get off on watching Jesus suffer for two hours. This movie SHEDS ABSOLUTELY NO LIGHT ON SPIRITUALITY. It offers nothing in subtext. It should not even be considered as anything relevant in film history. -
You guys act like Miramax is the first company to try to "cash in" by releasing several different versions of a film on DVD. By now, you should know that movie companies want your money...plain and simple. What's the point of whining about it? If you don't want it to continue, don't buy ANY version of the film. Send a message. Or, be informed. Research your purchases before you slap your AMEX card down on the table. Make sure you're getting the version of the film you want (there are ways). Write to people like Rick Sands and tell him you aren't happy with his "money grubbing". Crying like a baby on Ain't It Cool solves NOTHING.
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Christianity is a sect of Judaism which also incorporates aspects of other more ancient beliefs.
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bitch about The Passion and get a hard on for Itchi The KIller. "" FUCK YEAH, ITCHI THE KILLER KICKS ASS, ANIME KICKS ASS, ANY JAPANESE DIRECTOR IS BETTER THAN SCORSESE, RIDLEY SCOTT, TONY SCOTT, SPIELBERG AND FRANCIS FORD COPOLLA, FUCK IT...ANYTHING ASIAN CINEMA IS A MASTERPIECE...Hey mom! before you go to the store, let me have 20 dollars so I can go see Kill Bill again and don't forget my Super Duper Bag o' Cheetos...mmmm it's my favorite...Where was I?...OH YEAH, TARANTINO KICKS ASS, TARANTINO IS GOD AND YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE HE LIKES ANIME AND ASIAN CINEMA, TARANTINO CANNOT FUCK UP BECAUSE HE MADE PULP FICTION, THE MAN IS PERFECT, GIBSON IS A CRAZY RACIST FAG, HE'S HOLLYWOOD MAN! HE'S HOLLYWOOD...HOLLYWOOD SUCKS, HONG KONG WIRE-FU MOVIES ARE THE SHIZNIT, JAPAN SNUFF FILMS ARE THE SHIZNIT and you know why? BECAUSE HOLLYWOOD SUCKS!...THE PASSION IS HORRIBLE, IT HAD A LOT OF GORE MAN! WHY COULD'T THE PASSION BE MORE ARTISTIC LIKE ITCHI THE KILLER, NOW THAT'S ART MAN, HOLLYWOOD SUCKS MAN...SEE WHAT HAPENNED TO JOHN WOO? HIS HONG KONG STUFF IS AWESOME AND HE WENT HOLLYWOOD MAN AND BEFORE I FORGET-FUCK YOU IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE MATRIX TRILOGY MAN, HOW CAN YOU MORONS NOT LIKE THE MATRIX? THAT'S THE CLOSEST THING TO BEING ANIME MAN, ANIME RULES!!! ANIME IS BETTER THAN PORN!!! ANIME IS MY JENNA JAMESON, OH YEAH... FUCK GEORGE LUCAS BECAUSE JACKSON IS KING, I HOPE JACKSON MAKES A LIVE ACTION DRAGONBALL Z or SAILOR MOON...THAT WUOLD BE THE SHIZNIT"" can you motherfuckers get a life, two face sheep monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Splash On Your Faces BEEEEATCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Spot on joee60 , dumbrendal is just to dumb to think it through, what a friggin laugh i had reading the complete shit he's talking. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAAAA HHAA HHAAA HAAAHHHA HAHHHHHHH. Sorry.... couldn't contain HAAHAHAHAH HHAAA HAHAHAHHH HAHAHAHA hAAAA myself...... dumbrendal you are one funny MOFO pleezzzz say some more funny shit pleezzzzzz. Hey chickenshit george XXXIIIIIVVIIIIXXXXI i take it Mr Miramax is forcing you to part with your hard earned cash is he..... you don't have a choice IF U DON'T WANT IT DON'T BUY IT...... why don't you say the same about Coke with all the same drink different flavours coming out. It's marketing a product you funny MOFO clown BUT and here's the thing you don't actually have to buy it if you don't want to HAHHHAHAHHA HAHHAHAHA HAHAHAH AHHAHHHHA HHHA HA HHAHAHHHA HHAAAA .... shit i going to have to stop laughing so much.
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Before you get too deep into your history books, you might want to check your dictionary. By defintion a sect is: "A group of people forming a distinct unit within a larger group by virtue of certain refinements or distinctions of belief or practice.", which is true of lutherans, protestants, baptists, etc., but not of Christianity, as it is an entirely different religion that happens to share a common history with Judaism, but no longer falls under the umbrella of Judaism. Orthodox but still Jewish. Lutheran but still Christian. Christian, not still Jewish. You now know what a sect is. Feel free to use it properly. And in ANY CASE boohall, to whom i was replying DID NOT claim Christianity was a sect of anything, and therefore I didn't "miss his point" as you claimed, it is you who missed the point.
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How can you complain about QT spliting the film in two, of course its going to make more money, thats what films are for. No film gets made (and more importantly distributed) unless the studios think it will make money, thats the rule of Hollywood and most film makers understand this and use it to their advantage (making films which bend genres). The fact that you have to pay to see two different films is a pathetic argument, as a film fan I rejoice at the fact that my entertainment is pretty much doubled and after seeing the first one I can now look forward to another. Quentin Tarantino changed the face of film forever with Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, since then neither dialouge, structure or soundtracks (to name some of the most obvious elements) have been the same. And for the last ten years filmmakers have been trying to recreate that 'Tarantinoesque' feeling but failed. Now he comes along and manages to recreate it and in the face of the hundreds of movies which have copied his style, he has managed to make it feel fresh. With Kill Bill Tarantino has clearly done what Lucas and Speilberg did with Indiana Jones, fused elements of a genre into something more. He has created what is possibly the greatest homage film of our times. Instead of complaining about having to pay to see Bill part 2 why dont you all complain about having to pay to see crap like Scooby Doo or Gothika (shudder). Quentin fuckin RULES he is a true film fan and a true breath of fresh air in Hollywood.
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How great now that israeli stooges come to aicn and tell us about how great it is to murder palestinians and take their land and how evil anyone is who opposes the genocide of a whole race. katherine 21 it is you who is a racist, it is you
who is anti-human you sharon-zionist apologist.
If you came to my house and did that shit i would want to cut your head off. One more thing, turkey occupied greece for 410 years, for 410 years we waited until our time came and we cut the sultans families heads off. The palestinians will do the same, that is why you will have to kill them all, what a great person you are. your failure to be informed does not make me a whacko -
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no. you don't.
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Sorry, I'm confused. I thought this was the Kill Bill talk back and half the people here are talking about The Last Temptation or whatever it's called. When are they going to edit the music back in and go back to calling it Jesus Christ, Superstar?
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I am not sure which is funnier: Anything written by Chicken George or the fact that other talkbackers respond to Chicken George in a serious manner. I guess they do not understand sarcasm. George, you may want to put some "sarcasm warnings" on your post in big letters.
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Apr 21, 2004 10:46:21 PM CDT
Anyone who thinks that the House Of Blue Leaves segment is "ruin
by osmosis jones
Hey, I'd love to see it in color too (and there eventually *will* be an unrated cut DVD available in region one, so you are all wasting your money buying the Japanese version), but the sheer visual kinetics are not affected one iota by the B&W photography. In fact, it actually calls *more* attention to the incredibly fluid fight choreography and crisp editing.
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You bad mofos! That shit was funny and dead on target! I think you made me stain my new boxers...I Raise The Bottle For You And Give You One For The Road! CHEERS George n Roach! :-)
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Hey Zeus...I like him very much but he know help curve ball.
"Your saying Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball." "Christ Harris let's not make this into a holy war.
Moby Dick
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I mean who is dumb enough to BUY kill bill on DVD?? 2 million assholes,
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Apr 22, 2004 12:27:22 AM CDT
Why restore the color version of the House of Blue Leaves scene?
by dan_average
After all, QT INSISTED when the movie came out that the use of black and white for the House of Blue Leaves had nothing to do with the MPAA (which Tarantino relentlessly defends, even going so far as to attack other filmmakers who dare to criticize it publicly) and everything to do with the different "viewing attitudes" of the American public. Could it be that QT is in fact a huge lying Hollywood cocksucker sellout? Magic 8-Ball says "ALL SIGNS POINT TO YES."
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Apr 22, 2004 12:30:41 AM CDT
SeeThroughThis, you're more of a pompous asshole than you accuse
by durendal
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Apr 22, 2004 12:32:44 AM CDT
SeeThroughThis, you're more of a pompous asshole than you accuse
by durendal
Yeah, you know all about my grades and my physical stature. I didn't say I could write a better script. I doubt I could. I doubt anyone on this talkback could. That's beside the point, isn't it? I said that From Dusk til Dawn was half-decent. I think there's a helluva lot more leeway in making a horror flick than making an "artsy" action flick. Don't put words into my mouth and don't assume you know anything about me, you cancerous rectal polyp.
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50 gigs of data on a Blu-Ray disk. Incredible! But would the studios really use it? I've bought 2-disk DVD "special editions" that could have easily fit on 1 disk. Even the Sony Superbit versions only use about 2/3 the capacity of a regular DVD. And they definitely inflate the number of disks in these box sets of TV shows, just to justify a big pricetag. I'm sure the extra capacity is needed for HDTV, but there aren't all that many movies or TV shows I would actually WANT to see in HiDef.
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and you haven't seen Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs. We don't NEED to assume ANYTHING about you. That says it all we need to know and then some. Your opinion isn't worth the anemic brain cells it's printed on.
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I am rather bemused by the fact that you seem to intrinsically equate opposition to the Sharon government, and the proliferation of illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied territories, with anti-semitism. Feeling that the Palestinian people have suffered injustice in the last 50 years is in no way an admission of hatred for Jews, nor is having little time for the current Israeli admininistration. And don't give me the ol' you're on the side of the terrorists crap - I think the Palestinian Authority and Hamas have done more to damage the Palestinian cause than anyone - as long as the bombs keep going off the eye-for-an-eye will continue on both sides. The fact is, this is precisely the sort of thing you're always spouting off at 'liberals' about - invalidating people's views by responding to them with invective. Disliking Sharon and his policies doesn't make me or any other liberal an anti-semite, in the same way that the fact that I'm an Australian who didn't vote for John Howard doesn't make me anti-Methodist. By your rational, it stands to reason that all Israeli Labor Party supporters must be self-hating Jews, when the fact is there is as much a plurality of opinion among Jews as there is among any other group of people. And I'm sure the American Jewish community can do without your condescending, paternalistic voting advice - I know they're not all that bright as a group (note pointed sarcasm), but I'm sure they can figure which way they want to cast their vote, misguided though they might be. As to your attempt to tar John Kerry with the Mahatir association - that's so grasping and pathetic I'm not going to bother to respond.
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Apr 22, 2004 6:19:05 AM CDT
My broken english is not that good...but here is the best transl
by chickengeorgevii
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By that WPMayhew chap, Nicole21 and of course, our lovely George. Commenting on any of the threads of conversation here would be an exercise in futility because people are so entrenched in their arguments but there are some major league retards spouting off an irrevocable amount of shit here. It's painful to even read some of their uneducated nonsense. And lastly, why in the name of all that is holy are Kill Bill and PotC being compared? They aren't even comparable in the realms of movie violence because of the obvious comicbook vs realism genre differences that negate the whole ability to draw a comparison!!! There have been altogether far too many political agendas involved in PotC.
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not sure why you'd think i don't know what a sect is.. it's a pretty common word. sure Christianity is a huge religion - that doesn't mean it didn't start as a breakaway group. you're right though, i did misread boolhalls post so on that score i apologise. i don;t even really want to get into an argument with you about it. my only position on this is that PotC is a god awful film that has brought out the worst in the right-wing christians of America. Gibson is a nasty piece of work.
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anyone who defends Gibson's film should be aware that his father (who Gibson looks up to) was an anti-semite. AND he hates the British too don't you know. He's got issues and it saddens me that he's whipped up other people onboard his frenzied views.
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Apr 22, 2004 9:45:30 AM CDT
The problem with breaking up KILL BILL into 2 parts is a simple
by emmettotter
If you remove the 5 minutes of exposition at the end of Vol 1, and the 5 minutes of exposition opening Vol 2, and remove the 15 minutes we spent watching the credits FIVE FRIGGIN TIMES (the opening and closing of Vol 1, the opening of Vol 2, the individual picture/credits of the main characters at the end of Vol 2, and then again the complete credit roll after that), you get a movie that ought to run somewhere under three hours. Yet they decided to split it into two. And it sets an uncomfortable precedence. I mean, by the logic of this break-up, a movie like TITANIC would be broken up into two complete and separate halves. Vol 1 would be setting up characters and plot and such, and it would end right at the very moment the ship hits the iceberg. Vol 2 (which one can argue has a completely different tone than the first half of the movie) would be the all out action/disaster movie. Using the KB marketing-logic (which you all seem to gladly accept) a movie like LOTR'S the RETURN OF THE KING could be shown in 2 volumes rather than one since it's all one story but, like, really long. We
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First off, DURENDAL, we're all very proud you broke away from the mainstream and hated Kill Bill *clap clap clap.* Now shut up because you have no basis for talking because you said Dusk Till Dawn was half way decent. Anyway, by criticizing Taratino's writing, you obviously can't handle anything but simple realism. If it wouldn't happen in real life, it must be bad. Boo hoo. It's a fucking MOVIE. It's NOT real life. It's a representation of an event that COULD happen in real life, but WONT. ALL of it. From action to dialogue. So enjoy it or don't, but don't act like you've got some fucking higher level of opinion.
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Holy Crap, you're right, Passion of the Christ was just a terrible piece of smoke and mirrors. BUT--and I mean BUT--unfortunately we can't criticize Gibson for his FATHER being anti-semetic. Find out something about MEL, and call him on that, but his dad didn't make the movie. It's like criticizing Bush for his drunken daughters. Sure, I'd like to criticize him for everything I can, but you've got to be rational, otherwise you sound like an idiot searching desperately for something wrong.
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i should have been clearer, but Gibson shares the same views as his father.
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Nicole, being 'anti-Israel' does not make you antisemitic. I know for a fact that most of the liberals you're talking about - the rational ones, at least - are not even anti-Israel. We simply believe that both sides must be treated equally for any kind of resolution to occur. Unfortunately, that means that we must sometimes argue much more on Palestine's behalf...but this is because the argument itself is already weighted so heavily to the Israeli side. The media here reports in tremendous detail every suicide bombing that kills Israeli civilians - and it should, these are deplorable things and they're horribly detremental to the cause of anyone who expects to be taken seriously. But we rarely hear a thing about the children the Israelis shoot down for throwing rocks, or the astonishing number of innocent Palestinians they've killed over the course of this 'war.' It is this sense of being treated unfairly that makes the Palestinians, and more or less the entire Muslim world (which is larger than the Christian one, mind you) hate us. We, as a country, have very clearly taken one side in the matter (and let's not forget that Israel could run roughshod over Palestine militarily if it so desired. Physically, at least) and that is NOT the way to make it better. I will, Nicole, admit the fact that my secularism prevents me from agreeing with either side in the matter - fighting over land based on a believed religious claim over it, in this day and age, is mind-boggling to me. I very legitimately feel exactly the same toward the Israelis as I do toward the Palestinians. All I want is a REAL resolution between the two, one that everybody will be happy with and not simply satisfied-yet-bitter about. And it doesn't seem as though that will happen any time soon, because, and you've got to admit this, neither side is being close to reasonable on the matter. But when/if it does happen, the entire world will be much, much safer. Especially for Americans. Oh, and as far as the antisemitism goes, I don't even really see Jews and Muslims as the combatants; just equally zealous and misguided religious groups with fatally differing opinions.
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Seriously man, you're beating a dead horse. I doubt film makers are going to be screaming to get their films split in 2. With Kill Bill there is a finality to Vol 1. Its ending I would argue is better than Fellowship's is, where the ending is Frodo and Sam going over a hill!!! Do you really think the Scorsese's and Coppola's of the world are going to clamour to get films like Casino and Apocalypse Now cut in half? Come on man! Get your head out of your ass. And its not like you personally got ripped off, both Volumes by themselves were longer than most action films. And your math seems to exaggerate how much you could cut the film down to under 3 hours. The total running time for both volumes is 4 hours and 7 minutes. Even with you supposed trims you'd still have a film about the lengths of the TEN COMMANDMENTS! But instead of the Exodus, you'd have the longest Martial Arts/Spaghetti Western/Samurai/Yakuza/Anime/Revenge film in the history of cinema. Seriously man whose got time to see that more than once or twice. A 10:30pm show wouldn't get out til 2:30 in the morning! Whose got time to put the moves on your girlfriend when you just sat thru a 4 hour movie. Some of us have to work in the morning. After ROTK I thought I had been permanently attatched to my seat. Seeing Apocalypse Now Redux in the theatre was an overwhelming experience, but I don't think I could see it more than once. I saw Vol. 1 3 times and I plan on seeing Vol 2 an additional 3 times. And there is an emotional payoff that we did have to wait for, but any great series you have to do that. And there was a difference in the Volumes that was brought about by the split. The shift in tone is very dramatic. The Lady Snowblood/ Lone Wolf and Cub feel of Volume 1 was very refreshing for someone who loves chambara as a genre. But the Shaw Bros./Once Upon a Time in the West vibe of Vol 2 brought out a much more resonant experience. Also there was the anticipation of Bill's entrance that we had to wait for, which is arguably the best entrance since Harry Lime. And Kiddo's last assault i think was heightened by the fact that I knew BB was there. I simply had no idea what was going to happen. Quentin would have had to cut so many sequences to shave Kill Bill to 3 hours (Michael Park's pimp, The Anime sequence, probably portions of Pai Mei and Hattori Hanzo) that the film wouldn't even be the same animal. Have you ever seen the Original Cleopatra. After adjustment, its the most expensive film in cinema history. Originally it was 6 hours long. Its director wanted to put the film out in 2 installments. The first half would have been the Caesar/Cleo romance and the second would have been the downfall of Cleopatra and Antony. But the problem was that Richard Burton was Antony and his public affair with Elizabeth Taylor had people clamouring to see them on screen. So the studio cut it to three hours to get Richard/Liz on screen while the buzz about them was hot and everyone was happy. Everyone except audiences that wanted to see a good movie. More than likely Joseph L. Mankiewicz had directed a six hour masterpiece, but instead audiences were give a hollow shell of what the film could have been just so impatient audiences wouldn't have to wait six months for a second installments. In fact all of the original six hour prints are gone. All that's left is the four hour version you can get on dvd. And its not bad but the point is, is that possibly one of the best productions of all time was compromised because poeple couldn't wait. Do you know what sequence I wanted cut from Kill Bill, none of them. Its all a wonderful ride. Pai Mei and Hanzo are just as important as the House of Blue Leaves. The Superman discussion is just as wonderful to me as the "eye". There's a moment at the end of Lone Wolf and Cub 6:White Heaven and Hell, where Ogami Itto, for the first time in the entire series, shows weakness. He's just gone this ridiculously over the top battle (And let me tell you, it makes the House of Blue Leaves look easy in comparison), but in the aftermath of the battle he thinks he's lost Diagoro, his son. The moment is both heartbreaking and uplifting as he finally finds Diagoro just standing there. He lifts up his son and they go off to meet their destiny together. And that moment is from the biggest exploitation franchise is the history of Japanese cinema!!! Its a beautiful moment that really only happens once in six films. QT gets to have the same vibe at the end of Kill Bill. All the eccentric performances and awesome battle sequences and at we get a mother who rides off with her child, which is absolutely beautiful. The split was part of how great is was for me though. For six months I've been anticipating it and six months later I was gratified. You should be too.
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And I'm not saying I didn't like the movie. I DO think KB2 is a good movie but I personally found the wait between volumes frustrating, which may be the root of these screeds of mine. Speaking of which, while you can argue not much should be edited out of VOL ONE (I feel Chiba should be left in but the O-Re anime sequence is unneeded), VOL TWO has got more than a few things that would've made it work better in my book as a whole
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Thanks for the brief history of Mel Gibson's charitable giving. BUT spare us the old rightwing claptrap that antisemitism is really a hatred of capitalism. And the Republicans are the last true defender of our cherished Freedoms and a free market society. Now let
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You've got ti give it that Snoop Dog Flavor.
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I can appreciate your opinion in the fact that I was getting more and more impatient as the initial 6 weeks we were going to have to wait became six months. But also it allowed me to look forward to the coming film and also along the way allowed me look at other films to fill that Kill Bill Void I had (mostly I was really excited about Hellboy & Dawn of the Dead before its release). But now that its come I'm glad Kill Bill feels kinda...well bloated. I like the eccentricities of the Michael Parks performance. That character is a window into Bill's past and his own character. Kill Bill Vol. 1 makes you want to hate Bill and makes you want to take him down. Vol. 2 shocks us by making us LIKE Bill. It does that through ridiculous amounts of dialougue and character exposistion. As far as O-ren I missed her alot in Volume 2. What the anime sequence is give you a character that has to go because she has done this terrible thing, but her character is so fleshed out that she's almost the portaganist of the story. I think O-ren is a fantastic character and not just a cookie-cutter villain. There are plenty of those in other films (any Bruckheimer villain, most Bond Villains) and even in the Kill Bill films themselves (Buck, Johnnie Mo, Go-Go "even though she's so fucking cool" Yubari, hell even Elle isn't as fleshed as Budd) . Having a film have well-rounded villains is a rarity indeed. With Madsen's Budd you've got an actor that has been living under the shadow of his own best villain, Mr. Blonde. You think about it, every time you've seen him since Reservoir Dogs, what was the first thing you think, "Hey, there's Mr. Blonde!" i know I do it. This was the first time I've seen madseon on screen where Blonde wasn't the first thing on my mind. Here's a character that's pitiful even in his own mind. A character that hates himself and hates what he's become or even more specific, what Bill has made him become. And its hard for him because he still loves his brother. The titty bar sequence just shows how a hardboiled killer will put up with anything now to make his own sins go away, except lay there and die when Uma comes for him. While I don't think Budd is as cool as O-ren, its so cool to see Madsen doing something where I don't hear "Are you gonna Bark all day, little doggie? Or are you gonna bite?" after everything he says. He just looks so humble instead of sadistic. At any rate I loved every scene, Bill's intro, The Superman speech, Elle's nurse, Kaboom Cereal, The tears and blood on young O-ren's face, and especially "We have unfinished Business!" All wonderful and if I had to endure six months to get it all in, it was worth it.
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...is that they contain the two best scenes from a movie I've seen in years. The animated O-ren turning her head slowly to the gunmen after she's killed her mom's murderer -- that look of deadly satisfaction and regret on that young blood-soaked face was incredible. And for PotC, it was Mel's own hands driving the nails into Christ -- absolutely perfect, gutsy, and oh so personal. (I just wish Gibson hadn't included so many Hollywoody scenes, like pretty much everything involving Satan -- a little subtlety re: Satan would have worked much better for me.)
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http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2534358
oh, and the only reason a lot of us still come to this site is for the talk backs. we know everyone is going to bitch and moan, but try and make it really evil or really funny (they usually go together). thats what we want. otherwise, no one cares about your opinion. and yes, i know that includes mine. the above link is funny at least.
obligatory harry insult: is that a come- filled condom coming out your ass? i am not even a harry hater but damn, "the sight of that animation shall haunt my dreams forever." -
that was falling asleep during KB2? Sorry if I don't annoint QT's latest the greatest movie of all time. Jackie Brown still is his finest work.
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Apr 22, 2004 9:23:51 PM CDT
Why is Harry still running banners for that Suckfest JOHNSON FAM
by stonemonkey
Only good thing about this film is Beyonce's little sister, Vanessa Williams' wasted effort, and should-be-Wonder Woman Shannon Elizabeth. The Texas Chainsaw ads are getting old too. Any new banners from good films?
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Apr 22, 2004 9:26:50 PM CDT
Tarantino is really raping fans of this film by releasing 2 alte
by stonemonkey
Region 2 version has full color final battle in House of Blue Leaves and more, yet we get the truncated black-n-white final fight? Methinks we've been raped.
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an I noticed no sign of julia louise dreyfus in part 2
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I'm convinced anyone who has orgasms over this puerile idiocy is a retardation to society. It's like the Rocky Horror Picture show gets a racist campy update and then fills it out with 2 extra hrs of some wino has-been fake martial actor blathering pointlessly about comic books. No wonder some of these guys in their basement type "writers" think they've found god. Sooooo hip! Go to sleep and get some listerine.
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. . . because Americans appear to be the only people in the world interested in seeing it. It's done $187 mill overseas, $549 total, which (after adjusting for inflation) puts it $50 million in back of Mission Impossible 2. It's very unlikely to make the all-time top 20 worlwide, VCR era, adjusted for inflation. Whereas ROTK is 3rd after Titanic and Jurassic Park.________That's it's a huge box-office hit is only half-true and says more about how religiously obsessed this country is than the movie.
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Let's all shut the fuck up about "The Passion"- this is a Kill Bill forum and you tired ass Christians have to swarm all over everything like a pack of wolves- clowns who will tell you the "accuracy" of TPOTC as if they lived during the times- clowns who think they know the face of GOD and that everyone else has it wrong. Fuck you- most of you haven't even read the bible, haven't ever practiced the Church's values and completely missed the whole symbolic significance that Jesus was- namely sacrifice- You people can't even sacrifice shutting the fuck up for one second- get off your high horses already and see that they're only made of wood and paint... As for Kill Bill- it flat out rocks- both parts- and it works better than one whole movie- there is no way you can fuse those halves fluidly. While I am wildly respectful of QT's talent- he lucked out with the split in terms of product quality- and both movies on their own are better than 90% of the flaming shit that's out there- and all this bitching about the dvds- just fucking buy the one you want for once instead of gobbling up each one and then bitching about it- maybe consumer decisions like that will KEEP companys from dropping a gazillion editions in the future... You limp dick cock suckers!!!
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Apr 23, 2004 2:26:37 PM CDT
FEAR NOT! EIGHTY MORE DVD VERSION OF KILL BILL ON THE HORIZON...
by seashellz
you saw the movie, now buy the poster, the soundtrack, the comic, the novel in hard back and paper. The KB photobook, the how-they-made--it book. The Trading cards, the CDROM game, the laserdisc, the Blu-Ray set, the DVHS set, The theater program.
The single DVD, the SE-DVD, the Japanese DVD, the fused KB superdisc set.
But thats not all!
hold on for the QT im-at-the-end-of-my-career 5-disc KB retrospective sets #1 and #2-to be released one year apart!
Set #1 will be the familiar cut of the film! Set #2 will be a super specail "out-take" edition made up soley of trims, cut material, bloopers, and test print stuff...all-in-all, we dont even know exactly yet how this version will come out until we paste it together!
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Will you marry me? Please!
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Well, I don't quite get the Mel Gibson's The Passion debate going on in this talkback, I went through most of the comments and couldn't figure out where it started, since this seems out of sequence. Perhaps stirring up a little more pr through controversy, hmmmm?
Anyhoo, KBvol2 just works. It works on so many levels, the writing, the acting, the hommage to things I love about movies. It works without KB vol.1. I found myself smiling through the whole thing. Seeing KB vol.1 Just let's you nod ANDsmile with the "now I know why QT did that..." But you don't need to know why to enjoy it. Has anyone made a comment about the black and yellow color theme yet?
I loved the black and white in the US KB vol1. I am pretty sensitive to color. I am pretty sick of what movie makers are doing with color because they can get in with digital techniques and mess with it...lots of times it seems like they do it because they can and those who have a reason do not understand color theory or digital color enough to (IMO) do it successfully. The black and white sequence came at a time when I was feeling color & violence overload. The black and white just helped me take more of that scene in and pay attention. It was well done with great contrasts and grays.
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anata wa dare desu ka?
Just want to know.
Honto ni...
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Just watched Kill Bill vol. 1 and thought it was utter self indulgent incoherent rubbish. Quentin Tarantino is a dick.
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I know so many people loved Kill Bill 2, but not me. Maybe I would like the fused version. You know, revenge is a dish best served.. without the side order of suck. *** SPOILERS *** My friend actually thought the ending was a JOKE and he was waiting for Bill to get up and start the REAL ending. And the martial arts training sequence was so f**king lame. I'm so sure I couldn't think of carrying water up a mountain and punching a wooden barrier-- damn, the training sequences in "Farewell my Concubine" were better!! This was a sad, sad day for the almighty duck-press.
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Quentin has allready stated that he has plans for a vol 3 to be made in about 10 years. He's working with Uma and other cast members to film some footage for it now that can be used later assumably for flashback scenes.
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I totally agree with you the sooner we clear more Lebensraum (living space) in the Middle East for God
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Yeah, actually I do that, too. I don't necessarily love QTs movies, but my admiration goes too deep for me not to watch. Besides a minority opinion is the last, best refuge for the individual. hehe
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