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WONDERFALLS Cancelled! Wah!
Well, turns out that rumor about “Wondefalls” moving permanently to Thursdays was complete horseshit, to say the least.
Here’s series overseer Tim Minear with the hilarious news:
Well, not sure what to tell ya'll -- but we're cancelled. Effective at once. The cow creamer will be silent this Thursday and forever forward. Once we recover from the not-shock, Todd, Bryan and I will see if there's some venue in which to air the remaining episodes. As I have said from the start, the thirteen taken as a whole tell a story and go to a place, so a run of this "limited" series would not be unsatisfying elsewhere. It's a question as to whether the studio will want to invest in a DVD release of a failed series. Maybe the episodes will sit in a warehouse someplace with that sled and the arc of the covenant.
Thanks for all the support and enthusiasm.
TimAnd “Tru Calling"? Still on the air!
Man, hopefully you'll all get to see what you missed one day! If Fox had just slotted "Wondefalls" after "American Idol" it'd probably have its second season locked up by now.
Okay, you can all stop watching "Wonderfalls" now!! Herc says it’s the season’s best new show!! So of course it stopped airing after four episodes!!
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yeah!
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You've ruined my fucking weekend! Thanks alot!
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Now we can stop hearing about this.
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We all knew it was going to happen, first because it was on Fox and second because fanboys started liking it.
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Ha Ha you crippled fuck!
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When I first saw the pilot back in August, I knew it was too good for any network to keep on the air for more than 2 months. Personally, I always saw it as a fun 13 'sode per season series that would play well on Showtime. When Fox picked it up, in the back of my mind, I knew it was doomed. BASTARDS!!!!!
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Last Thursday was brilliant. But all the friends I had told about it when it first aired finally tuned in on Friday.
How can anything gain a foothold when no one can find it?
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Apr 03, 2004 11:30:42 PM CST
It's not a complete surprise, but still...GOD DAMN!!!
by smurfeus maximus
This pisses me off. This is one of the best-written shows I've seen in a long time, and to add insult to injury, I MISSED THE THURSDAY EPISODE BECAUSE FOX NEVER MENTIONED THE MOVE!!! But as I said, the cancellation doesn't come as a complete surprise. I mean, to start with, Fox puts in the Time Slot of Doom (Fridays at 9?!?) and then flirts with the idea of having this show compete with the best-rated non-reality show on television by moving it to Thursday night at 9. I'm sure the cancellation is a relief to the Programming people at Fox. Now they can put on more reality shows. Yeaaa...(heavy sigh).
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...and any of the dozens of "fans" that will mourn the loss of the show. Herc's gonna lead a candlelit vigil outside the FOX lot to petition Wonderwalls return to USA Netowrk, so look for those details in the coming days...
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I was in love with this show! I think the ratings system is total bullshit. Up yours FOX, up yours hard. It really disturbs me when shows like the OC thrive, and shows like Wonderfalls don't.
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When will we learn? Fox are crashing and burning. 24 is about the only decent thing they have, and if they had their way, it would be a reality show too.
Genre television programming is dying. If they cancelled Alias I'd not be shocked. I'm surprised there's any decent tv shows still being created and written. Just wait and see. Unless there's a reality tv backlash, we're going to lose everything.
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I know Alias is on ABC, I was just using it as an example of a good show that is probably also doomed.
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First Undeclared, now this - another solid show down the tubes before it even had a chance to hit its stride. Lord knows that Arrested Development is next.
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I knew Fox would do this so I intentionally avoided this show. Not that that was very hard to do on a Friday night. Fox often gets great shows but then has no clue how to get people to watch them. It sticks them in crappy timeslots and then steadfastly refuses to let people know about them. It's called marketing, you Fox dumbasses. I'm not a marketing major myself, but I think it involves creating advertisments for various forms of media and then buying ad space. I know it's a radical concept, but it seems to work. Shit, the other day I got a free DVD episode of "King of Queens" with my cereal. Thanks, Sony. Now there's a company that knows how to market a show.
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Apr 03, 2004 11:53:35 PM CST
Wonderfalls was the most Entertaining Show I have seen in a long
by mentallymariah
DAMN!! I hate when you start to invest in a show and they cancel it, Wonderfalls was great!!! I will always cherish the first episode!
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The show was really really clever and mark my words, the lead actress will be a movie star very very soon. Even if the show sucked I would keep watching just to stare at her.
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I've been there, i'm still there. WHY ABC??!! WHY??! KAREN SISCO WAS A GOOD SHOW!!
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I knew the second I heard they had placed the series in the same time slot as CSI its days were numbered. And what a shame, too. Caroline Dhavernas is foxy and the show superb.
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Let's see.....it's on Fox...it's a March post-sweeps premiere....it's starring no one you have ever heard of...it is a story structure that goes beyond what we see on common television...it's got the support of a few internet sites...it is running ads during "Forever Eden"....it's running on Wednesd...I mean Thursd...I mean Frid...I mean thursd....I mean 9p...uh....8pm...on Wednesd...uh..Thursday....at 9pm? was it?.....WOOO DOGGIE!!!! THIS IS MY KIND OF SHOW!!!!! IT'S GOT AS MUCH PROMISE AS "THE PITTS"....YEAHHHHH....NOW THAT WAS A SHOW!!!! I CAUGHT THAT EVERY THURSD...UH...WEDNESD...SATURDAY AT 7 OR 8PM...OR 6PM ON TUESD...UH....THURSDAY!!!!!! FOX IS A GREAT NETWORK!!! BECAUSE THEY ARE ORGANIZED!!! AND THEY HAVE WONDERFUL SHOWS LIKE "MALCOM IN THE MIDDLE" AND "OLIVER BEENE" WHICH ARE NOTHING AT ALL LIKE EACH OTHER!!!! AND DON'T FORGET TO TUNE INTO FOX NEWS YOU FUCKING HIPPIES..AND LET THE AUSTRAILIANS TELL YOU HOW BE BE THE BEST PATRIOTIC AMERICAN YOU CAN BE!!!!! OHHHH SAY CAN YOU SEE...BY THE STARS EARLY LIGHT...WHAT SO PROUDLY WE HAIL...BY THE TWILIGHTS LAST GLEAMING!!!!...WHOSE BRIGHT STRIPES AND BRIGHT STAR?...SING IT YOU GODLESS LIBERALS!!!!! SING IT NOW!!!!!! SING OR WE WILL COME TO YOUR HOME AND TALK ENDLESSLY ON HOW YOU SHOULD SHUT UP!!!!!! NOW SING!!!!!...And thus, when will we see "Who wants to marry another midget"? - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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Herc, please declare Tru Calling as the greatest show on TV.
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...is that in their haste to cancel good shows (due to their own incompetence) they are generating a feeling of hostility toward their company in the viewing public. It seems that Fox' doesn't care about the small number of viewers each of these canceled gems had, but when you combine the viewers of shows like The Street, Undeclared, Family Guy, Firefly, Wonderfalls, and I'm sure many others and you've got a lot of people with a bad opinion of the network. People like myself who refuse to watch any shows on Fox for fear they'll be canceled just as they are getting good. But what do they care? They've got American Idol. Bastards.
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I wish I was shocked and appalled at this, but I'm not. I hate all the crap that manages to stay on the air year after year, while anything clever or original gets cut early on so more crappy reality TV shows can clog up the networks. Crap, soon enough I won't need satellite Tv anymore, I'll just watch DVD's of all the cancelled stuff.
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Apr 04, 2004 12:21:57 AM CST
Wonderfalls deserved its timely death like my molester uncle.
by quantum_ken
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hate to say it....no im not...its gone..its outta here...and its Wonderfull...If angel is not staying around....then for sure, that piece of garbage had to go.
yes its vicious tonight...just like my spelling...My condolences herc...I know how much the show ment to ya....maybe they will continue the show on DVD...
PEACE :)
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Wonderfalls, Adventures of Brisco County, Jr., The Lone Gunmen, Firefly, Undeclared, Andy Richter Controls the Universe, Futurama, Family Guy, Space: Above and Beyond, Keen Eddie, The Ben Stiller Show, The Tick, Greg the Bunny, John Doe, Profit... and many more that were either great and/or original (or at least had potential.)
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I guess what strikes me as odd is that a network would spend the time and money to develop a show -- which has to be an expensive proposition -- and would then cancel it so quickly. Seems that it would make more sense economically to at least make an effort to salvage the show. And also, what does it say about the executives who approved putting such a short-lived show on in the first place? Isn't this like publicly admitting that they were total assholes to begin with -- that they have no sense of confidence in their own judgement? Some of the most successful shows of all time took a season or more to find their viewership. It's just odd behavior.
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So I consider it to have been a triumph. I liked the show quite a bit and couldn't wait for the season's story arc to kick in. Maybe someone else'll show the remaining episodes... it's more likely than a prompt DVD release, anyway.... unless someone starts offering bootlegs of the unaired episodes... that would hurry them up. *** One quickly-cancelled Fox series no one ever mentions anymore is Action with Jay Mohr, Ileana Douglas, and the late Buddy Hackett. Eight episodes were shown before its December, 1999, cancellation but FX (and Bravo! in Canada) aired the complete series (including the five previously unaired episodes) a year or two later, restoring all the bleeped-on-Fox swear words while they were at it. Now, Sony Pictures (its production company) wants to know whether there's any market for a DVD release of the series... so if you think there is, vote for the show here: http://www.sonypictures.com/cthe/tv/tvondvdpoll/
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Tell me you people aren't going to be whining about this show incessantly like you did with Firefly. I tried Wonderfalls. It was lame. LAME I tell you. It tried too hard for my tastes. It wanted to be some big pile of quirk and really just became annoying. I guarantee you if it had hit big time it would've become Ally McBeal-like within three years. Bizarre little plotlines and oddities that were pointless.
I'm just glad a decent show like Arrested Development continues to make its way through the season. Hopefully it gets lined up for next year as well. Beyond the stunt casting that show has excellent potential. And some nice low key laughs amidst all the goofiness. And any show that forgoes a laugh track gets my respect.
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The Fox network clearly has nothing but contempt for its viewers. Lets stop putting any money in their pockets. They need to be boycotted (yeah, I know it's tough, but that includes the Simpsons and the upcoming Family Guy). Encourage production companies to avoid Fox. They do not give deserving shows a chance anymore, and once a show stops production, it is difficult to start over on another network. We need to make sure NO good series get started on Fox. They will just bury it in three weeks.
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Apr 04, 2004 1:17:29 AM CST
Figures. At least now I can focus on Kingdom Hospital. Until tha
by truthseekr1488
Sucks that a schmaltzfest like "Joan of Arcadia" (to which WF has been compared) gets renewed while the better Schizo-Chick-Saves-the-Day series gets the axe. Maybe HBO will take it on?
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In the past 16 months, everything I watch has been cancelled other than the Daily Show. I guess I'm keeping Netflix now.
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Goddammit. I knew Fox would fuck this show. With Angel gone and Wonderfalls not even given half a chance, television is now officially a boiling pile of SHIT. Fuck Fox, Fuck WB.
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I liked the show a lot, as did my wife. Jesus Fox, give a show a chance. Hopefully it might find refuge on cable. That's about the only good place for dramatic TV anymore. It's no accident that ABC is buying 'sodes of Monk to fill out their prime time schedule. If this trend continues, I see more producers going to the cable chennels first and leaving the broadcast networks to wallow in reality hell. Say what you will about FX, they know how to build an audience for a show. They show it the same night, same day every week and run the whole season through in one block so you don't have a chance to lose interest in the non-sweeps months like you do with other networks. This strategy probably has a lot to do with why the Shield and Nip/Tuck have managed to get some pretty decent followings (and good DVD sales in the case of the Shield). Of course it's not like FX has much of anything else to show but these shows, Buffy repeats, Armageddon and X-Men, but it's nice to see the shows get some love. Shows need time to build an audience. I very rarely get into a show at the get go. I didn't get into Farscape until around the end of S1, Buffy until mid-S6 (thanks to FX) and Angel until S3. I didn't even start watching ER until around the middle of S1. As someone mentioned earlier, Cheers sucked in the ratings at first and now Frasier is finishing up after being on the air a decade. The broacast networks just so need to die. Reality TV has kept them on life support for a while, but once the backlash hits they are going to start losing viewers to cable in droves (especially if FX and USA continue to nurture their dramatic programming). And as far as Arrested Development goes, when will they realize that a LOT of people watch Alias but tape AD to watch immediately afterwards (or at least after they're done getting their reccomended weekly allowance of Spader goodness on the Practice - now fortified with Shatner!). Nielson ratings are fundamentally flawed. They have to be when so many crap shows are huge successes while shows like the Family Guy are failures (but yet somehow do great business on DVD). Fox just sucks as a network as far as nuturing shows goes - I mean they had Ben Fucking Stiller doing a sketch comedy show and they couldn't make it work. I'm really surprised that the X-Files was ever given a chance to blossom.
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FOX sucks! They had a brilliant original show and they killed it by putting it in numerous bad time slots. Pretty much what they do with every other good show they get. To tell the truth, I am a huge fan of Futurama now that I can actually find it (on cartoon network that is) and I was telling all my friends to watch Wonderfalls because I knew it would be cancelled I just didn't know it would be cancelled so fast. The sad part is FOX didn't let enough people see the show to even start a grassroots campaign to bring it back. If anyone knows how to contact that lead actress I want to send my condolences and tell her I love her. Good day sir. I said GOOD DAY!
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Went to Sony Pictures to vote for Action, but I saw that Get a Life was up there and I just couldn't pick Action over that one. Sorry, man. Hope you understand.
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WONDERFALLS fucking SUCKED, man. It was just a lame rip off of JOAN OF ARCADIA (which also blows). The jokes weren't funny. The lead actress was as annoying and overmannered as as fuck, the character was an anti-social cunt, and the premise of the show was completely fucking retarded. The universe talks to her? What the fuck does that mean? Give the twat some thorazine. Hopefully this will clear the way for a good reality show.
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Here's a million dollar idea for somebody. Sure we've got a ton of niche networks, Scifi, Cartoon, Game Show, etc. But what the world needs is the Not For Retards Network. No reality shows EVER. Sure, you probably should change the name, but it fits. Start out showing reruns of all the lost gems that have been named throughout this thread. Try to stick the really short lived ones in the same day and time slot of other similarly themed shows. Like alternating 12 weeks of Firefly and 12 weeks of Space Above and Beyond. Grab recently axed new shows and try to continue production. These discarded slightly flawed good shows will become your original programing. But all the underappreciated good shows combined on one network will be 100 times better than the networks that spawned them. It's like the Oakland A's in baseball.
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While we're on the subject of great shows that met an untimely end, how much do you want to bet that the Freak and Geeks DVD does pretty good sales wise two weeks from now, further proving that most network programming execs are hired mainly to help the networks comply with affirmative action laws by gainfully empploying the mentally handicapped.
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...when you mention the mentally feeble (network execs) and then manage to misspell "employed." These forums need a nice EDIT function like Anandtech has.
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Take this link to an article that explains really well why sci-fi and fantasy genre tv is going to disappear, to be replaced by more reality shows.
http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/movies/mmx-0403080009mar08,0,7778841.story?coll=mmx-movies_heds
Basically, it comes down to sci-fi and fantasy fans are too old and too smart.
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After I told my mom about Angel being cancelled and filled with Dark Shadows, she told me she hated the original. Now I have to tell her this is done and that Tru Calling is almost done.
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So, the low rated, critically panned and all around crappy show "Tru Calling" is still on the air, but Wonderfalls goes away?
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i can't deal with tv anymore. this show was kinda fun to watch. angel got cancelled and it has one of the strongest fan bases on t.v. yet the networks don't support the fans needs at all. they just cater to idiots who watch stupid reality shows. i for one am done with t.v. next season i will watch a whole lot of dvd's.
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I'd hammer it all over the respective common sense of every TV and movie exec and politician all over this land...as long as creative shows like this keep getting put out to pasture while drivel like The Apprentice and freaking Survivor continue to be on the tube, I can sum up the furture best with the quote from Groundhog Day: I'ts gonna be cold, it's gonna be gray and it's gonna last you the rest of your life
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I viewed three of the four aired episodes and I was not that impressed. I feel the show simply tried to hard to be quirky. None of the characters were likable and I have seen it all before. In shows that were truly quirky like Northern Exposure, Twin Peaks, or any original shows on cable television. The only funny phrase I heard was "mouth breather". And that made was because it made me think of Corey Haim. (did i spell his nam right, its been a long time)
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Does anyome suspect that these shitty networks are leaving reality programming on network on the air because they don't really sell that well on dvd...MEANWHILE good shows that the studios don't outright own are sacrificed because they know there is a buck to be made? Fox is gonna wait a bit and put all these creative martyrs on the dvd format and make us pay for them - making a quick buck with very little to be invested into the sets. They have a brand new game and they are PIMPING IT. We can bitch and moan but I gave seen the future and my love for dvd is killing my favorite shows.
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I thought Fox would at least all the episodes produced; they really can be the coolest and meanest network I swear, the crazy deep chick who just likes to tease you and is really a lot shallower than she pretends to be.
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Apr 04, 2004 4:34:58 AM CDT
"Maybe HBO will take it on?" Honestly? No...they already have a
by enter4none
Totally overrated. George Lass rules.
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Apr 04, 2004 4:40:56 AM CDT
Funny. The same guy who wrote Wonderfalls also wrote Dead Like M
by enter4none
How sad is that. The HBO people wanted to get Dead Like Me more into the "Touched By An Angel" wagon and this guy quits.......... Who knew that giving his original edge of HBO's Dead Like Me to FOX Wonderfalls would be a waste?...well I guess everybody since IT'S ON FOX!
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Although I did expect this coming, just not so soon. I've had it with networks. Four episodes? Are you fucking kidding? The two halfway best shows that debuted this year (Karen Sisco and Wonderfalls) are cancelled and the fucking "Gay midget bachelor island karaoke American eden" freak show for mongoloids can spread like a cancer. The only thing left is Arrested Development and that is hanging by a thread. And don't fucking talk about "low ratings". The Neilsen ratings system is a meaningless dinosaur that should have been done away with years ago. 1500 mouthbreathers with black boxes is HARDLY a national concensus. The networks are just too stupid and lazy to come up with a better system. The network chimp's adherence to it propagates this cycle of shit. Oh well, like Herc said, the show really WAS "better than you deserve." If you didn't like it, I'm truly sorry for you, because your taste is crap.
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Apr 04, 2004 4:47:26 AM CDT
ChickenGeorgeVII you rule as much as the Hellboy campaign over h
by enter4none
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Apr 04, 2004 5:56:48 AM CDT
Enter4None -- Showtime is reponsible for "Dead Like Me" -- don't
by smarkjobber
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Apr 04, 2004 5:56:51 AM CDT
Caroline Dhavernas is so carismatic with her alcoholic habits.
by cornstalkwalker
the last episode was the one that convinced me this show was good. too bad no one else saw that. was a lot like Joan of Arcadia though. but, it always seems like the best shows always get cancelled. whats wrong with people when CSI and any half ass advertised reality shows get the top ratings of the week.
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is on Showtime not HBO (Ever4One)
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If you dont like the Show leave I think the Lead Actress is a Hottie... and REALITY SHOWS BITE!!! I bet they would kick you outa the House on Day one if your were in the real world Arsehat
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Apr 04, 2004 9:17:50 AM CDT
Knew this was like throwing a huge rock to someone drowning.
by captainrock
First, it was on FOX. Big mistake. Should have got it on somewhere else. If FOX was the only one to pick it up that should have said something. Like this show is not as good as it should be. They are not a good network.
And second, the show was not that good. Really boring stuff. The only one watching it in my household was my pet rock and even it had issues with it.
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Apr 04, 2004 9:45:12 AM CDT
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Sign the we want a dvd petition
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Apr 04, 2004 10:33:01 AM CDT
Once again Fox prooves that theu have the wrong vowel in their n
by renonevada2000
Stupid FUX!
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Once again I'll ask, How can Wonderfalls be a rip off of Joan of Arcadia when they were both developed and their pilots produced at the same time? WF just sat on a shelf for half a season before getting screwed over by the executives at FUX.
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Let's see, cancel Famliy Guy, it becomes one of the best selling DVD sets ever, resulting in a renewal of the series. Cancel Firefly, the sales of the DVD set result in a film version being greenlit. Cacel Wonderfalls... Anyone else curious what a DVD set might due saleswise?
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I missed the first episode and only saw the second. Well after the second I didn't want to see anymore. It's hard to want to watch a show when you think the main character is annoying and irritating. I had read the synopsis and I was expecting her to be a charming and smart underachiever. She was just bitter and rude. Rather than find some quirky, clever, intelligent, or interesting way of dealing with her problem, she just got pouty and mean spirited. The show at its definite good points, but how do you base a show around a character that is so unlikeable and expect it to succeed.
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The four episodes were the best episodes of any TV show this season. Fox has wasted an opportunity to show a bit of class by supporting a critically acclaimed show, at least for the full 13 episode run. I'm sensing a season long boycott of Fox coming on. I did the same thing to ABC a few years ago when they started cancelling good series for more "Millionaire", now Fox is cancelling good series for more reality programming: Stupid, stupid, stupid. Since Tru Calling will probably finish its one season run, both 24 and Arrested Development are definitely on the bubble and leaning towards non-renewal, and Simpson reruns will be around for years, I may cease watching Fox all together except for Baseball. Sorry Fox, I've been watching your network since episode 1 of 21 Jumpstreet, but I will soon be out of here.
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Apr 04, 2004 11:13:41 AM CDT
"Wonderfalls" dies and "Tru Calling" survives. Something about t
by ribbons
Exaggerate all you want, folks, and say that "Wonderfalls" sucked, but I'm entertaining no possibilities of "Tru Calling" being the superior show in terms of quality. Of course, half of you assholes who call "Wonderfalls" stupid and unworthy of your oh-so-cultured time probably elevate the Nielsens for "Tru" when you tune in to spank it to Eliza Dushku.
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Apr 04, 2004 11:20:00 AM CDT
Vote For Wonderfalls at tvshowsondvd.com and Sign The Petition.
by the outlander
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/wonderfalls - Show your support for Wonderfalls and sign the petition. We need as many as possible. Even if there is little chance in resurrecting the series it will no doubt help towards getting all the episodes released on. Also go to - http://www.tvshowsondvd.com - register and vote for Wonderfalls. All we need is 1600 votes to get it in to the top 10 most voted for. The petition to save the show has already over 1500 signatures in less than a day, so to get 1600 votes should be a walk in the park. The only way for Wonderfalls to live on is to get that DVD set out.
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And that's a serious question because I want to know. The shows terrible, gets low ratings, Eliza is sleeping walking through it, better shows with slightly higher ratings are getting the axe. Some studio exec must really have a hard-on for Eliza Dushku.
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it was one of the better ones. People are stupid, there's no way around it.
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Suprise Suprise, Fox cancels another brand new spankin show in the ever engrossing quest to create another cheap, appeal to the lowest common denominator audience, heroine with big boobs in titilating thrillerish weekly show. Here's a cheap idea for you. A reality show where two teams of 6 geeks, nerds, fanboys, organize a rally/campaign to save a recently cancelled FOX show. The team who after 13 weeks manages to pull in the biggest support gets to usher in a new season of whatever show they save.
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I didn't actually watch an episode of "Wonderfalls," as I knew it would get cancelled when the good reviews started to arrive. I did watch "Firefly" last year, though, and felt kicked in the stomach when Fox cancelled it. And as a result, I'm glad Whedon will get his chance at big screen with the "Serenity." My take on the situation is this: "Wonderfalls" didn't get sufficient ratings, accoriding to Fox, to keep it on the air. Not enough people watched the show. Period. Same thing happened to "Firely" and about 1000 other shows over the years, many of them not associated with Fox. It sucks, yes, if you were down with the show. Maybe they could've marketed it better, sold it better, given it a different time slot, but even on Thursday night not enough people watched the show. It'll come out on DVD, sell more copies than expected, and maybe get picked up on another station. Rail against Fox if you want to, but I'd save your breath. Wait until the DVD comes out, then buy three copies.
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Apr 04, 2004 1:00:04 PM CDT
SIMPSONS VOICE ACTORS: STICK IT TO FOX! THEY DESERVE IT! TAKE MO
by atomheartbrother
and maybe they'll can "arrested development" and go for a clean sweep of all things brilliant other than "the simpsons" from their schedule. maybe they'll grace us with more reality programming. oh well, fuck those people. fight the power dan, julie, hank, harry et all!
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Hate to say, but "Wonderfalls" was an over-hyped, non-interesting, and dull show. The show a little cleaver, it fails to grab any real attention. The show was marketed all wrong. Heck, even marketing it right, would have made it fail. It was clearly not that wonderful. I watched the first two episodes, after those, I gave up. I gave "Wonderfalls" a shot, it failed. Many people gave the show a shot, it didn't reach them either. Therefore it's cancelled. Did you really think "Wonderfalls" had a chance on Thursdays against a winding down "Apprentice" and the big Thursday follower of Survivor, "C.S.I.". You gotta be shitting me. No wonder why "Wonderfalls" failed.
Plus whoever mentioned moving "24" to fridays at 9. Fox ever does that, they will have shitloads of viewer mail against it. Why fight millions of mobbing people?
Just face it, while "Wonderfalls" was a good original idea, it failed to grasp anyone, and it was terribly done, which was why it failed and got canceled. "Firefly" was the same way, it came opposite of better Friday shows, which led to it's demise. I couldn't get into
"Firefly" either. I just don't get Joss Whedon, the only good thing he did was the ORIGINAL Buffy movie, not the series, couldn't stand it, and I can't stand Sarah Michelle Yenta. Kristy Swanson was a better Buffy. -
America just isnt ready for Legitimately good (somewhat fantasy) television. Its not a drama, and apparently that's all that's working these days
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Fox has got to be the best-worst network on television, they keep dishing out shit ass shows and they keep thinking they're going to be a success. Then when one is actually a success (scored 2.6/5 on ratings) then they cancel it, wtf?
WONDERFALLS was a good show. Witty, Caroline Dhavernas is cute...very cute, and it had character. So many underlying stories, and so many more plot twists with the family.
What more can I say than, FOX YOU FAGGOTS.
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Screw the writing campaigns. What we need to do is contact some powerful right wing religious group (Christian Coalition & FOTF come to mind) and express to them our moral outrage about this show (not letting them know that it's already cancelled) Tell them that it's satanic; it promotes contact with demons, rampant lesbianism, mockery of religion in general, etc. With any luck, they'll start a nationwide boycott of the show (without even watching it, you know how these guys work), and Fox will be suddenly flooded with mail from people who'll want the show back on the air. It worked for Married with Children.
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How in the hell can Fox do this to me? Those assholes. This was the best show they had and they frickin' shit-canned it before giving it a chance. No more Caroline Dhavernas? Now what the hell am I supposed to look at? She was easily the cutest thing on any show in recent memory. That alone would be reason enough to watch, but this show was funny and original and had characters that I really loved and I simply wanted more and more of it but fucking Fox is a bunch of assholes. What the hell is wrong with society? Do most people actually prefer utter shit to high-quality television programs? Honest to God, how could anyone think to themselves, "Hmm, Thursday night, eh? Let's see; I can pick the mind-numbing reality show shitfest that is the Apprentice, the repetitive drivel that is CSI, or the COMPLETE AND UTTER FUCKING GENIUS THAT IS WONDERFALLS. WHAT THE FUCK SHOULD I WATCH? THE APPRENTICE IT IS! I love the Donald! Guh hee!" I completely agree with that one dude earlier who suggested a channel devoted to kick-ass shows that got cancelled way too early. Hell, if GSN can survive on reruns of Match Game I'm sure people would tune in for things like Freaks and Geeks, Undeclared, Andy Richter Controls the Universe, WONDERFALLS, Firefly, The Ben Stiller Show, Futurama; the list goes on. It is completely fucked up that we the viewing audience have no say as to what stays on the air. Give me a fucking Nielson box and let me have my goddamned vote.
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Apr 04, 2004 2:35:52 PM CDT
Goddamn it, we need to do it the Japanese way. Bypass TV and go
by stalking_goat
I think FOX is required to cancel one good show a season. Must be in their charters somewhere.
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You can't have 200 channels showing EVERY LAST BIT of scripted programming available to TV for the last 50 years in reruns ad infinitum - every movie, every drama, every comedy, every cartoon, EVERYTHING - and still maintain TV production of new material as it has been. The ratings per dollar invested in producing new scripted programming just don't work. Only hits or extremely inexpensive shows are worthwhile. So the networks throw a bunch of shows up, and if the show is 24 it stays, and if not it goes, unless it is dirt cheap to make like "The King of Queens" or something. Expensive sci-fi is dead, expensive dramas that aren't part of a franchise like Law and Order or CSI are dead, "quirky" shows that have high production values are dead, UNLESS they hit a home run ratings wise, or at least do well enough in demographic terms, the way GG did. Why pay some writer to come up with a comedy that recycles old Honeymooners scripts in a "quirky" way when you can just throw 10 people in a house and let them fuck / kill / love / hate each other and get better ratings?
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Hey Orion's Angel, who's the "hater" now? Fucking hypocrite.
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Apr 04, 2004 4:01:02 PM CDT
To AtomHeartBrother (early Floyd fan--excellent!): according to
by frankdrebin
And if they're gonna make a DVD box of something, it should be ANDY RICHTER CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE.
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Fuck those Oliver Beene, American Idol pushing asshats. Can we get a channel done by the guy who picks out the good tuff we've seen on Fox? I'll pay a fucking subscription charge top see Firefly, Arrested Development, Futurama, Wonderfalls, Andy Ritcher Controls the Universe, Greg the Bunny, etc. I don't care about American Idol, Forever Eden, The MIdget Dating show, the stupid fucker that pretends he's rich, but the golddiggers are too fucking stupid top figure it out show. Ratings are all bullshit anyways, Seriously, who the fuck watches Tru Calling? Who? Every MOnday at work we talk about Arrested Development. I don't know any mother fuckers talking about whatever they have on Mondays, American Idol (this year's). Wonderfalls should have beem paired with The O.C. and renamed "The Falls".
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Does ANYONE watch TV on Friday's? Besides those with TiVO, meaning they watch on Saturday? I'm not surprised. I'm convinced that in order to be a Neilsen house your average IQ has to be below 90. You also must give a shit about which vapid model the beauty queen hooks up with, and which Karaoke singer will be better then the others and earn the chance to release the most average music possible to the radio.
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Apr 04, 2004 5:08:08 PM CDT
Please do not be bitter, TalkBackers. The fact is, the show neve
by jim jam bongs
Thank you for the emails that some of you sent. To respond, I cannot answer what it is I do. I am involved in the "business" so to speak, but I am not involved with a production company, network or audience testing firm. The only hints I will give is that I am on the phone and Internet a lot, am officed with a view of Wilshire, am on the phone with clients in NYC, handle my share of "accounts" and have a giant marker board in my office with the names of TV shows (cable, not broadcast networks, but others in my office have the network lineup on their boards), I do lots of research, and I write reports -- lots of them, unfortunately for me. In fact, keeping track of message boards on the Internet is part of my job, though what I glean online is hardly taken seriously by my superiors and clients. For fun, my co-workers and I have office pool bets on which shows will be cancelled and which will be renewed. I lost on WonderFalls -- I bet it would survive 5 episodes at least. What happened with that show is that when the pilot was first produced, there were already concerns that a series would not draw in a strong enough female viewership. The following early episodes that were produced didn't address any of this either, and this worried the FOX creative development heads. This is why the episodes were shown out of order, but it's obvious the producers just didn't "get it" -- women were not going to watch this show. In network television, women are the biggest demographic. This is why Law & Order and CSI are such continual hits that have been (and are still being) spun off. (NBC even seriously floated the idea of creating spin-offs for every Friends cast member who wanted their own show, in fact. Imagine tuning in to Thursday night on NBC and watching Joey, Monica, Chandler, etc. each with their own sitcom.) Male viewers (what little there are who remain) tend to watch Comedy Central, Cartoon Network, ESPN (especially so), HBO and Showtime when our viewing time isn't taken up by video games, DVD movies, and online porn. Women are the ones who are the most "faithful" when it comes to TV viewing. They exhibit the highest "recall" when it comes to commercials that are aired, they don't use gadgets like VCRs and TiVO (and when they do, they tend not to skip over the commercials), and they don't "steal" programming via downloading them. (Wonderfalls has a strong download appeal; the network knows this and is not impressed by this at all.) Women, in other words, are Good TV Viewers compared to us men who "steal" and are too busy whacking off to porn and PS2. These are not necessarily my opinions but I am stating the nature of how network programming works and is targeted today. Those who have commented that the editor of this site's support for Wonderfalls might have not entirely helped have it half right. It affirms what those in power already feel about the young male demographic -- they are only passionate about specific shows but not about a general cross-section of shows. In other words, if you want to have an audience for shows like Wonderfalls taken seriously, you need to be not necessarily fans of that one show, but you must demonstrate you are fans of TELEVISION in general. That's why the comments here that there should be a broader discussion of more shows, the kind of programming that appeals to our underserved demographic, would be more beneficial than to focus on just one show. Somebody who emailed me mentioned Mutant X. A bad show, I think, too. However, if even crappy shows like that were discussed occasionally, evaluated more, producers and television executives might take note: There could be a DEMAND for genre programming but what this demographic wants is GOOD genre programming, they might sense. By not talking about a variety of genre/quirky shows here, the impression is given that our demographic is only a fan-based, "activist" one, and "activism" is the last thing a TV exec wants to deal with. (Future tip: If you want to voice your support for a show, just mail a postcard with your return address on it. Forgo gimmicky stuff like sending crackers or Tabasco, cough, cough -- they HATE that, because they have to assign a peon assistant to throw out that crap, when that person should be busy doing other work for the execs.) As for Wonderfalls, its appeal to women was limited. In fact, most women in the testing audiences (more than one test was held) hated her. I will refrain from posting what I heard, but the comments weren't nice. The producers needed to seriously address this after the pilot but I think they buried their heads and believed they could force it through, onto an audience when there was none. (I heard, but cannot confirm, that the character Jaye was originally conceived as lesbian. Ever notice that her name is, interestingly, asexual? The dev execs immediately nixed this idea, so the producers spun off the lesbian thing into a new character, the sister. Ever notice that the sister seems to exist for no reason other than "being gay"? My guess is that Jaye was gay and the male bartender was supposed to be her best friend.) What could have been done to fix things? Personally, I think bringing in a female showrunner after the pilot to evaluate and present ideas for how to carry the series might have been the best. No insult to Mr. Minnear, but I don't think his good writing skills were enough to offset the serious issues this show was already marked with. Keeping with the fandom for all things Buffy and Whedon on this board, I think bringing in another writer from that circle to showrun could have helped, maybe Jane Epenson or even the controversial Marti Noxon, to address concerns that women had with the show. Jane would have had my vote (disclaimer: I don't know her personally nor have I met her). I think she would have made the show more appealing to a broader audience, yet maintained the original basic integrity and intent of the series' concept. FOX felt the concept had potential for further development after the pilot, but when the showrunning was in place and episodes were being produced, they saw that virtually nothing had been changed. That's why it never made it for Fall 2003. As for "Arrested Development", believe it or not, this show has a chance for renewal and it needs your support. But please don't be snarky toward FOX when you write in your support for it. They're already behind it, and they are really wanting to prove it to ad buyers that there is an audience and one which will grow next season. (Full disclosure: I have $20 in the pool for its renewal.)
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We all know any campaign to save the show will fall flat on its face, we should spend our time organizing a freakin boycott of Fox. Fox will only get the message when people stop watching. In the words of Lisa Simpson-- "JUST DON'T LOOK"
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Reality Programming is the sign of the End Times. I'm waiting for one of the major commercial networks to announce they are devoting all 46 hours of prime time television a week to Reality Programming. Scripted TV is dying, they will say. It cost so much to launch a new show and our investors want an instant return on their money, and these programs are showing profit even before they hit the air. So, this is the end of TV as we know it. It would be funny if The Next Generation episode The Neutral Zone got it right, where it said that TV as an entertainment doesn't last much beyond 2040. Reality Programming is far from entertaining and any drama, comedy or combination of the two that assumes it's viewers are intelligent and don't need paint-by-number stories seem to fail. Its a sad comment on American's in general. We are quickly becoming a collection of idiots, where we make people like Donald Trump richer than he needs to be. And where our desire for those 15 minutes of fame over rides every logical circut we have in our skulls. Money might not be the road to evil, but it sure makes people do half-witted, asinine things. So Wonderfalls is cancelled. Surprised? No. If only because the few American's who understand satire and appreciate not being insulted, where watching. The rest of them, those fools who watch Survivor, The Apprentice, Extreme Makeover and what not are to blame (along with the Hollywood bean counters and publlically traded studios who've become hostage to their investors). We've let our love for reality programming -which is the real threat to any scripted TV show -over coming everything we hold dear.
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I've thought the ratings were suspect for a long time. I know absolutely no one who watches Jay Leno and yet somehow his ratings are higher than Dave's. Leno is a no-talent, big chinned fuck. Remeber that the network assheads who cancel shows like Angel and Firefly are the same shitheads that didn't allow Johnny Carson any say in who his replacement would be. Not only are they idiots, they have no respect for thier talent or their audience.
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How can you cancel a show after only 4 episodes? Those network pinheads need to give these shows a chance to find an audience. Remeber the original "Dick Van Dyke Show?" It's one of the classic TV comdies of all time. It was cancelled after the first year and found an audience when its reruns played over the summer. Hell, Seinfeld wouldn't make it past 4 episodes today and TV Guide says its the best show ever.
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I'm not going into detail here, just sign it:
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G-d forbid enough people don't watch the first five minutes of a new show, 'cause if they don't, it's screwed. At least with cable they commit to a full season before they pull the plug. That's at least three this year (Wonderfalls, Karen Cisco, Miss Match) that you can add to the long list of critically acclaimed, or at least original or unique programs that didn't even get a double-digit run. And the networks wonder why they're losing viewers.
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How can that god forsaken series stay on yet something worth watching like Wonderfalls be cancelled after a death-timeslot and 3 airings?
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Apr 04, 2004 7:10:18 PM CDT
I watched "Joan of Arcadia" for the first time the other night -
by pardon_my_zinger
Still, I'm willing to accept either of the following possible scenerios: 1) I just caught "Joan of Arcadia" on an off-night; and/or 2) "Wonderfalls" wasn't around long enough to disappoint anyone. "Wonderfalls" was not only very good, but also (even though this analogy tends to be overused in situations like this) ahead of its time. Probably never had a chance anyway.
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Tim thinks ark is spelled with a 'c' !!!
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Take a show like "Joan of Arcadia". There are those who say it's a quality show that has a fresh concept and takes chances. But I look at it and can't see anything but a demented masturbational fantasy for 16 year old suburban consumers/whores who want to think, "No, I'm NOT a useless hunk of protoplasm, without a useful thought or impulse, about to spend ten years or so as a cum dumpster and then to be discarded onto the ash heap of suburban consumer/whore history - I'm actually the WORLD'S MOST IMPORTANT PERSON, individually selected by God." It's also a masturbational fantasy for the writers, who look back wistfully at their time as 16 year old suburban consumers/whores, and who pat themselves on the back about their cleverness and creativity, while they sit in featureless monochromatic cubes and conference rooms thinking about how they can will themselves to be even more self-absorbed. Are you seeing the problem here? When Reality TV aims for the lowest common denominator, it at least hits it mark. Modern scripted programming aims for something higher but ALMOST UNIVERSALLY falls light years short, because it's too busy trying to flatter the empty vanity of its soulless, brainless, bloodless audience. Network scripted TV deserves to die. The people who write, direct, and produce it deserve to lose their jobs. Let it go. Let it go. Once the present system collapses maybe some brave soul will start over again and we will see something where the market calculation isn't shouting from every frame.
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http://www.petitiononline.com/goodtv/petition.html
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I just wish the production companies could figure out some sort of direct-to-video solution. If Firefly was a hit on DVD, why not do original eps to video?... Just pissing in the wind, I know...
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Come on people... watch Arrested Development. It will restore any- and every- body's faith in FOX and television in general.
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Apr 04, 2004 9:05:38 PM CDT
Maybe we should petition another network to pick this show up?
by eveelcapitalist
Or USA? Or FX? I think we should all focus our collective geek energies to saving this show and not bitching out Fox which will do no good. Anyone got any e-mail addresses? Online petitions?
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Apr 04, 2004 9:37:43 PM CDT
AFTER HOLOCAUST ONLY 3 THINGS WILL SURVIVE: COCKROACHES, CHER &
by enter4none
The shit hits the fans ONLY ON FOX!
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It seems that every show that I enjoy gets canceled. I thought I was a normal female in the 35-40 year old category. Obviously, I am not. I like "Wonderfalls", "Firefly", "Angel", "Buffy" etc. I loath reality shows, american idol etc... Who wants to watch stupid, evil, conniving, silicon-based bimbos fight over who gets to flash a whining beer-bellied man? It is an insult to my intelligence.
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I couldn't stand that stupid bitch Jaye from the first time I saw her. I tried watching this crap, I really did, but it just sucked. I'm sorry but that girl's whole i'm smart but i don't try attitude sucks. This show was lame.
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Apr 04, 2004 10:49:53 PM CDT
The fact is Fox seems to be clueless about how to nurture a new
by felatiohornblowr
...Wonderfalls may have been doomed from the start, but that doesn't change the fact that it and every other quickly-canceled Fox show in recent memory was either poorly marketed or not marketed at all. The only Fox shows that I ever see/hear ads for are for The Simpsons, Bernie Mac, and, of course, American Idol. Sometimes I see names of shows like "Arrested Development" or "Oliver Beene" pop up but they don't tell you what they're about or why anybody should tune in to see them. I feel sorry for the execs who choose such excellent programming to be part of the line-up only to see their work implode due to lack of salesmanship. I can only assume the Fox Network Marketing Director is either the Network President's son/daughter or else she's super-hot and gives awesome BJs. I don't know how else they could've kept their job.
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It happened to Miracles, and now it's happened to Wonderfalls. Don't waste time voting on tvshowsonDVD, petitioning, praying for a DVD set, or doing any of that. It'll never work. Trust the people that have been doing it for over a year for Miracles. It never works.
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Fox, you wankers, thanks for putting a great show on the air only to shitcan it before it has a chance in hell of finding an audience.
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GOD DAMMIT! I get sucked in EVERY time. I tell myself... here is a great ass show, brilliantly conceptualized (ok, so maybe it IS Joan of Arcadia without God, but still...), and brilliantly written. "Its not gonna happen this time," I tell myself...just like I told myself for SportsNight and a host of other shows. And sure enough... Oh well. At least we can look forward to the actors on Wonderfalls showing up on HBO series in the future...
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Apr 05, 2004 2:27:48 AM CDT
It's not that people are stupid, it's that business is the contr
by clubsidetv
The jabs at the cancelling of "Wonderfalls" (which was at best "different" and at worst "46 minutes plus ads of your life horrifically robbed from you") generally fall under one of two heading. First, "people are stupid", the girlish cry of the basement-dwelling fan-boy, or second, "FOX SUXX"-spewers, a mawkish group of bored antagonists, the inarticulate, the drunk (but not the "high", that energy is better spent touching oneself) and the deeply frustrated (who should become the "high" and commence or accelerate the auto-erotocism). Both have balid points however communicated. But in this fabulous country of slap-happy-apathy fiends, the solution is never vocalized or acted upon. "Wonderfalls" was an expensive show. FOX executives get paid a load of cash (we won't veer off into this today). Studio people get paid a lot. Writers, actors, below-the-line talent, film stock, clearances, advertising. $1M a show abouts I've heard. Average for today's drama. Ratings indicate advertising. Advertising pays for content. Show couldn't earn its buck +150% (needed to pad the horroffic executive's salaries referred to above). So it's shit-canned. The solution: people who care about product as much as profit. Smallr cameras capable of self-lighting exposure to reduce production costs. Enforcable "must air" contracts. It would be easy for a group of people who wanted to bring entertainment to the people and make a little coin to do so. But those people ain't runnin' the networks, bay-bee! Youd would need people to risk profits on their choices, to be able to capitalize entertainment regardless of its singular ability to "pay for itself" (the HBOs and Showtimes). But nobody does it. Because when the chance for riches jumps out, the same group of assholes start grabbing. You have to find some people with cash, find some talent, scrape by at a loss at first, and committ to your mission to tell stories, or help other people tell stories, and xontinuously fight for the bucks and for retaining that ideal. Sad to say it, but that was the FOX model before they stopped being the "fourth network". Now they are part of the system and play its game. A $1M an hour show with minimal effects. Give me a fuckin' break. The fingers could be pointed all over the place. And the stupidity of the people and "FOX SUXX" are just minor components of a greedy culture propped up by a lazy one, and a new generation much like the character from "Wonderfalls" who would probably have made some sarcastic quip as the Titanic sank rather than searching, however fruitless, for solutions or closure. "I always wanted to see the ocean floor, better eat some lead so my body don't float". Here's the bottom: Survivor, Fear Factor, American Idol, The Apprentice. The voyeuristic glee of wintnessing strangers in pain. It's more "Can you drag the body closer, my wife's never seen a corpse before" reality programming, and that can't be fixed easily.
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Wonderfalls was fresh and funny. No wonder FOX canned it.
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Unless there was another sled sitting a warehouse, I think you DEFINITELY do not want to compare the show's fate to that of Charles Foster Kane's sled. I can't say I was into Wonderfalls as much as others. It seemed overly sarcastic and narcissistic to me. But I found a lot about it charming too. I'm sad to see the "Joan of Arcadia is crap" rants, but I guess I should have expected that on here. Nonetheless, FOX didn't give this show a chance. It needed time to build an audience. It struck me as a show that would have hit it big in another year like Seinfeld or Ally McBeal (well, Ally had a bit bigger debut, but it wasn't a mid-season replacement either). Wonderfalls had decent ratings when Apprentice was a rerun, so that should have clued FOX in that the show could have been a competitor. Apprentice is a juggernaut, so of course when a new episode hit, its loyal zombie--er, viewers went back to it. Besides that, most people probably thought Wonderfalls was still a Friday show, seeing as my TV Weekly didn't list it on the Thursday line up (and many of us don't watch enough FOX shows to see the ads telling us of the time switch). And how many times can you move a new show inside a month? But I'm sure all that is lost on FOX. It's clear that networks, and FOX in particular, have no ability to nurture a new show, they just want something to fall in their laps. Hell, they can't even let a show finish all it's filmed episodes! God forbid it have a chance to make back some money! They couldn't even do limited shows like in England with that kind of attention span!
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I can't beleive they cancelled this show!I really liked this one! Only 4 espisodes and it's over! That sucks - it really sucks! This was the one show I was really looking forward to! It was so funny! "Break the light"....."You Bastard! My insurance!"
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Haa-ha
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Even in *this week's* local TV guides (both papers I get), Wonderfalls is still listed as being on *Friday night* at 9:00.
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Yeah, they cancel all these great shows, but what other channel would even put them on in the first place? I haven't seen Wonderfalls (don't have cable, don't want it), but I can't see great, unusual shit like 24, The Tick, Arrested Development, Firefly, Greg the Bunny (which I didn't really like, but at least it was unique), etc. showing up anywhere else. Even going back to Action, Get A Life, Ben Stiller Show, and all those other shows mentioned across these here talkbacks -- damn unique. And you know what? I'd say Wonderfalls has a pretty good shot at getting a DVD release. The Tick lasted about this long and got a box set. Ditto Firefly. So applaud them for giving these kinds of things a chance, and thank them for letting the occasional one get enough airtime to catch on, like The X-Files, 24, The Simpsons, even Married with Children started off slower than they hoped, if I'm not mistaken. But yeah, fuck them for not giving enough of a shot to the other ones, and FUCK THEM for playing so much reality game show junk, and FUCK THE PEOPLE WHO WATCH THAT SHIT IN DROVES. I gotta blame them the most. Footnote: man, if I ever got into the TV development world, I'd pitch exclusively to cable. No commercials, swearing-violence-nudity, INTELLIGENCE & QUALITY. I have a feeling cable's gonna get bigger and bigger as the chunk of the audience who can't take both the reality crap and the scripted crap that makes up most of commercial TV flee in terror to the nurturing teet of cable.
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That's brilliant! What a great way to market a show. I remember when I was a kid and they had the prime-time Friday night sneak-peak at the new Saturday morning line-ups. I got a chance to see a little about each show. Why don't the newtworks do that. Among other things, distribute a DVD (possibly in our cereal) with previews of their fall line-ups and possible Mid-Season replacements. Educate the public on their shows. The more people know, the more they may care. But then again, what the hell do I know? I'm not a TV executive, just an average Jim who watches TV.
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Like everyone posting on here, I too grimace at what Reality Television has done to quiality network programs. I invested immediately in 'Wonderfalls' only to have yanked away from me. To be honest, it wasn't my favorite show (I wanted to kill her obnoxious and snotty African American friend) but it was a damned good show and better then 75% of what is on and popular. Donald Trump is just the latest piece of garbage to poison our TV sets while most of America cheers him on. It's funny--my fiance and I sat with a group of 6 friends Saturday night watching March Madness and all 6 of them smiled and talked about who was going to get fired next from "The Apprentice" while my fiance and I sat there rolling our eyes; we asked and NONE of these people had bothered to even try "Wonderfalls"; these were all college educated people, 2 of them are in LAW school.*************It was SO depressing.*************Anyway, in LA, NY, & Chicago, they are starting to REPLACE the antequated Nielsen systems with a new way to measure ratings to hopefully get a better gauge. How is it for 50+ yrs, America has let 1500 people decide what we should all watch? would you let 1500 people total decide the next president, or what gas prices should be, or how our education system should work? It's as ridiculous as 1500 people in Nebraska and Fargo telling me to watch 'The Simple Life', "The Apprentice', and & 'Survivor'. ***************We need change. Or otherwise, our ONLY hope left is that shows as smart & fresh as 'Wonderfalls' or 'Angel' get a chance to premier syndicated or on a cable network like FX, Sci Fi, and USA. That is it. Cable maybe the next frontier for quality, genre shows with some bite, some fun, some intelligence in the writing. I love The Dead Zone, Monk, & The Shield, not to mention HBO fare like Six Feet under & The Sopranos. All 5 of those quality shows have been lifers on Cable. Maybe the next time a smarty like Joss Whedon or Tim Minear or David Chase does a show, they won't bother with the big 6 networks, but they will head straight to Cable. Had 'Wonderfalls' started as an FX or USA show, it would have been given a full 13 episode run in a better time slot and had lower ratings expectations, therefore, could survive.********take a new show like "Touch of Evil"--for those who have seen it, it's fucking entertaining, smart, sexy, and edgy. Too much so for a boring network like CBS & NBC with their watered down cop shows like CSI & Law and order. Could you imagine an edgy cool show like "Homicide" NOW on NBC? No way. It would have to go straight to USA or FX or HBO to have a chance. Smart, edgy fare is the last of a dying breed on the big 6; I thoroughly agree with the AICN crowd for recognizing this.*********One more thing (for a bit of irony). "Star Trek" survived JUST FINE on syndication through TNG and then DS9; though DS9 lasted 7 years, it did have low ratings, but low expectations. People like myself and my brother, big Trek fans, were able to enjoye DS9 every saturday on syndication without the looming threat of cancellation by an NBC or a FOX.************So, the 'netlets' were created, the WB & UPN; then UPN was supposed to be a new 'haven' for TREK. Well, then Rick Berman gives us the unwatchable "Voyager", basically sucking the franchise of life, and now the supposed 'safe haven' of UPN, is not such a safe haven anymore as the much better 'Enterprise' (which admittedly has not gotten good until about 2 months ago) is now in danger of not making it through a full 4th season pending ratings. Had UPN never existed, Enterprise could have safely taken a 7 year run on syndication.*********that's IRONY.
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Sadly, you described me perfectly. I am male, couldn't give a shit about most network TV and instead latch onto a small handfull of shows I really, really like - mostly genre based. Sadly - I knew that Wonderfalls was doomed from the start (my like of a show is just as much a kiss of death as Herc's) because (a) it was "quirky", (b) it as a scripted high production value show (AKA "expensive") and (c) it was on FOX - a cruel mistress that has broken my heart on more occassions than I care to mention. I had read about the female test group dislike of the show, but never really thought much about it. Your post made me think about my wife - who is prone to watch TV for TV's sake (in her defense she doesn't watch reality shows except 'Survivor'), whereas I only watch specific shows and not one of the 10 channels set on my remote's "Favorite" button are the six broadcast networks. So - thanks for clearing up some things. The show, sadly, would have failed even if it had had a lead in of the first Joe Millionaire with it's 11 gazillion (female) viewers because 99% of them would have changed the channel after Joe. To the cast and crew, thanks for what I did get to see and for reconfriming that there really are a few talented people left in television who care about quality and doing something different. I can only promise if you put a DVD deal together, I'll buy a set day and date.
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Apr 05, 2004 11:26:37 AM CDT
Actually, Orionsangel, most girls I know DID like it,.....
by blok narpin
....and we liked it because of the quality writing, not because she was cute. That was just a bonus. I don't watch TV to see pretty people, I watch it for smart writing.
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Apr 05, 2004 12:11:52 PM CDT
Can somebody tell me exactly what "quality" network shows realit
by ralphus
Was network TV really that good before reality TV came along? I seem to remember a bunch of crappy sitcoms and dramas punctuated by the occassional good show. For every one Sienfeld or X-Files there were 10-15 She's the Sheriffs and Walker Texas Rangers. If The Apprentice is keeping the next Wings at bay then more Power to The Donald. I don't even mind the multiple Law&Orders and CSIs. Hell, in the "good old days" it was just 20 different lawyer, doctor and police shows ripping off the original. At least now they're honest and give them all the same title.
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www.foxnow.com/wonderfalls/
"Performance Highlights:
WONDERFALLS had a solid sampling in its first 2 weeks, averaging 4 million viewers. The series delivers its best performance among teens on Friday night, ranking #1 in its time period. WONDERFALLS is also popular with young men, ranking #2 in its time period among Men 18-34.
Source: Nielsen, NTI 03/12-03/19/2004". I'm guessing that was not good enough?
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TV guide still has the show scheduled. Why hasn't fox made an official announcement yet? Its been 3 days.
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I wish they had kept it on a bit longer. I never watched firefly when it was on but now that I have watched the dvds I want that show back on so bad, perhaps they will make a set for wonderfalls but I won't buy it. It would have been a good show on Weds, or Tues, theres nothing on Tues thats worth a flip. But I just couldn't get excited about Wonderfalls...
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FOX can burn in Hell!
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I've heard that UPN may be interested in picking up Wonderfalls. We may be able to see the remaining episodes!
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Well while I never got connected to Wonderfalls it did seem to me to have potential. And that's just the problem with TV today. Networks don't give a show a chance. It's try it for a few weeks and if it doesn't work can it and move on. Reality shows are great for this formula because they don't much and aren't a big risk. It's kind of like what I heard from Jerry Seinfeld recently " Reality tv! Yeah right! If I wanted reality on tv I'd take the picture tube out and look through the wooden box! "
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Well while I never got connected to Wonderfalls it did seem to me to have potential. And that's just the problem with TV today. Networks don't give a show a chance. It's try it for a few weeks and if it doesn't work can it and move on. Reality shows are great for this formula because they don't cost much and aren't a big risk. It's kind of like what I heard from Jerry Seinfeld recently " Reality tv! Yeah right! If I wanted reality on tv I'd take the picture tube out and look through the wooden box! "
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The question isn't why networks cancel great shows like Wonderfalls, Firefly, and Angel. The question is why reality shows thrive. Maybe somebody's already theorized about this, but here's my take:
The American Dream has something to do with it. We're all brought up in this country to believe that a person born into any situation can become whatever they choose and reach whatever heights imagination stirs. This rash of reality television is the embodiment of The American Dream. Through reality TV we get to see love-seeking midgets, Trump-tower-bound country bumpkins, big-breasted bug-eaters, and 'no profressional training'-touting wailers 'achieve' their dreams (or something resembling them). People like seeing ordinary (or freakish) people doing bigger-than-life things.
Why?
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Less crap on the TV screen and less crap shown on the Fox network.
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Oh well I'm not at all surprised that it got the ax but it was so good I can't help but be a little hurt. But then there's always "Dave The Barbarian". This show gets no ink even though it's a laugh-out-loud tour de force. Think "Bullwinkle" yet better, with so much crammed into it's two-eps-a-week format that it's practically bursting at the seems with one liners. Add to that the obvious homosexuality of it's creators and you have a show that can't miss. It makes me wonder how they can get away with so much gay-centric material on The Disney Channel! Dave is defintely gay. The show is one of the funniest things I've seen.
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Oh well I'm not at all surprised that it got the ax but it was so good I can't help but be a little hurt. But then there's always "Dave The Barbarian". This show gets no ink even though it's a laugh-out-loud tour de force. Think "Bullwinkle" yet better, with so much crammed into it's two-eps-a-week format that it's practically bursting at the seems with one liners. Add to that the obvious homosexuality of it's creators and you have a show that can't miss. It makes me wonder how they can get away with so much gay-centric material on The Disney Channel! Dave is defintely gay. The show is one of the funniest things I've seen.
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Oh well I'm not at all surprised that it got the ax but it was so good I can't help but be a little hurt. But then there's always "Dave The Barbarian". This show gets no ink even though it's a laugh-out-loud tour de force. Think "Bullwinkle" yet better, with so much crammed into it's two-eps-a-week format that it's practically bursting at the seems with one liners. Add to that the obvious homosexuality of it's creators and you have a show that can't miss. It makes me wonder how they can get away with so much gay-centric material on The Disney Channel! Dave is defintely gay. The show is one of the funniest things I've seen.
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Oh well I'm not at all surprised that it got the ax but it was so good I can't help but be a little hurt. But then there's always "Dave The Barbarian". This show gets no ink even though it's a laugh-out-loud tour de force. Think "Bullwinkle" yet better, with so much crammed into it's two-eps-a-week format that it's practically bursting at the seems with one liners. Add to that the obvious homosexuality of it's creators and you have a show that can't miss. It makes me wonder how they can get away with so much gay-centric material on The Disney Channel! Dave is defintely gay. The show is one of the funniest things I've seen.
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Oh well I'm not at all surprised that it got the ax but it was so good I can't help but be a little hurt. But then there's always "Dave The Barbarian". This show gets no ink even though it's a laugh-out-loud tour de force. Think "Bullwinkle" yet better, with so much crammed into it's two-eps-a-week format that it's practically bursting at the seems with one liners. Add to that the obvious homosexuality of it's creators and you have a show that can't miss. It makes me wonder how they can get away with so much gay-centric material on The Disney Channel! Dave is defintely gay. The show is one of the funniest things I've seen.
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Oh well I'm not at all surprised that it got the ax but it was so good I can't help but be a little hurt. But then there's always "Dave The Barbarian". This show gets no ink even though it's a laugh-out-loud tour de force. Think "Bullwinkle" yet better, with so much crammed into it's two-eps-a-week format that it's practically bursting at the seems with one liners. Add to that the obvious homosexuality of it's creators and you have a show that can't miss. It makes me wonder how they can get away with so much gay-centric material on The Disney Channel! Dave is defintely gay. The show is one of the funniest things I've seen.
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Oh well I'm not at all surprised that it got the ax but it was so good I can't help but be a little hurt. But then there's always "Dave The Barbarian". This show gets no ink even though it's a laugh-out-loud tour de force. Think "Bullwinkle" yet better, with so much crammed into it's two-eps-a-week format that it's practically bursting at the seems with one liners. Add to that the obvious homosexuality of it's creators and you have a show that can't miss. It makes me wonder how they can get away with so much gay-centric material on The Disney Channel! Dave is defintely gay. The show is one of the funniest things I've seen.
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Oh well I'm not at all surprised that it got the ax but it was so good I can't help but be a little hurt. But then there's always "Dave The Barbarian". This show gets no ink even though it's a laugh-out-loud tour de force. Think "Bullwinkle" yet better, with so much crammed into it's two-eps-a-week format that it's practically bursting at the seems with one liners. Add to that the obvious homosexuality of it's creators and you have a show that can't miss. It makes me wonder how they can get away with so much gay-centric material on The Disney Channel! Dave is defintely gay. The show is one of the funniest things I've seen.
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Have the items that talk to her give clues to solving violent crimes involving midgets. Meanwhile, solving these crimes complicate her life that is in total chaos from being on a reality show where she must find a husband. The hook? Half of them have venereal diseases. Retitle the show, "I'm Clean" and you get instant ratings.
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Everyone buy the DVD. I signed the petition a while ago, fully expecting this to happen. So, when a DVD comes out, which FOX has been good about doing, BUY IT. Even if you didn't like it, help get reality shows off the air. Bring scripted shows back. For all the haters, what else would you have watched? Hm? Even you have to admit that you hate reality shows. So buy the DVD, bring this back just like the unfortunately cancelled gem Family Guy. About FG, it's coming back to Cartoon Network's Adult Swim, so screw FOX. Hopefully they go to last in network TV ratings.
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I'm not even in the US, and I hate Fox. That's quite a reputation they're building.
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"I wanted to kill her obnoxious and snotty [Caucasion] ...friend"
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That network exists and it's called Trio. ;-)
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Apr 05, 2004 7:04:57 PM CDT
To everyone heartbroken over Wonderfalls cancellation...
by mister grieves
Read a book you fucking cockgobbling idiots.
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fey and annoying, yes. but witty? i don't like reality programming either, but people who go for the kind of obvious, oh-so-precious "humor" that shows like this one traffic in, can still sit in their darkened apartments watching dvd after dvd of buffy the pop culture poisoner. it's not the end of the world.
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Apr 05, 2004 9:50:06 PM CDT
wonderfalls was was an overwritten piece of crap that was trying
by headless roland
good riddance.
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Wait I shouldn't say that..... it might give them an idea for a new reality show "the worlds most extreme donkey dick sucking" - that would definately NOT be cancelled and would live on as "the worlds greatest donkey dick suckers part 28"
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...makes room for Syphalis Island. And Booring Ethnic Sitcom.
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Fox leaves something like retarded, pop-culture drivel american idol on the air, but takes something as brilliant as WF off.... it truly goes to show you that dumbasses populate this country and FAR outnumber anyone with a brain and some taste. (Just look at the waves of garbage dubbed "reality tv" being spewed at us left and right as well as that monkey that right wing gun nuts worship like a god) feh. jackasses.
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To add to what I said before, just look at the sad state of tv today, and what a reflection it is on this slovenly country that we call "the land of the free and the home of the brave" (notice that they didn't bother to include intelligence anywhere in that statement) No, it's easier to like someone that's a sadistic asshole like fucking simon cowell and give him more and more money every year. Ooh better watch out simon, someone might find out that you're a foreigner and then you'll be blacklisted, because the american public loves a bigot. I've got it, he and paris hilton can get married on a fox tv special, that'll really blow people's nielsen boxes up! Face up to it: america has become a cultural shithole, the equivalent of the big fat kid with adhd on the playground in the world view (ya know, not in control of himself, but able to bully everyone else constantly), and all people do is foster it. And people may not think that tv is a big deal when it comes to the grand scope of things, but tv is a huge power of suggestion. I mean just look at fox's 24 and that shitty threat matrix show on NBC; it wasn't bad enough that we were innundated for 2 years already with a whole buncha 9/11 bullshit and that media whores and the governmental vultures took the opportunity to plunge us into an unnecessary war, but then we apparently needed dramas about the "threat the white house and our nation faces everyday" and a second season of another show about terrorism and biological weapons? I guess that's to try to divert everyone's attention away from being constructive and happy with shows like Wonderfalls and to keep everyone afraid and keep everyone's mind off of out real problem, president fuckwad and his band of rootin' tootin' texans.
And to "cyberbeavis", get a life, what the fuck are you reading posts and stories about a show you don't like anyway? I know a guy like you, and guess what, NO ONE FUCKING LIKES HIM. ps - I hate beavis and fuckhead -
Hey, if ya don't like you don't have to, but don't you have something more constructive to do than to scour internet posting boards and berate people for liking a television show? And I have a question for you as well: WHY THE HELL DO YOU READ ABOUT A SHOW YOU DON'T EVEN LIKE?! "joe" - if you don't like "oh so precious" humor, then turn the show off, no one's hitting a 2x4 off of their hand next to your couch forcing you to watch it. And if Buffy was so "pop culture" then why was constantly enbattled to stay on the air....
and to "mr grieves" - I love your type more than any other, the type that criticizes others for liking tv shows or wasting time posting on boards, when you do exactly the same thing, you fucking hypocrite. Lemme guess, you're the type of person who plays d&d and pretends to be "deep" just because he's a pretentious little sob nerd.
And generally I hate haters, if you are one you know who I'm talking about, and if you're not, you prolly know one. You know, someone who bitches about everything being "pop-culture" and how excluded they are from that part of society. These people pretend to be deep "just because", or different to be different. They have surface interests in everything and try to be everyone's friend but criticize them behind their backs and are basically a bitter little mental midget inside =). I'm well-acquainted with this type of person, I was very good friends with one of these for 2 years or so, people who are so busy trying to be "different" and "interesting" that they don't realize just how outwardly retarded and pretentious they seem to others. So guys, take it outside and get into a little circle jerk of hate or whatever, but leave the people speak out about the loss of their beloved show in peace. -
btw, I left this off of my last post, but I absolutely HATE when people talk about reading books or plays or musicals and makes some suggestion about people that like tv and movies. JUST BECAUSE someone likes television and therefore it is more accessible DOES NOT make something "pop-culture" and therefore idiotic. Get off of your high fucking horse and take the stick out of your ass.... YES, books are a valid form of entertainment, YES I too, read, NO I DON'T like plays or musicals. Does this make me stupid or less of an intelligent individual? No, I'd like to think not, I just don't happen to like plays and musicals, everyone has things they like and things they don't like. And amongst the things I don't like are some gutterslut losers telling me that because I'm not reading some "pop-culture" stephen king (how do you like it when it's used against you?) novel or whatever, that makes me less cultured. Sorry that I got off-topic, but people that act like because they read fiction literature constantly are better than everyone really irk me.
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Another one bites the dust. While I made no secret in these parts that I didn't care for the show (despite my usual appreciation of this sort of material), cancellation after four episodes when 13 were filmed always sucks for everyone involved. It's not fun to think of that many people putting in that amount of effort on behalf of over six hours of television that nobody, quite possibly, will ever see. I hope the UPN and/or DVD deals happen, for that reason alone.
Ingrid_Cold: last I heard, Alias had been renewed by ABC through 2007, in a practically unprecedented show of support by a major network. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me very quickly.
As for the guy who said that he never got Joss Whedon apart from his script for the original "Buffy" movie, and that Kristy Swanson was a better Buffy than SMG, I'll just take that as some kind of sick joke (as I assume I'm supposed to) and refrain from further comment.
And yes, I do feel a bit like one of the Troika from Buffy S6 right now. So be it. -
The premise alone is just silly. Mainstream America doesn't really care for silly, unless it's over-the-top comedic silliness (and even then it's gotta be done right). Silliness in an alledgedly-serious show just doesn't work here. Plus, inanimate objects talking to people has been a lousy concept since My Mother the Freakin' Car. It just makes the audience uncomfortable that we're supposed to believe this crap. At least, that's how I felt during the three minutes I wasted watching this foolishness.
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They aent even playing this weeks episode! They are playing a repeat of the SWAN!! Take a look at there schedule. http://www.fox.com/schedule/
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First they cancel Oliver Beene, then Wonderfalls. What's next, the OC? Hell, they are even fucking with the Simpsons right now! How the fuck is shit like Tru Calling and the Bernie Mac show still on when great shows like Wonderfalls and Oliver Beene get canned?!! FUCK YOU FOX!!
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Like a tree falling in the forest when no one is around, can you hear my wail of disappointment.
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I will get the news about this series if it gets picked up on your site. I'll be watching this site since the best show of the year is gone.
Will it be released on DVD?
Will you let us wonder-wonder- why people know? PLEASE.
FOX can ......
Video of song can be found at:
http://www.budweiser.com/goodstuff_wonderfalls.html
Catch it before Budweiser removes it from their site. On Friday it was on the FOX site. By Monday it was gone. -
just picturing you talking into your monitor with tears running down your fat, oily cheeks as you typed your rant makes me smile. If you can't admit that people overreact with their " Fox has a vendetta out against me by taking off a show I kinda like!!!" bullshit, then you need a reality check. You fucking know there will be other shows on you fall in love with, that's what people like you do. Just be glad you got to see it while it was on.
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I stll think they are pulling another Family Guy/Futurama here. However, Fox finally realized the err in their ways with Family Guy... TWO YEARS LATER (boneheads!)!!!
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Apparently even though this show didn't do well ratings-wise in the States, it was a hit here in Canada and Global Television (the Canadian Broadcaster) is considering buying at least the remaining episodes to air. All of you Canadian Wonderfalls fans out there get in touch with your local Global affiliates and let them know that you support the show!
The show is actually shot in Toronto...so with enough support there's also the possibility that it could continue to shoot up here and air on Canadian Television a la Due South. -
I was more ticked that people didn't tune in to Profit yet made "Ally McBeal" that timeslot's hit. And I'm still skeptical that Wonderfalls would've benefited from a post AI slot. Let's face it the AI audience is dumb. Why else would you watch Simon Cowell, Paula Abdul and Ryan Seacrest voluntarily? Not to mention voting for bad singers. Wonderfalls had a sly joke in it's premiere about lesbians and SUV's that I bet ticked a lot of people off. And the whole theology section of episode 3 probably didn't make any friends with "The Passion" crowd. This show was way niche, like "Alias" and it could've been FOX's "Alias" had they kept it on.
But if you really want to see something hilarious check out Disney's "Dave The Barbarian." Think "Bullwinkle" yet gay. I swear I can't believe The Disney Channel is getting away with showing a cartoon with a lead character who is obviously gay. I wonder if the kids have noticed. Very funny show. -
http://www.petitiononline.com/fallsdvd/petition.html
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I am a person with two x chromosomes and I loved this show.
Go watch The Swan. Or vote for the latest American Idol. -
Here's an idea lets calcel a new and creative show replace it with the Swan's encore presentation and further the minds of our viewers with some ugly chicks who want to be pretty. Now that's never been done before. How could they seriously cancel such a quality show. I am just wondering how forever eden hasn't been cancelled it's a poor rip off of paradise hotel. WONDERFALL'S ROCKS they better put it on DVD.
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tru calling's ratings are crappy too. i don't know why they want to give a badly written show time to find an audience but not an excellent one the same benefit. maybe they just want to hold on to the dushku factor, star on the rise from her past experience, but caroline dhavernas has just as much star potential as eliza methinks, just not as much experience. doesn't fox get that nobody wants tru calling to still be on? the critics know it stinks, the buffy fans would've preferred the faith spinoff but still wanted to like it for sheer dushku factor and still saw that it stinked. UFGGHGHGHGHRHFFHFGHGHGHF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Responding to Orionangels:
I am a girl, I watch Wonderfalls. Loser.
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I think that the people at FOX are really..messed up in the head. I watch half an episode of the Swan, most of it was the previously fat girls bawling like they were constipated and going `WHAT IS THIS? I'M SO BEAUTIFUL! WHO IS THIS GIRL?! I'M SO BEAUTIFUL! WHAT DID THEY DO TO ME? WHAT HAPPENED? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA` and so forth. BRING BACK WONDERFALLS BITCHES! -
Society deteriorates. You're not cool.
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Apr 26, 2004 11:41:18 AM CDT
my theory about people who don't like wonderfalls...
by pissed customer
they are all mouth-breathers!
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