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Mr Beaks Interviews Guillermo Del Toro about NINO DEL INFIERNO (aka HELLBOY)

Hey folks, Harry here... I have decided that it would be inappropriate for me to write a review for HELLBOY - I love the film, love the romance of the story, the Lovecraftian imagery given life in such a vivid way... and of course seeing Hellboy played by Ron Perlman after hearing Guillermo talking to me about it for the past 20% of my life. Ultimately - it is a geek's film, a romantic's film and it truly is for those that dream during the daytime and live through the nights. I'm familiar with those passions and those hours - as is Guillermo. If you are planning to go for a balls to the wall work of action - that isn't really what you're going to get. This is a film about friends, and some say in the 20th century that the value of family has diminished and been replaced by the love of friends - ok... technically it was Simon Pegg, but anyways - that's very true in HELLBOY. If that makes you think, "Gay," then go sit cynically in whatever dank pit you call a life and hurl dung and nerf balls at the hoop and go "Swoosh" - but if you want a HELLBOY movie about complicated relationships, feelings and tentacles... then this one is for you.

Guillermo del Toro being awarded a $60 million budget to adapt and direct Mike Mignola’s cult comic book HELLBOY is evidence enough that the geeks have triumphed. Yesterday’s big announcement was just another victory lap. Hollywood is now our playground. We’ve got the run of the joint, and we ain’t gonna stop until we’ve got Brett Ratner helming a $200 million version of STRIKEFORCE MORITURI. Fear us.

But don’t fear Guillermo. As anyone who’s ever spent some time the guy will confirm, he’s a big ol’ teddy bear. He’s also one of the most visually inventive filmmakers out there, blessed with the kind of storytelling facility that’s caught the eye of titans like Steven Spielberg and James Cameron. And here he is, holding forth on his latest triumph to a roundtable of (mostly) like-minded geeks. Enjoy.

How did you get to be such a huge fan of this?

From the very beginning I was taken not only by the art, but by the fact that this guy was such a fallible superhero – almost too human as a character. I thought that normally, and especially in Hollywood, superheroes… there’s sort of an unspoken rule where they say, “You don’t want to see your hero vanquished. You don’t want to see your hero fail.” And the great thing about Hellboy to me is that he’s incredibly fallible and incredibly human. Before he takes responsibility for himself, people even die under his command. He uses his powers, like I would, for very petty things – stealing a beer, throwing a rock at the guy who’s trying to steal his girlfriend. Things like that. And that humanity is what attracted to me to the character.

Do you see parallels between you and Hellboy?

100 percent.

What other aspects do you relate to?

I think that we both have a dark side. I have a dark side to my imagination that could’ve easily gone to plan bank robberies. (Laughs.) But the great thing about telling a fairy tale like the one in the movie is that it’s not about what the regular world tells you to do, which is to suppress everything (about yourself) by looking good and thinking nice things. It’s about saying, “I am what I am. I have a dark side, but I still can choose.” And the dark side with me was directed towards a creative thing, and also a destructive thing. The romance between Liz and Hellboy is pretty much taken in some cases verbatim from the courting of my wife.

Really?

Yeah. We were in high school, and when I was courting her at one point she said, “You should dress better… wear better clothes.” And I said, “Listen, some guys look really sharp when they’re courting, and then they’re married, and they put on sweatpants and sandals.” I said, “I can promise you two things,” and the scene proceeded as it did in the movie, “I will always look this good.” To me, also, when the movie started taking shape six years ago, and I started writing it, I was coming out of my father being kidnapped in Mexico in 1997. I was incredibly invested in the little fable of what it is to be a father and what it is to be a son. The movie is full of those types of personal details for me.

Let’s talk about tentacles.

Yes!

The monster at the end has the most tentacles I’ve ever seen. Is there some sort of record for that?

I would say certainly on film. Not in anime. (Laughs.) But there is an aspect that I like and enjoy of Mike Mignola, where his version of hell is a cosmic one, which he shares with H.P. Lovecraft. In the movie he says, “Do you really, really believe in hell?” And the guy says, “There is a dark place where evil slumbers and waits to return.” That’s basically the premise of the entire Lovecraft mythology: that there are entities out there that want to return and repossess Earth that are “cyclopean”, to use a Lovecraftian term. I think… part of me wanted to make a Ray Harryhausen movie for a new generation that was creating monsters and creating entities that, as a kid, you want to see fight. I remember, as a kid, seeing the Sinbad or the Jason (and the Argonauts) movies, and just flipping at the creatures. We wanted to bring those creatures back.

You recently just met Ray Harryhausen, right?

We met him about two years ago. One of my first things was, I said, “Look, we’re doing this movie HELLBOY, and I would love to bring you in as an advisor on the style of movement.” There’s a lot of Harryhausen in the movie. For example, Sammael does the Mighty Joe Young move, slamming the floor when he’s angry. When we directing people to do movement, we were saying, “Do the type of move like a Harryhausen thing.” (Harryhausen) said movies today are too violent and too full of sex, and I said, “C’mon! In JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS you show a nipple, and you have a Minotaur in EYE OF THE TIGER that impales a guy out of the water.”

You’ve made very hardcore films. Was there any discussion at the beginning of this process to turn this into an R-rated film?

Never. Because to me, the beauty of this movie… I think this is a movie for young people. I think this is a movie that has all the… images that are edgy, but the heart of the movie is extremely gentle. You have a message… where we tell you, “Be yourself.” It’s a “Beauty and the Beast” story where the Beauty kisses the Beast at the end, but instead of the Beast turning into a Prince, she turns into a Beast. The final shot for me is beautiful because it works at the level where you’re telling people, “It’s okay to be a monster. Just accept it, and make it part of yourself.” A character verbalizes it very nicely when he says, “We like people for their qualities, but we love them for their defects.” Again, I’ve been together with my wife for twenty-one years, and the whole point is that I never forced her to be a princess in my brain. I accepted her flaws.

Is that the theme of this movie, then?

To me, the theme of the movie is, you know, what makes you a human is not anything to do with your birth, the place of your birth, or what you’re supposed to do, but what you *choose* to do.

There’s also a Catholic aspect to this, right?

Impossible to avoid. Once a Catholic, always a Catholic.

So, people should see this on a double bill with THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST, right?

I think that what it is, is that it’s not a movie that is about dogma. It’s not about institutional Catholicism. It’s about, ultimately, at the core of everything… try to do good and act accordingly to what your instincts tell you is right. It’s not a proselytizing movie; it’s more about ethics than morals.

First films in a series are always a bear. You’ve got to slug through the exposition and still try to hit the ground running and entertain the audience, or else you’re not going to make the second movie. How did you deal with all of the exposition from the comic book, and the peculiar way the comic book develops the character?

There’re a lot of threads in the comic that actually don’t tie up until, like, six series down the road, and some of them never tie up. I wanted to make a self-contained movie. I think it’s too cocky to assume that you’ll do a second one. It would be hopeful to assume that, but you shouldn’t take it for granted. So, what I wanted was to make a little fairy tale – a fable – self-contained, that you could see and understand. And the way that you do that is “showing” instead of “saying”. The rhythm of the images, and the language of the movie, and the information that comes in visually and verbally is almost machine-gun fire fast.

What would you do if you make a second movie?

I would make it, in terms of approaching the material, I think that the movie, the first twenty minutes of it, are pure Mignola – exactly as the material should be. Then, we have a detour at about thirty minutes where we go into an urban environment that the comics never go to. And the ending of the movie, where everything gets almost surreally gothic in the underground of Moscow, goes back to pure Mignola. The second movie, the only thing I would do is start and (keep it) all that surreal in a way. The storyline I would like to develop is why Myers was chosen, and find out in the second one why was he the only one that could be recruited? Since the love story is resolved, deal with different aspects of what it is to be this character. One of the aspects would be Hellboy would be out; he would be outed in the second movie – become public. And dealing with the reaction of today’s world, which is getting all the time more reactionary. And dealing with this character who is funded by the government! (Laughs.)

Why did you choose Ron Perlman?

I don’t think there was another choice. Whether you get the movie or not, to me there is no possible argument about him. At one point, I was telling the studios that didn’t go for it, “Why is it easier for me to convince you to spend $40 million on ILM and make a CG character than use Ron Perlman? Why is that easier than accepting the right actor?”

You were thinking about a CG character at one point?

What was happening was when we were starting, I said, “If Ron proves impossible, what we should try to do is make Hellboy eight feet tall. Make him a mixture of puppet and CG.” And I was thinking Ron would voice it. Then, I was talking to Jim Cameron, and he said, “You would lose one thing.” And I said, “What?” He said, “The love story.” But (the CG concept) probably lasted twenty-three hours.

What did you think of the Hulk?

I think that they pushed that technologically as far as humanly possible. I think the premise of the movie is a really interesting one. It’s probably not the fan’s HULK, but it’s a very interesting and very personal take on the character.

Let’s talk about adaptation. Geeks get really hung up on adaptation and things getting changed. I’ve talked to fans who’ve said, “It’s not exactly how I thought it would go because it’s not like the comic book.” What do you say to the fans, because they’re so demanding?

If someone goes into the movie with a checklist, they should save their money. This is probably one of the properties that is more full of quirky, idiosyncratic stuff than the entire comic book canon. We have a fish man partnered with a 6’5” demon with a red colored tail working for the government, summoned by the Nazis, coming from another dimension… there’s enough that we got away with. If you adapted, and someone said, “It’s easier to adapt works that are not easier.” And I think of all the graphic novels of HELLBOY, the one I think that is flawed is SEED OF DESTRUCTION. That’s the very origin of the character. And the fact remains that one of the best testaments that this was done with care, was when Mike Mignola said to me, “If I had known what you did with the material and the characters, that’s how the first series would’ve evolved.”

How closely did you work with Mignola on this?

Very, very closely. He was in there from the start.

Were there animatics that you were following for all of the CG stuff? I was wondering if those were based on his graphics.

What we tried to do… there were twelve or thirteen really emblematic moments and poses that I knew we wanted to hit. I knew that the fans would recognize them, while the audience that didn’t know the comic book would enjoy it. There are certain watermarks, and we hit them all. Mike was there just to keep his blessing on everything. We argued. We argued a lot. And I said to him, “Your duty is not to agree.” At one point… I wanted a giant crib to appear in World War II. They would say, “Nothing came through,” step out of the building, and there would be a thirty story high crib rocking. They’d climb it, and find the little Hellboy in it. And Mike said, “That’s not consistent with the comics. It might be a good idea, but it’s so neat that he’s just there among the statues.” We poked each other all the time.

Would you like to step away from the comic book world for a while?

Oh, yeah.

Any ideas what that would be?

My natural impulse right now is to go to Spain and do a small movie right now.

A horror film?

(Guillermo gives the interviewer a great, “What do you think?” look.) I mean… yeah.

But you also have (H.P. Lovecraft’s) AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS, which is one of the most incredible horror stories ever written.

That is totally dependent on studio financing. If I’m lucky enough that the studio “gets” MOUNTAINS, then, by all means, I’ll do MOUNTAINS. But if it happens to be 1920’s, period, crazy-ass tentacle monsters that come from another dimension… there’s a moment where a character is praying as a preacher is approaching, and the preacher says, “Your God is as young as yesterday. My master was here way before.” Ultimately, all horror movies with monsters turn into aliens. This one doesn’t. This one stays ominous and existential all the way to the end. We’ll see what happens.

What would you do in Spain?

It’s a bookend to DEVIL’S BACKBONE that is called PAN’S LABYRINTH. To me, DEVIL’S BACKBONE was about the Civil War in Spain. It’s a little story about fascism at its very roots taking over the entire country. PAN’S LABYRINTH, to me, is fascism has won, and basically make it a reflection of that period in Spain. It’s a story about a girl who falls in love with a fawn that lives in the center of a labyrinth, and starts asking for things.

Guillermo, I noticed in your underwater scenes, you like to shoot them with green filters. Why do you choose that as an aesthetic choice?

Since we were not able to just transpose the rules of comics, because they’re two total different mediums. People say, “They’re like storyboards.” They are not. But what I wanted was for the movie to have as bold a palate as the comics. So, if you watch the movie again, you will see that we have blue scenes, green scenes, orange scenes, and they’re all justified within the environment; they’re not gratuitous. The underwater… I thought it could be… to me, some frames of the movie could be still printed, and they would be almost like art prints. And I love the idea of this beautiful, murky green water with amber flares and amber eggs. It’s just an aesthetic choice. We didn’t want to do anything in the movie normal, the way it’s usually done.

How wonderful it is, then, to have Guillermo Navarro. There’s that range of color in CRONOS. He’s your Ernest Dickerson almost.

In CRONOS, there’s a moment when we came upon a moment that we love to do, which is a blue light and an amber source interacting. Since CRONOS until now, I try to do it every time. I’m a big fan of Mario Bava, and one of the great things about Mario Bava’s color work is that, to me, he was a master of black and white. And, then, when he began to use color, he became a master of color. There is a moment in HELLBOY that I adore where Hellboy is yellow, the background is red, and the door that goes to the sewers is blue. Just to play with the almost 2-D play of colors like in comic books. In a strange way, HELLBOY is the most experimental movie that I’ve made.

I want to ask you something about MIMIC. I’m doing an article on the great overlooked movies—

Don’t include that one. (Laughs.)

But I like MIMIC a lot! Why don’t you like it?

I like parts of it. The funny thing is: the parts most people don’t like about the movie are things that were either shot by second unit, or that I hated. People go, “Oh, that’s a cheap scare!” I agree, and I didn’t shoot that scare *because* I hate cheap scares. I think that what aches for me with the movie is not what it is – I’m perfectly happy with a big “B” movie about giant insects – but what it could’ve been, what I wanted it to be. I wanted it to be a movie about evolution being a decision of God saying, “Your turn is over, buddy. Now, these guys are my favorite creatures.” There was no DNA involved in the ultimate MacGuffin of my movie.

If you would’ve had more control, or a bigger budget…?

I really don’t complain about budgets. I think HELLBOY is the best $60 million movie I could make. If I had the choice between freedom and budget, it’s no contest – it’s freedom.

Freedom which is well-deserved for this massively gifted filmmaker.

HELLBOY’s *finally* in theaters. What are you waiting for?

Faithfully submitted,

Mr. Beaks

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  • April 2, 2004, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Ah, grand...

    by Louis Cyphre

    Another Hellboy related piece. I was beginning to feel withdrawl symptoms! ;)

  • April 2, 2004, 7:01 a.m. CST

    First Posters suck donkey nuts.

    by kicker_of_elves

    Eat shit and die first posters! ALL OF YOUSE!

  • April 2, 2004, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Second...Dammit!

    by DoogieHowitzer

    Never read Hellboy, but very much looking forward to this movie. Thanks again to Moriarty and Harry who turned me on to all these great movies. Can't wait to see how their fledgling projects turn out......

  • April 2, 2004, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Hellboy, Lovecraft...

    by CellarDoor

    I need to lie down.

  • April 2, 2004, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Waitaminute

    by TheGame

    Is Mr. Beaks and Thomas Leupp from joblo.com the SAME guy? The exact interview is up on Joblo.com. I'll take Joblo's word over AICN anyday. So wha' happen'?

  • April 2, 2004, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Looks like this movie is going to be a ride.

    by Sgt. Blueberry

    Great interview. I was sorta undecided on watching this movie for a while now. But after reading about this guy's passion for the material, I'm very much considering it. I just want to see a movie that shocks me. A movie that makes me say "Wholy crap, I can't believe they did that". And by doing "that", I mean ballsy things. Like killing off a characters unpredictably and without bias (characters who are typically protected from harm becuase of old formulas). It's moments like that which make you forget your problems, and just stare blank-faced and in awe of what you've witnessed. Movies really don't seem to have moments like that. Had the chance to talk to Mr. Del Toro Mexico a couple of years back. He's a jolly fellow with a keen interest in stop motion animation. Too bad stop motion horror effects were made obsolete by computer effects. The rickety organic stropping stop motion look had a very scary look to it. But hey, I'm just showing my age by lamenting out-dated inferior special effects. brobdingnag: Ni

  • April 2, 2004, 8:21 a.m. CST

    "I have decided that it would be inappropriate for me to write a

    by Blue_Demon

    Jesus Harry, pull your head out and wash your hair. It would be inappropriate for you to allow Moriarty to write a good review of "The Real Cancun" and then cover up by writing a counter review to "balance" things out. Nobody's fooled son. Oh...and Brobdinghag, I think the word nino with a tilde ( this thing here ~ ) over the "n" making the word pronounced "neen-yo" means "little boy." Although, you are correct about "muchacho" which simply means "boy."

  • April 2, 2004, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Help, My Eyes Are Burning.

    by Ra Ra Rasputin

    This is like punishment for me, I have briefly scanned this interview because us poor folks in Blighty have yet to see Hellboy. All i allowed myself was a few sentences from a couple of paragraphs like Sequel or Tenticals. Help i cant wait im chewing the table over here.

  • April 2, 2004, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Ni

    by CuervoJones

    great hihihi

  • April 2, 2004, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Hey Guillermo, si vienes a Espa

    by CuervoJones

    aunque sea para hacer el caf

  • April 2, 2004, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Familiar

    by Recognizer

    Much of what's down here has been reported before -- verbatim, so either GDT is repeating a lot of what he has to say, even to AICN, or Mr. Beaks has conducted this interview and given it to multiple sources before now. Isn't he a writer/interviewer for several print publications? Wasn't there a TBer who recognized this interview as the one belonging to Thomas Leupp from joblo.com? Is Beaks' cover blown?

  • April 2, 2004, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Del Toro doing Lovecraft?? Hell yeah!

    by zombiejesus666

    colour out of space of call of cthulu would be fucking outstanding movies with del toro at the helm

  • April 2, 2004, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Right Hand Of Doom on Wrong Hand!!!

    by Butterbelly

    In at least ONE scene in the movie, Hellboy's all important "Right hand of Doom" was on his left hand!!! Watch for it. Good movie, but I'm a head over to the IMDB's goofs section to make a little entry...later!!

  • April 2, 2004, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Russias Greatest Love Machine

    by Ra Ra Rasputin

    Boney M said it best. Just been geeking out with Panic Room special Ed DVD over here in UK, Any body got any idea what Fincher is up to next I know its off the subject but im off home soon and would appreciate the Info or the abuse. Fire away

  • April 2, 2004, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Mountains of Madness!!!

    by godoffireinhell

    My god, that would be the greatest thing in the history of cinema! A film based on a Lovecraft story done RIGHT for once. Too bad HELLBOY won't come out in Europe until September or I'd be at the theater right now paying to watch it over and over to ensure its success and the GdT gets his wish with MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS ...

  • April 2, 2004, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Off to the matinee in 40 minutes.

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    What a treat! Can't wait. Can't wait for big-budget Lovecraft done right, either. Did somebody say "Lovecraftian" is over? Tiny Fool! Lovecraftian exists outside time! TENTACLES TENTACLES

  • April 2, 2004, 12:58 p.m. CST

    I for one am GLAD Harry didn't give a full review of "Hellboy"

    by rev_skarekroe

    He'd probably compare it to receiving a rimjob from Guillermo del Toro, in graphic detail. sk

  • April 2, 2004, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Harry needs to pull his head out from Del Toro's sphincter

    by LooseWiring

    Harry has such blinders when it comes to Del Toro. I remember his review of Blade II where he called it, if I remember correctly, a "thorough tongue-fucking of a movie". Well I went to see it and the only fucking I witnessed was when I realized I had paid $7.50 to see this crap-fest. Okay, maybe it wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen but it was nowhere near the original Blade. Hopefully I will find out today if this movie is actually worth the admission or not. The previews looked good. But then again so did the previews for A.I.

  • April 2, 2004, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Left Hand of Doom... where?

    by Toonimator

    I know on the Best Buy DVD there's a scene that's flopped, but that was for clip continuity so it looks like the snippets flow together. In the movie, when he tells off Tambor about something coming for them, it's the right way. Anyhoo, if there IS a Left Hand of Doom in there, I'd chalk it up to a comic in-joke, because Mignola actually drew it on the wrong hand in one panel at the end of one story (Baba Yaga?). So it might've been intentional :)

  • April 2, 2004, 2:01 p.m. CST

    WHAT DO SAY, COMIC BOOK FANS?! LET'S GO SEE "HELLBOY"!!!!!!!

    by JDanielP

  • April 2, 2004, 2:03 p.m. CST

    WHAT DO ... YOU ... SAY, COMIC BOOK FANS?! LET'S GO SEE "HELLBO

    by JDanielP

  • April 2, 2004, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Del Torro shouldn't be allowed near Lovecraft

    by JackieJokeman

    He simply doesn't get Lovecraft. If you think he does, you, and Harry don't get Lovecraft either.

  • April 2, 2004, 2:45 p.m. CST

    moviemack

    by TheGame

    Jesus F****** Christ, I bet you didn't even SEE the damn movie yet. moviemack is like one of those guys Kevin Smith was talking about (i.e I just wanna stir shit, man). In fact, I'd wager my left NUT you didn't see it yet.

  • April 2, 2004, 3:45 p.m. CST

    TO TOONIMATOR

    by Butterbelly

    Well toonimator, you're explanation about the comic/movie in-joke makes sense to me. I can't quite remember the exact scene, but it might've been when hellboy was walking thru a room by himself, and I think it was Koenen's(?) room/lair. But I know it was a scene where hellboy was walking thru a room, looking around cautiously. Heh heh, if that narrows it down...;)

  • April 2, 2004, 3:47 p.m. CST

    One more thing

    by Butterbelly

    If anyone notices the LEFT hand of doom, please let me know on here so i know I'm not going crazy...

  • April 2, 2004, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Orale Cabrones!!

    by tequilaworm

    Voy a ver a Hellboy con los calzonez en los tobillos y con la mano en la verga...SALUD Amigos!

  • April 2, 2004, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Just back from the theater...

    by Stan the Bat

    Well, it's about as good as could reasonably have been expected. A key character is dead! Feel sad, audience! No, wait- they're alive again, for no reason that will be adequately explained! Feel happy, audience! Now I will recite the Important Lessons We've Learned About Love And Courage, in a smarmy voice-over! This is the way all movies have to be made, now, I guess- it's like the three-minute pop song; there's an established formula to which everything must conform. So this is Hellboy, overlaid onto The PG-13 Formula. It's not as bad as it could be, for all that; Hellboy himself is likeable and even looks pretty good, and there are a lot of nice little visual touches that are lifted right out of the books, which is a kick to see. But Rasputin and Ilsa are disappointingly bland, and... yeah, I know, it's just a movie, fork over the nine bucks and shut up and eat your popcorn. Sigh.

  • April 2, 2004, 5:42 p.m. CST

    moviemack Reloaded

    by TheGame

    Easy pal... I'm just stirring shit

  • April 2, 2004, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Blade 2 was twice as good as this

    by iamarayya

    Just saw it. Good Visual, poor story and continuity IMHO

  • April 2, 2004, 6:23 p.m. CST

    UK doesnt get Hellboy till October

    by YeLLoWsAmUeL

    For every Shaun of the Dead coming out next week over here, there are 5 Hellboy's being delay half a fucking year. Any news on a Punisher release over here?

  • April 2, 2004, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Just got back from theater...

    by Darth Thoth

    I thought it was really good. A great and FUN movie. Some parts were just magic. Pearlman was superb. There's a moment he has with Liz which almost brought tears to my eyes. Great stuff. I'd love to see a sequel, progressing the story of the characters, with a larger budget, a little more Abe Sapien (he was great), and better developed bad guys. Rasputin and the chick could've been developed more. Kroenen was a beast. I'd love to see him and Mad Martigan go at it. Definitely worth a watch. I can't wait to see the movie again. Sometimes you just need a fun movie to keep you going. Hellboy's the trick. I really want to see this movie do well. Bravo. Way to go del Toro.

  • April 2, 2004, 11 p.m. CST

    Lovedit

    by braine

  • April 2, 2004, 11:18 p.m. CST

    LOVEDIT

    by braine

  • April 2, 2004, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Lovedit

    by braine

  • April 3, 2004, 12:39 a.m. CST

    The Transformers live action movie

    by The_Goat

    Check this out. If they can do this with the upcoming movie, we are in for something badass!! http://www.r50rd.co.uk/research/internal/v2i/engin/videos/stop_test.htm

  • April 3, 2004, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Hell of a good time

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    Ha-cha-cha! I'll be here all week, folks. It's not the best thing you'll see all year, but it's worth the price of admission and like I said above, it's a good time. I enjoyed it, and let me just say that ANYBODY who considers themself a Lovecraft fan really oughta see it. I don't want to spoil nuthin', but I just about jizzed my jeans over a certain glorious Lovecraftian sight towards the end. Roll vs. madness! Roll vs. sounding like a plant! Seriously, I think Del Toro would be a great Mountains of Madness director. Hellboy fans will be happy, Mignola should be thrilled, but for me the movie felt almost too full. Its source material adherence had vague shades of Harry Potter. Not too serious a criticism, but there it is. That's the biggest fault I could find: Overstuffed. Fun. Baby Ruth product placement wince-inducing, Goonies nostalgia be damned.

  • April 3, 2004, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Hahaha, The Sentimental Lunchbox.

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    You're still an embittered asshole, moviemack, but that doesn't make "Sentimental Lunchbox" less funny. Hahaha, poor Kevin Smith. It's funny 'cause it's true.

  • April 3, 2004, 1:03 a.m. CST

    The Left Hand of Doom

    by darth jobu

    Yep. 1) Wilhelm scream when Nazi flies into the vortex and 2) The film is flipped and Hellboy walks into room just off the subway with the stone glove on his Left hand. Great movie.

  • April 3, 2004, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Pan's Labyrinth

    by Johnny Smith

    If it's as personal a film as THE DEVIL'S BACKBONE, it will own. By the way, did anyone notice the slightly BACKBONE-style fetus next to the Spear of Longinus in HELLBOY? Very clever, Guillermo.

  • April 3, 2004, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Pretty Good

    by Ribbons

    I think that in a perfect world, it would have been longer, and I would have preferred if the death of Professor Bruttenholm had more explicit repercussions. I also understand that his decision was the emotional climax of the film, but the last fight really deserved a more exciting resolution. Great direction, however. The first 40-50 minutes of the film border on sublime. I honestly don't know, nor am I even qualified to guess, whether or not del Toro "gets" H.P. Lovecraft (although I would like to know what is at the crux of Lovecraft that Guillermo is missing, not out of spite, but of curiosity), but I dug this.

  • April 3, 2004, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Ah, crap.

    by pattyman5000

    Just got back from HB...scrumtrilescent. Oh, and it wasn't a Wilhelm scream, Jobu. Nice attempt to find a fault, though, other than one that may have been added on purpose (the Left Hand of Doom).

  • April 3, 2004, 1:38 a.m. CST

    HELLBOY WAS COOL EXCEPT FOR THE MISSING FUCKING REEL!

    by Manaqua

    Just after liz fries all the Sams with her fire the scene suddenly jumps and they are shackled. How the fuck did they get shackled? There was like 75 people mobbing the boxoffice after the flick was over and the clown in charge said they called three theaters and all the prints are like that. Anybody have the same experience? Completely ruined the movie for me and the rest of the audience. I've never seen anythoing like it. There was a HUGE crowd of pissed off peope. Somebody please post and tell me what happpens! M

  • April 3, 2004, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Just got back from the movie...

    by CranialLeak

    ...and this is probably a first for me, but I totally disagreed with the rottentomatoes high average rating. This movie was downright horrible. I was actually excited to see this one, based on the AICN submitted reviews, and the critical praise. And before the die-hard fans beat me up with their styrofoam Hand of Doom, let me give my reasons. You will obviously disagree, and I can respect that. Here we go. The dialogue was downright wretched. The HB origin before the opening credits contained some of the most stoic line deliveries I've heard in a movie in quite some time -- the army captain, the young prof, the dumb fat soldier who shoots at HB. Everything said had no feeling, and seemed to come straight out of the poorly-written page. The villains were nothing special when taken as a whole - Rasputin, the Seeds of Destruction, the pointless German chick, and Kroenin (sp?). The only standout was Kroenin, and he had no dialogue! The special effects were average at best. Did I mention the dialogue? Even Hellboy's wisecracks were flat. I heard lots of people chuckle at them while I groaned under my breath. OK, little sidetrack here -- I love movies. Well, okay, I love a good dumb fun movie. This was a dumb fun movie, but it was not that good. I watch about as many movies as the average geek. OK, back to the movie now. Here's what I did like from the movie. The makeup effects were exceptional. HB, Kroenin, Abe Sapien, they were all very well-conceived creatures to be put on screen. I also enjoyed Ron Perlman as HB. He did very well in conveying the soul of the character, despite the few dumb wisecracks that I mentioned earlier. I already mentioned that Kroenin was a plus. But if you put all the good stuff with all the bad stuff, eventually you've got a subpar movie. The good stuff will wear thin on repeated viewings I'm sure. Anyways, agree or disagree, I respect your opinion, so don't dis mine too much. I'm not here to argue, I'm here just to give my two cents. And we all know what a talkback review is worth (sarcasm).

  • April 3, 2004, 2:58 a.m. CST

    I liked it

    by mwhelan67

    I think it's the first time they've gotten a comic book movie just right.

  • April 3, 2004, 4 a.m. CST

    Not too good..i give it a 2 out of 4

    by Jon E Cin

    How did they get shackled? Why didnt the one nazi lady age (i am sure i missed that part right?) The wisecracks by hellboy were pretty terrible. The script seemed all over the place. Makeup was amazing though! Overall I was dissapointed...OH and the ending..SUPER CHEESY!

  • April 3, 2004, 6:10 a.m. CST

    MY WIFE ENJOYED IT MORE THAN I DID ... as was the case with "Dar

    by JDanielP

    Listen up, Hollywood. I'm a comic book geek and wanna-be filmmaker, so ... for what it's worth, here's my opinion of how "Hellboy" would have been a much better film. The beginning (the opening BEFORE the credits) should have been more subtle, easing us (especially non-comic book fans) into this fantasy. Have NO music with the beginning, attempting to bring a realism to the Hellboy origin. (I've always wanted my comic books to seem BELIEVABLE, an important element for ALL serious comic book interpretations.) -- I don't want to detract fellow comic book fans from seeing this movie, ... because, for one, I would like to see a sequel. -- For me, the BEST moments were the small Hellboy character moments ... like the rooftop scene with Hellboy and the kid, spying on the "couple" below. There's an element to Hellboy that I associate with the Thing (of the Fantastic Four), ... one of my childhood favorites. There's a certain tragic element to the character, ... a desire, perhaps a need, for true love. But he can only look ever so longingly ... because of what he is. It's a heart-tugging element of the character which should have been a real draw for this movie, ... but our view is more distant than we (or at least, I) really want it to be. -- Let me tell you, ... for a 60 million dollar movie, the production values ... the costume and set designs were all superbly executed. The movie really looked like a comic book come to life, which is one of the greatest compliments I can give. However, for me, what was so lacking was the action ... which was unspectacular and lacked ANY intensity (...an element which I hope is in full throttle for "BATMAN Begins"). And Hellboy should have had moments of true dramatic intensity. -- I think I would have actually preferred to NOT see "the whole picture" of what Hellboy and his crew were up against until the third act of the film, ... allowing more discovery along the way and expanding our focus on Hellboy, ... giving us more of those little Hellboy character moments to draw us in (even further). -- This could have been a VERY GOOD movie. But as is, I can only say that it rates "fair" to "fairly good", ... while still worthy of seeing, and worthy of a sequel. -- Now, if only enough comic book geeks like myself actually go see it.

  • April 3, 2004, 9:16 a.m. CST

    There is no missing reel, The answer is simple...

    by Mad Hamish

    Hellboy was beat down by the Sammaels and Liz Sherman blacks out whenever she goes all Barrymore, like she revealed a couple of scenes earlier. It helps to pay attention to the movie, people......or be a graduate of the X-Files School of Deductive Plot Reasoning, from which I have a degree in Narrative Shorthand.

  • April 3, 2004, 10:19 a.m. CST

    3 out of 4 stars. What I thought and the Left Hand of Doom/Wilh

    by darth jobu

    1) Pretty darn sure it was a Wilhelm scream. Unless you tell me youre the sound designer, I think Im correct. 2)When I say the "film is flipped", I was inferring that the editor flipped it on purpose. 3) My thoughts on it: Negative: The quest of the movie was very secondary to the main characters inner conflict. To make matters worse, the goals of the principal antagonists were blurred by their struggle to turn Hellboy to their side. Hellboy's decision to choose his own identity became more concrete than the threat of the monsters, gods, and bad guys. Now that they got this straight, and we know Hellboy's decision, lets hope that the sequel will come after Hellboy with a real threat. Positive: Not alot of movies inspire me to opening night. The hype drove me to investigate this character which I had seen on the comic rack but had never read. I always wondered why he wore red goggles on his forehead. The relationship I developed with this character inspired me to go see it tonight. Hellboy and I have a connection. We can relate to being different than other people, being generally in a bad mood, and truly connect with only a handful people in our lives. I had very high expectations based on the reviews, and I wasnt too disappointed. While I wasnt knocked out of the park in Return of the King fashion, the characters and story are so well developed, tremendous and strong enough to elicit some misty-eyed moments, Connie and I concluded this will be part of our DVD collection and we are ready for a sequel. No doubt, if you like Ron Perlman, you will like Hellboy. He owns the part. There is no big screen Hellboy without Perlman. Comic books love to hate Nazi's, and this movie is no different. Its the same feeling I get from Raiders..."I hate those guys". To really appreciate Hellboy, you also have to enjoy monsters. Good old plain tentacled monsters that arent aliens, just evil incarnate. "Sammael, the Hellhound of Ressurection". Yeah. I think Im going to go read some more HP Lovecraft. I have read some Lovecraft and Robert E Howard wierd tales in tha past. In addition to the characters, the design and atmosphere of Hellboy really grabs you by the booboo. It is dark. Dark is where evil slumbers until awaken (a cheesy paraphrase of Prof Bruttenholm). Hundreds of hazy religious symbols, crucifixes, friezes and frescos dot the shadows peaking out to lend a heavy historical and religious tone to the darkness. You know alot of evil has been battled through the years. A real sense of despair and depth of history lurks around every corner though you dont really learn any specifics except whats relevant to the story at hand. Thats a nice touch. A feel that there is more to this universe than just what you are witnessing. There are monsters in this movie. Very fluid, non-descript monsters that are right out of a nightmare. Tentacles and eyes everywhere. Monsters that when killed spawn two in their place. Monsters that are slumbering gods from another dimension bent on reducing our reality to hell on earth. Oh how I have always loved being creeped out by monster movies. Hellboys adversaries did a pretty good job of creeping us out. Connie melted her raisinettes from hugging the box so much. Though my years have taken me beyond the point of any lasting impact, it was fun to imagine what the 7-year old kid sitting next to me is going to dream about tonight. There were some pretty intense sequences. This movie has alot more substance than flash, and it is loaded with flash.

  • April 3, 2004, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Now Abe I enjoyed

    by Terry_1978

    That's how special effects are used...not just animatronics, not just CGI, but a combo of both. Abe has the coolest eyes this side of Gollum, with that dead doll's eyes stare masking the upper crust genius underneath. If he ever got a spin-off, I'd be first in line. As far as the rest, I think Del Toro did capture much of what Hellboy is, the pancake scene had people applauding, which told me the majority of the theatre were fans of the book. Hellboy's wisecracks are what I kind of expected of Spider-Man, the first time around, though I hear tell he gets more smarmy in the sequel. I'll probably give this one another look tonight...and Kroenen....sweet mother of buddha!

  • April 3, 2004, 11:01 a.m. CST

    hellboy.......hell no!!!!

    by simongarth2001

    it was weak. the script needed ALOT more fine tuning. great makeup, great mood and sets.....just poor execution. oh well....dems da breaks. 5 out of 10.

  • April 3, 2004, 12:14 p.m. CST

    hey Mad Hamish

    by Manaqua

    Deductive plot reasoning is one thing, but how about a complete and utter disregard for continuity. One second the heroes are kicking ass and the next second they're in chains? WTF is that? People actually yelled 'bullshit' at the screen. I've never seen so many people walk out of a theater to complain to the manager that there was a projectionist error. And your telling me these professional filmmakers actually cut this fucking movie this way? Fuck I could edit this film better than that. I hold del toro in the highest regard, but if indeed it turns out that the edit was intended, then it has got to be a classic case of being too close to a project for too long and losing all objectivity. To even say it was a leap of logic would imply there was any logic. There HAD to be some missing scenes or del toros stock goes waaay down. Simply horrible. CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE CHIME IN AND TELL ME IF ALL THE PRINTS HAD THE SAME HORRIBLE EDIT? IS THERE MISSING SCENES? I waited 2 years for this? I would give it a B, but if the edit is intentional it gets a D. M

  • April 3, 2004, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Excellent. But the crowd I was with....

    by MajorMajor

    I dug the hell out of this movie. Pearlman was GREAT. The look of the film was right on. Art direction, faithfullness to the source, Great. Great stuff I remember that had me happy. Rasputins rebirth, the blood filling that celtic symbol on the floor. The armageddon vision, whale diameter tentacles waving from the sky. Hellboy getting three stooged every time he had a fight, like the subway hitting his head. Cats jumping into Hellboy's lap. Hellboy's "pad" at the bereau constantly filled with food (even though we only see him eat the kids cookies). Hey, just great attention to detail with magic at every turn. But the people I saw it with, people in the video game industry with at least some appreciation for fantasy and sci-fi , were almost all underwhelmed. Two of the more sarcastic types called it shit and said they thought it's never end. Yeesh. But the bad news about that sampling, maybe unscientific, is that this movie is not going to do well enough to start a franchise. Man I hate that. I could see a lot of Hellboy movies. This is the kind of movie I'll watch every time it's on TV even though I already own the DVD. I'd compare Hellboys eventual perception to something like Bladerunner, where people are initially unenthused but a core audience builds for the film remains for years and years.

  • April 3, 2004, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I liked the HELLBOY movie a lot , but I have some questions (spo

    by FrankDrebin

    [1] Why did Rasputin awaken the hellhound? Just to kill off some of the BPRD personnel? 'Cuz he only needed Hellboy for his plan. [2] When Hellboy fries the hound, it regenerates. When Liz fries the hound, it doesn't. So why would Rasputin help her return to the BPRD? [3] Broom said he handpicked Myers from out of 70 agents to be HB's assistant. Why? I thought maybe Myers would surprise the bad guys with some kind of paranormal ability of his own, but nope. I think Agent Myers was a studio addition, like Agent Sawyer was in LXG--a token "normal" for the audience to identify with--an "outsider" who has the plot explained to him for our benefit.

  • April 3, 2004, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Good Questions

    by Ribbons

    Yeah, I was kind of wondering about the first two meself.

  • April 3, 2004, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Okay, I posted my questions about the HELLBOY movie, so here's w

    by FrankDrebin

    [1] Ron Perlman was excellent, even buried under a ton of prosthetics. [2] The garbage truck. [3] The design of Abe. [4] Selma's "haunted" look. [5] HB pegs Myers in the head with a rock. [6] The CB handles, "red" and "Sparky". [7] Jeffrey Tambor. He was annoying was annoying at the start--in "mutant hater" mode--but great at the end. ("Always use a wooden match.") I hope you all caught the small scene stuck in the end credits. ("Hello? I'm still here!")

  • Nice little semi-coda poking fun at the fact that he's completely vanished for most of the third act.

  • April 3, 2004, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Missing scenes

    by Fuzzyjefe

    First off, REALLY enjoyed this movie, but I am a huge fan of the comics. I can understand how many of the uninitiated will not like this movie. You really have to i.d. with Meyers, and PAY ATTENTION to get necessary info. You only learn what he is told about these characters, because, just like him, you are coming in after these guys have been together for years. Although, you really do get the feeling that HB, Abe, and Liz have been together for a long time, and seen a whole lot of bizarre stuff.----As for the people asking about a missing scene between the Sammael frizzle-fry and the heroes capture: there must have been a missing scene. In the cut I saw, there is a scene with Meyers waking up after the explosion and overhearing Ilsa and Rasputin talking about how they are all unconscious after Liz's little pyro show. She then notices Meyers waking up, and I believe she hits him again, or else he just passes out. Fade to black, fade in on Meyers in chains and Hellboy in the stocks. I hope that helps. The Fuzzy one out.

  • April 3, 2004, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Horrible Edit

    by azscott

    I saw the same missing scene that Manaqua saw. There was no scene in which Myers wakes up and hears Rasputin and Ilsa talking. Liz is doing her fire mojo thing,burning up all the egges, Myers is cowering behind the rock, then - BOOM - jump cut to a closup of Ilsa, then the wide shot of the chapel-like setting where Rasputin has everyone chained up. I was firmly convinced that the reels had been switched, and the middle of the movie would play after the credits had rolled. And no, this was NOT just a matter of missing the obvious "narrative shorthand" that Liz blacked out. This was an error on the print! It really ruined the movie for me, too. With that jump cut, I just felt like the whole ending was cheapened, like I was missing a huge part of the plot. From Fuzzyjefe's post, it sounds like there was only a minute or so missing, but it felt like at least 10 minutes were cut out! I coplained to 3 managers who said the film was the same all over town (Phoenix). Is it possible that a large number of prints could have been mis-printed like this? Somebody needs to clear this up, and then figure out who owes me my $6.50 and who is going to get fired over this! What really pisses me off is that nobody at the theater would take any responsibility for it. One of them even claimed that it was just bad editing. I refuse to believe that unless somebody proves that that was how the film was intended to be seen. I feel really sorry for Guillermo Del Toro, beacause thousands of people are going get 4/5th of the way through the film, just to go "what the hell was that?" It was horrible - just horrible.

  • April 3, 2004, 5:32 p.m. CST

    I can understand holding some stuff back for the DVD, but it sou

    by Serious Black

    I wasn't sure whether I would see Hellboy in the theater or not, but after hearing about all the complaints, I think it'll be best to wait for the DVD. I love seeing deleted scenes reinserted into the "Director's Cut" version of movies, but I have a real problem with the current trend of deliberately whittling down the theatrical release (so that the plot borders on the nonsensical) with the intent of offering us the director's "true vision" when the DVD comes out. It's insulting. As much as I enjoyed The Return of the King, I really felt that movie suffered (more than the other two) from the cuts they made.

  • April 3, 2004, 5:35 p.m. CST

    To Manaqua and Azscott: it does sounds like the print you saw (i

    by FrankDrebin

    And I think I figured out the answer to my own question about Rasputin wanting Liz back at the BPRD. He wanted "Red & Sparky" to resume their romance, so he could use her as a bargaining chip at the end to get HB to open the lock. Anyway, I hope the movie makes a bundle so we get a sequel. And I don't see any reason why Kronen can't return--even with the big gear HB dropped on him (and the little gear Tambor dropped on him).

  • April 3, 2004, 5:37 p.m. CST

    edit

    by Fuzzyjefe

    Azscott: Yeah, I should have specified the length of the scene that was missing. It was only around 45 seconds-1 minute, but at least it lets you know what the hell happened. I don't know if this makes any difference, or if this chain is in anyone's town, but I saw the movie at our town's (Birmingham, AL) Rave theatre. I can imagine how confused and pissed off missing those few seconds would make someone, because it would have been jarring, looking back, if we hadn't seen it. It's funny how such a tiny fragment of a film can really screw the whole thing up.

  • April 3, 2004, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Retrosyle

    by Fuzzyjefe

    Glad you figured out the Liz angle of Rasputin's little plan. As far as the Hellhounds go, they were let loose to draw Hellboy out, give him a trail to start on so that Kroenen could leave his little clues (scraps of paper) to lead them to Rasputin's tomb in Russia, and into the catacombs where the locking device was. But that leads me to my only question: if the chamber where the ceremony was held was underground, why was it open-air? You could see the moon in the sky overhead. I suppose it was just connected to the catacombs, but above ground. And with that leap in logic, I have answered my own query. Anyway, the coolest, absolute most Mignola moment in the movie to me was the huge glass prison of the Ogdruu-jahad. That was just friggin awesome. Straight off the comic book page.

  • April 3, 2004, 8:22 p.m. CST

    As I suspected. Looks like some bad prints floating around.

    by Manaqua

    I saw the flick opening night in Seattle so it wasn't a preview. I feel for del Toro as well. These bad prints are gonna give some bad press. Completely jarring. I appreciate the posters chiming in with their experiences! Peace. M

  • April 3, 2004, 11:23 p.m. CST

    bad print

    by darth jobu

    We in Houston got the print with Meyers waking after Liz' flamout and Ilsa speaking. That seemed like a jarring cut. How the hell did Meyers escape the flames when the charred Sammael skull was right next to him. irk.

  • April 4, 2004, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Memo to Harry "some-of-my-best-friends-are-Mexicans" Knowles:

    by FelatioHornblowr

    Get on the crank with your pal del Toro and find out what's up with the blankety-blank effed-up editing job on this turkey. I've not been so pissed on leaving a theater since Spielberg's cinematic abortion "The Lost World: Jurassic Park 2."

  • April 4, 2004, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Gotta Hand It To Ron Perlman...

    by Willie Garvin

    It's a pretty good flick. It almost makes up for when he almost ran Marvel into the ground. Or was that someone else? Which one's married to Ellen Barkin?

  • April 4, 2004, 10:36 a.m. CST

    tentacles suck

    by Damer1

    and so does this film. *1/2

  • April 4, 2004, 11:33 a.m. CST

    the cuts

    by kingink123

    The cut where John wakes up was a bit jarring, but then a lot of what happened in the movie was hard to follow, and I'm a big Hellboy fan. When I left the theater, my mind was buzzing from overload. There was just way to much to focus on in the film. I'm hoping that when I see it a second time, I can relax and just enjoy the story instead of looking at all the wonderful effects and production design. Did anyone else have the same reaction?

  • April 4, 2004, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Looks like Hellboy won't even clear a $30M opening weekend.

    by Gere's AssGerbil

    Too bad. It's not good for a studio when one of its major releases can't beat the weak opening of the Scooby-Doo sequel. I guess the Rock did some damage even though he ultimately lost. HB is gonna be lucky to do Daredevil numbers. Can anyone say "straight-to-video" sequel?

  • April 4, 2004, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Hey Lusicous

    by IAmLegolas

    "I hope it feels so good to be right. There's nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the shortcomings of others, is there?"

  • April 4, 2004, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Decided to wait 'til the DVD comes out to see this

    by Serious Black

    I just hope that they release the extended version first and don't pull try to screw us by shipping out the theatrical release and then come out with the longer, better, more logical version a year later. I really hate that. Also, based on lousy opening and poor word of mouth (okay, I only talked to two people, but they both thought it was ho-hum) it looks like they're won't be a sequel. Which is good news. I hate sequels.

  • April 4, 2004, 11:15 p.m. CST

    convoluted plot

    by Rupee88

    The plot was way too busy...and why does every comic book movie involve saving the entire world...it is just overkill. The final battle was very anticlimactic. It was not a bad movie, but not a really good one either. It just fell flat, although it is amazing that it even got made.

  • April 4, 2004, 11:41 p.m. CST

    the cut wasn't that jarring

    by Rupee88

    I had no problem seeing HB and Myers chained up after Liz fried the Sammuels. Sure it wasn't the best way to move the plot along, but I just assumed that everyone was unconscious and the bad guys came and picked them up and chained them. I did have the thought that Myers would have gotten fried in that room though when Liz starting sending huge fireballs through it. But this was just lazy filmmaking and it was not a big flaw. The movie was worse than I thought it would be, but I wasn't expecting much, so I wasn't really that disappointed. I can't believe it is getting such great reviews.

  • April 5, 2004, 6:32 a.m. CST

    This movie is already fading from my memory banks...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...very formulaic, and frankly, I'm set for CGI crawlies and critters for the duration (f**k Van Helsing). One wonderful scene in an otherwise run-of-the-mill movie: when Hellboy tracks Meyer and Liz on rooftop, muttering petulantly the entire way. THAT worked. If the whole movie had been in that same deconstructive vein, I'd think it was worth Harry and Co's (now embarrassing) build-up.

  • I saw HELLBOY over the weekend with my wife and another married couple, with me as the only one who knew anything about the characters. Overall the film got a general "Ennnh" reaction, with the guys thinking it was better than THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN and the girls thinking LEAGUE was better. Me, I thought HELLBOY looked incredible with some stunning visuals and makeup, but the pacing just draaaaaags and the dialogue falls flat in several places. Plus, why show Hellboy with pancakes and not actually eating any? Del Toro definitely needs someone looking over his shoulder at all times...

  • April 5, 2004, 8:56 a.m. CST

    My beef with Hellboy

    by Cerebud

    Here's my beef with Hellboy A nice film overall, but pandering too much to the moviegoing crowd. It didn't feel like the comics for many reasons. Here's a short rundown: 1. No romance in the comics (I know it was touched on in the novel, but Mignola didn't write those). No time for love when you're kicking monster butt. 2. Kroenen and Sammael don't seem like they'd fit in the comic. Kroenen seem like he'd be in X-Men. When has Hellboy had martial arts fight scenes??? 3. The corpse was underused, and why weren't there more cool skeletons, vampires, goblins, witches, etc... 4. Hellboy isn't locked up in the comics. I liked how the comic just assumed that the world just accepts him as he is. Nobody treats him like a mutant. 5. Blade 2 seemed to have more 'Mignola' moments than HB did 6. Not spooky enough, just tons of action. 7. No fairytale or folklore elements in the story. 8. Most of HB takes place in the city, but HB never hangs out there. He's mostly in neat churches, cemetaries, villages, etc. I know that not everything in the comics would translate to film, but that's just a laundry list of things that made Hellboy (the comic) what it is for me. Hellboy just didn't seem like Hellboy to me. I think the sequel would be much better though. Perlman was great, Abe was very cool (I don't remember him having powers though, and since when is Hellboy fireproof!??). Let's hope the next one will be spooky, have more gothic elements, and not have HB being locked up.

  • April 5, 2004, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Hellboy AKA Harry's to chicken shit to badmouth his Hollywood fr

    by MrInsidious

    To the Masses: I love this site. But I have to be honest. I feel like it has gone from the Outside guerilla reporting that I love, to the "Oh, look at me, Im Harry, and now im producing and hanging out with my good friends GDT, and Roberto. Look at my big geenis" Im sorry Harry that you feel that you must worship everything that your south-of-the-border friends do. Im sorry that you cant review movies without letting your friendships cloud your judgment. I read your review for Blade 2, you described in the contex of an oral pleasure session. You must give or get horrible brain. Both Hellboy and Blade 2 stunk to high heaven. I dont know what the hell is going on around here, but all semblance of objective reporting has gone right out the window. Have no fear though Harry, im sure any feelings of guilt will quickly be eroded by your next royalty check. I miss the Harry I remember. Only to be replaced by what I fear is nothing but another sellout.

  • There WERE holes in the plot, and the end seemed forced, but Ron WAS Hellboy. Bruttenholm, Sapien, Sherman, Kroenen OWNED. I put this just under X2 and above Spiderman as my fave Comicbook adaptations. The Giant Tentacles in the sky were FU***NG cool as well. And the stone toss had everyone in the PACKED theatre laffin' out loud.

  • April 6, 2004, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Ribbons ... (spoilers ahead) ...

    by Ronnie_Dobbs

    What Del Toro apparently doesn't get about Lovecraft (at least the most important and glaring thing) is that you absolutely CAN NOT kill a Great Old One with fucking grenades!!! as Hellboy does at the end. Even so, based on the look of the apocalyptic flashforward that John Hurt sees in the second act, as well as GDT's comments in the interview, I would LOVE to see him tackle MOUNTAINS. Overall, I would say HELLBOY was pretty cool, but very flawed; better than THE HULK, but nowhere near the X-MEN movies.

  • April 6, 2004, 7:42 p.m. CST

    This movie was damn shallow

    by Durendal

    It was okay, but it could have been a helluva lot better if they didn't spend 2 seconds on each plot point or character, then move on to something else without letting the audience catch their breath. Why wait for 60 years to bring Rasputin back? What the hell was with the "sacred place" in the Himalayas? The movie never answers this, among many other questions. What about the hellhound? After Ilsa cooks them all, wont they just sprout up again with twice as many? The movie just forgets things when it's convenient. Abe Sapien was cool but ultimately unneccessary the way the put him in. He came in, did his piece, then left, leaving the audience wondering just what the hell happened to him. The movie spends too much time in some areas and not nearly enough in others. The pacing sucked. There isn't enough explanation as to what the hell is going on and too much just sitting around, like the scene where Hellboy is following Ilsa around. I'm sure if I had read the comics that I'd have a better idea, but reading the comic should not be a prerequisite to seeing a damn movie! It should be able to stand on its own, and Hellboy didn't.

  • April 8, 2004, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Possible Explanation of Missing Scene

    by SonOfJorel

    This same thing happened to one of the other managers when he put a movie together at the theater I used to work at. I