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A spy that knows zombies, reviews the DAWN OF THE DEAD remake!
Hey folks, Harry here... below you'll find a review of the DAWN OF THE DEAD remake. That being said, the reviewer is someone with great knowledge concerning Zombies and the Zombie world. That being said... I had a wonderful conversation with the director of SHAUN OF THE DEAD today, and ya know - I wish I had a tape recorder - because the hour or so we spent going through zombie films would have made for great transcribing.... though - that vacation through Spaghetti Westerns, history of British Comedies and Mel Brooks was awfully fun too. Personally, that's the film I'm looking forward to. SPACED is brilliant... besides, his Zombies lumber and lumbering zombies rock! Here ya go...
This contains spoliers so…sorry!
Ok, so…after sitting in the theater for the LA premiere of DAWN OF THE DEAD, I allowed my mind to travel back to my first viewing of DAWN at the Gateway Theater in Pittsburgh…home of George Romero.
The two things that struck me IMMEDIATELY upon viewing the original were the groundbreaking make-up effects by Tom Savini, and the finesse of Romero’s vision of an apocalyptic end of the world. As one character puts it so succinctly, “They (the zombies) are us!” It was Romero’s intent to portray the zombie society as a vision of today’s culture and depict how we are “lambs” led to slaughter by the Malls significant “temple of consumerism”. George himself will tell you that many people have read into this, but it was the social commentary that catapulted the original film to such a respected position in movie history.
Now let’s talk about the remake…slick…yes, scary…not really, does it deliver as a zombie movie…sure…BUT IT’S NOT DAWN OF THE DEAD. The saturated look (that changes from scene to scene), sped up camera work and fast moving zombies convey none of what the zombie mythos has established. Now, I’m all for re-imaging these characters…but so much was lost (or discarded haphazardly) that the idea that these are our neighbors and friends turning to consume us is completely gone. It feels like the film-makers got a copy of 28 DAYS LATER and said…”that’s what we should do…that’s what kids today will get!”. Gone are the characters of the zombies themselves established 25 years ago…hare-krishna zombie, nurse zombie, business suit zombie…these guys just look like extras with some fake blood and off the rack clothes thrown on them. Gone are any interaction between humans and zombies aside from 1 or 2 instances…most of them are shot and that’s it…no “screw-driver in the ear” zombie…no “machete zombie”…95% of the time they are shot and fall down. Because they move so fast you never really get what they are…there is no personality in these creatures and we never know why they want to eat you when they could just swarm over you and crush you under their weight.
My biggest complaint is that I felt individually the characters were ok…the quiet, cool cop; the vulnerable yet efficient nurse…but as an ensemble…I never really felt any connection between any of them…and having Sarah Polley shoot the zombie Steve and get satisfaction out of it…that drew as much emotion as the completely wasted Matt Frewer who shows up and dies in the space of 10 minutes…and we’re supposed to feeling something?
It struck me that not once did anyone question what was happening…they just all stand around watching tv without barely even discussing a plan. In the original, you really felt that Roger and Peter were friends…you had seen them in combat together and when Roger dies, you feel it with Peter…this film misses that mark so far that it is more about guessing who is going to die next and how…but not really caring where or when. A blonde character (whose name is never even spoken…but according to IMDB it’s Monica), shows up, fucks Steve (Ty Burrell), and then dies in the planned escape (the best make-up effect in the film) but I really didn’t care cause I didn’t invest in her whatsoever. It also struck me that not once did anyone question what was happening…they just all stand around watching tv without barely even discussing a plan. Voice-overs don’t cut it to explain off the end of the world.
The zombie baby sequence was inevitable… but the one credit I will give this film is that it was handled well (via an effective digital shot).
On the effects note…the zombies (for what we see of them) look great…but lack any personality…or threat for that matter. I also found it interesting that the 2 best received effects (a zombie getting his head blown off and a high wide shot of an exploding propane tank taking out zombies) were accomplished digitally.
In a forced attempt to appease the legion of fans unsure about this remake, the filmmakers threw in cameos by Tom Savini, Scott Reiniger and Ken Foree…but to me they felt like they were there just to get the fans into the theater. It speaks volumes that they even are credited before the main cast. Hearing Ken recite the famous tag line “When there’s no more room in hell…” almost got a laugh. Missing was the moment of our 4 survivors looking over the balcony at what they had fought for and Ken’s voodoo interpretation…now it’s just something to get the audience to cheer (or boo). There was no soul to it at all. And the in jokes…a store called GAYLEN ROSS…come on…is that the best you could do?
I am always up for a good horror film, and the anticipation of the movie-going experience…and this definitely blows RESIDENT EVIL out of the water, but doesn’t hold a candle to 28 DAYS LATER…which in my opinion is a true “re-imagining”. Maybe this should just be called ANOTHER 28 DAYS LATER.
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And remember they can never take the original away.
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...in HELL! Or when it comes out on DVD, whichever is first. No way am I plunking down theater bucks to see a mediocre retread.
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Mar 12, 2004 7:19:46 AM CST
I want to see them make Max Brooks' Zombie Survival Guide into a
by dogsoup
Fuck running zombies. Zombies don't run the shamble. Thier ankles are rotting off so they HAVE to shamble.They sure as fuck don't run. Have fun guys, because a running zombie will never get my money.
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Right there with you.I also saw the original at the Gateway on premier friday. Had friends who worked at Monroeville Mall at the time, Dormed at Point Park College (where they filmed a few stairwell scenes)It might have been the familiarity with the film, but the commercials for this just don't compel me to the theatre.
Best line? "before you shoot me, make damn sure I'm dead!"
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Anything's better than Resident Evil.
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in whatever he does. ... This guy is the most over rated actor I've ever seen. His skill are tooth clicking and sounding like a hysterical woman or more so little girl when his char is supposed to be excited or afraid. ... And he is always the same, no matter the role or part. 10 mins of Matt Frewer is 10 mins to much.
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I love zombie movies! God bless George Romero! I love his dead trilogy, and I'm a fan of the 'Return' movies too. But lately, the whole zombie genre seems to be waining and lacking seriously. I didn't really care for 28 Days Later. The first half hour was ok. But I have to agree, this wasn't really even a zombie movie. Resident Evil was just ok. I like the make up effects. I won't even go into the steaming pile of celuloid called House Of The Dead. (Two hours of my life I'll never get back) But after seeing the trailer for Dawn Of The Dead, I got a feeling this one might be pretty decent. I got a creepy feeling from the trailer, which is something I didn't get from any of the trailers from the other zombie movies recently. I still haven't decided if I'll see this one on the big screen or wait till the DVD, but either way, I'm going to give it a chance. Thank you for your time.
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28 Days Later was a big pile of shit, Dawn of the Dead remake will be the feel good movie of the year.
Harry- Fast zombies kick the shit out of your slow ones. -
though certainly NOT a classic, it did convey an entertaining action/horror element that was deliberately remniscient of Aliens.
28 Days Later, however, is the barely entertaining bore, whereby the most interesting tidbit about the production was the fact that it was produced using consumer level digital cameras, albeit expensive ones.
as for this new "Dawn", yes, its a travesty that instead of funding Romero's fourth zombie project, the studio chooses to do a cookie cutter remake of one of his films, without his participation of course.
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Mar 12, 2004 8:42:04 AM CST
Dang! I'm running out of movies to look forward to this year...
by frankdrebin
April: KILL BILL 2 & HELLBOY. May: SHREK 2 (depending on whether I want to suffer thru another Mike Myers movie). June: SKY CAP. July: SPIDEY 2, ANCHORMAN & maybe THE VILLAGE. August: BLADE 3. September: CONSTANTINE & A SOUND OF THUNDER. October: RES EVIL 2. November: THE INCREDIBLES. And that's about it.
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In fact, they met each other for the first time onscreen in the original when the swat team entered that building. You know, the 'people in room 2b will do what you want now' scene.
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...that "I, Robot" blasphemy..."Bland Helsing...Thomas Jane doing his best Dolph Lundgren impersonation... yep! Looks like Hollywood's serving up yet another malodorous, steaming, fly-attracting "Summer of Stool"!
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loser. Does this mean we get to see the same post on every message board again today? NO ONE GIVES A FUCK! And as for paying for this flick, got my free passes for the sneak preview this Monday from Nick and the gang at CHUD, so no worries for me suckas!!
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This review brings nothing new to the table, all of this can be found beforehand.
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I'll say I was really surprised at the Dawn trailer. Nothing will replace the original, but I will go into the movie with an open mind. There really is an interesting question if you think about running versus shambling zombies. Freshly infected dead people (before rigor, any decay or embalming) might actually be able to 'run' since their bodies are subject to less or no decay. But all zombies as time progresses would become shamblers. Physically speaking, of course. Now as a shamblers vs runners as an allegory for society is a different question. The other thing all zombie movies have in common is good weather. Show me a zombie movie in a Vermont winter or an Arizona summer! Zombies would extremely defenseless in any type of non-temperate environment.
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Subsequently, it comes as no surprise that when Universal has a 're-imagining' of DOTD made it goes for the thrillride, action-packed and thematically meaningless seat filler.
What a lot of the folks who like to snipe against the purists don't know is that more than a few horror films of the 70s, like thier dramatic and comedic counterparts, were social commentaries about thier times.
Now it seems folks want all fluff and no filler. Fine. Drown in movie theatre butter substitute. These are probably the same people who thought the effects in 'The Passion' were cool, but the story was too deep.
To the faithful I say: good survival horror will only be financed if it makes box office. So remember to please both the true fans and the thrill-addicted masses.
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You rock. sk
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fuck zack snyder. that's all
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Mar 12, 2004 10:14:40 AM CST
Yes, digital effects. Remember the days when we'd be saying 'Oh
by theginger twit
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See, this news story (which I am unsure about it's relation to zombiee movies), just goes to show, if you are going to mistreat prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, take them out back and shoot them when you're done. Then we can have an "Attack of the Al-Queda Zombies" flick.
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or to be an uber-fan of Zombie movies in general. I find that people who are rigid fans of the original Dawn and Romero "Dead" movies are finding this movie to be lacking and are usually the ones who "hate" it's existence. No thanks, I'm going to watch this movie (having not yet seen the original & having no strong feelings about running Zombies) and I think it'll probably be an entertaining movie. Anger leads to Hate young padawans.
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Mar 12, 2004 11:08:15 AM CST
STOP Already With the "This Doesn't Conform to the Zombie Rule!"
by hipcheck13
There ARE NO zombie rules. Romero's movie set a precident, but I don't see any legal code stating: 1) Zombies MUST "shamble;" speed-walking and/or running is NOT permitted and certainly NOT in keeping with the reality of a zombie." Er...this is a movie, OK? You're suspending disbelief by agreeing that the dead come back to life, but don't stretch it, OK?
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i thought 28 day was really bad i mean it strted with such promise but after the soliders show up the whole tone of the film shifts and destroys it. it coudl have been so much better. braindead there a good zombie movie
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This is just another over-hyped POS that will open big and disappear in two weeks. Anyone expecting a good movie will be disappointed. Anybody expecting it to be worthy of it`s namesake should have his/her ass kicked.
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okay so the al-queda prisoners are mistreated, we got it. but my question for you is are we supposed to feel sorry for any of them? when 3 thousand lives were lost because of some stupid religious war. hey troops, you can parade naked whores at me anytime you want. i'm sorry if i'm insensitive, but these fuckers supported a devestating attack that killed innocent people of all walks of life. tell me that the janitors and store clerks and security guards were responsible for 3rd world poverty. when working class america is attacked we have to fight back. if you don't like our government then get out in vote in november, because that's what i'm doing.
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Zombies move slowly because They. Are. DEAD. Get it? They are rotting, decomposing, muscles breaking down, OK? Idiots.
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I thought the new Dawn was a solid remake compared to how many awful ones that are out there. I was expecting it to be much, much worse. Instead, I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it. But you're right, it lacks the characterization, social commentary, and witty humor of the original. But it ain't half bad if you ask me.
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What does a freed prisoner who supposedely got beaten have to do with zombie carnage? Why do people bring politics into discussions about movies (unless the movies are political of course)? There are political web sites where you can post your frusrations with the American government but please keep it out of a discussion about the new Dawn of the Dead. All it does is turn the talkback into a screaming match.
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or whatever you name is, Roger and Peter were indeed friends by the time Roger died. That's what we refer to as character development.
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I am a HUGE Romero fan, and I would love the 4th dead film to see the light of day. How many people here think that if this movie does well at the box office, that Romero's project will have a better chance of getting financed? You have to remember these corporate a$$holes only care about money. If they think that walking dead movies are "in" then we'll see more of them. I will see it in the theatres not only to check it out, but in hopes it makes money so that Romero's film has a better chance of being made.
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Write to your congressman, write to the FCC, SAVE HOWARD STERN! Notch out.
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There can be some explanation on fast moving zombies and I always wished that they could explain this in movies instead of just saying that the zombies run fast. Heres my theory: If a movie wanted to put in fast zombies they should explain why they are fas=t. Personally, I'd love to see a movie made with fast moving zombies AND slow zombies. heres the deal I always thought of. Sinec slow moving zombies are already dead, then only there brain comes alive, hence they move slower bc they have already been dead for quite some time and there bodies are decompossing. However, people who get bitten and turn should become fast zombies b/c they never really died nor did their heart and they can still pump blood to the the body allowing them to go fast! I would love for this kind of thing to play out b/c it mixes both views accurately
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All things come to an end.
Howard had a good run.
But afaic he's not shocking any more.
He's not that funny any more.
He's not that entertaining any more.
He's done it all and defecated on it.
Maybe it's time for him to go bye bye.
Howard, walk away with dignity.
Don't let them drag you away while you shriek hysterically like a woman...
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So the zombies lacked personality? Let me think about that for a while. Hmmm...
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...being "tortured" by having naked women paraded in front of them... Reminds me of that Monty Python Spanish Inquisition torture sketch: "Cardinal Biggles... Bring me -- the COMFY CHAIR!!!" That must be the only form of torture that can be stopped by closing your eyes. These prisoners are the same losers whose idea of heaven is having dozens of virgins at their disposal. Only misogynistic, chauvanistic, maladjusted religious freaks with poor confidence in their sexual capacity would rather have a bevy of virgins than 72 women who know what they're doing in the sack. And being beaten? Yeah, they were beaten the same way Aristide was "kidnapped and exiled" by American troops.
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It's been made CRYSTAL CLEAR that the zombies move fast because PEOPLE GET UP AS SOON AS THEY DIE IN THIS ONE, ASSHOLES. THAT MEANS NO MUSCULAR LOSS.
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both 28 Days later and Resident Evil were decent. @8 Days was very good. Rsident was good for what it was.
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Especially Shrink and the other 28-Days-Lata-hatas. No likable characters? Bullshwa. 28 Days Later had probably the best and most sympathetic leads in any "zombie" movie to date. And what's this crap about zombies having to shuffle slowly because they're dead. Hey, nimrods, they're zombies! they've got some chemical, or magic, or radiation, or something animating them, depending on the flick, so having them run fast is no more absurd than having them shamble. it's a stylistic choice, and good and bad movies can be made with either version! sheesh.
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That's what this fast/slow zombie arguement sounds like. Sometimes things are different and can be good. Don't know about 'DOTD the remake' -- will have to have an open mind and find out. You should all try it sometime. Would it be nice if DOTD or other horror films (or any movies for that matter) tried to have social comemntary instead of just mindlessness? Sure. every time? No - sometimes popcorn is just popcorn.
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Sheer numbers are ultimately the zombie's best weapon. My biggest problems with zombie movies for a while has been that they seem to have a dozen zombies (I'm overstating for effect)they move from scene to scene. I wanna see a cool ass shot of a sea of undead humanity - DOTD (the original) had a feeling of overwhelming numbers, as much as budget allowed. If the new DOTD was able to replicate that, that'd be nice. Also, it'd be good to see make-up FX as opposed to the continued overuse of CGI.
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What? They just smeared blue paint onto the extras' faces! How was that groundbreaking? I would have preferred no makeup at all, just let them shuffle and spit up blood...
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The one thing I was relived about in previous zombie movies is that I could probably outrun them for the most part and even have time to stop to rest (like say, Barbara did in the NOTLD remake) ... but yeah, if there's ever a Zombie Apocalypse - and the undead can RUN ... yep, I think humanity is pretty well fucked. Unless you can wait them out to the point where they're legs are rotted. It's also funny how people can accept the premise that a corpse can come to "life" and move around but throw something like them running around & WHOA! suddenly you've gone too far. Give me a break. Giggity, Giggity, Giggity!
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...the only thing worse than a moron is a moron with a political agenda. That may be how "concentration camp" is defined at dictionary.com, but don't pretend for a second that you aren't trying to compare Gitmo to Nazi cancentration camps, which were a hell of a lot harsher than the description you provided. Asshole.
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it does decent business and brings George Romero back into the spotlight so the 4th zombie film can be made. Dawn The Original is a classic. Its one of the best horror films ever made. You know why because it didnt look at itself as a horror movie. It took the stance of putting a real world feel to it . The remake will never be the original it could never be it could never give me the same feeling even if the movie is 5 stars 10/10 because Dawn Of The Dead (1978) is a masterpiece. Ive been to the Monroeville Mall in PA ive been to the country house and land used in Night (1968) So I guess Yes im the exception and near fanatic towards the Dead Trilogy. I heard They were remaking Dawn I was thinking Fucking Eh! Romero doing it and then I hear Huh the guy who did Scobby Doo and well my expectations went down to nother for the remake. Ill be there opening night ill likely see it multiple times unless its a flaming piece of trash just because I wasnt old enough back in the day to see Night,Dawn or Day. I hope this remake gets peoples attention and that Romero can get the money needed to make Reckoning. Comics news and im surprised the League of Whoever hasnt posted that George Romero will be doing a 4 issue storyline for a New DCVertigo Anthology set to start in July.has there been news about IDW Publishing a comic company that created 30 days of Night and Wake The Dead is taking Romero's original Dawn Screenplay and adaptating it into a 3 issue mini series. Anybody reading The Walking Dead from Image Comics an amzing read if your a zombie fan. We are entering hopefully a new era when Horror Movies will become great movies again and just not direct video schlock or about a group of teenagers who are obviouslly either 35 or too pretty they make you wretch get killed crap. Need More Ginger Snaps and Ginger Snaps 2 or we need more movies that capture the feeling.
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Oh, get over it, whoever liked the "origional". The movie was a turd. Social commentary??? Yeah, like a screwdriver to the brain... The origional movie was a total gross-out date movie when it came out, I'm sure. I finally decided to rent it from my public library last year and could hardly believe all the hype. Terrible! The trailer for the new version is light years scarier... I'm sure the new movie will be, too. And more disgusting, as it should be with today's level of special effects.
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Get a fucking life. You want to make some social, up-to-date, CNN commentary, go someplace else. Yeah, posting to an AICN talk back list is a total waste of time, but you raise it to a new level of nothing-better-to-do.
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Not that anyone will read down this far...but looks okay to me. I don't know what the fuss is over the original anyway...it was okay I guess...but I always thought it was overlong and boring as hell in between the "holy shit, Batman" moments.
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Fast moving Stern zombie fights Slow shuffling Bush zombie and his army of slow shuffling right wing Christian zombies. At Camp X-ray, no less! Zombie Stern fights valiantly, but is about to succumb to the sheer force of numbers when the still alive Robin Quivers arrives at the last second and pummels the heads off the slow zombies with her huge lovely cans. Also Jim Cavaziel shows up at the last second as ragged bloody Jesus and heals all the zombies. They all float to heaven in a big musical number. The film ends on a high note and Ashley and Maru Kate Olsen get it on in the most anticipated lesbian sister scene in film history! Orgasmic squirts of joy all around! Everybody wins! Vote fast moving Kerry zombie!
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Shackled for 15 hours with prostitutes hanging around? Thats fucking awesome! I bet you they didnt even have to pay them either! So whats this about running zombies? Over and out.
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Mar 12, 2004 7:41:18 PM CST
28 Days later was good for the first half, complete ass the 2nd
by sexybeast
The first half of the movie was great, then they got to the house with the soldiers and everything got really boring.
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Ayler, go rim ObscureReference's ass... you two were made for each other. Comparing our internment camp to a Nazi death camp? For shame. Bad men are everywhere, but at least we draw the line at the total extermination of another human population with beliefs other than our own. Am I contributing to the degradation of an AICN talkback list? Damn... yes, I am. ZOMBIES RULE! And I LOVE fast zombies! This movie will KICK THE CRAP out of the original (yeah, I got my spelling right...)
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"A camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions. 2. A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions" - Doesn't that describe most jails? They should have been charged and tried a long time ago yes, but you cannot label them "innocent" just because they were not found guilty. Do you believe OJ to be innocent? Some of these people said they were going to Pakistan for a wedding and yet were captured in Afghanistan.
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It wasn't even scary when I was 11. It was just an ok, stupid zombie movie. Bad makeup, bad acting, not scary... This new version look really fun and creepy. Why does everyone get pissed when someone tries to remake a "classic"? They should remake more of them. The 2003 Texas Chainsaw totally improved over the obnoxious original and I'm sure the new Dawn of the Dead will do the same. By the way, Dick Licker, why'd you have to go and insult Buffy in a sad attempt to look cool? It just made you sound like the immature little puss that you probably are.
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one of the best zombie movies ever. com'on, you have to have a zombie movie set in haiti, the birthplace of zombies. why have so few directors gone for this option?
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People keep comparing these two movies. The only similarites are the title, zombies, and a mall. Whereas all Romero's movies involved the same plot. White people are bad, black guys are good, and the zombies are the smartest characters in the picture. Oh, and there's the blue face paint. I will judge the film ON IT'S OWN. The original is way overrated. I like malls to but come on. Drunk bikers for crying out loud.
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Mar 12, 2004 8:51:05 PM CST
"fast moving zombies convey none of what the zombie mythos has e
by iamlegolas
Told ya people (re: last TB about DotD). Slow moving zombies are the shit. Don't fuck with the mythos already established. And the zombies in the trailer look like the out of work actors that hang out at Starbucks on Sunset, all shiny and pretty with their facials and nice clothes. Fuck this movie. Yet another classic remade by hacks with money and mallrats in mind.
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the reason zombie movies are popular is because it is the one horror situation any self proffessed man wouldn't mind being in. You get to take on zombies without the fear of them being stronger or faster than you and therefore there is a greater element of fun involved in killing them. This is also what makes them scary, in zombie movies characters die because of mistakes they make themselves rather that being outwitted or overpowered. Therefore it is our own stupidity which is our downfall (an extension of the post appocaliptic metaphor). Asking a character within a film to do something simple or in this case run away from something slow creates great tension. Fast zombies are not wrong it's just a different type of horror.
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look dude i think if we detained these "innocent kids" it's probably because they were trying to kill our troops. i don't really get how you can blindly accept the word of someone who was on the side of the enemy. look i'm no fan of bush either, i didn't vote for him, and i'm not gonna vote for him, but that doesn't mean that i'm gonna sympathize with foreign combatants. jane fonda did that and my dad, who recieved a purple heart, as well as his u.s. citizenship would like to send her to gitmo. and that's that. you kinda piss me off, because i went to this site to read a review of dawn of the dead 2004, not get into politics. like i said in my previous post, if you don't like what's going on, then get out and vote. in the meantime, let's get back our usual fanboy rants about important stuff, like zombies, mutants, and the fact we all would like to be shackeled up and "tortured" by naked whores.
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I don't care what type of genre the movie is or who it's starring or who directed it or who's got a cameo...if you go into ANY remake with the original weighing heavy on your mind, you are NOT going to enjoy the movie. PERIOD! This reviewer sounds like he went to DOTD for the explicit purpose of comparing it to the original.
I'm also sick of the comparisons to 28 days later. (Once and for all) 28 days later was NOT a zombie movie!
Lastly, on the topic of slow vs. fast zombies, slow zombies are a joke! A 10 year old with a dull butterknife could take out 10 or 15 zombies if the zombies were spaced out enough! I don't understand how this reviewer could talk so badly about the fast zombies ("no personality" and "not scary") yet hold the orignal blue makeup zombies in such high regard.
I don't get how so many people hold the original in such high regard. It was OK but it's talked about by some like it's one of the books of the gospel! "They are us," BIG DEAL! I don't go to a horror movie for social commentary! I go to horror movies to celebrate blood, gore, and violence and if this movie delivers... I don't know about the rest of you but I'll be happy. -
I'm with you! Fuck this administration. And fuck the Nascar watching WWF loving Toby Keith listening upper middle class "christians"! To the camps with wealthy elitists and all drivers of SUV's, they can sit with the other religious extremists in Cuba. Fill the camps with Republicans, Pentecostals, Southern Baptists and anti-family planning Catholic colonists. True freedom for all sometimes means dismembering our democracy so that civilization can progress. Like when the National Guard integrated Little Rock. Sometimes progress happens at the point of a gun. Gay marriage by gunpoint if necessary. Socialized medicine by bayonette! Condoms and pills/patches/I.U.D.'s for all! Stop global breeding, ban gasoline in five years, and keep jobs in America. Re-educate and mobalize the poor, and federalize the universities! Yank fable and fiction from our textbooks of science, and put the Koran, Bible, Torah, Vedas, Eddas, and all religious texts under "fiction" and preface them all with a memorium to the seven billion in 4000 years who have died in the name of the words therein. Liberals are weak. Conservatives are the historical evil of our entire civilization. Colonists, slavers, theocrats, butchers, inquisitioners, censorers, genocidists, worshipers of wealth and power... The evil that men have done was all done in the name of conservatism.
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Whats a zombie to do? quote Shakespeare?
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Who the Hell is Matt Frewer?
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Thanks for some common sense in this TB. Also, thanks for your P.S. which made me laugh out loud.
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...AICN resident political wacko. Rather than describing this cretin's racist and maniacal views in length for those here who don't know him, I'll just refer you to the Leni Riefenstahl obituary TB,where you can see what he's like for yourselves. Among several telling posts is the one where he sends off Leni with a "heil hitler."
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A well spoken, logical and cogent argument for the concept of the slow moving "comsuming" zombie"
And 28 Days Later did a fine job re-imagining 12 monkeys and that twilight zone episode witht he last guy on earth... and... oh wait. It doesn't have to be deritive of something. It was a damn fun film!!!! -
DAMMIT! Derivitive is the word. Derivitive. Bummer man.... bummer. -
The studio is showing an uncut, unedited first ten minutes after they show Final Destination on the USA network...
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please. Thank you.
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i fell asleep watching 28 days later. that movie was so boring. and like tom savini said in the commentary to the rerelease of the original dawn of the dead, which is now out on dvd, those were just crazy people that were infected by some germ. i never saw 28 days later until it came out on dvd. i was dissappointed in it that i sold it the next day to some friend, sucker. anyway, i know this so called remake isn't going to be like the original, but i'll still miss work on that day to go see it. i just want to see a zombie movie already.
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seems they're making these zombie's pretty fast. i agree that they should be slow. but the way i think that zombies should move should be on their state of being. if the zombie has been dead for a long time and is more bones then flesh, then it should be very slow. if they are recently dead then they should move faster,no not running around, just faster. the more decayed it gets the slower it gets. that's the way i see zombies as being. any thoughts?
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i dont classify it as a zombie flick, for me it's more of a post-apocalyptic thing. Working at a video store, yes, it's been really split by the concensus, but for the most part, people haven't liked it much...they'd rather watch In Hell with Van Damme or Dickie Roberts... i rest my case.
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First off, if these guys were captured in a combat zone, their guilt proven or not, then they were there possibly fighting their own countrymen and allies in support of a foreign government and a way of life that uses jackboot tactics regularly to oppress women and members of its opposition. You know, if they can't take the consequences of their actions, then stay the fuck out of other nations' political imbroglios. I love it when utter dickheaded westerners think they're expressing solidarity with cultures and people they really know nothing about because they took Middle East History (or Asian or African or South American) 101 at Berkeley and decide to become involved directly in their politics and killed. Like that moron Rachel Corrie who tried to face down an Israeli tank/bulldozer and was transformed into liquid pothole filler. Or bubblehead Amy Biehl who was "helping to fight apartheid" in South Africa (how? who the fuck knows!) and decided she needed to be driving alone at a time of mobs and riots. She was ventilated for her stupidity and naivete. I used to see these same assholes marching in political rallies in Taiwan when I lived there. And now, you piss and moan because pwisoners are not being tweated vewee well by the people they've plotted and most probably acted against? My friend, you're living in CandyLand if you think prisoner interrogation, brutal or otherwise, is not part of the consequences you incur when you are a fucking simple-minded fool, who thinks he/she is acting on some morally superior edict, trying to induce 'hands across America' and candlelight vigils as viable answers to critical problems in unstable regions of the world. BTW: this new Dawn of the Dead will not approach the greatness of the original. Remakes seldom do. Monroeville Forever!
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I seem to recall that this country was built by the very people you demonize. The society and the freedoms you enjoy were also provided by them and their decendants. You want to socialize everything, do you? Then those are the people that contribute to the tax base in sufficent amounts to permit exactly what you're talking about. You might just say thank you, instead. Also, if it's so bad, I seem to recall it's your right to emigrate anywhere you choose. The U.S. is always the worst place in the world...until you go someplace else.
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Remakes usually have a tough row to hoe topping the original. Because we love and reward creative thinking, we view with a great deal of skepticism (and rightfully so) anything that claims or even pretends to claim improvement upon the original. Did we really need Gus Van Sant's 1998 remake of Hitchcock's classic? Likewise can be said of other shitty remakes including Point of No Return (Le Femme Nikita), The Jackyl (Day of the Jackyl), Sommersby (The Return of Martin Guerre), The Preacher's Wife (The Bishop's Wife), etc. If you have to remake something, then choose a film so fucking bad that anything would be an improvement; like Walking Tall for instance. The remake, of course, will suck as badly as the original but at least it was an attempt to elevate shit to a higher level of shit. 28 Days Left was mediocre at best. As will be the Romero remake. It's tough to improve on something that is already great in the minds of most of its connoisseurs.
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I love it when vacuous plebes, who have no concept of history, of film making or anything for that matter, state emphatically that the greatest movie they've ever seen is the one released the previous Friday, and trash anything else before it. "The greatest band ever is HOOBASTANK!" "'A Touch of Evil' would have been better in color!" You all know the type: ignorant, vapid, shallow, impulsive, living-from-one-Xbox-game-release-to-the-next, dude-where's-my-car asswipes. Yeah, your absolutely right, hal-9-thou, the new DOTD will be so much better than the original! Just like Burton's Planet of the Apes...right?
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The Thing, The Blob, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, King Kong, The Fly, Night of the Living Dead, Village of the Damned, The Ring, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Memoirs of the Invisible Man, Red Dragon, The Time Machine, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Mummy, True Lies, Desperado, Point of No Return, Father of the Bride, Peter Pan, Freaky Friday, The Adams Family, Ocean's 11
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Mar 13, 2004 12:22:11 PM CST
"It's tough to improve on something that is already great in the
by e.c.
There are people who have an undying love for lots of old, overrated shit that think that nothing can outdo it 'cuz they're too blind to realize that what they like isn't the best thing in the world anymore (probably never was). Thankfully, I've never seen the original, and I look forward to looking at this movie ON ITS OWN MERITS.
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Mar 13, 2004 1:06:36 PM CST
Night of the Living Dead was REMADE by Savini and Romero instead
by darksider
The duo themselves tried to cash in on a remake instead of making a new one. No one seems to be bitching about that. Instead they're bitching about other guys doing the same thing. That's just stupid. As far as not seeing this movie? If no goes to see a remake of a Romero film what do you think are the chances of someone investing in a new one? 28 Days Later made money so the Dawn remake got money. If this movie makes money and the zombie craze stays alive long enough, you will see a 4th Dead film. If you let Hollywood know that you're will to shell out a little money they WILL return to the master if you prove that the demand is there. The zombie craze will not be around forever. Now is the time to get the 4th Dead film made because Romero isn't getting any younger or richer. By sitting at home on your asses watching old movies, all your telling the studios is that you don't care about zombie movies and that you don't want another Romero Dead film. So either send Romero cash yourself, or get off your asses and show the suits that your willing to shell out 8 bucks for these kinds of films. If you don't do either, then sit down and shut the fuck up about Romero not getting a 4th Dead film.
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Man, you are one informed, eloquent mofo. How long does it take to do your research, type up your rants in Word, then cut-n-paste? Excuse me for stepping on your precious classic of horror. Yeah, a remake of 'Psycho', 'The Exorcist', or 'Star Wars' is something to get yours in a bind about. But a mediocre zombie flick?? 'Night of the Living Dead', 'Return of the Living Dead', and 'Reanimator' kick its plodding ass! Yeah, this won't be the greatest movie I've ever seen on a Friday night, but at least it won't be a total waste of time like I found the original to be. And what are you a connoisseur of anyway, rancid swill?
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Gentleman, Why is there so much warring when there is so much love to be made? Please, take a deep breath, take your thumbs our of your asses, and get out there and smell the clam sauce. Life is so much more rewarding when you make the sweet love. Peace.
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I JUST watched DOTD two nights ago for the first time since the new one is coming out and I wanted to be able to catch all of the references and in jokes.
IT SUCKED! I'm sorry, all of you zombie people, I mean, I like zombie movies too I guess, NOTLD was scary as a mother and still stands maybe as the freakiest movie in my consciousness... but DOTD just slapped grey blue paint on people faces and blew up watermellons on manekin's shoulders. That monk was stupid, so was the nun... the ONLY good special effect in the whole thing was that priest at the beginning walking with a crutch like it was his leg... and I think that might have been REAL!
So that's my way of saying I think this one will be OK since the first one wasn't that good.
28 Days Later was awesome though they weren't really zombies. I don't care, I thought it was exciting and scary and a great commentary on the frequent necessity of violence and the id...
Oh, and Obscure Reference and you other silly people should seriously open your minds. There's nothing I hate more than closed minded people that rage against the machine just because its there. I mean, seriously, would you even be willing to call out the Al Quida bastards that blew our shiz up? Say something bad about them... condemn them!!! I dare you!!!! You won't, you'll say, oh, well, that wasn't the right approach but they had a point and America sucks blah blah blah... I hate stupid people... yes, I mean hate... go away.
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With many of your examples, you've made my point for me. Do you really believe that the remakes of King Kong, Night of the Living Dead, Village of the Damned, Memoirs of the Invisible Man, The Time Machine, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Mummy, Point of No Return and Father of the Bride were superior to the originals? Holy Cheese & Crackers! I must be getting old. These are terrible films and vastly inferior in nearly every respect to the originals. Although you did list some remakes which were decent, I certainly wouldn't lump the aforementioned titles in with the rest.
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Did you mean to call me 'mangy'? But boy you really got me with the old Windows OS system calls bit...yikes. Peace between us, brother.
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...what are you thoughts on the new DOTD remake? Have you seen the original, if so, do you like it? I am attempting to move this conversation away from the political one that you shouldn't have started. I mean, if you read the comments of your detractors, half of them sound like morons. I don't know why you even bother to debate with them. So let's talk about something really important to society like zombies.
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...You really give ObscureRef too much credit when you describe him as trying to "debate." He never does. He pops into the talkbacks with his Gitmo proclamations (every single fucking time) and will refuse to take on any single person with a contrary view based on solid evidence and compelling arguments. He'll make a few wildly generalized responses (very infrequently), aimed at nobody in particular and then he goes away. He's either a very skilled troll, or a myopic, morally relativistic feeb with a head full of right-on politics and a complete lack of the courage needed to sustain those views in conflict with others.
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...the film you're referring to is "Le Lac des Morts Vivants," not "Lac du Zombie." If you're going to use French titles in an effort to seem as pretentious as you do when discussing politics, at least try to use the right one -- even for a piece of shit like "Zombie Lake." You pillock.
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It was an alright film until the Army showed up, then it went pretty poor. The endings (Both) were also pretty poor.
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I like the fast-moving zombie idea. The "zombies move slowly because they're decomposing" notion doesn't really make sense, because bodies don't decompose so quickly that their flesh would be turning to mush after 24 hours. On the other hand, the slow-moving zombies always scared the crap out of me as a kid because of their implacable nature...the way they would just...keep...shambling...toward...you. Yeah, you could outrun them easily, but one misstep and you'd be finished. On the other hand, fast-moving zombies might be even scarier if you actually imagine yourself in that scenario...like, if you're trying to escape in a car and you stop for gas...look around, don't see any zombies...you get out, and then BAM! out from nowhere a dozen zombies rush up to you and eat your brains. That's some scary shit. Anyway, it just highlights the fact that there are a lot of different ways to tell a zombie story, and Romero's vision is just one of them. I'd like to see some reviews of this remake that don't just automatically bash it because it's not the original, or because it makes changes. What's more important is, how does the film stand up on its own? I loved the original DOTD but I'm totally up for any fresh interpretation. I don't think this film should be trashed out of spite merely because Romero can't get his 4th zombie film off the ground.
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...either your subject line is a coincidence or your age is showing terribly. Then again, if I recognized the line from "Dancing in Heaven", my age is showing as well.... ;)
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why are you arguing over the scientific merits of zombies speed, what has that got to do with making a good film. If you read my first entry on 'the theory of zombies' it explains why they should be slow. we are disscussing a horror film here not a documentary on decomposing.
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Mar 14, 2004 7:28:43 PM CST
it's like you think the film makers didn't think about what they
by pjdonnelli
it's not like they made them fast by accident, i love zombie films and think they have made a wrong choice in making the zombies fast. For example if they where fighting werewolves then they would be up against something stronger, faster and pretty much invincible therefore the fear is of something that is their superior, zombies are easy to kill and slow therefore it is the fear of thier own mistakes which drives a zombie film. Sorry to rant, i have a degree in film and it just enoys me when people don't look at films from the point of view of the effect they have on the audience which is the only way you can look at a film.
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Saw it at the Bev center last week. It fucking rocked. I lied the Romero films. Loved NIGHT. Really liked DAWN. Tolerated DAY. Didnt really give much thought to the running thing. Have to admit. Knew that I wouldnt want to run into one. Dont really agree with the review. Guess i'm not a Romero purist. I'm just glad that somebody spent some money to make a zombie movie!!! It was pretty hard core. Which surprised me. Coming from a studio I expected some weak shit. My girlfrind was really freaked out. She said that it made her sick and she didnt understand why I liked it so much. Have to say that this movie is pretty fucking good. Ty Burrel, who plays Steve is so fucking funny. And they shoot a lot of zombies in the head. Which is cool.
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Didnt have a problem with the characters. Felt like I understood them all and connected with them. no easy feat given that there are a lot of them. Liked that you were never really sure who was going to make it and who was going to die. Or if you were, you coulnd't predict how they would go. They kill this one character towards the end in a way that was so fucking wrong!!! I heard people around me freaking. David Anderson is a genius. I'm so used to horror movies about kids who do something stupid and get cut up. This is much smarter than that. Actually sort of grateful for it. Also, and I mean this, I was actually glad not to have an explanation for how this thing started. I was also glad that they didnt sit around saying things like, "heres what we're going to do". Any explanation would have been so bogus. And any plan would have felt like a movie moment. I liked that it was a bunch of people in shock,with no plan, and armed only with the info they got on TV. Just like we would all be. Thats real. When the TV goes, that have no more info. Trying going a day without turning your tv or computer or phone on. You wouldnt know shit. The more I think about the more I object to that guys review. I will support this movie. Universal was crazy/stupid/fucking brilliant enough to make this movie. I'll see it again. For sure.
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I never said they were superior. I said they were good, as in "own their own". Most remakes are usually different to an extent anyway. Except for the Psycho remake. I don't see the point in remake if you do everything the same. That's why you have the original. A remake should be done only if you plan on changing some things. So then you can have the original and hopefully a good remake will a different view/perspective.
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Day of the Dead. What a piece of shit.
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The black chick should have cut off the hero's head because she thought he was infected. A nice, bleak, humanity is fucked ending of the NOTLD variety. Then the movie would have kicked 85% ass instead of just 80%. Zombie or quasi- zombie end of the world flicks shouldn't have happy endings. As for fast zombies - put me in the shambling zombie camp and ObscureReference in a real concentration camp.
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Tonight on USA. Watch it. Trust me. First 10 are fucking balls-out awesome. Hope they dont edit it for TV.
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though i enjoy walking zombies running zombies arent so bad as long as they run all wonkie i dont like to see zombies running like they are running a marathon thats stupid lookin also for some reason when zombies start running they instantly get emotions on there face which makes them seem more like humans with make up more then mindless zombies. and sorry to say but Resident evil was a horrible zombie movie more people got killed by the damn lasers then zombies that girl kickin the dog in the face was gay as hell it wasnt really in a creppy mansion atmosphere and when zombies showed up its like all the lights in the house turned on and then techno music started playing which didnt make them scary at all. also i feel that guy who had one bullet left should have shot himself in the head which would have been much better. with that said resident evil stunk and i have no hopes for the second one. But back to the subject new DAWN is not goin to be as good as old DAWN but i will go to see it just to see it on a date why not or else i would just spend my money on fifty first dates or some other crap might as well see crap with zombies i just hope some guy kung-fu kicks a zombie in the head thats one of my favorite parts in the old one but hopefully one day George will make a new movie which i would happily see i leave you with this just keep an open mind its not goin to be good but it might be some what entertaining
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I really dont no why ppl hate the last part of 28 days later it added a grt element 2 it. it showed how some ppl wud react in a situation like that, army r ppl 2 b trusted and 2 see them as sick fucked rapist wannabs was a grt touch and they became the other element 2 b scared of. U all liek ur sick fucked gore the last part of 28 days had soem of the best shit, eyes being gouged out lots of vomit blood action that film was fuckin grt.
Wish ppl wud stop cryign about running zombies u aint even see n the fuckin film yet. watch it 1st so u can moan after u seen it, runnign zombies shud in a way b cool tho cus weve seen lumbrin zombies 4 yrs it b grt 2 see if they can add a new twist 2 it.personly i think its 4 all these fuck heads out there who need instant shocks 2 scare them ratehr than the use of a brain. -
And love the name, Princess!
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Mar 15, 2004 5:57:16 PM CST
"zombies are easy to kill and slow therefore it is the fear of t
by e.c.
The mythos of the hoard of sluggish zombies is that they are a slow, unstoppable force trying to inundate you with sheer number. Sure, you can shoot a few in their heads, but what about the hundreds of others closing in? THAT'S what makes zombies scary; they're slow and outrunnable, but you can't stop them and they'll eventually catch you. The fact that there's hundreds of RUNNING zombies just compounds that fear, in my opinion.
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The idea that dead Grandma, little sis, ex-girlfriend etc. will psychotically attack me with the intent of ripping me open & devouring me, and also how I would feel re-killing same in a horrible manner - that's what bothers me in zombie flicks.
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A mob of zombies is comin' at you down a deadend alleyway (Fast or slow zombies, take your pick. I'd still piss myself either way). You spot a fire escape up to the roof and start to climb it, but, OH SHIT, there is another mob of zombies climbing down it. You break into the window of a 3rd story apartment and head for the door, but, OH SHIT, there is yet another mob of zombies breaking in. Hope it doesn't suck TOO much to be a zombie. Second scenario: The cute little girl next door who we all thought was SO precious dies during the night. She becomes a zombie, natch, and decides to pay a visit on the hip neighbor couple who taught her how to rollerblade. She borrows a cup of blood and pound of liver from the husband. Hope hubby doesn't think it sucks TOO much to be a zombie. Little dead girl eyes hip neighbor wife for dessert, and no mere wooden door is gonna stand in her way. Yes, I have shat myself now... I love this stuff!
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I'm just glad that somebody made a zombie movie. Couldnt care less whether they walk, run, or crawl. Wait till you see the bite that the little girl takes out of the guy's neck. It happens about five minutes in so I'm sure it will be on USA.
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They should have called it 28 days before because it just looked like a prelude to 28 days later
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Just like the arrival of THE DEER HUNTER to commercial TV, minus commercials and with no cuts, now comes the first 10 minutes of a major motion picture yet to be released to theaters, DAWN OF THE DEAD, uncut and unmarred. The flick looks OK, what I saw of it, which was up to the point where the girl is busting down the parents' bedroom door. I am at work at a major daily newspaper and had to go back to my pages, on tight deadline. My kids were raving about it on the phone to me, describing in exquisite detail what followed. My bro-in-law also on the phone said it looked good enough that he plans to see it opening weekend, but he would have seen it anyhow. He is a horror film freak, especially anything promising excessive gore and violence. His favorite movie of all time is HUMANOIDS. Need I say more?
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Looked pretty damn good. They only reason this could work is because about 5 minutes in, IT'S ON! Is it me or was Sarah Polley about the smartest girl in a horror movie you've ever seen. Except for the fact she forgot to look her car door. But that I can overlook. All in all I think it was more believable than most zombie pics I've seen.
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I meant LOCK her car door. I need some sleep.
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I am sure it will be duked out... but I am satisfied how they explained the fast zombie bit... and I am happy to see the work done to show the impact of "social chaos" on community notions like altruism and charitable responsibility, coupled with the idea of feeling regret in the face of making fight or flight decisions, whether they are right or wrong. I.E.: Her decision to knock over and tear off from one woman DEFINITELY asking for help, and two other that were definitely not zombies. I don't fault her for the latter two, but she did show obvious dismay and confusion at her own decision not to help that woman..................................All that being said, I really like the scene that her husband took off from chasing her to go after easy prey. That was hilarious. And the music is the same. I am much more excited than I would have thought. I am sure it will be a let down. BUT, I rather be let down by a terrible film with zombies, than see ANY OF THE CRAP THAT HAS SURFACED THIS YEAR!!!!! Or at least most of it... -
...allright. After reading all the commetary here, I have to ask myself; "Whats wrong with you people?" Sure, Romero's work was original, but the original Dawn of the Dead is no masterpeice. It's scholck b-cinema; the zombies look no different from the Borax snorter from Up In Smoke... relax, you're time is over. Let an homage aid in the fading away of George Romero, who's own over-inflated ego has kept him from putting out anything in more than a decade. So, if running zombies irritate you so much, go ahead and continue to lock yourself up in your mothers basement and curl into the fetal positing, quietly whispering "I can't let go... I can't let go..."
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yes, technically speaking, 28 Days Later is not a zombie movie... not because they're fast-moving, but because they're infected, not dead. But it's still a damned good movie, and your rationalization of why it supposedly sucks is just asinine. A movie can be chilling or lame with fast or slow zombies... and no, zombies in these movies don't have to be slow and lumbering. They just have to be dead but animated. As for Underworld, that was a piece of shit. As for DOTD2004, give the movie a chance to succeed or fail on its own, not because it doesn't live up to your lame-ass "rules" of zombies.
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As a citizen of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, I was horrified to see my city overrun by zombies last night in the first 10 minutes of DOTD. I've seen the original and was actually impressed by what I saw last night. They really do a good job with the carnage and chaos that comes about. I hope it's a good movie and will probably try to see it in the theaters, if I hear good reviews.
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I thought the "running zombies" would suck, but I was wrong! I saw the first 10 minutes on USA too, and agree with Princess B. that it rocked in all ways! If the rest of the movie even comes close, it will rock!
Bought the original on DVD and watched it with two friends. I'd seen it during original release and found it horrifying, but nowadays, well, it's still good and has excellent moments, but it's not an untouchable flick. My friends thought it was boring. (and it was rather long) Day of the Dead was just as good as Dawn, IMO, and both were solid but not like the first one, which is still very, very creepy. -
Now dont get me wrong, Not one single soul on this earth enjoys a horror film more than my good self, but, c'mon people! Dawn of the Dead was not the piece of cinema you clowns seem to think it was, even now the film has aged horribly, the blood looks silly and that blue-faced Hindu Zombie? What was that all about, i hav'nt seen the remake yet but i know it HAS to be better, no matter what some So-Called reviewer thinks.....As for a true piece of Zombie goodness you can really, ahem, Get your teeth into......It has yo be Day Of The Dead, now theres a remake i know i'd like to see.....
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You know...it's going to be coming out against "The Passion of The Christ." Hard competition. I suggest changing the tagline on the poster: "Jesus wasn't the only one who came Back From The Dead!" ( either that or put them both on a double bill: "One wants to save your soul! The other wants to Eat Your Brain!!" ) I'm a marketing genius!
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The film sucked ass. Little to do with the original. Might as well been called Dawn of the Dead, Too. My review here:
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I wasn't even interested in this movie until I was offered a free pass last night, and now I'm planning to go again as soon as it opens. Bury your emotional attachment to the original and you will thoroughly enjoy the new DOTD.
It's not that fast zombies are "cool", it's that they're more frightening- you will almost surely lose a race with them and so the slow guy in your group is probably going to be the only thing saving you as he himself gets munched. These things are still clearly zombies and the movie simply works on a level that most horror movies don't, with surprisingly good acting for its genre. The millionaire asshole and the gung-ho mall security are two unknown actors who stole the show, their cycnicism was real enough that you can imagine someone you know in the situation.
I'm not sure if this reviewer was able to detach himself from his expectations, because the whole theater I saw this with was at the edge of their seats, gasping and covering their eyes (men and women alike), and laughing at some well-timed comic relief. This is the best horror movie I've seen in a long time, and the funny thing is listening to all the stupid assholes who think they know this movie will suck and will simply miss out.
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