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Nordling

Published at: March 8, 2004, 7:06 a.m. CST by staff

Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

The floodgates are open. The script has officially leaked. Sometimes, you see it happen with a film. The material doesn’t just get out. It gets out ev-er-y-where at once. Harry and I were both sent copies of it this week by an unnamed friend of the site (thanks, man), and then I get this e-mail from Supernova’s favorite cherubic BNAT veteran...

Nordling here.

I didn't like the title BATMAN BEGINS at first. It felt, and still feels in a way, clunky. INTIMIDATION GAME didn't sound exactly right either. What to call the movie that sets the Batman film saga right back to square one? The film that wipes the slate clean, from not only the cinematic abortion that was BATMAN AND ROBIN, but even Tim Burton's two films? Having thought it over and after reading the script, BATMAN BEGINS is the best possible title, and it sets the franchise off to a terrific start, with so much potential that fanboys will need to wear raincoats to the theater, so overcome with orgasmic joy will they be.

I don't know what Christopher Nolan will bring to the film, but his sense in casting is dead on perfect. The actors that have been cast fit their parts perfectly.

As far as the previous Batman films, only the first one feels like it's anything approaching good to me, and even that film feels sloppy. Nothing against Prince, but his musical interludes didn't work, and like Bruce says in the original film, some of BATMAN is very much Tim Burton, and some of it isn't. Well, the first film also doesn't come close to the angst and power that the character has, the darkness and tragedy in Bruce Wayne that compels the fans to follow his story again and again.

This is the part without spoilers. If you don't want to read any, cut loose after this paragraph... but feel comforted that for the first time, they got it right. Not the TV show. Not the films we've seen so far. This feels like Batman, and it brings the franchise to a point where anything is possible. All the characters you know and love are treated well and fairly, and if Superman gets this treatment, maybe the WB won't be the ire of fanboys everywhere. With this script, I feel that Warner Brothers is on the right track with this character, and I can't wait to see the sequel to THIS particular Batman film.

Spoilers below...

First off, there are ninjas. Just to get that out of the way. Ninjas, who kick ass.

We begin, as the screeching of bats and the darkness of wings gives way to sunlight, in a garden. A girl, RACHEL, is running from a boy, BRUCE WAYNE. As they hide from the Wayne Manor staff, they are two children at play, until Bruce falls through an abandoned well in the back kitchen garden. Bruce falls into blackness.

His eyes open in a Bhutanese prison, as Bruce (Christian Bale), now 28, serves his time. He spends his days fighting the other prisoners. He is drifting through his life. Six prisoners start a fight, and Bruce methodically takes them down, until the guards put Bruce in solitary confinement for the other prisoners's protection. In his cell, a voice speaks out. It is DUCARD (Liam Neeson), a servant of RA'S AL GHUL (Ken Watanabe), offering to teach Bruce the skills of the League of Shadows, if he passes their tests. He offers him something he has been looking for for a long time: purpose.

We all know the story of Batman - Bruce Wayne fights crime to avenge his parents' death - but David Goyer puts us right in the middle of it this time. No mere flashback for us - we are taken through the ordeal that Bruce suffers and feels guilty over. If Bruce hadn't been frightened at the play they went to see that night, if he hadn't begged his parents to leave, their deaths by Joe Chill (yes, NOT the Joker, but the original killer of the comics, and I'm thankful that got remedied) might have been avoided. He feels responsible to a fault, and he travels the world, in self-destructive behavior.

Bruce travels to the Himalayas to train with Ducard and Ra's Al Ghul's League of Shadows. Imagine a ninja sword duel with Batman versus Qui-Gon Jinn. Yes, I sense the fanboy stiffies sprouting now. It's a kickass fight as written, and I'm confident that Nolan will make it pop on screen. Through out the training ordeals that Bruce goes through, he learns to live with his fears - his fears of bats due to his fall in his youth, his fear of loss, his fear of the knowledge that he may have been responsible for his parents' death. He learns the value of masks. And at the end, he is offered membership... for a price. The League of Shadows isn't some altruistic group out to save the world, but to destroy it. Ra's Al Ghul tells Bruce that he wants to destroy Gotham, and through what they have taught him, he will be the one to do it. Bruce refuses, and there is a fight with many ninjas (!!!). Ra's Al Ghul is killed in an explosion, but Bruce saves Ducard's life. With that act, he is ready to begin. He calls ALFRED (Michael Caine) to have him picked up, and Bruce starts to pick up the pieces of his life.

When Bruce returns to Gotham, Wayne Enterprises is in shambles. Its not his father's company anymore. It's all about the profits, about defense contracts, and the board of the company is trying to have Bruce Wayne declared dead so they can complete the takeover of the company. Unfortunately for them Bruce shows up and defeats their plans, and meets LUCIUS FOX (Morgan Freeman), who heads the Applied Science Division after he refused to go with the board and was booted off. It's here that we see the development of many of the iconic Batman symbols - the suit, the Batmobile, the grappling hook. When Bruce reaches his 30th birthday, he inherits all of it.

Bruce learns that Joe Chill, the man who killed his parents, is being offered parole in exchange for testimony against local crime lord Carmine Falcone, and Bruce decides to take revenge. However, Rachel (Katie Holmes), now an assistant district attorney, prevents him from acting. Later, Chill is killed by one of Falcone's cronies, and Bruce realizes that the corruption of Gotham City goes much deeper than his own petty revenge fantasies. The corruption, in fact, goes much further than Bruce knows, all the way back to China, where the REAL villain bides his time...

Gotham City needs a symbol. A symbol of fear, yes, the fear of his childhood, but turned into a force for good. In a mask, Bruce contacts JIM GORDON (Gary Oldman), one of the few honest cops in the city, and tells him to look for a sign.

The first time we see Batman in the script isn't until page 58 of the script, almost an hour in, if the axiom of one minute a page is true. As in SPIDER-MAN, we are so invested in the character that by the time Batman actually shows up it all has a sense of context. The first Batman fight has the feel of someone who really is new at this sort of thing, but it feels exciting and I'm looking forward to seeing it on screen.

There's a lot of ground for the film to cover, but it never feels rushed. It feels well-paced, and introduces characters at leisure. It never feels dull. It's fresh.

What about the other villain, the SCARECROW (Cillian Murphy)? He has a terrific entrance, and isn't just a throwaway baddie for Batman to fight, but figures into the larger story. And Goyer does something really cool that more superhero movies need to pay attention to - the Scarecrow's not disposable. Ra's Al Ghul is also used very well. He feels a little like how Dracula is introduced in the Bram Stoker novel. He's a villain that isn't onscreen a lot of the time, but you continuously feel his presence. This movie really has three villains. Ducard, as written, is just as much an equal for Bruce as the others. With all the crime in Gotham, Batman is never at a loss of bad guys.

Am I leaving anything out? Oh hell yeah. A lot more than you realize. The script's 128 pages long, and I'm only to page 58. And I really can't go any further without really ruining it. There's some twists, including one that I really didn't see coming until it was right on me. But the script has confidence in the characters, and everyone's well written, including Alfred, who I can't wait to see Michael Caine play. He really is Bruce's moral center, the one that keeps him grounded, and Bruce and Alfred have a nice banter and a warm relationship that should translate well on screen. The only character that may get a little short shrift is Rachel, but this is a superhero movie, and sadly, historically, the women in superhero movies aren't exactly given the best lines.

This feels like a film written for Batman fans. The introduction of all the iconic symbols that make Batman the hero we know and love is done particularly well, including the Batmobile, which I can't wait to see (think THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, rather than the skinny car the films are used to). They even make an effort to explain how Bruce can afford all this stuff, and lay a scientific foundation that actually gives "all those wonderful toys" a sense of reality.

In fact... and I might get lynched for this... this is a better introduction to the Batman character than YEAR ONE. Frank Miller's comic works for comics. But this is a movie... and it MOVES. At some points... well. The fight scenes just click and pop off the page, and if they are choreographed as well as they read, we're in for a treat. We even get to see Gordon in some action, which is nice.

Problems? Only one, really... Rachel. She's written like a token female character, needing to be rescued by Batman, the character who gets to put to voice all the romantic aspects to the story... she's not much more than a plot point. She does get some nice moments, towards the end, but we're always wanting to get back to the action.

I think the fans are going to go apeshit over this, frankly. It's done almost completely right, and starts the franchise anew. The last page of the script... well, it'll get fans all a twitter with casting ideas. I hope the WB signs both Christopher Nolan and David Goyer to a three picture deal, because this story's not done. It reinvents the franchise, and I dare say it improves on the Burton vision. This is the Batman origin the fans have been waiting for. I can't wait to see it, and it's now one of my most anticipated films of 2005. With this and Episode III, if all goes well, it's gonna be a good year. Post-LOTR... we're in for some good times, I think.

Nordling, out.

Well said, man. I don’t think I can write a review of this one in good conscience, since I did some business with David Goyer last year and owe him a huge debt of gratitude for taking a chance on me. I’ll say this much, though... I am deeply impressed by his script, and I think it’s one of the three best BATMAN scripts I’ve read. Sam Hamm’s first draft of BATMAN, the one that kicked the whole thing off, was a really persuasive and powerful re-imagination of the character, and so was BRUCE WAYNE, the pilot script by Tim McCanlies that got unmercifully dicked around by the lunatics at the WB network and Tollin/Robbins in a ridiculous power struggle that led to SMALLVILLE. If McCanlies had been able to make his show about Bruce Wayne, I think it would have become the definitive version of the character. I think he would have been able to create a great, rich mythology around the character.

And I agree with Nordling. The best moment in this script is on the last page, and that’s not an insult. That’s just saying they managed to find the perfect ending, an ending that will make fans leap to their feet in the theater and howl, enraged at the idea of having to wait for what’s next. I hope Goyer and Nolan already have their sequel outlined so they can get busy on it as soon as they deliver this one for next summer.

"Moriarty" out.





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  • March 8, 2004, 7:14 a.m. CST

    First bad news

    by Kadence

    for this Batman property. Batman was on a roll until now. ___BTW, this is my 3rd first in like 2 minutes.

  • March 8, 2004, 7:15 a.m. CST

    As a real life, genuine crimefighter

    by neobido999

    sounds awesome

  • March 8, 2004, 7:17 a.m. CST

    The dawn is beginning to break...

    by CKnightShift

    ...this sounds cool :-)

  • March 8, 2004, 7:18 a.m. CST

    im sorry but still not excited....

    by chunkus

    hmmmm.. as a big batfan im still not looking forward to this,, fair enough it sounds like its got potential but its still a different story from the book.. batman going to train with ras al ghul??? i dont think so.. they should just make a film of batman year one,, its a great story and has a good simple storyline to show his background... and why include the scarecrow!!!! the best books have always been the long halloween etc which had no super mad villains etc...

  • March 8, 2004, 7:18 a.m. CST

    I still don't know if Batman does gunkata in this one...

    by fabfunk

    Damn, it's hard to stay away from all the spoilers. Here's hoping the ninjas in this commit seppuku by whispering, "Let the shadows live forever..."

  • March 8, 2004, 7:18 a.m. CST

    And by "bad news",

    by Kadence

    I meant that it sucks that they seem to get it right...but they're going to have to change everything because the script leaked. Unbelievable. They were probably gonna change a lot in future drafts anyway, but there's even more pressure now.

  • March 8, 2004, 7:45 a.m. CST

    What "business" did you have with Goyer, Moriarty? $45 for an ei

    by SmarkJobber

    I'm sure the script is fairly well-plotted, but tell me this, Mori -- is there one good line of dialogue in the whole piece? Or do we get more of the same Goyer stiffness we've come to know and nauseate?

  • March 8, 2004, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Neat! I was lapping that post up until you said "episode 3"

    by CellarDoor

    Then I received a psychic burst of flashing images. A dozen fat people...Wearing 'Blue Harvest' T-shirts...Talking really, really sternly about Star Wars...AAAARRRGGGHHH! It's the Jedi council posts at AICN! God save me! PLEASE!

  • March 8, 2004, 8:05 a.m. CST

    THE TWIST

    by neobido999

    ANYONE KNOW WHAT IT IS? WHERE I CAN FIND IT? FOR THE LOVE OF LORD LUCAS, I NEED TO KNOW!!!!!!

  • March 8, 2004, 8:17 a.m. CST

    PLEASE no wires and Hong Kong Action!

    by Stuntpuppet

    how do you ruin a perfectly good Batman movie...One way is to include Hong Kong wire happy fight scenes!!!!Just ask Kevin Smith, he is talking Woo Ping for "Green Hornet", instead of goold old school grounded skill and ass kicking. Hey Nolan, no FUCKING WIRE-FU Please! Enough with that shit already...

  • March 8, 2004, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Even though they can be requested, orange mocha frappuccinos are

    by neobido999

    Imagine if the film was really serious all the way through, with moody hand held look and that kind of michael mann-esque Muzak score, until the very VERY end, when Bale hits Murphy and a huge POW , accompanied by blaring '60's show sound effect appeared onscreen. People would be like "Fuck me!!!"

  • March 8, 2004, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Batman vs. Hulk

    by Sith42

    Interesting how fanboys are gonna drool over this, yet complained about the same thing with the Hulk.. shows up one hour into the film.. takes the character WAY too seriously, etc.. Ah well, I liked it, and I'll likely enjoy this too.. Nolan's got a great head on his shoulders.

  • March 8, 2004, 8:39 a.m. CST

    "Yes, I sense the fanboy stiffies sprouting now"

    by rev_skarekroe

    Hmmmm... sk

  • March 8, 2004, 8:56 a.m. CST

    What will Hulk Hogan make of all this?

    by neobido999

    Well?

  • March 8, 2004, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Batman, Rick James, and Moriarty

    by Bcphil

    1. I think this Batman movie will blow, this reminds me of the build up to Vanhelsing. 2. I was lucky enough to get 2 "I'm Rick James Bitch!" into the first slots, but of course Drew had to delete them in favour of, "I'm first, bow to me bitches!" Drew we are trying to get a new thing going, please don't stifle the movement. "I'm Rick James Bitch" would be a welcome change to the utterly boring chants of first.

  • March 8, 2004, 8:58 a.m. CST

    They fucked up two face last time by casting different actors

    by neobido999

    He should have been called Two-Race AHTHANKYOU!

  • March 8, 2004, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Batman: Shogun Assassin

    by Some Dude

    That's how they should do the ninja shit.

  • March 8, 2004, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Something weird

    by neobido999

    walk to university this morning, i saw myself through the window typing this very message!!! Wait a minute, who's that outside.....

  • March 8, 2004, 10:46 a.m. CST

    LET'S HOPE THAT BOTH (NEW) BATMAN SEQUELS ARE FILMED BACK TO BAC

    by JDanielP

  • March 8, 2004, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Forgive me for these multiple postings. I was having some troub

    by JDanielP

    I feel sorry for Warner Bros. because of the script getting leaked to the public. Let's face it, ... we, as fans, would be better off experiencing the film. And people wouldn't judge the material until it would be seen in the final form of the motion pictures -- I've ALWAYS been such a HUGE fan of the Batman character. And I don't have any problem with what I've read so far, regarding the script (or at least, the news reporting it). -- (* SPOILER WARNING *) I can imgagine the intensity of Bruce Wayne when he so verbally (and loudly) refuses to be ANY part of ANY plan in the destruction of Gotham City ("...my city!", he might say). I can hear the character yelling, angry, near RAGE, (perhaps even feeling betrayed) ... and focusing all of his inner strength, both mentally and physically, in dropping every would-be assailant. Very cool, indeed. I imagine Bruce Lee style action, "with NO wire-work" as someone once suggested. -- I want to be surprised by this movie, but feel compelled to read any and all information that's leaked regarding it. I'm passonate about the subject, so I must share my opinion(s), ... after all, somebody needs to keep Warner Bros. on track. -- Sounds great so far. Keep up the good work.

  • March 8, 2004, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Angry Little Fanboys

    by sinewave

    Being a huge Batman fanboy myself, I can respect the amount of passion many of you "talkbackers" have for the source material, but damn, you guys sure are some angry little fanboys, aren't you? I'm pretty new to this whole talkback thing so maybe I don't understand the whole culture, but why be so pessimistic about this project so damn early? In my opinion everything that's been released regarding this project is virtually spot-on in regards to the source material. Relax, and try not to freak-out every time you hear a rumor that doesn't fit your ideal vision of what a Batman flick should be about. We're still a long way from the finished product and I, for one, have a lot of faith in Mr. Nolan.

  • It has potential, but it's too complicated and I don't like it. Plus, I'd be much more frightened of an ALL BLACK Batman costume than some crappy gray and dark blue thing.

  • March 8, 2004, 2:05 p.m. CST

    It's not too late for them to fix the title

    by octobot

    Is it? Movie titles get changed at the last minute all the time. I think a good name would be Rise of the Batman, or The Rise of the Batman. It's kinda comic booky and ludicrous, but no more so than Batman Begins, plus it has some air of menace and drama than Batman Begins, which is clunky and silly (and reminds me way too much of Remo Williams, the Adventure Begins, which would have been way better under the title of the book series it was based on, The Destroyer). Make no mistake, though, I'm feeling really good about this; we can finally put those Burton debacles to rest. (The latter two don't even count, because no one takes them seriously, but I'm always irritated by people who try to give some sorta props to the first two. They were jive. They were jive and they sucked, even though at age 12 I didn't want to deal with that fact, they sucked. Straight up.) I've never liked any of Nolan's other movies (Memento was a chinese box) but this -- like King Kong -- is a free-throw for any reasonable director who accepts the material on its own terms, and it sounds like that's what Nolan and Co. are doing. God fucking bless 'em.

  • March 8, 2004, 2:13 p.m. CST

    It's not too late for them to fix the title

    by octobot

    Is it? Movie titles get changed at the last minute all the time. I think a good name would be Rise of the Batman, or The Rise of the Batman. It's kinda comic booky and ludicrous, but no more so than Batman Begins, plus it has some air of menace and drama which is more than you can say for Batman Begins, which, yeah, is clunky and silly (and reminds me too much of Remo Williams, the Adventure Begins, which would have been way better under the title of the book series it was based on, The Destroyer -- seems like a bit of a curse to name a movie like that. Why not call it The First Batman Film in Our New Batman Franchise: The Far Side of the World ?). Make no mistake, though, I'm feeling really good about this; we can finally put those Burton debacles to rest. (The latter two don't even count, because no one takes them seriously, but I'm always irritated by people who try to give some sorta props to the Burton two. They were jive. They were jive and they sucked, even though at age 12 I didn't want to deal with that fact, they sucked. Straight up.) I've never liked any of Nolan's other movies (Memento was a chinese box) but this -- like King Kong -- is a free-throw for any reasonable director who accepts the material on its own terms, and it sounds like that's what Nolan and Co. are doing. God fuckin' bless 'em.

  • March 8, 2004, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Bat Interpretations

    by grgrkoth

    Look, there is never going to be a single interpretation of the bat that is going to satisfy every aspect of the fan base. The character has been reinvented SO MANY times in the comics, Tv series (Live action and animated) movie serials, films, radio shows, etc., that they're simply not going to find a film script to make EVERY fan boy happy. Think about it: The Kane, Finger, Robinson Batman of the 1940's is a far cry from the Denny O'Neil Batman of the 1970's. The Weird Batman era in the 50's (other universes, planets, etc.) MUCH different than the Miller/ Starlin comics of the 1980's. Even Loeb's interpretation varies from Miller, Ruka, etc. of recent comics. Each filmic or animated interpretation of the character has also varied, usually collecting basic elements from these varied comics from different eras and put them together. I feel that Burton was actually on the right track with the first 2 films, though many do not. There are some out there who feel that Batman Forever comes the closest to the comics (I don't believe that at all.) The point is, as a fanboy, I'm so psyched by the Nolan flick, it's unbelievable. At the very best, I hope for a fresh interpretation from more recent material. Why be a nay sayer? Relax! Enjoy! It can't possibly (knocks on wood) be worse than Schumachers.

  • March 8, 2004, 5 p.m. CST

    what no talia?

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    come on guys this is one of the best parts of the ra's al ghul storyline. the whole talia-bruce love thing is always a good story. plus she'd have to be played by some totally exotic beauty.

  • March 8, 2004, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Adrien Brody, Vincent Gallo, or Crispin Glover had better be rea

    by Declan_Swartz

  • March 8, 2004, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Hulk Hogan, Michael Chiklis, and Ken Marshall had better be read

    by SmarkJobber

    You can't just post the same thing over and over and hope it becomes a runner on talkback. One dude forcing the joke or NEW RULE or whatever is pathetic.

  • March 8, 2004, 6:49 p.m. CST

    SmarkJobber, you do realize that despite my grammar problems I a

    by Declan_Swartz

  • March 8, 2004, 7:01 p.m. CST

    NEW RULE: "Scoops" by Nordling are to be taken with a grain of s

    by Bill Maher

    This thing reads like one of the elaborate pranks from The Facer. Speaking of which, is Nordling still threatening him? I hope to hell this isn't the actual movie. Where did this Kung Fu Batman bullshit come from? All he needs is the Batarang, for Christ's sake!

  • March 8, 2004, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Fair enough, Declan...

    by SmarkJobber

    I understand where you're coming from, and I'll ramble about that in a second. First, my earlier post wasn't so much directed towards you as it was to the Gummo Girl screaming "Krull!" up and down the aisle, and the Michael Chiklis dude. A little lunacy goes a long way. Too much is overkill. ON TO BATMAN, THOUGH -- do we really know that TBers and other internet folk played a hand in getting Bale the job as Bats? No. The guy was in the running to play Bruce in the 'Batman vs. Superman' deal that fell apart. Even if it some kid of internet campaign did influence Nolan/producers of "Begins," that doesn't necessarily mean the same will happen with a role that hasn't even been written (Joker). Sure, as a fanboy, Crispin Glover and Vincent Gallo may turn in excellent work as Joker. However, Joker is not a part that mainstream America will want to see as the most beloved villain of the franchise. You can't expect an audience to shell out bucks to see Gallo (an unknown to average moviegoers) play a part that Nicholson (arguably) nailed. Now let's talk about Adrien Brody. He's an offbeat choice for Joker, and reasonably known. I see him getting a read on Joker before the other two mentioned. And I'd like to see him try to do something with the part (even though I think PAUL BETTANY would be a much wiser decision, and since he's a brit that's a plus for Nolan). So, I'd say if you're gonna push for anyone, go for Brody. Don't hustle three names.

  • March 8, 2004, 7:53 p.m. CST

    SmarkJobber, thank you for understanding. When it comes to Bal

    by Declan_Swartz

    I see him as a new Bruce Campbell type in that he has a strong geek following and is not yet well known to the general public. Hollywood does not dismiss him though quite as fast as Campbell due to his looks, age and of course acting ability; no offense towards Bruce. Goyer seems to understand his fellow Batfans when he and Nolan ultimately went with Bale over Jake Gyllenhaal. Jake would have been an interesting choice, possibly along the lines of Keaton, but I don't think fans or the general public would have ultimately accepted him; especially with the more than slight resemblence to Tobey Maguire. I obviously have no clue if talkbacks were the deciding factor, but I am sure there are some ex-interns of studios that could probably tell us all how they at least had to read each silly post. Now why I have posted three names for Joker so much is due to the simple fact that I think all three could possibly work, but I promise this will be my final post on the matter since the Adrien Brody seed has at least started to sprout on other site's boards. If you have noticed in prior months my first Joker choice was always John Glover, but I realize he is no longer feasible; although I still think he could have been a perfect Willy Wonka.

  • March 8, 2004, 8:11 p.m. CST

    "I'd be much more frightened of an ALL BLACK Batman costume than

    by Logo Lou

    Actually you wouldn't. I mean unless your a super pussy. I mean lets be honest, I don't care how cool a batman costume is, or what the color scheme is... in real life I ain't afraid of a guy dressed up like bat or ANY superhero costume... unless he's trying masturbate on me.

  • March 8, 2004, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Gte Donnie Yen to choreograph it...

    by StoneMonkey

    he did an awesome job with TWINS EFFECT.

  • March 8, 2004, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Moriarty or Nordling--ACTUAL QUESTION!

    by The Llama

    Is there any sort of explanation given in the movie for why the now Far Eastern Ra's al Ghul character uses an Arabic name?

  • March 8, 2004, 10:54 p.m. CST

    umm.

    by ReDWasK

    how did Bruce Wayne script (batman) lead to the Smallville show? seems funny

  • March 9, 2004, 12:52 a.m. CST

    MY FIRST CHOICE for the JOKER would be Alan Cumming (see origina

    by JDanielP

    I have to say that I'm very surprised that more "talk-backers" aren't mentioning Alan Cumming for the role of the Joker. (He played Nightcrawler in "X2") When I saw him in the original "SPY KIDS", I could just see it ... like when he sang, it reminded me of the Joker singing in the graphic novel "The Killing Joke", beautifully illustrated by Brian Bolland. In "Spy Kids", even Alan Cumming's style of clothing wasn't far off the mark for the Joker. (Check it out, people.) But, I will admit, I don't think choices such as Adrien Brody or Crispin Glover are bad. It's just my opinion that Alan Cumming is the best choice. And as for Harley Quinn, Reese Witherspoon seems just as perfect for the role, with my second choice being Kate Hudson. And I for one would LOVE to see Robin Williams as the Ventriloquist, with his dummy sidekick Scareface (though one could argue that the Ventriloquist is the sidekick). -- Thanks for the coverage on "BATMAN BEGINS", Harry. Keep it coming. Now, if only we could get some more Superman news.

  • March 9, 2004, 1:11 a.m. CST

    declan - dude, adrien brody as joker....thatd be cool casting !!

    by xhorbius

    just as i think sarah clarke of 24 should play the baroness in the G.I.Joe movie....hell yah!

  • March 9, 2004, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Time for your daily beatings

    by Raul Monkey

    Nothing like the smarmy immaturity of a Talkback to piss you off after some heartwarming cinematic news. Bleh, who needs it? Why come to a site that gives you all of this information on movies if you think that they're so shitty? Why does it hold any interest for you to see what galls you? But of course it is illogical. Most of you are borderline retarded eleven-year-olds. I understand, the world can be a frustrating place for you sometimes. Might I busying yourselves over at http://www.activityvillage.co.uk ?

  • March 9, 2004, 2:17 a.m. CST

    title change

    by Jeebs

    I believe a more appropriate title would be "Batman: The Beginning" which keeps the word "Begin" in the title without departing from the movie's purpose. Just my 2 cents!

  • March 9, 2004, 2:25 a.m. CST

    This does look interesting indeed. Say what you will about the p

    by TheGinger Twit

  • March 9, 2004, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Screw the 'Batman' titles and just call it 'The Dark Knight'. Sa

    by TheGinger Twit

  • March 9, 2004, 3:30 a.m. CST

    All this coverage for Batman and none for Deuce Bigalow: Europea

    by jules windex

    And I still say Nicole Kidman IS The Joker.

  • March 9, 2004, 6:29 a.m. CST

    The more I hear

    by ROBE

    This movie looks like it will be really good, then again?

  • March 9, 2004, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Who is the Joker? Two Words...

    by Drworm2002

    Crispin Glover. If you have ever seen Willard you would agree...Yes Willard was not a great movie...but Crispin would make a great Joker. If you can't get him then I would say...Alan Cumming. Yes!

  • March 9, 2004, 11:16 p.m. CST

    interesting approach...

    by jackburtonlives

    most films that take such things for granted are generally better paced. having to explain batman's origins, where he got his gizmos, his fighting skills, blah blah can really kill the pacing of a movie. why not just enter into the fray? ******could be interesting, but it seems like an EXECUTIVE decision to incorporate kung fu, wire fu, spandex, etc. into the movie. WHO really needs to know where the batarang comes from anyway? why not just show him using it instead of showing a belabored flashback to him beaning his younger brother with a coke-can-prototype-batarang to 'explain' it? damn suits!

  • March 9, 2004, 11:18 p.m. CST

    interesting approach...

    by jackburtonlives

    most films that take such things for granted are generally better paced. having to explain batman's origins, where he got his gizmos, his fighting skills, blah blah can really kill the pacing of a movie. why not just enter into the fray? ******could be interesting, but it seems like an EXECUTIVE decision to incorporate kung fu, wire fu, spandex, etc. into the movie. WHO really needs to know where the batarang comes from anyway? why not just show him using it instead of showing a belabored flashback to him beaning his younger brother with a coke-can-prototype-batarang to 'explain' it? damn suits!

  • March 10, 2004, 5:01 p.m. CST

    So uh...

    by Adent

    is Ra's Al Ghul really Ra's Al Ghul? Or does Ducard end up being Ra's Al Ghul?

  • March 10, 2004, 10:10 p.m. CST

    What little I read sounds good- AND

    by 900LBGorilla

    "I'm feeling really good about this; we can finally put those Burton debacles to rest. (The latter two don't even count, because no one takes them seriously, but I'm always irritated by people who try to give some sorta props to the first two. They were jive. They were jive and they sucked, even though at age 12 I didn't want to deal with that fact, they sucked. Straight up.) I've never liked any of Nolan's other movies (Memento was a chinese box) but this -- like King Kong -- is a free-throw for any reasonable director who accepts the material on its own terms, and it sounds like that's what Nolan and Co. are doing. God fucking bless 'em". - Preach the word brotha! ALL the Batcrap films thus far licked the sweat off donkey balls. Hey I love the character, but the closest we got to a good movie so far was Batman-tlejuice from Tim "I'm the most over-rated director of all time" Burton. This franchise has been the saddest success story in modern cinema. The movies made money, but then again so did "The Phantom Menace". At last we can erase this butt-streak of a movie series and start over- maybe this time the character will even get his due.

  • March 11, 2004, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Why can't you wait?

    by YoureAllFreaks

    I really don't get this obsession with having to see scripts before a movie comes out. Especially with film enthusiasts, who one would *think* would rather see the movie without know exactly what happens and already having formed an opinion on the film itself. Find something better to do with your time!

  • March 11, 2004, 2:23 p.m. CST

    twist

    by the_dark_knight

    i rekon the twist has something either to do with robin or the joker or even carmin or maybe harvey dent...........could be ne1

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