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Latest trailer for TROY hits and Peter O'Toole's voice will send shivers of delight down your spine!
Hey folks, Harry here... the test screening has gone great, the trailers have all been excellent, the cast is amazing and the script is pretty great... till the final 5 pages or so, but those could have been changed back to the original text they were adapting... and not completely make me p-o'ed. NOW - they have their latest full trailer up in a variety of formats over at Yahoo, and man... from the opening intonations by Peter O'Toole talking to his son, as played by Orlando Bloom... you simply know that there is magic in that voice. Then when you see him, he brings such wondrous baggage as a star in an epic. He's been in the best of them and this seems like another classy big epic for him and I hope that Wolfgang and crew have knocked it out of the park. I'm dying to see Eric Bana's Hector... Brad Pitt's Achilles and of course... HELEN OF TROY herself, she looks mighty yummilicious!
Cast off here for TROY!
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For one of the most prominent characters in the story and probably the movie as well, Mr. Bean ain't really getting much exposure.
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Only Australians will get this, but does anyone else remember that character he used to do on his show where he put on a long black wig that hung over his face and just walked around the streets with a microphone mumbling "So whaddaya reckon" to passersby? It never got more complicated than that but goddamn, that was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Almost as funny as 'Poida'. And TROY looks like nine kinds of ass-kicker.
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But silver spoons takes on a different meaning with this pretty boy
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This year will give us a glut of period epics: Hidalgo, Troy, King Arthur, Alexander. I must be forgetting a few. This will be the best.
"Before my day is done, King of Kings, I will look down upon your corpse and smile."
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Cassandra was Paris sister, she could see in to the future. She tried to warn everyone that Paris would be Troy's downfall, but because she was cursed no one believed her predictions. Peterson really should have put that character in the film.
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i love ancient history. i love movies. i'm pretty stoked
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Cant wait for this, it will be cool to see what Singer does.
Here's my casting:
Logan=Jude Law
Jessica6=Keira Knightley
Francis(Bad Guy)= Christian Bale
Holly= Charlize Theron
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Maybe its not too late. Why don't you call Petersen and tell him about his shocking oversight re: Cassandra's absence? There might still be time for re-shoots. Clearly his advisers on the ancient Greek world lack your expertise on that era, gleaned no doubt through an entire two semesters of community college. Or perhaps (and I know this is way out there) it was decided that a Hollywood production of this size need not, in every respect, accurately depict real historical events. And maybe they also reasoned that a 2/3 hour epic might not be enough time in which to squeeze in every goddamn mythological character you can fucking think of. What do you think?
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It looks now like I am picking on you, and I really don't mean to. But your cast choices - Jesus fucking Christ, why do you people always need to have a Top 10 list of actors who should be in every movie role, ever. For example, Ian McKellen, a truly terrific actor, and we all loved his Gandalf. But he's not the only English actor of mature age out there, and a couple of years ago you never even heard of him. So does he really need to be cast in every "white male, 50-65" role in the fucking world?
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It's my understanding that, in the Bronze Age, the standard tactic was to form infantry into tightly disciplined phalanxes, with the front-rankers using shields and short swords while the guys behind 'em used long spears. In this trailer, the Hellenes appear to be charging the Trojan defenses all willy-nilly, instead of marching up in the way I expected. I understand that things could break down once the battle really got rolling, and that the poem showcases plenty of mano a mano duels, but that first clash is putting me off. Am I off base here? Is the first clash of the armies rendered accurately, and had the phalanx not yet been invented at the time of the Trojan War? Curiously, FC.
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Ian McKellen should be in every fucking movie ever made, he's simply fantastic. I don't want him in Logan's Run as the old man just because he played Gandalf, I want him in it because he'll be fucking brilliant, you know it.
Cassandra is more important than say Thetis or Briseis, I think the filmakers really slipped up by not including this tragic figure. Cassandra begins to detest her brother for the misery he has brought on her(& her people), she also hates Helen, she then ends up as a slave for Agamemnon, plus you have her premonitions that no one believes. I think they should have put some of her story in this movie version. -
Fuck Bana, that flavour of the barbie nothing, where's Bean and Odysseus?
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Oh man, what do we have here..Brad Pitt, now don't get me wrong I love the guy but frankly,He has zero credibility for this type of film. And the same goes for Orlando, Bana and the rest of the cast. And worst of all, They speak english! lol ,Can't they respect the original language of these historical figures? Hollywood is the cancer of cinema. If I'm seeing it, I'll do an exception just because of Sean Bean.
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SH'es ben knocked from the leading actors list since the last trailer.
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Hey, how about going to see it for his performance too? Hmm, but I must confess I REALLY don't wanna go see this...the cgi's look lame...and then there's brad pitt...and then I do know the whole story as written in like every greek mythology book anyways...I'm not seeing very much incentive to spend my 7-8 bucks for this movie besides O'Toole (...ok, and Sean Bean)
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just don't have the punch in my opinion. He looks the part, but his "immortality" cry just doesn't have the verocity of, say, Braveheart or Gladiator.
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"where are the GODS?" is an even better one..... I know WHY Peterson and company have chosen to delete the Greek pantheon from their film (the reason being that they are following the currently popular trend of adaptations that try to make these stories more "real") but a story about the Trojan War without the Greek gods in it is just a rip off of the original. The gods played such an integral part in The Iliad that taking them out makes it into a completely different tale altogether, IMO.
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PETER O'TOOLE IS A GOD! HE CAN STAND IN A CORNER, PRETEND HE IS A SHRUBBERY AND STILL OUT ACT THE ENTIRE FUCKING ROOM!!!!...That being said, Sir O'Toole has done exactly that in films like Supergirl and Caligula.....and Troy smells 'o bit like it may belong in this category.....And thus, where's the downloadable trailer? - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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Mar 05, 2004 8:25:05 AM CST
Could Brad Pitt possibly deliver his lines more stilted and unna
by spyguy
I watched the trailer on Access Hollywood last night and Peter O'Toole seems to be the only person in the movie who can act. So what is Brad's accent supposed to be anyway? Greek? Roman? The exact same as his delivery in INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE? I get the distinct feeling this film wants to be LORD OF THE RINGS in the worst way, but falls far, far short. Women will dig it for the fembot hunk factor, but behold the power of cheese...
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JBG -- Your obvious and admirable grasp on the ancient text notwithstanding, I believe you're confusing your epics here. Cassandra plays a major role in Vergil's Aeneid. But she is mentioned only in passing (if at all) in Homer's Iliad. This movie seems based more on Homer's version than Vergil's (though Petersen has made the wise choice to bring in the Trojan Horse, which is a necessary climax for today's audiences).
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at least a few hundred years after when the Trojan war was thought to have been fought, armies did fight in close-nit phalanxes with long spears, the victor being the one who had the will to keep pressing forward. They were dependent on no one turning to run. It's a good bet they fought like that at Troy, but that's never stopped hollywood before. Movie looks pretty good. Pitt's a good choice for Achilles. PJ psychos will disagree, but this looks better than the bloated POS that ROTK was. At least wolfgang peterson won't saturate his film with horrible acting and excessive slo-mo.
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Mar 05, 2004 9:47:20 AM CST
Like LOTR, like that Jesus movie, TROY reinforces negative stere
by bill maher
The whole plot of this movie is pure bullshit. Some dude from Turkey convinces a Greek queen to run away with him and her husband and other Greek leaders spend ten years trying to get her back. Two of the main Greeks have a big fight over an Amazon chick. All of this would lead the gullible moviegoer to believe that Greek men are heterosexual. We all know that's a goddamned lie! Greeks did more to make poo-stabbing mainstream than Will & Grace, Richard Simmons and the mountain men in Deliverance. To think that any Greek guy is going to risk getting his pecker chopped off for a chick is absurd -even if he could learn some valuable lipstick advice from her. The hacks who made this movie will probably gloss over Achilles and his boy-toy Patroclus and their relationship (Patroclus will be his cousin or GOOD FRIEND). This is pure homophobia of the Pastor Fred Phelps variety. Shame on the people who made this movie and the people who promote this kind of gay-bashing.
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It's pretty hard to line men up in heavy armor on a beach and keep any kind of order, as anyone who has tried to play touch football on a beach knows. I threw a perfectly-timed pass to a guy who was supposed to run an 8-pattern (that's a post-pattern for you nerds). The motherfucker couldn't maneuver in the sand and fell flat on his face and then ran over to where the chicks were, and he pretended to be all hurt and started rubbing lotion on them and yelled "FUCK YOU AND YOUR 8-PATTERN! I'M BUSY!". The next play, my line couldn't stop anyone and I got the shit beat out of me. Those are the problems the Greeks would have faced. Sand and surf have a way of screwing up discipline and sunbathing teenagers cause too much distraction.
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Mar 05, 2004 10:10:08 AM CST
if they ever make a version of the Iliad for grown-ups . . . woo
by hud
Trailer looks like a by-the-numbers run through action-movie conventions of the last 10 years, and there's something deflatingly comic about this Iliad-via-Pasadena Playhouse casting. Even the production design looks inspired more by Malibu villas than ancient Near East geography (more sand! more filtered lighting! more ochre highlights!), but it's probably going to have 10 or 15 minutes in it that will really wow us.
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good points, if you've never seen LoTR.
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I doubt this movie version is accurate(no Goddesses!), but did'nt Cassandra forsee the wooden Horse? I think it would have been cool to see her progressively go mad through out the movie. just my 2c
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Thanks for the quotes, I can just imagine her pulling her hair out in frustration! Could have been a great character in the movie...anyway lets talk about the absence of Iphigenia from the movie...only j/k ;-)
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I think it would be even better if the Energizer Bunny makes an appearance. Instead of banging a drum, he can bang a mini-shield. That would improve the movie, in my humble opinion. Also, if they could add a time-travel angle to this movie, then by all means they should.
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Brad Pitt is an actor who really "works" in very few roles. This doesn't appear to be one of them. He doesn't bring the type of weight to a scene that someone like Russell Crowe would bring. Simply bad casting - I've been jazzed about seeing this film, but the more footage I see of Pitt actually having to act, the worse this film looks.
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Mar 05, 2004 11:53:38 AM CST
Pud, The only people who reinforce negative stereotypes are raci
by rcamacho2278
honestly, you people bitch about the smallest things. Its like when the puerto ricans were crying when Jerry seinfeld had that skit about kramer stepping on the burning flag. GASP how OFFENSIVE. Or when those french canadians Bitched about Triumph calling them pussies, GASP! how could he DO such a thing.
Everyone these days are trying so fucken hard to be so fucken proper with a hipocritical atttitude.Lets focus on an exposed tittie but lets not focus on the fact that we just killed a buncha innocent people in the name of "freedom" .
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I've never seen a Blond-haired Greek before. Couldn't have Brad Pitt at least dyed his hair black to look a little bit more realistic. Just looking at him takes you out of the movie.
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If this movie is set in ancient Greece, why do all the actors speak with English accents?
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When I play the trailer, I go to my cache and see the QTPlugin#### file.
I remember being able to rename it with ".mov" and being able to watch it later.
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...can read the washing instructions on a cheap T-shirt and make it sound like Shakespeare.
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Mar 05, 2004 2:40:10 PM CST
because english accents make your dialogue sound important and h
by shigeru
But I still am greatly looking forward to this. And I still think Pitt owns. The Spartans certainly fought close knit, shield to shield with long spears phalanx type schtuff, even in the extreme throws of battle....which I'm NOT seeing in the trailers... maybe cause not all of them are Spartans?
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The Greek Phalanx wasn't developed for another 300-400 years after the Trojan War, so we shouldn't see it here in this movie. Great piece of historical accuracy on the film-maker's part, when at first glance it looks like they are wrong in omitting the tactic (well, at least according to the HISTORY PROFESSORS IN THIS TALKBACK).
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I don't care if it doesn't follow Homer's book. I don't care if they talk with accents. I don't care if Brad is blond. I just want to be entertained and this movie looks like it will do that.
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for streching the talkback!
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It is going to suck^3. Pitt looks lost, Bana cant wait to hulk out, Legolas is _____, and Helen? is way too fucking modern looking to play that role. Brian Cox is better than this shit.
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Mar 05, 2004 11:31:16 PM CST
Yes, but where's the scene showing Achilles disguised as a girl?
by dillene
And where's Diomedes, dammit? He's the best character in the Iliad!
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FromBeyond & JollyGreen ... I agree that Cassandra is a great character, and one day there should be a great movie version about the last days of the fall of Troy (rather than about the Trojan War, which is what this movie seems to be about). But I believe Wolfgang and company can make a strong case for why they, like Homer, left Cassandra out. Consider Homer's themes... domesticity (Hector) vs. wildness (Achilles). Familial commitment vs. Self-Importance. Effeminacy vs. Masculinity. While Cassandra would bring some nice melodrama to the plot (how much more melodrama do we need, though... this is already the greatest melodrama of all time!), I believe she would be a distraction from the themes... this is probably why Homer didn't include her. (Though I loved reading the quotes you pulled up from other sources... great stuff!... just wrong movie, is all). I'm looking forward to the movie, and like somebody else said, I don't particularly care if it's by-the-book faithful... I just want a good movie. I simply was attempting to explain why it is not an egregious omission by any stretch to leave out Cassandra.... Wolfgang & Co are just following Homer's lead!
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Peter Jackson is probably looking at this shit and laughing his (11 Oscar Winning) ass to fucking sleep. This movie looks like it's desperately to trying win a fucking Oscar, with made for TV performances. When will these so-called EPIC MOVIE MAKERS learn, that they can't do what Peter Jackson has done. You know this to be true!
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This should be the must see movie of 2004 and hopefully come 2005 should walk off with loads of Oscars.
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Nice going, jerkoff. Little Internet posting lesson for you: Notice now what happens when you DON'T put spaces between words? And your worthless babbling consists of nothing but consecutive letters that run on far too long? Yeah, that's right -- it stretches the talkback out, makes it a pain in the ass for everyone to read and participate in a discussion, and it certifies you with a shining spotlight as clod of the moment. Oh yeah, TROY looks great and Wolfgang is a solid director who certainly tends to deliver solid productions and solid entertainment. So I'm certainly looking forward to this. The footage we've seen so far certainly kicks major ass.
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Hey, thanks for the info on Greek battle tactics & the rough time period of phalanx development. Appreciate it.
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Peter O'Toole rules. Pitt dumped the Aranofsky film for this?
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zzzzzzzzzz... what?! Is it over? Good, let's go home and watch "Gladiator".
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According to Homer, Achilles had a made lover named Patroclus who went with him to fight at Troy.
Supposedly, Achilles and Patroclus made out for days during the siege of Troy.
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but you never know.
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Some that has read the script wrote this when asked about each actors screen time which is good since I know he can act CIRCLES around most of the cast. Unfortunetly that does not really count for anything when making sure people know Brad,Orlando and Eric are in the movie. I marked it spoilers since there are screenplay tidbits in here
Here is what she wrote
Bean fans, I predict, will be quite content with the meat of his role. He gets to be funny and brave and wily.
He gets to make a priceless crack about Paris
judging from the screenplay, his screentime will be equal to that of brian cox and orlando bloom. They have eliminated the part
of Nestor, so Odysseus is doing double duty.
He is Agamemnon's strategist, official Achilles handler, and of course he fights.
His screen time seems second only to that of the leads, Hector and Achilles. All the secondary characters such as Priam, Paris,
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Mar 07, 2004 10:35:28 PM CST
NEW RULE: Some LotR fans are awfully insecure. I guess even the
by bill maher
... and Wagner's operas into a bloodless, sexless series of books for bloodless, sexless weirdos who hang out in comic shops and beat off while reciting poetry translated into elvish. The Trojan War probably won't have elephants or battle scenes ripped off from The Empire Strikes Back and Braveheart, like LOTR. But it has characters with real motivation and emotion. One character who probably won't be in the movie is Iphegenia (Agamemnon's daughter). She's more interesting than all the gay midgets, wizards and Aryan superman-kings Tolkien could have ever HOPED to steal from his betters. So all you dungeonmasters out there who think you can bolster a lame series of novels and a way overrated series of movies by slamming others should take your entire collection of multi-sided dice and shove them FAR up your fat asses. And then fuck off.
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"I just want to be entertained and this movie looks like it will do that."
Yes, and the 80% like you are the reason that most movies are pure shit. You're a moron and you're easily entertained by any piece of shit. All it takes are moving pictures with pretty colors and you're drooling for two hours. You and your brethren are the reason that a redneck is the US president. It's a sad, sad world when the majority are freakin' morons. Step up with your $10 moron! -
Mar 08, 2004 4:20:54 AM CST
Pitt is so overrated, and actor who truly has skated by on so ca
by the founder
I like Pitt in some roles, and he's a good enough actor, but this man has yet to actually star in a film that has made a ton of money. Sure his films seem to make their budget back, but how much of an actual profit does the studio actually make? Pitt is not like Cruise, Hanks, even Will Smith, these guys movie make hundreds of millions, especially Cruise, so he warrents the big pay check, but Pitt gets 20 plus million a film, and to me he's just not worth, I don't see. I guess it's cause he so in demand that he makes a lot of money. I'll check out Troy, but as someone else mentioned, Pitt doesn't bring the weight to the role like someone like Russell Crowe would have.
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1) I know some Blonde Greeks (no hair dye required). The Greeks became darker haired over the years due to some occupations from the East and subsequent mixing of the blood with the darker haired Eastern peoples. 2) The Ilyad is just one version of part of the Trojan War stories. Some versions have Paris survive and escape with Helen, at least has Hector and Achillies kill each other (Hector stabbing Achilies in the heel as he turns after mortally wounding him) and the timing of Odyseus slaying of Ajax varies between before the seige of Troy to during the seige in some versions. Like most ancient legends the truth if any is lost in the mists of time. 3) The Gods would of made this a fantasy type film where they are obviously going for more a sense of pseudo history. 4) Even in the Ilyad the strange thing is that the Trojans are on the whole portrayed to be on the whole gentler and more decent individuals. 5) I wonder if we'll get to see Achillies offing the queen of the Amazons and then showing one of his few moments of genuine remorse.
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You really think Homer made up the story of the Trojan War? How fucking stupid can you be.
My god, that's about the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life.
The epic tradition is not based on "original" material, but on fashioning great poetry out of traditional myth and folklore--not very dissimilar from what Tolkien did.
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