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Moriarty Has Seen THE PUNISHER!!

Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

First confession: I’ve read very little of THE PUNISHER. I’ve read a lot of comic books in my life, and I’m certainly aware of the character, but I wouldn’t profess any special knowledge of Frank Castle or his story.

Second confession: I fully expected this film to suck.

I can’t even fully explain why. Maybe it’s because I’ve never sparked to the character. Maybe it’s because the teaser trailer did nothing for me. Maybe it’s because Jonathan Hensleigh’s never directed before, and most of the films he’s worked on have been giant Hollywood spectacles.

Or maybe it was just John Travolta that had me worried. Would you blame me?

At any rate, when I got asked to come out to see the film last week, I decided to set aside all my hesitations and just give it a shot. What convinced me was the open enthusiasm I kept hearing as I spoke to Kevin Fiege and Ari Arad. They sounded confident, sure of what they had. They’d invited me to a press conference in Tampa last year that took place near the end of filming, but I was on vacation, a belated honeymoon with my wife, and even though the idea of visiting the set of a Marvel movie in my old hometown was appealing, I had to pass. It just didn’t time out right. Now, just a few months later, it seemed, they were calling to say the film was done and ready to be seen. Frankly, I’m shocked at how fast it was finished, but if they were ready to show it, I figured they must be proud of it.

And, now that I’ve seen it, I know why.

Jonathan Hensleigh’s credits as a writer include THE SAINT, JUMANJI, CON AIR, and of course, the biggest film he ever wrote, Michael Bay’s ARMAGEDDON. It would be easy to look at a list of the films he’s written and assume that you will be getting more of the same with THE PUNISHER.

Easy, but incorrect.

THE PUNISHER has more in common with the work of Don Seigel and John Frankenheimer than it does with the work of Michael Bay or Simon West. Which isn't to say that it's the equal of those classics, but at least Hensleigh's got the right idea. To Hensleigh’s credit, what he’s done here is make a character-driven revenge drama that resolutely refuses to fit into the easy current definition of the “comic-book” movie. This isn’t like any of the other recent Marvel movies, so before you start screaming at me about BLADE 2 or DAREDEVIL or HULK, save yourself the hassle. This is nothing like those films, whatever you think of them.

Is it like the source material? Honestly, I can’t answer that question. Does it work as a movie? Yeah. It sure does.

Frank Castle, played by Thomas Jane, is a great undercover cop, but he’s tired of it. He’s got a little boy and a wife, played by the lovely Samantha Mathis, who projects such an earthy, natural charm that it’s easy to see why Frank values them both so much. He wants a real life with them, especially when his latest bust ends with the death of a young man, the wealthy son of Howard Saint, played by John Travolta. Castle walks away, disillusioned, hoping to start over in a better life. But...

… yes, that’s right. There’s always a but, and in this case, it’s the grief of two parents that hangs over Castle like a shadow, pursuing him. Howard Saint and his wife Livia (Laura Harring of MULHOLLAND DRIVE) are both ruined, shattered by their boy’s death. It’s actually her who orders their footsoldiers to kill Castle’s entire family.

Frank and his family gather for a reunion in the Bahamas.. All the Castles together, including Frank’s father (Roy Scheider). It’s a perfect setup... isolated, all of them caught unaware. When Hensleigh sends in the goons with the machine guns, it’s a bloodbath. Castle doesn’t just lose a wife and a child. He loses every single person that connects him to the world. He’s cut completely loose and then left for dead.

The thing that makes this such a refreshing change from the other Marvel movies is that Frank doesn’t suddenly get magic powers. He doesn’t figure out he’s a mutant. He can’t fly or bend steel bars or shoot flame out of his fingers.

No, the amazing thing that Frank does is he survives. He lives when he shouldn’t. No one else could have.

And he grieves. He aches for what he’s lost.

Castle nurses that private pain, and he plans revenge. He doesn’t mean to serve justice or turn someone in to the cops. He wants to hurt those who hurt him. It’s that simple. Someone reached into his life and disrupted it, and he decides to use this improbable second chance at life for one purpose: revenge.

Hensleigh’s taken his cues here from films like John Boorman’s masterful POINT BLANK. Thomas Jane is a fascinating actor who hasn’t had the benefit of much good material in his career. BOOGIE NIGHTS was an impressive introduction to him, and even though the film THURSDAY is flawed, the work Jane did in it suggested even bigger and better things. He’s perfect for this role because he’s an implosive personality rather than an explosive one. He simmers. He seems like he’s riding out this barely-restrained rage, and in the moments where he actually lets go and lashes out, he’s impressively scary.

I expected Jane to do good work, though. The film’s real surprise is John Travolta. It took me a little while to get used to his performance in this film, and I think I’ve finally figured out why. It’s been such a long time since he’s given a genuine performance that didn’t draw on his bag of tricks that I actually forgot what it looked like when he just acted. Like many movie stars, Travolta’s been coasting for a while now, making safe choices, doing fairly over-the-top work. Movies like DOMESTIC DISTURBANCE and BASIC have been hard to set through, obvious movies that gave him very hammy roles to chew on. Here, he’s the model of restraint. He’s in shock. Even worse, he feels alone, paranoid, unable to even turn to his wife or his second-in-command, played incredibly well by Will Patton. He’s adrift, and like Frank, all he can fill this sudden gnawing emptiness with is revenge. Even as his business falls apart, he stays focused on Frank Castle.

And, yeah... it’s pretty much just that simple. There’s no manufactured bigger crisis that Frank has to avert. There’s no greater good that he starts serving. There are people in his run-down apartment building who he forms tenuous connections to, a sort of substitute family of misfits. There’s Joan (Rebecca Romijn-Stamos), mousy and tired and absolutely unable to pick a guy who isn’t going to beat her up. She moves from city to city to get away from rotten relationships, but she’s getting to the age where running doesn’t make sense any more. Bumpo (Jon Pinette) and Dave (Ben Foster) just don’t fit anywhere else. Even though they manage to get Castle to connect to the world again, they aren’t able to turn him from the task at hand, and in the end, they’re no substitute for his real family. Their small kindnesses to Frank don’t go unrewarded, but he is too far gone to step back into a normal life.

Lately, I’ve seen some great revenge films. Both OLD BOY and KILL BILL, VOL. I made my ten best list for 2003, and they set the bar pretty high. THE PUNISHER doesn’t try for the same sort of surreal visual power as Chan Wook Park’s film, and it isn’t drunk on exploitation iconography like Tarantino’s film. It's a small film. THE PUNISHER is pulp, served up gritty and ugly and brutal. It’s not jam-packed full of one-liners. What humor there is in the film is dark. There’s a fist fight in the middle of the film that is wildly violent, deadly serious, but there’s such an abandon to it that you can’t help but laugh. Hensleigh manages to do here what Helgeland almost pulled off with PAYBACK, a modern-day tough guy movie that's actually tough.

The choice to set the film in Tampa instead of New York seems to be a controversial choice with some fans, but I like it. I like seeing this story set in harsh daylight instead of the same rainy, dark city setting that has been recycled a zillion times in recent years. Travolta’s a money launderer, among other things, so it makes sense that he’d be set up on the Gulf of Mexico. I grew up in the Tampa Bay area and Conrad Hall, Jr. shot the hell out of the city. His cinematography is crisp and colorful, but not overly slick. This doesn’t feel like some music video with extra violence, some overly stylized commercial. It’s obvious that the most important thing to Hensleigh is his cast. He makes the most out of everyone, and any director who gets this kind of work out of Travolta deserves some sort of medal. Each action sequence has its own tempo. He’s not out to make the biggest, loudest, craziest rollercoaster ride he can. That’s what something like SPIDER-MAN 2 or HULK is for. THE PUNISHER plays meaner and smaller, a personal story. It’s a $30 million film, after all, not some giant budget summer blockbuster. Maybe the size of the film is the reason they got away with as much as they do.

In the end, the success or failure of this film rests on two pairs of shoulders. Thomas Jane holds up his end of the deal, and his work here should open some doors for the guy finally. He sells a character that is, admittedly, thin by design. He invests Frank with real humanity and also a convincing sense of menace. And Jonathan Hensleigh deserves high marks for focusing on his cast over effects and character over explosions. It's a self-assured debut for him as a filmmaker, and if it represents a turning point in his career, that would be a welcome thing, indeed. You get the feeling watching this that this is where his heart's been all along.

I’m working on a ton of other material for this weekend, so I’ll see you then.

"Moriarty" out.

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  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:06 p.m. CST


    by stlfilmwire

    refreshing to hear that the movie doesn't take place in a pitch dark world where nobody knows how to turn on the lights. Thanks.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:07 p.m. CST


    by ZeusXerxes

    I can't imagine that this movie has all the subtext that M is trying to relate. Plus, you haven't read much Punisher? Why the hell is Avi even talking to you?

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:07 p.m. CST

    I am not a fan of the punisher but I think I'll like this movie

    by Roborob

    I like revenge movies and I even liked the first Punisher movie, so this one should be good. YaY!

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Color me astonished

    by FrankCobretti

    I was fully expecting to hear that this movie sucked like Jenna Jameson with a trailer hitch.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:10 p.m. CST

    So what makes this a "comic book" film?

    by oceansized

    Other than the obvious fact it's based on a comic. No reference to any magic powers, or weapons, or even costumes. Does he go by the name "The Punisher" after he starts his raging rampage of revenge? A little insight here would be appreciated.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Hmmmm.... Maaaaaybe

    by Fearsme

    I dont know, im eager to see the thing... and this good review certainly makes me hope for something truly good. I still feel burned from last years double sucker punch of the shittacular hulk and Daredevil (which should have been called LEATHER FETISH MAN vs. UNCLE REMUS). My only major WHAAAAAA moment came from hearing that Rebecca Romaijn Stamos is playing Joan. Ive read a lot of the comics. Joan wasnt supposed to be a hottie.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Interesting. I was expecting this film to be terrible.

    by Psyclops

    Sounds like they made it work. I'll keep my expectations reasonable when I see it. I'm not a fan of The Punisher either and those trailers were crap but if the movie as a whole is successful then I'll definitely check it out.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:19 p.m. CST

    All those Frankenheimer and Siegel references are cool and all,,

    by Jimmy Jazz

    and this could very well be the tight, small character study that moriarty is talking about. But what does this have to do with the Punisher or Frank Castle? Why go through the trouble of getting the rights for a character when you are going to change it beyond all recognition?

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Really, Mori? I mean - really?

    by BuckyKatt

    I just can't swallow this is a good movie -- almost, since you seem to have some solid reasons why you like it. But not quite. Punisher never worked for me. He was everything I hated about the trend in comics towards big guns and unlimited ammo, even though he predated it. And movie-wise, I've seen Bronson and Eastwood and others -- does this bring something new I haven't seen before? Maybe, sounds like it did for you. It's just hard to believe. I can't afford to see many flicks right now -- still dunno if this would be worth my $8-$10.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Just what we needed...

    by Uncle_Les

    ...some HARD R ACTION without a need to glamourize the violence. And what better way to do so than with such a kick-ass Marvel franchise as THE PUNISHER. Rock on, Frank. Rock on. Peace Out.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:27 p.m. CST

    the quinlaner

    by hank quinlan

    Some friends of ours worked on this movie in a rather close capacity. One of them is a movie guru who has probably forgotten more grindhouse cinema then Tarantino. He has worked on some iconic films of the last 20 years and is pretty dismissive of them. But he actually said this is exactly what Moriarity said it is. An old school revenge flick. I don't know about you but I love those. Point Blank, Get Carter, Rolling Thunder etc. I am very curious. I agree the trailer looked ummmm less then spectacular but I am interested after so many tough sells liked the movie. Daredevil has been all over cable. It did not hold up well. I even gave it a thumbs up last Feb, mediocre as it was. Hulk had some amazing moments but over all...well I think we all know. Sadly this opens the same week as Kill Bill. Good for me. But gonna be interesting to see what ther public goes for. I really hope it's good. Punisher deserves it. I heard Jane worked his ass off. Let's see.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by fabfunk

    This sounds fucking good... but I dunno... this was the site that told me I would have to kiss Ben Affleck's ass after DAREDEVIL... here's hoping this is really cool... I needs some good old bloody, macho revenge.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Wow, I didn't think I'd ever say this...

    by chrth

    But this guy is obviously a Plant! Don't let the funky font fool you, Mori's been co-opted by Marvel. You sell out! .... I'm just bustin' you ;) ... I think in the sequel, the Punisher should go down to Miami, and then we can watch David Caruso try to catch him!

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:38 p.m. CST

    I hate to sound like a broken record, but i to was expecting thi

    by The Founder

    Mori's reviews usually have been preety close for me, so I'll check it out, hell I was going to check it out anyway, but I feel a bit of relief now.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:44 p.m. CST


    by Johnson McGregor

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Don't get your hopes up to high people, if Marvel and Company do

    by The Founder

    The release date is getting pretty close, so the powers that be had better cut a kick ass trailor soon, or it won't matter the quaility of the movie, people won't go see it. Although I know a little of the Punisher, most of the mainstream don't, and sadly I've seen the trailor like 3 or 4 times in packed movie houses, and it didn't stir up an ounce of interest, it looked like something that would be an HBO movie or a straight to video release.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I told you! I knew it!

    by Stormin

    I knew from the beginning that this movie was going to be gold, I told all you Doubting Thomases, and yet you laughed! Laughed! They called me mad! Well, who's mad NOW? MUAHAHAHA!

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Does it have the our hero rescuing a busload of small children?

    by rev_skarekroe

    No? Then it's not MY Punisher! sk

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 3:52 p.m. CST

    See, I've given every Marvel movie a chance

    by Terry_1978

    Only for the simple fact that I got the chance to see them in live action form for once. I'll be seeing this, regardless of the reviews, and it Mori can stomach it, it's worth a viewing.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 4:08 p.m. CST


    by AlgertMopper

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 4:09 p.m. CST

    welcome back

    by gredenko

    sounds like it's pretty heavily influenced by welcome back, frank, which is what the filmmakers said but something i didn't believe after seeing the trailer. the thing is, you either like this kind of story or you don't. and to the guy who asked what makes this a comic book movie... come on?! not everyone in comics wears tights and shoots lazers. punisher has always been a tough sell in the comics i think, and he's had good and bad writers but welcome back, frank was a pretty unflinching look at the machine that frank castle had become, so i'm thinking this movie sounds just about right. oh, and you know, if you have the privilige of seeing an advance cut of the film and you know it's based on a comic, why not pick up one to just check in with it? geesh!

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 4:10 p.m. CST

    This is AMAZING fucking news!

    by R0BTRAIN

    I had given up hope for PUNISHER. I absolutely love the Garth Ennis storylines. I think its great they're using Spacker Dave and the goofy neighbors. I need cool fucking shootout. This is what John Woo used to put out. I wanted this film to be the new KILLER. Unfortunately studios have wanted to tone down film body-counts, except for the notable exceptions of Kill Bill and oddly enough Bad Boys 2, which had tons of collateral damage but was still a shitty movie. I'm excited to see Punisher now, Thanks Mori!

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 4:11 p.m. CST

    sounds like an ok movie...too bad it's not THE PUNISHER

    by BANE

    Plot sounds....okay, but really any fan of most of the Punisher books (Punisher, war journal or war zone)has got to say Huh?! This isn't the Punisher. Castle had alot of scars after Vietnam (granted he'd be a little too old for Jane to play) but then he comes home and with no intrest (not a cop!!!!) in the mob his family gets gunned down in crossfire. Punisher loses it and feels that the only one that he can trust is him and the justice of a gun (not really talking too much of his past in the Spidey books). Remember in The Dolph Punisher he was a cop too. The only nice point of this movie from the review is the addition of Ennis' supporting characters in his version of Frank. Can the movie provide the badass, scary yet Ennis funny Frank Castle? I'm not sold yet, but if I see any good trailers I might have to check this out. Hey, isn't Kevin Nash of NwO fame in this movie- anybody know? BANE

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 4:20 p.m. CST

    This is all great....

    by IAmMrMonkey

    ..BUT does it have my favourite bit from 'Welcome Back Frank' in it? I'm talking about the part where Frank Castle/The Punisher leads the bad guys into a zoo and, with no weapons to hand, uses various zoo animals to take em down? Can't quote it exactly from the comic (fuzzy memory) but I wanna see dialogue like: "I want you to kill the animal that did this to me!" "You want us to whack a polar bear?" "No, you idiot - I want you to kill Castle!" Gawd bless you Garth Ennis. I am Mr Monkey!

  • The Punisher is the most realist of comicbook characters. He wasn't bitten by a spider, he's not a mutant, He can't fly, bend steel, or shoot flames, no has he been exposed to gamma radiation. Okay, he lost his loved ones, but he dosen't go around dressed up like a bat. It's a good thing Thomas Jane wears a shirt with the trademake skull on it. What i find amazing is that John Travolta is in this movie. I guess the colossal failure of "Battlefield Earth" was more devastating than we thought. By the way, is Hulk Hogan still gonna appear in this movie, Brother?

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 4:40 p.m. CST


    by Cletus Van Damme

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Even when the slap was fashionable in France...

    by Surf Ninja

    "I challenge you to a duel" they'd have a fucking gun fight after that!

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Mike Zeck's Punisher series was my favorite...

    by Boris the Blade

    I'm freakin' amazed Mori gave this a go. The Punisher was my favorite character all through my angry adolescence, so it'll be nice to see some justice done to him, finally. Truly, the trailer sucks big balls, so I totally wrote this flick off before today. I also hate Travolta "that man...must die.." gah.... Seeing Nash get knifed will be well worth it.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 4:55 p.m. CST

    He Came in wearing Dirty Cowboys Boots..

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    "I think I'm going to put my feet up" And the Muther fucker started grinding his dirty boots into the couch. AS far as The Punisher goes..... Off with The Russians HEAD.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 5:04 p.m. CST

    What'd the five fingers say to the face?

    by vealchop

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 5:49 p.m. CST

    This Moron also loved the dump that is Daredevil...

    by The Colonel

    Cold-blooooded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They shoulda never given you niggas a website!!!!!

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:02 p.m. CST


    by Johnson McGregor

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Uh-oh - ya didn't download it ......did ya ?

    by RobinP

    Just kidding with ya, Mori.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:04 p.m. CST

    by froggyman

    The Punisher has always been my favorite character, I guess for the same reasons others like him: he's just a man....a sad, angry, vengeful man, who knows how to kick serious ass. So for that reason I've been waiting to see this movie and have had high hopes. I can deal with changes made to characters for the sake of long as it comes across well on film. So let's hope this one works, and hope it beats out the competition.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:05 p.m. CST

    "But this is a remake, why would anyone want to see it?"(sarcasm

    by Darksider

    I'll see it and THEN bitch if it sucks.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:07 p.m. CST

    WTF? No Gay Robots?

    by Darth Phallus

    I'll reserve my judgment til after I see it of course but this looks like they may have missed the tone on this one. The Punisher is exactly the type of character movie that NEEDED the over-the-top-ness of the "comic book" movie to make it work. Underplaying The Punisher makes it just an updated Charles Bronson flick. I think what the fans really wanted to see here is fuckin' pissed off Bruce Campbell with a big fuckin' skull on his chest, carryin' a big fuckin' gun, blowin the shit out of some cool bad guys. "nuff said. Jeezus Chris I've had it with all of these "Hollywood Re-Imaginings," Why can't they just give us what we fucking want, the heroes and stories that have stood the test of time, then they can make ANOTHER movie and NOT call it The FUCKING PUNISHER!!! Thomas Jane was great in BOOGIE NIGHTS, hell, I even liked him in that stupid CGI shark movie, but he can kiss my ass as THE PUNISHER, beeyatch!

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:14 p.m. CST


    by Danger Mouse

    I'd totaly written this film off but now I'm excited!

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:16 p.m. CST

    "I'm Rick James, bitch."

    by Ribbons

    Dare I hope? Gg! I hope this review is valid. This is the first movie MARVEL's produced that I've had immediate concerns for, and if this turns out to be a movie that should have sucked but didn't instead of the other way around, they're in good graces. On the other hand, 'DareDevil' (yeah, I'm "that guy" that capitalizes both D's) was pretty awful at times and Mori liked that. And I wasn't even expecting a supermegamasterpiece. But yeah, good luck. Hopefully this'll (unofficially, along with 'Kill Bill, Vol.2) kickstart an enjoyable summer for film geeks. Oh, and this incarnation of Frank Castle and the "messed-up" Vietnam Frank Castle are essentially the same character. If anything, I think the Vietnam backstory was just exploiting the actual veterans of war, using its history as an excuse to "flesh out" the morally bankrupt, or at least morally confused. ********** On a tangent, it's a little odd that both of the big releases on April 16 are going to be revenge flicks. Coincidence? I don't know how Miramax works, but I'm guessing no.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:17 p.m. CST


    by Reedster9898

    So Johns Travolta's character is supposed to head The Yakuza?

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:17 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Guess I missed that the first time around. Anyway, "Chapelle's Show" is great.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Max Payne 2

    by Slade

    It sounds alot like they recycled alot of Max Payne's storyline, but hey that was a PC game, this is a movie I might actually like if it follows along the lines of a really great revenge story.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Of course it "worked as a movie"! It worked when it was DEATH W

    by FrankDrebin

    It worked when it was DEATH WISH II. It worked when it was DEATH WISH 3. It worked when it was DEATHWISH 4: THE CRACKDOWN. It worked when it was every film that included the line, "You killed my _____. Prepare to die." I'm waiting for IRON MAN instead.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Bad news and good news...

    by Harmonica Man

    The bad news is: this is just another revenge movie. The good news is: I love (good) revenge movies. The bad news is: the lead sure doesn't seem to resemble the comic book version of Frank Castle. The good news is: I've never read a Punisher comic (only seen him as the odd "guest star"), so I have little attachment with the "real" Frank Castle. The bad news is: I hate it when comic-book adaptions take too many liberties with its character's history and story lines. The good news is: like I said, I really don't know much about the Punisher, so I have nothing to be dissapointed about (like the Green Goblin's mecha-costume or the black leather outfits of the X-men). In other words... I really don't know if this will be worth 90 minutes of my life just yet.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:34 p.m. CST

    They should of never gave ya'll *%^& money....serious Dave Chape

    by iamarayya

    Cocaine is a hell of a drug...

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Does Moriarty mention film after film to provide as many links t

    by Reedster9898

    You know what would have been sweet? If some time during the movie, they showed a prostitute or stripper wearing the Halle Berry catsuit...

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:47 p.m. CST

    If THE PUNISHER is ready right now then why don't they release i

    by Reedster9898

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by Psalmolive

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by Psalmolive

    Chapelle RULES.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 6:49 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    To anyone who's in general a follower of comics-based movies, Rob Bowman (he of 'X-Files: Fight the Future' and 'Reign of Fire') has signed to direct Jennifer Garner's spin-off. I like him as a director, although I'm pretty ambivalent towards that franchise right now. Plus, even for comics movies, it seems awfully contrived that her role changes from "dark girl" (in 'DareDevil') to sexy, international, crimefighting ninja.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 7:06 p.m. CST

    But is it clever?

    by Arcadia33

    I'd be more excited about this movie if Mori said it was smart. My hesitation so far is based in part on the fact that it seems predictable from beginning to end, and that the killings may just be pedestrian, without real creativity. As for box office. . . . this is a pretty cheap movie, and we can figure it will do well on video. It doesn't have to beat Kill Bill v. 2 to be a success. If it makes twenty million on opening weekend, Marvel will be pleased.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 7:35 p.m. CST


    by Mr Chuff

    You'd think site had a thing against the new Batman film what with NO mention of Morgan Freeman and Liam Neeson BOTH officially signing on as Lucius Fox and Ra's Al Ghul respectively.... thank fuck that all-round good-eggs like me are here to spread the word to the witless....

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Daredevil was a pretty cool flick

    by Johnny Storm

    i don't know why you're unloading on it. Sure, Afflek was annoying. But fucking Bullseye was hilarious.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Actually, you are wrong Darth Cock...

    by BustRocks

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 8:10 p.m. CST

    And here is why...

    by BustRocks

    ...The Punisher was created in response to the glut of cape wearing superheroes that choked distribution channels at the time of its release. This, coupled with the fact that he just kicks ass, was responsible for Mr. Castle's popularity. Thusly, a cinematic adaptation would do well to emulate the tone of the original comic. I am familiar with Ennis's work, I've read Welcome Back Frank a couple times, but this is really more of a reimagining than anything else. Additionally, when was the last time that you saw a good Charles Bronson type flick? .........................(cough;tumbleweeds) EXACTLY. God, it's such a burden being right all the time...

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Do you think the studios ever listen to feedback?

    by riskebiz

    Because long ago, when Nolan's Batman started the casting process and Ra's Al Ghul was put forth as the main villain, I had posted that I thought Liam Neeson would make a great Ra's Al Ghul and I don't recall anyone else thinking that in the talkback ... and low and behold, out of all the actor's possible ... He is cast. Do you think someone read through the talkback and read that and thought "Hmmm ... not a bad idea?" Not an "Ain't It Cool" moment, but more of a "Would't It Be Cool" moment for me.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Based on Ennis.

    by riskebiz

    This movie is loosely based on Garth Ennis's first run on the Punisher. Kevin Nash is the Russian, for instance. I think it's possible they might have done okay by Ennis and fans of Ennis' Punisher.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Max Payne 2 what are you, an idiot?

    by Nerdboy1423

    This film recycles the plot of Max Payne 2?????That is the dumbest thing I have heard! Max Payne both 1 and 2 don't even pretend that they aren't ripping off any other movies or comics. In fact the developers meant them as homages, and Punisher was created way before any consoles were ever created, and that story line from the movie is from the comic. God, the stupidity.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 8:55 p.m. CST

    THIS is a Suprise.


    I really expected The Punisher to suck. I hpe Morty is right.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 9:03 p.m. CST

    SHIRTS VS. BLOUSES I will give Punisher a chance, but damn Marv

    by Declan_Swartz

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 10:15 p.m. CST


    by jackburtonlives

    i'm going to go on a limb and predict here, without having seen the film, that it will be horrific. mori is often a beacon of hope at AICN and calls it as he sees it. HOWEVER, in this case, i think he got a bit too friendly with the insiders on this one and it has totally destroyed his impartiality. COM'ON !! these are the writers who gave us JUMANJI, CON AIR and the all-time classic ARMAGEDDON??! they are at the helm. if they produced a good script, it would be on the front page of every newspaper, NOT on some obscure web page. SAVE YOUR MONEY. catch THE PUNISHER on late late night TV after old HOGAN'S HEROES episodes.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 10:35 p.m. CST

    You're wrong Darth Cock, and here's why...

    by BustRocks

    ...The Punisher was created in response to the glut of cape wearing superheroes that choked distribution channels at the time of its release. This, coupled with the fact that he just kicks ass, was responsible for Mr. Castle's popularity. Thusly, a cinematic adaptation would do well to emulate the tone of the original comic. I am familiar with Ennis's work, I've read Welcome Back Frank a couple times, but this is really more of a reimagining than anything else. Additionally, when was the last time that you saw a good Charles Bronson type flick? .........................(cough;tumbleweeds) EXACTLY. God, it's such a burden being right all the time...

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 10:51 p.m. CST

    fingers tightly crossed.

    by manwiththedogs

    Punisher could be a great movie if it`s done right. I guess we`ll see, wont we.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Dolph Lundgren

    by flossygomez

    He made me laugh hysterically in the 80's over the top it was constantly laughable. I only have to see Dolphs face to laugh so hard my jaws part and swallow my skull. All I can say is here comes yet another Death Wish movie...too bad ol' cat fish face isn't alive to see it....then again maybe not. I can hear the knuckle cracking and pimple popping glee from the adolescent set already.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Why I'm "unloading" on DD

    by Ribbons

    Uhh...cuz I have problems with it? I don't tell people they're not allowed to like it, so why the fuck am I not allowed to dislike it? And yes, Bullseye was cool. But that doesn't mean that people shouldn't be allowed to say anything negative about the movie.

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 11:39 p.m. CST

    The Punisher's every gun-happy Republican wacko's wet dream!

    by Robofag

    And there's no shame with it after all... I mean the guy just shoots every single living guy with questionable morality around the block, and does it in a full bloodbath! It's absolute anti-heroic/heroic contradiction. Although I much better like the over the top JUDGE DREDD on that aspect, as he's truly the dumbest, most violent, most brutal and yet funniest of all bloody psychopathic avengers ever made on a comic book (and its a shame it was so pathetically adapted as the serial B trashfest that everyone wants to forget... should have been made by some punk indie director). And yes... the Punisher's EXACTLY the comic book alter-ego ofd Death wish! I don't care about all those socio-contextual considerations that distinguish those two "heroes"... they're exactly the same personalities, with the same goals and same morality!

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Any of you come near me and I'm kicking this n#$%%a out the moth

    by AllmightyTallest

    I think I'm bleeding inside my chest. UNITY!

  • Feb. 19, 2004, 11:45 p.m. CST


    by Aurora's spectre

    so all i hope is that this movie is not waterdown for the pg- 13 crowd

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Punisher: YEAR ONE

    by Robert Blake

    That is one of the coolest comic books ever, no question about it. Damn, THAT is how this movie should have been... set in NY, 1970s, Castle being a Vietnam hero, coming home just to lose his family to crime. But he is not in it just for revenge: law fails him, he takes justice to his own hands to punish those who the law just can't reach.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Garth Ennis

    by allykatD

    Bumpo and the other characters in the rundown apartment building come straight from the Punisher run that Garth Ennis wrote and I think Steve Dillon and Jimmy Palmiotti (pencils and inks respectively) did the entire run with Ennis. I've been a huge Punisher fan for many years and I've been hoping this movie would portray Frank Castle correctly. It looks and sounds like this might be it. I have the premier marked on my calendar for April 16th and you know I'll be there for the very first 11:00am matinee where I can watch it in peace without the crowds. If there is one Punisher to read, read Ennis's version. Incredible writing and incredible art.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 12:20 a.m. CST


    by Dru

    Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?! Out.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Slade: Max Payne 2 ripped off Punisher

    by allykatD

    Punisher has been around decades longer than Max Payne. It's the other way around, Max Payne ripped off Punisher HOWEVER, the revenge plot (Death Wish anyone?)is an old one, and this point it depends on what is done with it and what new spin can be put on it.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Thomas Jane "Thursday"

    by Nestor

    "Thursday" flawed? Those who like violence would be wise to watch this film. The main character (Thomas Jane) gets "raped" (I use that term loosely since theoretically there's no penetration)by a sexy (in a punk/slut/bitch sort of way)broad, beaten and harassed. There's lots of blood, drug use and hot tempers by our estranged hero followed by cameo's from that dude in "Fear and Laoathing" speaking about"the roach" at the microphone at that cop anti-drug seminar) and Mickey Rourke!Need I say more!? Flawed?! How!!!! "The Punisher" is just one to wait and see no matter how well Thomas Jane "does" "pissed". New movies from the director of "Armegeddon"(Sp.?)and "ConAir" just don't sound convincing.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Rebecca Romijn-Stamos mousy?

    by allykatD

    I'm surprised no one has commented about Rebecca R-S, come on... mousey? Not a word I would use in the same sentence. Well, look what they did to Charlize Theron, maybe they've done to same to Rebecca, but it'd be difficult to make her mousey. If you saw the same character in the comic book, mousey and pathetic come to mind. She keeps trying to serve Frank cookies. Wonder if they'll do that in the movie.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Sounds great BUT...

    by thecomedian

    Is Joey Pants gonna get a stupid cameo as Ben Ulrich. "WHEN JOHN TRAVOLTA KILLS YOU HE DOESN'T JUST KILL YOU. HE KILLS YOUR WHOLE FAMILY!!!

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 12:39 a.m. CST


    by Logo Lou

    You ARE kidding right? YEESH.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Why isn`t Point Blank on fucking DVD?

    by chien_sale


  • Feb. 20, 2004, 1:09 a.m. CST

    I'm not the biggest fan of comic book movies

    by PumpyMcAss

    but when I heard that Thomas Jane was getting the lead in this, I suspected it'd be above average. Todd Parker from Party Boys, baby! Hope this is as dark as Moriarty claims it is.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 1:15 a.m. CST

    The Punisher served me pancakes

    by HardcoreRocker

    I can't believe this review until I see it. I honestly can't. But Chappelle is genius. Reviews of 50 First Dates and The Butterfly Effect at

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 1:18 a.m. CST

    And i thought the trailer was typical!

    by el zar

    Great review. I hope every word in it is true. But i guess i'll have to find out for myself. I wonder how a comics geek would rate it? Hmmm...

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 2:07 a.m. CST

    CORRECTION: His name is Avi Arad. Not Ari. You've gotten him

    by Reedster9898

    Just bustin' your balls, Moriarty. I always love your reviews.

  • Yea..then he loads up on the guns and beats 500 people all by himself! Lots of explosions! Blood! Villian dies All new ideas...

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka

    by jules windex

    Yo that cat can ball

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Hey Reedster, it is ARI Arad

    by vealchop

    He's Avi's son and he works for Marvel, too. Nepotism is alive and well in hollyweed!

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 3:32 a.m. CST


    by Acne Scarface

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 4:03 a.m. CST

    What did the five finger say to the face? SLAP!

    by DarthSnoogans

    I'm Rick James, bitch! By the way, Daredevil sucked because the fight scenes were choreographed like shit and because Kingpin was horribly miscast. If they had brought in someone who actually looked and acted like Kingpin, and if they had brought in Robert Rodriguez to set up the fight scenes, it might have been a much different movie. Oh, and Garth Ennis' run on "Punisher" makes it obvious that he's never read a Marvel comic in his life.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 4:22 a.m. CST

    When was the last time you reviewed a film you DIDN'T like, Mori

    by Cash Bailey

    And I don't mean those pussy-ass DVD reviews either. I mean the full 'savaging a terrible film mere weeks before it release' kind of reviews. You bitched out on the TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE remake, stating you despised the film only THREE MONTHS AFTER IT CAME OUT!! With all the ridiculous positive reviews infecting this site (from fuckheads who either had no idea about what made the original perfect, or had a cameo in the film) for that load of dieseased sputum a voice of reason was needed. Where was it? Meekly hiding its opinion in order to not enrage its new employers. Savaging TCM 2003 was your chance at redemption for that REAL CANCUN review. You now get one more chance. It's called 'DAWN OF THE DEAD'.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 5:04 a.m. CST

    In any case, that was one CRAPPY TRAILER. Even as a big fan of t

    by jackburton2003


  • Feb. 20, 2004, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Nr. 1 clue on how to recognize a plant.

    by Mr Jingles

    The writer will first always elaborate on how he had really low expectactions for the movie and just kind of went to see it on a whim and then in the actual review he will not praise the movie to openly, but work in all kinds of seemingly cool side-info that make the movie seem interesting. And in the end, without the reader really noticing he will not have told about a single gripe he had with the entire film. Well who ever watches a movie without having a single gripe? So how do they pay you for these things Mori, do you get paid by the line or is it a lump sum, or did this go for free since Avi Arad is your buddy? What a disappointment, I always thought Moriarty hadn't sold out.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 8:13 a.m. CST

    In a perfect world...

    by paddington

    This film would've been written by Garth Ennis and Troy Duffy (who is outdoing his previous Punisher work on the Marvel MAX Punisher series, imho) and directed by Troy Duffy. Oh yeah, and if Kevin Nash has to come back in a moomoo with a pair of knockers in the sequel.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Defending DareDevil

    by kdoc13

    Ok, let me be the one to say it. As a lifelong reader of the double D, I actually liked DareDevil, and screw the fan boys who didn't. Here is the thing, No movie based solely on the comic book material will ever be made, period? Why is that? Because nerds are a fucking minority in America, and I dare anyone to tell me differently? Any argument to the contrary is faced with the mere fact that if the books were any indication of what the movie should be like, X-men would be outselling even TV-Guide at the newstands. So ok fan-boys, put the yellow spandex back in the closet and get a life. DareDevil worked because origin movies always suck. And come on folks, this wasn't all that bad. Would you rather watch DD or the Hulk? How much did everyone complain about the origin of Bat Girl? Second, movies are made to try to get the most asses in the seats. If not, you end up with the Roger Corman version Fantasic Four, or a Dolph Lundgren flick. Affleck? Let's forget the nerd fantasies of who should have played the role for a moment. The hero is always a secondary character in the flicks. You paid to watch Bullseye, deal with it. I could have put a head of lettuce in the role and it still would have turned out the same. And you all still would have paid to see it. And all things considered, Affleck wasn't that bad. Applesauce, bitch! And let me the first to denounce Spiderman for the piece of flaming turd that it truely is. I read Spiderman, Peter Parker is not psychoticly creepy. Where the hell are all the fan-boy's when it comes to Toby "Nevermind the dead 8 year old Asian Boy in my closet" McGuire? There is a difference between science nerd and Jeffrey Dahmer. Kingpin? He is black in the movie, get over it. No white actor in h-wood could have pulled that off. None! Box-office. Again, movies are made to put asses in the seats. And while this may seem hard to comprehend, nerds are only a small part of the movie going public! This movie was made to try to appeal to people, to try to break them into the character easily. That cannot be done if you isolate your audience with comic book bullshit. Your precious X-men said it best, "would you prefer yellow spandex?" For 99% of america that answer is no! For most of America, special powers alone are a bit of a stretch. Watch how bad Hellboy is going to tank at the box-office. It will not be because it sucked, it will be because most of America just doesn't want to see the crap. DareDevil did what it set out to do, mainstream a comic book movie, and it worked. Am I disappointed that it didn't hold true to the comic books? Yes, a little. Did I hate it? Hell no. Guess what poindexters? The majority of the world agreed with me. That's why there are 2 sequils and a spin off in the works. And most of you people knocking it, probably secretly own the DVD, or have already worn out a copy on VHS. So put the plastic imitation Star Trek phaser back in the packaging and get a life. No movie made from a comic book is ever going to be the way you want it to be. If they were, no one would go see them, and no more would get made. watch hellboy suffer box-office humiliation and you will be bowing before like nerds to a playground bully. (Sorry, didn't mean to bring up trauma from all your nerd memories of high school and college years past. Although I am guessing most of the readership here is barely out of 7th grade.) Electa and Bullseye own all of your asses. Deal with it!

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 8:53 a.m. CST

    It's a Marvel movie....

    by Blok Narpin

    We haven't had a bad Marvel movie yet... I'll be there opening day!

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Samuel L. Jackson Beer. It's MMM-MMM GOOD, BITCH!

    by Rufus_T_Firefly

    Well, just looking around here, I'm hoping they've managed to press enough copies of Chappelle's DVD box set. But back to the "subject"

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Does this movie take place before Wesley Snipes?

    by durhay

    Yeah ... I remember putting up my dirty boots up on the couch.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by TheNudeGeek

    the punisher was always a well thought out charecter in the comics but there is no way this is gonna work on the big it shall be written by TheNudeGeek so it shall be danced by TheNudeGeek

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Blade 2

    by Flagg

    Blade 2 kicked ass, fuck the retards that hated it.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 11:01 a.m. CST

    "Punisher" will tank...

    by Johnny Ahab

    ...not because it's a bad movie, oh no. But because the geniuses at Lions Gate are releasing it THE VERY SAME WEEKEND as "Kill Bill 2"! In today's Variety, Ari mentions that and says basically "yeah, gee, too bad about the same release date." Whaaaa???? Two violent geek-aimed revenge movies in the same weekend?? One of which is made by Miramax name-brand Tarantino who the Weinsteins will market the shit out of -- WHICH IS THE SECOND PART OF A MOVIE THAT MADE MONEY AND WOUND UP ON MANY CRITICS' BEST FILM LISTS?? Why the fuck is Lions Gate laying the Punisher's head down on the train tracks with the Miramax-Kill Bill express roaring at them??? I'm sure exhibitors would be MORE THAN HAPPY to move "The Punisher" to a different weekend. It doesn't take a genius to see that this double-booking of same-genre style film is MORONIC MOVIE BUSINESS!! It's gonna get creamed. Change the release date, Mr. Ortenberg. Or bend over and grab your ankles as Harvey sticks it to you!

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 11:19 a.m. CST

    "The stickiest of the icky"

    by GreedoNeverShot

    "Cold blooded. Unity!" Seriously, that skit was the funniest thing I've seen on TV since Mr. Show.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 11:21 a.m. CST

    The stickiest of the icky.

    by GreedoNeverShot

    "Cold blooded. Unity!" Seriously, Chapelle is the funniest thing I've seen on TV since Mr. Show.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 11:22 a.m. CST

    The stickiest of the icky.

    by GreedoNeverShot

    "Cold blooded. Unity!" Seriously, Chapelle is the funniest thing I've seen on TV since Mr. Show.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Didn't Moriarty say The Real Cancun was enormously entertaining?

    by Batutta

    Hensliegh's a hack, and I don't expect him to make anything but a piece of hackery.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 12:04 p.m. CST

    aint it cool news is the ONLY place where people dont like DareD

    by Blok Narpin

    The critics liked it. Ebert and Roeper gave it two thumbs up. The fans like it. I hang out at the comic book store every weekend. It went over big with the fans. It was a box office hit, that is spawning a spinoff (electra) and a sequel. People liked it a lot. Except on aint it cool news where everything sucks.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 12:48 p.m. CST

    I forgot to say...

    by BustRocks

    In the midst of my depantsing of Darth Phallus, I forgot to mention - this film is going rock all of your asses into something akin to a warm jello.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Liam Neeson not playing Ra's AL Ghul.

    by Darksider and says Variety fucked up and printed the wrong thing. He's really playing a character named Henri Ducard.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 1:13 p.m. CST

    The person who made that trailer should be shot!!!

    by tile_mcgillus

    Holy crap! The person who made that laughable trailer should be shot if the movie is actually quite good. My hopes are now renewed and I can't wait to see this, albeit with relatively low expectations.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I'll check it out

    by 007-11

    You heard me

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 2:41 p.m. CST

    it seriously blows my mind that after seeing the 2 trailers and

    by BEARison Ford

    by the way, way to go stretching the forum asshole.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Robbie Coltrane as Kingpin

    by Wormie

    I actually liked Daredevil, but I think Robbie Coltrane would have been great as Kingpin. I'm dubious about The Punisher, Catwoman will suck, Spidey 2 will be better than Spidey 1 (although I'm not a Tobey Maguire fan), Elektra could be good due to the extreme foxiness of Jennifer Garner, and Batman: Intimidation will rule all.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Defending Detracting DareDevil

    by Ribbons

    Ummm..."fuck" anybody that hates it? I didn't say I disliked it because Wilson Fisk was black, or because I dreamed of Guy Pearce in it, or because I wanted to see some Stick, etc. I didn't ask for any of those things, I just didn't like it. And even if you weren't referencing me directly, no one on this talkback said a damn thing about the quality of 'Spider-Man' or "our" "precious" 'X-Men' until you did. So, let's, generalizing, singularity....who's the one still in middle school? Lastly, I would personally rather see 'HULK' or 'Spider-Man' than 'DareDevil,' and no, I don't secretly own a copy of the DVD, although I might buy the Director's Cut whenever it's finally released, and even if I did own a copy, what the hell does that have to do with liking or disliking it? If we're poindexters more concerned about comic chic than mainstream workability, than we wouldn't be ashamed to have a comic book movie on our shelf (not to mention you can have a love-hate or conflicted relationship with a movie for personal reasons). And I'm posting on Ain't-It-Cool-News, I'm a regular poster; I make no claims to coolness. Again, you can like 'DareDevil.' Just don't tell me what to do. Also, I don't hate it. But I don't like it very much. Can't wait 'til 'Slapstick: The Movie!'

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 4:42 p.m. CST

    I guess bad buzz isn't as important as it once was

    by changer624

    Terminator 3 was supposed to bomb and so was the Punisher. But T3 was decent & judging by this review, so is Punisher. Next thing you know, Catwoman might actually be good(if they change the costume.)

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 4:43 p.m. CST

    I guess bad buzz isn't as important as it once was

    by changer624

    Terminator 3 was supposed to bomb and so was the Punisher. But T3 was decent & judging by this review, so is Punisher. Next thing you know, Catwoman might actually be good(if they change the costume.)

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 4:58 p.m. CST


    by drjones

    if i remember almost every of the recent comic book adaptions has been said to be totally different here at aicn. and ...for the most parts i think these saying were right. i`m not a comic lover but it`s great i think if a piece of pop- but underestimated culture finds access to a different and maybe wider audience.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 5:02 p.m. CST

    THURSDAY Was a great flick!

    by SetHan

    So if he can play as good as in Thursday its gonna be "phenomenal" Ooh I get the shivers thinking bout this movie I just hope I

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Wow, this sounds nothing like the comic

    by I Dunno

    There's hardly any similarities at all besides his family getting killed. I realize he can't be a Viet Nam veteran in present day but his whole deal is that he's a vet and has access to a small army's worth of military hardware with a sidekick who builds it. His family was supposed to be killed in a random drug deal too, meaning that he doesn't have one adversary (except maybe the KingPin). He just kills everybody. But what the hell, I live in Tampa so I have to see it.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 5:33 p.m. CST

    This movie sounds when are they actually making THE PUN

    by Duck of Death

    I'd just like to know...WTF does this film have to do with the actual Punisher comics? Everything I have seen/heard indicates that this is simply a competently executed, run of the mill revenge flick, with the "Punisher" title tacked onto it. (And, uh, I guess the protagonist wears a skull t-shirt...okay...) It's like taking Training Day and deciding to call it Starsky & Hutch. Well, not really, but you get the point. The only thing I can imagine is that the film isn't actually an adaptation of The Punisher, but a film about a guy whose wife and kid are offed, and thinks, "Damn, man...this is just like in those Punisher comix!" and decides to emulate his favorite comic book hero. In other words, it's not really The Punisher so much as it's "The Punisher" (note the ironic quotation marks).

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Moriarty is a Plant!!!

    by Heffaloo

    I just wanted to say that.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Charlie Murphy

    by wash

    Since this talk back as turned into a Chappelle's Show thread (and since we all know The Punisher is going to suck, no matter what Drew says), I gotta ask, what's the deal with Chalie Murphy? Did he just steal all the funny from his Disneyfied brother or what? It's like a Bizzarro World scenenario where John Belushi had lived and turned into to a sort of Jim Belushi character, but the real Jim Belushi took over for John when John got lame. Yeah.

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 7:33 p.m. CST

    The one problem with The Punisher movie...

    by IAmMrMonkey that in the world of comics, the character is a rarity (there ain't many comics based around a guy who simply goes mad and starts gunning down crims). That's what makes it stand out. However, in the film world, video shelves buckle under the weight of films featuring 'renegade cops' and 'guys with guns seeking revenge'. I reckon a lot of people who've never heard of The Punisher will simply shrug and say "Nice T-shirt but I've seen this type of thing a million times." Oh yeah.... I am Mr Monkey!

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 8:11 p.m. CST


    by Harmonica Man

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 9:16 p.m. CST

    "Shirts vs. Blouses"

    by ThingsThatTimDog

    That Prince has got mad skillz yo. "Now lets see what happens when we play the drums."

  • Feb. 20, 2004, 10:24 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Coincidence? I think so. While it's fun to entertain conspiracy theories for a while, a lot of them can either be disproven or have no basis in reality. The Beyonce thing was not made up; Beyonce herself said that McG is keen on having her play Lois Lane, and the same scoop was addressed to and Although I have to admit, the dealings on AICN have been sort of shady milkman lately. I don't so much mind the neglect of the site if they're working on a project, but a thumbs-up has become pretty dubious here and I'm confused as to why there are so many links to I'm not gonna assume anything, but it is kind of curious.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 12:21 a.m. CST


    by indguy

    This is a dollar matinee at the most. I might use my free blockbuster rental on it.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 12:35 a.m. CST

    RE: Ribbons

    by kdoc13

    Ribbons, that was not a personal attack at you. I will be honest, I totally forgot about your posting after I read it. Sorry if you felt it was an attack. There is a general dislike for DareDevil on this board on any post related to a comic book movie. As one of my favorite movies, I take offense at other people shitting on it on a regular basis. Again, that was not directed at you, I am man enough to apologize over the misunderstanding. It was however, directed at every other pussy who took a swipe at it over the past year though. So agian, I say to the true detractors "scoreboard" (although in this case, more like "box office.") Your nerd money ensured 2 more DD flicks and pretty much kept Ben Affleck in business for a few more years. If you don't like it, don't go see the next two. Stay the hell at home and play with your Star Wars figures, it's been almost 20 years, you should know the metal bikinni doesn't come off the plastic Princess leah. Do I think that "the Hulk" blew? Oh yes, I did. But I am not posting it on every fucking board on here. I have only posted it twice on this one, and only to prove a point. to all the nerds who feel the need to constantly piss on things, I leave a message appropriate for a Kevin Smith article, and in terms that can be understood. "You are the ball likcers...." Ok, you are all are fucking wasted sperm who memorize movie quotes, remeber the rest of it and insult yourself, I am too busy in the real world where people like me get laid before having to pay for it on our 40th birthday while mom and dad are out of the house.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Hey Corpse Fucker, Why dont you Fuck a Corpse BITCH

    by Rcamacho2278

    I read your jealous rant and I Want 5 minutes of my life back you sensitive bitch. you obviously have too much time on your hands to get emotional over something that you have no control over. your a jealous piece of shit, this site is a cool site, you dont like it, take it off your favorites and move the fuck along, and stop trying to preach your crazy propaganda. As for harry or moriaty selling out, who the fuck cares. Good for them, I would sell out too. fuck the purity of film making, I would sell out the FIRST fucken chance I get for that sweet sweet green and leave you bitches in the dust crying . HAHAHAHHA GOOD JOB guys, Do your thang and make that money! as for corpse bitch boy here, take an enema and chill the fuck out you conspiracy ladden bitch

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 1:44 a.m. CST

    I loved the Mike Baron run of Punisher comics, ... one of my fav

    by JDanielP

    You know, ... I think the "Punisher" nearly begs for cool visuals, utilizing shadows (as Batman should). -- Imagine the Punisher's fury ... when slowly detaching his black-costumed form from the shadows, his silloutte with a white skull, releasing itself to claim revenge. Old testament, an eye for an eye. But I gather this movie was so low budget that the cinematography was purely focused on character and storytelling. Hey, sometimes that's not a bad thing. If it can measure up to "The Professional", ... then I'll be a very happy audience member, indeed.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Blade II

    by Damer1

    sucked and %*$# the monkeys that liked it. Sorry Harry, keep your cunning linguist comments to yourself.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Johnny Ahab is a fool

    by Bootylicious

    Ahab - Miramax recently moved KB2 to the weekend Punisher already had, so know what the hell you are talking about before presenting your ingnorance to the world. Look at the release schedule for the surrounding weeks. There is nowhere to go for either of the movies. Avi Arad was simply stating a fact. Both parties will lose out. It's Miramax's bloated ego that did this schedule bump-up, and I'm sure poor Tarantino is dying over the added screwing that this film has taken since day 1 of production. Guessing Miramax wants to attempt to end the streak of Marvel's #1 openings, which will not happen. Say it with me slowly, "Will...Not...Happen." Go to boxofficemojo and look at the KB1 numbers. Complete crap, no legs. And you think more will go see part 2? I'll wager with you that Punisher takes Bill by at least $10m. Game? Quite Bootylicious.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I would have seen it regardless, but now I have hopes it'll be g

    by Cerebud

    I loved the main story this is built around, "Welcome Back Frank" by Steve Dillon and Garth Ennis. The trailer did suck some mighty big balls though. Hopefully Moriarty's right and it really is good. I don't know whether to trust AICN reviews though. I think they get too excited by all of the hype and the ass-kissing that studios give to them.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Harry nice bit of Flash showing you extracting bulbous-tipped ar

    by Shepdog

    Harry nice bit of Flash showing you extracting bulbous-tipped arrows from your rectum. What exactly are you trying to communicate? That you've headed to Frisco for a license?

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 12:32 p.m. CST


    by Cerebud

    Or is it too late? Seriously, these films are WAY too similar, and it's going to get buried by the freight train that is Kill Bill. People, especially comic geeks, loved Kill Bill. I'll go see both, but that doesn't leave much of a choice for other people. Get it together, MAN!!!

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 2 p.m. CST


    by halcyonseven

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Based on the trailer, a better name for this movie would be...

    by user id indeed!

    "UNLEADED DEATH: THE EXPLODING CAR MOVIE." At the end, in a clever twist, a BOAT explodes.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 9:04 p.m. CST

    No, Bootylicious, you are the fool.

    by Johnny Ahab

    Sure, I knew that Miramax bumped up the KB2 release date -- do you know WHY, moron?? Not to stomp on "THE PUNISHER" or rob Marvel of its cherised #1 opening weekend record. But because KB1 COMES OUT ON VIDEO & DVD FOUR DAYS EARLIER! Think about it, assclown -- DVD comes out April 13, then they open sequel April 16. Sounds like shrewd slam-dunk marketing to me. And you can BET Miramax is going market the crap out of the DVD & KB2 together. So what if KB1 didn't have legs?? It opened at #1 to a respectable $22M. And that's all distributors care about now, getting a jam-packed opening weekend. Sure they want legs, but nobody's in the long haul biz anymore -- Opening Weekend is all that matters. And you are just delusional if you think "PUNISHER" is gonna beat out "KB2". Not that I wish "PUNISHER" any ill will -- I'm a Marvelite from way back. But Miramax is Disney-owned with deep pockets and can afford to pump up the marketing and has the muscle to get the higher screen count. And the magazine space. And Uma & Co. back on the talk shows. Lions Gate just absorbed Artisan and they're still reeling from that. Don't quite have their game together, and they CERTAINLY don't have the deep pockets or the marketing savvy to outdo Harvey's machine. And while Thomas Jane is a good actor, he has no wide-name recognition. My prediction -- you will see a whole bunch more TV ads & press for KB2 than "PUNISHER", cuz Lions Gate can't afford as many. "PUNISHER" is gonna get punished, sad to say. Just the facts, bud. And if Miramax can move release dates, SO CAN LIONS GATE. I took your suggestion and looked at the release schedule in April -- what's wrong with the following weekend? The competition is "13 GOING ON 30" (young chick audience) and "MAN ON FIRE" -- a more adult-minded studio star thriller with Denzel & Tony Scott. Denzel's last film, "OUT OF TIME" did soft business ($40M U.S. gross to KB1's $70M+) Frankly, I'd put "PUNISHER" up against the generic-looking Denzel film -- AND SLAP "PUNISHER" TRAILERS ON EVERY FREAKIN' PRINT OF "KILL BILL 2"! The geeks who see KB2 will then be primed for "PUNISHER" next weekend! Not skip it in favor of "KB2" on the SAME weekend. "PUNISHER" will suffer from weak first weekend grosses, and impatient exhibitors will want it out of their theaters fast. And unlike Miramax, again, Lions Gate doesn't have the muscle to force exhibitors to hang on to "PUNISHER". That's how the exhbition biz works, buddy. Much as I hope "PUNISHER" does good biz, I can't wait to come back here on Monday April 19 and mock you. I'm game all right.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 9:23 p.m. CST

    wow moriarty, I'm seriously impressed

    by koie

    I freely admit that in all of my past talkbacks I have slammed your reviews. But this time I gotta say I thought you wrote a very well written review and I'm impressed. Keep up the great work.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Thomas Jane was great in THE SWEETEST THING

    by StoneMonkey

    a great guilty pleasure to watch, right next to FREAKED, STRANGE BREW and LOST & FOUND.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 11:24 p.m. CST


    by WoodyStiffer

    Hey, before I start this review, I must mention that I spoke to the PRODUCER of the picture. Hey, did I mention I spoke to the PRODUCER of the picture?! In case you didn't know, I spoke to the PRODUCER of the picture!! This site will always be just a sideshow as long as its critics continually feel the need to name drop before getting to the damn reviews.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 11:26 p.m. CST


    by WoodyStiffer

    Nothing sounds as stupid as someone saying "well they ripped off this video game character" (Max Payne in this case), when the movie in question is based on a comic book character that's AT LEAST fifteen years old.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 11:32 p.m. CST


    by WoodyStiffer

    Some people on here are actually defending that pile of shite that was daredevil? It featured one of the most ridiculous plotlines of all time. A pro-bono lawyer who has a penthouse apartment with all kinds of secret compartments and equipment. Not to mention a randomly dropped-in love interest combined with THE most retarded villain ever seen in a comic book film: Bullseye. What does he do? He throws stuff and hits bulls-eyes. Can they possibly come up with a more retarded villain next time? Maybe (borrowed from Maddox) the RAGING HARDON? It's a terrible movie all around. It was badly written, the plot is simply pasted together, poorly paced, and poorly cast. All of you morons defending it: well, I guess it doesn't take much to entertain you.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Punisher's Release Date

    by atcrooks

    While I don't agree with Artisan's descision to release "The Punisher" the same weekend as "Kill Bill Vol. 2," you have to remember that "Kill Bill Vol. 1" wasn't exactly a blockbuster by any means. Making less than $70 million when your budget is only $55 million is average at best, and especially if your only real competition opening day is "School of Rock." If "The Punisher" can make what "Kill Bill Vol. 1" did in it's first weekend, it would have made 2/3 of it's budget. If the story is compelling and has lots of action, we may have an interesting April, something that doesn't usually occur, especially since most studios would rather wait until May.

  • Feb. 21, 2004, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Blok Narpin

    by WoodyStiffer

    Hey dude, regarding Daredevil, morons also went to see "2Fast2Furious" and "You Got Served". Each opened number one, as did Daredevil. Does this mean that "the fans liked it". Well, if you count the retards that went to see a substandard movie, well then yes, I guess you're right. But the two aforementioned movies and Daredevil weren't HUGE successes at the boxoffice, which points to the fact that they were all released during SLOW BOXOFFICE TIMES.

  • Feb. 22, 2004, 12:49 a.m. CST


    by Manaqua

    Come on Harry! Stop hoardin the goods! get another editor if you and Mori don't have the time to post. Bring it! M

  • Feb. 22, 2004, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Just saw the new trailer...

    by Magilla Gorilla

    ...and this looks awesome. I've gotta admit that I thought seeing this movie would be as much fun as gargling with warm diarrhea. But now, after seeing the trailer and reading Moriarty's review, this is officially the only superhero movie that I'm excited about this year. Despite whatever changes they had to make to the origin, Jane has nailed Castle to a T. This movie is gonna be the one that makes him a household name. (And in regards to KB2, I think Miramax has seriously underestimated The Punisher and their "clever" marketing strategy is gonna bite them in the ass.)

  • Feb. 22, 2004, 1:17 p.m. CST

    I'm not going to see this in the theater, but I will rent it whe

    by Snookeroo

  • Feb. 23, 2004, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Ain't it cool?

    by Christopher3

    Travolta in a movie that doesn't completely suck.

  • Feb. 23, 2004, 12:29 a.m. CST

    A sequel to Lord of the Rings?

    by AntoniusBloc

    Mel Gibson's The Passion of Christ might be the closest thing to a sequel to the Lord of the Rings films. A more accurate description is probably a fulfillment, rather than a sequel. A fulfillment of the true and real desire reflected in mythology, and even more so in Tolkien's Catholic myth. Mythology is the imagination of man reflecting the desire for what God eventually reveals to us, and the salvation given to us through His sacrifice on the cross; the story of the Passion of Christ. The timing of the Passion couldn't be better, with Return of the King still fresh in people's minds. The Passion will help many understand why they felt so much depth in a story about wizards, elves, and Hobbits; the feelings of longing and desire for a place where we truly belong, what we truly are, and meant to be. LOTR is the story of the hope we truly desire, the faith in the eternal and our nature as both material and spiritual, not just one or the other. The Passion is the true story of the fulfillment of that true desire. I am very happy for all of the well deserved awards Peter Jackson is getting, awards he accepts with grace and humility. For what its worth, I sincerely thank PJ for the gift of his vision of Tolkien's story, and I am grateful for his own passion to get the movies made. Hopefully, Mel Gibson will see similar success for his passion. If the powerful trailer is any indication, he probably will.

  • Feb. 23, 2004, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Sounds like a total waste of time.

    by Blue_Demon

    Jesus, first "Daredevil" then "The Hulk" and now this pile of crap. All I can say is Bring on Spider-Man, because those three flicks have sucked bad. And McWeeney liked them? Surprise, surprise. He also praised "The Real Cancun", think about it.

  • Feb. 23, 2004, 10:31 a.m. CST

    opening weekend

    by indguy

    I predict 12 million opening weekend.

  • Feb. 23, 2004, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Awful Long talkback

    by Larry Jay

    I just read through the posts (yes it is a boring day at work) It 's just amazing how you people just continue to spill your venom all over each other. For the record. I liked Daredevil. It was a good attempt to bring the Frank Miller story to life. So what if he lived in a LUXURY apt. In case you didn't notice. he's been an attorney for a while. He probably didn't always work pro-bono at his own firm. (Try to think these things through people, if you're going to nit pick) I liked the HULK. It was an interesting and visually beautiful movie. Ang Lee gave it his all, you can tell. Blade II was a fucking masterpiece of action. Del Toro hit that one right on the head. I'll just say this. If you don't like comic movies., stop torturing yourself. If it REALLY means so much to you that you have so much agony and pain over a movie. STOP GOING. And leave some empty seats for those of us who are REALLY glad to see our favorite characters brought to the big screen after waiting so long and through so many disappointments.

  • Feb. 23, 2004, 2:19 p.m. CST

    I would have liked to see Michael Clarke Duncan in this ...

    by Glen Quagmire

    as the Kingpin of course. Ideally as the main villian ~ But I would have settled for the Kingpin being the man "behind" this Saint guy. Y'know, Travolta's character handles the Kingpin's business down in Florida ... and at the end The Punisher makes it clear that he's coming gunning for the head honcho. Yeah ... that would have been sweet.

  • Feb. 23, 2004, 3:59 p.m. CST

    new trailer

    by punisher5150

    The new Puniser trailer looks much better than the last. Take a look at:

  • Feb. 23, 2004, 4:12 p.m. CST

    What is the problem?

    by nitebreed

    You know, I think it is absolutely fantastic that Harry lets all these losers who have nothing better to do post their vomitous outpouring of general critisism towards the movie industry. The bashing is getting very old, folks. Move on...let it go.... Whether you like it or not, Blade 2 made enough money for the studio to not only agree to make Trinity, but to up the amount they are paying the actors. Here's a quick lesson in economics kiddies...even if the box office shows profit on a title, unless the studio can sweeten the pot for the actors, they don't come back for the sequals. The only way the studio is going to be able to justify more money is if they made above and beyond a set percentage with the first one. Now, I don't know about Kris, but something tells me that Wesley isn't sitting by the phone, praying to get a movie offer. We are the ones that set that into motion for them. So long as we keep going to the theaters, shelling out $8, $10, $15 for the tickets, then get bent over and have it rammed home at the Concession stand, the studios will continue to make these movies. Though I know some of you are outraged that Blade didn't match your ideas of the Vampire world, the fact remains that some of us actually have a life and use these movies for a few hours of fantastic joy and escape.... So I have a suggestion...find something else to bash...gods know there is enough shit going on in the world for you to choose a topic and run. But leave the Producers and Directors and the Studios alone...they have a hard enough job appeasing their own people, much less the slavering hordes just waiting to find any little nit to pick.

  • Feb. 23, 2004, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Thomas Jane SUCKS as PUNISHER!

    by Son of Conan

    Any asshole that say's he's perfect is as smart as a bag of rice! If you EVER read the Punisher comic, you would know he is way OLDER than Thomas Jane. He served in the special forces in Nam' and was italian american. You want to tell me Thomas Jane fits that description!!!!!!????? Also, that trailer SUCKED! It sucks that it's in FLORIDA! And it SUCKS that Travolta is the villian!

  • Feb. 23, 2004, 6:50 p.m. CST

    The Punisher will fuck your bitches twice...

    by tequilaworm

    I want this movie to work so bad. The Punisher just kicks ass in the comics and he's fucked up in the head like Batman. He just uses guns and gives you another asshole with a double barrel. I just fucking hate the fact that they made it in Tampa. It's NEW YORK motherfuckers...GRIM just like Frank...CHEERS Amigos!

  • Feb. 24, 2004, 1:23 a.m. CST

    This film might work?

    by EatU2xx

    this Punisher film might work if they try to keep it close to the comic books.The Garth Ennis and Steve Dillion run with zanny characters as;the Russian, grand-ma arm-less and the 3 psychos. The lead actor name is lame and a small time director hoping for a licence franchise,its gonna be risky.

  • Feb. 25, 2004, 7:21 a.m. CST

    it looks like that movie with Stallone and Sharon Stone

    by CuervoJones

  • Feb. 25, 2004, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Pretty boy thomas...

    by Gabor

    Why do they always have to change shit? They have a fan base for a reason, surely you make a film that's faithful to the comics, BAM - money in the bank - that simple. But anyway, we all know this. All I want to say is: Tom Berenger - the real Punisher. C'mon, tell me he's not perfect!

  • Feb. 25, 2004, 9:10 a.m. CST

    And they made him a cop!!! What is this!?!?!?

    by Gabor

  • Feb. 25, 2004, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Johnny Ahab

    by Bootylicious

    They didn't move the date to pair it with the DVD release. By this logic, you are telling me that Miramax moved KB2 to a Friday, immediately following a tuesday release? Makes perfect sense to me. I think the amount of viewers for that all important TueWedThurs rental period will drive people in herds to see 2. So whilst you're home spankin' it to KB1, don't forget to to take the Tarantino action figure out of your ass and go see part 2. Nice empty theater awaits you. You just keep proving your ignorance and I'll just keep smacking you back in the teeth. Game. Set. Match TBD.

  • Feb. 26, 2004, 7:07 a.m. CST


    by ROBE

    Well it could hardly be worse than the original movie.

  • Feb. 26, 2004, 10:21 a.m. CST

    "But if it

    by chanjumar

    ... with Open Arms." - Moriarity on Daredevil. Sorry dude, your opinion is no longer recognized.

  • Feb. 26, 2004, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Next Week: Harry picks lint from his navel!

    by Babba-Booey

  • Feb. 26, 2004, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Coming Soon: Harry & Mori's "Gone Shrimpin'"

    by Babba-Booey

  • Feb. 27, 2004, 1 p.m. CST

    Mori hates "the passion" but loves "the punisher"...

    by Jon E Cin

    umm...its all a big joke right?

  • Feb. 27, 2004, 3:03 p.m. CST

    by Fight-clubber


  • Feb. 27, 2004, 3:06 p.m. CST

    The will b top stuff

    by Fight-clubber

    Prob cus the passion looks shit. The reason why ppl dissed this film is cus the teaser and the 1st traielr looked like utter shit it aint the film its the retard making the trailer. This film loosk liek decnt solid kick ass action the last 2 matrix films were complete shit so im glad some 1s bring out a good solid action flick without the shitty baggage the matrix had. And the comics were fucking awsome

  • Feb. 27, 2004, 4:36 p.m. CST

    I'd rather eat a bowl of dicks than see this...but Joel SCHUMACH

    by UncleJesseLuva

    I'm a PUNISHER fan from way back, I'm talking old school here, but...this will blow. I just know it will. Thomas Jane looks like he's ready for a fucking tea party, not to mutilate some bad guys' asses. He has no hair on his arms. Oh well, I guess I cant expect all films to be BATMAN RETURNS...but with the news that JOEL "anti-christ" SCHUMACHER is returning to direct another BATMAN film, things ARE going to get ALOT WORSE than PUNISHER here....check out the poop scoop yourself here at -- they actually stole some script pages, too --

  • Feb. 28, 2004, 3:52 p.m. CST

    no violence

    by stvnhthr

    Is there any violence in this movie? From Moriarty's review of Passion he makes it clear that he hates movies with violence in them, or maybe he doesn't have a problem with violence for revenge sake but does have a problem with someone willing to suffer out of love.

  • Feb. 28, 2004, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Still say punisher should have been ray liotta or kurt russell a

    by TylerDurdenUK

    Some of you guys are moaning about making the comic boom translation work and in the same breath slating HULK??? First off, the only good thing about DAREDEVIL was COLIN FARRELL, it was shite - HULK was visually stunning, so carefully translated it defies belief, acted superbly and just proved Ang Lee as one of the great storytellers going!! DAREDEVIL and HULK are not in the same category. This movie was is close to XMEN 2 and SPIDEY simply as being a great movie not just a fantastic translation of comic book fiction. On the plus side tho, i honestly cant wait for BATMAN:BEGINS my god that film will own the MF'ing world !!!!!!!!!!! casting and Nolan couldnt be more perfect, whatever some guys will say BALE is PERFECT for BATMAN. CATWOMAN will suck (mmm now there's a thought)