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Angel 5.13 FAQ

What’s it called?

“Why We Fight.”

Who’s responsible?

Teleplay is credited to Drew Goddard and Steve DeKnight.

What did Coax say about this one back on Jan. 21?

“During World War II (long before Maggie Walsh was born) a “government initiative” recruits Angel for a World War II submarine mission (where he runs into another former “Buffy” regular).”

Huh. What does TV Guide say?

“When a face from his past shows up at Wolfram & Hart, flashbacks reveal Angel's role in salvaging a damaged WWII sub carrying crucial technology---and vampire prisoners. But Angel's visitor doesn't want to reminisce; he's looking to settle an old score. Lawson: Eyal Podell. Hodge: Matt Goodwin. Spinelli: Nick Spano.”

Any reference to the late Cordelia Chase this week?

Zero. None. Though other events of the prior ‘sode are alluded to.

Where’s Eve?

“Tactical swept her hangouts, and our locators ran through their usual voodoo,” notes Charles Gunn. “Each came back with the same result: Eve has vanished.”

Is Eve in hiding from the senior partners now?

“The senior partners don't take betrayal lightly,” notes one member of Team Angel. “Yeah, well, gotta figure they whisked her up shortly after they nabbed the scheming prince,” theorizes another.

What old score does Angel’s visitor wish to settle?

Angel sired him 60 years ago. Which, when you think hard about it, makes the visitor (his nanme is Lawson) a wholly unique member of the Buffiverse.

The big news?

Spike sports a heretofore unseen look this week. Its reveal is easily one of the most gratifying moments of the hour.

The bigger news?

It’s a government “demon research initiative” that recruits Angel, and in 1943 appears to be brand spanking new. There’s no reason to believe this is not the same body that bedeviled Buffy Summers four years ago. And, given its long secret history, more than a few viewers may posit that the Initiative probably didn’t exactly close down after it fled Sunnydale.

What else is TV Guide not telling us?

Take away the flashbacks and an epilogue with Spike, and this episode is basically one long scene.

Has Spike signed on with Team Angel?

No. It’s fairly clear that he’s still operating apart from the firm.

What’s good?

The War Department’s version of the Iniative is a hoot, as is the Fury-esque (Nick, that is, not David) officer who seems to oversee it. It’s fun to watch the clueless sub crew react to all the big weirdness. And it’s surprisingly compelling to see how effortlessly Angel seems to adapt to military culture; his management style aboard the sub (and there is much to manage down there) stands in marked contrast to his more laid-back approaches to Wolfram and Angel Investigations. Amusing also are the three very different vampires the Nazis are transporting.

What’s not so good?

The first time we see a youthful Lawson at the firm, his vampire status is easy to guess, and some may also find it a little too easy to guess the reason for his transformation. As a result, Angel’s big decision in the last act doesn’t manifest much of a reveal, and the episode kind of needs one there.

How does it end, spoiler-boy?

“Then what was he looking for?” asks Spike. “A reason,” replies Angel.

Herc’s rating for “Angel” 5.13?


The Hercules T. Strong Rating System:
***** better than we deserve
**** better than most motion pictures
*** actually worth your valuable time
** as horrible as most stuff on TV
* makes you quietly pray for bulletins

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  • Feb. 11, 2004, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Spike the Nazi

    by DarthHomercles


  • Feb. 11, 2004, 2:23 p.m. CST

    sounds like a typical filler ep.

    by thewoodpecker

    And not even an all that interesting one. Typical break in the action after the big mid-season reveal. No matter, I'm waiting for next week's puppet episode, which judging by the stills at could be the loopiest and funniest Angel EVER. Check it out if you don't believe me.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 4 p.m. CST

    Next Week Ben Edlund Writes AND Directs

    by Woolam

    I can't wait. As for this week, I just hope Spike makes a seaman joke. Get it? Huh, Huh, get it?

  • It has to be one or the other. Either it fires on all cylinders and cracks everybody up, or it's going to be the most embarrassing piece of crap since Teri Hatcher was shrunk down and force to hang out in a Barbie Dream House on LOIS & CLARK: THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN. Me, I'm cringing already at the thought of Sesame Street Angel...

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Palate cleanser

    by Stoney-321

    Is what this week must be. I was so floored by the past 2 eps, the writers must feel like they have to throw cold water on us. Skeptical about this week, but I saw the stills of the puppet ep, and I laughed out loud. Then I cringed - puppets are fucking weird out of context.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 5:19 p.m. CST

    doesn't it strike anybody as odd that the only time Spike doesn'

    by stuftseveredhead

    just a thought.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 6:39 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Spike and Angel meet during WW2

    by ZeroC

    Cause in School Hard, Spike said he hadn't seen Angel since he got his soul.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Ha ha, ZeroC...

    by AnnoyYou

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Ha ha, ZeroC...

    by AnnoyYou

    You think Mutant Enemy actually thinks about pesky things like continuity? As James Marsters once famously remarked, the ME party line on this is "Continuity is for wusses." Which is why the Buffyverse is such a fine, unmuddled, crystal-clear place.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Yes he did

    by jancola

    Nix, stuftseveredhead. Spike had brown hair in "lies my parents told me" and other episodes set in the distant past.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Spike and Angel

    by DarthHomercles

    Yeah, but Angel was with Spike in the Boxer Rebellion and Spike didn't know Angel had a soul then. Maybe he won't know in these flashbacks either. But yeah, they keep dancing that fine line, don't they? :p

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Mutant Enemy continuity

    by BiPolarBear

    "You think Mutant Enemy actually thinks about pesky things like continuity? As James Marsters once famously remarked, the ME party line on this is "Continuity is for wusses." Which is why the Buffyverse is such a fine, unmuddled, crystal-clear place." Come on, now. Credit where credit's due... the Buffyverse shows have some of the tightest continuity ever seen in a TV series. "Cause in School Hard, Spike said he hadn't seen Angel since he got his soul." He actually didn't say any such thing. If you're going to complain about continuity, at least try backing it up with real facts.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 8:49 p.m. CST


    by CapitalistPig

    My theory is that peroxide was rationed during the war.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:36 p.m. CST

    re: angel's popularity this year

    by keyserSOZE

    regarding the poster who commented on how angel has gone from the brink of cancellation to sudden improved ratings, it probably doesn't hurt that the show is getting a TON of pub this year...usa today had it as one of the top 10 things on tv (not just shows, because the included "angels in america" for instance) for 2003, plus the tvguide covers, etc...see, this is what happens when you actually start publicly backing a brilliant show, WB...

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:58 p.m. CST


    by atomheartbrother

    yeah it might have been a filler episode, but spike in ss gear, angel as captain america, and nosferatu for kicks? come on now, it was all good. angel sired somebody after he had a soul?!? now that a nice twist... that didn't overstay it's welcome, and kudos to whoever thought connecting "the initiative" with nazi experimenters; this is one x-files homage that works (i'm a sucker when they link all sorts of disparate stuff into tapestries of geek mythology) and muchas gracias for reminding me of a show that i still miss from time to time.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Next week on Angel...

    by CA$H

    "Let me put my brother on the phone."

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Next week's Angel is proof that this season is a complete fuckin

    by My Ass Smells

    Btw, this 1943 episode would've been so much better if Spike was not on the German Boat. 2 1/2 stars

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Not up to par with the last two eps., but still solid

    by jtp972

    Great exchange - Angel: "I'm not getting left at the bottom of the sea." Spike: "And I'm not getting my head experimented on." Funny reverse-foreshadowing moment. A little bit of a continuity problem, and I'll geek out here: in BTVS season 4, Spike seems utterly shocked and surprised at the existence of a military initiative experimenting on vampires. Okay...nitpicking there, I admit it. Loved the interaction between Angel and the Prince of Lies. "Sit down right here, Prince of Lies." They just called him 'Prince of Lies' like it was a regular name and never blinked. Funny! The whole thing of what kind of sire having a soul might make Angel is interesting. Kind of surprised they haven't dealt with that before. Oh! And Spike 'just liked the coat.' Nice.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Gunn's Brain Fart

    by Regenhund

    Anybody else spot Gunn's comment in the beginning- something he couldn't remember, "must be tired". I'm guessing with no one in the white room and no liason to the senior partners, Gunn's losing his mojo. <woof>

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Whistler... "eating rats for 90 years"

    by Recognizer

    Didn't Angel generally drift aimlessly for a while? Like, a LONG while? Wasn't he, like, a hobo in 1995, right before he met Buffy? Well... in '43, it looked like he was some kind of home-owner or something. Oh well.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Next weeks episode:Crank yankers?!!?!

    by Xandr37

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 11:20 p.m. CST


    by DarthHomercles

    Have you seen "Are You Now or Have You Ever Been" or "Orpheus"? Angel has had his ups and downs before Whistler found him. Of course, "Becoming" was written years before the aforementioned episodes, so there's a slight continuity snag. You must overlook such things if you want to keep the show interesting. :)

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Puppets,Vampires, Willam Dafoe,and Rasputin's lover

    by SpikeTBB

    I get the feeling next weeks episode has GOT to draw a parallel to Angel as a puppet and Angel being a puppet for WR&H. Spike

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 12:03 a.m. CST

    About Spike being surprised about the Iniative.

    by Robo A Go Go

    Actually, when Spike first encountered the Initiative, didn't he say, "Who are they? the government? the Nazis... a major cosmetic company?" Maybe that was foreshadowing. At the very least, it makes it so that there isn't a continuity error.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 12:34 a.m. CST

    I predict greatness for next weeks episode

    by Whedon

    "Your a wee Little Puppet man", I think this could and should be the funniest episode of ATS ever produced. Muppet Angel looks badass and it looks like we get Spike vs. Angel II kind of.lmfao

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Tonights episode solid...

    by Whedon

    Good but Not great and a little dissapointed with it not having more laughs seeing as Goddard wrote it but I guess you can't hit a homerun every time. Great interaction between Angel and Lawson over what he had to do to him. Spike's presence in the sub was neccesary if only to inject more humor into this one. Aside from Angel's interaction with the Prince of lies this one was humor free aside from Spike. Only question was where the hell Dru was supposed to be when all this was going on?

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 1:05 a.m. CST

    How's this for continuity...

    by Whedon

    In BtVS episode 4.7, "The Initiative," Spike woke up in a cell in The Initiative and was told by another vampire that there were scientists there who did experiments on captured vampires. Spike wondered who was behind the scientific experiments and the capturing of vampires: "The Nazis, the government, a major cosmetics company?" is what he said in what was originally a humerous throwaway line which Goddard used here to show Spike did actually believe it could have been Nazi's based on his experience in this episode. Great job in terms of continuity by incorporating a throw away line from 4 years ago.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Boy I hated that ending....

    by Rein

    ...I'm getting a little tired of Angel's past sires coming back to kill him. Other than that it was a great episode, and these supposed "continuity" errors are easily explained away.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Other errors...

    by DarkZero

    One of the other big continuity errors in this episode was that in a second season Angel episode, Angel explicitly states that he hadn't sired anyone since he got his soul. After he finds out that Darla is dying, they're standing around in Darla's seedy motel room and Angel wonders if "it (her being a vampire) might be different because he has a soul", and I believe he even flat out says that he hasn't sired anyone since he got his soul. --- The other, smaller one that hasn't been mentioned yet, is that vampires can smell Angel's soul. Spike not noticing Angel's soul during a brief meeting in China is one thing, but Spike spending DAYS in a confined area with Angel and not noticing what other vampires notice in moments? That's kind of a strange.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 2:09 a.m. CST


    by Ricky Roma

    Continuity errors aside, I think this was one of the better episodes this season. Next week's Angel-as-puppet episode has me a little worried - I think the show has really jumped the shark. (I'm a vampire, yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh). If you believe what has been written about the show suffering some pretty serious budget cuts, then they would be limited to one-location shoots and simple story lines, so I think they are doing the best with what they have. It's sad, though: I was really curious to see where the show would go after the last couple seasons, but watching it now you would never know what has happened. Also, does it seem like these posts are coming in a little late lately. I mean, by the time I see anything on this sight, the show has already aired. Am I the only one?

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Next week on Angel: Miss Piggy bones Angel

    by jules windex

    Oh come on it looks funny as hell. Remember the ventriloquist dummy ep of Buffy? This could be like that. I hope a dog runs into a scene and takes off with Angel in its mouth.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Not one to remember

    by Doggus47

    In my opinion it was a bad episode with some good moments- like the King of Lies. There are some things that can be explained by Spike being dumb- like not smelling Angel's soul or not realizing they could eat and turn the whole crew. I hope naming one of the guys Spinelli was to be funny because it seems like there's a guy named Spinelli in every WWII thing. And calling the episode "Why We Fight" is in questionable taste. All in all, I felt it was a let down after last week- they could've at least had a funeral for Cordelia. The only other interesting thing was the foreshadowing with Gunn.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 2:40 a.m. CST

    cool ep.

    by Calm_b4_the_Strm

    didnt David B. say that he really wanted to play Angel in A WW2 episode ??? It was great to see the dont-give-a-crap-about-anybody Angel of "are you now .. " again . Next weeks Angel looks freaking hilarious .

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Not An Error

    by TheDarkShape

    Never did Angel say he hadn't sired anyone since receiving a soul. He said he hadn't *fed* on anyone since receiving it. There's a difference, as he clearly didn't eat Lawson.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 9:03 a.m. CST

    My problems...

    by rev_skarekroe

    1) Doesn't it usually take a few days before someone turns into a vampire? How long were they supposed to be down there? 2) How deep was the sub supposed to be? Vampire or no, the pressure would crush Angel like an empty can if it was too far down. 3) Where was the German sub taking the Vamps, anyway? sk

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 9:05 a.m. CST


    by rev_skarekroe

    ...that's a continuity error in itself, since Angel eats the guy in the diner in that flashback last season. sk

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Angel turns into a puppet!!!

    by Blok Narpin

    Man that looks awesome! (I love this show!)

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 10:19 a.m. CST

    the title of the episode

    by blckmgk13

    "why we fight" is an allusion to a series of films that the us government commissioned Frank Capra to make. Yes THE Frank Capra who made the movie "It's A Wonderful Life".

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Picky, picky

    by zer0cool2k2

    Well, I'd think Angel siring Lawson would be one of those things he'd want to forget, so i can see him not telling anyone about, or even denying he had sired anyone since being cursed. I can let this kind of little stuff slide if it's serves the greater narrative purpose. I was kind of hoping to see a little of Spike's dark side, though. "Become a Nazi? Kill Americans at will. sounds like fun.", I mean, Vampires are supposed to be possessed by Evil demons. Guess they want to avoid anything that might bring down his popularity though. Still it would have been fun to see Angel's "Captain America" VS spike's "Red Skull", the secret weapons of two battling nations. On a lighter note, Muppet Angel looks awesome!

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 10:28 a.m. CST

    spike sired a bunch of vampires in season 7 of buffy

    by the_darkness

    how is lawson unique? because he was sired by a vampire with a soul? so were all those vampires that the first had spike siring when he was under it's control, we saw them in conversations with dead people and pavlov's bell wierd....

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Speaking of next week

    by zer0cool2k2

    I wish I could get rights to sell licensed repro's of that Angel Puppet. I'd make a fortune with the geek set. Plus, I could let my dog chew on a few of 'em and sell them as limited "Battle Scarred" variants.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 11:04 a.m. CST

    "Continuity errors"

    by BiPolarBear

    Angel never said he didn't sire someone, and he never said he didn't feed of anyone since he had a soul. What he said to Darla was that he didn't know what would happen if he sired her, but he was willing to try. And that is still true, since he didn't take the time to get to know the vampire Lawson. Also, this thing about vampires "smelling" souls. No one ever said that. The only one who ever recognized that Angel had a soul was Darla, when it first happened. The only person who ever mentioned "smelling" a soul was Doc, when he *didn't* smell one on Spike in Buffy 5.22-The Gift.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 12:21 p.m. CST

    " I hope a dog runs into a scene and takes off with Angel in its

    by inkymae

    just the thought of that has me laughing out loud. Last night's episode was excellent. One of the best angel's in a long time. (But then I also loved the one about the mexican wrestlers) I have a feeling that the puppet episode is going to be brilliant on the same level of the bizarre and brilliant stuff that Edlund did with "The Tick" who else could think up a "Pigleg"?

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 12:56 p.m. CST

    buffy mirror i assume...

    by TAE3001

    it seems Angel has inherited Buffy's (R.I.P.)humor..thats a good thing.... can't wait till next week.. I am startin to love Angel and Spike together they are definetly the new and sexier odd couple..

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 2:34 p.m. CST


    by Toonimator

    Not many comments about Gunn's hiccup, except to ponder whether he's losing his smarts... the way it sounded to me was that he was about to reveal something that he wasn't supposed to tell Team Angel about. I forget the exact line, but it sounded more like he was covering up & playing dumb with his "must be tired" bit. I wonder if that's what Doggus' "foreshadowing" comment referred to, rather than Gunn losing his lawyer mojo? As for how Lawson got Gunn, probably surprised him like Wesley, or used Wes & Fred against him.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Drew Goddard

    by Toonimator

    He wrote one of the tales in the latest issue of "Tales of the Vampire" Hit stands yesterday. A hilarious encounter between Buffy, two new slayers, and Dracula... about getting something back that belongs to Buffy. The timeframe's a bit in the future, as Drac's had this thing for about a year, meaning post-finale. Fun stuff. Joss & Jane contribute stories as well.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 3:09 p.m. CST

    On Continuity Errors & Such

    by DefyThis

    Dunno about soul-smelling, but in "Disharmony" in S2, Wesley mentions to Angel that some vampires can sense his soul. In "School Hard", Spike does play along for a bit then says something like "do you think I wouldn't know" - THAT could be chalked up to him hearing it someplace later and not saying anything. But it's definitely iffy. Regardless, if some vampires can sense it, you'd think the Prince of Lies would be one. They should have let him live, btw. Also, the Darla thing is a problem. He says to her "maybe it'll be different" because he had a soul. I don't buy that Angel didn't have time to "get to know" Lawson. You could tell he was evil right away, since he immediately gave up caring about the crew. Sure maybe he had a tiny bit of humanity (a lot of people argued that Spike has this since he was always more human-like than other vamps), but it just doesn't work well based on his talk with Darla in S2. Also, Dawson rose way too fast. A good ep, but the lame ending and continuity gaffs drag it down.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Err, LAWSON

    by DefyThis

    not Dawson. I swear I know nothing about that damn creek show... except Katie Holmes...

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 3:55 p.m. CST


    by cooper2000

    Whedon sold his sole to the devil by agreeing to make stand alone episodes with the Monster of the Week. Theres been about 5 good episodes this season and considering we have less than 10 to go that's not a good ration. Last weeks episode was great. Why cant we get ones like that every week????? No mentoon of Cordie in this episode? Lame! Next week Angel is a puppet? Sad!

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Lawson's rising

    by Toonimator

    I got the impression time had passed, because by the time Lawson fixed the sub, they were nearly out of air. Coulda been a couple days, perhaps?

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Avenue Q

    by TodayzSpecial

    You guys have to see this in light of Angel next week:

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 6:03 p.m. CST

    hilarious cartoon spoof

    by koondiman it's like the second coming of south park. fucking hilarious

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 6:28 p.m. CST

    you know, I never watched Angel ever but I saw the last 20 min o

    by Tall_Boy

    I think the poster who said "THE X-FILES LIVED AGAIN FOR AN HOUR" was totally on the money.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 10:23 p.m. CST


    by saiyanspider


  • Feb. 12, 2004, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Can't believe they were allowed to to call someone a dick

    by Whedon

    that was friggin hilarious. only on the WB i tell ya.

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Spike's Soul

    by DoctorDetroit

    I don't have access to those last episodes of BTVS, but this is how I remember things. When Spike left and began events that resulted in his getting a soul, he actually wanted to be returned to a mindset that would let him kill Buffy and eliminate her as the object of the torment he felt. I thought the soul was not what he believed would be the result of the trials to which he submitted himself. Hence, he too was cursed with a soul (this would be supported by his actions after his return to Sunnydale since he was in hiding ala Angel at that stage rather than going to Buffy and saying "Look what I did for you!" What say, folks?

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 4:54 p.m. CST

    DoctorDetroit, Spike's Soul

    by DefyThis

    I always saw it as the writers using a red herring - they made it seem like Spike wanted the chip out, then it turns out what he wanted all along was a soul (I'm gonna give the bitch what she deserves). But there's been plenty of debate over it since it never was very clear.

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 4:57 p.m. CST

    This show has muppets.

    by Christopher3

    But no women.

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Muppets and Women ...

    by jgsugden

    Bah, who needs the women. I've never known of anything you needed a woman for that couldn't be done with a muppet ...

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Angel cancelled

    by doverpro

    Word is spreading rapidly. Angel just got cancelled. They'll finish season 5 and that's it. Cast and crew were informed a little while ago.

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 7:53 p.m. CST

    About Angel being canceled Doverpro

    by Real Deal

    Please provide a link or something because you seem to be the only one saying that. Also everybody included in the production has been saying it will probably go right up to the last min. until they know about next season. So proof please.

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Worst News... Ever!

    by thegraduate

    I'm... sad... Ok, now I'm angry. Must kill stupid executive types.

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 8:19 p.m. CST

    sorry to be the bearer of bad news

    by doverpro

    As you now know, has it. Poster above put the address up. I work on the lot near stage 6. Crew found out earlier today. At least they get to finish the season. At least they get a little heads up that it's coming so they can write a good finale.

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Just found the Zap2it article as well...

    by buckna

    SAD, SAD NEWS... a year ago the news would of killed me, but I haven't been a big fan of this season so my interest has waned. Unfortunately, I'm down to only one show on TV that I make it a point to watch now, so while I've considered it over the past few weeks, I've now made up my mind to cancel my cable. C'est la vie...

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Angel on some other network

    by Real Deal

    I've always wondered since Angel is made by FOX why don't they pick it up. It would really give me a reason to watch FOX. However after Buffy's lackluster showing on UPN I wonder if they would. Sad, sad, day.

  • Feb. 14, 2004, 12:42 a.m. CST

    ANGEL HAS BEEN CANCELLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by mpfanatic

    FUCK YOU WB FUCK YOU It's Over in Five for 'Angel' (Friday, February 13 04:53 PM) By Kate O'Hare LOS ANGELES ( - Early Friday (Feb. 13) an announcement was made to the cast and crew at The WB's "Angel" that this season, the show's fifth, will be its last. "It's official enough to know it's real," David Greenwalt, who co-created the series with Joss Whedon, tells, "but I haven't talked to anybody at the network or the studio. I can tell you that it's real, that it makes Mr. Whedon and myself very sad, that we wish it had kept going and we thought it was only getting better. "Joss and [executive producer]Jeff Bell told the cast and crew today. We have no understanding of the inner workings of the corporate world, but we've had a long and fruitful relationship with [producing studio] 20th Century Fox and The WB, for which we are grateful. We just wish it could have gone on forever. Apparently, it's not going to. "Joss literally called me this morning; so it's very new." This news comes on the heels of airing the 100th episode of the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" spin-off, the taping of which was marked by a party on the show's sets last November. At that time, the WB's entertainment chief, Jordan Levin, said, "The work that you all do, I cannot thank you enough. This is something that will last. You can see it in the DVD sales. You see it in the fans. They give an incredible amount of attention to almost everything. "You've created a cult here, and it's pretty wonderful to be a part of it. So thank you and congratulations." It's the network's regard for the show that prompted it to give the producers an early enough heads up for a proper send-off at the end of the season. "Like some of the great series that are leaving the air this year, including 'Frasier' and 'Friends,' the cast, crew, writers and producers of 'Angel' deserve to be able to wrap up the series in a way befitting a classic television series, and that is why we went to Joss to let him know that this would be the last year of the series on The WB," the network says in a statement. "We have discussed continuing the Angel legacy with special movie events next year, which is still on the table. " Next week, on Wednesday, Feb. 18, "Angel" airs one of its most innovative episodes, called "Smile Time." Written and directed by Ben Edlund ("The Tick"), and based on an idea by Whedon, it sees the show's title character, a crusading vampire with a soul, forced to fight evil after being transformed into a walking puppet (with voice by series star David Boreanaz). "It's so brilliant," Greenwalt says. "I just love it. It's one of the finest pieces of filmmaking I've ever seen. It just cracked me up. It's so ridiculous and silly, and yet there's all this heartfelt stuff in it. It's just quintessential Whedon. "But wait until you see the episode that follows it in terms of abject heartbreak. It's just searing." Greenwalt stepped away from "Angel" a few years ago but has remained a consulting producer. Since then, he's worked on two short-lived but critically acclaimed series, ABC's "Miracles" and UPN's "Jake 2.0." But he's contemplating a possible return to his old stomping ground. "I might just go direct episode 20 [of 'Angel']," he says, "so I can say my farewell to everybody. That's something that might happen." As to the future of the show's star, The WB says, "David Boreanaz continues to be one of the finest, classiest and friendliest actors we have had the pleasure to work with and we hope that the relationship furthers from here. "The same can be said for all the actors and producers on the show. "