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Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

Well, by now, you’ve all read the news. Yes, the STAR WARS DVDs are coming. And, as I’ve been saying since we started the Jedi Council articles, they are going to be the SPECIAL EDITIONS from ’97, and not the original untouched films.

I know, I know... you don’t believe it. You’re convinced that George Lucas is going to change his mind and release the films the way you want them released. You’re sure of it. He couldn’t possibly have meant it when he said that he will never release the original theatrical versions of the films again, right?

Personally, I think only a stone cold sap still thinks they’re going to get the originals on DVD anytime soon. I sat in the Egyptian and watched Lucas when they screened clips from the original versions at a special ILM retrospective, and he looked like he wanted to crawl out of his skin. He hates those films. He hates watching those films. He is embarrassed by his own accomplishments, and he has gone around the bend. My advice? Accept it. You’re not going to get another commercial release of the movies. Not now. Not ever.

However... if it really chaps your ass to the degree that you just won’t be able to tolerate the next nine months without whining and crying in every available forum about Lucas and his long-since-announced policy, there is a way you can have a genuine impact. It’s not by signing petitions. It’s not by writing angry posts to message boards. There is one, and only one, absolutely guaranteed method by which you can affect Lucas and possibly force him to change his mind, and that is by organized financial boycott. If fandom decided that it was a big enough deal to them that they were not getting the original theatrical versions of the films, they could demonstrate their personal displeasure by not buying the box set.

And that’ll never happen.

So on September 21st, there will be a box set of STAR WARS movies on DVD. Already, there’s a lot of speculation about what versions of the movies they are. As I understand it, they are the 1997 theatrical versions of the SPECIAL EDITIONS, with no changes. Some people are sending me rumors of changes or potential changes, but I haven’t heard anything conclusive yet. Until we do, let’s assume that you’ll get what you’ve already seen. I know they’re cleaning them up in terms of the video mastering and the prints, so expect them to be the absolute prettiest versions of the SPECIAL EDITIONS ever produced.

There’s more big news for spoiler-freaks today, our first official glimpse of General Grievous. We were just discussing when this would happen in the latest Jedi Council meeting, which took place just over a week ago. Already, there are things we were debating here that have changed in the week that has passed. Obi-Swan and Mr. Beaks handled the transcription duties this time, and I think they did a hell of a job. The thing I want to say, as always, is that we are in no way trying to hold ourselves up as the ultimate STAR WARS fans or anything of the sort. We’re just excited about the final film in the trilogy, eager to see what develops, having fun by having these conversations. It’s a way to enjoy the countdown. We’re looking at just over a year until EPISODE III opens, and we’re trying to savor it.

This time out, we met at Frosty Skywalker’s house again, and we had Frosty, Obi-Swan, myself, The Hellboy, Carl Cunningham, Dr. Hfuhruhurr, SarahS, Frosty’s roommate Mxyzlptlk, Darth Tardy, the wee flmlvr, JedTheHutt, and the one and only Hercules The Strong, all together, all eager to talk about all the recent bits and pieces. From time to time, I’m going to interject to add something you may not know or some link that may help clarify something that’s being discussed.












”The Duel”

MORIARTY: Obviously, the biggest news this week in terms of STAR WARS fandom was the release of the stuff from the European marketing conference where the EPISODE III behind-the-scenes footage was re-edited to AC/DC’s “Back In Black.” It went everywhere. It’s been passed from website to website, from newsgroups to message boards. I assume everybody here has seen it. Let’s throw it up for discussion. What did everybody think?

CARL: I think Lucasfilm is glad it’s not the nine minute video.

MORIARTY: There’s a nine minute version?

CARL: Supposedly, yeah. There was one shown to the U.S. market. It actually had footage from the film.

FROSTY: I actually have to say that I am shocked, given the days we’re in, that more footage doesn’t become available on the Internet.

DARTH DARTH TARDY: I’m shocked that the nine minutes aren’t here right now.

Actually, according to one source, it’s much longer than just 9 minutes, and we managed to talk one exuberant spy into giving us a full account of the presentation, which we’ll share before we continue:

Hi Harry

As promised here are the spoilers of the info of the Lucusfilm Star Wars Presentation that was for 50 or so people at London Toy Fair. Basically they were the 50 biggest toy buyers and licensing companies in Europe and i work in one of the categories !!

So here are the Spoilers

Its all true so dont shoot the messanger !!

Star Wars Eps 3

Ok this is from memory

The presentation opened up with a 20 minute montage of what Star Wars has meant over the last 20 years or so and then it was announced that unlike other star wars movies they were giving us a synopsis of the movie and then bang we were into it. It was explained that what we were seeing was

A) Rough Early Footage

B) Animation

C) Storyboards

D) Blue Screen footage

It starts with the fact that the Senator Palpatine has been kidnapped by the renegades because of the continuing clonewars. Annakin and Obi-won are sent to rescue him. It is basically a pod race in space feel, with both of them in their own space craft, not seen in any of the previous movies. They are attacked while approaching star destroyers but and if memory serves Saw Droids (look a little similar to Matrix Sentinals but smaller) Obi-Won is attached by 5 or 6 of them and is going to die. Annakin comes to the rescue by bashing the ship with his ship and knocking them off. This was footage and looked rough but very cool

We are then told over black screen that the rescue was successful BUT

We next see them into the control room of the star destroyer with no bad guys around but the ship is out of control and approaching and going to crash in a planet. We see the ship starting to burn up in the atmosphere and half the ship gets blown away. Our heroes we are told escape. Again footage rough but good

The Film, we are next told is set on two planets (again the names escape me) one is the planet primarily of water and mountains but the mountains have dwellings on the side, and another is the wookie planet, where we are told we will meet chewbacca. Who becomes a great hero because of this film. Storyboards

We are then told that Amidala is pregnant by Annakin - no images just storyboards

We are then told that in the movie we will see how C3PO and R2D2 move from Eps 3 to A new Hope as it is hinted that they are passed to somebody's position

We next encounter Obi-Won who is investigating a matter for the Jedi on the Mountain planet, the only way of climbing a m,mountain is on a creature, similar to bantha but much much bigger and very speedy who runs up the mountains, bit like a taxi.

- This is animation

We are told that the clone wars are going the way of the separatists and that something is causing the Jedi to be wiped out - but we do not know why or by who.

We are then told there are two climactic battles

1. Yoda / Annakin / Obi-Won vs New Evil Guy, and Emperor , this is done in storyboards, but we are told that yoda and palpatine fight with every conceivable item

2. Annakin vs Obi-Won. We see this both in actual footage but also in animation. The footing is blue screen and is very intense and we see 5 minutes worth in tunnels and rooms and bit like the rooms where Han is frozen in EMPIRE. we do not see an outcome

then we move to animation and then pop - it smacks you in the face of how he becomes darth - VERY VERY VERY VERY BIG SPOILERS.

They are fighting on floating bays over a lava lake this is burning ferocious flames, they are crashing and falling over each other - and getting burnt. again we do not see an outcome but if its anything like the animation then wow !!! My thoughts are that Annakin is very burnt and is re-built by the Emperor as darth Vader

At no point are we told that Padme is killed but we are told that she bears two children, we are shows the planet tattoine and told that the children are split up and one LUKE is going to his uncle.

We are also show the last scene on tatoine where we see two suns in the distance to signify the two kids

This was hugely impressive although I may not have remembered it all, but I did most and think it look great.

Then we are told that this movie answers and ties up all the questions for the last 20 years.

We are told that they will be two very very bad guys in this movie, but interestingly we are not told about Count Dooku - where is he in all this !!

The hint was that one of the baddies may be female - which would be interesting !

Other than that if I remember more I will advise

Yours

The Highbury Spy

CARL: Whoever shot the video is going to be busted. The original file name said what it came from and the date and everything.

MR. BEAKS: Getting back to the point of how it looked. It’s tough to say...

MXYZLPTLK: It was very green.

MR. BEAKS: I think it looks like great fight choreography. They’re really into it. They’re going at it. It looks about as ferocious as I expected.

CARL: It’s the one sequence of the film that we should have no worries about.

MR. BEAKS: Yeah, well... the duels have always been good. The best thing about EPISODE I was the duel. The best thing about EPISODE II, I guess that duel was pretty good, too... but, yeah... that’s the thing they can’t fuck up.

FLMLVR: Don’t say that. They’re going to have all sorts of lava shit in the middle of that... jumping from stone to stone.

CARL: My biggest fear... the only thing that can mess up that scene... is Lucas putting his Super-Editor hat on in the editing room and saying “It’s not fast enough.” Right now it’s at twelve minutes, which would make it the longest fight scene in a film. My fear is that he’s going to cut it down to five or six minutes and intercut it.

DARTH TARDY: He’s gypped us on all the lightsaber battles in my opinion. He took out the second lightsaber from Dooku in ATTACK OF THE CLONES. He took out Darth Maul jumping onto the ramp going after Qui-Gon.

SARAH S: I actually like the idea of it being cut, though. That goes back to RETURN OF THE JEDI. That final duel between Vader and Luke is intercut with a lot of other tense scenes.

MORIARTY: I think that’s what would make it stand alone. I actually would like to see one interrupted fight because it’s not just a fight. This really is the whole reason these three films were made. Emotionally, I don’t want it cut with another action scene that’s just another action scene. It’s just an excuse to see another location.

FROSTY: Unless it’s cutting away to see Jedi being killed or seeing the destruction of everything we know in the universe.

DR HFUHRUHURR.: Like the end of The Godfather.

MORIARTY: It better be monumental. Emotionally it needs to be the equal of the duel.

MR. BEAKS: I expect it to be cut with something because Lucas... there are certain things he likes to do... he likes to break up and intercut action sequences.

CARL: I think the notion of Yoda and Sidious having a lightsaber duel is... I can’t think of anything more contrived that could be in this film… in my opinion. First of all, to me it was a stretch to see Yoda fight, although it did work. I mean, it wasn’t completely laughable. I could do without seeing either of these characters wield a lightsaber. Now we have to see them both wield one. It just seems far too convenient... too pandering.

FROSTY: Are we sure Sidious has a lightsaber? The entire Council responds with an overwhelming “yes.”

FROSTY: I guess my question is, how much lightsaber action will he have?

CARL: Yoda has an “epic duel.” It’s not with Dooku.

OBI-SWAN: It has to be with Sidious.

SARAH S: I don’t think so. I think his duel is going to be for his life as the last surviving...

CARL: No, he has a duel with another person who has a lightsaber.

FROSTY: This actually goes along with something I wanted to address. We’ve gone over this many times... what’s the actual premise of the film. We’ve done this so much that a lot of us feel familiar with the plot. But there have to be some people who are reading this who are not aware of what happens in the film. I think it would be beneficial for someone to go through right now and give a basic outline of the movie... what we know so far.

OBI-SWAN: Is there some place we can link to, maybe?

MR. BEAKS: I heard that Mickey Suttle has an excellent treatment on his site.

Everyone breaks out laughing.

MORIARTY: (genuinely excited) Supershadow! Supershadow’s got it!

FROSTY: Are we dignifying his bullshit by bringing it up?

MORIARTY: I visit his site five times a week.

OBI-SWAN: He’s Lucas’s friend, though. But also, y’know what..?

No one can stop laughing.

OBI-SWAN: I would actually like to see Darth Sidious use a lightsaber. I’m curious. How good he is?

DARTH TARDY: Why should he be good with a lightsaber? He’s the most powerful Sith there is. A lightsaber is beneath him.

CARL: His power is that he’s pulled all these strings.

MR. BEAKS: He’s bent the galaxy to his will.

MORIARTY: I guess the question then is, who taught Darth Maul? Who taught these apprentices of his? Wouldn’t the lightsaber have to be a part of his training? I’m not saying I need to see it in the movie, but at some point he must have...

CARL: If it grew from that notion, I wouldn’t have a problem, but I know for a fact... well, I don’t know it for a fact, but you just know, it’s common sense, Lucas is like, “Wouldn’t it be cool if..? The end of EPISODE II worked so well, let’s have Yoda and The Emperor...”

SARAH S: I don’t see that happening. From everything I’ve read, everything I’ve come across, nothing leads me to think that Yoda and Sidious are going to fight. Yoda’s gonna...

MORIARTY: Really?!

SARAH S: ... when it’s he and Chewbacca... the last ones on the planet... that’s when he’s gonna maybe reach his duel.

HERC: Moriarty’s question about who’s training these guys... Anakin has no training from Sidious at all and he went on, of course, to be a Darth.

MORIARTY: Right. But he had training through the Jedi. Somebody was training these guys who obviously didn’t come from the ranks of the Jedi.

HERC: Well, my thought was that Anakin, Maul and the others probably got their training from other sources. Some sort of intergalactic CIAs and FBIs.

SARAH S: Or Maybe Sidious has the first couple of strokes at Mace Windu and says, “See? If you really want to learn how to use a lightsaber, watch me.”

HERC: Dooku would be another good galactic CIA where they could have learned this stuff.

FLMLVR: Something’s got to send Yoda to Dagobah. It’s not just going to be that his people get wiped out on Kyk and he decides to go there. Something’s got to humble him and make him into the cranky old person we see in EMPIRE.

MORIARTY: Right now, I’m really curious. This is about the time in each film’s production schedule when we get the script. It’s right about now each time when it happens. And I’m very curious this time to see this come together and to see if we can verify some of the totally different story versions that I’m hearing. There are places where things don’t agree. I heard, on the one hand, with The Emperor, that his true face is revealed in this movie. And that it’s something that he’s been masking. But I’ve also heard, from other sources, that there is no true face. That after he and Yoda have their duel, and Yoda lays the smack-down on him, that he looks like The Emperor. That before then, he’s just regular Palpatine and it’s Yoda that leave him a little extra crispy. Those are totally divergent versions of...

CARL: I’ve heard a third one. I’ve heard that during the birth of Vader scene where Anakin does a freak-out. That makes him look like The Emperor. That’s probably the least likely of the three. But I’ve heard that one as well.

MORIARTY: I’m curious if Lucas has done any stuff he did on the set of JEDI or EMPIRE... where he shoots something on the set and has one version, and plans a different version.

CARL: I’m sure. There’s a lot of shooting left. There’s more shooting left than they’ve admitted. All the action scenes with Wookies haven’t even been shot yet.

DARTH TARDY: Is it true there’s a month of shooting left in November?

CARL: I’ve heard five weeks. They’re shooting in March as well.

SARAH S: March has always been on the schedule.

CARL: These are scheduled like entire sequences that weren’t filmed in principal, which I don’t believe they did the first two times.

HELLBOY: How done is the script?

CARL: The script was complete, but it was 100 to 110 pages. And it’s always in flux.

MR. BEAKS: Then, do we know now who has been writing with him?

MORIARTY: As I understand it, it’s Tom Stoppard. That’s the name I’ve heard more often than any. And I’ve heard it from enough sources that I’d say there’s an 80% chance it’s Stoppard.

SARAH S: He’s non-guild. He’s pretty.

MORIARTY: And he’s someone Lucas and Spielberg are fond of. Tom Stoppard was the guy who delivered the shooting draft of SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE. He took Marc Norman’s script and turned it into what people really fell for. You gotta love ROSENCRANTZ & GUILDENSTERN ARE DEAD. He co-wrote BRAZIL, adapted EMPIRE OF THE SUN…

MR. BEAKS: The guy is one of the best playwrights... one of the smartest guys...

MORIARTY: And, on top of that, he’s Hollywood-friendly. He’s not the kind of guy who’s above coming in and doing these re-writes. Because he’s non-guild, he was the perfect choice. Spielberg supposedly loved him... loved the EMPIRE OF THE SUN process... and I’m sure he would have highly recommended him.

HERC: EMPIRE OF THE SUN kinda sucked, didn’t it?

The entire room jumps on Herc, shouting “NO!”

MORIARTY: No, it’s great. It’s right up there.

FLMLVR: Does anyone know what Spielberg’s involvement was on this film? If any.

MORIARTY: I bet his only involvement was brokering the Stoppard thing... getting him hooked up with Lucas. Because he’s been busy working back-to-back-to-back. He hasn’t had time for anything else.

HELLBOY: TERMINAL has been difficult.

MORIARTY: And INDY IV is a bitch in pre-production. They’re still not sure if they’re shooting in June.

Keep in mind… this was last week… before the big announcements about how Lucas rejected the INDY 4 draft despite both Spielberg and Darabont feeling like they’d really nailed it. I’ll have an official statement on this from one of the key players in the days ahead, but for now, let’s see how we were feeling about the film just before the announcement...

OBI-SWAN: It’s February. If they’re shooting in June, there’s a problem. Have they built sets yet?

MORIARTY: I don’t think so.

OBI-SWAN: They’d have to do location shooting first while sets are constructed. That scares me. RAIDERS and TEMPLE OF DOOM are great soundstage movies. The sets were big and inventive. LAST CRUSADE was kind of a letdown. They just weren’t...

MORIARTY: They weren’t as interesting.

MR. BEAKS: I’ll bet my money right now that movie doesn’t get made.

MORIARTY: It’ll play a double-bill with Warner Bros.’ new SUPERMAN film.

MR. BEAKS: I mean, my god, have you see the photos of Harrison down in Mexico? READ PART II OF THE COUNCIL HERE!!

Readers Talkback
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  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:08 a.m. CST

    I know noone cares but I won't buy the DVD set

    by stackpointer

    Oh, yeah, and fuck Lucas. The new versions aren't any better than the old ones.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:08 a.m. CST

    At least they are now in digital form

    by pax256

    And we can edit the shit out of em and burn our own *cough* backup *cough* copies :)

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:10 a.m. CST

    The thing with Lucas is that he always saw CGI in his minds eye.

    by TheGinger Twit

    I say, good on him. But he really shouldn't have directed the new films. Attack of the clones wasn't that bad. Oh...... First - lol

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:11 a.m. CST

    We'll get the OT

    by TheBuffalo

    I agree

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Where is Count Dooku?

    by TheBuffalo

    Simple. His scenes are filmed, but they'll be included on the DVD Special Edition. :)

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:23 a.m. CST

    I want a new version of Wizard of Oz...

    by stackpointer

    I hate those cheesy special effects and mono sound. And I want a CG Toto & CG Lion. That Emerald City background painting sucks! (If you lost your sense of humor by any chance, this was only irony)

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:24 a.m. CST

    No matter what, it's still gonna suck

    by theoneofblood

    I have no faith in the Star Wars franchise anymore. Lucas is a dick, even the awesome Tom Stoppard isn't going to be able to save this.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Original star wars on DVD

    by indy1977

    If people are really that bothered about getting the original star wars trilogy on dvd without the special edition, there are ways. My friend picked them up in the Far East on holiday and they are good quality with the originals trailers attached....i'm sure somewhere you would be able to copy formats from laser disc or simliar.........

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:49 a.m. CST

    First predicted over two years ago...

    by Some Dude

    After watching Ep2 I made a few predictions, one of which was that Ep3 would introduce us to a character, dressed in white, who uses the same life support-armor as Vader, most likely Sifo-Dyas. I predicted General Grievous to a friggin' T. My next prediction to come true is that Chancellor Palpatine is not Sidious.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Intercut the final lightsabre duel with Lucas vs. the fans

    by Yo Yo Man

    I got the original trilogy on video when Lucas announced "Hey, it's your last chance" even though I didn't believe him -'Cause, you know, what about in fifty years' time? But it looks as if the multi-chinned quiffed one was telling the truth after all. Bastard. I'm not going to buy this new boxset. Fair enough, I'm not really the biggest Star Wars fan anymore and I wouldn't rush out to buy the original versions either, but the whole idea of someone fucking up their films to such an extraordinary extent just repels me. I've lost interst in the whole saga. I used to love these movies, and for old times' sake I like to read any news about them. Even though it depresses the hell out of me. How is it possible, when you're bathing in money, and you have one of the most lucrative cinematic concepts of all time, and the pick of international film-making talent and expertise, to make such uninteresting movies as Episodes I and II??? The Phantom Menace bored me to tears, and I only saw Clones because, hey, Natalie Portman. I'll see the third one, too, for the sake of completion, but I know I'll feel like I've just munched a Big Mac and contributed to corporate whoreishness with little or no meaningful return. We are kind of held to ransom here, aren't we? We'll see these movies and buy these DVDs even though we know what we're letting ourselves in for, just because it's Star Wars. More than the crapness of the new films (and new versions) that's what really bugs me.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Originals!

    by TheBuffalo

    The 1997 versions of the films are not about removing some matte lines. They have been completely redone and they are different films. I remember seeing those matte lines when I first saw Star Wars in 1977. Didn't bother me one bit, and they still don't. NOT seeing them bothers the shit out of me, though.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 8 a.m. CST

    Boycott

    by -Halfscan-

    Boycott won't work one bit. Even if fan-boy in the known universe refused to buy these discs, it'll still set sales records. DVD (and music) sales are reported as what the store buys (as opposed to what the consumer purchases)... so when your local Walmart orders a few 100,000 units of these per store, those are reported as "sales", even if those discs are still sitting on their shelves 10 years from now. It's a shame, but that's how the business works. -Half

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 8 a.m. CST

    I'm shocked to say "I don't care"

    by CellarDoor

    I WAS a huge star wars fan but then Peter Jackson treated me like an adult. Then I realised the folly of being a star wars fan, there is no reward in watching a trumped up kids movie. The emotions once stirred up by the awesome puppet work in Empire and the resonance of the binary sunset have been tramples into the mud by a franchise that has treated me with respect. My appreciation for the original trilogy is now one of nostalgia, not an appreciation of the films themselves. The cynical amongst us will appreciate this.... http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1965

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 8 a.m. CST

    I just hope.....

    by thegodfather

    that the extras on the discs are excellent. not good but excellent. They have to be given the wealth of material that Lucasfilm has built up over the years. Unless they're gonna save it for the super box set when all six films are released together........ I also hope that the packaging is really beautiful- like the Once Upon A Time In The West or LOTR releases. Please don't fuck this up Mr. Lucas. God, I read somewhere that he was inserting new scenes into the already messed with Special Editions. Glad that's not true and I can live with the 1997 releases. On the whole they're pretty good.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 8:09 a.m. CST

    I should just add

    by thegodfather

    that I'm not a massive fan anymore, but I don't want to buy them and get totally stiffed in the ass by the beard (again). I'd rather wait until some sort of super boxed set comes out in 2005/6 so that I know I never have to buy another fucking star wars release again(and again). If this news had come about 6 years ago, I would have creamed my jeans whereas now I just don't give that much of a fuck.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Old effects vs. CGI

    by Yo Yo Man

    You know what? I like the old matte lines and puppets and dodgy effects. I mean, you're watching a story about people who fly spaceships and fight with glowstick swords. If it's realism you're after, go find a fucking documentary. CGI just looks like CGI. It's totally out of place against a background set built out of polystyrene. Episodes I and II have computer effects coming out their ears, and it just makes them look like the most expensive episodes of Babylon 5 ever made. Watching the special editions at the cinema, I felt like I was watching two seperate movies fighting over the screen. The new stuff is just cut-'n'-pasted in, like the crowds celebrating at the end of Jedi. Where the fuck did they come from? What, were they just sitting on their arses while these rebels were fighting for their lives? The footage doesn't even match, it's too clean and the shots don't tally with how Lucas or his director-bitches would have filmed a similar scene with real people. It's painful. Fuck Lucasfilm, Yo Yo Man out.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Drew please read

    by Bcphil

    Are you sure this is right... "Yoda / Annakin / Obi-Won vs New Evil Guy, and Emperor" I think it could be Dooku in there, not the Emperor??? This makes no sense.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 8:46 a.m. CST

    I would not support a boycott.

    by Blok Narpin

    I prefer the Special Editions. They are the same movies, with minor changes and improved effects. Lucas is the creator and that's the way he wants it, and I support that 100% because if I ever create something that has the fan following and success Star Wars has had then I want to be the one who can make those calls about my films. I hated Greedo shooting first, but other then that there was nothing wrong with the special editions. Does an occassional CGI Dewback, or adding more stormtroopers in the Death Star or adding windows to Cloud City really bother you all so much? The movies are the same, the changes are minor. If they make the films more inline with the director/creator's original intentions then what's wrong with that??

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:02 a.m. CST

    According to Luca$film, STAR WARS is not a democracy

    by SpyGuy

    From TheForce.net... SW on DVD: Why Just the Special Editions? Tue, Feb 10, 04 01:30:28 AM EST The NY Post has more info on the Classics headed to DVD. Here's an excerpt from the Special Edition question: Instead, the DVDs will include the much-debated versions director Lucas released in the '90s with new digital effects and plot twists that softened the character of Han Solo - even though DVD makes it easy to offer both the original and director's cut of a movie. It's simply a matter of an artist's right, says Jim Ward, a Lucasfilm vice president and the executive producer of the set. "We realize there's a lot of debate out there," says Ward. "But this is not a democracy. We love our fans, but this is about art and filmmaking. [George] has decided that the sole version he wants available is this one." The original "Star Wars" from 1977 is the second-highest-grossing movie of all time in the U.S. (behind "Titanic"), and all three "Star Wars" movies in the trilogy still rank in the Top 20. ***** So basically what Ward is saying, it doesn't matter what the fans/consumers want, only what George wants. So George has taken away your favorite toys, told you that can't play with them anymore, and that you have to start playing with his brand-new toys instead, whether you like them or not. Thanks a lot, George, you selfish bastard.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:14 a.m. CST

    God damn i wish i was there to cut some of you guys down

    by TheGinger Twit

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Hey Doug crane... is that the best you can do to jump on the 'i

    by TheGinger Twit

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:24 a.m. CST

    i am not...

    by web labrador

    buying another fricking star wars thing ever again, i have 3 fricking sets already...

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:26 a.m. CST

    bah

    by AlgertMopper

    wow, that whole thing was nothing but people who failed at trying to get in the "biz" whining

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:28 a.m. CST

    and...

    by web labrador

    george lucas can kiss my furry ass... i've probably paid for one of his houses by now...

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:39 a.m. CST

    The Original OT is superior cause it was

    by spike fan

    Filmmaking history at the time. ANH and Empire Strikes Back are or now that Lucas has f##ed them over WERE 2 brilliant films (RTJ Apart from the Vader/Luke scenes and the Space battle was a bit crap). The SE's are just self indulgent editing from a very out of touch guy surronded by Yes men.################################# It comes more and more clear that the reason the OT worked in the first place was less to do with Lucas and more to do with people like Gary Kurtz/Leigh Brackett (The woman who put the Vader is Lukes farther twist in)/Lucas ex wife/Kasadan and Kirshner. Lucas knows this and thats why he is trying to change them he is bitter that he gets the credit for what they have done and it eats him up. So with the urging of yes men like Mcullum we get the SE's and may god forgive him the Prequels. As for buying the SE's NO CHANCE.I have the originals on VHS and will get them on Laser disk. Sure there are thousands of shmucks out there who will but who cares.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Star Wars 3

    by Dolmes

    'We next encounter Obi-Won who is investigating a matter for the Jedi on the Mountain planet, the only way of climbing a ,mountain is on a creature, similar to bantha but much much bigger and very speedy who runs up the mountains, bit like a taxi. ' No. the reason it's the only way to climb a mountain is because it's a way of bringing in revenue.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Any chance??

    by jangojett

    Any chance an Ep3 trailer could be on the DVD release???

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:46 a.m. CST

    I couldn't have said it better...

    by JAGUART

    " I got the original trilogy on video when Lucas announced "Hey, it's your last chance" even though I didn't believe him -'Cause, you know, what about in fifty years' time? But it looks as if the multi-chinned quiffed one was telling the truth after all. Bastard. I'm not going to buy this new boxset. Fair enough, I'm not really the biggest Star Wars fan anymore and I wouldn't rush out to buy the original versions either, but the whole idea of someone fucking up their films to such an extraordinary extent just repels me. I've lost interst in the whole saga. I used to love these movies, and for old times' sake I like to read any news about them. Even though it depresses the hell out of me. How is it possible, when you're bathing in money, and you have one of the most lucrative cinematic concepts of all time, and the pick of international film-making talent and expertise, to make such uninteresting movies as Episodes I and II??? The Phantom Menace bored me to tears, and I only saw Clones because, hey, Natalie Portman. I'll see the third one, too, for the sake of completion, but I know I'll feel like I've just munched a Big Mac and contributed to corporate whoreishness with little or no meaningful return. We are kind of held to ransom here, aren't we? We'll see these movies and buy these DVDs even though we know what we're letting ourselves in for, just because it's Star Wars. More than the crapness of the new films (and new versions) that's what really bugs me."

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Female Villian

    by Slugworth

    I've had a theory for several years that there will be a an evil Amidala clone -- who is slain by Obi Wan. Anikan sees the final blow, and not knowing she is not really Amidala, is filed with rage, turns to the drakside and fights Obi Wan. Remember the Amidala look-alike frm Ep. I?

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 10:42 a.m. CST

    The Jedi Purge

    by ZeusXerxes

    I don't know which of these parts mentions that there isn't going to be room for the Jedi Purge, but that thought really bothers me. The one thing that I was really hoping to see is how the Sith systematically take down the Jedi (who? how?). This would be a brilliant way to introduce new and possibly already seen bounty hunters again (unless it's totally a Sith ass-kicking). I don't know if I want to see an Ep. 3 that going to be an hour and a half long with a journey from Point A to Point B without any subplotting.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 10:43 a.m. CST

    I'm not buying this box set. Period.

    by minderbinder

    If he ever releases the original versions, I'm there in a heartbeat. Until that happens he doesn't get a penny of my money, I'll watch bootlegs instead.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Popstar Jedis???

    by ChickenGeorgeVII

    If there is a god in heaven - there will not be a competition between Superman and Star Wars....FOR THEY WILL BE THE SAME FILM!!!! AND THEY WILL BE DIRECTED BY THE ONE...THE ONLY....McG!!!!! ALL HAIL McG!!!!!! AND McG! WILL DO SOME OF THE BESTEST CASTING THE WHOLE WORLD WILL SEE!!!! ASSTON KETCHUP AS SUPERMAN!!!! BENOYCE KNOWLES AS LOIS LANE - UBER JEDI!!!! LOIS WILL FLY AROUND AND FIGHT WITH HER PEACH LIGHTSABER AS SHE KICKS THE ASS OF ALL THE SITH AND STILL WIN THE PULITZER FOR HER COVERAGE OF THE FASHION REVIEWS OF THE GOLDEN GLOBES!!!! AND THEN SHE WILL SING!! YESSSSS! SHE WILL SING ABOUT HER MAN - JAR JAR BINKS, AND HOW SHE LOVES HIM AND WANTS TO HOLD HIM AND SQUEEZE HIM AND HUG HIM ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!! AND THEN WE WILL SEE JAY-Z AS CHEWBACCA!!!! AND THE MEMBERS OF KORN AS THE JEDI COUNSEL!!!! WOOOO HOOO!!!! GOD DAMN - THIS IS CINEMATIC GOLD!!!! HOLLYWOOD WOULD E INSANE TO PASS THIS UP!!!! GET WITH IT, LUCAS!!!! CALL McG!!! GET HIM TO GUIDE YOUR FILM TO THE BEST IT WILL EVER BE!!!!! FOR HE IS THE ONE, THE ONLY, McG!!!!! ALL HAIL McG!!!!!!...And thus, I have spoken! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Here we go again

    by TimBenzedrine

    DATELINE-SKYWALKER RANCH 2007-Bazillionaire recluse George Lucas, two years after the release of the final installment of his Star Wars saga, Episode III: Look Out For Lava, has been struck by a stunning revelation. "It just occurred to me," Lucas was quoted saying,"that since these stories take place in another galaxy, there shouldn't be any human characters at all, therefore I have decided to take all six episodes and digitally remove all the humans and replace them with characters that won't seem so out of place alongside beloved icons like the impish Jar Jar Binks , the enigmatic Watto and the all knowing Dexter Jettster." According to an unamed but visibly shame-faced Lucasfilm employee , a japanese animation firm is currently tasked with redesigning the formerly human characters to give them a more universal appeal, much like the amazing Pokemon and Digimon characters that were once so popular with Mr. Lucas' children." Wait til you see them" gushed human suppository Rick McCallum, "If you liked Han Solo before, you're going to love him as a giant blue mollusk !" Says Lucas, "Needless to say, this makes all previous special editions, super deluxe editions, and superduper extraspecial editions obsolete, and when I'm through with this, all preexisting versions of my double trilogy will be seized and burned along with the original negatives, since I will have finally produced the ultimate filmed record of my masterwork as I had actually envisioned it over30 years ago." As one might suspect, this latest announcement from the infamous one trick pony has left the the fan world divided, although a certain webmaster has gone on record with the statement, "Oh this is fantastic news, for a minute there I thought I was going to have to actually get a life."

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Star Wars (original) Trilogy dvd's are all over eBay

    by Doom II

    And I bought a set. They look great. Obviously transferred from the laserdiscs, but who cares? They are digital, widescreen, very sharp and sound great. No screaming-bitch-falling Luke, firing Greedo or CGI-filled Mos Eisley streets. No goofy stepping on Jabba's tail either. The ONLY decent change in the Special Editions was the end of Jedi. I prefer the new version/music over the old. THAT'S IT. The rest is flash. The movies are way too busy now. Too much crap going on in every scene. I find it truly distracting from the movie. GEORGE LUCAS (working on the Special Editions, circa 1996)"Hey, there's an inch of screen that has nothing in it! Let's add a Ronto and 2 swoop bikes! I wonder what a herd of Bantha would look like? Add one here! Look at all that open desert around the Sandtroopers! Boooring! Put 2 Dewbacks in there and add a shuttle taking off." I can watch the originals on dvd a million times and they will still look great. In 10 years or so when dvd starts to die, I will load them into my hard drive,transfer them to the next "big thing" format and still have them in digital form . Lucas can try to bury the originals, but with the bootleg/laserdisc dvd's selling for $50-$80 a set all day & night on eBay, I expect every fan to eventually have BOTH versions on dvd if they want 'em.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 3:04 p.m. CST

    "We love our fans, but this is about art and film-making"

    by Yo Yo Man

    No it's not, it's about M-O-N-E-Y. Art??? I love movies, but this is stretching it. The Mona Lisa is a work of art. Blood on the Tracks is a work of art. The Godfather is a work of art. Star Wars is popcorn. It's damned entertaining popcorn, but nobody's about to confuse it with something of artistic merit. And Shrink... that wasn't Jaguart talking, he was quoting my earlier post (cheers, man). The point isn't that Lucas has "improved" the films (although I don't think he has - he's just got two sets of dodgy effects in competition with each other instead of consistency), the point is that he's denying us the originals. If he'd merely put the trilogy through some extensive photoshop work, fair enough, he's the boss, as long as both versions are available. But they're not. I suspect one of two reasons: one, he's afraid that sales of the original versions would overwhelm and surpass sales of the "special editions" thus proving that he doesn't know what he's doing; or two, he lost the original prints in a gambling/fishing/cooking accident and is too afraid to tell anyone. The added effects may have been on the cards when he filmed Star Wars in the '70s, but just because it was planned doesn't mean it would have worked. Bad dialogue was also planned, and made it in, and that didn't work. Lucas is not the supreme being, he's not infallible, and he's not an artist. He's just a film-maker who really needs to find some new stories to tell.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 6:51 p.m. CST

    by Sgt. Blueberry

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 6:59 p.m. CST

    "The original 77 SW has some piss poor effects, I'm sorry, but i

    by minderbinder

    Hell, the special editions left in some of the worst FX unfixed and added some NEW piss poor FX of their own (and does anyone think that Lucas won't go back in a few years and update things AGAIN?). Even Clones and Phantom Menace have some FX that are just embarassing. FX look dated after a while, it's not the end of the world, learn to appreciate films for what they are. And "but it has to match the prequels" is a lousy excuse. I guess you forget that many of us never plan on watching the prequels again and don't give a rats ass if the OT match?

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:08 p.m. CST

    minderbender...

    by MisterGrimloch

    thats the spirit. stand up for what you believe in. boycott these DVD's because you, the consumer, have a right to voice your displeasure through the tightnening of your purse strings. i say bravo, to you, and your valiant stance against this decision that Lucas has made. you and the other 3 people in the world who will not buy these sets due to the "attrocious" alterations and dismissal of film history, are to be applauded for your bravery in deciding, with pride and courage, to stand firm against the winds of change and hold your head up high, and shout in a bold and mighty voice "I am a complete asshole!"

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Haven't you dumb ass fanboys realized that Lucas does not like y

    by Dolemite_fan

    Why else would he not release the films the way you all want them? Because he hates you, and he's directed these last three (yeah, three) so badly that way maybe you fanboys will leave him alone. And like someone previously pointed out: why do we continually see Lucas talk about effects, but zilch on actual characters? It's because he is a toymaker; a guy afraid of actual human confrontation. More to the point: Lucas after thirty years is still not comfortable with himself as a director, hence he continues to go back and change shit around. A real director would not do this, but again, Lucas isn't a real director. Now I will quote David Thomson: "The film (Episode 1) was another massive, but there was a new mood--people hadn't enjoyed this picture. Those always averse to the STAR WARS legend began to feel vindicated. EPISODE 2 was Lucas again, with a love story--but there was more passion felt for the clones and the computer. One day, for sure, all six episodes will exist--and maybe robots will watch them." Think about it guys and gals and Moriarty....

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:15 p.m. CST

    The REAL reason fans disown Star Wars...

    by Sgt. Blueberry

    It's not the visual changes, not the release of "cash in" box sets, it's not the "lame" prequels, and it's not lucas losing his touch/not appreciating the fans. You guys have grown up, and Star Wars doesn't capture your imagination anymore. Obviously many people still have strong memories of the original trilogy, which is why so many people talk back on this particular topic, but really. You're older, you work a job, you have girlfriends, and 'a long time ago in a galaxy far far away' doesn't cut it for you anymore. Which- is fine. I completely agree with another poster, shrink. The special Editions ARE the original trilogy. I mean, really. What did they change? They cleaned up some old special effects, added a new illusion or two, and greedo shoots first. Bah. Even though I do believe movies are time capsules, and they should be left finished (flaws and all) to represent the state of the art at the time - Nostalgic reasons aside, the Special Editions are improvements. Remember way back when you first discovered Star Wars, you loved it so, and couldn't understand why your parents were narrow-minded, couldn't enjoy these out-of-this world fantasy flicks, and didn't care for it? Well look at yourselves. You're grown up, and you've become your parents.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Orion'sAngel...

    by MisterGrimloch

    once again, i am finding myself in complete agreement with you. how is this possible? frankly, its scaring me. i think i preferred when the talkbacks between us read as follows OA: "LOTR rules, and TTT was brilliant!" MG: "LOTR nerds are all alike, and TTT utterly sucked!" sadly, it seems those days are gone. i too will happily buy the DVD trilogy, and let the Greedo scene, and Luke's scream pass by without losing the contents of my bladder. for one thing, i STILL feel that EVENTUALLY, there will be an official release of the originals. probably in 2007, along with the Archive Editions (whatever those turn out to be). something tells me it will happen. i could be wrong, but it feels right for it to happen. meanwhile, i'm looking forward to 9/21.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Who are these people again....any why not see Yoda loose to the

    by iamarayya

    And lets face it, the ONLY thing people have not put down of the last 2 films are the fights and Yoda's is the most memerable...

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:26 p.m. CST

    On A Serious Note...

    by LucienPierce

    George Lucas OWNS Star Wars, he can bloody well do what he likes with it. Personally I prefer the enhanced SPECIAL EDITIONS, they're cleaner and I enjoy the enhancements, making it that much more interesting to the eye. It's the same movies, just prettier. As a film maker myself I understand exactly how George Lucas feels. When I watch my older films now I realize there was so much I could've done and would like to do to make them better. Because they are my films I don't expect to have anyone's permission to do so, and I don't expect to have to give it to Lucas for him to release the special editions. They're gonna come out, be happy they're on DVD. If you want to watch the old versions then enjoy it on the old format of VHS cause that's where they'll stay...On another note I'm so tired of hearing complaints about CGI, does anyone actually remember what Special Effects USED to look like before CGI came along. Everyone is constantly complaining about how CG things look but compared to the old school stuff it's so much better, so much more realistic and it allows the film makers to do things that were once very impossible. Stop complaining, it's evolving it'll get better. I don't think many people even understand how much CGI is being used in films today that you DON'T EVEN NOTICE. The world is turning, things are changing. Accept it.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:39 p.m. CST

    That's the best kind of CGI...

    by Dolemite_fan

    when you cannot even tell it's there. The worse kind is when you're a director and you decide to CGI a lady eating a piece of food, which was in EPISODE 2. If Lucas ever releases the "original" cuts, he should just jack the price up. Ah well, I'll be fine with my laserdisc ripped copies in 5.1 sound.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Thanks, OrionsAngel!

    by Sgt. Blueberry

    I gotta agree with your well put arguments, as well. On one other related note, I'd like to comment on this whole "cash-in" thing, since I see it on every single message board that's related to arts and entertainment. (entertainment related message boards are especially chock full of nonsense). Newsflash, it's all a cash in. Everything is. Cashing in is a given. You sound like friggen' troglodytes, here. Cashing in is simply a matter of fact in the adult world, where money means something, and isn't demonized. Not to say that some companies don't milk things absolutely dry to the point of embarrasment, becuase it happens, and a sad sight it is. But to sceam cash-in and spell Lucasfilm "Luca$Film" shows a lack of worldy knowledge, and makes any follow-up argument - as valid as it may be - difficult to swallow.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Orion...

    by MisterGrimloch

    i never said i didn't like the LOTR trilogy. i just don't "love" it. first film? loved it. second and third? pending.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 7:57 p.m. CST

    George Lucas's Problem...

    by LucienPierce

    ...is that he isn't the best director. I don't think he'd even argue that. Visually I think he is a master, but he often lets his actors float around aimlessly. I agree that the food eating thing in EP2 was done really badly, especially compared to the rest of the exquisite stuff but the biggest problem with that scene and the scene in the fields was the direction rather than the SFX. The fact that the scenes were staged badly, and in the end served no real purpose made the SFX even worse. They should've just been cut. Anakin riding the cow-thing? What was he thinking? But then the majority of the film I really enjoyed. Maybe in 10 years time he'll re-visit the food scene and fix it up...but then there'll be an outcry about he he is fooling around with the original films and how they won't buy it cause it ain't the original. Right?

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 8:06 p.m. CST

    harrison ford in mexico?

    by jackburtonlives

    anyone have the link? thx

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 8:13 p.m. CST

    I Will NOT Be Buying the DVD's.

    by CHEWBLACCA

    Not first hand anyway. I'll pick up a used copy at the record store I work for...maybe. George won't get MY cash. Not for one lousy disc of extras. I was pretty disapointed in the INDY extras. Hell, I knew ALL that shit already. And this looks like the same fucking deal. Maybe he'll prove me wrong(probably not).

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Things to think about...

    by MisterBlonde

    Come on everybody. Stop worrying. As soon as Lucas dies, you'll have your original editions. Has nobody thought of this? Hell, they'll probably use his death as marketing for the special "Memorial Editions" of the original trilogy. And to repeat everyone, the only two things that were lame about the Special Editions was the Greedo thing and the the scream, which I really wasn't even bothered too much by. Everything else, while maybe a little "cut and pasted" feeling, fit nicely and were a good improvemnt. The thing that I've always thought, and others agree to when I point out, is that you're not ever going to be pleased because Lucas doesn't care. Good for him. They ARE his movies, after all. If you watch interviews or see the special features on the I and II DVD's, the guy genuinely sounds like, well, kind of a douchebag. A lot of people didn't like Jake Lloyd. There's a feature on the Episode I DVD that I hold as my favorite. It's a very long documentary that chronicles the making of Ep. I from start to finish. It features the last interviews with the top 3 contenders for young Anakin. The one kid is really shy and has no business being there, then there's Jake, but then there's the other kid, who looks like a 10 year old future Jedi. That's probably the only one complaint I genuinely have with any of the Star Warses. That third kid, man. I don't know what they were thinking. Hell, the documentary actually shows Jake fucking up his lines, with the other kid delivering beautifully. As for Indy, I have this great image in my head that makes me laugh. I can totally picture Spielberg finding out that he's gotta be with Lucas again, and sighing. "Really? There's no way out. *sigh* Son of a bitch..." I see Lucas as that really annoying guy Steve has to deal with. You know it's true, too, especially after Spielberg recently loved an Indy 4 draft, and Lucas turned it down. Then there's the battle over film versus digital photography. Can you even imagine an earthy, dusty, Indy movie done digital? It'll feel weird....I feel for you Steve. I really do. Oh, and why'd everyone buy the Indy trilogy? I'm waiting for my box of four.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Re: the duels have always been good? That lightsaber duel with A

    by StoneMonkey

    Hope they salvage more of that fight scene for the 'Ultimate Edition' of the SW series, but we'll be in Depends and wheelchairs by then.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by rocksalt8721

    SW is just a cheap ripoff of The Hidden Fortress anyway.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 10:58 p.m. CST

    What? You fellas don't get it...

    by Robofag

    At the end of "Star Wars Episode 3: A Jedi's Destiny" everyone will realize that the issue of both the original and prequel trilogies is, at the end of the line, Jar Jar Binks. For you see Jar Jar will actually survive the last film of the prequel trilogy, and make its way troughout the Star Wars timeline, all the way to the Empire Strikes Back, where he makes a stealthy cameo among the swampy planet of Dagobah (yes! you can actually see him yelling like a chimp behind a big tree). Now this is major spoilers, but Lucas WILL add CGI scenes in the OT SW DVD featuring Jar Jar playing a shadowy political role in both the premises and the outcome the fall of the Galactic Empire, which means that -YES- he WILL intervene in the dialogue between Luke and Vader in Endor, YES he will be the one who's gonna definitely kill Jabba in his sail barge in Tattoine (yes, Leia strangled him, but he faked his death, and Jar Jar appears from nowhere to... mutilate him with a BLACK lightsaber! But don't ask me how he manages to escape from the exploding barge...) and YES, there's gonna be an extended END to Return of Jedi, a scene of about 5 minutes, were, right after the celebration on Endor and all across the Galaxy, we see legions of evil dwarves led by Jar Jar Binks himself ("Space Commander Binks" as he gonna be called) coming out from the Outer Rim to destroy everything from Coruscant to Bespin to the entire Rebel alliance, and, after blasting the Millenium Falcon with Han, Leia, Chewie and the droids caught inside, kill Skywalker with black lightsabers (which are more POWERFUL than ordinary lightsabers). We learn at the end that Jar Jar have been a spy and political manipulator who's been acting in secrecy, using the idiotic image of himself to dupe everybody, even the Jedis and Siths.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 11:02 p.m. CST

    "amidala is pregnant by annakin--we don't get to see the footage

    by keyserSOZE

    well it's not a porno, man!

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 11:06 p.m. CST

    deja vu

    by ZeusXerxes

    another day....same ol' bullshit

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Taking orders for the Old Trilogy on DVD...

    by Zardoz

    That's right! I was waiting for Lucas to piss everyone off and deny putting the old trilogy on DVD, so I guess I'll have to do it for him! Here's the deal: if you want a copy, do NOT send me an email requesting it. Instead, leave a post on this site titled "OTDVD Order" with YOUR email and I'll contact you. As to price, how does $75 for the complete set sound? These will be dubbed from the OT LD's and will probably be on 3-6 discs, altogether.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 11:25 p.m. CST

    It really is a great strategy...

    by URBNNS

    I sent this speech in an email to my good friend at thedigitalbits.com, so I will share it with all of you. When you think of it, it really is a great sales strategy. Lucas will release the 1997 SE's on 9/21/04. Then, say in late 2005 after Ep3 has been seen by all, he will release his "Ultimate Editions" with all new upgrades and added scenes. Then, he will (at some point) release the original theatrical versions (has to happen sometime). Guess what, he just sold the same trilogy of movies three times to hundreds of thousands of people!! What a marketing genius!! Now that's the kind of Capitalism this country was built on!!

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Knock it off, Donnie Darko

    by I Dunno

    I'm so sick of seeing that bullshit list.

  • Feb. 11, 2004, 11:27 p.m. CST

    SIGN THE PETITION

    by Soundofred

    FOR THOSE WHO MISSED IT http://www.originaltrilogy.com/ SIGN IT!

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Wow

    by Snow Is Fun

    I didn't realize that adding some improved special effects and scenes to a movie could piss people off so much. Fine, so you don't like it. Great. But any of you talkbackers who say you refuse to buy the special edition DVDs are full of crap. Every last one of you will buy the trilogy the day it comes out. You will love it, but will do nothing but bitch about on the message boards. "Oh, man, I so hate how now it looks like the ships are actually flying through space! How stupid!" How can you guys consider yourselves movie fans when you don't seem to like any movies?

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 1:01 a.m. CST

    I'm not gonna buy this new dvd set, but only because....

    by Bourne GreyElf

    ....I know that Lucas will release all 6 movies in one box set. I REFUSE to buy the prequel trilogy seperately, at 25 bucks each, and then buy the OT Special edition box set, and THEN buy the big six pack. not happening. I will patiently wait for the 6 pack. oh yeah, I don't care for the OT, I like the speacial editions, EXCEPT the alien music band in jabbas palace. anyway, the next dvd I'll buy is ROTK EE.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 1:02 a.m. CST

    I love all you guys who tell me what will I do.

    by stackpointer

    Why is it so hard to believe that I won't buy this DVD set? I'm Jack's total lack of interest. I like the original versions better. End of story. And those improved effects look like shit. Before 97 noone seen the matting lines around the ships. And did I grow up. Yeah, but I bought Indy DVDs the moment it came out. So everyone who likes the new versions better should be happy and shut the fuck up.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Here is what EVERYONE seems to NOT REALIZE...including you HARRY

    by Eugene O

    Those of us who have grown up on the original trilogy think of them in this viewing order: 3-4-5-1-2-3...and so we are seeing the movies slowly REVEALING all this unknown story info. BUT...once the 2nd trilogy is done (with the release of #3)...FUTURE GENERATION AND/OR NEW VIEWERS ARE SUPPOSED TO WATCH THEM AS CHAPTERS OF A MOVIE SERIAL IN NUMERICAL ORDER!!!! That's George's big plan...it always has been since he decided to actually make more than just the first three flicks. So, rightly or wrongly (and it's really a moot point since there IS only one way to do it and adhere to Georgie's vision), films 3,4 & 5 (STAR WARS, EMPIRE, & JEDI) need to be spruced up to add information that NEEDS TO BE THERE to make the story richer since the "movie experience" is no longer about wondering what happened in the past to make Vader evil, etc...! You will watch the films in numerical order and they will just tell the tale chronologically. Personally I don't really give a rat's ass what George does-- but the idea of actually viewing the films in numerical order is kinda cool. If you can keep an open mind it will be a very neat viewing experience.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Just Shut The Fuck Up You Whiny Bitches

    by vash666

    Oh weep and cry, boo hoo, Lucas raped my childhood. Raped your childhood? Sounds like most of you jack-offs finger-banged yourselves long before Lucas ever got to you. Fuck. Why even discuss these films if they are so beneath you, clowns? All three SE version respectively had a whopping 6 minutes of added footage apiece. Whoa! What radical alterations. I can barely recognize them anymore. Give me a fucking brake. Almost every change, with the exception of the Greedo shootout, improved these films. The alteration of the Ewok music in Jedi, along with the shots of celebration from various planets, was beautifully implemented and far superior to the original. The Jabba shot in A New Hope established continuity and the re-imagining of Mos Eisley was right on the ball. Deal with it. I was there for the release of all three films in the theatres when they were originally released and I except the SE as the definitive versions. If you can't respect Lucas and his right to alter HIS work as he sees fit, go suck on some other director's stick and leave SW far behind. You fuckers think that you have some entitlement to these films, as if Lucas exists to only give you what you want. It's a free country and the man is free to do as he pleases and you are free to boycott, whine, and generally act like a bunch of dipshits when you don't get your way. Just don't call yourself SW fans and don't flood message boards with this elitist bullshit about the OT being the best, the SE being crap, etc. It's fucking weak, tired and cliche'. A fan doesn't walk into a film waiting to be letdown or filled with expectations as to what the film should be in HIS mind. A fan sits back and lets the artist do their work. I love the new films because, rather than sit around complaining about the superior SW film I could make, I appreciate what Lucas gives me and because I respect him I respect his vision. EP 1 was kiddy in some ways but it also had some of the coolest fucking scenes of any film I have ever seen. And Clones is easily as good as any of the Original films, sappy love story or not. Clones is pure texbook SW and if you don't know that, you don't know shit. Also, if you think Lucas is such a bastard for not making the OT available on DVD, I suggest you go and look for the original theatrical version of Blade Runner. It no longer exists. How about Alien? With the new Dir. Cut, the original is bound to go away. How about the Excorcist? Lucas isn't an asshole, he's an artist and his contributions to cinema are second to none. You poser wind bags need to get a fucking clue.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Wow, I1m always relieved when I read posts like this one above

    by stackpointer

    I know that some intelligent people are out there and that our world is in good hands.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 2:54 a.m. CST

    wolf at the door...

    by MisterBlonde

    Shit. Good point. Why do we need more Indys again anyway? Really...that's a good trilogy. Also, when I posted that, I had totally forgotten about Steve going and "fixing" E.T., which also, by the way, isn't available in its original form. Star Wars? What's Star Wars? I WANT MY ORIGINAL E.T.!!! I love Minority Report though.....

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 2:55 a.m. CST

    wolf at the door...

    by MisterBlonde

    Shit. Good point. Why do we need more Indys again anyway? Really...that's a good trilogy. Also, when I posted that, I had totally forgotten about Steve going and "fixing" E.T., which also, by the way, isn't available in its original form. Star Wars? What's Star Wars? I WANT MY ORIGINAL E.T.!!! I love Minority Report though.....

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 2:56 a.m. CST

    oops...sorry bout the double everyone...I've become everyone I h

    by MisterBlonde

  • isn't it going to be bizarre to see the making of star wars, watching talented people build intricate models of awesome tie fighters, x wings, etc. and then NOT see those models in the movies? the people who really suffer from lucas' decision are the people who did all the brilliant, truly inventive(for their time, of course) effects for the original trilogy. the best work of their careers(many of them), and it's virtually erased. ------ "grandpa! you worked on star wars?!" "yes i did sonny, i was lead model builder. let me pop in this vhs and show you my work..." "what's vhs grandpa? i'm scared!" "oh shit, the damn tape broke... curse you lucas!" ------ maybe the making of material will disregard many of the people who made star wars what it WAS, and instead concentrate on the people who made it what it has become(a bunch of guys in front of computers). granted, this is only one aspect of the films, but a huge one.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 5:41 a.m. CST

    Give it up geeks...star was is over.

    by Rupee88

    You guys are so pitiful and pathetic holding onto this franchise so desperate. The last film was shit and the next one probably will be too.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 5:42 a.m. CST

    I will get the DVDs from Netflix and copy them..

    by Rupee88

    Screw Lucas. If he released the first film in its original form on DVD, I would buy it. But if he doesn't, then fuck him.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Film history is IMPORTANT - PRESERVE IT!!!

    by valvehead

    If I hear one more person taking the piss out of the fans who want the original on DVD and are rightfully cross with Luca$ I'm going to have some radiation 'therapy', turn green and hunt you mothers down ;-) Seriously people, I think we all need to calm down, take some qualudes and chill! This is a world full of different people with different tastes/ages etc. As a 30 year old I want the originals on DVD as this is the way I remember seeing them at the cinema, so yes part of it IS nostalgia. However I also happen to think they're superior as far as the editing goes (check out the screwed up pacing of the new scenes of Vader and the Shuttle at the end of Empire - the music keeps chopping & changing and completely fucks up the pacing of that sequence!). I DO NOT have any axe to grind with those who think the origianls suck, and who love the SE's. There's a place for both of them... or there would be if Luca$ would stop fucking about and release both versions to satisfy not just the hardcore fans, but to save for prosperity the films in their original form, which - lets face it - where around for 20 years before he decided the technology was right to redo some of the scenes. Another thing, if he meant to TRULY fix them, why all the white-stick jumpy lightsabres still there which - lets face it - will be even more obvious on these SE DVD's?!? The Special Editions are UNEVEN!!! The originals were uneven due to time/money contraints. If Lucas wants to fix them, then FIX THEM!!! Why spend ALL that time (and MONEY!) redoing the Greedo scene, or putting some stupid droid buzzing about the streets of tatooine, when he could have FIXED the sabre effect, got rid of ALL the matt lines and dust/scratches which are still there?!? Bonkers! Speilberg released ET in both versions, and he had the balls to not redo any shots in the Raiders DVD set (other than clean it up a bit). Lucas is actually doign himself out of some Lucas-$$$ here! If they released BOTH versions as boxed sets, I'm sure many would buy both! All he needs to do is use the LD master tapes, clean those up using Lowry, inculde the trailers and documentarys. Maybe include the original mono AND 70mm surround soundtracks - Sweeeeet! But noooo.... he's waited until there's 50,000 signatures on Original trilogy.com, and now he says no! ****!!!! Sorry Lucas, but we WERE the ones who lined your pockets throughout the late 70's, early 80's, who kept the trilogy going, who gave you the Lucas-$ to make your new films. Is it too much to ask to have the originals? Just my two-$ worth chaps/chapettes!!!

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 6:10 a.m. CST

    by valvehead

    vash666 you are WRONG!!! the original version of Blade Runner was the fucked about with STUDIO version of the film. The Director's Cut was just that! More to the point, no little CGI 'enhancements' in this version yeah? Even moreee to the point is that no one I know of prefers the original to the Director's Cut!! There is no divide here unlike SE Star Wars versus the original. Wrong again mate! The original Excorcist AND Alien are both available on DVD!! So what's your point here? There are many who want both versions of the film - what the fuck is wrong with that?!?

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Darth Bono, I disagree

    by Yo Yo Man

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Darth Bono, I disagree

    by Yo Yo Man

    . . . I mean, don't get me wrong, I can count, as I'm sure the rest of us can - maybe even Harry. But let's face it, Lucas has no grand plan. He's making it up as he goes along. The prequels are, as William Goldman put it, whores' movies. Their reason for being is not to tell the rest of the story, it's to make shitloads of money. If he envisioned a complete chronological series, why did he structure it so badly? I'm sorry, I just don't believe Lucas came up with some huge, intricate vision thirty years ago and is still bringing it to the screen. If he is, well, that's kind of a waste of time.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Yo Yo Man...I agree with you (sort of)

    by Eugene O

    Oh I realize that Georgie has no MASTER plan...that's obvious from the crappy holes in the story that he is always scrambling to plug up, BUT: he DID have a plan that the films (originally nine) were to eventually be seen in numerical order. I believe that he has a VERY ROUGH nine episode outline (he even mentioned that YEARS ago and even talked about how the second trilogy would be more talking than action, more intrigue than fighting...and also that there was a possible third trilogy- before he actually did the math and realized HOW FREAKING LONG it would take to make them all and HOW OLD HE WOULD BE!!). And I also believe that once he started making the SECOND trilogy that he realized that he needed to (or more precisely, WANT TO) tweak the originals. But from past interviews, especially during the early excitement over the first trilogy, he wanted all the films, however many he made, to be viewed as serial chapters.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Jeez get over it you sad muthers!! The SE's are like 5% differen

    by mikeyj83

    I agree with vash666 - I was starting to wonder why I bother reading all your pathetic comments - til I read vash666 talkback!I agree entirely. If you don't like it move on! And Moriarty I'm not complaining - enjoy your Jedi Councils but man you are so behind other sites with this stuff and from what I can tell - inaccurate!! Just don't leave is so long next time.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 8:31 a.m. CST

    "Wizard of Oz and those sinbad movies don't because they're not

    by minderbinder

    So I'm not a fan of revisionist "oops, I fucked up" do-over filmmaking. I don't respect filmmakers who are insecure and get FX envy. I don't plan to spend my money on something that I think is crap. If you think that makes me an asshole, you've got a pretty fucked outlook.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 8:37 a.m. CST

    "You will watch the films in numerical order" Yet more proof th

    by minderbinder

    If you watch them in order, it wrecks a couple of the best scenes in the OT, specifically "I am your father". If my kids someday insist on watching the prequels, it will be after they've seen the OT. But at that point I expect the PT will be mostly forgotten.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Vash, you rule!

    by Shawn F.

    Thank you for being the voice of reason. Jesus people, they're only movies, not vital organs. And for all of your whining, you bitchalots, it will be moot come the morning of September 21st when every one of you will go out and buy them. And I thought Star Trek fans were bad. Star Wars fans take the fucking cake.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 10:23 a.m. CST

    vash666....

    by Bourne GreyElf

    ...sounds like an angry mareketing man hired by george lucas to vent lucas' frustration on the fanbase. anyway, what we should be complaining about, is that animation of a naked Harry with angel wings shooting heart shaped arrows....urrrgggg......

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 10:33 a.m. CST

    oh, and greivus looks fucking retarded.

    by Bourne GreyElf

    get the fucking witchking in there.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 11:18 a.m. CST

    "shut the fuck up you whiny bitches"...

    by MisterGrimloch

    that is a fantastic way to break into a TB. kudos, vash. it had my laughing my nuts off. oh, and ebonic plague, why are you questioning my allegiance to SW? i just don't think to rob yourself of having the trilogy on DVD because of a few questionable alterations is worth it. let me ask you, or anyone, to honestly point out which changes, other than the Greedo, Jabba, and Luke screaming bits, actually bother you? really. other than the obvious bits of Greedo shooting first, the questionable CGI Jabba scene, and Luke screaming, which changes were inferior? ok, i'll even grant you that turning Mos Eisley into a more bustling city may not be preferable. but now i'm reaching, because we are talking literally seconds worth of material here. i do understand, and appreciate the desire to own the very original film that first captured your imagination, yes. but i personally do not think it would be worth it to avoid these films entirely, based upon mere minutes worth of changes that ultimately alter very little. yes, both versions should be made available, but since that isnt happening, i'm not ashamed to own only the versions being offered. obviously, you feel differently, and thats fine.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Al I want to know is...

    by Rapmaster C

    what is Mace Windu's role in the film. I wanted him to lay the smackdown on Dooku. As for the Original trilogy, why not accept it instead of complaining? There is nothing anyone can do. The sooner people learn that, the better (even the boycott won't work, as if its even a reasonable idea).

  • How fucking pathetic. He damned near single-handedly revived science fiction in film, which had been failing following Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972). I don't know if CE3K would have revived SF in film, since it just didn't deliver any real payoff--just being a fascinating but ultimately fluff SF concept film with no point to it. Who can say if Paramount would have greenlighted the Star Trek films if Star Wars hadn't proved eminently bankable? And Lucas is ashamed of them? Well...FUCK HIM!

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 12:54 p.m. CST

    BOYCOTT STAR WARS SE DVD!!!!!!!!

    by austintexan

    We should all boycott the star wars special edition dvds! They were all a piece of crap and destroyed the star wars universe. Greedo shooting first, enough said!

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 1:13 p.m. CST

    greedo shooting first and Ep IV Jabba sucks and PLEASE BOYCOTT S

    by austintexan

    I read a talkback that said who cares about greedo shooting first. Well, it destroyed the mystique of Han Solo! It destroyed the pirate! By Han shooting first (originally) he showed he was one bad mfer that shouldn't be taken lightly. By greedo shooting first it showed Han to be weak, and only fired when fired upon. That's hosed! Han was a pirate, he was not Uncle Owen. Lucas should've never touched the originals. A master never retouches his masterpiece. Star Wars was a head of its time and sure some special effects were not clean but it was the best out there and we all were in awe when they first came out and still were in awe until the 90's, yes the 90's when special effect elsewhere caught up. To retouch it, now there's better technology, is like adding color to black and white movies. Finally, I know Jabba the Hutt was shot originally but edited out, but the Jabba in 1997 was totally hosed. I could come up with a better Jabba. He looked like he was drawn on a Commodore 64! Video games looked better than that Jabba! 1997 Jabba sucks! PLEASE BOYCOTT STARWARS SE DVD!

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Wont buy it, just got my cousin not to

    by Fernwick_

    buy it. So NOONE ELSE BUY IT EITHER!!! Bastards!!! Frank

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Don't worry...

    by LitCrit621

    Hey! I hear they're talking about releasing a special edition version of Casablanca, where at the end, Renault decides to betray everyone and shoots Rick and Ilsa in the head. But don't worry, it only adds a whopping 30 seconds of added footage.

  • Oh man... After all I think the mediocrity and lameness of the prequel trilogy is a good thing after all; it freed most Star Wars fans from a cult that had taken frightening proportions over the years until may 1999... but just as when any kind faith is in trouble (as history testifies), there's always a bunch of sickos religious fanatics who gather in closed circles of demented dogmas and rituals (read: TheForce.net and AICN's Jedi Council, of course). The Lord of the Rings films succeeded where the prequel SW films failed pathetically, and the main cause is that no one in Hollywood is able to carry a fantasy epic without falling into near-scatological humour, sitcom level of dialogue and "CGI above everything else" cinematography. I also forgot the underwhelming action scenes and puritan-like censorship. And now the most radical devotees of Star Wars, after seeing their new flagship crash just like Vader's flagship crashed into the Death Star, have disconnected from reality and hidden into hermetic enclaves, dreaming of a world were Lucas is still the Lucas that made the original trilogy... but hey kids, sorry to hurt your feelings, but the George Lucas of today is just a fat idiot that likes to play with his little editing toys and CGI processing little friends inside high-security studios! Wake up and have a strong, black coffee!

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 3:42 p.m. CST

    HAN SHOT FIRST!!!!!

    by malfuncsean

    Everyone who is as pissed as I am should go buy this shirt! -Sean http://www.horrorshirts.com/HANSHOT.htm

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Lucas has become the President Bush of the Entertainment Industr

    by cooper2000

    Doesnt listen to anyone. Just does what he wants. Take your fuckin DVDs Lucas. Didnt we help make him what he is? Now he makes horrible movies with lots of things to look at but are empty to the core. They should have Kasdan write the scripts again for the Star Wars movies.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 4:25 p.m. CST

    to vash666

    by URBNNS

    Your language is not needed in a forum like this. Do you have no respect for the rules of posting here? Clean up your act or go away for good!

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 7:07 p.m. CST

    You're right, Darth Bono...

    by Yo Yo Man

    Lucas did have a nine-movie plan. I just don't believe he spent all those years honing it. I think the original trilogy stood on its own as a good bunch of films, and my favourite thing about the other six was... the first three, we knew what happened, but it was up to us to fill in the details, and the second three, anyone's fucking guess. I liked the fact that we saw the second act of a gigantic unfinished story, and I think that after twenty years, nothing Lucas could put on screen would rival the fans' imaginings. Therefore the prequels shouldn't have been made: they could never live up to the promise, and they were ultimately unnecessary. I think they WERE made simply because Lucas fancied another couple of private jets and a bigger house. Basically, for the money, and to keep him busy. "Artists" who are passionate about their "art" are usually more careful with their work. So much about the prequels is just blatant lack of passion and enthusiasm, it's embarrassing. Lucas is the only one who cares about the story. The actors just get a crap script with no characters. No serious actor is going to get excited about playing opposite a tennis ball on a stick, in a story about ham-fisted politics and daft space battles, and there's no decent dialogue to cut into. The whole love story in Clones is doomed because no actor in the world can emote with lines like "If you follow your thoughts to their logical conclusion it will lead us to a place we cannot go". Where was I? Oh yeah, a question for you, Darth... when Lucas said the "second trilogy" did he mean Episodes IV-VI or I-III? Just wondering. But mostly I want to know why that little animated Cupid Harry keeps his arrows up his ass. Pity the poor bastard who gets shot with them.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 7:27 p.m. CST

    NEW RULE: vash666, that was beautiful!

    by Bill Maher

    I wish Lucas would go up ton of these fanboy jackoffs and say: "So, I raped your childhood?" and the 300# virgin with b.o. says "Yeah, I got a newspaper route when I was 14 just to buy the "asteroid-damaged TIE fighter! Shit, I spent $5,000 on Star Wars merchandise and spent so much time whacking off in my C-3PO sleeping bag that I am pushing 40 and still haven't kissed a girl." At this point, Lucas would pull out his check book and say "Here's six grand, now fuck off!". Then shoots the worthless piece of shit in the fucking head with a broomhandle Mauser.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 8:40 p.m. CST

    "but the idea of actually viewing the films in numerical order i

    by IAmLegolas

    Not really. The cool thing about watching 3,4,5 first is you are discovering everything as Luke does, as well as the world around him. It will be no surprise and redundnat information if you watch 1,2 & 3 first. EXAMPLES: >>> Yoda : "No, there is another." Now instead of being all "I wonder who he means?" it's "Duh, it's Leia, big surprise there!" >>>> Darth Vader : "Luke, I am your father." = "No kidding, that was established already in Episode 3" >>> The whole first meeting with Ben will have no mystery at all! You know all of the answers to all the questions!. See what I mean? And that's why the prequels are such a bore, we know where the storyline is heading, and it's not that interesting getting there, IMHO. Episode 3 will probably be the most popular of the 3 just for the fact that it ties in the most with the Original Trilogy. YOU KNOW I"M RIGHT !!!

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Ooops, I meant "4,5,6" not "3,4,5"

    by IAmLegolas

    You still know what I mean.

  • Feb. 12, 2004, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Right on.

    by El_Duderino

    Damn vash....took the words right out of my mouth. WELL SAID!!!! I feel much better that there's at least one or two of us still hasn't lost his friggin' mind out there in fanboy land. Take some of that action figure money and go buy a girl for a night or two. It's time to grow up.

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 2:17 a.m. CST

    opposites

    by baverette2000

    After much pondering, I watched all the movies time and again. I think one of the main reasons many fans are not able to connect to EP I & II has a lot to do with perception. EP 4 5 & 6 all were made with very humble budget in comparison to the prequels. Due to this fact, nearly all the sets had more of a small cozy feel to it where it almost was if you were standing beside the cast (with the exception of the battles). However the prequels, even when they are indoors, there is an abundance of space and a detachment to the characters (Scenes involving space vehicles not included). It seems like the scene shots in Italy have that feel especially the shots representing Naboo. Ask yourself why the saber fights were always one of the positive aspects of the prequels? It

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Of course you didn't, Orion'sA, that was someone else, pay atten

    by minderbinder

    And I'm not bitching about the prequels, just the lame idea that the original movies should be fucked with and dragged down to their level. Hell, why not just composite Sofia Coppola into Godfather 1 and 2, you know? Just because "it has to match". Also, I don't get this whole "they're his movies, he can do what he wants" thing. So I guess people who say that would be OK if the only cut of the movie he released was one that had all lightsaber battles replaced with footage of him taking a dump? Why not? They're his movies, he can do what he wants!!!

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Circle Jerk! Circle Jerk!

    by Bong

    The exciting adventure after the jedi council!

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 4:29 p.m. CST

    ebonic plague, you stupid fuck...

    by MisterGrimloch

    lmfao. just kidding. yes, i know, i've sorta become the "kinder-gentler" Grim these days. and it would seem that it goes over even worse than the "original" Grim. sorta like the SE's compared to the originals, eh? anyway, i certainly understand your dissatisfaction with the fact that the originals are apparently being discarded, for now at least. but, for me, since the originals are not going to be released, i personally am satisfied to own the SE's. if you do indeed choose to not purchase these versions, then that is the correct way to voice your displeasure. i believe that at some point in time the original versions will be available to us in official releases from Fox and Lucasfilm. its odd, because by feeling this way, i have wound up agreeing with both you and Orion's Angel. yes, this bothers me, but thats just the way things work out. hopefully, when PJ chooses to do the Hobbit, we can get back to the talkbacks of me bitching incessantly about how overrated the film is and how Jackson is a hack, etc... and you and OA can label me as a pathetic troll. (sigh), yes, i do miss the old days.

  • Feb. 13, 2004, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Long time reader, first time poster

    by CertifiedTHX

    I've followed the boards on AICN for a long time, and have greatly enjoyed the exchanges. Often have I scrolled through the entire list of talkbacks on a given article and laughed my ass off at the banter. Particularly how George Lucas edits, re-edits, re-edits the re-edits, and re-edits the re-edits of the re-edits. Great stuff. :-) So I figured I would finally add my own ideas to the mix. Maybe these aren't so much MY ideas, actually, as just ones I've seen expressed many times before, and have agreed with. First issue: A lot of you feel that Lucas is screwing up Episodes IV, V and VI by adding the new visual enhancements and altering scenes that were established in '77, '80 and '83. You stress over how wrong this is. Others counter that these are Lucas's movies, and in the final analysis, he has every right to do whatever he wants with them. I think both of you are right to a degree. I, for one, do welcome whatever changes Lucas wants to issue. I think it IS fun to watch the originals with suped up visuals and so on. All the new creatures in Mos Eisley, the new approach into Cloud City, the herd of banthas in the desert on the way to the Sarlacc. Those are some nice touches. Great eye candy. I'm not so big on the alterations of dialog, though. "You're lucky you don't taste very good" now "You're lucky you got out of there" or something like that. "Bring my shuttle!" (I've always thought that was one of the most effective lines in TESB; James Earl Jones's delivery is superb) now "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival." Huh? That really took the punch out of the scene for me. Greedo takes a shot at Han before Han kills him. Never been able to stomach that one. Looks bizarre on camera, too. Granted, these are tiny bits and pieces which amount to essentially nothing in the big picture--though tiny bits and pieces can pile up into larger chunks if there are enough of them. But they just seem needless to me. Like they were done simply because they COULD be done, not because there was something real to be gained. Next issue: Lots of contention on whether the original versions of the classic trilogy should ever come out on DVD. I must side with those who say it should. Kind of. Not because Lucas is "raping my childhood" with the Special Editions or something. I don't really care about that. Yes, I grew up with the original versions, and I probably would miss them in the long run. But honestly, I could be just as happy watching the Special Edition versions as I could those. Perhaps even happier. Considering how often I watch any STAR WARS movie at all, it's not a big deal for me. But I think what IS important is preserving them as monuments from motion picture history. They're showcases of the state of technology from the late '70s and early '80s. This was what we could do in those days, and it was really something special at the time. I remember a recent story where some motion picture institution wanted to pay homage to each decade in film with a select movie that would represent that time period. For the '70s, they chose none other than STAR WARS. Quite an honor, I would think. But they wanted to show the original version of STAR WARS at their film festival, and Lucas refused to let them do it, stating that the only one he would allow is the Special Edition version, the one he currently holds as the definitive. I think they pulled out of the deal and used another one. The Special Edition does not exactly represent the '70s, aside from those hairstyles. No amount of tweaking could fix those. :-) This is where I have a problem with Lucas, though. Making changes to the movies is fine. I enjoy them, as do many others. But practically denying the existence of the original versions does cross a line in my opinion. I don't know if he's embarrassed by them or something, but these were the movies that made him what he is today, lousy effects and all. That was how STAR WARS appeared for 20 years, and people loved it. Color and sound were cleaned up in '95, but that's all. If for no other reason, I think the original versions should be preserved on a medium like DVD simply as part of filmmaking history. Imagine if someone wanted to take 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY and replace all the model shots with CGI? Regardless of what you personally think of the movie, and how cool CGI might look instead of models, 2001 is a classic made in an era where models were the only way to achieve those effects. For me, it's not about giving a million different versions of a movie to the public, but just keeping a record of what has been accomplished and how it was accomplished. It's about showing the progression of technology over the years. Next issue: Does George Lucas not care about his fans? Is his refusal to release the original versions on DVD an indication of that? One question that could be asked here is, is it about the fans at all? It could be said that it IS about the fans to the extent that Lucas kind of depends on them to make a success of the stories he creates. But when it comes to what is released, and how it is released, I'm tending now to think that it really is solely about Lucas. Think of how most movies are put out on home video/DVD. Separate or combined releases of widescreen and pan-and-scan. This may be a tired argument for some, but for the artists who spend all that time properly positioning each shot to make full use of the entire widescreen frame, pan-and-scan is satan. It can destroy an otherwise beautiful composition. The widescreen picture itself can speak volumes, expressing with imagery what words could not. I'm wondering if this is the issue for Lucas. The Special Editions are the closest to his original vision for what STAR WARS was supposed to be, but couldn't be back in the day. He doesn't want the originals released because they don't, and never did, reflect that. Widescreen advocates say that people who want full screen DVDs aren't respecting the filmmaker's artistic expression, that it's not the consumer's right to have widescreen/full screen options that should be honored, but the filmmaker's right to have their creation viewed the way they intended it. I ponder that, and I begin to wonder if we are disrespecting Lucas if we insist on having his movies a certain way, rather than his preferred way. I don't know. Just proposing another way to look at it.

  • Feb. 15, 2004, 12:13 a.m. CST

    SOMEONE ANSWER ME

    by MisterBlonde

    I'm confident that Lucas has filled in the story quite nicely without leaving us questions, but one I'm still DYING to know that I can't really figure out is how C-3PO doesn't recognize his home in A New Hope when Luke buys him. It is the same farm, isn't it? If it's not, how does he not recognize the Skywalker name - it's his creator. Someone please give me the answer, or at least some plausible theory.

  • Feb. 15, 2004, 11:03 a.m. CST

    now....it`s the time ...the newest SUPERMAN installment and INDY

    by drjones

    c`mon guys, watch your words!!-) don`t be too one sided. there are many many many people who love last crusade (me included). don`t declare indy4 as dead...it is really (at least not YET) as fucked up as SUPERMAN...

  • Feb. 15, 2004, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Thanks....and about that Greedo thing.....

    by MisterBlonde

    Thanks. The only idea I had for it would be some kind of "memory erase." It just seemed to easy...oh well...on to another subject. As this proves, I'm certainly not as 'educated' as some others. I just downloaded the Special Editions, and I'm watching them for the first time since seeing them in the theatres. Greedo's deal didn't piss me off that much...at least not for the reasons it pissed everyone else off. For those of you now mad because Han was changed to "defending himself" from just shooting Greedo because Han was a badass, I'm confused. It seems Han was always defending himself. He was pulling out his gun because he KNEW Greedo was going to kill him. Greedo says, "That's the idea," and Han shoots him, because he knew that's what was coming. It was simply a case of who was more prepared. Han never just killed him because he didn't like him, and the scene doesn't soften Han up at all to me...it does, however, seem unnecessary. The only thing I think anyone has a right to be pissed off about is the fact that Greedo goes to shoot Han first and misses him by like a foot and a half. Han didn't even have to tilt his head to get out of the blast! I refuse to believe that one of Jabba's thugs, even the lowliest, had aim that shitty. So keep bitching about the scene. Just bitch for the right reason.

  • Feb. 15, 2004, 10:10 p.m. CST

    The movies may be lacking, but..

    by batmasher

    The galaxy created deserves to be explored by more than its creator. Lucas needs to let go- before he dies! I am disappointed in the prequels and the changes in the special editions; but I'm more disappointed that we're only going to have 6 movies in 28 years! Fortunately Lucas has ALLOWED several (MORE talented) people to write SW books. Some are better than others but at least ten could be blockbusters. And they'd all be better than Ep I and II(if Lucas keeps his distance). And it won't be long before the frowned-upon character CGI is as good as the real thing (expect lots of actor hatred to follow), so you can have all the original characters back at whatever age you want. The first trilogy made me love the story and the characters and the galaxy; not Lucas. At least I have the books and an imagination that's better than the Billionaire directors can cinematize. I mean we could have a whole series following Rogue Squadron! Top Gun worked and it was massive cheese. The Yuuzhan(sp) Vong would kick butt on screen too. Try and PG down those guys. We have to get away from the idea that doing more and more movies dilutes the quality overall. For one thing this is not Friday 13th here people this is Star Wars. There is a huge fan base and talented people to keep that fan base satisfied for a long time to come if they are ALLOWED to do so.