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Super Bowl TROY Trailer
Hey folks, Harry here... The script for the film is tremendous (except for the last... oh 10 pages or so), and Wolfgang Petersen is no slacker. He can make as fine a film as can be made, and with this cast... the work should be astounding. I predict that by the end of this film, all of us will univerally love Eric Bana and Brad Pitt - and absolutely loathe Orlando Bloom - not because of anything other than the character he's playing. I hate his character (rightfully so) and Pitt and Bana... they're just gods amongst the bodies of men in a battle of legends. This one is going to kick a lot of ass.
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Epic stories deserve to be told. Wow.
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Lookin' forward to this. My first baby's due on May 14th. I wonder if I can postpone the birth so I can see this on the big screen?
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Feb 01, 2004 11:12:40 PM CST
Quite possibly the gayest thing I've ever seen in my life...
by wpmayhew
... which makes it perfect for the Super Bowl! Whoever decided to unveil the "Troy" TV ad campaign during the most homoerotic event of the year is a genius. Bravo, all around!
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I'M SORRY....ALL MY MEMORY CAN HOLD IS THE BREIF BUT BEAUTIFUL DELIGHT OF MISS JANET'S BOOBIE....AHHHH...SWEET SWEET BOOBIE.....And thus, little Elvis is happy! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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What a stupid set of remarks. If Petersen is so mediocre -- and he actually is -- why in the world would you want him directing Superman? Did you check your logic at the door?
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or did that look like the mummy?
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This is to Gladiator what Volcano was to Twister or Battlestar Glactica was to Star Wars...SECOND IN LINE.
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And Hector is THE MAN. The only really decent guy in the whole damn thing.
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I would say that Eric Bana has a big chance at stealing hearts in this film. I think he looks the best out of all of them, even though I know Brad Pitt is totally good-looking as Achilles. However, I suppose I'm still bummed that Jude Law was not cast as Achilles. He has the pride-thing down perfectly (imagine him pouting!) and if Achilles is supposed to represent the beauty and courage of the Greeks, then I can think of no one who is more beautiful and suited than Jude. But he's pretty much my pick for any role, so what you gonna do?, *g*. And also, because he didn't make "Troy", he was able to sign up for a bunch of other films that will surely blow us away. Such a mix of this and that, big and small roles. *sigh*, I love him. Anyway, "Troy." Yes, Paris pisses me off too. Nothing against Orlando, but ugh, Paris is one of the most selfish characters, second only to that Helen. They're meant to be I suppose. Was there a trailer for "Sky Captain"? I couldn't watch the whole Super Bowl and I'm too tired to fast-forward through my tape, *g*.
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...made money and was an excellent film.
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Brad kicks ass. Sure he's good looking, but I love when tee-hee girls rent a bunch of his flicks so they can oogle him...vomiting blood into another dude's face? sucking blood whilst looking extremely pasty? being a drunk irish boxer with the coolest tats ever? being a freaking WACKO (a dozen primates). But a personal favorite of mine is him in True Romance...with the honey bear bong...
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Gimme some Odysseus, a little Ajax, and a whole lotta hot one-titted Amazon warrior chicks.
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A movie about cgi and pretty boys. Brad Pitt....no. Eric Bana used to be good, until he ruined his career with Hulk. And dont even get me started on Orldano Bloom. Let me guess, his charchter stares and looks to the air like he needs to take a dump? Kind of like he played Will in Pirates and Legolas in LOTR? He cant act.
Plus all the lmae cgi fighting battles, make this look totally stupid. Lets face it, the new Hilary Duff trailer looked more intresting!!! And thats a bad thing. -
Don't you guys worry about him in this movie. It won't matter whether he can act well or not. Paris is a wimpering idiot and a coward and overly rash. You're supposed to find annoying and dislike him. He causes the whole bloody was after all.
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bloody war. not was.
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Frankly, after three Lord of the Rings movies, I'm getting tired of sweeping overhead shots of massive armies colliding with each other in combat.
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Fuckin' historical revisionists! A couple sanitized pg-13 epics and ready to rewrite history you are.
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"Before my time is done i will down on your corpse and smile"?
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CGI crowd shots that we see in "epic" movies are boring; they always look lame. Give me real crowd of extras/armies like in LAWRENCE OF ARABIA or ALEXANDER NEVESKY. Even the 300,000 extras in the finale of GANDHI give off more real energy than the disembody feeling I get at the latest CGI crowd scene.
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troy looks cool, ANYTHING is better than another romantic comedy. anyway,I think eric bana looks fucking badass. he seriously buffed up for this role, I think he could kick brad pitts ass up and down middle-earth. oh wait....
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Feb 02, 2004 1:14:22 AM CST
Fuck the haters. This is Wolfgang Peterson we're talking about!!
by cash bailey
This movie will bust massive amounts of ass.
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The CGI crowds look fine. Would you rather them add another $10 million the budget? Probably so, but it would be a waste of money to most people.
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The CGI crowds look fine. Would you rather them add another $10 million the budget? Probably so, but it would be a waste of money to most people.
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had to be said
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Brad Pitt is probably not the worst actor in the world, and of course he's not the best. He gets a bad rap because he's such a pretty boy, but I think he can do a good job with the right role. He was good in Legends of the Fall, and A River Runs Through it. Not Pacino good or Deniro good, but just good. And before anyone brings it up, Fight Club sucked.
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Did I miss them during halftime..or is it just a lie!
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The line delivery was horrendous. It sounded like a movie that should be aired on TNT.
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pitt is usually good despite his pretty boy image(which should have been shed completely by now, he picks good/great roles 90% of the time). wolfgang peterson has a mixed record, "das boot" is a classic sub movie and "in the line of fire" is solid. but what else has he done that's so great? "air force one"? mwahahahahaha! anyways, to the above poster who said orlando bloom is the reason(or inferred he was a big reason) for the success of "lord of the rings" and "pirates" is simply wrong. that's like saying jeff goldbloom was the reason people saw "jurassic park" and "independence day". "lotr" worked because almost everything worked out perfectly somehow. and yes, orlando was good as legolas. "pirates" worked because it was the best "indiana jones"-type adventure film since "last crusade", and yes i was counting the "mummy" films in that equation. it didn't hurt that johnny depp had a really memorable character in "pirates", either. gore verbinski has a keen visual sense too. the only thing wrong with "pirates" is that it's a bit too long. orlando did not make(or break) those films. i'll check out "troy" on video... i agree, the battle scenes with a billion people have worn out their welcome, even if it is history. i have to admit though, good god that first trailer had a lot of boats.
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Feb 02, 2004 2:03:36 AM CST
Anyone see "Chopper"?........"Troy" looks alot better than just
by nestor
Eric Bana is a blood thirsty homicidal psycho in "Chopper". Definately worth the view.
On another note, have any of you actually READ the "Illiad"? That book is the shit on so many levels. Paris is a whiny bitch yeah but whiny bitches don't start wars. -
Feb 02, 2004 3:19:48 AM CST
Is mainstrean going porno or is porno going mainstream?
by darth phallus
So we have the Pam and Tommy video, the Paris Hillton video, Jenna Jameson on E channel every five seconds, Brown Bunny-the movie where Chloe Seveigny graphically blows Vincent Gallo, and now the Janet Jackson halftime nipple. How far are we away from mainstream porn?
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..but Wolfgang Peterson hasnt made a good movie since Neverending Story. Sure some were okay (outbreak) but really, deep down we know they were all mediocre. Its sad to say but european film makers who arent directing in there own language are usually left with nothing more than a visual style and no grasp of performance or story...Renny Harlin, John Woo, Wolfgang Peterson etc. Think about it and debate.
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It wasnt even an impressive tit at that. It was a plastic filled, bleached white, flesh sack attached to a freakishly Michael Jackson looking Janet Jackson. Why does she get off scott free while people bag on michael (who is a basket case)? Troy looks good, I seem to have a love hate relationship with Pitt. Speaking of pitt if that had been mrs. Pitts boob then it might have been worth celebrating.
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The guy was like only 20 and went straight from acting school to LOTR movies. I smell jealousy, he could prove himself with upcoming movies like small drama 'Haven' and Ridley Scott's 'Kingdom Of Heaven'.
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Roman Polanski, Milos Forman, Elia Kazan, Ang Lee, Alejandro Gonazalez Innaritu, Alejandro Amenabar, Sergio Leone, Bernardo Bertolucci, Emir Kusturica, off the top of my head... whether ou whole-heartedly agree with all these choices doesn't matter, they've been deemed good or great directors of English films by the same people that have praised your native English-speakers, you xenophobic bastard. What about Mel Gibson direction The Passion, a film in Aramaic and Roman? There's your double-standard matey. That film is being hailed as the next best thing since color-tv.
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Funny how you include John Woo in your list of "european" directors... so is Hong Kong part of the E.U or are they still waiting for membership? Your sense of geography is impeccable!
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/18/wcrus18.xml&sSheet=/news2004/01/18/ixworld.html
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If this is Justin's attempt to prove that he's not gay, or a teeny bopper, then he failed miserably. Timberlake is nothing but a no talent fag, and Janet is just as much a pop attention whore as Britney! And let's not get into the no talent thugs who pass themselves as rap artists! Have they ever created an original song without sampling, or cussing over it?!? It's amazing that the only thing that most pop stars offer besides lack of talent is lack of clothing, and lack of class!! And they call this art? What nonsence!!! I think next year, Hulk Hogan should do the half time show! (I'm gonna rock your world, Brother!)
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I hope "Sir" Ridley makes the film he wants to, because it sounds like it's going to piss off a bunch of these snooty history revisionists... bunch of old wankers, it's all right to admit that Europe's history wasn't always roses and birthday cards. Mercy, can it be, the portrayal of Arabs as decent people? Lo, such blasphemy shall be smited as fire and brimstone rains down upon the Philistines!
Big George: What's a philistine?
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For all his alleged stardom..Pitt's never put himself in the firing line of having to carry a major picture alone. In Monkey's it was Willis, In Seven it was Freeman and Spacy, in Fight Club it was Norton..This is the first time his ass is on the line front and center.
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adventure/action/fantasy movie there is. literally everything! he is truly living the all boys adventure life. rings, pirates, crusades, troy ...anything i'm missing? he has learnt how to swing a sword, use a bow and arrow, ride a horse, get in bloody good shape and make a heap of cash and become an international movie star. fair play. and brad pitt was bloody fantastic in fightclub. i like that movie a lot.
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Very good Cuervo, yes, I f33r the Danaans, even when they come bearing Brad Pitt. I don't know why they didn't cast the Hulkster: "I am Jacks' smirking revenge, brother!"
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Can we get a talkback going trashing that horrible halftime show? Janet's exposure aside, it was truly wretched.
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Good "Hulk Hogan" joke D.J.!
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I thought these guys were supposed to be greek! How about a little less King Arthur and little more Zorba?
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... for the first time ever (the director's cut, that is). And I saw it was good. Plus, I have happy memories of "the neverending story". Didn't like Perfect Storm all that much, though. Still, it's Petersen, it's the Iliad, so I'm there.
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Feb 02, 2004 12:30:22 PM CST
I can't believe people are still whining about CGI crowds
by minderbinder
Sometimes they look great (lotr) and sometimes not (mummy etc). What's the alternative, actually put tens (or hundreds) of thousands of extras in armor? Even movies like Lawrence of Arabia don't have battles as big as the ones in LotR. You might as well complain that they should have actually built a full size set of Minas Tirith instead of using a model.
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Feb 02, 2004 1:28:08 PM CST
REAL Greek men are strong, proud homosexuals. What the fuck is O
by bill maher
Paris Hilton would be more realistic. Paris only wanted Helen so he could learn lipstick tips. Petersen is a gay-bashing hack who sold out the true story of the "buddy system" among the ancient Greeks for sappy hetero lovey-dovey bullshit. I'll bet that homophobic hack Oliver Stone also glosses over Alexander the Great's love of cheek-splitting. REAL Greeks are bitter homosexuals who hate Americans because we're mostly heterosexual and our armies never wore tutus. That's why Greeks CELEBRATED the 9-11 bombings. Petersen will leave all this out of Troy. Fucking hack.
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In a perfect world, Nelly, and P. Dildo would be thrown in the slammer for their acts of profanity. Unfortunately, we have a recording industry that's so pollitically correct that they have to give lowlife thugs a recording contact so that Jesse Jackson wouldn't breath down their necks with a lawsuit!! Enjoy your record sales while you can, becaue you lowlifes ain't getting my money!!!
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Fuck Pitt Bana and Bloom, I want to see fucking Sharpe kick some ass! I lost a LOT of repect for Peterson after Perfect Storm, but this looks okay. I Totally agree that the huge battle thing is getting tired, but if it fits the story and has some weight to it (i mean emotionally), then thats cool. But I hope the use of MASSIVE controlled armies dont get out of hand like they almost did with ROTK. If they do, I have a feeling the battles will end up looking like that 'Age of Mythology' game.
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There's only one explination for all this. It works the same way in entertainmenr as it dose in politics. One penis, one vote.
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Feb 02, 2004 2:31:30 PM CST
The CGI was OK, but these guys all look too clean. And the line
by fluffyunbound
Because I am STILL going to see it, even if the acting sucks. Even if everyone's hair looks blow dried. Even if no one in the Greek camp is sick or wounded. Even though the Trojan House looks like that statue Hawkeye made with tongue depressers in M*A*S*H. Why? Because it's a fucking Homeric epic, that's why. Or, at least, parts of two of them.
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I'd just like to say, even though this talk back is about Troy, which by the way I hope is a good film, that Janet Jackson's beautiful nipple is the least of our worries. As a film going public and/or a film hating public. The fact that CBS or any other major public television airs 'FOOTBALL' the most horrendous butt fucking sport either it be in Europe or America and dismiss it as only 'contact' sport is just ridiculous. I hate football. I think all sports are silly. When the head CBS guys said they were horrified by what they saw, albeait Jackson's booby it made me want to vomit with laughter. For the last three hours you had grown men running around on a field beating the fucking shit out of each other then pat-patting each other on the ass.
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Feb 02, 2004 2:58:46 PM CST
Sooo dumb...c'mon, who didn't laugh when Pitt said his line?
by maxcalifornia.
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There's a certain level of respect that some of hold to those who can actually choreograph REAL PEOPLE In REAL SITUATIONS not in a hard drive. The sight of a thousand "extras" charging through a real city in one sweeeping shot is more exciting to me than the sight of a thousand or so extras multiplied a hundred times over in a hard drive where the director sits in a room and points his finger at the monitor to tell the effects guy where he wants them placed. Its just the difference between organic and detached. I feel detached when I look at something like ROTK (however spectacular it is visually, its emotionally remote) whereas with ALEXANDER NEVSKY or LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, I'm engaged because my senses know that everything I see up there is happening in the real world. For me, the quality of a movie isn't a numbers game (my crowds are bigger than yours mentality), though for some people it perhaps is.
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Bitch about fucking Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. How many movies have they fucked up with their non-charisma? If it wasn't for "Good Will Hunting"'s screenplay Oscar, we wouldn't have had to watch these lame-O's ever again.
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This commercial shows the vast influence the Lord of the Rings trilogy has had on epic filmmaking. And I think the effects looked a little sub-par compared to ROTK. Looks cool otherwise though. I wanna see more clips of Brendan Gleeson, dammit! Best and Worst of 2003 at www.rockithardcore.com
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Feb 02, 2004 3:47:01 PM CST
No, Hardcore Wanker, it shows how LOTR ripped off sword & sandal
by bill maher
Next time you start pulling things out of your ass, try not to let the 12-sided dice fall out. www.wankithardcore.com
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Feb 02, 2004 3:50:20 PM CST
Anyone who bashes FOOTBALL is a communist, tree-hugging fag.
by bill maher
Football is a sport for the red-blooded American male. Any sport in which participants get concussions on a regular basis rules.
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Dammit.
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you kids on this board don't do a very good job of masking your resentments. sure brad pitt and orlando bloom aren't the best actors in the world. but both (especially pitt) are very, very good actors, and to call them "complete crap" and rattle off falsities like "brad pitt doesn't have much to show for in the box office" is such an obvious case of denial it's pathetic. most of male america can deal with a good-looking lead as long as there's something exciting about the movie. the sad thing is that so many fanboys seem to be unable to enjoy a cruise or pitt movie because jenny from the 10th grade likes them, and damn it, she was MEANT to be with you, why, she just said hi to you two weeks ago. boys: no, you're not as attractive as orlando bloom, brad pitt, tom cruise, or pretty much anyone in hollywood. yes, that's OK. just take that biting wit that you've so expertly sharpened on AICN talkbacks and try using it in conversation with a real person.
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Feb 02, 2004 4:35:59 PM CST
I wasn't as shocked seeing Jackon's tit mostly due to the fact t
by big bad clone
It was pretty odd. I lived in New Orleans before so I used to the Mardi Gras crowds and thats what we we had here during the weekend. It was just a wierd sight to see here in Houston. Just a while ago, there were nothing but homeless people and skaters downtown after dark. During the weekend we had sports celebs hanging off the balcony of the old Rice Hotel (the last place JFK ever spent the night), JLo closing the Galleria, Boston fans fighting in the streets, and Noth Carolinians walking around all wide eyed "Oh, my we don't have anything like this in Charolette" Shit, we're normally boring as shit.
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Feb 02, 2004 4:37:58 PM CST
ben affleck is not included in the above statement. he actually
by perryfarrell
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Feb 02, 2004 4:38:49 PM CST
I don't mind seeing Bloom as Paris since I know Paris gets fucke
by big bad clone
Legalos v. Dr. Banner and the guy getting high on a couch in True Romance? Hmmm.... Who's 006 playing?
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Feb 02, 2004 4:47:30 PM CST
"There's a certain level of respect that some of hold to those w
by minderbinder
So I guess you weren't paying attention since the LotR movies DO have shots with thousands of extras? (There are some that I assumed were faked until I found out otherwise) I'll ask again, what scene of Lawrence of Arabia has thousands of men engaged in battle? Tell us, how SHOULD PJ have done the huge battle scenes? Should he have hired two hundred thousand extras and fitted them with armor and coreographed them all fighting? Or should he have just scaled down the battles from the huge ones in the book to much smaller ones? "I'm engaged because my senses know that everything I see up there is happening in the real world." Hate to break it to you but even LoA had some FX in it. In virtually every movie you're going to see things that are faked in one way or another (often out of necessity), if you can only enjoy visuals that you only know are happening for real I feel sorry for you, there are many great movies you're going to miss out on.
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eliminate large-scale battles completely, and replace them with single dancers meant to symbolically portray entire armies, depicting the tide of the battle with their graceful jumps and twists.
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and why to TB's always end with some statement like "i feel sorry for you"? as if that final sentence will cement your undisputed superiority over whomever the subject of your post may be.... not only are they wrong, they're so wrong, and you're so great, you feel sorry for them!! i know i never post on these boards but i read them a little bit each day and hold my thoughts on most TBers. and when i do post, sure i'll tell someone if i think they're wrong, maybe even make fun of them a little, but i bear no empathy for them. sigh.... i feel sorry for you all.
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I want to officially dub him no-talent-pretty-boy but won't judge him til he has to do some real acting. I think he's up for the lead in the new Cameron Crowe flick. Of course then he'll just have to handle excruciating corniness & his character making way too many references to rock-n-roll music. Forget it, I'll just call him no-talent-pretty-boy.
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Feb 02, 2004 5:39:16 PM CST
... although it would be fascinating to see how orlando handles
by perryfarrell
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Yeah, it's true. He's like a non-comedic Jim Carey--a brave actor who takes chances by starring in creatively-interesting movies. The only problem that people seem to overlook is, his acting sucks in all of them. Actually, that's not completely fair. Pitt is slightly better than Jim Carey in that regard.
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so brad pitt's a sucky actor because he sucks at acting. if only our nation's politicians had such well thought-out arguments, we'd really have something here.
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My comment wasn't because he didn't like a particfular movie (which I HATE when people say that), but because he said he can't enjoy ANY movie where he knows he's watching FX instead of things Really Happening. That eliminates a ton of movies and I do feel bad for someone with that much lack of imagination.
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do you really? do you truly, honestly feel bad for him, or is that what your PR guy told you to say? shhh... it's ok, i know you can't answer that. it'll be our little secret. teehee!
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Troy looks pretty cool, but check out my website: totally unrelated. http://www.geocities.com/pageiv71/Michigan_Partisan.html
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And I don't know what the hell you're going on about with that "pr guy" nonsense.
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That doesn't mean that a movie about the Trojan War should look like a Clairol commercial. Throw some shit on these guys. Maybe a bucket of rain water and pee. Make them use olive oil as soap for three weeks. Do SOMETHING, or we might end up with the TNT "Caesar" on our hands. But the CGI battles look awesome, and we owe it to this movie to give it a fair shake, even if Brad's hair looks too damn good.
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No big whoop.
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Sean Bean as Odysseus!!!
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seriously, if you are going to post a link to a website and proclaim it as good and it's crap then expect people to have a go. their should be a new word for internet websites like yours: "wanksites" . cybermasturbation.
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"Are you not entertained by the all singing, all dancing crap of the world??"
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brave heart and gladiator were also RATED R MOVIES. it was ok for those movies to use more real actors and have close ups of hacking. one of the reasons pj HAD to use cgi is because he had to keep the action far away as to not show many humans/elves getting slaughtered so that the rating could remain pg 13. if you notice, whenever the mass combat in lotr gets close, there are LOTS of fast edits as to not show too much violence, so pj pulls back using cgi to fill them in, so why don't YOU stop talking out of your ass buddy. lotr's battles were far more convincing than the ones in braveheart/gladiator because of the storytelling.
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The most inaccurate thing about the the battles in Gladiator and Braveheart (both films I enjoy) is that they break formation as soon as they hit the enemy line-what's the point? As least PJ's battles make military sense...(assuming you are fighting orcs etc...:)
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It just wasnt that impressive to be called EPIC. It felt emotionally dry.
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to do a proper job, PJ should have had real people in Orc costumes getting trampled over by galloping horses, some of whom would realistically fall over and break their necks? The reason that charge of cavalry looks a bit fake with the horsemen unimpeded by the Orcs is BECAUSE PJ chose to go with footage of real extras on horses. To get the horses really impacting with and trampling over the Orcs, the WHOLE scene would have to have been CGI. So, in this case, the reason the shot looked unrealistic to you was because of the use of live-action footage where CGI would have not suffered the same problem (see the overhead wideshot that follows it, where Massive-driven Riders of Rohan start to get bogged down fighting the Massive-driven Orcs as the momentum of the charge begins to run out). Seriously, would you rather have the (to my mind great-looking) shot as it is, where yes, if you focus on individual riders they fail to correctly impact with Orcs, but at least most of the shot is real, or a totally CG shot? There was no way that shot could be achieved completely with all live action, but PJ went for as little CGI as possible in it, for better or worse. ------- Oh, and PerryFarrell, you are hilarious fella, that suggestion for how to symbolise battles with dance really cracked me up. :)
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Feb 03, 2004 7:47:59 AM CST
The five minutes of time before the Gladiator battle are great.
by fluffyunbound
The battle itself sucks. Remember the "Superdog" scene? Please. And for an R-rated movie, there was an awful lot of "Oh here comes someone with a pilus - oh cut to another shot. Oh well." Gladiator's opening battle and its gladiator matches basically inflicted shaky-cam and cut-away-before-the-resolution cam on us for the next 5 years, because everyone wanted to imitate them. I still think Gladiator is a great film, but it's weird that you can spend that kind of money on a movie and have the best parts ALL be "Russell Crowe talking or thinking". Please note that I speak no ill of Braveheart. Carry on.
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The rating constriction keeps PJ from using too many close up violent scenes, and even when he does use them they sometimes look a bit odd because he has to do without much in the way of blood. Having said all that, for every big CGI filled mass army battle scene in LOTR, there is a smaller, more personal and visceral, all-real (or almost) battle scene for people such as yourself who aren't blown away by the huge CGI battles. For every Prologue-of-FOTR massive battle, there's a just-the-Fellowship-fighting-Uruk-Hai battle at the end of the film. For every Helm's Deep (although I'd argue there's more small-scale live-action shots in that than sweeping CGI shots), there's a Faramir and his Rangers take out a company of live-action (excluding two Oliphaunts, of course) Haradrim with longbows. For every Pelennor Fields there's an all-real night-attack on Osgiliath. You may say the huge, CGI-filled battles from LOTR aren't engaging, but they seem to be the battles you are remembering, instead of the smaller scale, all-live-action battles that are just as present in the films.
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FYI, for LotR they used five thousand extras and a hundred horses for the battle scenes. If you think it's all CGI you need to get your eyes checked. I completely agree that it would have been great if these movies could have been R with violent battles, but there is no possible way that would have happened. With a movie like Braveheart, you an afford to make it R because the movie costs far less to make (for many reasons). And Gladiator didn't start the shakycam trend, Ridley got the idea from Saving Private Ryan. I'll ask the question again since it hasn't been answered: if CGI is a no-no for huge battles, what's the "right" way to film two hundred thousand soldiers fighting?
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1. Is there a list somewhere of the actors playing all of the heroes included in the story, and 2. Are there going to be gods and goddesses in the film or are they playing it as a "historical" film with no divine characters? Thanks.
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hey that was kind of clever...nevermind.
Anyways, dude you sound like some of my favvvorite people from way back in high school! (there should be a sarcasm key) I'm not gonna take anything you say seriously while you keep going on about people needing to get laid, blah blah oh yeah "get catch some rays" will that make me cool?? Ooh I hope so! Cause I always wanted to be COOL. btw, I loved the Last Samurai...but did you forget about a certain shot in the final battle with a certain (MASSIVE) program running that had OBVIOUS CGI soldiers?? PJ used CGI to it's potential, and balanced it perfectly with small emotional moments. You want someone who squanders and masturbates using CGI? Go knock on Lucas's door. -
Well, the scene where the Arabs attack the city of Aqaba, for one. But I'm not going to engage in a numbers game, as I feel movies are more important than that. Obviously, you mistook my criticism of crowd CGI in general as a slam on your precious LOTR. You're the person I feel sorry for (well, not really) because you can't accept that other are of different thinking and leave it at that ( I actually think I commended ROTK on its visuals, I just felt disengaged from them because it bordered on CGI pornography -- oops, sorry, minder, I hit another sore spot, didn't I?). My imagination works just fine. How funny is it that somebody is criticized for their lack of imagination when he says he feel disengaged from an obivious special effect. I love special effects. I loved MASTER AND COMMANDER because most of the time I didn't realize I was watching an effect. I love BLADE RUNNER because the effects are elegant and beautiful. I don't know what Peter Jackson could have done. Hired all those extras? Who knows? I have a life. I don't sit around worrying about what Peter Jackson would do. Obviously, it's the focuse of your life. (And, oh, maybe you should try watching LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, at least again, before you diss it. But I guess there weren't enough extras in it for you.)
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You seem to have a thing for numbers, so why not check out GANDHI, where they had 300,000 extras for the finale, or Sergei Bondarchuk's WAR AND PEACE where the entire Russian army was commanded as extras. So you see, it's possible.
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hey asshole, lose the attitude against Lawrence of Arabia, ok kid? it makes you look really stupid when you sit and actually try to compare the LOTR films, which are trendy pop culture bullshit, to an already established classic. LOTR's box office, and trendy praise is nothing. in 20 years, no one will no what the fuck you're talking about when you say "The Lord of the Rings" movies, unless by then someone else has made them "correctly".
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Feb 03, 2004 12:55:43 PM CST
"How funny is it that somebody is criticized for their lack of i
by minderbinder
You said you can't accept something you know is an effect. I guess you're backtracking? I'm not surprised, your previous statement did make you look pretty foolish. "I'm not going to engage in a numbers game" Well you already have, you've repeatedly listed Ghandi simply because it has impressive statistics. I don't know why that's a relevant comparison to LotR anyway since it's not a battle scene. "I don't know what Peter Jackson could have done. Hired all those extras?" My point is simply that you can't fault someone for failing to do something that's impossible. And something that has never been done by anyone in the history of movies. If David Lean were given the task of shooting battles like these in 2003, how would he have done it? "I don't sit around worrying about what Peter Jackson would do. Obviously, it's the focuse of your life." Hang on one second - you and I are having a discussion. You obviously ARE worrying about it, since you took the time to post about it on a mesage board. And since you started this whole discussion and have posted about it at least as much as I have, how exactly do you figure that "it's the focuse [sic] of my life?
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i feel in a "trolling" type mood today.
anyway, as for this Super Bowl "incident", i just love how you fuck-up nerdlings sit back and pretend to not jack off regularly to the thought of Janet's tits. and this anger you all demonstrate toward Justin Timberlake is based not entirely on the fact that he is indeed a talentless jackass, which he is, but also on the fact that you all must accept that he nailed Britney, probably several times, and almost certainly unloaded on her face violently. this coupled with the fact that now he has grabbed Janet's right fun bag has put you grubby little shits in a rage to which not even another Peter Jackson shit-fest could distract. -
Feb 03, 2004 12:59:32 PM CST
"lose the attitude against Lawrence of Arabia" What the fuck ar
by minderbinder
I agree that it's a stupid comparison, your bitching is better directed at Renata, the one who brought it up.
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i said i was in a "trolling" mood. i had hoped that made clear the deliberate sillyness that i was posting.
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I think that tit was CGI.
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I am still laughing about that tit being CGI....how many people would complain if you had a battle with 50 thousand cgi black titties? (insert obligatory jock joke about fanboys not actually ever seeing a titty...so they wouldn't know they were fake...blah)
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first of all, to make specific insults on an anonymous post board against someone you don't even know. catch some rays? she-ra poster? 5 dollars to get laid? I'm not a tolkein fanatic either, I only just read the books for the first time a few months ago, and just finished ROTK a week or two ago, and I don't care much for em.you don't have a clue about me son, take your hands off your own cock, take the one outta of your ass, and listen up bitch. Legolas can climb arrows because elves can make themselvs weightless, hence the reason he was walking on snow in the first movie. second, have you ever stood in front of an armoured fucking hourse running 40 miles an hour,asswipe? no you haven't. it would be equivelent to being hit by a fucking car you retard, the physics were fine, thats what the program "massing" is there for. and if you'd actually read my post, I NEVER said you can't use real extras in a pg 13 movie you a.d.d having mother fucker, I said they used fast editing on the close ups to avoid violence for rating purposes, and panned out with cgi to fill them in. so anyway, it seems there are plenty of other people making you look stupid, so I no longer have to do it, take your 5 bucks back to buy an air pump for your blow up doll, and buy her a rose for valentines day. and yeah, I'll say hello to your family of imigrants at mcdonalds when I go back for my bigmack, fucking cocknobber.
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Feb 03, 2004 8:41:22 PM CST
oh and for the people who keep confusing my name with lotr.
by bourne greyelf
listen, I'm not some fucking lotr nerd. I love the movies to death, but c'mon people, I'm tired of, "hey greyelf, you play dnd, your a tolkein freak cuz your name." I love GreyElves, thats it, and I like mixing names of movies I like with the Greyelf thing.( I can't wait to use GREYELF: AND THE WORLD OF TOMARROW!)
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back at the o'l lotr bashing thing eh? cool on you, this place needs people to rile things up, I just hate handycaps like "mynameisfaggot".
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Feb 03, 2004 8:51:53 PM CST
I always see Lawrence of arabia on dvd at the store...
by bourne greyelf
and I always wonder if I should buy it. is it really that good?
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I wish I could post intellegent, troll-less posts like yours. seriously, I feel I always have to add trolling because someone else trolled me. I only realize afterwards, that trolling seriously makes the post lose credibility. trolling movies isn't bad, thats just a persons opinion, but trolling people is pretty dumb. anyway, I have a question, why exactly do elves leave middle-earth? I read the books and it really wasn't explained, and the movies don't explain at all(yes, I've seen the extended editions too).
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just wanted to post again.
I'm toying around with "Grey-Elfsing" or "Hell(boy)Elf". hmm... -
Now that would at least produce an intentional laugh... aww come oooonnnnn don't you want it?... get rid of that CGI stuff and let that Aardman guy that does Wallace and Gromit do it... that would be funny as poo-poo.. PS. Eric Bana was great in "Chopper", but miscast in HULK (I don't blame him.. I would have done it too for the paycheck).. Chopper was good though.. haven't seen it?... get it, watch it.. wrap it up in foil... bury it... watch it 12 months later.. You won't be disappointed...
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I'd like to see eric Bana with a smoke hanging from his lips and his eyes squintin' at the smoke Clint Eastwood style, as he flicks the butt to the ground stamps that shit with his sandle and says "Beethoven had his critics too, Achilles.. lets see if you can name one..."....
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yes, Lawrence of Arabia is that good. but, its an older epic, so don't expect the same kind of pacing, or effects (obviously) as the LOTR shitfests, er, i mean films.
as for why the elves leave Middle Earth, it is because they were "movin' on up, to the east side" just like the Jeffersons.
ba dum dum. take my wife, please. -
oh don't worry, I don't judge movies by the sfx, or anything, I'm a storytelling kinda guy. but most importantly, a movie has to have awesome characters. I think Lawrence looks like a badass on the new dvd cover, so i'm always tempted to pick it up.
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